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[00:35:25] <mranostay> hi
[00:36:05] <mru> hi boys, girls, trolls, and mranostay
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[00:44:23] <mranostay> mru: why the hate?
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[01:08:56] <ka6sox> mranostay, pingu?
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[02:19:40] <nomel> hey, how can i add a message to the system log?
[02:19:52] <nomel> bbb, latest image
[02:19:54] <nomel> the syslog command doesn't seem to exist.
[02:20:18] <wolfeidau> nomel: is logger not installed?
[02:20:53] <nomel> it is! juts didn't know what i was looking for.
[02:20:54] <nomel> thanks yo.
[02:21:03] <wolfeidau> nomel: no problem at all :)
[02:21:13] * nomel puts on his latex glove and gives wolfeidau a high five.
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[02:38:28] <nomel> is there any sort of working solution for storing the device tree for a cape in the eeprom
[02:38:33] <nomel> ?
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[02:50:38] <fishhead2568> good evening. quick question: how would i get the kernel headers for ubunto on the BBB? i would like to compile a driver but i get a complaint /lib/modules/3.8.13-bone20/ does not exist
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[02:57:03] <fishhead2568> bwaha. been gogogling for 20 minutes but i found it. but then the .deb broke =(
[02:57:26] <Guest15219> *hassle*. . . Someone's always got my nick.
[02:58:03] <Guest15219> hey folks! any news on the 8/20 production image? (was going to post today?)
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[03:18:22] <nomel> Guest15219: was anything cool supposed to be included?
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[03:24:02] <nomel> i'm reading the latest bbb srm
[03:24:05] <nomel> is the eeprom pin usage used?
[03:24:49] <nomel> to set pinmux states, or is the srm (still) incorrect?
[03:28:37] <mranostay> nomel: yeah we aren't using the data on the eeprom
[03:28:44] <mranostay> just the id and version
[03:30:53] <nomel> the srm is a bit borken then.
[03:31:37] <mranostay> no it was never done that why
[03:31:55] <nomel> so then the srm has always been wrong?
[03:32:11] <nomel> "Table 17 is the locations in the EEPROM to set the I/O pin usage for the cape. It contains the value to be written to the Pad Control Registers."
[03:32:22] <nomel> is absolutely incorrect then.
[03:32:23] <nomel> and should be removed.
[03:32:34] <mranostay> no never done in software
[03:32:48] <nomel> and...that means the srm was never correct.
[03:32:55] <mranostay> for all i know the pin info is on the eeprom
[03:32:55] <nomel> so it should probably be fixed.
[03:32:57] <nomel> that's all i'm saying.
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[03:33:27] <mranostay> it isn't borken just no support in DT or such for it
[03:33:34] <ii> dont suppose anyone knows where i might get a case - like the lgx-bb100 - reasonably priced? i tried one site, and they wanted $50 shipping to australia :(
[03:33:49] <nomel> dude...the service reference manual say it does work, so the service reference manual is incorrect.
[03:34:25] <nomel> the service reference manual should be changed so it's not incorrect.
[03:34:42] <mranostay> nomel: works with what? software has to be written for it
[03:34:48] <nomel> :-|
[03:35:11] <mranostay> the SRM doesn't reference OS support
[03:35:42] <nomel> here's a question
[03:35:46] <nomel> is this a true sentence
[03:35:47] <nomel> ""Table 17 is the locations in the EEPROM to set the I/O pin usage for the cape. It contains the value to be written to the Pad Control Registers.""
[03:36:19] <nomel> first one sentence.
[03:36:58] <nomel> it should at least say "this is unsupported by all software in existence at this point so don't bother with it"
[03:37:25] <nomel> the way it's worded makes it sound like it's somehow tied with reality.
[03:37:29] <mranostay> ah no that is unreasonble
[03:38:59] <mranostay> you think the hardware people writing that should be following koen's evil vendor tree?
[03:40:37] <thurgood> koen's response I'm sure would be "patches welcome"
[03:42:40] <mranostay> thurgood: yes i was holding that back
[03:43:14] <mranostay> thurgood: next i'll have to folow verilog changes to be sure my software docs are accurate :)
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[03:46:54] <Mikey> hi
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[03:47:36] * thurgood waits for the 250 replies that are not coming :P
[03:47:59] <mranostay> _av500_: you still have that beagleborad pic? i kileld my EC2 server before getting that
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[03:53:15] <mranostay> omg i love fuzzy people!
