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  • [00:31:20] <bluetrep> hi guys. I just flashed my BBB with the latest flasher. ran opkg update, then opkg upgrade, now I can not SSH into my board. Should "upgrade ever be run? or is this dangerous?
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  • [01:09:48] <mrpackethead> bluetrep: you can't you cna't trash your bbb flashing it
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  • [02:30:45] <mastiff_> how do I make the leds stop flashing? Flashing leds are causing puppies to attack my BBB puppy cam. They've taken it out three times already.
  • [02:31:24] <mastiff_> Or just turning down brightness alot would be best solution.
  • [02:34:44] <Tartarus> mastiff_, http://beaglebone.cameon.net/home/using-the-user-leds
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  • [02:37:32] <mastiff_> Tartarus, I have no leds-gpio directory in /sys/devices/platform/
  • [02:37:50] <mastiff_> running debian
  • [02:38:11] <Tartarus> keep googling around, I imagine there's a general answer to what happens when the subsystem gets updated and where things live now
  • [02:38:12] <Tartarus> bbl
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  • [02:55:09] <mrpackethead> mastiff_ black marker pen, scribble over the leds.
  • [03:00:58] <bluetrep> I just flashed my BBB with the latest flasher. ran opkg update, then opkg upgrade, now I can not SSH into my board. Should "upgrade" ever be run? or is this dangerous?
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  • [03:07:19] <mrpackethead> bluetrep: you can't desroy it with a software upgraede
  • [03:07:24] <mrpackethead> so dont' worry.
  • [03:07:34] <mrpackethead> whats stopping the ssh
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  • [03:07:42] <mrpackethead> is ssh not running at all
  • [03:07:48] <mrpackethead> or can't you connect to it
  • [03:11:25] <esacadmin> wow have not used IRC in ages..
  • [03:15:17] <mrpackethead> oh.
  • [03:15:19] <mrpackethead> there you go.
  • [03:15:30] <mrpackethead> welcome back then
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  • [03:27:30] <esacadmin> Hey can the sd card image writer software use .iso?
  • [03:27:49] * m_billybob has no clue
  • [03:28:36] <ka6sox-farfarawa> m_billybob, is clueless?
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  • [03:37:18] <esacadmin> which dev is the Angstrom distro stored on? mmcblk0boot1 or mmcblk0p1?
  • [03:38:50] <m_billybob> root@arm:~# blkid
  • [03:39:04] <m_billybob> -/dev/mmcblk1p2: LABEL="Angstrom" UUID="ded34392-3812-4b8d-ab38-342da9a4b0d8" TYPE="ext4"
  • [03:39:17] <m_billybob> label "Angstrom
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  • [03:40:39] <m_billybob> no idea how angstrom does mountpoints
  • [03:41:22] <m_billybob> ka6sox, yeah i dont/cant know everything
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  • [03:42:33] <esacadmin> I was just trying to determine what the device name will be for the micro SD card. I didnt want to install to the 2gb Emmc..
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  • [03:43:28] <m_billybob> esacadmin yeah sorry cant help there, well *maybe* but i run Debian (netboot )
  • [03:43:52] <m_billybob> this *boot partition you mentiuon makes no sense to me :/
  • [03:44:25] <m_billybob> with debian its mmcblk0p1, and mmcblk0p2
  • [03:45:01] <m_billybob> p1 would be the boot part, anbd p2 wouldnt be the rootfs
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  • [03:47:32] <esacadmin> so mmcblk0 must be the dev for the 2gb emmc.. so I dont know what the dev will be for micro SD till I put one in..not a big deal. just was checking to see if anyone knew.. at any rate whenever I install I will of course e able to choose the disk so it doesnt matter
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  • [03:47:59] <m_billybob> mmcblk0 will be whatever device you boot from
  • [03:48:53] <m_billybob> if you boot emmc that will be mmcblk0 and if you boot from uSD, the same
  • [03:50:24] <esacadmin> Does the BBB have a bios?
  • [03:50:39] <ka6sox-farfarawa> no, it has uboot
  • [03:50:50] <m_billybob> not, think of uboot in this context as "the bios" but its also more
  • [03:50:56] <esacadmin> universal boot?
  • [03:51:13] <m_billybob> uboot as in das boot
  • [03:51:14] <ka6sox-farfarawa> its bios++++
  • [03:51:36] <esacadmin> does it have an interface?
  • [03:51:51] <m_billybob> depends on what you mean by interface
  • [03:52:06] <esacadmin> to configure
  • [03:52:17] <m_billybob> you can read uboot messages and even interact with it via serial debig
  • [03:52:20] <m_billybob> yes
  • [03:52:25] <m_billybob> uEnv.txt
  • [03:52:40] <m_billybob> serial debug*
  • [03:52:59] <m_billybob> there is also more a pre uEnv.txt file whcih i dont know a whole lot about
  • [03:53:16] <ka6sox-farfarawa> uEnv.txt
  • [03:53:20] <ka6sox-farfarawa> whoops
  • [03:53:39] <esacadmin> sorry for all the questions, but I mainly just wanted to make sure i did not brick this thing.
