• [00:00:06] <ka6sox> N2TOH, pastebin is still your friend. :)
  • [00:00:25] <thurgood> did you install the dev packages that you needed from opkg?
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  • [00:01:01] <N2TOH> other then that's it's all new to me
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  • [00:43:08] <bmatusiak_> ^^ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BViEK6tCUAAbZGb.jpg
  • [00:43:53] <N2TOH> ah that's not good
  • [00:44:24] <bmatusiak_> lol
  • [00:45:02] <bmatusiak_> the tables on letsmakerobots is correct but the name of the headers are wrong :P
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  • [00:51:54] <N2TOH> a simple oversight
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  • [01:35:54] <annath> hey all, does anyone have any experience installing a usb wifi adapter based on the realtek rtl8192CU chipset on a BBB running Ubuntu? I'm kind of stuck. I tried using the install package from realtek's website for that chipset, which has an install script. when I run it, it fails. Here is the most relevant part of the output (Everything before this succeeds): http://hastebin.com/hiwoketuso.vbs
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  • [06:24:47] <lkm> Hi...
  • [06:25:11] <lkm> is there a device tree concept in beaglebone...
  • [06:25:59] <LetoThe2nd> no windows, no gates, no concept.
  • [06:30:01] <lkm> then what does this file implies "am335x-bone-common.dtsi"..
  • [06:31:45] <_av500_> yes
  • [06:31:50] <_av500_> the bone uses DT
  • [06:33:48] <Vaizki> so my BBB now has 3.12 on it (from arch update), is this the big daddy update of kernels that TI has been pouring stuff into for the lst months?
  • [06:34:17] <_av500_> pouring?
  • [06:34:28] <_av500_> I thoight it was mre like trickle charging it
  • [06:34:31] <Vaizki> ok.. maybe a bad choice of words ;)
  • [06:35:00] <Vaizki> well everytime I asked for something like "will there be suspend/resume support" etc it was.. "maybe in 3.12, we're concentrating on that"
  • [06:35:30] <Vaizki> or maybe it was 3.10 or something else, which is why I asked
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  • [06:36:12] <_av500_> I dont know what TI concentrates on
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  • [06:38:53] <ynezz> next product of course
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  • [06:40:54] <magyarm> ^^ best answer
  • [06:41:02] <ynezz> Blueberry Rho $15 is going to be tough competition :p
  • [06:41:18] <Vaizki> yes well obviously they are not putting huge amounts of energy into BBB as a board but I'm mostly interested in the support for the am335x SoC and PMIC which is a platform they will likely keep around for a while
  • [06:41:50] <Vaizki> and power management is a big thing in mobile devices etc that they are targeting
  • [06:42:00] <ynezz> are they?
  • [06:42:07] <KotH> mobile devices died in omapgeddon
  • [06:42:12] <magyarm> I didn't think the am335x was targeting mobile
  • [06:42:13] <Vaizki> ok :)
  • [06:42:28] <magyarm> thought it was more vending machines / industrial machines
  • [06:42:41] <Vaizki> ok so solar powered coke machines then ;)
  • [06:42:48] <Vaizki> JUST GIVE ME MY SLEEPMODE!
  • [06:43:04] <magyarm> haha
  • [06:43:05] <ynezz> LPM4;
  • [06:43:24] <magyarm> I'd prefer usb hotplug working correctly
  • [06:43:41] <Vaizki> well yes and uSD hotplug too
  • [06:43:56] <magyarm> though, they did deliver some drivers for that... but doesn't completely work it seems
  • [06:46:10] <Vaizki> and if I can make requests for the BBB^2, 2 usb ports, HDMI 1080p60 and analog audio out. thanks!
  • [06:46:40] <Vaizki> I don't personally need them but most of the people using RasPis complain about those on the BBB.
  • [06:46:53] <KotH> Vaizki: if you want low power, go msp430
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  • [06:47:49] <Vaizki> I actually have a MSP430 and BBB hooked up together so that the MSP wakes up the BBB when it's needed. but currently that means going through a whole boot cycle.
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  • [06:53:14] <ynezz> Because of the Federal Goverment SHUTDOWN, All National IRC channels ARE closed.
  • [06:53:59] <ynezz> Please take your keyboards and go home, thank you.
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  • [06:58:42] <KotH> ynezz: good thing i'm european, we dont shutdown everything just because a few spoiled brats got into a sandbox fight
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  • [07:04:44] <sckkn> hi
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  • [07:07:17] <Vaizki> www.nasa.gov made me laugh
  • [07:07:31] <Vaizki> throw(toys)
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  • [07:08:51] <sckkn> hi I can't write /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots. I try echo enable-uart5 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots. This code return -bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
  • [07:09:37] <Vaizki> check your syslog
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  • [07:13:15] <sckkn> How can I check? ls /var/log btmp faillog journal lastlog old pacman.log wtmp Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old Xorg.1.log Xorg.1.log.old ?
  • [07:15:24] <Vaizki> ooookeeeey
  • [07:16:35] <Vaizki> try journalctl -n 100 for example :)
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  • [07:19:22] <sckkn> thank u Vaizki please look http://paste.laravel.com/VUa ?
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  • [07:27:25] <Vaizki> interesting. can't really help you.. looks like your kernel is missing stuff referenced by the device tree.
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  • [07:30:45] <sckkn> okey thank you so much. Best regards.