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[03:55:12] <fuzzy> :)
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[03:57:59] <nomel> wow, all the dts files in this new image are great!
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[04:26:33] <mrpackethead> what do the good trolls at #beagle have to say
[04:26:33] <mrpackethead> http://www.cdlnz.com/productimages/pdfs/wl7811un.pdf
[04:26:43] <mrpackethead> is this one going to work with the beagle?
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[04:29:27] <ds2> buy one and try it then report back
[04:29:28] <ds2> :D
[04:35:46] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, YMMV
[04:36:19] <dm8tbr> which chipset is that?
[04:36:30] * dm8tbr guesses the usual RTL-something-something
[04:38:59] <ds2> RTL is realtek or ralink?
[04:39:23] <dm8tbr> mrpackethead: the search engine of my least distrust finds a blog post about it working with that cake board...
[04:39:37] <dm8tbr> ds2: Realtek RTL8188CUS
[04:39:38] <Guest15219> Realtek. . . and if I'd have to guess, that one's got an 8188
[04:39:45] <Guest15219> yeah, that
[04:40:57] * dm8tbr needs to get his BT4.0 dongle working, comes up as some weird hid-proxy
[04:41:21] <ds2> dm8tbr: BT classic or dualmode?
[04:42:17] <mrpackethead> they are only $15
[04:42:21] <mrpackethead> so, i'm tempted to buy it
[04:44:16] * mranostay buys 300 on mrpackethead's credit card
[04:44:29] <mrpackethead> my creidt card is maxed todya
[04:45:13] * ds2 watches mrpackethead get assessed over the limit fees
[04:45:55] <mrpackethead> i need to do multicast over wifi
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[04:45:59] <mrpackethead> never done that before
[04:46:19] <ds2> what does it mean to do multicast over wifi?
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[04:46:39] <ds2> does WDS even prune multicast?
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[04:47:18] <mranostay> maxed? they have low limits in .nz?
[04:47:59] <ii> who would want a credit card with a high limit? :/
[04:48:06] <mrpackethead> mranostay: i had a rather large spend yesterday
[04:48:16] <mrpackethead> will be unmaxed tommorrow
[04:48:41] <dm8tbr> ds2: I'd like to use the low energy part of it to talk to some stuff
[04:49:07] <ds2> dm8tbr: which dongle did you get?
[04:49:19] <mranostay> having one credit card with a high limit is nice
[04:49:33] * ii only has one credit card, with a relatively low limit
[04:49:37] <mranostay> for those rare 5k purchases
[04:50:04] <ii> if you have the money anyway, why's it matter?
[04:50:12] <joelagnel> and for a good credit history
[04:50:13] <ii> use cash, or transfer that cash to your credit card account
[04:50:15] <dm8tbr> ds2: sitecom CN524 v1 - lsusb sees it as a cambridge silicon. I take the latter as a good sign
[04:50:25] <ds2> ii: got to provide bait for fraudsters!
[04:50:44] <dm8tbr> 0a12:100b Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd
[04:50:45] <ii> credit cards are just a temptation into massive debt and problems .. dont fall into that trap.
[04:52:34] <mrpackethead> i often put more than $50k per month on my card
[04:52:43] <ii> o.O
[04:52:45] <ds2> 50K USD?
[04:52:45] <mrpackethead> it is always paid back before interest accrues
[04:52:48] <ii> you must own a business or something then
[04:52:57] <mrpackethead> yes, ii
[04:52:59] <ii> not exactly a normal situation
[04:53:07] <ii> and not really relevant
[04:53:18] <mrpackethead> not relevant to you
[04:53:23] <mrpackethead> but very relevent to me
[04:53:26] <ii> not really relevant to the point i was making
[04:53:27] <mrpackethead> and since i started the converdstaon
[04:53:39] <mrpackethead> we dont' care about your trolling point
[04:53:43] <ii> ...
[04:59:56] <ka6sox> bleh...
[05:00:15] <ka6sox> I think I should just sleep instead of bashing my head against this board design.