  • [03:53:51] <m_billybob> you cant
  • [03:53:59] <m_billybob> you can always fix it
  • [03:54:28] <m_billybob> so maybe you will make bot hthe emmc and the sdcard unbootable, but it is always fixable
  • [03:55:31] <m_billybob> esacadmin here read this. its a blog post i wrote which should give you a rough idea of what you need -> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/debian-tips/beaglebone-black/beaglebone-black-usb-boot/
  • [03:55:40] <esacadmin> ok so its totally possible to install a linux distro to micro SD and have it boot the SD. Thats why I was asking about bios
  • [03:55:52] <m_billybob> its concerfning USB boot, but it should also let you know which files you need, and mostly where they need to be
  • [03:56:07] <esacadmin> thanks.. yeah I was looking for anything people have written.
  • [03:56:18] <esacadmin> ill check that out.
  • [03:56:28] <m_billybob> i hqve netboot guide there too, but it wont work with angstrom
  • [03:57:00] <m_billybob> angstrom ubuntu and fedora, none ofthose will work with the netboot guide, but arch debian, and busybox will
  • [03:57:29] <m_billybob> esacadmin are you airly good with C ?
  • [03:57:38] <m_billybob> fairly good with C*
  • [04:00:29] <m_billybob> this should give you an idea of how some args are meant to be formed in uEnv.txt -> http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/configs/am335x_evm.h;hb=HEAD#l57
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  • [04:01:52] <esacadmin> uh no not much of a c programmer. have used C but have not really got into it that much.
  • [04:04:48] <esacadmin> Yeah just read that link u gave me. what im after is to just to have the distro i want boot from sdcard. is it necessary to keep the angstrom distro?
  • [04:05:04] <m_billybob> no
  • [04:05:12] <m_billybob> you can pretty much use whateer you like
  • [04:05:19] <m_billybob> whatever*
  • [04:05:29] <m_billybob> me . . i like debian so that is what i use
  • [04:05:39] <esacadmin> I mean it seems like it has some useful utils like gateonessh but I guess it does not matter..
  • [04:06:03] <esacadmin> its just so you can get started right away..
  • [04:06:06] <m_billybob> gateone is mostly useless for me . . i use puTTY
  • [04:06:52] <m_billybob> esacadmin do you have a linux machine that could be used for a cross compile system ?
  • [04:07:21] <esacadmin> I use vmware. I can make one :)
  • [04:07:30] <m_billybob> tis what i do too ;)
  • [04:07:47] <m_billybob> have a look at this
  • [04:07:49] <m_billybob> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
  • [04:08:08] <m_billybob> debian / ubuntu guide uboot and kernel compiled from source
  • [04:08:36] <esacadmin> is there a size limit on the sdcard i can use kernel wise ?
  • [04:08:57] <m_billybob> i use a 16GB card, hmm i do not know of a limite though
  • [04:09:11] <m_billybob> i have heard some people talkign about using 32GB cards
  • [04:10:06] <esacadmin> do you use workstation or player?
  • [04:10:16] <m_billybob> virtualbox
  • [04:10:22] <esacadmin> ah..
  • [04:10:36] <m_billybob> i run win7 x64 on the host
  • [04:10:58] <m_billybob> I also have a dedicated debian wheezy machine too
  • [04:11:02] <esacadmin> yeah I have used virtual box, but I am partial to vmware workstation. useing 9.0 now
  • [04:11:40] <m_billybob> ive been using vms since . . .wel at least sicne the early 2000's . . . they're all the same, but yeah virtualbox is free
  • [04:12:07] <m_billybob> they're all seemingly gettign bloated
  • [04:12:30] <esacadmin> wait a sec. I saw that somewhere. is that wheezy a specific custom distro of debian or just a release revision?
  • [04:12:35] <m_billybob> virtualbox used to feel less bloated but its catching up in that regard lately i think
  • [04:12:56] <esacadmin> Yes Oracle is screwing things up i think.
  • [04:12:59] <m_billybob> its a custom kernel only
  • [04:13:15] <m_billybob> no matter what distro you're gogn ot use they're all going ot be custom kernels
  • [04:13:24] <esacadmin> true.
  • [04:13:27] <m_billybob> for instance x86 wheezy is 3.2
  • [04:13:43] <m_billybob> BBB kerneals are all 3.8.x +
  • [04:13:53] <m_billybob> kernels*
  • [04:14:56] <m_billybob> esacadmin i can vouch for those instructions though. Robert Nelson does a very good job
  • [04:15:16] <m_billybob> not that he really needs me to vouchfor him lol
  • [04:17:25] * m_billybob is watching the croods
  • [04:17:38] <m_billybob> been waiting to watch this flick for 8 months . ..
  • [04:17:39] <esacadmin> ah sweet. very nice wiki page. I will check it out...looks like exactly what I was looking for. I have used vmware workstation ever since it became available. thats what introduced me to virtualization.
  • [04:17:54] <m_billybob> same
  • [04:18:06] <m_billybob> dont think sun had started on virtualbox back then
  • [04:18:14] <m_billybob> i did toy with Xen some though
  • [04:18:38] <esacadmin> Before that, I was using 4 pc's with KVM to setup test boxes and network stuff..
