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  • [03:25:18] <qqqq> hi guys, any help available for porting --> beagleboard rev c3 ? need some clarifications =s
  • [03:26:21] <vagrantc> no promises, but it's easier to clarify an asked question than an unasked one
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  • [03:29:20] <qqqq> its ok, just need a little guide or so =s . am tasked to do a project, and given the beagleboard rev c3 . online references of beagleboard to android is mainly the beagleboard-xm or the later versions . even with the prebuilt image i cant seem to boot up on the beagleboard . does it even support android? or the prebuilt image still need configurations?
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  • [03:51:38] <qqqq> hihi, any help with porting android to beagleboard ~~ omap35x
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  • [06:15:55] <sathish> Hi,, anyone help me to start with Beaglebone black board.. how to access the gpio pins in various modes?
  • [06:21:46] <Dr{Who}> sathish: did you look at the nodejs examples already?
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  • [06:30:24] <sathish> No.. i didn't look.. can you pls explain.. any software needed?
  • [06:34:03] <Dr{Who}> when you power up your bbb. access via web page. READ READ And read some more :) play with live samples and then look at the live code.
  • [06:36:57] <sathish> ok.. thank you.. Can i use this board as a microcontroller havin all perpheral devices like i2c, ethernet etc.. ?
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  • [06:39:42] <Dr{Who}> does anyone know if WDIOC_SETTIMEOUT with /dev/watchdog works on stock A5 firmware? I dont have a way to test right now :( but want to confirm the wd works properly.
  • [06:40:23] <Dr{Who}> sathish: that is documented well in the GPIO docs. Lots and lots of pins with lots of modes.
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  • [06:45:09] <sathish> yes.. i saw that.. my doubt is how to access those pins for programming..
  • [06:45:22] <Dr{Who}> sathish: preferred language?
  • [06:47:09] <Dr{Who}> sathish: the blinking LED example is live example of GPIO control using node.js. The LED's are standard GPIO pins.
  • [06:47:57] <_av500_> https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+gpio+user+space
  • [06:52:42] <Dr{Who}> _av500_: I just dont grok. I think that was the first thing I did when I got mine. And I did not have to look any place but the device itself. Just all around solid stuff this BBB :)
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  • [06:53:39] <Dr{Who}> sathish: ya read that link :).. anyway.. anyone have any exp with watchdog on the bbb?
  • [06:57:18] <sathish> yes.. if i need to use the GPIO pins as a analog inputs or for SPI or I2C, how to do that?.. how to access various modes of the gpio pins
  • [06:58:05] <Dr{Who}> _av500_: any chance you could compile and test this http://embeddedfreak.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/howto-use-linux-watchdog/ and the 'interval' setting.
  • [07:03:46] <sathish> is there any other links(like the last one) for any peripheral interfacing like simple microcontroller..
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  • [07:09:03] <_av500_> Dr{Who}: is there a dev/watchdog?
  • [07:09:06] <_av500_> on BBB?
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  • [07:15:18] <sathish> for example i need to connect a temperature sensor on the analog input pins of the BBB connector.. how to get the analog values & process them to display as a temp?..
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  • [07:15:50] <beagle13> can anyone please guide me on how to connect to your windows machine via bluetooth from beaglebone
  • [07:15:52] <Dr{Who}> _av500_: should be.. hmm brb.
  • [07:16:28] <Dr{Who}> _av500_: i have one on Angstrom 2012.12
  • [07:19:09] <LetoThe2nd> sathish: reading analog values: http://hipstercircuits.com/reading-analog-adc-values-on-beaglebone-black/
  • [07:19:11] <beagle13> sathish: one option is you can use i2c tools utility
  • [07:19:22] <LetoThe2nd> sathish: (5 seconds google)
  • [07:19:41] <Dr{Who}> LetoThe2nd: hay :) i was just reading that :)
  • [07:19:51] <LetoThe2nd> sathish: aligning them to temperature is your own job, as its highly sensor/circuitry dependent
  • [07:21:01] <sathish> I am asking the procedure to read the analog values from BBB..
  • [07:21:15] <LetoThe2nd> sathish: i gave you.
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  • [07:26:25] <sathish> tat is setting directions know..
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  • [07:28:12] <sathish> there are different modes of operations of the pins from mode0 to mode7.. how to access that in windows machine..
  • [07:28:23] <_av500_> windows?
  • [07:28:35] <sathish> yes
  • [07:28:41] <Dr{Who}> I continue to not grok :)
  • [07:29:16] <Dr{Who}> I think people are confusing the BBB with a LabJack
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  • [07:32:00] <sathish> means?
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  • [08:09:17] <zer0s> lol Dr{Wh0}
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  • [08:10:26] <zer0s> thats a little depressing
  • [08:10:57] <zer0s> but then again raspberry pi has been monopolizing any media attention
  • [08:11:20] <zer0s> beagleboard was sort of a me-two project from ti
  • [08:11:32] <zer0s> or at least that's how i perceived it
  • [08:12:02] <rektide> n/win 109
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  • [08:14:26] <_av500_> zer0s: a me too started years earlier, yes
  • [08:15:15] <zer0s> _av500_, whoever is first to market is first
  • [08:15:31] <zer0s> doesn't matter when they start
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  • [08:33:44] <KotH> zer0s: well, they were on the market..uhm. 3 years earlier or so?
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  • [10:19:21] <Kernle> Heyho... question of the day - how do I get a serial connection to my BBB?
  • [10:20:25] <KotH> to the console?
  • [10:20:28] <KotH> or in general?
  • [10:20:43] <Kernle> in generel. I need to find out why it won't boot
  • [10:21:28] <Kernle> I tried minicom -D /dev/`dmesg | grep FTDI | grep "now attached to" | tail -n 1 | awk '{ print $NF }'` (from the rowboat wiki) but that didn't do anything.
  • [10:22:32] <tbr> Kernle: do you have a connection to the UART port or only to USB?
  • [10:22:54] <Kernle> only USB
  • [10:23:35] <tbr> then the answer is: you don't
  • [10:23:36] <KotH> get an usb2serial cable with 3.3V level
  • [10:23:42] <KotH> connect it to J1
  • [10:24:03] <Kernle> Nah... Well, my paper is due in 1 1/2 hours. So probably not :D
  • [10:24:09] <Kernle> Thanks anyway :)
  • [10:24:18] <KotH> Kernle: then send some new cell phone to .fi and good chocolate to .ch
  • [10:24:41] <Kernle> KotH: ?
  • [10:25:12] <KotH> Kernle: tbr collects cell phones, i collect chocolate :)
  • [10:25:37] <Kernle> Ah, you sit in ch? Cool :P
  • [10:26:19] <tbr> :)
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  • [10:26:33] <tbr> I just got a Jolla phone, I'm happy for the moment
  • [10:28:20] <Kernle> KotH: Where in ch? I'm in ch for 3 months starting january ;-)
  • [10:28:41] <KotH> Kernle: in the big village called z?rich
  • [10:29:00] <ynezz> such a boring place
  • [10:29:29] <Kernle> KotH: I'll be in Luzern :D
  • [10:30:55] <KotH> Kernle: why luzern?
  • [10:31:02] <KotH> ynezz: why boring?
  • [10:31:06] <KotH> ynezz: ever been here?
  • [10:32:11] <ynezz> yep
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  • [10:34:24] <Kernle> KotH: Because one of my customers (I'm a freelancer web and app developer) sits there, and has offered my an internship ;-)
  • [10:34:44] <Kernle> Lucky, i need a 3 month internship for my uni :)
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  • [10:35:45] <KotH> Kernle: dont forget your arctic class winter gear
  • [10:35:52] <KotH> Kernle: .ch is a lot colder than .de
  • [10:36:00] <Kernle> KotH: Yeah, I fear so :S
  • [10:36:01] <KotH> Kernle: and you are in one of the colder places in .ch too
  • [10:36:11] <KotH> also expect snow
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  • [10:36:44] <Kernle> We didn't have snow in like 5 years where I live in germany (no kidding). So I'm actually towards this :D
  • [10:37:01] <KotH> where in .de?