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  • [07:36:29] <ynezz> KotH: well, It doesn't necessarily means, that it couldn't happen here also :p
  • [07:37:02] <ynezz> but you're safe in your .ch sandbox
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  • [12:23:07] <vmayoral> I'm playing a bit with a Li-Po powered BB trying to connect a 5V signal to VDD_5V pins. My aim is to see if a 5V signal provided here could let me use the USB Host
  • [12:23:28] <vmayoral> there's a discussion about the BBB here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/beagleboard/5V$20boost$20converter/beagleboard/6hQ7voyk_Xw/z4ssmKMBkkQJ
  • [12:24:13] <vmayoral> as far as i understand it should work however it doesn't
  • [12:24:27] <vmayoral> the 5V at VDD_5V pins doesn't seem to be enough
  • [12:24:41] <vmayoral> anybody with experience on this could share some thoughts?
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  • [12:29:13] <bmatusiak_> vmayoral, take a picture of the connections
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  • [12:30:16] <DocScrutinizer05> Hi! I'm desperately searching for a *1GByte* RAM + $some NAND PoP chip for DM3730. I know such chips must exist, since Nokia N9 comes with 1GB of RAM. Any hints?
  • [12:30:39] <bmatusiak_> digi-key
  • [12:30:43] <DocScrutinizer05> haha
  • [12:30:47] <bmatusiak_> :P
  • [12:30:59] <DocScrutinizer05> part number?
  • [12:31:17] <bmatusiak_> ill take a look at the stock
  • [12:31:24] <bmatusiak_> part #
  • [12:32:03] <DocScrutinizer05> there "don't exist" chips with >512MB RAM
  • [12:32:34] <bmatusiak_> MT41K256M16HA-125
  • [12:32:41] <Anguel> hi! I am trying to load my BBB rootfs from my Ubuntu workstation but it does not work. I have added the following to my uEnv.txt: mmcargs=setenv bootargs console=${console} ${optargs} root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.23:${rootpath},${nfsopts} rw ip=dhcp
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  • [12:34:13] <DocScrutinizer05> bmatusiak_: thanks, but aiui this is a 4Gb (aka 512MB) chip
  • [12:34:26] <Anguel> error is: [ 3.937390] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.
  • [12:34:50] <vvu|Log> Anguel: are you sure your rootfs is good ?
  • [12:35:08] <Anguel> not 100% but I also see [ 0.779509] net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1
  • [12:35:13] <Anguel> is this normal?
  • [12:35:33] <bmatusiak_> DocScrutinizer05, you have to find something compareable to that
  • [12:35:49] <DocScrutinizer05> well, that's what I'm trying to do ;-)
  • [12:36:20] <Anguel> I thought I could just overwrite the mmcargs=...... line through my uEnv.txt. Is this ok?
  • [12:37:42] <DocScrutinizer05> I already wondered if we could design a tiny PCB to solder on top of DM3730, which in turn holds 2 of those 512MB RAM chips
  • [12:38:04] <bmatusiak_> DocScrutinizer05 MT41K512M16
  • [12:38:17] <bmatusiak_> search that on digikey
  • [12:39:33] <DocScrutinizer05> already did, thanks
  • [12:39:39] <DocScrutinizer05> seems it lacks NAND
  • [12:40:14] <DocScrutinizer05> I don't need much NAND, but a few MB for booting would be really nice
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  • [12:43:27] <DocScrutinizer05> aiui the DM3730CBP package has NAND balls on both top and bottom, so I might go for that 8Gb RAM PoP plus "discrete" NAND, right?
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  • [12:44:01] <DocScrutinizer05> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Memory_Vendor_Selection_Guide
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  • [12:44:39] <DocScrutinizer05> but I *really* would prefer a PoP that comes with 1GB RAM *plus* some NAND
  • [12:44:39] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: here it is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10096191/20131002_144159.jpg
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  • [12:47:41] <bmatusiak_> you behing a 5v regulator?
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  • [12:48:19] <vmayoral> yes, the 5V signal is being provided by this booster https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11231
  • [12:48:50] <bmatusiak_> send me a link to your SRM
  • [12:49:35] <bmatusiak_> i think i see the problem...
  • [12:49:43] <vmayoral> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SRM.pdf
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  • [12:52:16] <bmatusiak_> vmayoral, p9 pin 7 and 8 is your SYS_5V
  • [12:53:29] <bmatusiak_> looks like you connected to VDD_5V
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  • [12:54:16] <vmayoral> yes, you're right, didn't notice that
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  • [12:54:23] <vmayoral> weird
  • [12:54:36] <vmayoral> the schematics say it's the other way around
  • [12:55:06] <vmayoral> mmm
  • [12:55:10] <vmayoral> not all right
  • [12:55:12] <vmayoral> my mistake
  • [12:55:23] <bmatusiak_> so it working now?
  • [12:55:23] <vmayoral> you're right, 7 and 8 are SYS_5V
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  • [12:56:39] <vmayoral> they're connected for now to VDD_5V (5 and 6) and it doesn't work and if I do connect 5V to SYS_5V...
  • [12:56:59] <bmatusiak_> that is wierd
  • [12:57:26] <vmayoral> doesn't work either
  • [12:57:45] <vmayoral> i even tried putting 5V in both SYS_5V and VDD_5V
  • [12:58:04] <vmayoral> nothing still
  • [12:59:13] <vmayoral> it seems this works on the BBB (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/beagleboard/5V$20boost$20converter/beagleboard/6hQ7voyk_Xw/z4ssmKMBkkQJ), i'll try it tonight once i'm home but as far as i understand it should also work on the BB
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  • [13:03:43] <Anguel> vvu|Log: thanks, it was indeed the rootfs. Now I get to the login prompt but then -> beaglebone login: [ 120.199181] INFO: task systemd-journal:85 blocked for more than 60 seconds.