  • [04:18:45] <m_billybob> heh
  • [04:18:52] <m_billybob> fun stuff :)
  • [04:19:34] <esacadmin> So glad virtualiation came along. I can now setup any scenario I want from my laptop :).
  • [04:20:06] <m_billybob> no kidding, which really this laptop of mine quad core with 8GB ram . . . rinally able ot use it all
  • [04:20:30] <m_billybob> been running two single core 2 GB ram VM for hmm
  • [04:20:34] * m_billybob looks
  • [04:20:43] <esacadmin> yeah I have 8Gb on this laptop. and its just my work laptop
  • [04:20:51] <m_billybob> root@arm:~# uptime
  • [04:20:51] <m_billybob> 21:22:24 up 25 days, 21:15, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
  • [04:20:57] <m_billybob> 25 days ;)
  • [04:21:22] <m_billybob> i power my BBB via usb 3 off this laptop too
  • [04:21:24] <esacadmin> win7 with a few apps for work eats up at least 2.5 to 3gb
  • [04:22:04] <m_billybob> heh i has 95MB free memory
  • [04:22:05] <esacadmin> but Outlook is a resource hog for sure..with Lync integrated.. bleh...
  • [04:22:06] <m_billybob> right now
  • [04:22:40] <m_billybob> i have*
  • [04:22:58] <m_billybob> wow did a canhazcheeseburger moment there
  • [04:23:52] <m_billybob> yeah cant say about outlook havent used it in years
  • [04:24:11] <m_billybob> been using webmail for a long long time
  • [04:24:24] <m_billybob> I try to avoid using anything like that from MS
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  • [04:28:11] <esacadmin> yeah but when you work for corps like I do..most use microsoft crap
  • [04:29:07] <m_billybob> understood
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  • [04:30:21] <esacadmin> you run your own email server?
  • [04:30:34] <m_billybob> I dont no.
  • [04:30:56] <m_billybob> my buddy does, but i dont use his
  • [04:31:02] <m_billybob> i just use gmail
  • [04:32:20] <m_billybob> then if i ever need to use an A record, etc, i have him set it up for me. and link it to my gmail account ;)
  • [04:37:51] <esacadmin> heh that will work.
  • [04:38:07] <m_billybob> my needs are fairly simple
  • [04:38:08] <esacadmin> does he use sendmail?
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  • [04:38:19] <m_billybob> not sure what he uses
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  • [04:39:19] <m_billybob> email server stuff is something i dont know much about, and honestly is somethign i really dotn care to know much about
  • [04:39:21] <esacadmin> you could use nmap -A ip to see.
  • [04:40:25] <esacadmin> i would say telnet to port but telnet is not used much anymore
  • [04:41:49] <esacadmin> yeah I know what u mean.. I dont really want to know too much about web application servers either
  • [04:42:33] <m_billybob> thats something i need to know eventually
  • [04:42:49] <m_billybob> making a linux appliance of sorts out of our BBB's
  • [04:43:03] <m_billybob> remote site management appliance
  • [04:46:15] <m_billybob> lol this movie is prett yfunny
  • [04:46:59] <ka6sox-farfarawa> m_billybob, which movie
  • [04:47:05] <m_billybob> the croods
  • [04:47:32] <m_billybob> been waiting to see it for like 8months
  • [04:51:30] <esacadmin> cool well Im off to play some xbox for a little bit
  • [04:51:41] <esacadmin> thanks for the tips
  • [04:51:46] <m_billybob> np
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  • [08:15:25] <KotH> a wonderfull french JIHAD everyone!
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  • [08:23:22] <dm8tbr> KotH: comes with complimentary croissant?
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  • [08:24:55] <KotH> sure
  • [08:25:17] <SyNko> Helo
  • [08:25:24] <SyNko> *Hello
  • [08:25:29] <dm8tbr> ehlo
  • [08:25:49] <SyNko> i've got a bb black, now it's flashed with debian hf
  • [08:26:05] <SyNko> i need drivers for usb devices
  • [08:26:12] <SyNko> im using wget https://raw.github.com/gkaindl/beaglebone-ubuntu-scripts/master/bb-get-rcn-kernel-source.sh
  • [08:26:23] <SyNko> is it ok?
  • [08:26:51] <SyNko> ( im using that to get the environment to compile the modules )
  • [08:27:02] <dm8tbr> not many people here use debian hf with rcn's stuff
  • [08:27:18] <SyNko> oh shhtt
  • [08:27:36] <SyNko> dm8tbr : it means i will not find drivers?
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  • [08:27:54] <SyNko> sorry for my english, im italian
  • [08:28:33] <dm8tbr> it just means you'll have to figure things out yourself without someone hand holding you through the whole process...
  • [08:29:42] <dm8tbr> or god forbid, you might need to read documentation
  • [08:31:10] <SyNko> the whole not needed, i think im an average linux user ready to lone fightin, but i've my limits like no way to make a module by my self, are the debian modules compatible for arm hf? ( i mean the just source )
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  • [08:32:38] <dm8tbr> the kernel doesn't know about sf vs hf
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  • [08:33:11] <dm8tbr> so yes it's the same kernel for both
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  • [08:35:53] <KotH> dm8tbr: what does sf and hf stand for?
  • [08:36:19] * KotH somehow cannot think
  • [08:36:22] <dm8tbr> softfloat hardfloat
  • [08:36:26] <KotH> ah..
