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  • [00:32:22] <dostoyevsky> I wonder how much work Google has put into Java to make it work fast enough for Android on arm
  • [00:34:02] <thefunc5> i dont understand why android is just linux with a java stack on top
  • [00:34:08] <thefunc5> thats a wierd way to build and OS imho
  • [00:35:37] <dostoyevsky> Yeah, especially on a system like arm... but then I haven't really used android
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  • [00:54:17] <Spirilis> android uses java as a language, but its VM is a complete reimplementation of the stack meant for lightweight platforms
  • [00:54:22] <Spirilis> (dalvik)
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  • [02:18:24] * mranostay hugs the channel
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  • [02:22:26] <m_billybob> baaa
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  • [02:22:54] <mranostay> m_billybob: don't escape the hug
  • [02:23:04] * m_billybob wasnt here
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  • [02:23:15] <m_billybob> so by default you huged my IRC clients
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  • [02:23:46] <m_billybob> got a decent buzz and um yeah ok that
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  • [02:24:28] <m_billybob> ok, so like what ? groups #beagle hug ?
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  • [02:27:50] <m_billybob> people dont stick with angstrom because they're dumb ?
  • [02:28:04] <m_billybob> otay . . . . . .
  • [02:28:11] * m_billybob is reading up
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  • [02:28:27] <mranostay> m_billybob: going to ELCE?
  • [02:29:00] <m_billybob> not even sure what that acro stands for mranostay. but typically i dont show for stuff like that
  • [02:29:58] <m_billybob> last even i went to was during the "new day" vista release thing. mainly, because wulf and I both made a living from fixing windows machines
  • [02:30:02] <m_billybob> event*
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  • [02:40:11] <prpplague> m_billybob: Elite Linux Commandos in Europe
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  • [02:43:45] <mranostay> prpplague: do we get bb guns at least?
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  • [02:44:21] <prpplague> mranostay: paint ball guns, and get to stalk ballmer and gates cardboard cut outs
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  • [03:01:06] <mranostay> prpplague: do random chair come flying out?
  • [03:01:14] <Alviur> Hi, Can you say me how to do serial communication between beagleboard C3 and arduino microcontroller?
  • [03:02:12] <ds2> the exact same you you do it on any Linux system
  • [03:02:21] <ds2> s/you you/way you/
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  • [03:03:55] <prpplague> Alviur: have you using an arduino with a "pc" running linux?
  • [03:04:04] <prpplague> s/using/used
  • [03:05:12] <Alviur> mmmm a little bit with Qt
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  • [03:05:59] <prpplague> Alviur: let me rephrase the question
  • [03:06:06] <prpplague> Alviur: have you used an arduino before?
  • [03:07:18] <Alviur> yeah
  • [03:08:20] <Alviur> but just with serial port in arduino interface I did that
  • [03:08:48] <Alviur> I don't know how to communicate my beagle board
  • [03:09:05] <Alviur> with arduinos serial port
  • [03:10:59] <prpplague> Alviur: how did you do it before?
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  • [03:13:31] <Alviur> well I did an arduino program and then just send the commands to micro through arduino serial window
  • [03:14:24] <prpplague> Alviur: you mean you used the arduino ide on a host pc?
  • [03:15:10] <Alviur> yeah
  • [03:15:26] <prpplague> Alviur: avr tools such as avrdude and simple terminal window are available on the stock beaglebone black
  • [03:15:42] <prpplague> Alviur: i'd suggest learning out to use the arduino with a linux pc first
  • [03:16:02] <prpplague> Alviur: but there are a ton of "howto" pages on using arduino with beaglebone , just use google
  • [03:16:45] <ds2> or just wait for post GSoC
  • [03:17:02] <ds2> then you'll just use the Beagle like the arduino
  • [03:17:04] <ds2> ;)
  • [03:17:08] <prpplague> ds2: indeed
  • [03:17:22] <prpplague> ds2: need to wait another couple of months
  • [03:17:27] <prpplague> Alviur: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-BeagleBone-and-an-Arduino-communicat/
  • [03:17:39] <ds2> slow students?
  • [03:18:21] <prpplague> ds2: students are great, just got other stuff to work on as well
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  • [03:18:58] <Rickta59> prpplague, so i've been messing around with arduino 1.5.3 ..
  • [03:19:05] <Rickta59> pretty simple to add a new architecture
  • [03:19:54] <ds2> oh
  • [03:20:02] <prpplague> Rickta59: yep, all the libs we've made should move right over
  • [03:20:17] <Rickta59> the directory structure is different though
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  • [03:20:29] <prpplague> Rickta59: yea, already looked
  • [03:20:36] <prpplague> Rickta59: shouldn't require much
  • [03:20:51] <prpplague> Rickta59: easier right now to do the dev with just the makefiles
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  • [03:21:53] <Rickta59> http://oi39.tinypic.com/2duckkh.jpg
  • [03:22:25] <prpplague> Rickta59: ahh dandy, you got msp430 running?
  • [03:22:30] <Rickta59> yeah
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  • [03:22:44] <Rickta59> i have a chip that isn't supported so i thought i would try it out using that
  • [03:22:59] <Rickta59> as adding compiler arguments in energia means i have to hack the ui
  • [03:23:10] <Rickta59> this it is all in the platform.txt
  • [03:23:21] <Rickta59> so you can do whatever you want
  • [03:23:36] <Rickta59> change the compiler / args / upload
  • [03:24:08] <Rickta59> and i just noticed that you can get some of the fram chips in tssop28 now
  • [03:24:19] <Rickta59> probably been like that for a while, i just never noticed
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  • [03:31:45] <prpplague> Rickta59: sounds like it is basically all the patches i submitted to them back in 2010
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  • [03:35:29] <Rickta59> yeah it is very similar also to what the digilent guys did
  • [03:35:37] <Rickta59> with the chipkit
  • [03:36:04] <Rickta59> robert should have done your patches to energia
  • [03:36:36] <Rickta59> still should .. seems like he is going to release something in sept
  • [03:36:41] <Rickta59> time to get your ground work in place
  • [03:38:02] <prpplague> yea i am going to hold off on that
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  • [04:37:35] <bsite341> on my bitbake virtual/kernel I get "Unable to determine endianness for architecture 'armv7l'"
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  • [06:27:04] <Cure_> Does also anybody have problems with the clock? Where can i restart it? As i tried to put in the right time to the clock it crashed . So i always get in a brwoser the message NO TRUSTED CERTIFICATE.
  • [06:29:42] <kblin> I just run ntpd on my beagles, works fine
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  • [06:33:08] <koen> LetoThe2nd: is that you: http://i.imgur.com/HXRCvR6.jpg ?
  • [06:34:13] <emeb_mac> pony people
  • [06:34:23] <LetoThe2nd> koen: hehe. possible, but my josef is spelled 'f' not 'ph'
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  • [06:40:03] <CU> the clock on angstroem (06-2013) has crashed so i have no ssl. how can ire start it?
  • [06:42:06] <ds2> so Angstrom is a timeless distribution? :D
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  • [06:43:15] <CU> the man who was searched by the police and did a bank robbery in berlin steglitz did attack me in the past. he is on police webside. a fat man. i didnt get money from the robbery.
  • [06:43:15] <ka6sox> ds2, its meta-time
  • [06:43:15] <LetItBeFree> Hello!
  • [06:43:35] <LetItBeFree> Is there some sort of case for the BeagleBox?
  • [06:44:06] <CU> noit had a clock but i couldnt putin the right time. how to solve the problem?
  • [06:44:13] <ka6sox> LetItBeFree, what is a BeagleBox?
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  • [06:45:05] <CU> let it be: yes on ebay but expenciveup from 20 euros inkl. postage
  • [06:46:00] <ka6sox> CU, can you tell me what a BeagleBox is?
  • [06:47:09] <CU> ka i thought itis a case or a box for the beaglebone black where to put in for raspberry it was cheap. 6 euros.
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  • [06:48:03] <CU> does anybodyelse have problems with the clock on angstroem?
  • [06:49:01] <ka6sox> you need a case for an embedded distribution of linux? are they shipping it on CD? DVD?
  • [06:49:15] <LetItBeFree> A case to cover the board
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  • [06:49:30] <Russ> http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#Cases
  • [06:49:42] <Russ> only the #1 result for beaglebone case
  • [06:49:55] <ka6sox> Google Fail.
  • [06:50:16] <LetItBeFree> Didn't bother googling
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  • [06:50:17] <ka6sox> oh....a *Bone*Box
  • [06:50:21] <CU> case for software? are there better images available? android and ubuntu didnt work. anybody with better experiences?
  • [06:50:25] <LetItBeFree> Thought I would talk to people
  • [06:50:27] <ka6sox> LetItBeFree, you FAIL
  • [06:50:36] <ka6sox> making OTHERS do your work...
  • [06:51:04] <LetItBeFree> Where's your generous and helping spirit? :p
  • [06:51:11] <CU> windows is on dvd shipped but i want the clock for linux
  • [06:51:38] <Russ> o_O?
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  • [06:53:26] <CU> i am worng here....no TIME
  • [06:54:54] <CU> windows is shipped on dvd
  • [06:55:51] <CU> does ubuntu on pc destroy other partitions?