  • [13:04:38] <Anguel> and then a kernel panic
  • [13:04:48] <woglinde> anguel hm maybee network-manager waiting for ip adress
  • [13:05:28] <woglinde> Anguel so there is maybe a correaltion with your kernel message
  • [13:05:32] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: don't know if it's related but: SYS_5V=3.65 V (battery level), VDD_5V=4.65V (boost converter output)
  • [13:06:16] <bmatusiak_> seems low
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  • [13:06:43] <vmayoral> you mean the output from the boost converter?
  • [13:07:05] <Anguel> woglinde: aha, you mean connman is trying to get a new ip and that hangs the nfs?
  • [13:07:12] <bmatusiak_> vmayoral, no sys_5v
  • [13:07:42] <woglinde> anguel hm
  • [13:08:01] <woglinde> did not regonize you are using nfsroot
  • [13:08:43] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: well it's adopting the battery voltage level. Maybe that's the problem?
  • [13:09:17] <Anguel> yes, I added the following to my uEnv.txt to make BBB load rootfs from nfs: mmcargs=setenv bootargs console=${console} ${optargs} root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.23:${rootpath},${nfsopts} rw ip=dhcp
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  • [13:10:34] <Anguel> seems to boot fine but hangs at login prompt and spits out that [ 120.199181] INFO: task systemd-journal:85 blocked for more than 60 seconds.
  • [13:12:07] <KotH> ynezz: nope, it wont easily happen
  • [13:12:26] <KotH> ynezz: for one thing, we have more than two parties, hence one party cannot force a discussion to fail
  • [13:12:57] <Anguel> woglinde: removed connman.service from rootfs, can login now :)
  • [13:13:10] <bmatusiak_> vmayoral, VDD_5V is the only pin safe to supply voltage too
  • [13:13:13] <KotH> ynezz: for another, the infrastructure is independent of the parliament. as long as the parliament is working on some laws/regulations, the old ones are still in place and thus work continues
  • [13:13:56] <woglinde> anguel hm okay
  • [13:13:57] <woglinde> ;)
  • [13:14:13] <bmatusiak_> vmayoral, The SYS_5V rail is the main rail for the regulators on the main board
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  • [13:15:57] <Anguel> woglinde: yes, thank you for the hint, I remembered this link: http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php/BeagleBoneBlack_Building_Kernel#NFS_boot_failures
  • [13:16:19] <Anguel> woglinde: not very elegant but works...
  • [13:17:19] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: i see, thanks for the clarification. I'll read the TPS datasheet more carefully and see if i find the reason why SYS_5V is at the battery level and not at 5V
  • [13:19:18] <bmatusiak_> vmayoral, also i think you need a 100k resistor to BAT_TEMP.. (confident but not really sure)
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  • [13:20:10] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: yeap it's needed to simulate the battery temp. sensor but i believe that's just necessary for charging
  • [13:20:36] <vmayoral> you can power the board from a Li-Po cell without the 100k resistor :)
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  • [13:25:17] <DocScrutinizer05> anybody ever heard of a PoP chip called "110J1H0K" (combo memory on top of OMAP 8Gb SDRAM 4Gb NAND M3)
  • [13:25:54] <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/10/02/plasma-desktopFk3743.png
  • [13:26:56] <DocScrutinizer05> ...or anything compatible to that chip
  • [13:28:31] <dm8tbr> don't tell me you're trying to design that franken900 based on some OMAP?
  • [13:28:50] <DocScrutinizer05> sure
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  • [13:29:03] <DocScrutinizer05> on what else would we base it?
  • [13:29:15] <DocScrutinizer05> hi dm8tbr :-)
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  • [13:29:29] <dm8tbr> dunno, something a bit more future proof?
  • [13:29:47] <DocScrutinizer05> the problem: anything more future proof is less maemo proof
  • [13:29:56] <DocScrutinizer05> particularly fremantle proof
  • [13:30:26] <DocScrutinizer05> major design goal: binary compatibility
  • [13:30:28] <dm8tbr> although if price is not an issue, try to get OMAP5 chips, the design might even be open for the UEVM
  • [13:30:55] <dm8tbr> so the chip need so have broken Thumb2 too?
  • [13:31:06] <DocScrutinizer05> OMAP5 still hard to source, and I'm afraid it wouldn't play too nice with fremantle
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  • [13:31:27] <DocScrutinizer05> HAHA, no, we will happily use working thumb2
  • [13:32:10] <DocScrutinizer05> compatible improvements welcome
  • [13:32:12] <dm8tbr> nuhu, good luck then. best you'll get is a 4470 then I guess.
  • [13:32:22] <DocScrutinizer05> no major design changes though
  • [13:33:07] <DocScrutinizer05> the whole project based on existing and debigged&working GTA04 board
  • [13:33:15] <DocScrutinizer05> debugged*
  • [13:33:41] <DocScrutinizer05> and that's DM3730CBPD100
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  • [13:34:14] <DocScrutinizer05> we just try to squeeze as much as possible from it
  • [13:34:41] <DocScrutinizer05> so: 1TGB RAM + >=256MB NAND PoP would be a dream
  • [13:34:46] <DocScrutinizer05> -T
  • [13:35:30] <DocScrutinizer05> we already pondered NAND-less design, but that for sure breaks lots of properties relevant for fremantle
  • [13:36:11] <DocScrutinizer05> and users mad for RAM, we probably won't get away with "only" 512MB
  • [13:36:25] <DocScrutinizer05> seems 1GB RAM is a key feature
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  • [13:36:57] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: solved! After checking that DC_IN was 5V it got really weird so i decided to review the the booster datasheet. That was it. It seems that i was not enough current. I'll dig a bit more though. Thanks!