  • [10:37:54] <Kernle> Around 45min by car from cologne
  • [10:38:14] <KotH> lol
  • [10:38:24] <KotH> expect _REAL_WINTER_!
  • [10:38:36] <Kernle> Oh boy... if you thought Android on BBB was bad... don't try ANdroid on RaPi :S
  • [10:38:44] <Kernle> Will do, thanks KotH ;-)
  • [10:38:54] <KotH> also expect seeing people walking around in t-shirt and shorts in deep winter... casualy
  • [10:38:58] <av500> so, Android is just bad
  • [10:41:06] <Kernle> av500: You don't happen to have a brother called nexsoftware in #libgdx?
  • [10:45:01] <KotH> Kernle: av500 doesnt need a brother, he is the size of 3 people already
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  • [10:45:38] <Kernle> KotH: tbr: Any other guess why my image won't boot? I don't want to give this much tought anymore, but it somewhat bothers me.
  • [10:45:43] <KotH> Kernle: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/87
  • [10:45:54] <KotH> Kernle: gremmlins
  • [10:45:58] <Kernle> :S
  • [10:46:44] <tbr> Kernle: solar flares
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  • [10:46:48] <Kernle> Or let me reframe that... what does the BBB want to tell me besides "you suck" when it flashes its LEDs, and then turns tehm all off?
  • [10:47:51] * KotH doestn know, doesnt own a bbb
  • [10:48:04] <Kernle> :(
  • [10:48:07] <tbr> something went wrong before kernel boots
  • [10:48:16] <tbr> ROMBL, MLO, U-Boot
  • [10:48:25] <Kernle> That sucks then
  • [10:49:28] <Kernle> There isn't much that could have gone wrong here :/ https://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/JellybeanOnBeaglebone_WithSGX#Build_Boot_Loader_%28MLO/u-boot%29
  • [10:50:05] <keesj> "I'm stil there"
  • [10:50:13] <KotH> Kernle: there is a lot that can go wrong
  • [10:50:33] <Kernle> :/
  • [10:50:46] <KotH> like that pesky msp430 board i have on my table that refuses to talk to me over JTAG although i havent touched the whole setup in 3 months
  • [10:51:06] <av500> Kernle: what does the serial log say?
  • [10:52:32] <KotH> av500: he doesnt have a usb2serial cable
  • [10:52:38] * Kernle slaps av500 with a serial log
  • [10:52:51] <KotH> Kernle: carefull!
  • [10:53:01] <KotH> Kernle: do you see that @ infront of av500?
  • [10:53:18] <KotH> Kernle: it's a big sign of "do not mess with me"
  • [10:53:30] <Kernle> Challenge accepted
  • [10:53:31] <KotH> Kernle: or "my dady beats your dady"
  • [10:53:45] <av500> no serial cable?
  • [10:53:47] <av500> too bad
  • [10:53:58] <av500> why is he not in the shop to buy one?
  • [10:54:01] <KotH> av500: and report due in 1h
  • [10:54:10] <KotH> lazy students are lazy
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  • [11:30:06] <Vaizki_> urf
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  • [11:56:23] <Kernle> Duh.... the RaPi is taking its time executing the 0xbench.... GPU support wheater or not, die BBB is a lot faster even without it.
  • [11:56:38] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [11:56:41] <ogra_> lol
  • [11:56:48] <Crofton|work> very very true :)
  • [12:03:37] <ynezz> do you play correct 0xbench.mp4 with correct license key?
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  • [12:09:54] <kbfirebreather> Hello everybody, I was hoping to get a little bit of input on the various beagle boards
  • [12:10:14] <kbfirebreather> I'm a little confused about the capabilities on each of the variations
  • [12:10:41] <kbfirebreather> particularly between the BeagleBoard and the BeagleBoard-xM
  • [12:11:03] <kbfirebreather> Can you get S-Video out of the BeagleBoard?
  • [12:11:06] <kbfirebreather> or NTSC
  • [12:11:32] <kbfirebreather> It looks like the xM has no problem with that, but I'm not quite sure about the non xM
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  • [12:14:14] <KotH> Kernle: you know that your report will be very unpopular?
  • [12:15:10] <kbfirebreather> Nevermind, I think I found my answer
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  • [12:16:13] <KotH> kbfirebreather: yes, read the documentations on each of them
  • [12:16:31] <KotH> kbfirebreather: it's not easy to compare them if you've never done something like this before
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  • [12:16:52] <Kernle> KotH: Yep
  • [12:17:36] <KotH> Kernle: use something neutral as title, or something that makes the rpi look good
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  • [12:21:07] <KotH> Kernle: do you have anything that the rpi is good at?
  • [12:21:53] <KotH> Kernle: if you have use that... like "rpi better at getting peoples money than the bbb"
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  • [12:30:31] <kbfirebreather> With the beagleboard, the manual states that the RS232 Transceiver allows operation from 3 to 5.5V. Looking at the Interface Design on Page 90 of the Spec it looks like the RS232 at the connector will always be 5 Volts, but internally the BeagleBoard uses 3V signal
  • [12:30:56] <kbfirebreather> Am I accurate in that statement?
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  • [12:31:10] <av500> internally its 1.8V
  • [12:31:16] <kbfirebreather> Oh right
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  • [12:31:22] <av500> the beagleboard has a level shifter from 1.8 to 5V
  • [12:31:24] <av500> or so
  • [12:31:51] <kbfirebreather> So the 5V gets converted to 3V via the SN65C... then level shifted down to 1.8 via TXS0102 chip
  • [12:31:56] <Vaizki_> hmh?
  • [12:32:09] <Vaizki_> first of all it's not rs232 but ttl serial?
  • [12:32:18] <kbfirebreather> ??
  • [12:32:26] <Vaizki_> oh sorry no
  • [12:32:27] <kbfirebreather> It's labeled as RS232
  • [12:32:29] <Vaizki_> my bad
  • [12:32:37] <Vaizki_> beagleboard, not beaglebone
  • [12:32:58] <Vaizki_> it's 6:32am and I just woke up :D
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  • [12:35:05] <av500> kbfirebreather: yes
  • [12:35:20] <av500> 1.8 to 3.3V then to RS232
  • [12:35:59] <av500> dont know the RS232 level
  • [12:36:46] <KotH> +/- some voltage
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  • [12:36:52] <KotH> at least 3, usually 5 at most 18
  • [12:37:04] <av500> 12!
  • [12:37:12] <KotH> 12 was in the 60s
  • [12:37:22] <KotH> i havent seen a device that did 12v in a long time
  • [12:37:27] <av500> yes, use same voltage for tube heaters :)
  • [12:37:28] <KotH> most do 5V these days
  • [12:37:32] <KotH> heh
  • [12:37:48] <KotH> av500: did you ever have a tube version of a MAX232? ;)
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  • [12:38:00] <tbr> that could look funny
  • [12:38:18] <av500> KotH: I should build one
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  • [12:39:20] <av500> well, you only need a tube opamp and drive it rail to rail
  • [12:40:31] <LetoThe2nd> av500: tubie on rails?
  • [12:40:38] <av500> yeah
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  • [12:42:01] <KotH> av500: webserver build out of tubes?
  • [12:44:39] <av500> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K2-w_Vacuum_Tube_Op-amp.jpg
  • [12:45:47] <mdp> it would be a nice cape
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  • [12:46:09] <av500> RS232 tube cape
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  • [12:46:34] <ogra_> there is also a clock cape http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Bruegmann-Digital-Roehren-Clock/Digital-Roehrenuhr.htm
  • [12:46:36] <ogra_> :)
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  • [12:48:09] <KotH> av500: hmm.. only two tubes?
  • [12:48:19] <KotH> av500: any circuit of it available?
  • [12:48:21] <ogra_> thats enough
  • [12:48:35] * ogra_ has seen pre-amps with just one tube
  • [12:48:44] <KotH> yeah, i guess it's pentodes or something similar
  • [12:49:06] <ogra_> (though the ones i know flip the phase) ...