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  • [06:57:44] <ds2> bone box? i.e a coffin?
  • [06:59:26] <Russ> actually a bone box is what you keep bones in
  • [06:59:37] <Russ> there is one in the other room
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  • [07:00:08] <dm8tbr> also called a coffin?
  • [07:00:47] <Russ> it contains plasticized bones for study of anatomy
  • [07:01:36] <Russ> kindof like prosections, but for bones
  • [07:05:05] <ds2> Russ: did you catch the suspend resume behavior I saw?
  • [07:07:40] <Russ> -ECONTEXT
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  • [07:10:34] <CU> all my music is lost on pc. others work?k6sox? do u know sth about time?
  • [07:11:38] <Russ> ds2, which behavior?
  • [07:12:20] <KotH> a wonderfull FRIDAY morning!
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  • [07:46:09] <CU> i was interested in video observing on beagle bone
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  • [07:47:56] <_av500_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-with-half-mile-1km-ran
  • [07:48:06] <_av500_> ahoi too
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  • [07:48:49] <KotH> ahoi av500!
  • [07:49:02] <KotH> did the km shrink or the mile get longer while i wasnt watching?
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  • [07:49:49] <KotH> hmm.. my internet seems to be broken
  • [07:50:00] <CU> i sell my beaglebone black: any offers? its just a few weeks old.
  • [07:50:01] <thefunc5> if its borken how are you talking ;)
  • [07:51:39] <blaaa> KotH: depends on with what you measure the distance of course
  • [07:51:48] <CU> i ll take a shotgun small for it
  • [07:52:01] <KotH> CU: what's your problem with the bone?
  • [07:52:10] <KotH> CU: beside you not making sense
  • [07:52:44] <blaaa> What is the best (best supported) RTOS running on de BBB?
  • [07:53:09] <CU> any offers to: B-MV@1kiss.eu
  • [07:53:10] <KotH> define scale on which you grade "best" and what you mean with "RTOS"
  • [07:53:30] <KotH> CU: you will not be able to sell your bone to anyone here
  • [07:54:00] <KotH> CU: people here stay away from boards that had been in the hands of noobs, as they are often broken due to improper handling
  • [07:54:04] <KotH> CU: go and sell it on ebay
  • [07:54:39] <blaaa> RTOS -> real-time operating system, |worst|-------------------|best|
  • [07:54:41] <thefunc5> hehe im pretty sure im on the road to bricking mine as we speak :)
  • [07:54:49] <blaaa> KotH: Improper handling?
  • [07:55:19] <KotH> blaaa: it's damn easy to fry your board if you dont know what you are doing
  • [07:55:32] <KotH> it's open electronics, you can touch everything
  • [07:55:45] <_av500_> like handling it next to a deep fryer
  • [07:55:53] <_av500_> ooops, and fried
  • [07:56:12] <KotH> well, i must admit, that happend to me once
  • [07:56:19] <_av500_> see
  • [07:56:33] <_av500_> McFry
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  • [07:58:27] <ds2> Russ: Resumebehavior on SDK6 and SDK4 w/the provided U-boot/MLO of each
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  • [07:59:19] <thefunc5> what normally prevents a BBB from booting from the microsd?
  • [08:00:08] <thefunc5> i have been in a few different channels today trying to sort out why i cant boot arch-linux arm to no avail
  • [08:00:16] <KotH> not pressing The Button?
  • [08:00:20] <thefunc5> i booted ubuntu 13.04 and flashed it via mmc without issue
  • [08:00:21] <KotH> not propperly set up sd card
  • [08:00:34] <KotH> not following The Guide
  • [08:00:36] <KotH> etc pp
  • [08:00:46] <thefunc5> koth: thats what i initially thought, but the process seems very solid, all the necessary files are there
  • [08:00:56] <thefunc5> at this point i just want to flash it to the newest angstrom
  • [08:01:04] <KotH> have you tried a different sd card?
  • [08:01:15] <thefunc5> i only have 1 microsd :(
  • [08:01:16] <KotH> different manufacturer and type
  • [08:01:19] <KotH> get another one
  • [08:01:33] <thefunc5> what would allow ubuntu and debian to boot fine, but not ALA or angstrom?
  • [08:01:50] <KotH> oh.. it works with different distros?
  • [08:01:54] <KotH> so, then it's not the card
  • [08:01:58] <KotH> then it's the setup
  • [08:02:00] <thefunc5> yeah
  • [08:02:03] <thefunc5> its gotta be the setup
  • [08:02:14] <KotH> well...
  • [08:02:24] <KotH> have a look how the different images set up the card
  • [08:02:26] <KotH> and compare them
  • [08:02:29] <thefunc5> when flashing angstrom, you simply blow away all partitions on the target SD card and then just win32diskimage the .img file to it correct?
  • [08:02:34] <Russ> ds2, and?
  • [08:02:40] <KotH> oh.. and connect a serial cable to the bone
  • [08:03:03] <keesj_> I have a little caching question. the ARM documentation states that it is ok to have multiple virtual-> physical mappings as long as they have the same caching flags. I am in a situation where at startup memory is first mapped as "device" memory and only later parts are repurposed (e.g. normal memory that gets cached and "DMA" able memory).
  • [08:03:18] <keesj_> can I repurpose the memory?
  • [08:03:50] <_av500_> i dont see why not
  • [08:04:55] <keesj_> my guess it that I need to do a proper cache "flush" but I am not sure about the order of doing things. e.g just barriers are from what it looks not enough.
  • [08:07:26] <ds2> repeating it - SDK 4 sort of works. I was using an android kernel and it gets into a look with wake locks. SDK6 doesn't work with DS0 on the stock image but standby works. power draw btwn suspend and DS0 don't differ too much
  • [08:07:52] <Russ> with sdk6, did you try the u-boot version that comes with it?
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  • [08:11:46] <ds2> Russ: yes. all these are datapoints with the Uboot/MLO that came with it.
  • [08:13:26] <Russ> and this is on bone white?
  • [08:14:00] <ds2> no, black
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  • [08:14:23] <Russ> hmmm...there is pretty minimal black support in psp from what I understandy
  • [08:14:25] <Russ> er, understand
  • [08:15:40] <ds2> hmm okay. I can retest with the white
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  • [08:41:28] <scrts> is SPI flash for linux FS is way much slower than parallel flash?
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  • [08:42:07] <vmayoral> hi!
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  • [08:50:27] <SpeedEvil> scrts: It depends.
  • [08:50:37] <SpeedEvil> scrts: What do you mean by 'parallel flash' ?
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  • [08:51:12] <SpeedEvil> Both SPI, and NOR flash - what most parallel flashes would be - would not usually be used for filesystems.
  • [08:51:34] <SpeedEvil> But if you could expand on some details, maybe more sensible comment could be made.
  • [08:51:38] * SpeedEvil quacks.
  • [08:53:19] <_av500_> there is blazing fast QuadSPI
  • [08:56:07] <SpeedEvil> you mean sd?
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  • [09:01:36] <_av500_> no
  • [09:01:42] <_av500_> QSPI
  • [09:01:46] <_av500_> not on AM335x though
  • [09:01:59] <SpeedEvil> I thought that was basically what mmcs used
  • [09:02:04] <_av500_> no
  • [09:02:20] <_av500_> mmc also use 4 lines (or even 8)
  • [09:02:33] <_av500_> emmc might be 8 lines on BBB, not sure
  • [09:07:10] <tasslehoff> koen: I have some issues compiling libgles-omap3 in angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4. Same as this guy http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.embedded.yocto.meta-ti/2434. Seen this before?
  • [09:10:35] <scrts> SpeedEvil -> well, they use SPI flash on routers
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  • [09:13:30] <philenotfound> _av500_: emmc on bbb is 8 lines
  • [09:14:14] <SpeedEvil> scrts: Because speed is not important
  • [09:14:57] <scrts> yes, but it would probably be faster if I could use parallel flash...
  • [09:15:07] <scrts> need to consider replacement :>
  • [09:15:20] <scrts> I need faster flash only for my development
  • [09:15:39] <_av500_> ?
  • [09:16:08] <_av500_> for development you need to rewrite the whole flash all the time?
  • [09:16:23] <KotH> ofc
  • [09:16:35] <KotH> like you compile a new kernel every time you boot your computer
  • [09:16:57] <_av500_> KotH: well, in my case that is not an issue
  • [09:17:14] <Russ> if you are doing lots of development, I'd recommend loading kernels via tftp
  • [09:17:24] <_av500_> or user space binaries
  • [09:17:29] <_av500_> ramdisk etc
  • [09:17:35] <Russ> nfsftw
  • [09:17:43] <_av500_> nsfwftw
  • [09:17:58] <Russ> isn't a little early in the morning for that?
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  • [09:18:11] <_av500_> where?
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  • [09:19:00] <Russ> wherever you are
  • [09:19:21] <_av500_> whereever UGT is
  • [09:29:49] <Vaizki> the sun is over the yardarm, arr!
