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  • [02:46:44] <chris_> gajhiwojhnefwoivaivoueawonicpfuewvhniuieqg
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  • [03:04:40] <SpeedEvil> is that German?
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  • [05:11:43] <toobluesc> Anyone had good luck with the pruss on bbb on v3.8 kernel?
  • [05:12:01] <toobluesc> I have code that triggers IRQs in the PRU firmware
  • [05:12:24] <toobluesc> I have a kernel module that did irq_request for the given host IRQ
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  • [05:12:26] <toobluesc> but it never fires
  • [05:12:33] <toobluesc> used to work on the v3.2 kernel
  • [05:12:43] <toobluesc> I suspect some kernel IRQ stuff changed rather then the PRU itself
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  • [05:12:55] <toobluesc> cat /proc/interrupts shows my IRQ with 0 count
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  • [05:20:11] <kitarousa> Hello
  • [05:20:22] <kitarousa> I have a question about GPIO in beaglebone
  • [05:20:50] <kitarousa> Is there anyway to read or write 32 bit or 8 bit with GPIO
  • [05:20:58] <kitarousa> instead of only 0 or 1
  • [05:21:16] <kitarousa> thanks
  • [05:23:45] <toobluesc> kitarousa: not that I'm aware of, not using the kernel's gpiolib at least
  • [05:24:21] <toobluesc> The GPIO hw registers would let you set/clr multiple bits in a single write, but I don't think you can do that without hacking it
  • [05:24:31] <toobluesc> and assuming they are on the same GPIO bank
  • [05:24:48] <magyarm> could you memory map the gpio registers and do it that way?
  • [05:25:26] <kitarousa> I have not tried memory map
  • [05:25:28] <toobluesc> magyarm: you could open /dev/mem and do that, but now you're doing stuff behind the kernel's back (aka hack)
  • [05:27:36] <magyarm> if hacking it is ok, the starterware will probably help: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare
  • [05:27:58] <toobluesc> If you're running starterware you're probably in better shape
  • [05:28:23] <magyarm> would it possible to write your own kernel module that does the memory map access to gpio ports?
  • [05:28:25] <toobluesc> Or you could use the PRU, but that's a big task
  • [05:28:44] <toobluesc> magyarm: gpiolib in the kernel manges the gpios for all SOCs, and it doesn't support what you want to do
  • [05:28:55] <toobluesc> so you'd still ahve to hack around behind gpiolib's back
  • [05:29:22] <toobluesc> Checkout https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio.txt
  • [05:29:25] <kitarousa> maybe hacking is only choice
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  • [05:29:38] <kitarousa> I have read the GPIO kernel documentation
  • [05:29:48] <kitarousa> it just support 0 and 1
  • [05:29:51] <toobluesc> Potentially
  • [05:30:14] <toobluesc> The more "proper" approach might be to modify gpiolib to let you set contiguous blocks like you want to do
  • [05:30:23] <magyarm> toobluesc I know, just thinking out loud about ways to do port writes
  • [05:31:50] <magyarm> if a gpio isn't exported, will gpiolib still manage it?
  • [05:32:41] <toobluesc> If you were to do it in kernel and directly access the ports, at least do the (devm_/pinctrl_)_gpio_request() so you can be sure that nobody else is using the GPIOs you are messing with, nor are they going to request and use them later
  • [05:32:53] <toobluesc> gpiolib manges _all_ gpios for a SOC
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  • [05:36:54] <toobluesc> kitarousa: are you trying to bit bang something?
  • [05:37:17] <magyarm> so after gpiolib requests are run so they can't be called on later, why not then memory map the gpio bank register you want and do byte size (or greater) writes? I'm coming from a more microcontroller background, and teaching myself more the embedded linux side, so apologies if the question is silly
  • [05:39:08] <toobluesc> magyarm: that's what i was suggesting as the most reasonable hack that's pretty safe
  • [05:39:43] <toobluesc> as long as you request them from gpio lib you know that no other code is using them now or int he future, so then it's pretty safe to modify them
  • [05:40:02] <toobluesc> just make sure you use SET_DATAOUT and CLEAR_DATAOUT so you don't clobber adjacent bits
  • [05:40:20] <toobluesc> the part that is a hack is that you're still doing stuff behind gpiolib's back, but it should be pretty safe at that point.
  • [05:41:22] <magyarm> toobluesc: that makes sense. thank you for explaining
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  • [05:41:55] <toobluesc> magyarm: another idea might be to use the PRU's gpios
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  • [05:42:12] <toobluesc> no kernel modules manage those after you switch the pinmux
  • [05:42:31] <toobluesc> then you could do a userspace PRU firmware that could do what you want on the PRU core
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  • [05:44:18] <magyarm> the PRU has been on my list of things to learn. Sounds like a fun project to do so. I don't actually have an application for any of this right now, just jumped on kitarousa 's question since it sounded interesting to me
  • [05:46:00] <toobluesc> looks like the PRU has 16 GPIOs that are directly accessible by it
  • [05:46:13] <toobluesc> The PRU is a blessing and a curse :)
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  • [05:48:52] <toobluesc> now if only I could figure out why my interrupt controller is semi broken
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  • [05:58:05] <KotH> greetings earthlings
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  • [06:00:26] <toobluesc> hi
  • [06:00:46] <toobluesc> It appear something in the kernel is INTC_MIR0
  • [06:00:57] <toobluesc> messing with INTC_MIR0 *
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  • [06:20:22] <panto> morn
  • [06:20:41] <kitarousa> magyarm, toobluesc, thanks for your answer
  • [06:20:41] <toobluesc> evenin'
  • [06:20:50] <toobluesc> kitarousa: np, good luck!
  • [06:20:53] <kitarousa> I will take a look on PRU
  • [06:21:19] <toobluesc> if you are trying to bitbang a parallel interface the PRU is probably the best tool, but painful to get going
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  • [07:00:56] <fgf> helloo.....from where can i get cross compiler for my BBB...I am using Ubuntu 11.04 in my PC...
  • [07:01:50] <KotH> fgf: what buildsystem do you use?
  • [07:02:12] <fgf> buildsystem means...???
  • [07:02:14] <KotH> fgf: if you use buildroot, angstr?m or the like, they come with their own cross compiler
  • [07:02:54] <keesj> are there A9 or dual core cpu's on the ti roadmap or is that all dead?
  • [07:04:29] <ynezz> octacore
  • [07:04:36] <KotH> keesj: ask your friendly TI sales person
  • [07:05:14] <keesj> I don'have any
  • [07:05:25] <KotH> keesj: then find one using ti.com
  • [07:05:29] <KotH> keesj: there is a list of them
  • [07:05:36] <keesj> you are all I have
  • [07:05:55] <KotH> now, calling me a sales person is a major insult!
  • [07:05:59] <keesj> (and want)
  • [07:06:11] <KotH> sorry dude, but i dont swing that way
  • [07:06:56] <keesj> it is not such a weird question. I guess I can ask "is there going to be a dual core beagle?"
  • [07:07:16] <keesj> or "shall we make one?"