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  • [12:49:24] <rob_w> omg @ogra clock
  • [12:49:39] <ogra_> awesome, isnt it :)
  • [12:49:46] <ogra_> fully digital ...
  • [12:50:21] <av500> KotH: yes
  • [12:50:49] <av500> http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_3/chpt_8/14.html
  • [12:51:06] <av500> one LTP and an output driver
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  • [12:54:52] <mdp> ogra_, get the BOM for that <30USD and CCO will produce it ;)
  • [12:55:54] <av500> ogra_: kalotte oder konus?
  • [12:56:12] <ogra_> hmm ?
  • [12:56:34] <av500> tweeter replacement for a '72 speaker
  • [12:56:44] <ogra_> kalotte
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  • [12:57:37] * ogra_ is B??ndchen fan though ... Hannoveraner ... grown up with Quadral speakers everywhere
  • [12:58:04] <av500> cone would be more authentic
  • [12:58:21] <av500> but first I need to put new caps into the xover
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  • [12:59:10] <Rotti> hi!
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  • [13:23:25] <Vaizki_> ok wtf that nixie clock :)
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  • [13:26:45] <Vaizki_> I wonder what the power draw of that clock is
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  • [13:30:23] <KotH> av500: nice, simple and straight forward
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  • [13:43:44] <Kernle> KotH: The paper won't be submitted to the public. And that is a good thing. The report is limited to 5 pages. And there is NO WAY to put all the knowledge I've gained working with both plattforms into 5 pages.
  • [13:44:06] <Kernle> I even had to omit certain benchmark results, since I was hitten the page limit -.-
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  • [13:44:51] <Kernle> The most informative testcase was the Android Testcase. That worked surprisingly good on both plattforms. Altough much better on BBB - even without hardware acceleration.
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  • [13:47:36] <gliako> hi all
  • [13:48:36] <gliako> is there anyone available to direct me with some basic instructions on how to cross compile a kernel module for beaglebone black?
  • [13:51:00] <KotH> Kernle: write a 20 page paper and put it on archix
  • [13:51:19] <KotH> gliako: there are dozens of tutorials online
  • [13:52:24] <gliako> i know, ifound many and follow many but none of them works
  • [13:52:34] <gliako> all of them are different
  • [13:52:53] <KotH> they look different, but under the hood they are the same
  • [13:52:57] <KotH> what's your problem
  • [13:53:01] <gliako> boot from Sd or not, different kernel, different patches, different source trees
  • [13:53:08] <gliako> I AM LOST
  • [13:53:11] <KotH> lol
  • [13:53:24] <gliako> Let me be brief and not boring
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  • [13:53:26] <KotH> welcome to the brave new world of embedded systems, where even the engineers who build it are lost
  • [13:53:27] <Kernle> KotH: I don't know. Will do maybe. But first I have to complete another paper I'm currently working on. And that one is an important 25 page beast about shadow calculation in modern games ;-P
  • [13:53:45] <KotH> gliako: for the bbb, use koesn evil non-vendor tree
  • [13:53:47] <gliako> sure
  • [13:53:51] <KotH> gliako: koen
  • [13:53:57] <Kernle> + my bachelor thesis will base on the shadow paper I'm working on
  • [13:54:03] <KotH> gliako: it's on github somehwere
  • [13:54:17] <gliako> keep working an in the mean time i will typr my bullet point questions
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  • [13:54:53] <KotH> gliako: for testing, boot from sd card. this makes turn around faster
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  • [13:55:31] <KotH> gliako: if you want background, get the "embedded linux primer"
  • [13:55:51] <gliako> In order to compile a kernel module (simple Hello routine) i have to download on my host machine a kernel source code in order to build it right?
  • [13:56:01] <KotH> gliako: if you need even more background "the design of the unix operating system" by bach ;)
  • [13:56:16] <KotH> gliako: you should _not_ compile modules seperately
  • [13:56:32] <KotH> gliako: modules depend on having the same configuration as the kernel they are supposed to used with
  • [13:56:39] <gliako> ok
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  • [13:56:51] <KotH> gliako: part of the modules also depend on having the same gcc version
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  • [13:57:34] <gliako> beaglebone black shows 3.8.13 kernel but i cannot find it and download it on my host machine
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  • [14:01:42] <Kernle> KotH: I'm driving to my local electric store. What should I get again? serial2USB?
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  • [14:07:28] <gliako> people
  • [14:07:34] <gliako> i need your help
  • [14:08:33] <gliako> can someone direct me to a tutorial or paper where i can achive from scratch (Linux host machine and beaglebone black) to build a simple "hello" kernel module?
  • [14:08:57] <_Rotti> do you need cross compiling?
  • [14:09:11] <gliako> i need steps/requirements for host and beaglebone black
  • [14:09:19] <gliako> please guys!!!
  • [14:09:34] <_Rotti> first start with compiling a simple module for your host
  • [14:09:39] <gliako> google is CHAOS!
  • [14:09:52] <_Rotti> when done, you need to build a kernel for your BB on the host
  • [14:10:20] <_Rotti> then, just set KDIR (?) and CROSS_COMPILE to the BB sources
  • [14:10:27] <_Rotti> this should be it
  • [14:10:30] <gliako> I have done that!
  • [14:10:37] <gliako> and it works!
  • [14:10:50] <gliako> but then i need to match the kernel of my BBB
  • [14:10:56] <gliako> and build it
  • [14:11:04] <gliako> and here is where i am lost
  • [14:11:28] <gliako> host kernel is 3.8.0.33 and BBB 3.8.13
  • [14:12:07] <gliako> how do i find 3.8.13, download it on my host and cross compile my module for BBB on host???
  • [14:13:08] <_Rotti> github.com/beaglebone or similar
  • [14:13:21] <gliako> should i build a new kernel for BBB?
  • [14:13:31] <_Rotti> yepp
  • [14:13:40] <_Rotti> guess so, at least
  • [14:14:04] <_Rotti> had problems when the module and the kernel were built on different machines with different versions of gcc
  • [14:14:34] <gliako> this is what i have seen
  • [14:15:03] <gliako> so your suggestion is to get sources for latest stable BBB kernel (ideally Angstrom)
  • [14:15:21] <_Rotti> probably....
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  • [14:15:33] <gliako> build it
  • [14:15:46] <gliako> then creat image and boot it from sd
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  • [14:16:00] <gliako> and then build kernel on host with same sources
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  • [14:16:12] <_Rotti> ...and same compiler, of course
  • [14:16:15] <gliako> and finally import .ko file on BBB
  • [14:16:30] <_Rotti> yes, this should be it
  • [14:16:51] <gliako> hmmm, i will do it again
  • [14:17:06] <gliako> i am sure this is what i have done before
  • [14:17:11] <gliako> maybe i took bad sources
  • [14:17:41] <_Rotti> did you set the board, CROSS_COMPILE=..., ARCH=arm, ...?
  • [14:17:47] <gliako> do you have in mind a good link or paper which outlines these steps with working results?
  • [14:17:55] <_Rotti> does the board boot the correct kernel?
  • [14:18:00] <gliako> to be honest i dont remember
  • [14:18:04] <gliako> maybe not
  • [14:18:11] <_Rotti> sorry, no
  • [14:19:02] <gliako> CROSS_COMPILE=..., ARCH=arm, ... must have the path of the downloaded sources and compiler
  • [14:19:05] <gliako> right?
  • [14:19:33] <_Rotti> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- (for my system)
  • [14:19:49] <gliako> yeap
  • [14:20:03] <gliako> Thanks for your time _Rotti
  • [14:20:10] <gliako> much appreciated!
  • [14:20:15] <gliako> Honestly!
  • [14:20:24] <_Rotti> hope it helps ;)
  • [14:20:25] <honestly> ok gliako
  • [14:20:36] <gliako> haha
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  • [14:21:24] <KotH> gliako: if you want to write your own kernel module, get the ldd3
  • [14:22:31] <gliako> what is this?