  • [13:37:09] <DocScrutinizer05> dm8tbr: this is a ultra-low funded project, no way to go for leete new stuff
  • [13:38:00] <DocScrutinizer05> dm8tbr: quite unusual for me, but this time I have to pick components not by specs but by availability and compatibility to an OS
  • [13:38:28] <DocScrutinizer05> dm8tbr: it's not like I was too dull to figure a really leete modern design
  • [13:38:28] <bmatusiak_> vmayoral, YAY! i knew it was low
  • [13:39:26] <DocScrutinizer05> dm8tbr: omap4 already doesn't fit into available volume, mechanically
  • [13:40:42] <DocScrutinizer05> (plus I don't really like OMAP4 after all the secret SiErr I heard of, during my time at ST-E)
  • [13:41:34] <DocScrutinizer05> "WONTFIX in OMAP$, scheduled fix OMAP5" X-P
  • [13:41:42] <DocScrutinizer05> s/$/4/
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  • [13:50:56] <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer05: same went for omap3, lots of stuff there never fixed, but addressed in omap4. it's always a n+1 game
  • [13:51:31] <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, but the SiErr in OMAP3 were worked around in N900 design and fremantle
  • [13:51:47] <DocScrutinizer05> while the SiErr in OMAP4 are... terribly nasty
  • [13:52:05] <DocScrutinizer05> and basically we found no real workaround for them
  • [13:52:46] <dm8tbr> then you'd need to go back to a 3430 design and not 3630
  • [13:52:52] <DocScrutinizer05> when hw doesn't behave according to a interface protocol, all you can do is break the protocol specs, and that's not really an option
  • [13:53:06] <dm8tbr> as 3630 had quite different errata
  • [13:53:16] <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, well
  • [13:53:26] <DocScrutinizer05> I hope it won't bite us
  • [13:54:03] <dm8tbr> at which point, latest, your whole exercise starts to look really weird, as there is essentially no gain in it
  • [13:54:04] <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, omap4 is no option, omap5 not even a possibility
  • [13:54:39] <DocScrutinizer05> I'd rather be interested in finding that phantom chip with 1GB of RAM
  • [13:55:12] <dm8tbr> ask the usual vendors. micron etc
  • [13:55:19] <DocScrutinizer05> dm8tbr: the gain is that we get new N900
  • [13:55:31] <DocScrutinizer05> everything on top is a bonus
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  • [13:55:48] <dm8tbr> that can be had cheaper off ebay I'd argue
  • [13:55:50] <DocScrutinizer05> this is NOT about evolution
  • [13:55:53] <honestly> new N900?
  • [13:55:56] <honestly> where?
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  • [13:56:23] <honestly> with android support? please?
  • [13:56:50] <DocScrutinizer05> dm8tbr: we're not arguing the rationale for doing that project. seems there's a market for it, and I personally would like such a device
  • [13:57:10] <dm8tbr> on a 3430 I'd not try anything beyond Gingerbread
  • [13:57:45] <DocScrutinizer05> GTA04 already exists, we slightly modify it to cram it into a case that'S actually available. End of rationale
  • [13:58:11] <DocScrutinizer05> honestly: we don't support anything, we build hw
  • [13:58:45] <DocScrutinizer05> honestly: we don't have a sw team, we couldn't afford any
  • [13:58:49] <honestly> as long as that hw has firmware and drivers that properly support linux I'm game
  • [13:58:59] <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
  • [13:59:04] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: so, you are doing over the wall engineering?
  • [13:59:06] <_av500_> OMAP3 based Android stuff does exist
  • [13:59:17] <_av500_> its just not fun any more
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  • [13:59:42] <_av500_> but sure, your xterm witl blink a cursor happily
  • [13:59:54] <DocScrutinizer05> KotH: no, we do open engineering
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  • [14:00:16] <honestly> DocScrutinizer05: wow, that looks like a cool project
  • [14:00:59] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: in my experience, if a hw team has no sw guy to look over the design, it will usually contain lots of quirks in sw that could have been very simple to solve in hw
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  • [14:01:33] <_av500_> dm8tbr: somehow I am am reminded of how the PMA4 was Zaurus binary compatible
  • [14:01:37] <_av500_> +00
  • [14:02:01] <dm8tbr> _av500_: ugh...
  • [14:02:10] <dm8tbr> port-a-potty galore!
  • [14:02:24] <_av500_> ipk hacking > xda hacking
  • [14:02:39] <dm8tbr> yeah, but not much more
  • [14:03:11] <dm8tbr> openPMA was essentially a custom rom before it was cool. that's how hipster we were ;)
  • [14:03:32] <dm8tbr> although we did fix that nasty HDD bug...
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  • [14:05:03] <DocScrutinizer05> KotH: that guy will be me
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  • [14:07:21] <DocScrutinizer05> KotH: actually that's my main professional competence: ambassador between hw and sw
  • [14:08:46] <DocScrutinizer05> don't waste money on complicated chips when same thing is easy to implement in sw. Don't miss to take care of hw bits that significantly simplify sw development and system performance
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  • [14:09:44] <DocScrutinizer05> like e.g. IRQ driven design, for the latter
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  • [14:27:33] <bmatusiak_> anybody here know how to create a device tree?
  • [14:30:43] <mru> take a bunch of devices and nail them together in the shape of a tree
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  • [14:32:23] <bmatusiak_> a little less sarcasm
  • [14:32:32] <das> fine, use device seeds
  • [14:32:50] <bmatusiak_> there we go
  • [14:32:50] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: i've done some stuff with them, i'd recommend you to take a look at https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1#heading=h.j4ega7pcz5c
  • [14:33:17] <KotH> bmatusiak_: just read the docs, use the files that are around as examples and you should do that yourself
  • [14:33:50] <KotH> bmatusiak_: if you have a little experience with linux, you'll be ready in an hour or two, with no experience it takes about half a day
  • [14:34:00] <KotH> bmatusiak_: but you have to read them _yourself_
  • [14:34:46] <KotH> panto: didnt your DT doc go to some more prominent place on elinux or so?