  • [07:07:21] <KotH> make one
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  • [07:49:12] <blaaa> keesj: ask tom flanagan
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  • [07:51:36] <keesj> k
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  • [08:15:27] <Iyappan> Hi All
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  • [08:15:55] <Iyappan> Could u send me the MSP430 + Camera compitable board
  • [08:16:01] <beagle> who know how can i fix validate error
  • [08:16:25] <av500> what?
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  • [08:40:28] <vin_> i want .iso file of angstrom OS
  • [08:40:36] <vin_> where can i get it?
  • [08:41:25] <av500> iso? what for?
  • [08:41:29] <LetoThe2nd> we do not do isos, they only get waretized and people spread them through piratebay.
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  • [08:41:54] <vin_> I'm going to buy beagle bone black but it is going to take time so to try it on vmware i need iso file of angstrom
  • [08:42:24] <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
  • [08:42:34] <av500> vin_: vmware for ARM?
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  • [08:42:37] <av500> you have that?
  • [08:42:44] <LetoThe2nd> vin_: you cannot *emulate* a BBB in vmware/vbox/whatever
  • [08:42:58] <vin_> can qemu help??
  • [08:42:58] <LetoThe2nd> or no, that should be
  • [08:43:04] <av500> vin_: not really
  • [08:43:07] <LetoThe2nd> vin_: *you* cannot emulate a BBB in vmware/vbox/whatever
  • [08:43:43] <vin_> so even qemu can not emulate BBB
  • [08:43:49] <vin_> that is u are saying??
  • [08:43:57] <av500> correct
  • [08:44:01] <av500> and what for
  • [08:44:11] <LetoThe2nd> i have no idea what "u" is saying, i do not know that nickname.
  • [08:44:26] <vvu|Log> the best way to emulate a BBB is to just buy one, real emulation :)
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  • [08:45:08] <vin_> k thnak you
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  • [08:48:48] <nasher> xD
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  • [09:55:19] <redanimalwar> hey beaglers
  • [09:55:35] <redanimalwar> someone has a idea on this one? http://askubuntu.com/questions/349775/how-to-make-a-gpio-pin-act-like-pc-speaker-positive
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  • [10:17:27] <av500> what you wrote there
  • [10:17:30] <av500> try that
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  • [10:18:11] <av500> though on a PC, the speaker is not jsut a GPIO
  • [10:18:16] <av500> I think there is some timer hardware too
  • [10:18:26] <av500> so just the speaker driver might not work
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  • [10:32:47] <redanimalwar> hy av500 again
  • [10:34:17] <redanimalwar> i got it wo work without any transitor with just 3,3V and its very loud ;)
  • [10:36:03] <av500> fine
  • [10:36:10] <av500> if the GPIO breaks, you know why
  • [10:36:32] <redanimalwar> did not know about time hardware. so i guess i have to create my own timer software to make some sounds.
  • [10:36:41] <redanimalwar> it can break? with that?
  • [10:36:53] <av500> with your setup
  • [10:37:01] <redanimalwar> does it matter what ends up in GRD?
  • [10:37:24] <av500> GRD?
  • [10:37:58] <redanimalwar> i have it in P8.10 and GRD
  • [10:38:06] <redanimalwar> or what its called?
  • [10:38:15] <redanimalwar> i thaught its for ground
  • [10:38:22] <av500> GND
  • [10:38:53] <redanimalwar> oh yes
  • [10:38:56] <redanimalwar> GND
  • [10:39:42] <redanimalwar> so it the 3,3 V whatever ampere/corrent go from the P8.10 into GRD that could break my BBB?
  • [10:39:53] <redanimalwar> current*
  • [10:41:25] <redanimalwar> it i would just mut a cable between those 2 without the speaker, and then same question for with speaker. i really have no idea of hardware. but I tought it fine this way.
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  • [10:41:45] <av500> as I said
  • [10:41:49] <redanimalwar> if i would just put* ...
  • [10:41:52] <av500> you draw too much current from the GPIO
  • [10:41:55] <av500> use a transistor
  • [10:41:59] <av500> its all explain on the web
  • [10:42:04] <av500> at many places
  • [10:42:08] <av500> or ignore it
  • [10:42:11] <redanimalwar> ok thanks
  • [10:42:16] <redanimalwar> good to know ;)
  • [10:42:17] <av500> basic electronics can also be learned there
  • [10:43:05] <redanimalwar> i am just so unpatient, i saw this guy who did somethign liek that with the rasberry pie and it looked like he did not use a transitor so i assumed its ok
  • [10:43:53] <panto> don't come crying here when you burn out the processor
  • [10:44:01] <redanimalwar> but even if the pie might be different
  • [10:44:22] <panto> the problem with the piers is that they're clueless
  • [10:45:08] <redanimalwar> i dont like when ppl say untrue things about groups of ppl
  • [10:45:26] <panto> what's untrue?
  • [10:45:33] <redanimalwar> maybe 80% if them are clueless, maybe. still then the statement is wrong.
  • [10:45:41] <panto> fine
  • [10:45:43] <redanimalwar> you dont call a group clueless
  • [10:45:48] <panto> mostly clueless then
  • [10:46:14] <redanimalwar> ok i am to but when it comes to byuing stuff i am not
  • [10:46:32] <panto> never said they are clueless about buying stuff
  • [10:46:40] <redanimalwar> and the bbb is so much better in terms of hardware
  • [10:46:42] <panto> they're clueless about electronics and embedded linux
  • [10:46:59] <redanimalwar> i did not accuse you of saying that i am
  • [10:47:24] <panto> whatever - don't take seriously whatever is said on irc
  • [10:47:29] <redanimalwar> i saw some other board thats even better in hardware ... forgot the name
  • [10:47:47] <redanimalwar> its 10??? more with sata and 2 usa 4gb nand and 1gig ram
  • [10:48:04] <redanimalwar> and am a bit unhappy that i not baught that, was a but to late
  • [10:48:34] <Defiant> cubieboard?
  • [10:49:27] <blaaa> cubieboard2?
  • [10:49:41] <redanimalwar> yes
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  • [10:50:06] <blaaa> is the sata and network on the cubieboard through USB?
  • [10:50:27] <redanimalwar> with adapter?
  • [10:50:46] <redanimalwar> it directly on the board if thats whats you asking
  • [10:51:08] <redanimalwar> be most important think is that it has 1gig ram
  • [10:51:22] <redanimalwar> you can build a serious server with that
  • [10:51:43] <redanimalwar> i actaully could send my bbb black and buy one ;)
  • [10:51:44] <Defiant> lol
  • [10:52:01] <blaaa> no, I know some boards use a usb to communicate to on-board sata/ethernet. just don't know how th cubieboard does it
  • [10:52:30] <redanimalwar> there is still time i have the right to send it back without 14 days without a reason
  • [10:52:46] <daaw> By default the pin 27 on header P8 on BBB is coming with a function LCD_VSYNC...i want to change it to a GPIO(MODE 7).....How can i do this.....??
  • [10:52:47] <blaaa> redanimalwar: the IFC6410 is a lot more expensive, but looks good for server-purposes as well
  • [10:53:23] <daaw> By default the pin 27 on header P8 on BBB is coming with a function LCD_VSYNC...i want to change it to a GPIO(MODE 7).....How can i do this.....??