  • [14:22:51] <_Rotti> http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ <- this one, koth? i'm still looking for a good book on development for modules
  • [14:23:28] <KotH> _Rotti: yes, that one
  • [14:23:48] <KotH> _Rotti: huh? ldd3 is _the_one_book_to_rule_all_modules_
  • [14:23:56] <KotH> _Rotti: everyone should point you at it
  • [14:25:21] <_Rotti> KotH: just asked co workers for now... they had more stuff regarding the network stack
  • [14:26:31] <gliako> i have bought it 2 weeks now and still waiting on delivery
  • [14:26:31] <gliako> GGGGRRRRRR
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  • [14:49:18] <KotH> _Rotti: there is specialized docu for certain subsys
  • [14:49:42] <KotH> _Rotti: iirc mel gorman wrote a 200+ pages "paper" on how the memory managment works
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  • [15:00:42] <Kernle> Okay... so a serial2usb costs 20??? at our local electric store. Screw that, I will ask my professor in uni tomorrow. Plus I will look good for working on thr project even thoguh the project is over.
  • [15:03:10] <av500> you need USB2ttl
  • [15:03:14] <av500> not RS232
  • [15:04:26] <av500> http://www.watterott.com/de/TTL-232R-USB-Serial-Converter-33V
  • [15:04:58] <Kernle> Whats the difference av500?
  • [15:05:06] <Vaizki_> voltage levels
  • [15:05:09] <av500> one is TTL, the other is RS232
  • [15:05:42] <Kernle> Well, google came up with this, so.... http://dave.cheney.net/2013/09/22/two-point-five-ways-to-access-the-serial-console-on-your-beaglebone-black
  • [15:05:44] <carpman> if you try to connect RS232 voltages to the console on the BBB, you will burn out the console port. You need TTL voltage levels
  • [15:05:50] <Vaizki_> if you have other dev boards etc, maybe you already have a usable ttl serial port on something
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  • [15:06:52] <Kernle> Well, the tutorial states that the voltage pin on the BBB isn't connected. Can someone confirm this?
  • [15:07:00] <av500> true
  • [15:07:04] <av500> so?
  • [15:07:04] <Vaizki_> confirmed
  • [15:07:15] <av500> its not about the voltage pin
  • [15:07:28] <joom> Has anyone used PWM in u-boot?
  • [15:07:36] <av500> you could do something wild and google "RS232" and then google "TTL"
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  • [15:10:42] <Kernle> TTL just comes up the transistor-transistor-logic ._.
  • [15:11:06] <carpman> Kernle: you need a serial adapter that does 3.3 volt signaling on one side and USB on the other.
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  • [15:11:54] <KotH> Kernle: get "tietze&schenk"
  • [15:12:05] <KotH> Kernle: that's step #2 in learning electronics
  • [15:12:45] <Vaizki_> BBB also works with 5V ttl on the debug serial
  • [15:12:48] <Kernle> I don't want to learn electronics :S I had that stuff 3 years in school._.
  • [15:12:57] <Vaizki_> I know it's not official or recommended but it does ;)
  • [15:13:02] <das> KotH: I take it step 1 is put the fingers in the electrical outlet to learn to never do that again ?
  • [15:13:36] <Kernle> KotH: You learn to respect electronics, after one of your idiot classmates blows up a capacitor
  • [15:14:03] <Kernle> Might this work then? http://www.amazon.de/USB-TTL-Konverter-Modul-mit-eingebautem-CP2102/dp/B008RF73CS
  • [15:14:14] <KotH> das: no, step #1 is to learn german ;)
  • [15:14:42] <Vaizki_> Kernle: yes, I have similar ones.
  • [15:14:48] <Vaizki_> they are not as good as FTDI ones
  • [15:14:53] <KotH> Kernle: oh.. we soldered capacitors into the power socked at our highschool. it was fun watching the teacher jump when he plugged something in :)
  • [15:15:03] <KotH> sockets*
  • [15:15:08] <Kernle> KotH: We should have done that :D
  • [15:15:20] <Vaizki_> but for just debug serial access the cp2102 stuff is ok
  • [15:15:33] <Vaizki_> you need to find the right drivers though
  • [15:15:38] <Kernle> :S duh...
  • [15:16:01] <Kernle> I guess I will do some further test before I get this crap.
  • [15:16:08] <av500> das: www.jeanpierrepoulin.com/PDF/transistor.pdf???
  • [15:16:21] <av500> its about guitar amps, but the principles are the same
  • [15:16:26] <av500> for you hifi project
  • [15:16:40] <Vaizki_> you don't have anything like arduino or msp430 boards to use as usb-to-ttl converters?
  • [15:17:10] <Kernle> Vaizki_: Nope, why would I. Never did anything productive with modern boards. The stuff I have is lend from university.
  • [15:17:26] <Kernle> So, they should have this usb-ttl thingy laying around somewhere.
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  • [15:17:38] <Kernle> Maybe I'll find the cause for the BBB not booting without it though...
  • [15:17:44] <Vaizki_> not even a raspberry pi?! :D
  • [15:17:59] <Kernle> The RaPi is lend, too :D
  • [15:19:02] <Vaizki_> well you can use it as a ttl serial server
  • [15:19:18] <Vaizki_> it has a ttl serial port on the expansion connector
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  • [15:19:43] <bradfa> is it 12 or 21?
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  • [15:19:55] <av500> 54!
  • [15:19:59] <Vaizki_> 42
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  • [15:20:23] <av500> no trolling
  • [15:21:27] <KotH> lol
  • [15:21:44] <KotH> p00r bradfa, he only tried to help!
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  • [15:22:44] <Vaizki_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FT232RL-Serial-adapter-Module-USB-TTL-3-3V-5V-Mini-USB-TTL-Arduino-/300987591306?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4614422a8a
  • [15:22:51] <Vaizki_> I ordered a couple of those
  • [15:22:53] <Kernle> Lol.... "for Raspberry Pi" - first image is a BBB :D http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
  • [15:22:58] <Vaizki_> haven't gotten them yet
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  • [15:25:01] <Kernle> Anyhow, back to my board problem. If it doesn't boot, aka just flashes its LEDs and then goes black, its either MLO or u-boot, right
  • [15:26:21] <carpman> Kernle: it could be a kernel problem. There is no way to tell without the output of the console.
  • [15:26:25] <Vaizki_> well MLO is uboot "mini"
  • [15:26:26] <mdp> av500, can we at least use foul language here?
  • [15:26:52] <Kernle> okay carpman :( I will recompile my stuff then, and see if there are any errors
  • [15:27:05] <Vaizki_> what flashes the leds in boot before the kernel is up?
  • [15:27:14] <Vaizki_> I've never thought about it
  • [15:27:15] <carpman> uboot
  • [15:27:32] <Vaizki_> they put in special support for it?
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  • [15:28:36] <av500> superduper led driver
  • [15:29:00] <Vaizki_> so at least he has MLO and uboot loaded
  • [15:29:11] <Vaizki_> if the leds flash
  • [15:29:31] <carpman> Vaizki_: most probably the kernel is panicking somewhere in the boot process. That somewhere is critical to fixing the problem, though.
  • [15:29:56] <Vaizki_> yea, I've had my share of boot debugging...
  • [15:30:06] <mdp> do you have jtag?
  • [15:30:14] <Vaizki_> although I must admit I don't find the default BBB uboot very helpful in its boot messages either :)
  • [15:30:22] <mdp> or perhaps you could enable earlyprintk?
  • [15:30:51] <mdp> Vaizki_, you can enable debug in u-boot
  • [15:31:58] <Vaizki_> yea I can. but look at all the people who come on this channel...
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  • [15:34:18] <Vaizki_> it would be nice if uboot at least printed out some basic stuff ... like when it loads a device tree, kernel etc.. just print out what device, what path, loaded into which address, what size :)
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  • [15:34:36] <Vaizki_> we would have so much more useful pastebins from the people coming and asking about boot
  • [15:34:48] <carpman> and boot would take 3 times as long
  • [15:35:03] <Vaizki_> why?