  • [09:30:01] <Vaizki> break out the rum and nsfw
  • [09:30:21] <_av500_> and the lime juice
  • [09:30:44] <koen> tasslehoff: 3d support is very, very bad in meta-ti, so I won't count on it working or compiling
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  • [09:31:06] <das> did someone mention rum ?
  • [09:31:33] <scrts> _av500_ -> no, just adding/removing packages and also kernel modules
  • [09:31:54] <Vaizki> unfortunately our national state monopoly for booze does not love rum as much as I do so a lot of the good stuff eludes me
  • [09:31:55] <_av500_> sdcard
  • [09:32:53] <das> Vaizki: what ? some brands are prohibited ?
  • [09:32:56] <Vaizki> but at least we can get ron zacapa, sailor jerry, havana club and appleton estate so it's not a complete disaster
  • [09:33:14] <Vaizki> das: no, but >22% alcohol can only be sold in state-run stores
  • [09:33:39] <das> no Plantation, RE, Pyrat, Theresa etc ?
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  • [09:34:02] <Vaizki> umm no. I guess you could get much of those by ordering specially but the cost will be high
  • [09:34:03] <das> and Angostura ofc
  • [09:34:12] <Vaizki> angostura bitters yes ;)
  • [09:34:14] <das> where do you live ?
  • [09:34:20] <Vaizki> Finland
  • [09:34:34] <_av500_> Vaizki: what is your phone throwing score?
  • [09:34:45] <Vaizki> DNG
  • [09:34:47] <Vaizki> DNF even
  • [09:35:00] <das> can't you be delivered from germany ?
  • [09:35:04] <das> rum is cheap there
  • [09:35:08] <_av500_> Ja!
  • [09:35:12] <_av500_> is it?
  • [09:35:16] <das> like Mount Gay XO is 35??? per liter
  • [09:35:22] <das> maybe 440
  • [09:35:24] <das> 40*
  • [09:35:26] <Vaizki> yes and no. it's illegal to buy alcohol from abroad unless you arrange for its transport yourself.
  • [09:35:38] <Vaizki> the law says ownership must transfer outside of Finland
  • [09:35:47] <das> got a friend at estonian border maybe ? :D
  • [09:35:50] <Vaizki> so I have to buy it in Germany, then have it shipped in my own name
  • [09:36:19] <koen> das: but MG XO is one of the best rums around
  • [09:36:25] <Vaizki> but yes there are ways around.. but not sure how good idea it would be to have like 42 bottles of rum at home
  • [09:36:33] <das> koen: there are many many others :)
  • [09:36:39] <koen> (it's E40/liter here)
  • [09:36:43] <koen> das: right
  • [09:36:53] <das> it's 55???/75cl here :(
  • [09:36:54] <koen> das: but I only stock MG XO and Pyrat XO :)
  • [09:36:57] <Vaizki> there are so many rums but there is not a single "best" one
  • [09:37:04] <das> that pyrat is fun
  • [09:37:06] <Vaizki> depends on the weather etc what I like
  • [09:37:10] <das> Don Papa is funky too
  • [09:37:35] <das> If you can grab the plantations they are awesome
  • [09:38:06] <das> Plantation Nicargua/Jamaica/Guatemala/Panama/Guyana are the best
  • [09:38:15] <das> but the others are worth it as well
  • [09:38:40] <Vaizki> currently at home I have Ron Zacapa (liquerish), Sailor Jerry (spiced), Appleton Estate Master Blender's Legacy (smooth), Kraken (cola-bomb), Havana CLub (mojito), Mount Gay something.. One bottle of Santa Teresa.. hmmh.
  • [09:39:19] <_av500_> AAA meeting in progress
  • [09:39:25] <_av500_> AA
  • [09:39:26] <Vaizki> Kraken with coke is deadly and will topple non rum-drinkers in an hour :)
  • [09:39:32] <das> The Santa Theresa is akin to the Reserva Exclusiva and Zacapa
  • [09:39:56] <das> they're all great :)
  • [09:40:25] <Vaizki> Zacapa is a bit too sweet and slick for me often
  • [09:40:35] <Vaizki> like drinking Drambuyie instead of whiskey
  • [09:40:38] <das> yeah it's really mood dependent
  • [09:41:12] <das> where Reserva Exclusiva won't cut it I oftentimes take the El Dorado 15
  • [09:42:26] <Vaizki> RE is Diplomatico?
  • [09:42:55] <Vaizki> I used to visit Venezuela a lot for business and I brought it back couple of times..
  • [09:44:43] <das> Yup
  • [09:45:24] <das> it's what I beginned with :)
  • [09:45:51] <das> I think I offered half a dozen of this one
  • [09:46:15] <das> easiest goto present, everyone loves it
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  • [09:48:03] <KotH> gr?ezi herr Criztian
  • [09:49:38] <kos_> hi guys, can you help me with my bbb?
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  • [09:49:54] <KotH> kos_: no, we cannot
  • [09:50:09] <KotH> kos_: you have to plug it in yourself
  • [09:50:18] <KotH> kos_: there is noone else who can do that
  • [09:50:26] <kos_> funny
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  • [09:50:57] <kos_> i try to boot another image from sd
  • [09:51:20] <KotH> have you had a look at the output on the serial console?
  • [09:51:41] <kos_> yes sure, it loops until i press a key
  • [09:52:03] <KotH> good... where does it loop? :)
  • [09:52:53] <kos_> good question. i followed the official instructions for booting qnx. now there is so much text and i dont know where to start
  • [09:53:40] <kos_> everything looks ok until there is "## Starting application at 0x1000000F ... prefetch abort"
  • [09:55:12] <Vaizki> maybe you could pastebin the output of printenv in uboot
  • [09:55:25] <Criztian> KotH: hi!
  • [09:55:53] <kos_> oh what does it mean
  • [09:56:45] <Vaizki> well I guess when you press a key you end up in interactive uboot?
  • [09:57:07] <kos_> once i press the key i got the U-Boot promt
  • [09:57:34] <Vaizki> right. so do "printenv" there and put the result in pastebin.com
  • [09:58:12] <Vaizki> and put the log from the boot cycle in the same paste as well
  • [09:58:21] <kos_> my console doesnt save the whole output
  • [09:58:28] <Vaizki> 90% chance I can't help but hey there's always 10%
  • [09:58:51] <Vaizki> kos_: ok maybe you need to work on your tools a bit then and come back after you can show us what's happening? ;)
  • [09:58:54] <Vaizki> lunch&
  • [09:59:06] <kos_> ok, i try it - thanks
  • [10:01:21] <tasslehoff> koen: hm. do I have any alternatives if I want 3d support for my board on yocto 1.4?
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  • [10:15:35] <koen> tasslehoff: nope
  • [10:16:04] <koen> tasslehoff: you could try switching to softfp if your board is using hardfp
  • [10:16:22] <koen> think of 3D as "unsupported by TI"
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  • [10:18:28] <Vaizki> a true thin client platform; exists only in two dimensions
  • [10:19:18] <tasslehoff> koen: has it always been unsupported?
  • [10:20:00] <tasslehoff> koen: why should I switch to softfp?
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  • [10:24:41] <tasslehoff> nm the last one. I am already running softfp.
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  • [10:33:01] <xen__> hello!
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  • [10:36:37] <xen__> Good day everyone! I'm into study about making a USB File-to-File Transfer Module in which you can transfer file instantly. I would like to have it Bluetooth accessibility and a Touch screen user interface. But I have no idea how to start with it. The module must be smaller as possible. All of the people I've asked for said that the Raspberry Pi product will be useful. Then, I would like to configure as, like, you can choose whether to
  • [10:37:04] <xen__> Bluetooth device or to the output/input usb interchangeably so it does. Any idea? Thank you. God bless everyone! 1. It's primary function is to transfer file from a USB Mass Storage Device to another USB Mass Storage Device without the use of a netbook PC or something. Through this touchscreen and handy module, you can transfer files through the port-to-port connection or via bluetooth. (same principle as you were using a pc copying
  • [10:37:37] <xen__> another flash drive) IT CAN COPY: A. from the input usb device to another usb device (output usb) or interchangeably; B. from the input usb device to a bluetooth device via bluetooth option. 2. It must also be in touchscreen user interface. So, that's it. I think it really needs a usb card or something, touchscreen and a bluetooth device right. and it will take a lot of programming.
  • [10:37:53] <xen__> I think this will help you to understand more, there's already an existing device. but it;s controls are just buttons and the all the files on a mass storage device are copied (everything) into another device. (i want this module to have the user the capability of choosing the file it wishes to send) http://www.google.com/url...;bvm=bv.48705608,d.bmk PLEASE DO HELP ME! PLEASE?? ((((
  • [10:38:13] <tasslehoff> oh my...
  • [10:38:19] <das> yup
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  • [10:41:46] <Mikeyfoo> hi, i just successfully installed debian on BBB, while i compile a kernel module, this problem occurs, Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.13-bone26' CC [M] /home/Driver/hello.o In file included from include/linux/timex.h:65:0, from include/linux/jiffies.h:8, from include/linux/ktime.h:25, from include/linux/timer.h:5, from include/linux/workqueue.h:
  • [10:42:00] <Mikeyfoo> Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.13-bone26' CC [M] /home/Driver/hello.o In file included from include/linux/timex.h:65:0, from include/linux/jiffies.h:8, from include/linux/ktime.h:25, from include/linux/timer.h:5, from include/linux/workqueue.h:8, from include/linux/srcu.h:34, from include/linux/notifier.h:15,
  • [10:42:30] <xen__> please everyone here??? :((( thank you so much! i really hope that you can help me. some of the review said that BBB is way better that Rpi.