  • [10:53:53] <redanimalwar> i guess i will stay with bbb the community is bigger i guess. also I learned my share about it already
  • [10:55:17] <daaw> By default the pin 27 on header P8 on BBB is coming with a function LCD_VSYNC...i want to change it to a GPIO(MODE 7).....How can i do this.....??
  • [10:55:26] <redanimalwar> ok i need to buy a transistor, but wich one ) the same they use for the LED?
  • [10:55:57] <redanimalwar> daaw did somebody join this chat sinde you first ask?
  • [10:56:02] <redanimalwar> ..ed
  • [10:56:12] <redanimalwar> since*
  • [10:56:22] <daaw> no
  • [10:56:29] <redanimalwar> ok then stop spamming
  • [10:56:47] <daaw> then you say it
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  • [10:57:39] <redanimalwar> lol how old are you?
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  • [10:58:00] <redanimalwar> i am a totally noob i cant help you with that
  • [10:58:12] <daaw> why you want to know..?
  • [10:58:39] <redanimalwar> just curious
  • [10:58:41] <daaw> from where can i get the information..
  • [10:58:46] <daaw> i am 24
  • [10:58:51] <daaw> you..??
  • [10:59:41] <redanimalwar> 30
  • [10:59:57] <daaw> from.?
  • [11:00:53] <redanimalwar> but with 24 i knew already that pasting questions twice is not helping myself ;)
  • [11:00:55] <redanimalwar> germany
  • [11:01:28] <av500> daaw: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel
  • [11:01:30] <daaw> mm...
  • [11:01:36] <av500> read that
  • [11:01:46] <daaw> ok av500..thanks
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  • [11:27:24] <blaaa> redanimalwar: what server do you want to set up using your BBB?
  • [11:31:07] <redanimalwar> mailserver
  • [11:31:17] <redanimalwar> atm, maybe more later
  • [11:31:38] <redanimalwar> should be fine for just myself
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  • [11:46:03] <blaaa> redanimalwar: yes, the BBB should definately be able to do a personal mail server. I actually tested it with SOGo as addition as well and a simple Zotonic blog, and it was able to cope just fine with a (low of course, but normal) load
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  • [11:51:51] <av500> CPU runs SW, film at 11
  • [11:54:20] <LetoThe2nd> av500: whoa!
  • [11:54:52] <av500> yes
  • [11:54:59] <av500> surprises me every day anew
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  • [12:01:25] <redanimalwar> and what does SW and film at 11 mean?
  • [12:01:56] <SpeedEvil> software
  • [12:03:10] <SpeedEvil> Film at 11 originated when news programs would advertise they were going to run a more detailed piece later in the night
  • [12:03:42] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_at_11
  • [12:09:31] <ynezz> in case someone was bored with ARM || MIPS :) https://www.turris.cz/en/hardware
  • [12:10:28] <ynezz> system is systemd free (tm)
  • [12:12:36] <redanimalwar> open source hardware, thats cool
  • [12:14:36] <redanimalwar> nothing about price, will be pretty expesice i guess
  • [12:15:29] <ynezz> that's relative :)
  • [12:15:37] <av500> redanimalwar: it means that a mail server is going to run on about any hw platform these days
  • [12:15:46] <av500> that runs linux
  • [12:16:31] <redanimalwar> some joke i not get because i am german, yes i got that somehow after the link
  • [12:17:33] <LetoThe2nd> redanimalwar: please stop blaming every thing that you do not understand on being german - you're just ruining it for every german who understands it.
  • [12:18:02] <blaaa> ynezz: why not use a open-source SPARC design and improve on it?
  • [12:19:06] <blaaa> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/opensparc/index.html
  • [12:19:29] <ynezz> blaaa: well, I'm not involved in this project
  • [12:19:35] <redanimalwar> well if i run a iRedmail wich is like 10 programs meld together for a serious mailserver with antispam, antivirus and all that stuff i would argue that i woudl struggle hard on machines that run linux what have only 64mb ram or whatever is the min for linux
  • [12:19:43] <ynezz> blaaa: and it's probably too late now :)
  • [12:20:34] <ynezz> and Oracle, ehm
  • [12:21:03] <blaaa> ynezz: yes, probably. Also it would be much more difficut and expensive I suppose. But it would be completely open source hardware, if someone designs suitable controller chips in addition...
  • [12:21:24] <blaaa> ynezz: I think sun has released the stuff...
  • [12:21:38] <ynezz> and "complete opensource hardware" wasn't the goal either
  • [12:22:18] <ynezz> it's quite hard anyway, as there's WiFi involved also
  • [12:22:49] <blaaa> ynezz: yes, pantents (and the amount of work) won't mke that easy...
  • [12:24:13] <redanimalwar> Leto: STFU I did not "blame" anything im me beeing german, i simply stated the fact, things like jokes and stuff that nobody everybody here refers to "spannung" in ampere and not current so i did not know about it. I would probably get that "11 on film" joke if I would live in the US that a simple true statment not "blaming" anthing.
  • [12:25:50] <LetoThe2nd> redanimalwar: a very mature answer indeed.
  • [12:25:54] <LetoThe2nd> *plonk*
  • [12:26:43] <redanimalwar> its quote common that you understand a foreign language pritty well but when it comes to spcific jokes and stuff and you have no relationship to that area you will not get them. the fact that the wikipedia page is not even translated on ANY language proves my point!
  • [12:28:26] <redanimalwar> but now i am not mature because i have the arguments where you have nothing but bs? sure typical
  • [12:28:58] <LetoThe2nd> for the protocol: i will not discuss with anybody opening an argument with "STFU"
  • [12:29:45] <redanimalwar> yeah how about you stop talk to me at all idiot ( to be mature one time)
  • [12:30:29] * georgem puts on his fire suit
  • [12:31:02] <LetoThe2nd> georgem: why? better use a stillsuit
  • [12:31:34] <georgem> heh
  • [12:31:48] * vvu|Log thinks we all need to hide a bit
  • [12:32:04] <redanimalwar> i am simply right and you clain i blame "everything on beeing german" while all i did was stating that about TWO area specific things. so why you are start arguing with respect? when you want to insult me
  • [12:32:33] <av500> let'S just stop
  • [12:36:01] <av500> and remember the first rule of IRC - if you dont understand something, go google it
  • [12:36:16] <georgem> And pretend you understood it
  • [12:36:22] <av500> exactly
  • [12:36:28] <av500> nothing to pretend
  • [12:36:37] <av500> you google it, you read, you understand
  • [12:36:37] <georgem> well.. yeah
  • [12:36:45] <av500> make for far less "fill noise"
  • [12:36:48] <av500> makes
  • [12:37:58] <redanimalwar> problem because i stated another fact, that its stupic to call a group "idiots" when some of them are. ppl are ofended by the truth its always the same. they can factit so they come up with bs.
  • [12:38:25] <av500> as far as I can remember you started calling people idiot
  • [12:38:28] <vvu|Log> av500: just got the BBxM! found somebody in my university who is selling one
  • [12:38:29] <av500> but as said, stop
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  • [12:38:49] <redanimalwar> i pretended to get it? Thats why a asked what it mean, said nothing untill i was asked about it and then said "i SOMEHOW got that it was a joke"
  • [12:38:53] <vvu|Log> is the last one Rev C
  • [12:38:59] <redanimalwar> FFS stop spreading BULLSHIT
  • [12:39:26] <georgem> redanimalwar: Did you forget to take your medication?