  • [14:34:53] <bmatusiak_> understood i have a dts already i dont know if its currectly setup
  • [14:35:05] <bmatusiak_> or if im missing anything
  • [14:35:23] <KotH> if you have a DT, then it means it's setup
  • [14:35:24] <vmayoral> bmatusiak_: take a look at Jason Kridner's example then https://github.com/vmayoral/validation-scripts/tree/master/test-capemgr
  • [14:35:24] <woglinde> just find our
  • [14:35:37] <woglinde> out even
  • [14:35:45] <KotH> bmatusiak_: you have to read the DT and see whether it contains the stuff you need or not
  • [14:35:54] <KotH> bmatusiak_: and for that you need to understand its structure
  • [14:38:06] <Anguel> hm, now that I have mounted my rootfs via nfs, how can I access my uEnv.txt that is on my eMMC? I tried mounting mmcblk0p2 but I don't see any files in its /media/BEAGLEBONE directory
  • [14:40:42] <KotH> maybe it's not the right partition?
  • [14:40:47] <KotH> or the mount failed
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  • [14:41:01] <KotH> check the output of `mount` (without parameters)
  • [14:42:24] <Anguel> KotH: yes, solved it, the uEnv.txt is on mmcblk0p1
  • [14:42:31] <Anguel> thanks
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  • [14:44:28] <woglinde> hi crofton
  • [14:44:52] <woglinde> hm oh only reconnect
  • [14:46:30] <Crofton> yeah
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  • [14:53:06] <DocScrutinizer05> hi woglinde
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  • [14:59:09] <DocScrutinizer05> bmatusiak_: aiui from http://www.micron.com/~/media/Documents/Products/Data%2520Sheet/DRAM/DDR3L-RS_8Gb_x16_2CS_TwinDie_V80A.pdf%2BMT41K512 this chip is DDR3, while DM3730 needs LPDDR1 ( http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Memory_Vendor_Selection_Guide ). Would that chip be compatible nevertheless to DM3730?
  • [15:00:23] <bmatusiak_> not too exactly sure
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  • [15:00:46] <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
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  • [15:07:27] <Anguel> I have built a qt-embedded sdk, however the resulting rootfs under /sysroots/beaglebone seems incomplete. is this meant to be merged with the systemd rootfs?
  • [15:11:18] <KotH> o_0
  • [15:11:25] <KotH> you only have one rootfs
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  • [15:11:39] <KotH> and systemd is just a daemon, not a system definition
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  • [15:11:47] <KotH> and definitly nothing that provides a rootfs
  • [15:12:04] <KotH> woglinde: btw: bist du ende monat in edinburgh?
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  • [15:17:24] <Anguel> KotH: sorry, I meant this rootfs: Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.09.12.rootfs.tar.xz
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  • [15:18:13] <KotH> Anguel: uhmm...
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  • [15:18:23] <KotH> Anguel: i dont know whether this is the right approach
  • [15:19:06] <KotH> Anguel: qt apps are c++ apps, this means you need to have the libs with the same version installe, that have been compiled with the same g++ version you have used for your application. otherwise you cannot ensure that your application is working correctly
  • [15:19:43] <KotH> Anguel: i.e. you want to integrate your application into the build system of your meta-distro you are using, be it angstr?m, buildroot, debian or whatever you want to use
  • [15:19:58] <KotH> Anguel: i usually recomend buildroot, because it's the most simple to get up and running
  • [15:20:50] <Anguel> KotH: I built the Qt SDK with bitbake exactly as described here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/toolchains/ but this gives me an incomplete rootfs in /tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/sysroots/beaglebone
  • [15:21:19] <KotH> Anguel: sorry, i dont know anything about angstr?m
  • [15:21:56] <woglinde> koth no
  • [15:22:05] <woglinde> I am learning
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  • [15:22:19] <Anguel> KotH: vielen dank trotzdem :)
  • [15:23:10] <KotH> kein problem :)
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  • [15:25:17] <Anguel> btw, where is koen? :)
  • [15:25:26] <_av500_> honeymoon
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  • [15:26:45] <Anguel> omg, we are lost - did they all get married? zubair who is doing the adc drivers is also doing the same
  • [15:27:17] <_av500_> yes
  • [15:27:21] <_av500_> group mariage
  • [15:27:28] <_av500_> +r
  • [15:27:39] <_av500_> Reverend Moon presiding
  • [15:27:45] <Anguel> :)
  • [15:29:02] <Anguel> and the irc logfiles are also not working
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  • [15:31:24] <Anguel> KotH: what linux are you using?
  • [15:31:44] <ogra_> the one from torvalds :)
  • [15:32:06] <KotH> Anguel: on embedded systems? buildroot
  • [15:32:58] <Anguel> KotH: seems to be nicer than openembedded
  • [15:34:00] <KotH> Anguel: it is less fancy
  • [15:34:14] <KotH> Anguel: OE does a lot of stuff for you, while you do that by hand in buildroot
  • [15:34:25] <KotH> Anguel: but at the same time, it makes buildroot easier to modify for your needs
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  • [15:34:39] <KotH> Anguel: both have their target audiences
  • [15:34:57] <Anguel> well, oe throws results in a temp dir and you can digg through it an guess what is where and why
  • [15:35:15] <KotH> hmm?