  • [10:43:12] <Mikeyfoo> sdsd
  • [10:43:26] <Mikeyfoo> fatal error: mach/timex.h: No such file or directory
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  • [10:43:55] <vmayoral> folks i'm trying to create a FAQ for my GSOC project Beagle-ROS because i get the same questions over and over again. One of the things i get asked often is "Why Angstrom?". I know this is a topic being discussed here as well, would you mind taking a look at my reasoning? (just want to make sure i didn't say anything stupid)
  • [10:44:00] <vmayoral> here it is https://github.com/vmayoral/beagle-ros/wiki/FAQ#why-%C3%85ngstr%C3%B6m
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  • [10:47:09] <m_billybob> vmayoral, you're better off takign it out, because you're way off
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  • [10:48:35] <m_billybob> root@arm:~# uname -a
  • [10:48:36] <m_billybob> Linux arm 3.8.13-bone21 #1 SMP Mon Jun 24 23:57:02 MST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [10:48:38] <vmayoral> m_billybob: thanks, would you mind explaining to me why is it mistaken?
  • [10:48:44] <m_billybob> thats wheezy.
  • [10:48:54] <m_billybob> also its armhf
  • [10:51:09] <m_billybob> vmayoral in short what you're saying about debian is wrong. Maybe to some extent it could be true with debians release stuff, but its not true at all for custom kernel + stock rootfs. If yo uwant my opinion, just leave other distros out of the explanation
  • [10:52:05] <m_billybob> as for the angstrom stuff, i dont know, i dont use angstrom and dont know much about it
  • [10:52:35] <vmayoral> i see, thanks for reviewing
  • [10:52:44] <Mikeyfoo> Linux arm 3.8.13-bone26 #1 SMP Fri Aug 16 20:56:24 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [10:53:40] <vmayoral> m_billybob: grateful :), i'll follow you suggestion
  • [10:54:11] <Mikeyfoo> is there a patch required like the problem in ubuntu as well as mentioned in this link, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/5xMAyFxQbdE/Tq4fE8C5C48J
  • [10:54:23] <m_billybob> vmayoral no problem. thing with tryign to compare to othe distro . . .it only sounds like a distro pissing war. something a lot of people dont care about
  • [10:55:01] <vmayoral> m_billybob: yes you're right, i was just trying to answer the questions i get
  • [10:55:16] <m_billybob> such as i have my doubts that angstrom is faster than debian, but in the end i dont really care
  • [10:55:40] <vmayoral> m_billybob: actually quite of lof of people wonders how it compares to Ubuntu, so i tried to make a comparison
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  • [10:55:50] <vmayoral> a bad one it seems
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  • [10:55:56] <m_billybob> ah well that comparrison might make more sense
  • [10:56:17] <m_billybob> at least to me personally, and no one says i have to always be right
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  • [10:56:28] <m_billybob> or ever . . .
  • [10:56:32] <m_billybob> ;)
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  • [10:57:37] <vvu> any idea if there is a fresh image of a eMMC BBB ?
  • [10:57:55] * vvu is kinda lazy to dump one after flashing the eMMC
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  • [11:03:13] <m_billybob> root@arm:~# uptime
  • [11:03:14] <m_billybob> 04:04:26 up 21 days, 3:57, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
  • [11:03:16] <m_billybob> :)
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  • [11:05:23] <m_billybob> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/OMGWTF2-The-Beast-of-Burden.aspx
  • [11:05:42] <m_billybob> "If I were make my living writing script in Diarescript, I can almost guarantee that my brain would have to become stupider to compensate."
  • [11:09:05] <Vaizki> no points for inventing a stupid programming language
  • [11:09:19] <Vaizki> they used to have courses for that at uni
  • [11:09:41] <KotH> only points if you get a major company to use it for an internal, critical system
  • [11:10:24] <Vaizki> been there done that!
  • [11:11:02] <qt-x> which version of angstrom distribution to use with BBB
  • [11:11:04] <qt-x> ?
  • [11:11:24] <KotH> Vaizki: point to you then!
  • [11:11:34] <philenotfound> qt-x: the latest?
  • [11:11:36] <KotH> qt-x: the one that is linked on the webpage
  • [11:12:20] <Vaizki> KotH: it's in use by a nasdaq listed company which uses it to handle data exchange between the major US mobile operators
  • [11:12:42] <Vaizki> I'm not going to say more than that :D
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  • [11:13:56] <KotH> Vaizki: does it have time triggered bugs, that will go off in a couple of years, so they have to hire you again for an unreasonable amount of money to fix it?
  • [11:14:58] <Vaizki> no, and they have the source code. or rather they are paying for a lawyer to keep the source code so that if I try to charge unreasonable amounts it can be released to them.
  • [11:15:34] <Vaizki> of course 'unreasonable' has to be defined by a court of law before that.. which might take a few years :D
  • [11:16:40] <Vaizki> anyway, the past is boring. I need to get cracking on the future again&
  • [11:16:49] <m_billybob> but guys my comment there was that maybe sure the code was bad, but the person who was talkign about it wasnt much better
  • [11:16:54] <m_billybob> "stupider"
  • [11:17:51] <m_billybob> i might not be the best person for spelling and what not but i dotn invent nonsensical words either lol
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  • [11:31:00] <qt-x> If I flash with: "demo_beaglebone_BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz" should I expect some restriction like time limited kernel ?
  • [11:33:06] <qt-x> it's the demo for angstrom-distribution provided on beagleboard.org website
  • [11:34:51] <koen> qt-x: why not use the ones from the angstrom site: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ ?
  • [11:35:31] <KotH> m_billybob: well, english is a difficult language, and very few people speak it or know how to spell words correctly
  • [11:35:51] <vvu> koen: any idea where can i find an image of the eMMC for BBB?
  • [11:35:57] <koen> vvu: nowhere
  • [11:35:57] <KotH> m_billybob: i didnt even notice this "mistake" as my brain has been correcting these automagically for aeons already
  • [11:36:07] <vvu> so i need to dump it after i flash it :(
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  • [11:37:58] <qt-x> koen: i have the latest (2013.08.21) on the board and I'm unable to start the usb dhcp or connect via ethernet cable
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  • [11:41:29] <koen> qt-x: what's the output on serial?
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  • [11:47:30] <m_billybob> KotH its all good. thats my own personal pet peve. grammar. spelling i forgive, because i know everyone can make those mistakes. Just how my pown mind processes thigns i guess
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  • [11:48:27] <qt-x> koen: http://pastebin.com/1pNG6VVx
  • [11:49:06] * m_billybob also tends to truncate sentences sometimes too which is probably just as bad
  • [11:50:25] <koen> qt-x: and after you login, what does ifconfig say?
  • [11:50:30] <koen> did ethernet get an ip?
  • [11:51:52] <qt-x> koen: yes
  • [11:51:52] <KotH> m_billybob: i've been known for switching from one sentence to another, mid sentence :)
  • [11:51:58] <KotH> m_billybob: i even do that while talking
  • [11:52:20] <KotH> m_billybob: oh.. and i often leave out words while chatting
  • [11:52:30] <KotH> like verbs and such stuff
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  • [11:53:28] <qt-x> koen: no
  • [11:54:22] <qt-x> koen: eth0 dose not and usb0 has the default 192.168.7.2
  • [11:54:48] <_av500_> KotH: I the same problem
  • [11:57:02] <KotH> _av500_: verbs are for the weak
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  • [11:58:07] <m_billybob> hehehe
  • [11:58:39] <m_billybob> would have to read and try to understand a book like that though ;)
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  • [11:58:45] <m_billybob> hate not have
  • [11:58:49] <das> Vaizki: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthc.org%2Froot%2Fphun%2Funmaintain.html&ei=YpQcUpvgAqaw7Qbv7YHIDw&usg=AFQjCNEbmlhwVEM1N4M3XuJffwP8JHxG8Q&bvm=bv.51156542,d.ZGU&cad=rja
  • [11:58:52] <das> oops
  • [11:59:00] <das> thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html???
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  • [11:59:11] <qt-x> koen: ifconfig out : http://pastebin.com/SMuew0qd
  • [11:59:11] <m_billybob> thos pesky/sneaky long winded urls
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  • [12:16:00] <denix> koen: 3d support in meta-beagle is so stellar so it doesn't even exist
  • [12:19:04] <_av500_> you dont need 3G
  • [12:19:07] <_av500_> as raster
  • [12:19:10] <_av500_> SW is faster
  • [12:20:12] <denix> tasslehoff: that is a known issue of debugedit
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  • [12:22:39] <tasslehoff> denix: any workaround for it?