  • [12:40:03] <redanimalwar> i not need any medication, 90% of medication is bad and invented to make big pharma rich
  • [12:40:11] <georgem> right....
  • [12:40:37] <redanimalwar> and i am so healthy that i not need something form the 10%, but thanks for asking
  • [12:40:56] <av500> plonk
  • [12:41:07] <Bo_DK> Is ther a KIND sould that can help me getting some commands run at boot time? distri ubuntu
  • [12:41:32] <av500> the usual ubuntu way?
  • [12:41:50] <LetoThe2nd> Bo_DK: in trivial cases, just /etc/rc.local it
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  • [12:43:49] <redanimalwar> if your intersted in big pharma you should watch this http://blip.tv/azk/azk-vortrag-nebenwirkung-tod-korruption-in-der-pharmaindustrie-john-rengen-1828414 its english (the actual talk)
  • [12:44:37] <Bo_DK> no KIND souls to help out with a few commands etc?
  • [12:45:51] <av500> [14:41] <LetoThe2nd> Bo_DK: in trivial cases, just /etc/rc.local it
  • [12:46:11] <av500> https://www.google.de/search?q=ubuntu+run+command+at+startup
  • [12:46:18] <av500> https://www.google.de/search?q=ubuntu+run+command+at+boot
  • [12:46:20] <redanimalwar> some commands?
  • [12:46:21] <av500> https://www.google.de/search?q=ubuntu+run+command+at+login
  • [12:47:01] <redanimalwar> funny thing that i hate it when ppl just say "google it" but in this case its you maybe really should ;)
  • [12:47:52] <redanimalwar> if your running kde you can easy setup starting scripts without ever touching eny special files for that, just in setting. no idea about gnome
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  • [12:49:26] <Bo_DK> i have these 3 commands in rc.local...:
  • [12:49:35] <Bo_DK> 1. chmod 666 /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
  • [12:49:46] <Bo_DK> 2. echo ttyO1_armhf.com > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
  • [12:49:52] <vvu|Log> Bo_DK: i usually do stuff in my crontab as an user
  • [12:49:58] <redanimalwar> there are aboout 3 or more places for starting scripts
  • [12:50:05] <vvu|Log> if i want commands at startup
  • [12:50:18] <Bo_DK> 3. gpsd /dev/ttyO1
  • [12:50:20] <LetoThe2nd> vvu|Log: well thats more like anacron then.
  • [12:50:23] <Bo_DK> 2 does not work
  • [12:50:28] <redanimalwar> not sure if rc.local works for ubunut, i remember tampering with that shit once
  • [12:51:22] <redanimalwar> it may also matter when exacty you want them to run and if they need root rights
  • [12:51:28] <redanimalwar> there are also services
  • [12:51:43] <redanimalwar> this init.d/ stuff
  • [12:51:56] <Bo_DK> funny thing is
  • [12:51:58] <redanimalwar> you can set them up to start at boot as root
  • [12:52:12] <Bo_DK> if i log in to terminal and do those one at a time they work
  • [12:52:22] <Bo_DK> just not from anywhere else.... so far
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  • [12:57:02] <Bo_DK> no help?
  • [12:57:54] <redanimalwar> http://askubuntu.com/questions/814/how-to-run-scripts-on-start-up
  • [12:58:05] <redanimalwar> 70 upvotes look cedible
  • [12:58:13] <redanimalwar> trustable i mean
  • [12:59:06] <Bo_DK> well allready been tried
  • [12:59:17] <redanimalwar> well i should better refer to the 31 upvotes on the answer, thats what matters ;)
  • [12:59:18] <Bo_DK> but why not again just for the fun of it
  • [13:00:02] <redanimalwar> but that what i told you
  • [13:00:11] <redanimalwar> upstart/services
  • [13:00:27] <redanimalwar> the new thing here is how to setup this in the gui
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  • [13:00:50] <redanimalwar> but again it depends on what exact stage and root
  • [13:00:59] <Bo_DK> what gui? i run terminal
  • [13:01:04] <Bo_DK> no screen to BBB
  • [13:01:15] <redanimalwar> well
  • [13:01:23] <Bo_DK> Q:
  • [13:01:43] <Bo_DK> why does one command work from terminal when i do it by hand
  • [13:01:48] <Bo_DK> but not from rc.local
  • [13:02:14] <redanimalwar> well i would try a upstart script
  • [13:02:18] <redanimalwar> did you do that??
  • [13:02:45] <redanimalwar> srew your rc.local now. remove eveything you added.
  • [13:02:50] <Bo_DK> would like to know answer to my Q.....
  • [13:03:15] <Bo_DK> why can it all work when i type my commands by hand
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  • [13:03:25] <redanimalwar> did you try upstart script?
  • [13:03:29] <Bo_DK> but not when they are run at boot time
  • [13:03:34] <redanimalwar> you can do this without GUI!
  • [13:03:55] <Bo_DK> and why do you keep asking a Q without answering mine
  • [13:04:03] <Bo_DK> not very friendly
  • [13:04:08] <Bo_DK> and i dont learn
  • [13:04:11] <redanimalwar> WTF?
  • [13:04:27] <redanimalwar> i try to hepl you idiot
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  • [13:04:56] <redanimalwar> i am not friedly becaus i ask you if you tried why i think will work fine?
  • [13:05:03] <Bo_DK> yes but like to know why its does not work from rc.local... and first thing you say screw rc.local
  • [13:05:13] <Bo_DK> do not learn anything from that
  • [13:05:29] <redanimalwar> so i just need to presend you with a solutionand you have to do nothing?
  • [13:05:56] <Bo_DK> no just tell me why it does not work when commands are run from rc.local....
  • [13:06:00] <Bo_DK> for starters
  • [13:06:53] <redanimalwar> reset you rc.local to original start, get to know a simple upstart script and then let it autostart, that will worl with 99% chance in my opions, so not i am dont beeing "not very friedly"
  • [13:07:04] <redanimalwar> what is wrong with people?
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  • [13:08:13] <LetoThe2nd> Bo_DK: i'd try do diagnose it one after the other. have some output logged to a file, maybe you're trying to write to a path that does not yet exist or such at that time.
  • [13:08:25] <Bo_DK> Am i wrong here? ie want to know why it fails ?
  • [13:08:45] <LetoThe2nd> Bo_DK: basically, get more information instead of just "does not work"
  • [13:08:47] <Bo_DK> should that not be the first thing... ie know why before just doing something else
  • [13:11:29] <LetoThe2nd> like i said - find it out. i do not know why.
  • [13:11:50] <LetoThe2nd> use echo to a file and redirection to log your debugging messages.
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  • [13:15:23] <Bo_DK> guess i'm the arsehat here....
  • [13:15:33] <LetoThe2nd> huh?
  • [13:16:11] <LetoThe2nd> what about the hints on how to debug your findings are not to your liking?