  • [15:35:15] <Vaizki_> to print 5-10 lines more at boot?
  • [15:36:34] <carpman> oh, just the devices. I guess that wouldn't be that much. Or they could google how to turn uboot debugging on and learn an important life lesson on how to search for things.
  • [15:36:46] <mdp> Vaizki_, but it's a production build..it's abnormal to turn on debug for a production u-boot or kernel build. does that make sense?
  • [15:37:16] <mdp> Vaizki_, BBB has a turnkey s/w load that's known to work so debug enabled by default is not needed
  • [15:37:23] <av500> I wish BBB had usb serial
  • [15:37:30] <Vaizki_> av500: yea me too :)
  • [15:37:34] <Kernle> Well, I looked again at the boot. It just turns on the first two leds, and then shuts down. I made a short video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xyjz8684szlm9y/2013-12-03%2016.31.15.mp4
  • [15:37:39] <mdp> av500, I wish BBB had miniPCIe
  • [15:37:41] <av500> get
  • [15:37:43] <av500> a
  • [15:37:44] <av500> serial
  • [15:37:52] <Vaizki_> mdp: look at all the people coming on to the channel asking about boot debugging
  • [15:38:04] <av500> mdp: I wish it had ACPI
  • [15:38:08] <carpman> Vaizki_: https://www.tindie.com/products/makertronic/beagle-bone-black-usb-console/, also the new RS232 cape will have access to the console.
  • [15:38:11] <av500> then jonmasters would help debug it
  • [15:38:15] <carpman> av500: no trolling
  • [15:38:16] <mdp> av500, we can get that
  • [15:38:37] <av500> carpman: clever play to sell more capes
  • [15:38:41] <Vaizki_> I don't want a RS232 cape...
  • [15:38:53] <mdp> Vaizki_, then you would have people coming asking to debug there USB HCI driver on their host
  • [15:38:59] <mdp> s/there/their/
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  • [15:39:27] <mdp> Vaizki_, they very clearly offer places to get the usb->serial cable for BBB, you should get one
  • [15:39:45] <mdp> Vaizki_, it's an essential tool for somebody not just hooking up to an HDMI display
  • [15:39:55] <Vaizki_> hey I don't disagree. but they still come on here and bug the hell out of us :D
  • [15:40:04] <mdp> past the link
  • [15:40:07] <mdp> done
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  • [15:40:19] <Vaizki_> I have never hooked up a HDMI display to my BBB
  • [15:40:32] <mdp> maybe I need to come out of retirement
  • [15:40:51] <Vaizki_> that said, I did install arch linux on it without having a usb2ttl serial handy...
  • [15:41:00] <mdp> that's nice
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  • [15:41:19] <Vaizki_> I did need a usb usd card reader though
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  • [15:41:24] <Kernle> Is there an overview what different led reactions at boot mean? Like, it turns on the first two, now what?
  • [15:41:35] <av500> no
  • [15:41:36] <av500> get
  • [15:41:38] <av500> a
  • [15:41:40] <Vaizki_> :D
  • [15:41:41] <av500> serial
  • [15:41:42] <Vaizki_> SERIAL
  • [15:41:56] <carpman> av500: lol
  • [15:42:06] <av500> SSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • [15:42:07] <mdp> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables
  • [15:42:13] <mdp> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables
  • [15:42:13] <mdp> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables
  • [15:42:20] * Kernle puts av500 in place for a serial cable
  • [15:42:25] <Kernle> Now talk serial thingy!
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  • [15:43:35] <carpman> oh wait, I just looked at the source. First 2 LEDs indicate "GET A SERIAL CABLE TO DEBUG FURTHER"
  • [15:43:54] <Vaizki_> there should be an arduino cape with 328p and a usb-serial with jumpers to select whether it connects to arduino or BBB debug serial :)
  • [15:43:59] <Vaizki_> that would sell to the newbies
  • [15:44:11] * Kernle puts carpman into his fridge
  • [15:45:05] <mdp> Kernle, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=beaglebone+black+leds
  • [15:45:21] <mdp> first hit: http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started
  • [15:45:40] <mdp> USR0 is configured at boot to blink in a heartbeat pattern
  • [15:45:40] <mdp> USR1 is configured at boot to light during microSD card accesses
  • [15:45:40] <mdp> USR2 is configured at boot to light during CPU activity
  • [15:45:40] <mdp> USR3 is configured at boot to light during eMMC accesses
  • [15:45:58] <Kernle> Well yeah mdp. That tells me what the leds indicate. But this not answer my question.
  • [15:46:13] <mdp> <Kernle> Is there an overview what different led reactions at boot mean? Like, it turns on the first two, now what?
  • [15:46:17] <mdp> your question is poorly worded and vague. try again
  • [15:46:24] <mdp> but first, GET A SERIAL
  • [15:46:26] <Kernle> :(
  • [15:46:34] <Kernle> *sad puppy face*
  • [15:46:34] <Vaizki_> I guess those led descriptions only apply to when the kernel is up
  • [15:46:43] <mdp> of course
  • [15:46:56] <mdp> they are driven by the triggers framework in the kernel
  • [15:47:13] <Vaizki_> he wants to know what they mean when uboot is running the show
  • [15:47:31] <mdp> if he has no SERIAL, how does he know what is running?
  • [15:48:02] <av500> female intuition
  • [15:48:06] <Vaizki_> from the leds! .. just kidding ;)
  • [15:48:26] <av500> as fefe would say: zeitbinder
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  • [15:50:42] <Kernle> c kernel
  • [15:50:46] <Kernle> duh... wrong windows
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  • [15:51:30] <av500> java kernel
  • [15:51:40] <Kernle> Java is awesome \o/
  • [15:51:57] <KotH> people have been banned for less
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  • [15:52:04] <Kernle> o_o
  • [15:52:17] <mdp> Java is the future
  • [15:52:41] <Vaizki_> what a bleak outlook
  • [15:52:41] <KotH> av500: could you please ban mdp?
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  • [15:52:48] <KotH> av500: he promotes the use of java
  • [15:52:57] <Kernle> I develop games in java o??
  • [15:53:07] <carpman> really...
  • [15:53:11] <Kernle> Android...
  • [15:53:22] <av500> KotH: java is grear
  • [15:53:24] <av500> great
  • [15:53:40] <carpman> all is explained
  • [15:54:17] <Vaizki_> now get a serial
  • [15:54:22] <Vaizki_> neeeext!
  • [15:54:34] <mdp> I prefer Torvald's Java to Google's Java
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  • [15:56:44] <Kernle> Now what?
  • [15:57:24] <carpman> you stop using /me and get the hardware that multiple different people have insisted you need to diagnose the problem
  • [15:58:01] <Kernle> Well, i send the mail to my prof, so I hope I got my stuff tomorrow.
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  • [15:59:30] <mdp> we'll note in the ticket that the user is acquiring a SERIAL and will report back tomorrow. will keep the ticket open
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  • [16:18:43] <Guest53406> Hello, I have question I can not solve.
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  • [16:18:58] <av500> pray tell
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  • [16:21:10] <Guest53406> I have problem with attaching SD card through USB reader. It does not work. I got through all the fun with dmesg, attemptint to mount, it does tno mount. It is transcend usb sd card reader and ADATA 8GB sd card with FAT32. My old 2GB usb flashdisk works, it mounts automatically no problem...
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  • [16:27:08] <Guest53406> root@beaglebone:~# dmesg | grep -i sda [ 33.027070] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] READ CAPACITY failed [ 33.027085] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] [ 33.027105] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Sense not available. [ 33.027174] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off [ 33.027189] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 01 10 00 [ 33.027248] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Asking for cache data failed [ 33.033007] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 33.04017
  • [16:28:13] <av500> pastebin.com please
  • [16:28:59] <Guest53406> Ouch, short messages only:). Oh, did not knew this one. Moment please
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  • [16:31:15] <Guest53406> http://pastebin.com/qm2AvGn9 here it is, dmesg and df
  • [16:32:37] <av500> and it works with one card and fails with another?