  • [12:24:35] <denix> tasslehoff: not yet, still looking
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  • [12:35:42] <koen> denix: right, because it reuses (well, tries to) the meta-ti 3d stuff
  • [12:36:24] <koen> denix: the DDK is a bigger mess, I've been trying to get it to build for weeks now :/
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  • [12:51:43] <denix> koen: I would agree in general about DDK being a big PITA and giving new set of issues with every new release
  • [12:52:07] <denix> koen: care to provide more details of your problems though?
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  • [12:55:26] <koen> denix: it builds its own sysroot for X manually with no way to disable it
  • [12:55:43] <koen> and makefile include hell
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  • [12:56:21] <koen> of course it fails to build pixman, so no Xorg pvr driver
  • [12:57:03] <koen> the gfx team is OK once prathab is dropped from cc:
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  • [13:02:17] <denix> koen: x11 is a mess right now, need to fix the recent changes that introduced the split between x11 and raw - it's on my todo list among million other things
  • [13:02:55] <denix> koen: btw, you know that nobody cares about x11 here, I have to fight for its support not to be removed completely
  • [13:02:56] <koen> denix: I have gerrit access now, so hopefully I can make a neat patch and gerrit it
  • [13:03:25] <denix> koen: patches are welcome
  • [13:03:36] <koen> for the DDK, that is
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  • [13:05:09] <HB_> hi, Im havin problems with my BBB
  • [13:07:17] <HB_> since i updated to latest firmware using the EMMc File the network 19.168.7.2 is not more reachable and my pc tells me that the linux USB Ethernet Gadget-Network is unplugged...
  • [13:07:49] <keesj_> 19.168.7.2 should that not be 192.168.x.x ?
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  • [13:08:29] <HB_> ah, yes, sorry --- typing error
  • [13:09:12] <keesj_> do you have a serial?
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  • [13:09:31] <HB_> no, only usb and ethernet is connected to my BBB
  • [13:10:06] <keesj_> so you where having two network connections right?
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  • [13:11:14] <HB_> yes, my normal lan connection on my xp machine and the one from BBB with linux...gadget
  • [13:11:31] <keesj_> USB Ethernet Gadget would the the Linux distro on the BBB running a ethernet gadget and the second one the ethernet RJ54
  • [13:11:43] <HB_> bbb is connected with my desktop switch
  • [13:12:05] <SpeedEvil> keesj_: Ethernet gadget acts like there is a USB ethernet dongle plugged in
  • [13:13:07] <keesj_> I know. I am just tyring to figure out how he knows "linux USB Ethernet Gadget-Network" is unplugged
  • [13:13:07] <HB_> ah, ok. do i need the network cable at all?
  • [13:14:21] <keesj_> it depends on your setup but indeed this is not needed
  • [13:14:31] <HB_> before the "update" of my BBB i was able to browse to 192.168.7.2 so it must be something went wrong with the update
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  • [13:15:04] <keesj_> so now perhaps your device also gets a ip address assigned over the network :)
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  • [13:15:22] <keesj_> and you can ssh to it to see what's happening on usb side
  • [13:15:58] <HB_> the dumb thing is that I do not have the correct HDMI2DVI adapter to connect the BBB to an monitore
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  • [13:16:16] <HB_> no, I'm not able to ssh to 192.168...
  • [13:17:06] <keesj_> getting a serial is always a good idea.
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  • [13:18:57] <HB_> hm, ok, I think this is right. But for the moment is there anything I can do to "unbrick" my BBB??
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  • [13:19:37] <keesj_> you can create a sd-card and boot your device over that
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  • [13:20:14] <HB_> I already did that, but it has the same effect. no network connection
  • [13:21:48] <keesj_> try the previous version again? or plug your BBB in a different usb port. I think windows will start dicovering new drivers.
  • [13:22:20] <keesj_> do you also get the mass storage ? what distro are you using?
  • [13:22:33] <HB_> my xp machine displays the linux-gadget connection, then writes out "get IP address" and one second later "network cable was disconnected"
  • [13:23:03] <HB_> I get the mass storage
  • [13:24:05] <HB_> I was using the official latest version from beagleboard/latest images
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  • [13:25:09] <keesj_> do you properly power the BBB or only over usb?
  • [13:25:18] <HB_> yes
  • [13:25:46] <HB_> I'm running out of ideas thats why I'm asking here...
  • [13:26:21] <HB_> so, to recap USB-Serial-adapter would be a good thing to order
  • [13:27:52] <HB_> how can I try the previous version?
  • [13:28:10] <HB_> where can I find it?
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  • [13:32:10] <keesj_> I don't know
  • [13:32:54] <HB_> OK, thanks so far. I try to find it on google. BYE
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  • [13:35:52] <Anguel> hi
  • [13:36:49] <Anguel> looks like the new BBB angstrom does not require to press the boot button to boot from SD :-)
  • [13:37:02] <Anguel> i thought my button was stuck :-)
  • [13:37:10] <Bo_DK> Quick Q.... anybody that knows a 2 -4 Line lcd that is quick to setup with the BBB.... pref one with i2 interface...
  • [13:37:21] <Bo_DK> and pref no breakout etc....
  • [13:37:21] <_av500_> the bootloader on emmc might be able to boot from sd too
  • [13:37:37] <_av500_> or if there is none on emmc, it goes to sd by itself
  • [13:37:52] <_av500_> Bo_DK: google?
  • [13:38:14] <Bo_DK> google.... not so much my friend today
  • [13:38:19] <Bo_DK> or i would not have asked
  • [13:38:27] <Bo_DK> :-(
  • [13:38:32] <dostoyevsky> How hard is it to use NEON stuff on the beagle? Any libraries readily available?
  • [13:38:38] <_av500_> https://www.google.com/search?q=i2c+lcd
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  • [13:38:46] <_av500_> dostoyevsky: libraries for what?
  • [13:39:43] <dostoyevsky> _av500_: that give you NEON performance... E.g. OS X/iOS has the Accelerator framework that you can use
  • [13:40:11] <Anguel> i thought the compiler auto-uses the neon
  • [13:40:16] <ogra_> NEON is just a compile time switch
  • [13:40:29] <_av500_> lol
  • [13:40:57] <ogra_> (and i hope compilers dont just blindly auto-use it)
  • [13:41:23] <_av500_> ah: Accelerate Framework, which contains C APIs for vector and matrix math, digital signal processing, large number handling, and image processing.
  • [13:41:34] <_av500_> there are some libraries here and there
  • [13:41:37] <Anguel> there is some benchmark between ubuntu and angstrom and they say ubuntu does not use neon (but only vfp) and is about 10% slower on compression
  • [13:41:46] <dostoyevsky> NEON is an SIMD instruction set introduced by ARM for v7
  • [13:41:57] <_av500_> yes
  • [13:42:09] <_av500_> Anguel: most probably nonsense
  • [13:42:17] <_av500_> most benchmarks are
  • [13:42:20] <Anguel> :-)
  • [13:42:55] <Mikeyfoo> wheezy-armhf/v3.8.13-bone26 is base on which linux kernel?
  • [13:43:26] <_av500_> Torvalds' Linux?
  • [13:43:35] <Mikeyfoo> i mean which version
  • [13:43:35] <Mikeyfoo> LOL
  • [13:43:36] <Mikeyfoo> HAHA
  • [13:43:50] <_av500_> maybe v3.8.13?
  • [13:43:54] <ogra_> hopefully not kangs linux
  • [13:43:55] <_av500_> just guessing
  • [13:44:00] <Mikeyfoo> err. no
  • [13:44:08] <Mikeyfoo> www.kernel.org.. doest have that
  • [13:44:21] <_av500_> and no other kernel ever existed?
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  • [13:44:57] <Anguel> hmm: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/ChangeLog-3.8.13
  • [13:46:17] <Mikeyfoo> please don't flame.. I am noob :(
  • [13:46:41] <Anguel> me too, just googled :-)
  • [13:47:26] <Anguel> any benchmarks how long it should take to flash eMMC from SD class 10 card?
  • [13:47:39] <_av500_> ubuntu does it 10% slower
  • [13:47:55] <_av500_> I heard
  • [13:48:13] <Anguel> its's angstrom, it will flash in neon color when done I heard ;)
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  • [13:50:10] <Anguel> btw, is it normal that ssh and ethernet over usb did not work when I booted the angstrom 2013-06-20 image? do i have to reinstall the windows drivers?
  • [13:50:30] <Anguel> i booted it from SD
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  • [13:51:10] <Anguel> serial over USB and mass storage worked ok
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  • [14:10:26] <HB_> HI There. half an hour ago I had problems with my network connection. Now it's working again. I did another reboot. Now it works. Now I'm standing here with egg on my face. But finally it works!!
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  • [14:22:15] <norbi> guys, whats the difference between device tree overlay and sysfs ? i know that sysfs is the user side and the device tree contains the structs, but if i start programming in C then wich form i should use for accessing PWM for example or ADC? simple file manipulation is the normal way of writing programms for the BBB, or there is any other more recommended way of doing that?
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  • [14:28:26] <norbi> if my hardware is not compatible with any standard, then i cannot use device tree overlay, right? device tree contains linux compatible data structs wich are loading drivers for the compatible device
  • [14:29:12] <norbi> i could use device tree overlay in case i would write a device tree driver for my hardware/
  • [14:29:13] <norbi> ?