  • [13:17:02] <LetoThe2nd> or do you have me on ignore? well in that case - whatever.
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  • [13:20:56] <KotH> Bo_DK: get the Unix System Administration Handbook (http://www.admin.com/)
  • [13:21:04] <KotH> Bo_DK: read it, learn it, come back when you still have questions
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  • [13:38:27] <luiz_mata> Iam trying to write an eeprom... and read some examples like Null cape and Kellers blog.. but I am confused about details on new 3.8 kernel could make this exemples outdated
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  • [13:59:56] <Fo2adZz> Hi there, would it be possible to port Ubuntu touch to the beaglebone black?
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  • [14:03:07] <dm8tbr> Fo2adZz: not that it would make much sense, but probably
  • [14:04:05] <Fo2adZz> dm8tbr: thanks
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  • [14:11:32] <av500> the BBB CPU does not care what code it runs
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  • [14:13:12] <vxe> av500: it doesn't like my SPARC code very much :(
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  • [14:13:33] <av500> nobody likes sparc code...
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  • [14:16:22] <pkh> I'm looking at the option of powering my bbb off a transformer with a lithium battery in the middle as blackout protection lithium battery -- I'm thinking something along the lines of [BBB <- LiBat <- ?V DC <- 240V AC] -- anyone see/done something similar?
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  • [14:17:16] <av500> use a "battery tank"
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  • [14:17:27] <av500> one of these mobile phone chargers
  • [14:17:35] <av500> DC->5V->tank->BBB
  • [14:17:44] <av500> they come in all sizes
  • [14:18:02] <pkh> actually, I apologise -- google eventually found this for me: http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone/blog/2013/08/10/bbb--rechargeable-on-board-battery-system
  • [14:18:17] <pkh> another round of applause for the beagle mob -- that's bloody fantastic
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  • [14:19:02] <luiz_mata> Yes I use on of this chine 12000 miliamps endure 6 hours using hdmi
  • [14:19:25] <av500> pkh: yes, you can do that too
  • [14:19:34] <av500> my BBB does not havbe these pins yet
  • [14:19:38] <av500> but I think production units have
  • [14:19:55] <av500> oh wait, I have later BBBs too
  • [14:19:57] <av500> but where....
  • [14:19:58] <pkh> ah, I assumed they were all missing and it was up to the user to solder them in
  • [14:20:10] <av500> well, the pads should be there
  • [14:20:24] <pkh> the TP5-TP8 are on my BBB just behind the 5V plug
  • [14:20:34] <av500> ok
  • [14:20:40] <av500> then you can do as described there
  • [14:20:42] <av500> I guess
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  • [14:21:34] <pkh> so, I'l suck it and see when I get a chance, but I assume that when the 5V goes out, all USB powers down and the core ticks along until the 5V is reattached.
  • [14:21:35] <luiz_mata> anyone have a good tutorial about program the eeprom for a new cape on kernel 3.8 ? alredy seen Derek Malloy vids and Null cape example but nothing happens...
  • [14:22:04] <luiz_mata> http://papermint-designs.com/community/node/331
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  • [14:22:19] <luiz_mata> very good tutorial...
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  • [15:23:46] <pkh> I'm having the USB problems mentioned in various locations seems to be to downgrade to the 3.2 kernel instead -- anyone knwo where I can find out which version (short of downloading every one) made the jump?
  • [15:24:14] <pkh> there's a word missing in there somewhere -- 'the solution'
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  • [15:28:29] <rathijeet> how to install qemu in windows
  • [15:28:54] <rathijeet> ??
  • [15:29:14] <vxe> rathijeet: wrong channel
  • [15:29:25] <rathijeet> I want to emulate qnx on it
  • [15:29:36] <vxe> rathijeet: wrong channel
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  • [15:35:23] <Anguel> hi! is it possible that BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.09.12.img.xz is not a flasher image? it boots up with the angstrom prompt from my sd card...
  • [15:37:06] <av500> flashers are angstrom too
  • [15:37:16] <av500> boot prompt and all
  • [15:37:30] <Anguel> i thought they did not display the prompt before
  • [15:39:14] <Anguel> i can also log in so it does not seem to flash anything
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  • [15:41:17] <stroker_mata> Anyone trye dprogram I2C eeprom through /sys/bus/i2c ?
  • [15:41:19] <ant_work> av500: ideally an initramfs with no shell and a custom init for the purpose
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  • [15:42:31] <av500> Anguel: I could login into the flasher over serial
  • [15:42:36] <av500> and see emmc.sh run
  • [15:43:20] <Anguel> av500: i can login through ethernet, how can i check if emmc.sh is running?
  • [15:43:57] <av500> ps aux
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  • [15:44:09] <Anguel> av500: a yes, i see it :)
  • [15:45:30] <Anguel> av500: {emmc.sh} /bin/bash /usr/bin/emmc.sh
  • [15:45:43] <av500> thats the flasher
  • [15:45:47] <Anguel> so i will wait :)
  • [15:46:04] <Anguel> sorry for the confusion
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  • [15:48:02] <Anguel> what is actually BBB-eMMC-flasher-v2013.06-2013.09.12.img.xz ? is this based on a new Angstrom?
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  • [15:49:07] <av500> its a flasher
  • [15:49:15] <av500> that flashes -v2013.06-2013.09.12
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  • [15:51:22] <ant_work> av500: I had in mind a kernel + cpio composed of static compiled init and a flasher.bin. The image/firmware would reside on some block device (maybe another card) together with a file with the flasher-options to append. The init would scan the devices, find the image and launch the flasher with its options
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  • [15:51:55] <ant_work> av500: see, it is basically kexecboot but instead of kexec we execve the flasher
  • [15:52:03] <av500> sure
  • [15:52:14] <ant_work> zero user intervention
  • [15:52:17] <av500> you can also push that over usb with what vvu|Log did :)
  • [15:52:27] <av500> zero sdcard intervention
  • [15:52:32] <ant_work> heh
  • [15:52:57] <ant_work> any block device...not yet over NET
  • [15:53:51] <penth> Has anyone successfully connected a bbb to ubuntu 12.04? I appear to need a package/library I don't have.
  • [15:54:18] <penth> I get usb_storage but not a network device
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  • [15:57:33] <Goge> anyone know if bonescript has working pin muxing, analog write, and interupts?
  • [15:57:58] <av500> pin muxing was work in progress
  • [15:58:05] <av500> I dont know if it progressed
  • [15:58:15] <vvu|Log> ant_work: http://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BBBlfs
  • [15:58:50] <Goge> thanks. do you know if there are working libraries for the 3 in any other language?