  • [08:36:27] <KotH> right
  • [08:36:39] * KotH knew that there was something floating around in his mind
  • [08:36:49] <dm8tbr> ;-??
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  • [08:41:38] <blaaa> are people using the preview of java 8 on their BBBs?
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  • [08:49:45] <SyNko> tnx dm8tbr
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  • [09:52:31] <Anguel> hello, I am looking at the TI SDK which is based on Arago. As far as I understand it uses an older 3.2 kernel but also supports the BBB. Can some of the experts briefly tell me the difference between Arago and Angstrom - are there any major benefits or drawbacks of any of them?
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  • [09:53:59] <Anguel> both seem to be based on OE and Yocto
  • [09:58:28] <mrpackethead> I'd use Debian
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  • [10:02:09] <Mode-M> i never heard of arago
  • [10:12:19] <SyNko> mrpackethead: me too
  • [10:18:09] <Anguel> arago is ti's own distribution. they claim that it thoroughly tested. also, as ti seems to create all the bsp and drivers I think that other distros use it
  • [10:19:05] <Anguel> at least ti seem to have some docs for their SDK, for Angstrom I find no docs, don't know where to start
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  • [10:20:55] <Anguel> mrpackethead: why exactly debian? what are the benefits in comparison to ubuntu or angstrom?
  • [10:21:29] <mrpackethead> I just use debian because (a) it works for me and (b) i'm used it it
  • [10:21:37] <mrpackethead> and (c) i di'nt know any thing about angrstom
  • [10:21:43] <Anguel> ok, that's an argument :-)
  • [10:21:55] * Tenkawa wont recommend any 1 for all.. i for example use slackware
  • [10:23:05] <Anguel> mrpackethead: are you using Qt?
  • [10:23:12] <mrpackethead> no
  • [10:23:26] <Anguel> mrpackethead: using USB?
  • [10:23:33] <mrpackethead> not really
  • [10:23:50] <Anguel> mrpackethead: ethernet?
  • [10:24:07] <mrpackethead> yes, ethernet, i2c, spi and GPIO
  • [10:24:29] <Anguel> mrpackethead: from C++?
  • [10:24:33] <mrpackethead> C
  • [10:24:43] <mrpackethead> and C++
  • [10:24:49] <mrpackethead> python
  • [10:24:59] <Tenkawa> awww..no arm assembly?
  • [10:25:07] <Tenkawa> hehh
  • [10:25:55] <Anguel> mrpackethead: does your app configure DHCP / IP from within your C code?
  • [10:28:06] <KotH> Anguel: do you know linux?
  • [10:28:34] <Anguel> KotH: Just starting to learn it :-)
  • [10:29:03] <KotH> Anguel: ok, then first learn linux, before asking more questions
  • [10:29:16] <KotH> Anguel: especially the KISS principle and "the way of unix" :)
  • [10:29:38] <Anguel> KotH: which of my questions was stupid?
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  • [10:29:58] <KotH> Anguel: none, but they show that you dont know much about linux
  • [10:30:05] <KotH> Anguel: and that's a bad idea if you want to do embedded linux
  • [10:30:36] <KotH> if you know linux, the answers to your questions will immediatly come to you
  • [10:30:52] <Anguel> KotH: ok, but please tell me which of the things I said showed that I don't know it
  • [10:31:44] <mrpackethead> Anguel: " does your app configure DHCP / IP from within your C code? "
  • [10:31:56] <mrpackethead> No, why would i do that
  • [10:32:10] <KotH> Anguel: debian vs ubuntu vs angstr?m, using usb, using ethernet, configuring ip addresses from an aplication
  • [10:32:44] <mrpackethead> KotH: happy sunday
  • [10:32:51] <Anguel> KotH: ok, i need a gui where I want to set DHCP or a static IP, how whould you do that?
  • [10:33:01] <Anguel> KotH: if not from the app
  • [10:33:03] <KotH> mrpackethead: it's not that happy.. i'm way too sleepy
  • [10:33:08] <KotH> mrpackethead: but it's lunch time :)
  • [10:33:15] <mrpackethead> it almost bed time
  • [10:33:30] <mrpackethead> spent my day, doing emergency get project back on track
  • [10:33:31] <mrpackethead> day
  • [10:33:40] <mrpackethead> becuase stupid manufacturer let me down big time
  • [10:33:46] <mrpackethead> and i only accidently found out
  • [10:33:50] <KotH> Anguel: learn unix and all will come naturally to you
  • [10:34:12] <KotH> mrpackethead: fuckk...
  • [10:34:16] <KotH> mrpackethead: i hate it when that happens
  • [10:34:21] <Anguel> KotH: if you are an expert maybe you can just point me to where to start reading about this
  • [10:34:21] <mrpackethead> yup
  • [10:34:27] <KotH> mrpackethead: anyways, sleep well and dont get too grumpy about it
  • [10:34:38] <mrpackethead> MCPCB manfuacturer
  • [10:34:43] <mrpackethead> who told me 4 weeks
  • [10:34:48] <mrpackethead> had'nt even started manfuacture
  • [10:34:51] <KotH> Anguel: any linux book
  • [10:34:51] <mrpackethead> gah.