  • [14:29:22] <norbi> can someone explain this to me briefly?
  • [14:30:07] <_av500_> one describes the hardware
  • [14:30:12] <_av500_> the other allows to access it
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  • [14:33:38] <Vaizki> norbi: you load a device tree overlay to reconfigure the BBB devices (pinmux) and load the appropriate drivers into kernel. then you can use sysfs or ioctls with /dev/ nodes to interact with the drivers.
  • [14:33:49] <Vaizki> the rest you can google easily.
  • [14:36:35] <norbi> Vaizki: thanks
  • [14:36:43] <norbi> ioctls means not much to me atm
  • [14:37:59] <_av500_> no need
  • [14:38:03] <_av500_> they mean a lot to google
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  • [14:38:54] <norbi> _av500_: :) yea i found it
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  • [14:39:22] <norbi> just one thing i dont get, why do i even need to reconfigure BBB pinmux?
  • [14:39:38] <Vaizki> because all the pins have multiple possible functions
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  • [14:39:56] <norbi> Vaizki: yes i know that one pin ca be gpio or pwm for example
  • [14:39:59] <Vaizki> like uarts, i2c, spi, adc, sound, hdmi, etc
  • [14:40:19] <Vaizki> if you are happy with the defaults tjem-
  • [14:40:28] <q4tester> hello
  • [14:40:31] <norbi> so if i want to enable spi i have to make a device tree overlay?
  • [14:40:40] <_av500_> or load an existing one
  • [14:40:42] <_av500_> but yes
  • [14:41:04] <norbi> but if i have a pin with spi on it, i dont have to overlay the device tree, right?
  • [14:41:23] <_av500_> ?
  • [14:41:31] <_av500_> you need an SPI device in the kernel
  • [14:41:31] <Vaizki> err.. well it's only there because the default device tree then maps it that way
  • [14:41:32] <norbi> BBB is anyway configured to have one spi, 6pwm active at default for example
  • [14:41:37] <_av500_> wither in the default DT or loaded
  • [14:41:45] <_av500_> either
  • [14:41:56] <Vaizki> the default dt is loaded by uboot and given to the kernel
  • [14:42:09] <q4tester> is there any linux distro that supports reading from a mjpeg usb camera at over 12 fps? I have tried debian/ubuntu with no luck. Doesn't seem to matter what resolution I choose either.
  • [14:42:10] <Vaizki> you can also make your own default dt if you want
  • [14:42:22] <norbi> i know i sound stupid, but this is a large topic for a noob like me
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  • [14:42:27] <Vaizki> q4tester: reading over what? over http no problem
  • [14:42:37] <q4tester> just reading frames with v4l2
  • [14:42:38] <_av500_> q4tester: why does that depens on the distro?
  • [14:42:45] <norbi> i try to figure them out fast and not eating your time with it as much is possible
  • [14:42:49] <_av500_> norbi: np
  • [14:42:51] <Vaizki> oh right ub
  • [14:42:53] <Vaizki> usb
  • [14:43:01] <Vaizki> I've only used IP-cams my bad
  • [14:43:05] <q4tester> I'm not sure why there is a bottleneck, just thought I'd ask the pros.
  • [14:43:24] <Vaizki> we'll let them know you dropped by
  • [14:43:52] <norbi> also i cant find apache2 package, i mean ive seen it in package list i guess, but opkg install apache2 wont work, any idea?
  • [14:44:09] <_av500_> opkg update
  • [14:44:15] <_av500_> are you yure you want apache?
  • [14:44:20] <norbi> _av500_: why not/
  • [14:44:20] <_av500_> and not something more lightweight
  • [14:44:37] <_av500_> q4tester: no idea
  • [14:44:38] <norbi> _av500_: i tried to install lighttp, but it gets stuck
  • [14:44:43] <_av500_> best is to debug it :)
  • [14:45:03] <q4tester> You'd think I could read 1920x1080 over usb 2.0 at 30 fps like on my desktop but I always seem to get capped at 12 fps on the beaglebone black. I've read things on forums about how the usb chip is buggy, just wondering if that is true or just rumours.
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  • [14:45:15] <_av500_> depends
  • [14:45:20] <_av500_> you read mjpg?
  • [14:45:22] <_av500_> or raw?
  • [14:45:23] <norbi> _av500_: it starts to install but it stays there even 3 hours without any progression
  • [14:45:25] <q4tester> mjpeg
  • [14:45:41] <_av500_> norbi: file a bug
  • [14:45:44] <_av500_> aka yell at koen
  • [14:45:45] <q4tester> tried 3 usb cameras, all the same, 12 fps max at 320x240 or 1920x1080
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  • [14:46:03] <_av500_> 12 fps is emough
  • [14:46:06] <_av500_> solved
  • [14:46:07] <_av500_> next!
  • [14:46:08] <norbi> _av500_: should i google now what is ??yell at koen?? ? :D
  • [14:46:16] <q4tester> lol
  • [14:46:19] <norbi> eh ya
  • [14:46:25] <norbi> koen :D i know now, he is here
  • [14:46:34] <_av500_> google koen
  • [14:46:39] <_av500_> google everything
  • [14:46:44] <norbi> _av500_: :))
  • [14:46:50] * _av500_ googles the way to the bathroom
  • [14:46:56] <q4tester> _av500_ : does that mean you are not sure or is there a known issue that I should be aware of?
  • [14:46:57] <norbi> koen: can you help me with the httpd ?:d
  • [14:47:07] <_av500_> q4tester: correct
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  • [14:47:38] <moricio> hi. how many cores has the beagle board black?
  • [14:47:59] <Vaizki> q4tester: there is no usb "chip"
  • [14:48:10] <q4tester> I read that the old 3.2 kernel you could get 30 fps but 3.8 broke usb speeds for the sake of compatibility but not sure if it's true.
  • [14:48:11] <Vaizki> it's integrated on the cpu or soc as it's called
  • [14:48:15] <norbi> _av500_: i can yell at koen as much as i want, its friday and koen wont talk :D
  • [14:48:18] <norbi> ^^
  • [14:49:10] <norbi> btw english is not my native language, not even by far, im hungarian so it passes a time until it clamps what are u saying
  • [14:49:24] <_av500_> np
  • [14:49:54] * norbi gives a hug to _av500_
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  • [14:50:15] <Vaizki> hugnarian
  • [14:50:21] <q4tester> i guess I'll try angstrom again, maybe I'll have better luck.
  • [14:50:25] <_av500_> give me hungarian salami rather
  • [14:50:26] <norbi> Vaizki: :))
  • [14:50:35] <_av500_> q4tester: I guess its a kernel thing
  • [14:50:41] <_av500_> and kernels dont differ much there
  • [14:50:49] <q4tester> anybody running the android 4.1.2 from ti for the beagle yet?
  • [14:50:49] <_av500_> distro chasing is the wrong approach
  • [14:50:53] <q4tester> hmmm
  • [14:51:08] <q4tester> so I should revert to 3.2 kernel ?
  • [14:51:25] <_av500_> changing distros is most helping when deciding what is the most horrible UI
  • [14:51:29] <_av500_> (these days)
  • [14:51:31] <q4tester> lol
  • [14:51:41] <norbi> oh god i have to learn about kernels, i aint hearing anything else from you then ??kernel, kernel, kernel??
  • [14:51:46] <q4tester> rowboat seems to have it resolved but not sure if it's compatible with the beaglebone black yet
  • [14:52:03] <Vaizki> q4tester: best would be for you to compile a few kernel versions yourself and test, then report
  • [14:52:09] <Vaizki> what?
  • [14:52:24] <Vaizki> oh sorry rowboat
  • [14:52:30] <cverster> they should really sensor all blasphemy/swearing/crude talk on mirc
  • [14:52:39] <q4tester> lol
  • [14:52:40] <Vaizki> I was thinking gummiboot solves it :D
  • [14:52:48] <q4tester> I've been on irc since 93, used to it
  • [14:52:51] <koen> _av500_: you like kolb??sz ?
  • [14:52:59] <_av500_> norbi: kernel is where all the fun is
  • [14:53:18] <cverster> I havn't
  • [14:53:39] <_av500_> koen: I like sremska kobasica but I take the hungarian substitute too
  • [14:53:58] <Vaizki> q4tester: which kernel are you running now?
  • [14:54:33] <koen> _av500_: I have my parents bring back kolb??sz whenever they visit hungary
  • [14:54:42] <koen> goes great with mashed potatoes
  • [14:55:11] <_av500_> I dont spoil it with potatoes
  • [14:56:58] <_av500_> q4tester: so, dig in and find out
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  • [15:00:42] <Anguel> any idea which is the latest angstrom that supports 3d? just wanted to test it
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  • [15:01:39] <_av500_> none
  • [15:02:44] <Anguel> _av500_: none regarding 3d?
  • [15:03:07] <_av500_> correct
  • [15:04:29] <Anguel> hmm, but his guy here is showing it (@ 10 min) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTJC-_rlMY&feature=share&list=PLF4A1A7E09E5E260A
  • [15:05:37] <Vaizki> ask him?