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  • [16:03:38] <Anguel> av500: But why the two dates in BBB-eMMC-flasher-v2013.06-2013.09.12.img.xz ? I see there is a Angstrom feed v2013.06 (in contrast to the 2012.12)
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  • [16:04:19] <av500> I dont know
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  • [16:07:59] <ant_work> vvu|Log: http://kexecboot.org/
  • [16:08:51] <vvu|Log> did not know about this thingie
  • [16:08:57] <vvu|Log> i just did my custom thing for the BBB
  • [16:09:35] <ant_work> see the crazy koen
  • [16:09:37] <ant_work> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3761596514/
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  • [16:13:30] <jackmitchell> Goge: I don't know what you mean by analog write, but libsoc can do interrupts and digital IO
  • [16:13:44] <jackmitchell> not pinmuxing though
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  • [16:17:15] <Goge> jackmitchell: analog write = pwm
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  • [16:18:46] <jackmitchell> Goge: ah no, it doesn't do pwm yet
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  • [16:34:59] <SillyKnight> Hello, I am trying to build a loadable kernel module for 3.8.13 angstrom distribution. I used Robert Nelson's stable kernel source. But after I compiled Hello World example, when I try to insert module, I got invalid module format error. As I understand, probably I didn correct kernel source version.
  • [16:35:24] <SillyKnight> didn't use
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  • [16:56:07] <josh_____> Can i get Angstrom in ISO file format to run it on some emulator or virtual machine??
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  • [16:57:19] <josh_____> please reply
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  • [16:58:20] <josh_____> Can i get Angstrom in ISO file format to run it on some emulator or virtual machine?? please reply
  • [17:00:26] <Crofton|work> what emulator
  • [17:01:18] <josh_____> like qemu
  • [17:01:24] <josh_____> BBB emulator
  • [17:01:46] <josh_____> or virtual machine like VMware
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  • [17:10:35] <Goge> seems like dynamically/programatically changing pin mux modes is not happening O.o I guess I should write a "virtual cape" and use that.
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  • [17:15:24] <seanv> I'm incredibly new to linux and trying to set up a listening/audio station in an acoustics lab to test speakers/headphones. I need audio and video playback, the ability to use a USB headphone amplifier, wifi connectivity(via an edimax dongle), and the ability to use something like Pandora radio on it. Is this possible to do this on a beagleboard black with angstrom? Would Ubuntu be better? Can the BBB even support/do what I'm trying to d
  • [17:16:15] <cfo215> anyone here working on the drm? I keep getting drm_kms_helper: panic occurred, switching back to text console. happens randomly.
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  • [17:38:34] <cfo215> http://pastebin.com/S4MDjJUk
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  • [17:45:20] <mkjackson> is there a way to know what version my beagle bone is running (figure I don't need to image it if I don't have to)
  • [17:46:05] <stroker_mata> terminal : uname -a
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  • [17:54:56] <mkjackson> thx folks, troubleshooting my ssh (just got it and trying to call ssh localhost:22 from my terminal)
  • [17:55:45] <jacekowski> seanv: any linux based device will do it
  • [17:56:00] <jacekowski> seanv: but raspberry pi is probably going to be cheaper
  • [17:58:13] <penth> Has anyone successfully connected a bbb to ubuntu 12.04? I appear to need a package/library I don't have. When I connect I get usb_storage but not a network device.
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  • [17:59:03] <Stanto> penth any reason for not just using a network cable ?
  • [17:59:29] <penth> full switch :(
  • [18:00:42] <N2TOH> too bad you can't use a "Y" cable and split a copper gige port into two 100Mb/s ports
  • [18:00:51] <stroker_mata> penth open the html in linux have a driver thet have to be installed
  • [18:01:32] <stroker_mata> mkudevrule.sh
  • [18:03:21] <mkjackson> hey folks, so just to be clear??? I can (using OSX via terminal as I'm really a Linux guy at heart) just "dd if=<img file from net> of=/dev/sd<letter assigned to usb of bbb>" ?
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  • [18:03:37] <mkjackson> (also ssh resolved, just needed to specify the user via -l option
  • [18:03:39] <penth> stroker_mata, I've already done that. I put in the rules per mkudevrule.sh and duplicated them for the 1d6b:0104 usb id the bbb appears as rather than 0403:a6d0
  • [18:05:12] <penth> I have a /dev/ttyACM0 rather than /dev/ttyUSB0, and it times out when attempting to connect to screen. (And I have already reflashed it with the current Angstrom distro)
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  • [18:08:49] <prpplague> seanv: yes beaglebone black can do all of those things
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  • [18:09:43] <Crofton|work> I heard it can also solve world hunger
  • [18:10:13] <jkridner> mkjackson: http://beagleboard.org/support/bone101/dogtag might be helpful
  • [18:10:27] <penth> half a problem solved: I needed sudo to run 'screen /dev/ttyACM0' but then I got no response in the terminal
  • [18:10:34] <prpplague> Crofton|work: hehe
  • [18:11:03] <prpplague> Crofton|work: beaglebone black does make a good plow when mounted to a pole
  • [18:11:26] <jkridner> penth: you probably need to specify the baud rate if connecting a serial device.
  • [18:12:31] <stroker_mata> penth I use Win PC to develop, But ia VM use the shared coenction without this probelsm..
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  • [18:33:18] <stroker_mata> Anyone knows i2cdetect don`t shows up my eeprom on i2c 1.. my scope tells it there...
  • [18:33:34] <_av500_> what does i2s detect say?
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  • [18:42:18] <stroker_mata> _av500_ only UU in the 54 to 57 adresses
  • [18:42:45] <stroker_mata> I am folowing the Derek Maolly video...
  • [18:43:21] <stroker_mata> through
  • [18:43:48] <stroker_mata> http://youtu.be/8C2zk6B-eLU
  • [18:44:41] <stroker_mata> I have an saleae clone and a Cheap scope... but is not helping..rsrs
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  • [19:18:19] <mkjackson> hey folks, so I was hoping to flash my bbb with the latest image (I've unzipped it)
  • [19:18:28] <mkjackson> should this work (I'm on OSX)...
  • [19:18:51] <mkjackson> sudo dd if=~/Downloads/<file name> of=/dev/disk1
  • [19:18:55] <mkjackson> ?
  • [19:19:30] <mkjackson> actually, it won't work because this file is 3.6GB and the eMMC is 2GB
  • [19:19:31] <mkjackson> :-/
  • [19:19:56] <maxinux> the imager goes to an SD
  • [19:19:57] <maxinux> then boots
  • [19:20:01] <maxinux> and images the emmc
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  • [19:21:14] <mkjackson> getting the smaller emmc once
  • [19:21:26] <mkjackson> (I didn't get an SD with my bbb)
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  • [19:48:02] <mkjackson> so??? I guess there's no way to update this guy unless there's a microSD invovled? :-(
  • [19:48:15] <mkjackson> inet is just sending me around in circles
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  • [20:01:12] <redanimalwar> newer heared of update another way
  • [20:01:36] <redanimalwar> also it not out of the box be able to boot from usb i think
  • [20:01:58] <redanimalwar> i sew a very complicated tut how to boot from usb harddisk
  • [20:02:07] <redanimalwar> saw*
  • [20:02:37] <redanimalwar> but that may have have invelved a sd card
  • [20:02:56] <redanimalwar> if you buy one make sure to buy a fast one (class 10 or so)
  • [20:03:53] <redanimalwar> i baught by BBB together with some micro SDHC that so fucking slow
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  • [20:12:12] <mkjackson> redanimalwar: tyvm for the heads up
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  • [20:15:45] <KotH> mkjackson: you can always extract the binary that goes onto the emmc
  • [20:16:17] <KotH> mkjackson: but you need to have a system that runs completely independend of the emmc otherwise you will fuck up your system (and thus the update) completely when you overwrite the emmc
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  • [20:42:39] <bear_> What interface we can use to use 3 wired temprature sensor ?