  • [15:35:18] <KotH> sounds counter intuitive
  • [15:35:24] <KotH> i'm sure it ends up somehwere more prominent
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  • [15:36:37] <Anguel> not from what I have seen or read so far
  • [15:37:55] <Anguel> maybe koen can give some hints when he is back
  • [15:38:06] <KotH> dont expect him to be back soon
  • [15:38:54] <Anguel> soon? months?
  • [15:39:33] <KotH> years
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  • [15:40:21] <Anguel> looks like there are no other angstrom / oe experts around here
  • [15:40:37] <Anguel> or they don't talk much :)
  • [15:40:50] <KotH> there are very few experts here, in general :)
  • [15:40:51] <georgem> OE is pretty cool but I still like ptxdist better
  • [15:41:04] <georgem> At least for the moment
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  • [15:41:26] <georgem> Its just so much easier to tell WTF its doing
  • [15:41:53] <Anguel> georgem: I am new to everything so I thought it would be the best to stick with Angstrom and OE :/
  • [15:42:07] <scottk201> I am currently thinking about using the BeagleBone black along with some accelorometers, are there any problems with the resolution of the data? I would be using the triple axis accelerometer
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  • [15:42:24] <georgem> Anguel: Yeah. Its probably best to stick with it just because OE is becoming quite mainstream
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  • [15:43:27] <georgem> Anguel: I was using ptxdist when OE was still in diapers so I've been reluctant to transition
  • [15:43:45] <Anguel> georgem: it actually seems to work quite well, has not refused building any of the recipes I tried, just don't know what exactly it produces and how you can combine that with other recipes
  • [15:44:13] <KotH> scottk201: bbb does not care about your data
  • [15:44:24] <KotH> scottk201: you can use whatever resolution you want to use
  • [15:44:48] <ant_work> Anguel: you are inspecting the beaglebone sysroot used during build :/ The SDK should be under /deploy ;)
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  • [15:44:58] <georgem> Anguel: It does work well. The biggest problem I have is trying to figure out exactly what its doing. The chained together repositories / recipes make for quite a mess to untangle
  • [15:46:22] <scottk201> KotH: the accelerometers would output 12 bits of resolution, I was informed that BBB only has a 10 bit input
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  • [15:47:07] <georgem> For instance one time after building Angstrom successfully I thought. Let me see if I can find where the linux kernel version being used is specified. I think it took me like 2 hours to find it. In ptxdist its set in a text file in the root directory of your workspace.
  • [15:47:38] <georgem> And you can change it with Kconfig
  • [15:48:17] <georgem> And if I had to go find it again it would probably still take me an hour to find
  • [15:49:03] <Anguel> ant_work: you mean this one /usr/local/oecore-x86_64/sysroots/armv7a-vfp-neon-angstrom-linux-gnueabi ?
  • [15:49:26] <KotH> scottk201: this information is wrong
  • [15:50:01] <KotH> scottk201: your accelerometer uses probably i2c or spi, the bbb does not care what kind of data you have, it doesnt even care how long it is, you just have to write the software to handle it correctly
  • [15:50:13] <ant_work> Anguel: I mean the image is under /tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/deploy
  • [15:50:40] <KotH> scottk201: for more information read the TRM on spi and i2c and the linux kernel documentation on i2c and spi
  • [15:50:49] <scottk201> KotH: would you say writing the software would be too difficult for a novice?
  • [15:51:02] <KotH> scottk201: depends on what kind of novice you are
  • [15:51:24] <Anguel> ant_work: I am looking for the rootfs
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  • [15:52:24] <ant_work> you are confusing things
  • [15:52:29] <ant_work> on ething is the sdk
  • [15:52:36] <KotH> scottk201: i know guys who've been writing c code for >15 years and still cannot write a ring buffer without dozens of bugs. on the other hand, i know guys who didnt know programming at all and started writing video codecs, and were successful
  • [15:52:37] <ant_work> other are the 'images' = rootfs
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  • [15:53:39] <scottk201> KotH: that is somewhat helpful thanks for the help. Leaving now
  • [15:53:48] <KotH> scottk201: have fun coding :)
  • [15:54:44] <Anguel> ant_work: ok, I am looking for the files :)
  • [15:55:26] <Anguel> ant_work: to access via nfs
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  • [16:20:17] <nibudd> I'm trying to find a way to access the BeagleBone's U
  • [16:20:32] <nibudd> *USB port. Can anyone point me in the right direction of how that might be done?
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  • [16:21:04] <mru> *board
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  • [16:22:34] <DocScrutinizer05> KotH: ot question - I see you're +O in accesslist (sth that freenode deprecates) but not +o in the channel. How that?
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  • [16:25:54] <DocScrutinizer05> KotH: tip: you can drop own +O on accesslist, even when you're not +f
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  • [16:27:14] <DocScrutinizer05> don't mess it up and accidentally drop +o on accesslist though! ;-)
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  • [16:33:27] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: i dont like to be +o when not needed
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  • [16:35:17] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: and if you had a look at the access list, you would have noticed that i cannot change it
  • [16:36:40] <DocScrutinizer05> I had a look at access list, that's why I wondered why you are not +o in chan despite +O (auto-op) in accesslist. And yes, you *can* drop own privileges on access list, always
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  • [16:37:41] <DocScrutinizer05> actually freedone suggests as well _not_ to use +O
  • [16:37:49] <DocScrutinizer05> freenode even
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  • [16:39:40] <DocScrutinizer05> /cs help flags
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  • [16:40:16] <DocScrutinizer05> >>+o grants +O<<<
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  • [16:40:55] <DocScrutinizer05> means as long as you're +o on accesslist, you can set and unset +O on your own
  • [16:44:21] <DocScrutinizer05> /msg ChanServ FLAGS #beagle KotH -O
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  • [16:51:02] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: You are not authorized to execute this command.