  • [15:06:19] <_av500_> QT happily uses SW for 3d rendering
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  • [15:06:48] <Vaizki> why does everyone want to do 3D gfx on their BBB...
  • [15:07:20] <Anguel> he uses 2012.11.22, just wanted to see how it looks :-)
  • [15:07:37] <_av500_> maybe 2012 had 3d
  • [15:07:44] <_av500_> but not 3.8 kernel
  • [15:07:46] <_av500_> koen might know
  • [15:08:13] <Anguel> I also think so, I think koen told me yesterday that the latest kernel does not support it
  • [15:08:26] <_av500_> correct
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  • [15:12:05] <LetoThe2nd> prp^2: howdy! back to life you are?
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  • [15:15:18] <koen> there's a rumour TI is developing the sgx stuff against 3.12
  • [15:15:47] <koen> I'd give that rumour the same treatment as the firm statement that said "kernel support will be done with 3.8"
  • [15:17:14] <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
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  • [16:35:45] <mranostay> emeb_mac: FPGA tuesday
  • [16:36:00] <emeb> mranostay: every day is FPGA day!
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  • [16:37:10] <Russ> Virtex-7's for everyone
  • [16:37:31] <mranostay> emeb: except ASIC Sunday
  • [16:37:39] <mranostay> and CPLD Thursday
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  • [16:42:30] <hrishik23> hi
  • [16:42:38] <hrishik23> I have beaglebone A3
  • [16:42:51] <hrishik23> I am wishing to work on camera driver
  • [16:42:56] <hrishik23> anybody has idea
  • [16:43:04] <hrishik23> how can i start
  • [16:43:27] <hrishik23> is there cape available that i can purchase for beagle bone A3
  • [16:45:41] <hrishik23> hi anyone here
  • [16:45:42] <hrishik23> ??
  • [16:45:57] <hrishik23> Please mail me hrishiikesh231987@gmail.com
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  • [16:46:10] <hrishik23> hi frans
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  • [16:46:32] <emeb> http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=BeagleBone_3.1MP_Camera
  • [16:46:58] <hrishik23> hi emeb
  • [16:47:13] <emeb> hi
  • [16:47:39] <JimB> Hej! Who's using Angstrom vs. another OS on BBB?
  • [16:48:06] <hrishik23> actually..i have gone through this Link itss..useful
  • [16:48:08] <hrishik23> reallly
  • [16:48:11] <hrishik23> thanks
  • [16:48:43] <hrishik23> as i have the board.. can i buy the cape
  • [16:48:45] <hrishik23> only
  • [16:49:14] <hrishik23> i went to element 14 .. but it has both board along with cape
  • [16:51:12] <hrishik23> u htere
  • [16:51:14] <hrishik23> there
  • [16:51:44] <emeb> are you asking a question?
  • [16:51:54] <hrishik23> yeah
  • [16:52:05] <hrishik23> can i get only camera module
  • [16:52:07] <hrishik23> ?
  • [16:52:38] <emeb> you want to buy just the camera cape?
  • [16:52:43] <hrishik23> y
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  • [16:53:30] <hrishik23> http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone?view=overview%20Camera%E2%80%8F
  • [16:53:35] <hrishik23> i have this link
  • [16:53:48] <hrishik23> but its along with board and out of stock
  • [16:53:59] <emeb> http://boardzoo.com/index.php/beaglebone/bone-31mp-camera.html
  • [16:57:07] <hrishik23> one min
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  • [16:58:54] <hrishik23> hii
  • [16:58:56] <hrishik23> thanks
  • [16:59:07] <hrishik23> Note: This cape is functional with BeagleBone Black but requires boot from SD card.
  • [16:59:21] <hrishik23> hey will this be compatible wit A3
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  • [17:02:02] <hrishik23> ok
  • [17:03:24] <arthur_> Hello. I'm having trouble getting audio through HDMI on the BBB in Ubuntu. I purchased a Panlong HDMI Audio Extractor which shows that it has power with a frequency sweep, but aplay doesn't give sound output. Can you help me troubleshoot?
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  • [17:08:24] <arthur_> Does HDMI audio on the beaglebone black in Ubuntu require HDMI video?
  • [17:11:07] <hrishik23> HI People
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  • [17:11:58] <hrishik23> Beagle bone black[am3358] & beagle bone white[am3359]
  • [17:12:09] <hrishik23> whats the Major difference
  • [17:12:10] <hrishik23> ?
  • [17:12:13] <Vaizki> arthur_: hdmi always requires video to transmit audio
  • [17:12:24] <Vaizki> it's a horrible kludge
  • [17:12:25] <hrishik23> are the Cape interchangable
  • [17:12:36] <hrishik23> Specifically
  • [17:12:40] <hrishik23> Camera 3.1
  • [17:13:12] <Vaizki> BBB is faster, cheaper, newer and has HDMI + built in 2GB flash but no built in usb serial
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  • [17:13:21] <Vaizki> capes.. google it
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  • [17:15:49] <hrishik23> Vaiz ..thanls
  • [17:15:51] <hrishik23> thanks
  • [17:16:14] <Vaizki> we please to aim.
  • [17:16:20] <hrishik23> Ok any ..Pointer for pin multiplexing
  • [17:16:24] <hrishik23> for camera
  • [17:16:25] <hrishik23> ?
  • [17:16:31] <hrishik23> @Vaiz
  • [17:16:31] <KotH> Vaizki: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/196
  • [17:16:43] <hurlawhirl> ^^should be done by the eeprom I believe
  • [17:16:47] <hurlawhirl> on BBB
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  • [17:18:22] <hurlawhirl> has anyone gotten uart hardware flow control working on the BBB, btw? I have it working but there's a delay that make it unusable, I don't think "auto-rts/cts" is enabled.
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  • [17:19:26] <arthur__> Vaizki: The adapter that I purchased has only audio outputs: http://www.amazon.com/Panlong-Extractor-Decoder-Digital-Adapter/dp/B00DMZOUVK . Is there a way to still use the adapter?
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  • [17:20:16] <hrishik23> Guyss..fast tipsss for configuring ..camera 3.1
  • [17:20:43] <hrishik23> BB
  • [17:21:12] <Vaizki> arthur__: yea that should work. it will probably tell the other end of the hdmi that it's a 720p display or something and just throw away the image data
  • [17:21:23] <Vaizki> hdmi has the audio in the horizontal blanking period
  • [17:21:37] <Vaizki> so without picture, no blanking periods to hide audio in :)
  • [17:21:49] <Vaizki> anyway I'm off&
  • [17:22:15] <arthur__> Still, my adapter won't play any audio and I'm having problems troubleshooting.
  • [17:22:20] <arthur__> Vaizki: thanks, though!
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  • [17:47:50] <arthur__> Still troubleshooting BBB HDMI audio using audio extractor. alsamixer says "This sound device does not have any controls". aplay seems to play normally, but with no audio. aplay through my USB audio device works correctly, so the problem is specific to HDMI audio output. Can someone suggest troubleshooting steps?
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  • [17:53:28] <KotH> arthur__: ask the alsa guys
  • [17:53:40] <KotH> arthur__: i doubt anyone here has experience with that kind of stuff
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  • [17:54:20] <KotH> apropos doubt... some indian has to explain me somewhen where this "i have a doubt" idiom comes from...
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  • [17:55:54] <mranostay> KotH: where is my chocolate and hug?
  • [17:56:13] <Russ> http://web.archive.org/web/20080309071050/http://www.numenorean.net/blog/archives/2006/07/vishys_indian_e_33.html
  • [17:57:11] <KotH> Russ: interesting
  • [17:57:13] <KotH> Russ: thanks!
  • [17:57:18] <KotH> mranostay: no chocolate for you!
  • [17:57:23] <KotH> mranostay: and definitly no hugs!
  • [17:57:26] <mranostay> damn
  • [17:58:02] <Russ> english is used pretty extensively in india, but its certainly its own dialect
  • [17:58:15] <KotH> mranostay: unless you pledge your alliance to the delicious chocolate troll and abjure hersheys!
  • [17:58:56] <mranostay> sure i can lie to get hugs
  • [17:59:23] <arthur__> KotH: thanks much!
  • [17:59:27] <KotH> Russ: yes, i learned that early in my university career
  • [18:00:05] <KotH> Russ: once i was standing in line behind two indians. it took me 10 minutes to realize they were not talking hindi or something, but english
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  • [18:02:47] <Russ> always weird when you sneeze and something oopses
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  • [18:03:26] <KotH> you learn not to sneeze when measuring high voltage electronics :)
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  • [18:06:35] <mranostay> Sneeze of Death(tm)
  • [18:07:40] <Russ> ...reproduction steps...
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  • [18:07:51] <KotH> "please sneeze once"
  • [18:08:12] <mranostay> heh single sneezes are rare in my experience
  • [18:08:18] <dm8tbr> sneeze once between those two plates charged to 50kV
  • [18:08:20] <mranostay> usually double
  • [18:08:35] <dm8tbr> *brzzzzzzzzp*
  • [18:09:48] <arthur__> I've had big problems with the USB audio host in Ubuntu getting corrupted with a hard shutdown. I tried to add a battery backup via the pins to allow the BBB to shutdown gracefully. When I pulled the power, though, I couldn't restart the BBB by adding power back. It went into a low power mode but didn't shut off completely.