  • [10:34:58] <KotH> ouch
  • [10:35:03] <KotH> mrpackethead: use a bomb belt
  • [10:35:18] <mrpackethead> fortuantly, i've hacked together a solution
  • [10:35:30] <mrpackethead> and i got lucky
  • [10:35:37] <mrpackethead> the PCB is pretty sepcialist
  • [10:36:02] <mrpackethead> but i was able to get hold of 800 pces of a pcb that works
  • [10:36:07] <Anguel> KotH: maybe you can give me a short hint how you would configure dhcp / ip from my app so I know where to read
  • [10:36:26] <mrpackethead> Anguel: dhcp is not configured from your app
  • [10:36:49] <mrpackethead> in debian its configured in /etc/network/interfaces
  • [10:37:24] <Anguel> mrpackethead: so what is the problem about doing this from the app?
  • [10:38:06] <mrpackethead> becuase thats not how you do things in Linux
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  • [10:38:49] <Anguel> mrpackethead: and how would you do it if you need to give your GUI app to an end-user?
  • [10:39:05] <Anguel> tell him to log in or what?
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  • [10:40:23] <Anguel> not sure if i am the only one who does not know about embedded linux here...
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  • [10:44:08] <Anguel> but thanks anyway for pointing me to "linux for dummies" instead of giving me a short hint if you are such experts
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  • [10:47:37] <vmayoral> hi there guys!
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  • [10:48:22] <vmayoral> i was yesterday night trying to make my BB WiFi (Edimax USB adapter) work with Angstrom (kernel 3.8, Last image)
  • [10:48:39] <flufmnstr> cross compiling means i dont have to have the same arch on all the machines involved in the compile pool, right?
  • [10:48:39] <vmayoral> while i can connect to a network using my BBB
  • [10:48:46] <vmayoral> with the exact same configuration
  • [10:48:58] <vmayoral> the BB doesn't seem to connect
  • [10:49:02] <vmayoral> has anybody experienced this?
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  • [10:49:39] <vmayoral> is it possible to use WiFi with Angstrom with the 3.8 kernel using the BB?
  • [10:49:59] <vmayoral> i surfed quite a bit the google groups and i found some people with the same issue
  • [10:50:54] <Tenkawa> vmayoral: not sure about angstrom but i use slackware, 3.8.13 kernel with a usb ralink based wifi adapter just fine on my bbb
  • [10:51:04] <vmayoral> http://www.codealpha.net/864/how-to-set-up-a-rtl8192cu-on-the-beaglebone-black-bbb/ solves the situation for the BBB but it doesn't work on the BB
  • [10:51:12] <Tenkawa> ah
  • [10:51:39] <Tenkawa> what error/condition do you get on the bb?
  • [10:51:51] <vmayoral> Tenkawa: good to hear that it works in Slackware, i believe it does so with Ubuntu as well
  • [10:51:57] <vmayoral> that's actually what is troubling me
  • [10:52:13] <vmayoral> the WiFi dongle is recongnized properly
  • [10:52:22] <Tenkawa> i've actually had a lot of trouble with the edimax adapter
  • [10:52:29] <blaaa> edimax....
  • [10:52:34] <Tenkawa> thats why i put in a rslink based one
  • [10:52:37] <Tenkawa> er ralink
  • [10:52:40] <vmayoral> mm, i see, maybe that's it
  • [10:52:59] <Tenkawa> rtl8192cu was not consistent for me
  • [10:52:59] <vmayoral> well i could order another one then and try it out
  • [10:53:05] <flufmnstr> with the edimax on the RPi i HAVE to use the GUI to configure for a new network. not matter what i try i cant get it to associate via the command line
  • [10:53:28] <Anguel> vmayoral: have you tried this already? http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/beaglebone-adding-usb-wi-fi-building-a-linux-kernel/
  • [10:54:15] <vmayoral> Anguel: yes, i did
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  • [10:54:59] <vmayoral> i was really anoyed but then i started searching and it seem more people has found issues with Angstrom 3.8.13 and WiFi dongles
  • [10:55:05] <vmayoral> (probably the edimax)
  • [10:55:06] <Tenkawa> flufmnstr: i did get my rpi+edimax working from cli
  • [10:55:34] <Tenkawa> just using wpa_supplicant and a static ip
  • [10:55:45] <Tenkawa> never could though on the bbb
  • [10:55:56] <Tenkawa> not with slackware anyway
  • [10:56:29] <vmayoral> for the bbb this works like a charm http://www.codealpha.net/864/how-to-set-up-a-rtl8192cu-on-the-beaglebone-black-bbb/
  • [10:56:43] <Tenkawa> cool
  • [10:56:53] <Tenkawa> gotta go afk... bbl
  • [10:57:01] <flufmnstr> Tenkawa out of curiosity, 3.2.27?
  • [10:57:16] <vmayoral> Tenkawa: thanks for following :)
  • [10:57:41] <vmayoral> did anybody have success with Angstrom 3.8.13 + Edimax WiFi dongle in the BB?