  • [16:34:01] <Guest53406> I am owner only one sd card, 8GB. Never used them before, only mmc. It works with older 2GB usb flashdisk.
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  • [16:35:50] <__Rotti> what does ls /dev/sda* say?
  • [16:36:22] <__Rotti> Guest53406: if there is no /dev/sda1, it you probably have a problem
  • [16:36:51] <__Rotti> Guest53406: does the sd card work in another device (cell phone, camera, ...)?
  • [16:37:27] <Guest53406> ls: cannot access /dev/sda*: No such file or directory
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  • [16:38:16] <__Rotti> then the card seems to be broken
  • [16:39:46] <av500> try:
  • [16:39:49] <av500> 1) different card
  • [16:39:54] <av500> 2) differen card reader
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  • [16:40:06] <Splat725> Hello all.
  • [16:40:51] <Splat725> I am just wondering, Can the BBB play full 1080P video?
  • [16:41:05] <av500> no
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  • [16:41:07] <av500> and no
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  • [16:41:34] <av500> at least not at fps rates that you would find agreeable
  • [16:42:02] <Splat725> What about 720P?
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  • [16:43:06] <av500> no
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  • [16:43:15] <av500> also, 16bit output only
  • [16:43:27] <av500> so even if it could decode and resize, it would still look like crap
  • [16:43:44] <Splat725> Figured as much, just thought I would confirm with people who knew definitely
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  • [16:59:17] <Guest53406> It is puzzling, the problem with sd card. It should be working, when I successfully used it to update BBB. I am now trying the sdcard formatting utility and complete rewrite.
  • [17:01:15] <av500> to update the BBB, the card was in the sdcard slot, no?
  • [17:01:26] <Guest53406> yes
  • [17:01:29] <av500> now its in an sdcard reader, no?
  • [17:01:36] <Guest53406> yes
  • [17:01:43] <Guest53406> can it mean problem with the reader_
  • [17:01:45] <Guest53406> ?
  • [17:01:54] <av500> [17:39] <av500> 1) different card
  • [17:01:55] <av500> [17:39] <av500> 2) differen card reader
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  • [17:03:19] <Guest53406> Is there any ideal capacity for sd card? I can buy tomorrow, perhaps 4GB rather?
  • [17:03:36] <av500> no
  • [17:03:45] <av500> buy a card that says "sandisk" on it
  • [17:03:50] <av500> and not from a street vendor
  • [17:04:52] <Guest53406> What about usb reader vendor or successfully tested product?
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  • [17:05:16] <av500> there isa million different usb readers
  • [17:05:37] <av500> under a trillion different brands
  • [17:05:44] <av500> all from the same factory in China
  • [17:05:50] <Guest53406> ROFL
  • [17:05:54] <av500> successfully tested means nothing
  • [17:06:09] <av500> luckily, they are cheap
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  • [17:07:21] <Guest53406> Thanks for info, I will try to be persistent and get it working:).
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  • [17:09:54] <juicyjones> Guest53406 a new reader will probably fix that right up
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  • [17:10:39] <juicyjones> Guest53406 were you ever able to format and flash your sdcard before, or has it failed every time you've tried?
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  • [17:11:58] <Dr{Who}> wow.. adafruit had 40 last night I got one but now they have none.. Glad I decided to get one.
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  • [17:12:16] <Guest53406> Never from beagle, I was always capable to acces the sd card from PC and format it there.
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  • [17:17:17] <Kernle> Hmm... I just checked. The TI Android Testbuild doesn't work with the same problem like my own Android build :S
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  • [17:18:22] <av500> compare the logs :)
  • [17:18:56] <Kernle> av500: .... serial? ;-)
  • [17:19:26] <av500> or parallel
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  • [17:20:17] <Kernle> Well... it does bother me that even the testbuild doesn't work :S Will try a different distro.
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  • [17:24:14] <Guest53406> It WORKS! It was really transcend usb reader,who caused the problem. I found luckily old usb mmc/sd card reader and it mounted :).
  • [17:24:23] <Guest53406> Thanks for help:)
  • [17:28:23] <Dr{Who}> Q. I cant find a good page that confirms this. And I have not plugged mine BBB into a host ever. I presume the host can access the emmc and sd card via usb only because the running kernel has the host driver. Ie no kernel running no access to the bbb storage.
  • [17:28:49] <av500> right
  • [17:28:54] <av500> the kernel has a usb device driver
  • [17:29:00] <av500> so it appears as a device to the PC host
  • [17:29:23] <av500> in Linux lingo that is called a "gadget" driver
  • [17:29:49] <Dr{Who}> yep. cool. just wanted to make sure no hardware magic existed.
  • [17:30:13] <av500> it would be ROM code magic, but no
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  • [17:37:45] <Dr{Who}> wow 176k of rom space. Thats over 2 * of the size of the Pic chip on my own embeded boards. Thats lots of room. Wonder how much uboot stage 1 takes up.
  • [17:38:17] <av500> what for?
  • [17:39:28] <Dr{Who}> anyone know how much of the onboard rom on the AM335x is used on the BBB?
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  • [17:41:36] <Travis7s> Does anyone know if there is a distributor that actually has beaglebone blacks?
  • [17:41:41] <av500> Dr{Who}: ?
  • [17:41:48] <av500> the onboard ROM is fixed for amm AM335x
  • [17:41:55] <av500> for all*
  • [17:41:58] <Dr{Who}> yes I know.
  • [17:42:02] <Dr{Who}> its "ROM"
  • [17:42:13] <ogra_> Dr{Who}, enough to load the first stage bootloader ...
  • [17:42:17] <Dr{Who}> but how much of the 180K was used
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  • [17:43:52] <Quinto> hi all..i have create a .service for to start my app at boot: http://pastebin.com/sqcvg4wV but at start i have this error ttyUSB0 dont exist... if i do systemctl stop myservice and systemctl start myservice it work correctly.. Someone can help me?
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  • [17:47:07] <av500> pastebin app.sh
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  • [17:47:44] <juicyjones> Travis7s Amazon just delivered one to me yesterday
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  • [17:49:01] <kartikeya> hiii
  • [17:49:06] <kartikeya> i need help
  • [17:49:11] <kartikeya> any1?
  • [17:49:49] <kartikeya> >>>>>>>>>
  • [17:49:55] <av500> <<<<<<<<
  • [17:49:56] <Quinto> av500: http://pastebin.com/uFgBX4nZ
  • [17:50:00] <juicyjones> no need to announce kartikeya just ask your question or not
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  • [17:50:32] <av500> Quinto: and what prints this error ttyUSB0 ?
  • [17:50:44] <Quinto> av500: ttyUSB0 dont exist
  • [17:51:00] <Quinto> i think that i must insert After=getty@ttyUSB0.service
  • [17:51:05] <Quinto> and Required=ttyUSB0
  • [17:51:08] <Quinto> i think...
  • [17:51:21] <av500> what SW needs tty usb?
  • [17:51:21] <Quinto> getty-serial@ttyUSB0.service
  • [17:51:35] <Quinto> prova_qt_BBB
  • [17:51:41] <Quinto> service run app.sh
  • [17:51:41] <Vaizki_> if you think so, why not try it?
  • [17:51:54] <Quinto> app.sh run prova_qt_BBB -qws
  • [17:52:02] <Quinto> now i cant try it
  • [17:52:18] <kartikeya> i just bought a new beagle bone black and i cannot find it in my computer
  • [17:52:26] <av500> if you app needs ttyUSB, why run a getty on it?
  • [17:52:31] <kartikeya> i installed the drivers...i m on win8
  • [17:52:41] <av500> how is it connected?
  • [17:52:45] <kartikeya> usb
  • [17:52:53] <kartikeya> and DC power
  • [17:53:01] <kartikeya> usb to mini usb port
  • [17:53:09] <av500> and windows shows the usb device?