[05:00:17] <ka6sox> too tired
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[05:06:59] <ds2> but the best boards are designed w/o any sleep ;)
[05:07:10] <ds2> ground and VCC are suppose to connect to each other
[05:07:12] <ds2> :D
[05:09:25] * mranostay notes ds2 is a crazy man
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[05:27:27] <mrpackethead> mranostay: you note crazy because you are razy
[05:27:40] <mrpackethead> VCC can be be connected to GND
[05:27:43] <mrpackethead> that is acceptable
[05:27:57] <mrpackethead> for very low values of VCC
[05:28:48] <mranostay> and nice amounts of ohm
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[05:29:32] <mrpackethead> "nice" ohms
[05:29:40] <mrpackethead> that is so scientific
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[05:31:19] <broncomike> I am trying to install mkudevrule.sh on my ubuntu 12.04. I made the file executable. It will not execute. I tried to source it and when I do I get the following message: bash: /etc/udev/rules.d/73-beaglebone.rules: Permission denied. What am I doing wrong?
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[05:32:09] <mrpackethead> do you guys call an "edison" plug a NEMA 5-15P by any chance
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[05:33:50] <mranostay> edison plug?
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[05:37:41] <mrpackethead> yup
[05:37:45] <mrpackethead> two flats and one round
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[05:42:11] <mranostay> mrpackethead: first time i've heard that
[05:42:26] <mrpackethead> what NEMA 5-15P
[05:42:32] <mrpackethead> or two flats and round
[05:42:58] <mranostay> heh didn't know it was called NEMA 5-15P
[05:43:11] <mrpackethead> you intel folks are so boring
[05:43:25] <mrpackethead> go and breed with some googlers
[05:43:39] <mranostay> mrpackethead: and offspring some yahooers?
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[05:47:37] <_av500_> US power plugs look like toys
[05:47:44] <_av500_> just saying
[05:47:50] <mranostay> _av500_: bite me eurotrash
[05:48:01] <mranostay> sorry it is the alcohol
[05:48:03] <mranostay> :)
[05:48:12] <scrts> TI launched 25USD voucher: National-1yr. You can use it on TI eStore
[05:48:51] <mranostay> scrts: 25$ free where?!!
[05:49:56] <scrts> https://estore.ti.com
[05:50:51] * mranostay buys some TI porn^H^H^H^HICs
[05:52:35] <mranostay> scrts: i don't see it
[05:52:56] * mranostay is reminded he has never used his launchpad
[05:53:35] <mranostay> _av500_: have that boris pic?
[05:54:50] <scrts> mranostay -> order anything You like on TI eStore
[05:55:00] <scrts> and later enter the coupon code to get 25usd discount
[05:55:30] <_av500_> lol, the stellaris LP is 7.99, the Tiva is 12.99
[05:55:32] <Guest91345> when i compile my module in angstrom distribution, i get this error , fatal error: linux/module.h: No such file or directory..any ideas?
[05:55:39] <_av500_> $5 off for a name
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[05:59:58] <thurgood> Guest91345: are you trying to compile a module natively?
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[06:01:29] * mranostay sleeps
[06:01:46] * mranostay has sweet dreams of av500
[06:04:33] <dm8tbr> sweet dreams are made of recycled trolling electrons?
[06:05:43] <mranostay> dm8tbr: don't make me drag you into the dream as well
[06:07:18] <mranostay> woot PCBs shipped from China
[06:07:23] * mranostay really sleeps now
[06:07:40] * dm8tbr will have some good office sleep
[06:07:45] <dm8tbr> some telcos coming up today
[06:07:48] <thefunc5> has anyone ever setup the BBB as a router/firewall appliance?
[06:08:23] <dm8tbr> thefunc5: you can, not the super bestest idea if you need high throughput (close to 100M)
[06:09:16] <thefunc5> dm8tbr: i wouldnt need that much here in america, my ISP only throws a claimed 27Mbps but the max throughput is only about 5Mbps
[06:09:34] <Guest91345> yes...
[06:10:16] <thefunc5> i havent found any good guides other than installing arch linux, which from there i could go with iptables and such, but i was looking for something like pfsense or ipfire
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[06:10:50] <Guest91345> i compile the source code using BBB at the directory of /home/root/
[06:10:52] <scrts> cool... and we have 300Mbps optics @ home here :>
[06:11:11] <thefunc5> scrp3l: im so jealous!