  • [10:59:17] <mrpackethead> KotH: theres no teaching these guys that there is no shortcuts
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  • [11:55:11] <KotH> mrpackethead: yeah... there is no point in teachin people :(
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  • [12:10:14] <vmayoral> all right, i guess i should assume that nobody had success with Angstrom 3.8.13 + Edimax WiFi dongle in the BB. I'll try the #angstrom channel to see if somebody went through the same
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  • [12:47:51] <LetoThe2nd> the BBB's pwm outs are available through the usual kernel API, like pwm_{request,free,enable,...}, right?
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  • [16:14:54] <honestly> should a beagleboard xM C1 have an RTC?
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  • [16:28:56] <emeb_mac> IIRC there's an RTC in the PMIC. If you've got a battery backup then it should work.
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  • [18:19:14] <rbarris> hey sub! /wave
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  • [18:42:56] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy 4 israel&usa???
  • [18:42:56] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???
  • [18:42:57] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ?????????????????? ???????????????? ?? ????????????????????
  • [18:42:58] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog(facebook&twitter) spy4israel&usa???
  • [18:42:58] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???
  • [18:42:59] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> ???? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ?????????????????? ???????????????? ?? ????????????????????
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  • [18:52:29] <Tenkawa> so... has anyone succeeded in getting 3.11-rc4 to run on a bbb yet?
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  • [18:56:53] <Tenkawa> also any ideas why there isnt a 3.10 branch on github?
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  • [18:58:28] <Vaizki> I think bleeding edgers just take a patch set and go with that for now
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  • [18:59:58] <Tenkawa> Vaizki: yeah.. even when i compile with a hardcoded loadaddr it cant seem to load my kernel
  • [19:00:13] <Tenkawa> i think i have to be missing something simple
  • [19:00:40] <Vaizki> well I'm no kernel expert
  • [19:00:47] <Tenkawa> i just recompiled the 3.8 branch and tested 10+ different combinations
  • [19:01:10] <Tenkawa> i think its uboot related heh
  • [19:01:25] <Tenkawa> but dont quote me
  • [19:01:39] <m_billybob> well is loadaddr isnt working . . .yeah thats a uboot thing not kernel related
  • [19:02:05] <Vaizki> let me guess, you don't have a ttl serial usb and you're doing this blind? :)
  • [19:02:13] <Tenkawa> Vaizki: of course..
  • [19:02:15] <m_billybob> i do remember reading somewhere there was some sort of bug in 3.10.x what exactly i dotn remember
  • [19:02:17] <Vaizki> ffs
  • [19:02:28] <Tenkawa> Vaizki: still waiting on my parts to arrive
  • [19:02:51] <Tenkawa> for now i just continue to tune 3.8
  • [19:02:56] <Vaizki> and you need 3.10 why?
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  • [19:03:42] <m_billybob> I think everyone for the sake of bbb is also skipping over 3.10 . ..
  • [19:03:42] <Tenkawa> who said anything about need
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  • [19:04:06] <Tenkawa> m_billybob: probaby not a bad idea
  • [19:04:08] <m_billybob> afaik next iteration is 3.12
  • [19:04:15] <m_billybob> for angstrom debian etc
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  • [19:04:28] <Vaizki> yea I 3.12 and backport some stuff from there to 3.10
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  • [19:04:51] <Vaizki> 3.10 is LTS so some people are going to want to run it
  • [19:04:56] <Tenkawa> although 3.8 isnt even listed on kernel.org anymore
  • [19:05:02] <m_billybob> Tenkawa for whateer its worth, 3.12-rac0/1 is only a couple weeks out
  • [19:05:09] <m_billybob> err
  • [19:05:09] <Tenkawa> and its still updated on bb
  • [19:05:17] <m_billybob> 3.12-rc0/1
  • [19:05:22] <Tenkawa> m_billybob: nice
  • [19:05:33] <m_billybob> thats the word anyhow
  • [19:05:52] <Tenkawa> hhhe
  • [19:05:57] <Tenkawa> er heheh
  • [19:06:24] <Tenkawa> well either way thanld to you both for the info
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  • [19:06:30] <Tenkawa> er thanks
  • [19:06:52] <Tenkawa> at least my crosscompiler build box is working nicely now
  • [19:07:08] <Vaizki> Tenkawa: everyone working on the BBB kernel is aiming to have stuff in the mainline instead of forking every new kernel
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  • [19:07:59] <Vaizki> yes it's ambitious and no I don't know how it's going but if I were to venture a guess it will take some time
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  • [19:08:26] <Vaizki> it's not like the mainline is very receptive to ARM stuff with all these pesky BOARDS and shit
  • [19:08:38] <Tenkawa> heh ..
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  • [19:08:44] <Vaizki> like wtf is wrong with you ARM people, put a BIOS on your boards!