  • [17:53:16] <kartikeya> nope
  • [17:53:18] <kartikeya> nothing
  • [17:53:25] <kartikeya> thats what concerns me
  • [17:53:39] <Vaizki_> does the bbb boot? leds flashing?
  • [17:53:44] <kartikeya> yes
  • [17:53:49] <kartikeya> i see 3 led light
  • [17:53:56] <kartikeya> however the 4th one wont start
  • [17:54:16] <kartikeya> i have inserted the micro sd
  • [17:54:22] <Quinto> av500: my app need ttyUSB0 for read and write
  • [17:54:34] <Vaizki_> don't insert a uSD unless you want to boot from it
  • [17:54:35] <kartikeya> by writting with win32disk soft
  • [17:54:47] <Quinto> but my service when start at boot dont work and if i do systemctl status applicazione.service
  • [17:54:55] <kartikeya> and NOOBS OS
  • [17:54:57] <Quinto> i view error ttyUSB0 dont exist
  • [17:55:15] <juicyjones> kartikeya first, unplug everything including your SD card, then plug just the BBB into your computer via usb
  • [17:55:25] <kartikeya> okay
  • [17:55:25] <Quinto> if i do systemctl stop applicazione and ssystemctl tart applicazione it work correctly
  • [17:55:30] <kartikeya> let me do that...
  • [17:55:31] <av500> Quinto: again, what has this got to do with a getty on ttyusb?
  • [17:55:39] <juicyjones> isn't noobs OS for the rpi?
  • [17:55:48] <av500> Quinto: I guess systemd runs your unit before USB is there
  • [17:55:55] <Quinto> i think it enable ttyUSB0 before my app
  • [17:56:03] <av500> you need to make it wait for USB devices
  • [17:56:05] <kartikeya> done
  • [17:56:07] <Vaizki_> yes NOOBS is for RPi, not BBB
  • [17:56:16] <kartikeya> okay
  • [17:56:19] <av500> wtf is noobs?
  • [17:56:23] <kartikeya> didnt knew that
  • [17:56:25] <av500> other than what comes to my mind
  • [17:56:25] <juicyjones> a distro for rpi
  • [17:56:27] <Quinto> no USB devices is already connected to USB port
  • [17:56:34] <Quinto> at boot
  • [17:56:36] <av500> sure
  • [17:56:45] <av500> that does not mean the kernel has enumerated them
  • [17:56:51] <kartikeya> nothing is shown in my computer
  • [17:56:55] <kartikeya> stillll
  • [17:56:59] <Quinto> so how i can resolve?
  • [17:57:07] <av500> [18:55] <av500> you need to make it wait for USB devices
  • [17:57:11] <juicyjones> kartikeya what is happening on the BBB?
  • [17:57:13] <Quinto> and how?
  • [17:57:27] <av500> by taking my words and reformulating them into a question for google
  • [17:57:33] <av500> no?
  • [17:57:36] <kartikeya> just one blue light is active
  • [17:57:53] <kartikeya> the one near power source of DC
  • [17:58:01] <Vaizki_> blinking?
  • [17:58:06] <kartikeya> nope
  • [17:58:14] <juicyjones> kartikeya did you try to flash the eemc already?
  • [17:58:25] <kartikeya> how do i do that?
  • [17:58:34] <juicyjones> kartikeya I'll take that as a no
  • [17:58:55] <juicyjones> have you done anything at all besides plug in cables kartikeya?
  • [17:58:58] <kartikeya> i have tried many things
  • [17:59:03] <kartikeya> yes
  • [17:59:05] <kartikeya> i have
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  • [17:59:43] <kartikeya> i tried holding the boot button...that is what i believe for about 30 seconds with micro sd inserted
  • [18:00:07] <kartikeya> the boot button should be the button along the big usb port
  • [18:01:11] <kartikeya> help!!!
  • [18:01:24] <juicyjones> I'm new to this, but all I know is that the first thing I did was accidentally erase the eemc and my sdcard. That caused a crash course in how to flash the BBB and my sdcards
  • [18:01:58] <juicyjones> read up on flashing the OS to your SD card kartikeya, you have to pick something besides NOOBS
  • [18:02:29] <kartikeya> so i was working correctly i take it
  • [18:02:47] <kartikeya> that is the correct way to flash
  • [18:03:01] <kartikeya> is there a xbmc os for beagle bone
  • [18:03:10] <Vaizki_> no
  • [18:03:20] <Vaizki_> beagle bone is not a good xbmc platform
  • [18:03:50] <ogra_> s/a good//
  • [18:04:00] <Vaizki_> there's about zero (0) reasons to run XBMC on BBB
  • [18:04:09] <Dr{Who}> Vaizki_: just to confirm on that. It is on Ti's plate to add some acceleration drivers and that would be a different story?
  • [18:04:24] <Vaizki_> not really
  • [18:04:28] <ogra_> Dr{Who}, there is no hardware for video decoding ...
  • [18:04:29] <Dr{Who}> othern than the lack of 1080p
  • [18:04:34] <ogra_> no driver will help
  • [18:04:38] <Dr{Who}> k. thanks.
  • [18:04:45] <Vaizki_> and it's only 16bit color out
  • [18:04:58] <ogra_> it does GLES but no video decoding with the HW it has
  • [18:05:09] <Dr{Who}> I had read someplace about Ti needing to provide some data to get some acceleration I thought it was video.
  • [18:05:38] <kartikeya> okay
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  • [18:05:47] <kartikeya> that was just for information
  • [18:06:00] <kartikeya> so can you please help me to detect my bbb on my computer
  • [18:06:07] <kartikeya> nothing seems to work
  • [18:06:22] <Vaizki_> you are not accepting help
  • [18:06:43] <Dr{Who}> kartikeya: if the BBB is not booting your USB host access is also down. You will need to read up on flashing and running from the uSD
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  • [18:07:03] <kartikeya> okay
  • [18:07:16] <kartikeya> please provide me a good distro link for bbb
  • [18:07:41] <Vaizki_> can I do your homework also?
  • [18:07:51] <Dr{Who}> kartikeya: everyone will have diff opinion on that. I suggest putting back to stock angstrom at first.
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  • [18:08:22] <Ferris> ??
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  • [18:08:52] <juicyjones> IIRC once TI releases the DRM pieces the drivers can commence and they'll be fine.
  • [18:09:13] <juicyjones> kartikeya you have to at least go to the homepage and read about what to do first. come on.
  • [18:09:44] <kartikeya> Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.08.21.img.xz
  • [18:09:48] <kartikeya> i have read people
  • [18:09:51] <kartikeya> its not like that
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  • [18:10:03] <kartikeya> i just got confused with rpi and beagle bone black
  • [18:10:07] <Vaizki_> even if you got video decoded on the BBB, you'd still be stuck with 16bit color and 720p if you want sound
  • [18:10:11] <kartikeya> it seems i places the wrong order
  • [18:10:11] <Vaizki_> just not worth it
  • [18:10:40] <juicyjones> Vaizki_ until drivers are written
  • [18:10:42] <Dr{Who}> av500: Finished reading on the rom boot code. So its private code and cant be factory loaded. Got it. I figured it was a flash once or something. Wonder if the ROM code passed the Auto industry and mill tests. They are giving out any details on it afaik.
  • [18:10:48] <kartikeya> i guess i will just make a firewall out of iut
  • [18:10:49] <juicyjones> kartikeya http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started
  • [18:10:49] <Vaizki_> juicyjones: no, until forever
  • [18:11:11] <juicyjones> kartikeya at the bottom of that page it has a whole section about distros that people are working on
  • [18:11:18] <Vaizki_> the pixel clock and bus width on the board limit you
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  • [18:16:11] <Vaizki_> but I see they added 1080p @ 24fps .. which is nice. but it's always going to be RGB565
  • [18:17:59] <Vaizki_> going to 24bit color would have wiped out 8 pins from the expansion headers
  • [18:18:08] <Vaizki_> 8 more that is
  • [18:18:53] <juicyjones> that should more than satisfy all but the XBMC'ers Vaizki_
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  • [18:20:56] <Vaizki_> xbmc'ers should stick with raspi, atv etc
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  • [18:22:19] <juicyjones> Vaizki_ exactly
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  • [18:40:13] <APRichelieu> It seems like the function to create a new project fails.