  • [16:51:10] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: read the docu on the access list commands again
  • [16:51:52] <DocScrutinizer05> orly? I already wondered why it didn't work ;-P Nah, I posted it for your convenience
  • [16:52:25] <DocScrutinizer05> since _you_ are allowed to execute that command
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  • [16:53:28] * KotH nods
  • [16:53:43] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: just for the record, i'm not new to irc
  • [16:53:43] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-10-02 18:39:11] [Notice] -ChanServ- If you are not a founder, you may only manipulate flags you
  • [16:53:45] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-10-02 18:39:11] [Notice] -ChanServ- have yourself, and may not edit users that have flags you
  • [16:53:46] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-10-02 18:39:11] [Notice] -ChanServ- don't have. For this purpose, +v grants +V, +o grants +O
  • [16:53:48] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-10-02 18:39:11] [Notice] -ChanServ- and +r grants +b.
  • [16:53:51] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: neither am i new to freenodes chanserv
  • [16:54:03] * DocScrutinizer05 neither
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  • [16:56:25] <DocScrutinizer05> I just wondered why you have all +O on accesslist while obviously you don't want to be always +o in channel
  • [16:57:03] <DocScrutinizer05> (which is what freenode suggests)
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  • [16:59:50] <KotH> because we happend to end up with +O
  • [17:00:09] <KotH> it's like why we all speak english instead of japanese
  • [17:01:46] <honestly> DocScrutinizer05: this channel doesn't adhere to freenode convention in that regard
  • [17:02:44] <honestly> ophat is used to mark on-duty staff
  • [17:02:50] <honestly> wait
  • [17:02:53] <honestly> fuck
  • [17:02:57] <honestly> I'm in the wrong channel
  • [17:03:03] * KotH nods
  • [17:03:15] <KotH> now please leave before you mess up the n00bs ;-)
  • [17:03:34] <honestly> lol
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  • [17:07:01] <DocScrutinizer05> nevermind, it's just I been worried about your comfort, not to deop yourself each time you join. Not that it matters in any regard
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  • [17:23:43] <KotH> DocScrutinizer05: uhmm... unless freenode kicks me out, i'm online
  • [17:23:54] <KotH> and dont worry about my confort
  • [17:24:03] <KotH> things like this are of no concern
  • [17:24:27] <KotH> customers or suppliers on the other hand... i wouldnt mind if you could get rid of some of those
  • [17:24:50] <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
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  • [17:58:55] <DocScrutinizer05> bmatusiak_: aiui the MT41K512 isn't available in 168p CBP PoP package?
  • [18:00:40] <bmatusiak_> mabe think about building a cape to add another 2gb?
  • [18:00:49] <bmatusiak_> o wait
  • [18:00:51] <bmatusiak_> memory
  • [18:01:05] <bmatusiak_> yea and memory
  • [18:01:23] <bmatusiak_> that would be inpossible
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  • [18:05:06] <DocScrutinizer05> I already pondered building a piggyback PCB that goes in between OMAP and PoP and extends the memory bus to place another 512MB RAM on the 2nd CS signal. But that won't filt into the case - too high :-/
  • [18:06:15] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm also worried about reflow for such contraption
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  • [18:29:12] <DocScrutinizer05> actually it seems there *might* be a chip that offers 1GByte RAM on PoP-168-vfbga: NT6TL256T32AS - I'm still wondering if it really meets the DM3730 memory bus specs
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  • [18:29:53] <_av500_> check the TRM
  • [18:29:58] <_av500_> and try it
  • [18:30:04] <_av500_> we found that combination to work best
  • [18:30:06] <DocScrutinizer05> lol@#2
  • [18:30:20] <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, sure
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  • [18:30:42] <DocScrutinizer05> check TRM is a tedious work
  • [18:31:02] <DocScrutinizer05> I know there's no way around it in the end
  • [18:31:28] <DocScrutinizer05> except some other users hollering "WFM"
  • [18:31:55] <_av500_> seriously, we found that we have to qualify all the RAM we used
  • [18:32:07] <DocScrutinizer05> you always have to
  • [18:32:25] <DocScrutinizer05> wonderful world of component sourcing
  • [18:32:49] <DocScrutinizer05> a breeze
  • [18:33:00] <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
  • [18:33:32] <DocScrutinizer05> couldn't TI put a few more chips on their QML
  • [18:33:33] <_av500_> also be prepared for any POP to go away overnight
  • [18:33:40] <_av500_> because the vendor got bored
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  • [18:33:48] <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, been there seen that
  • [18:33:51] <_av500_> or you did not order 100k
  • [18:34:01] <DocScrutinizer05> *cough*
  • [18:34:05] <DocScrutinizer05> -k
  • [18:34:44] <DocScrutinizer05> or you order 500k and get the chip custom made like that friggin phantom chip Nokia using in their N9
  • [18:35:28] <_av500_> or that
  • [18:35:30] <DocScrutinizer05> 110J1H0K
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  • [18:35:44] <DocScrutinizer05> nobody ever heard of that chip
  • [18:35:52] <_av500_> but hey, as a dead horse beater, you knew what you were up against...