  • [19:08:59] <Vaizki> or ACPI or gtfo
  • [19:09:22] <Tenkawa> heheh
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  • [19:09:43] <Tenkawa> i remember porting linux to hppa
  • [19:09:55] <Tenkawa> that was a similar deal
  • [19:10:00] <dgilmore> Vaizki: its getting there, and from the distro point of view we want the support to go to mainline
  • [19:10:09] <Tenkawa> with even less support/interest
  • [19:10:20] * dgilmore is heavily involved in Fedora, and we wont support the BBB until its upstream
  • [19:10:36] * Tenkawa uses slackware in his
  • [19:11:10] <Vaizki> dgilmore: but it's not going to make it in 3.12
  • [19:11:10] <Tenkawa> er on
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  • [19:13:28] <Vaizki> and since we're hanging distros out I use Arch on mine
  • [19:14:02] <dgilmore> :) in the end the distro shouldnt matter
  • [19:14:36] <Vaizki> a pure matter of taste for me
  • [19:14:39] <dgilmore> slowly vendors are doing better at getting support upstream, which makes things supportable
  • [19:15:16] <Vaizki> 3.8.13-9 is the kernel version I have on Arch
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  • [19:15:36] <Vaizki> so yea for a bleeding edge rolling release distro it's very much stuck in 3.8 for now
  • [19:15:39] <Vaizki> not that I mind
  • [19:15:46] <dgilmore> i do wonder how many distro's have adopted unifed kernels
  • [19:17:01] <Vaizki> I don't.
  • [19:17:28] <dgilmore> at least for fedora it is the only way we add new platforms
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  • [19:18:28] <dgilmore> we also only build the kernel from mainline sources with minor patching
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  • [19:19:01] <Vaizki> well arch linux arm is a port of arch linux
  • [19:19:41] <Vaizki> but there's not that many packages that need an arm-specific package build file for ARM
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  • [19:21:10] <dgilmore> all of fedora's sources are the same across all arches
  • [19:21:21] <dgilmore> im talking about the kernel specificly
  • [19:21:21] <Vaizki> the Arch ARM guys are a bit pragmatic.. the PKGBUILD for the kernel pulls in debian's kernel patches ;)
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  • [19:21:52] <dgilmore> we only build a single unified kernel that runs on all supported platforms
  • [19:22:08] <Vaizki> dgilmore: a noble and commendable practise I guess, unfortunately it has no value to me :)
  • [19:22:11] <m_billybob> Tenkawa, yeah its nice to have a cross compile system setup isnt it ? I have one VM that does cross compile and tftp / nfs for netbooting, and then i have a dedicated laptop cross compile system too,
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  • [19:22:15] <dgilmore> we follow linus's tree closely
  • [19:22:47] <mrpackethead> ding dong ding.
  • [19:23:14] <dgilmore> Vaizki: without a unified kernel we would have to build something like 10 different kernels
  • [19:23:22] <Vaizki> yea sure
  • [19:23:25] <dgilmore> which makes support really difficult
  • [19:23:30] <Vaizki> https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/tree/master/core
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  • [19:23:41] <Vaizki> there's the linux-* kernels for Arch
  • [19:23:50] <m_billybob> yeah distro is just a matter of "taste"
  • [19:23:59] <Vaizki> and yes all the platforms are on different versions
  • [19:24:03] <m_billybob> everyone likes thigns their way, which is fine with me
  • [19:24:07] <dgilmore> looks like arch builds a crap ton of kernels
  • [19:24:13] <Vaizki> some are on 3.8, some on 3.11 jetc
  • [19:24:47] <Vaizki> dgilmore: yes but it supports all kinds of weird crap and horrible hacks like the raspi ;)
  • [19:24:50] <m_billybob> Vaizki so this roll distro concept what all does that apply to ? kernel too ?
  • [19:24:55] <m_billybob> rolling distro*
  • [19:24:58] <Vaizki> yea everything
  • [19:25:09] <m_billybob> how often does arch break ?
  • [19:25:32] <Vaizki> well I've had one package break on my systems in hmm.. 5 years?
  • [19:25:47] <dgilmore> Vaizki: we dropped support for v5 and v6 with Fedora 19
  • [19:25:50] <Vaizki> but I don't have X or any desktop stuff on anything
  • [19:26:15] <m_billybob> yeah you're like me in that regard then
  • [19:26:16] <Vaizki> m_billybob: downgrading can be a real pain on Arch
  • [19:26:22] <m_billybob> no x
  • [19:26:44] <dgilmore> Vaizki: I get why some distros do the seperate kernel route,to me it highlights how broken the kernel was on arm
  • [19:26:45] <Vaizki> I like my linux compact and up to date
  • [19:26:46] <m_billybob> what distro isnt though ?
  • [19:26:56] <m_billybob> hard to retrograde i mean
  • [19:27:10] <Vaizki> yea but often you will find an older version of the package
  • [19:27:24] <Vaizki> with Arch, it's usually gone in an hour or so after the new one pops up :)
  • [19:27:52] <Vaizki> of course the old version will be in your package cache directory unless you've cleaned it out
  • [19:27:57] <m_billybob> Vaizki so documentation, compared to debian would you say it is as good ? good enough ? far worse ?
  • [19:28:03] <m_billybob> i have to have docs for my distro
  • [19:28:21] <Vaizki> well for the x86 stuff the wiki is very very good
  • [19:28:27] <Vaizki> at least for my use
  • [19:28:30] <m_billybob> im considering toying with arch, probably in a vm when i get time to do so
  • [19:28:49] <m_billybob> well 99% of x86 stuffs should apply to ARM too
  • [19:28:57] <Vaizki> yes of course
  • [19:29:11] <Vaizki> but Arch has gone all systemd
  • [19:29:28] <Vaizki> which is causing me testicular pain and brain swelling
  • [19:29:39] <m_billybob> that what I find funny abotu the groups, peopel keep askign stuff like "how do i do x-y-z on the BBB . . ."