  • [18:40:36] <Kernle> I want ma serial cable :S
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  • [18:49:30] <Kernle> I somehow have the feeling that its all about the mkmmc-android.sh script. Because no distribution that uses this method works with my BBB :S
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  • [18:51:06] <Crofton|work> we are all booking the St Nick for FOSDEM?
  • [18:51:12] <karl-s> this may be a pretty basic question but is the BBB onboard ethernet tied to the USB host mode ethernet in any way?
  • [18:51:26] <Vaizki_> no
  • [18:51:41] <karl-s> they are separate and distinct adapters from the BBB perspective?
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  • [18:54:00] <APRichelieu> You can of course run Ethernet on top of USB by loading g_ether
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  • [18:55:18] <Vaizki_> karl-s: yes, they are separate devices
  • [18:56:03] <Vaizki_> and on default ??ngstr??m build, the onboard ethernet runs dhcp client while the usb gadget ethernet runs dhcp server
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  • [18:56:31] <karl-s> Vaizki_, APRichelieu thx!
  • [18:58:20] <Kernle> Hmm, is a 1A power supply enough for the BBB?
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  • [18:59:09] <karl-s> are you using any usb devices on it? wifi, sound, etc?
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  • [19:00:51] <juicyjones> Kernle http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BLDH7XI/
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  • [19:01:31] <KotH> karl-s: the ethernet port on the bbb is a real network card with direct connection to the SoC core
  • [19:01:45] <KotH> karl-s: no we-do-everything-over-one-slow-usb-port-rpi-thing
  • [19:01:47] <Kernle> karl-s: HDMI, USB and Ethernet
  • [19:02:17] <KotH> Kernle: how much power you need depends on how much power you need
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  • [19:02:25] <KotH> Kernle: you can run the bbb with <500mA
  • [19:02:26] <karl-s> KotH, thx. i'm coming from the rpi world. I have a few home-made apps to migrate over...
  • [19:02:49] <KotH> karl-s: oh.. welcome to the bbb then
  • [19:03:04] <KotH> karl-s: as long as you dont do any graphics or video heavy stuff, you will love the bbb :)
  • [19:03:23] <juicyjones> <-- also new and enthusiastically excited :)
  • [19:03:32] <karl-s> yea, i wanted to do temperature but it was kinda complicated on the rpi due to the lack of analog gpio
  • [19:04:36] <Defiant> karl-s: why didn't you used an i2c sensor?
  • [19:04:48] <karl-s> dont know enough about them...
  • [19:05:05] <karl-s> i'm not a very knowledgable electronics guy but i'm getting better
  • [19:05:12] <Kernle> KotH: Yep. I made some power measurements yesterday. But just wanted to be sure. Maybe there are some powerpeaks when doing heavy stuff on system or smth...
  • [19:05:26] <juicyjones> a weather station is the first project my GF wants to build with her RPI
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  • [19:06:05] <KotH> Kernle: check the TRM how much the SoC uses
  • [19:06:14] <KotH> Kernle: the SRM should have some numbers too
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  • [19:12:11] <karl-s> i notice the getting started guide mentions updating Angstrom via SD, what about updating what is on the built in mmc card?
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  • [19:12:54] <Kernle> Thi sis done via SD karl-s
  • [19:13:08] <juicyjones> karl-s it should say something at the middle or end about that. basically the same procedure, but you boot from SD, then image from there to emmc
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  • [19:14:22] <karl-s> using dd?
  • [19:14:35] <juicyjones> xz
  • [19:14:51] <juicyjones> in my case
  • [19:14:55] <karl-s> kk
  • [19:15:03] <juicyjones> but tar works fine too. just need the images
  • [19:15:18] <juicyjones> once you get your head around the partitioning scheme it's pretty straightforward
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  • [19:15:41] <juicyjones> and the onboard is already partitioned correctly so no need for fdisk on that ever
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  • [19:19:38] <karl-s> What do you guys usually use for 'project boxes' if say I wanted a box with the BBB in it and a few separate relay boards
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  • [19:26:29] <Vaizki_> empty coconut shells
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  • [19:26:42] <Vaizki_> no wait that was for drinks
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  • [19:29:26] <Kernle> Hmmm... now for something different. I forgot to hold the user button while booting from SD. Okay... so that means my Angstr??m wont boot when there is an SD card but it. Nvm that, but if I hold the user button, the board just does nothing. The power LED goes on, but thats it.
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  • [19:37:49] <juicyjones> Vaizki_ got some transistors with little umbrellas on them?
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  • [19:48:52] <prpplague> karl-s: what kind of relay boards are you using?
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  • [19:53:38] <karl-s> prpplague, just the cheap standard 2-relay like this one here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Channel-5V-Relay-Module-With-Optocoupler-For-Arduino-DSP-AVR-PIC-ARM-/221297164601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338656c139
  • [19:53:52] <karl-s> (or 4 channel relay in that instance)
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  • [19:56:34] <eslavko> Hello..
  • [19:56:44] <eslavko> Someone here?
  • [19:57:45] <eslavko> ...need to calibrate LCD3 cape on debian.
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  • [20:05:37] <eslavko> bye
  • [20:05:38] <prpplague> karl-s: interesting
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  • [20:09:56] <juicyjones> Go me. \o/ I got ubuntu saucy booting off the emmc
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  • [20:18:01] <Kernle> Okay. Not even the TI Devkit boots from SD. Duh...
  • [20:19:01] <Kernle> Any idea? Not one LED besides the power LED activates.
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  • [20:20:37] <juicyjones> most likely formated the sdcard wrong?
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  • [20:21:00] <juicyjones> Kernle did you use xz?
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  • [20:25:20] <Kernle> juicyjones: Nope. I did just use the sh file that comes with the TI devkit. Let me look up what it does
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  • [20:28:37] <Kernle> Nope, i see no xy. Just dd
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  • [20:29:20] <juicyjones> not sure. I was able to flash the default image, archlinux, ubuntu 12 and 13, but I didn't try anything else
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  • [20:35:24] <Kernle> Yeah, those work. They are just img files, which I can copy to the SD card with win32diskimager
  • [20:35:59] <juicyjones> oh you're using windows
  • [20:36:22] <Kernle> Windows and Linux both actually ;-)
  • [20:36:25] <juicyjones> no idea how to make anything work that's not unix
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  • [20:37:02] <juicyjones> I only use Mac OS or unix for this kind of stuff. windows makes no sense, even with cygwin
  • [20:37:35] <juicyjones> I mean Mac OS or linux*
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  • [20:42:43] <Kernle> Its also amazingly great how noone in #rowboat cares to answer my questions.
  • [20:42:50] <Quinto> hi all.. i'm using an embedded board and i have create a .service for to start my app at boot: http://pastebin.com/sqcvg4wV but at start i have this error ttyUSB0 dont exist... if i do systemctl stop myservice and systemctl start myservice it work correctly.. Someone can help me? What i must insert in AFTER=
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  • [21:00:35] <karl-s> Quinto, add a sleep 30; in your init.d script
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  • [21:01:02] <Quinto> karl-s: mmmm
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  • [21:01:07] <Quinto> not is a good solution :D
  • [21:01:46] <karl-s> i agree, but it sounds like your service is starting before usb is up
  • [21:02:06] <karl-s> I think there is a way to change the order of startup
  • [21:02:19] <karl-s> but i'm not familiar with how in angstrom
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  • [21:05:25] <Quinto> yes i must create an udev rules: read: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/160917.html
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  • [22:17:58] <Quinto> for autostart my app at boot i must use only service?
  • [22:18:08] <Quinto> in old kernel version i used rc.local
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  • [22:19:20] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 54ea05e Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to v3.12.2...
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