  • [20:45:13] <rneese> if its a beagles bone and its black... how did it get that way ?
  • [20:45:21] <rneese> write one in qt
  • [20:45:27] <rneese> in the dev gui
  • [20:46:03] <bear_> rneese , me ?
  • [20:49:08] <bear_> any one ?
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  • [20:51:19] <rneese> anyone its a joke question
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  • [20:51:29] <rneese> trying to have a little fun today
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  • [21:28:11] <blaaa> When would it make sense to run QNX on the BBB? (except for 'the experience')
  • [21:30:10] <systemG3000> i guess if you need "real time"
  • [21:32:54] <RypRap> are man entries just empty on BBB ?
  • [21:33:02] <RypRap> on angstrom
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  • [22:49:58] <rocky|beagle> blaaa: example, one of the things my team is considering is using a realtime OS for a quadcopter.
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  • [22:50:59] <Pip> Hello all
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  • [22:56:51] <Pip> Is Beagle black better than Raspberry Pi?
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  • [22:58:11] <vagrantc> in several ways, yes.
  • [22:58:31] <rocky|beagle> Pip: I've only experience with the beage bone black, but I know that the bone is better if you need to do a lot of I/O
  • [22:58:33] <vagrantc> maybe there are some ways it's not...
  • [22:58:34] <rocky|beagle> it has many more pins
  • [22:58:57] <rocky|beagle> I'm not sure what the raspberry pi has that the beagle doesn't.
  • [22:59:29] <blaaa> rocky|beagle: OK, so it's really about the real-time stuff.
  • [22:59:32] <Pip> Raspberry Pi ModB has two USBs
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  • [23:00:12] <blaaa> Pip: I think video deoding might be oe of the stonger points of the RPi hardware
  • [23:00:22] <vagrantc> the beagleboneblack is at least ARMv7, which means it has somme hope of being supported by most distributions out of the box
  • [23:00:42] <blaaa> my keyboard is broken....
  • [23:00:57] <rocky|beagle> blaaa: yes. If you have functions that absolutely have to be run at regular intervals, or need to respond to some I/O in a very timely matter, you're looking at getting a realtime os
  • [23:01:18] <rocky|beagle> vagrantc: I know that debian, ubuntu, and arch support it already
  • [23:01:23] <vagrantc> somewhat
  • [23:01:42] <rocky|beagle> somewhat?
  • [23:01:45] <vagrantc> kernel support isn't fully there, at least in debian
  • [23:02:05] <vagrantc> and not sure about uboot support
  • [23:02:19] <blaaa> I think OpenBSD is going ahead in its support of the BBB as well
  • [23:02:32] <m_billybob> uboot support for *what*?
  • [23:02:36] <blaaa> not complete though
  • [23:02:51] <rocky|beagle> yeah, I saw that too. I've heard the bsd guys tend to support the hardware the target very well.
  • [23:03:03] <m_billybob> uboot *can* run and executable when told so.
  • [23:03:13] <m_billybob> an ! and
  • [23:04:13] <vagrantc> all bbblack uboot support has been mainlined?
  • [23:04:52] <m_billybob> not sure but do not think so
  • [23:05:04] <m_billybob> still requires patches
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  • [23:05:26] <vagrantc> the bbblack seems to be doing a much better job at getting stuff mainlined
  • [23:05:26] <vagrantc> than the rpi, or many other projects
  • [23:06:00] <m_billybob> thats because there are a few awesome people working on code to support the BBB
  • [23:06:06] <blaaa> although the sold numbers are a lot lower (at least for now) I suppose
  • [23:06:12] <m_billybob> im not included
  • [23:07:02] <blaaa> It makes sense to pay attention to the availability of documentation for all hardware I suppose
  • [23:07:30] <m_billybob> you're kidding right ?
  • [23:07:50] <rocky|beagle> if you're interested in working with the PRUs, getting docs for them I've found is pretty difficult
  • [23:08:19] <m_billybob> rocky|beagle thats maybe because you need the right TRM
  • [23:08:27] <rocky|beagle> probably so
  • [23:08:38] <m_billybob> the latest TRM has no PRU specific info in it at all
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  • [23:08:45] <rocky|beagle> I'm aware of this.
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  • [23:09:03] <m_billybob> I think jhason does have a git that explains and has example code forthe PRU plus assembler etc
  • [23:09:11] <rocky|beagle> I have found the docs, it was just more difficult than I think it should have been.
  • [23:09:12] <m_billybob> jason*
  • [23:09:36] <rocky|beagle> Yeah, I talked to jason today, actually. He's our client for this quadcopter.
  • [23:09:46] <m_billybob> i guess maybe you're new to embedded hardware then
  • [23:09:56] <m_billybob> or not
  • [23:10:44] <rocky|beagle> it's senior design. Before this year, I've worked with PICS, atmegas through arduino, and msp430s, but not embedded linux.
  • [23:11:29] <m_billybob> Im completely new to embedded linux, and have found most stuff fairly easy to get information on. Most of the people in here are helpful, if you ask the right question. same on the beagleboard user groups
  • [23:11:44] <rocky|beagle> yessir
  • [23:12:16] <m_billybob> but asking "how do i do x, y, z on Linux" is very likely to give you no answer at al. because . . .linux is linux
  • [23:12:45] <m_billybob> yeah you're aware im sure
  • [23:12:51] <rocky|beagle> yep
  • [23:13:02] <rocky|beagle> those kind of questions are what google is for.
  • [23:13:18] <m_billybob> this is why i use debian,. i dont have to look far for answers to question i dont know
  • [23:13:39] <m_billybob> well most people dont know that debian x86 vs ARM is the same in this context
  • [23:14:07] <m_billybob> or any Linux x86 vs arm for that matter
  • [23:14:32] <m_billybob> anyhew i think ive derailed the convo not really what i meant
  • [23:15:27] <m_billybob> rocky|beagle got a link to your project ?
  • [23:15:47] * m_billybob is always interrested in seeing what people are doing with embedded stuffs
  • [23:16:19] <rocky|beagle> yeah, we have a github. I don't think anything is on it yet though. We've been mostly using google drive for our proposal and such
  • [23:18:05] <m_billybob> quadrocipter you say ?
  • [23:18:11] <m_billybob> copter*
  • [23:18:16] <rocky|beagle> yeah
  • [23:19:16] <m_billybob> i find some of that stuff pretty cool. not really my bad, but I recently watched a youtube vid of someone flying one via thoe really cool stereo glasses
  • [23:19:25] <m_billybob> err not really my bag*
  • [23:19:37] <rocky|beagle> I just emailed on of our leaders to get the repo's url. a testiment to how little we've used it so far.
  • [23:19:46] <m_billybob> I think he was one of thoe racer guys
  • [23:19:52] <rocky|beagle> which racer guys?