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  • [19:29:58] <m_billybob> like "how do i install <some package>"
  • [19:30:17] <m_billybob> um first you do equivelent of apt-cache search <packagename>
  • [19:30:24] <m_billybob> ;)
  • [19:30:44] <m_billybob> err yeah but after apt-get update of course
  • [19:30:58] <Vaizki> I
  • [19:31:15] <Vaizki> I'm not saying Arch is perfect.. you HAVE to check what it's upgrading for example :)
  • [19:31:22] <Vaizki> and read the warnings
  • [19:31:42] <Vaizki> because there are no releases, running an update can change a lot of things
  • [19:31:47] <m_billybob> it probably wont replace debian for me, but i do check out new distro's ( to me ) once in a while
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  • [19:32:00] <Vaizki> like get rid of /bin and /sbin
  • [19:32:14] <Vaizki> and move everything to /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
  • [19:32:27] <mru> ugh
  • [19:32:35] <m_billybob> for instance, i took a long look at Linux mint debian edition . . . didnt really liek that much even though its like a more stable Debian testing
  • [19:33:17] <m_billybob> maybe im jus ta glutton for punishment but i run windows when i need a desktop, and all my Linux installs typicaly run headless with no X
  • [19:34:05] <Vaizki> I run macs for desktops and especially laptops, windows for software that I can't use on a Mac and Arch for everything without a monitor on it
  • [19:34:14] <m_billybob> I have a Debian sarge machine here, thats had sarge on it since sarge was still testing . . . thats the only install I have that has X on it right now
  • [19:34:38] <m_billybob> think i have AfterSTEP on it for a window manager
  • [19:34:46] <m_billybob> havent fired it up in years
  • [19:34:53] <Vaizki> there's still craploads of stuff that only runs on winblows.. can't help it.
  • [19:35:06] <m_billybob> also cant beat windows for gaming
  • [19:35:12] <Vaizki> well I don't
  • [19:35:18] <m_billybob> i do occationally
  • [19:35:30] <m_billybob> when i need a break from writtign code or whatever
  • [19:36:22] <m_billybob> this summer as in the last two months ive been so busy improving the property here i havent had much time to do either
  • [19:36:47] <mru> afterstep, that brings back memories
  • [19:36:59] <m_billybob> :)
  • [19:37:36] <m_billybob> ive yet to give lxde a try, thinking abotu putting it on my laptop thatdual boots wheezy
  • [19:37:52] <Vaizki> just run dwm, who needs overlapping windows
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  • [19:38:52] <m_billybob> i kind of want to get a copy of eclipse going, but i refuse to install JVM on any of my widnows machines
  • [19:39:02] <m_billybob> windows*
  • [19:40:10] <m_billybob> this laptop im using now, runs windows 7 x64, but since its windows i have AV software running on it, and while it is a quad core, its only 1.4Ghz so . . . eclipse wont run very quickly on this machine with all that said
  • [19:40:50] <vxe> m_billybob: it's okay, I've never found a computer that runs eclipse well
  • [19:41:07] <m_billybob> ive been using code::blocks
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  • [19:41:50] <m_billybob> so far its the best free IDE ive found that makes it fairly simple to setup any/most gcc toolchain on
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  • [19:42:18] <m_billybob> but gdb support on it is pretty bad
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  • [19:44:05] <m_billybob> Still i prefer to use sublime text 2, then i just toss the project into code::blocks and let it works its "magic"
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  • [19:49:01] <Vaizki> people who make mistakes
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  • [19:52:27] <m_billybob> printf();
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  • [19:54:57] <mru> +1
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  • [20:01:56] <emeb> I never make misteaks
  • [20:03:30] <mru> +1
  • [20:04:40] <ka6sox-farfarawa> +2
  • [20:06:13] <mru> mistakes are for the weak
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  • [20:12:06] <m_billybob> i do, and mostly they're silly enough for printf() to work ;)
  • [20:12:38] <m_billybob> or "expected ';' before '}'
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  • [20:37:39] <mru> LetoThe2nd: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/party-dirndl-trend-german-traditionalists
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  • [21:02:10] <brm> Morning all, Anyone help me on a Beaglebone kernel patch issue?
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  • [21:07:53] <dm8tbr> unless you are able to state your issue...
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  • [21:26:23] <rapphil_> Hi. I'm playing around with bbb. I'm trying to understand how the Angstron build system works.
  • [21:26:39] <rapphil_> Until now I was abble to build images and build a toolchain.
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  • [21:27:42] <rapphil_> For the next step, I would like to know how to configure the linux kernel and customize wich applications will be present in the rootfs.
  • [21:27:57] <rapphil_> Can anyone give me a 2 cents?
  • [21:28:30] <rapphil_> By configuring I mean writing a mock device driver and get it delivered with the image.
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  • [21:29:43] <rapphil_> Moreover, I would like to knwon how to access the console when I build an Image? I had worked with the beaglebone that have access through ftdi.
  • [21:29:55] <rapphil_> Is there a similar method over USB to the BBB?
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