  • [18:10:09] <arthur__> Is there an easy way to make the BBB shutdown fully but gracefully when power is pulled with a battery backup
  • [18:10:16] <arthur__> so that it can restart when power is added back?
  • [18:10:36] <KotH> dm8tbr: i dont think you can get near enough anything charged at 50kV to sneeze at it
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  • [18:10:49] <KotH> dm8tbr: the sparks in your ears will keep you away from it :)
  • [18:11:16] <KotH> arthur__: afaik the PMIC is supposed to signal that condition to the cpu
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  • [18:12:22] <arthur__> KotH: I think the CPU did shut down, but the PMIC didn't see adding back 5V as a signal to power up again
  • [18:12:41] <arthur__> also, the sys_5V power rail stayed on after CPU shutdown
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  • [18:13:51] <dm8tbr> KotH: well 20dB less.. 5kV better?
  • [18:14:23] <KotH> dm8tbr: make it 10kV and it'll be purrrfect :)
  • [18:14:51] <dm8tbr> puuuurrrrrrzzzzap
  • [18:15:12] * dm8tbr could offer 4kV 3A
  • [18:15:20] <dm8tbr> that's also some serious stuff
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  • [18:17:58] <KotH> nearly as serious as chocolate
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  • [18:19:14] * mranostay thinks KotH enjoys chocolate more he does beer
  • [18:20:23] <KotH> mranostay: probably
  • [18:21:04] <KotH> mranostay: but i eat chocolate mostly together with friends, while talking about stuff
  • [18:21:17] <mranostay> s/chocolate/beer/
  • [18:21:26] <KotH> hmm?
  • [18:21:31] <KotH> you eat beer? ;)
  • [18:21:32] <mranostay> for me :)
  • [18:21:36] <mranostay> yeah i noticed that
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  • [18:24:06] <KotH> well.. ze germans call beer "liquid bread" :)
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  • [18:29:03] <arthur__> KotH: thanks for your help
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  • [18:38:19] <mranostay> KotH: german all things!
  • [18:39:30] <Spirilis> mmm chocolate
  • [18:41:28] * mranostay rolls some german tanks into .ch
  • [18:42:07] * Spirilis watches tanks roll off cliff first
  • [18:42:10] <KotH> mranostay: you know, there is german village, that is regularly invaded by swiss tanks
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  • [18:42:43] <Bo_DK> Stupid q... but where can i find a pinout that shows the serial ports? have googled for it...
  • [18:42:55] <KotH> mranostay: it happens so often, that neither the germans complain about it, nor the swiss report it to the germans :)
  • [18:42:55] <Bo_DK> been told there is 4 of them
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  • [18:43:12] <KotH> Bo_DK: read the TRM
  • [18:43:37] <Bo_DK> did that..... and did not find the ports... will continue on google
  • [18:44:40] <mranostay> KotH: you guys have a history of forgetting where the borders are for military drills :)
  • [18:44:42] <Bo_DK> there was this one: http://beagleboard.org/static/images/cape-headers-serial.png
  • [18:45:09] <Bo_DK> then this: http://letsmakerobots.com/files/userpics/u19048/B_3PinOut3.png
  • [18:45:10] <KotH> mranostay: well, it's a german enclave near a swiss tank training ground
  • [18:45:21] <KotH> mranostay: people tend to miss a turn often there
  • [18:45:28] <Bo_DK> that was the part that confused me
  • [18:45:28] <mranostay> KotH: germany has a enclave within .ch?
  • [18:45:35] <KotH> juup
  • [18:46:01] <KotH> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCsingen_am_Hochrhein
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  • [18:46:24] <KotH> mranostay: although they call it "hochrhein" it's "niederrhein" for the swiss ;)
  • [18:48:27] <mranostay> KotH: ah only by 700 meters
  • [18:49:11] <KotH> 700m and a village :)
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  • [18:50:31] <mranostay> KotH: must have interesting before the Schengen region
  • [18:51:11] <KotH> mranostay: .ch, .at and .fr had so called green borders
  • [18:51:43] <KotH> mranostay: ie, travell within these countries was simplified a lot. no passports needed and no customs papers for personal belongings
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  • [18:52:25] <KotH> mranostay: it got actually a bit more complicated after schengen, because schengen demanded strict controls at the border and .ch wasnt part of schengen
  • [18:53:11] <KotH> mranostay: european border politics are a lot of fun
  • [18:53:31] <KotH> mranostay: i guess you have all these sports crazyness because you dont have these small quarells to keep you busy ;)
  • [18:53:49] <KotH> mranostay: you, as in you usians
  • [18:54:58] <mranostay> KotH: don't make us come bomb you
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  • [18:55:51] <KotH> mranostay: thanks, we dont need your fake democracy. we have achieved true democracy in switzerland ;)
  • [18:56:02] <mranostay> hah
  • [18:56:14] <mranostay> no such thing
  • [18:57:05] <KotH> there is a fake democracy
  • [18:57:17] <KotH> you are a republic but claim to be democracy
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  • [19:00:33] <mranostay> don't facepalm the future!
  • [19:00:51] <georgem> Tried not to but I just found/fixed another major bug
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  • [19:09:22] <georgem> mranostay: It's okay, nothing to fear. I'll save the world from systemd one bug at a time :P. Either that or I'll end up like the guy that ran in front of the tank at Tiananmen Square.
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  • [19:14:05] <mranostay> i can tell you which one is more fun to watch..... :P
  • [19:14:21] <georgem> heh
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  • [19:15:23] <mranostay> georgem: chinese prisons can't be that bad right?
  • [19:15:23] <KotH> i'm for the tienamen square guy!
  • [19:15:29] <mranostay> +1
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  • [19:17:53] <mranostay> georgem: don't you guys have a famous prison there? :P
  • [19:19:03] <georgem> yeah... Leavenworth
  • [19:20:14] <KotH> what is it with you usians and your fixation on prisons? ;)
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  • [19:22:08] <mranostay> for illegal chocolate smuggling
  • [19:24:13] <KotH> that's all for personal use only!
  • [19:24:59] <georgem> just take a bit out of each bar ahead of time
  • [19:25:09] <georgem> bite*
  • [19:25:32] <KotH> dont tell that mranostay, or he'll walk around with a piece of furniture
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  • [19:26:33] <georgem> heh
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  • [19:51:28] <dm8tbr> # Don't describe what you're trying to do, just ask random questions on how to do it. YOLO
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  • [19:58:36] <tacon> Heusenstamm is a beautiful place this time of year I would imagine
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  • [20:01:44] <mranostay> tacon: you nick is one letter from awesome
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  • [20:09:35] <tacon> mranostay: sadly taco was already taken
  • [20:10:03] <mranostay> bacon!
  • [20:10:49] <tacon> oh
  • [20:10:54] <tacon> yeah bacon is pretty awesome too
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  • [20:17:44] <georgem> What about Macon, GA. Its pretty awesome too in a not really awesome at all kind of way.
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  • [20:19:01] <SpeedEvil> which is not awesome. (It's a fan)
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  • [21:16:43] <ramaship> Hey, does the http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.08.21.img.xz link work for you?
  • [21:17:12] <ramaship> I can download the eMMC flasher version, but the SD-version seems to be a dead link
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  • [21:24:07] <prpplague> ramaship: they are being updated
  • [21:25:46] <ramaship> thx for the information. Is there a changelog? I just found changelog-20120509-20120618.txt
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  • [21:29:32] <bsite341> what ethernet chipset does the beaglebone black use?
  • [21:29:47] <ramaship> When I am using an older version like the 2013.07.31.img Is it possible to apply the changes made in version 2013.08.21.img without loading the whole new image. I do not want to set up my system everytime. Will the 'opkg update' 'opkg upgrade'apply the same changes?
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  • [21:50:41] <ds2> the bone uses the AM3359 chipset
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  • [21:54:13] <XorA> ramaship: best option, backup your SD card then try it
  • [21:54:26] <XorA> ramaship: s/sd/emmc/
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  • [22:06:02] <pru_evtout_2> so, i'm guessing the 8-21 demo image was a fail?
  • [22:06:07] <pru_evtout_2> the link at http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ is dead.
  • [22:07:50] <djlewis> i heard it is being updated ;)
  • [22:08:15] <pru_evtout_2> was there last week :-\
  • [22:08:25] <pru_evtout_2> err..maybe not.
  • [22:08:43] <pru_evtout_2> kinda strange to put a non working link. you'd assume it was some live view of a directory.
  • [22:09:00] <pru_evtout_2> do you know if building the demo image works yet?
  • [22:09:22] <pru_evtout_2> (wasn't about two weeks ago)
  • [22:10:50] <pru_evtout_2> hoping they have the power button working in the next image.
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  • [23:03:11] <Ravo> Does beagleboard have any method of SATA support?
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  • [23:10:01] <m_billybob> no. unless you use a SATA to USB bridge adapter
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