  • [23:20:27] <m_billybob> someone gave me a link. was a nice copter plus stero glasses and some almost like PS3 joystick setup
  • [23:20:40] <rocky|beagle> cool
  • [23:20:46] <m_billybob> like 2 km setup with wifi
  • [23:20:52] <rocky|beagle> was it a beaglebone project? it'd be nice to leverage off of there work
  • [23:21:02] <rocky|beagle> *their
  • [23:21:16] <m_billybob> oh i dont think so but *could* be done using a beaglebone in the mix somewhere im sure
  • [23:23:05] <rocky|beagle> Jason's wanting us to use soley the beagle hardware, no offloading the flight stablization to another uC. So unless their control algorithms could be ported to the PRU without an incredible amount of difficulty, it probably wouldn't work out.
  • [23:23:47] <m_billybob> there will always be another MCU id think
  • [23:24:08] <m_billybob> not quite sure how well a BBB would do on the actual qudro myself
  • [23:24:27] <m_billybob> sounds like a definate challenge
  • [23:24:39] <rocky|beagle> the idea would be to use the beagle for highlevel processing, like opencv and navigation, and use a PRU to handle flight stablization.
  • [23:25:04] <rocky|beagle> that way if linux hangs up, the quadcopter will still be under control.
  • [23:27:13] <N2TOH> or an FPGA that way if Linux barfs you have more of a chance it will not crash
  • [23:27:35] <rocky|beagle> the pru can operate independently of the ARM chip, right?
  • [23:28:08] <N2TOH> from what I know yes the PRU can, what about power problems?
  • [23:28:22] <rocky|beagle> ?
  • [23:29:26] <rocky|beagle> If the board browns out, there really isn't anything you can do for safety at that point.
  • [23:29:36] <N2TOH> how are you going to know linux barfed? as for the power problems all sorts of odd things han happen with complex systems
  • [23:30:04] <N2TOH> use an isolated motor controler that can detect a crash or hang
  • [23:30:35] <rocky|beagle> what I'm thinking for "linux barg" is having the bone's software send a heartbeat to the pru. If the heartbeat stops, the pru knows it needs to try to land.
  • [23:31:23] <N2TOH> what about a two handshake verify to save against coruption
  • [23:31:39] <rocky|beagle> what do you mean by a two handshake?
  • [23:32:48] <rocky|beagle> like a call response between the bone and the pru?
  • [23:34:25] <N2TOH> yes bi directional, something a bit more then are you there
  • [23:35:05] <N2TOH> send, then verify
  • [23:35:57] <N2TOH> if the PRU can't verify a responce of if the main CPU if awake revert to a controlled decent
  • [23:36:18] <rocky|beagle> I think I understand, but tell me if it's not what you meant. We should have the PRU echo back commands that the ARM sends out to verify that the pru recieved its command without any corruption?
  • [23:37:04] <N2TOH> correct no corruption, but to also make sure both ends have not crashed
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  • [23:37:16] <N2TOH> so your aircraft will not crash
  • [23:38:04] <rocky|beagle> honestly, we're thinking of having the PRU sit between the ARM and the motor controllers. Only the PRU will be able to communicate with them. So if the PRU were to crash, there really isn't any benefit in letting the ARM know.
  • [23:38:14] <N2TOH> have you seen what the GRASP lab has managed to do?
  • [23:38:40] <rocky|beagle> no, what is it?
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  • [23:38:57] <N2TOH> sure there is have the ARM pull a reset vector and prey you can recover before impact
  • [23:39:10] <N2TOH> hang on food on stove bbiab
  • [23:39:31] <rocky|beagle> I honestly didn't think of that :p
  • [23:39:48] <rocky|beagle> I like their swarm of nano copters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4
  • [23:40:02] <N2TOH> yeah that is GRASP lab work
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  • [23:40:27] <N2TOH> their early work got the copters to init midair
  • [23:40:51] <N2TOH> they would just chuck them into the air hand then have them self stabilize
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  • [23:41:32] <rocky|beagle> that's always a fun trick.
  • [23:41:52] <N2TOH> I have no contact with that group, so I don't know if they can already do the trick
  • [23:42:14] <rocky|beagle> I'd say that video means that they do.
  • [23:42:25] <N2TOH> the tough part is how to detect a crash, other then a watch dog timer
  • [23:42:26] <m_billybob> [16:28] <rocky|beagle> the pru can operate independently of the ARM chip, right? <- of the OS yes
  • [23:43:11] <m_billybob> so say the am335x shutdown then yeah so does the PRU
  • [23:43:17] <rocky|beagle> ok
  • [23:43:18] <m_billybob> shuts down*
  • [23:43:24] <rocky|beagle> good to know
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  • [23:45:24] <m_billybob> it jus tlike saying the board processor and al runs the OS etc, but the PRU can run indepentant of the OS.
  • [23:45:57] <m_billybob> or PRU's if you like (since there are two )
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  • [23:46:32] <N2TOH> what sort of interaction is there in the failure modes?
  • [23:46:44] <m_billybob> honestly i have no idea
  • [23:46:57] <m_billybob> no hands on here, but have donea good bit of reading.
  • [23:47:10] <rocky|beagle> you mean failure modes of the beagle in general?
  • [23:47:40] <m_billybob> im *thinking* if there is some kind of reset condition, the PRU's will reset also, but the PRU's run their own code
  • [23:48:10] <m_billybob> how fast they would come back up . . . no idea
  • [23:48:32] <rocky|beagle> I'd think it'd depend on how fast the bone's software could reload them.
  • [23:49:24] <m_billybob> Spruh73c should tell all
  • [23:49:56] <rocky|beagle> well I've got some homework to do, I'll ttyl
  • [23:50:18] <m_billybob> good luck, andi'd like to hear more on what you havefound later
  • [23:50:25] <m_billybob> if you so feel inclined to share.
  • [23:50:46] <rocky|beagle> the project is open source. very glad I don't have to be following any NDAs :p
  • [23:51:32] <rocky|beagle> I'm sure I'll be online again at some point with questions. I'll try to remember to forward the github repo to you when I find out what it is
  • [23:51:36] <N2TOH> good point about the reset condition
  • [23:53:18] <m_billybob> very cool :)
  • [23:53:18] <N2TOH> an even better question for the boot loader guys, LOL! have the board boot up the PRU in priority mode and then verify if the vehicle is flight stable. then maybe procede to a full boot
  • [23:53:43] <rocky|beagle> ^that^ (yeah I'm still here:p)
  • [23:54:40] <N2TOH> a canned ASM code routine would be the fastest. with the hand off being currently in flight and stabilized
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  • [23:56:01] <m_billybob> i see a few possibilities. first I thought of is PRIU realization to auto hover when wifi connection is lost after a certain amount of time. I am sure there is some other better way to handle such a situation though
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  • [23:58:10] <N2TOH> silly question, why use a large overhead interface like WiFi?
  • [23:58:34] <m_billybob> maybe zigbee or some othe rproto would work.
  • [23:59:07] <m_billybob> wifi can have a very good range though. depending on antenna etc
  • [23:59:13] <N2TOH> I take that back, see how much overhead you can strip out of the connection, like forget TCP/IP
  • [23:59:22] <rocky|beagle> you guys should know that we aren't all that deep into the project yet. We're still working on an item list so our subteams can get started interfacing to the IMU, measuring the thrust from our motors, etc.