[06:11:19] <dm8tbr> thefunc5: well, it will work with any distro really, just load the iptables nat module and you're almost there
[06:11:32] <dm8tbr> but second ethernet over usb is a bit meh
[06:11:40] <Guest91345> gcc -c hello.c
[06:11:57] <dm8tbr> Guest91345: find the blog post about kernel workflow on angstrom
[06:11:59] <thefunc5> dm8tbr: i really wanted a nice gui lol kinda worn out when it comes to cli management of routers/firewalls
[06:12:06] <ii> lol
[06:12:22] <dm8tbr> thefunc5: ah, just buy a 20currency-unit chinese plastic router ;)
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[06:19:03] <Guest91345> its not possible for me to link a new module into natively on BBB ?
[06:19:49] <Guest91345> is it not possible for me to link a new module in Angstrom natively on BBB ?
[06:20:36] <scrts> should be possible :)
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[06:24:32] <thefunc5> dm8tbr: lol i may have to just suck it up and do cli, i cant stand the routers/APs they have for the home markets.
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[06:26:33] <ashes> hello
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[06:26:53] <ashes> are any of you familiar with using a beaglebone to control a 3 phase motor?
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[06:28:22] <ashes> there are quirks with using linux to control an electric moped motor, such as powering the volume of an audio system to make the sound of a harley davidson when i accelerate
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[06:28:44] <ashes> it can also be used as a signal light relay
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[06:29:06] <ashes> i have deep pockets, and i want to learn
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[06:29:37] <ashes> i dislike owning stuff that is not reverse engineered or open source
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[06:30:17] <thefunc5> for the volume, could you not go of rpm signal?
[06:30:36] <ashes> sure
[06:30:38] <thefunc5> im unfamiliar with mopeds but when i program ECUs for cars we use rpm signal for all kinds of things
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[06:31:25] <ashes> i don't know if the motor has an rpm signal
[06:31:42] <ashes> but i'm sure i can figure something out
[06:32:35] <thefunc5> that would be the way to go with the harley noise, since you could chop the audio file up into a bunch of pieces and then link them to sequence with rpm so it truely goes throughout the rev range
[06:32:47] <thefunc5> thought since its an electric motor idk how that would work
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[06:32:55] <ii> dm8tbr: what about a mikrotik?
[06:33:00] <ashes> from what i understand with 3 phase motors, they need 3 motor controllers, which beaglebone has. my friend said i would need a 3 phase contactor though, so maybe it's not practical to do this in software
[06:33:34] <thefunc5> ashes: i have to ask...why not just buy a harley? lol
[06:34:20] <ashes> thefunc5: my moped is unlike any moped you have ever seen. i feel like a hot redhead. everyone looks at me. if i road a harley, i would not be special anymore
[06:34:40] <ashes> my moped stops people in their tracks
[06:34:56] <ii> everyone stopping and looking at you may not be for the right reasons.
[06:35:01] <ii> or the reasons you think
[06:35:13] <ashes> sure. i know my moped looks really messed up
[06:35:16] <thefunc5> i demand pics of this moped lol i cant think of any electronic vehicle that i would doubletake at
[06:35:21] <ashes> wires all over the place
[06:35:23] <thefunc5> even teslas are horrendous to me
[06:35:30] <ashes> i gave it a sex change operation
[06:36:08] <ii> mopeds have gender? o.O
[06:36:10] <woglinde> lol
[06:36:12] <ashes> http://www.secondfloor.ca/Jessica/20130806.jpg
[06:36:15] <thefunc5> ride an old jap bike? thatll stop people in their tracks everywhere you go. everytime you stop to fill up at a gas station someone will walk up and ask you about it and tell you their story from when they had a bike like that
[06:36:42] <thefunc5> lol rat moped, seems legit
[06:37:20] <rbarris> BBB question: it looks like my CircuitCo LCD3 rev A1 is no-go on a BBB; does anyone know if CircuitCo will let me trade my A1 in for an A2 ?