  • [18:35:54] <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless it exists
  • [18:36:03] <DocScrutinizer05> yep :-P
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  • [18:36:54] <DocScrutinizer05> I seriously pondered buying broken/used N9 and recovering chips from them ;-D
  • [18:37:26] <DocScrutinizer05> for the batch volume we aim at, it would be actually kinda feasible
  • [18:37:41] <dm8tbr> contact nokia and offer to buy their surplus ;)
  • [18:37:46] <DocScrutinizer05> but then, reball those chips, eeew
  • [18:38:01] <DocScrutinizer05> dm8tbr: hey, that's actually no bad idea
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  • [18:38:28] <DocScrutinizer05> (for the chips that must still rot somewhere in the fab)
  • [18:38:40] <_av500_> scrapped long ago
  • [18:38:44] <DocScrutinizer05> prolly
  • [18:38:48] <_av500_> somebody ebay'ed the box
  • [18:38:53] <dm8tbr> :D
  • [18:38:56] <DocScrutinizer05> storage shelf space is expensive
  • [18:39:57] <DocScrutinizer05> damn it, I'm temped to say "screw those 1GB of RAM demands"
  • [18:40:25] <DocScrutinizer05> "512MB it is, take it or leave it"
  • [18:41:31] <_av500_> n900 had 1GB?
  • [18:41:42] <DocScrutinizer05> but hey, 1GB RAM PoP NT6TL256T32AS plus discrete NAND sounds feasible - if the RAM works
  • [18:41:56] <DocScrutinizer05> _av500_: had 256MB X-P
  • [18:42:12] <DocScrutinizer05> _av500_: but you know users
  • [18:42:32] <DocScrutinizer05> "WUT???!? *ONLY* 512MB RAM??"
  • [18:42:34] <_av500_> omap3 can drive 1GB?
  • [18:42:37] <DocScrutinizer05> yep
  • [18:42:42] <_av500_> you sure?
  • [18:42:48] <_av500_> as in somebody tested it ever?
  • [18:42:50] <DocScrutinizer05> 2 CS for two banks a 256
  • [18:42:58] <DocScrutinizer05> N9 :-)
  • [18:43:11] <_av500_> thats 3630
  • [18:43:37] <DocScrutinizer05> yeahm and our franken900 is 3730
  • [18:43:43] <_av500_> same
  • [18:43:47] <_av500_> 36xx =27xx
  • [18:43:52] <_av500_> 36xx =37xx
  • [18:43:56] <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
  • [18:44:13] <_av500_> so yes, 36xx can, 34/35 could not I think
  • [18:44:15] <_av500_> but not sure
  • [18:44:24] <_av500_> so many erata, so little time
  • [18:44:24] <DocScrutinizer05> no, it can't afaik
  • [18:44:30] <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
  • [18:44:49] <DocScrutinizer05> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Memory_Vendor_Selection_Guide
  • [18:45:10] <DocScrutinizer05> ooops, both the same
  • [18:45:52] <DocScrutinizer05> max addr/CS:256, #CS:2
  • [18:46:02] <DocScrutinizer05> for omap35, DM37
  • [18:46:18] <DocScrutinizer05> err, nonsense
  • [18:46:29] <DocScrutinizer05> s/256/4Gb/
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  • [18:47:30] <DocScrutinizer05> seems all OMAP3xxx have 8Gb addr space total
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  • [18:48:31] <DocScrutinizer05> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Memory_Vendor_Selection_Guide#DRAM_Selection
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  • [18:51:12] <DocScrutinizer05> the more it puzzles me that somebody made a chip with 8Gb density but nobody ever officially sold it
  • [18:51:38] <DocScrutinizer05> this damn critter: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/10/02/plasma-desktopFk3743.png
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  • [18:53:40] <DocScrutinizer05> >>D5000 combo memory on top of OMAP 8Gb SDRAM 4Gb NAND M3<<
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  • [19:01:43] <Snazz> Just got my beaglebone black today, But my Win8 laptop isn't recognizing it. "Unknown Device" in device manager. Any suggestions?
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  • [19:03:20] <dm8tbr> hmm, dunno about win8, but win7 works AFAIU
  • [19:03:43] <indigo_b> Hi
  • [19:05:02] <indigo_b> Anybody tried gui ubuntu desktop 13.04 Raring desktop on BBB
  • [19:05:24] <dm8tbr> I'm sure somebody tried
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  • [19:07:58] <Snazz> Odd, just plugged it into my Win7 laptop, same story, not recognized
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  • [19:23:59] <Snazz> LOL
  • [19:24:14] <Snazz> My problem was the cable, not the bbb. The cable that shipped with it was bad
  • [19:24:23] <DocScrutinizer05> LOL indeed
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  • [19:24:30] <Snazz> noticed when it said "Unrecognized device" when I only had the cable connected, not the bbb
  • [19:24:41] <DocScrutinizer05> haha
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  • [20:14:54] <KeeganW> Hello all, does anybody know what the analog to digital converter resolution is on the BeagleBone Black? Is there a document I have missed somewhere which outlines this?
  • [20:15:45] <_av500_> the TRM
  • [20:16:01] <_av500_> its 5000 pages, hard to miss
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  • [22:30:52] <N2TOH> KyleYankan, were you the one in Philly?
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  • [22:31:48] <KyleYankan> N2TOH: yep
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  • [22:33:22] <N2TOH> I took a look at your local hackerspace page, other then the few pics of sand casting. what other types of metal work does your group do?
  • [22:34:49] <KyleYankan> Not a ton, we're not really set up for large-scale projects
  • [22:34:54] <KyleYankan> and projects are individual
  • [22:35:21] <N2TOH> I get that it's not a job shop, and most likely are one off projects
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  • [23:21:09] <bmatusiak_> i give up on attaching a spi device to my bbb
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  • [23:24:12] <bmatusiak_> the device tree doc VS the examples are to bewildering
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  • [23:38:42] <DocScrutinizer05> DT seems to be real fun
  • [23:39:12] <DocScrutinizer05> our (maemo) kernel hackers are also swearing
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  • [23:47:36] <bmatusiak_> lol well adding a SPI device shouldn't be hard