[06:37:41] <rbarris> (... or maybe there is a rework that might get it going ? )
[06:37:44] <ashes> i'm reverse engineering my bike
[06:38:09] <ashes> i am doing to it what i do with everything i own
[06:38:21] <ashes> the bike is special because it's something other people can see
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[06:40:32] <ashes> i found cold solder joints, and chinese wire that melts when i apply heat shrink, so i replaced all the wire on the bike with americian made wire and soldered weatherproof connectors
[06:40:41] <ashes> or, i am in the process of that
[06:40:55] <ashes> i found a lot of wasted space
[06:41:04] <ashes> i am adding saddle bags for storage
[06:41:18] <thefunc5> are you sure the wire isnt just old? on my old bikes from the 60s and 70s the wire will melt if you apply heat such as heatshrinking lol
[06:41:18] <ashes> the frame and motor are good
[06:41:35] <ashes> it's a 2007 model
[06:41:57] <ashes> the frame was well made. the motor is strong. the rest needs to be replaced
[06:42:06] <ashes> i bought a $300 led headlight
[06:42:17] <ashes> i call it "the night sun"
[06:42:19] <ii> o.O
[06:42:31] <ashes> my brake and signal lights are all led
[06:43:12] <ashes> replaced most of the wiring. my 48 volt system is 10 gauge. 12 volt is 18 gauge
[06:43:42] <thefunc5> i demand a link to the headlight
[06:43:49] <thefunc5> im tired of driving with a candle
[06:43:54] <thefunc5> or riding rather
[06:44:29] <woglinde> rbarris why not ask CircuitCo directly
[06:44:40] <rbarris> sure. what is their email...
[06:44:53] <rbarris> i'll be darned if I can find it. I do see a twitter...
[06:45:02] <woglinde> rbarris uhm o.O if you do not find there website
[06:45:27] <rbarris> oh hey, a website
[06:45:33] <rbarris> i always googled it and didn't hit it
[06:45:36] <ashes> i bought from lorco, and their site sucks. i don't have a link
[06:45:53] <ashes> it's 200 watts of light, and uses 1.5 amps of power
[06:46:06] <ashes> lordco
[06:46:09] <woglinde> o.O
[06:46:11] <woglinde> http://circuitco.com/wordpress/contact-us/
[06:46:47] <thefunc5> oh thats WAY too much power ol
[06:47:11] <ashes> it's a tough waterproof light
[06:48:02] <mrpackethead> linked in is just stupid.
[06:50:30] <ka6sox> ashes, those numbers don't add up..unless you are feeding it with 160VDC
[06:52:21] <rbarris> tnx woglinde, query posted on the site
[06:52:48] <woglinde> mrpackethead why?
[06:52:58] <woglinde> hi ka6sox no sleep again?
[06:53:06] <ka6sox> woglinde, not yet
[06:53:09] <mrpackethead> woglinde: why what?
[06:53:21] <ka6sox> woglinde, RSN I hope
[06:53:27] <ashes> ka6sox: 200 watts of light. it doesn't use 200 watts. it's compared to traditional lighting
[06:53:53] <ka6sox> ashes, okay...lumen for lumen you mean...
[06:55:32] * Russ looks at the arm linker options for vmlinux
[06:55:41] <Russ> notices a '-p'
[06:55:48] <Russ> can't find info on it anywhere
[06:55:57] <Russ> but there is a really helpful comment above it in the kernel source
[06:55:59] <Russ> # ?
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[06:57:54] <ashes> http://www.secondfloor.ca/Jessica/IMG_20130821.jpg
[06:59:14] <ka6sox> ashes, thats a minibike a hacker can love...its got all the elements.
[06:59:44] <ka6sox> Milk Cartons, Batteries strapped on...wires hanging out....
[06:59:51] <ashes> the front fender is a prototype. i'm replacing it soon
[07:00:02] <ka6sox> FOSS Biek
[07:00:05] <ka6sox> er Bike
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[07:01:18] <ka6sox> it reminds me of my 3D printer...I'm constantly making changes and additions
[07:01:19] <ashes> i plan to also reverse engineer the headlight. it has 7 led lights. i want 1 led for daytime running light, and all seven for night
[07:01:30] <woglinde> mrpackethead linked in is stupid
[07:01:40] <mrpackethead> yah. it sure is.
[07:01:46] <ashes> 1 chosen at random
[07:01:54] <thefunc5> ashes: you could run some sort of hal effect sensor for rpm signal?
[07:01:56] <mrpackethead> People are just givening you skills that you dont' have
[07:02:01] <mrpackethead> in teh hope that you give them some back
[07:02:17] <mrpackethead> i just got "space shuttle commander"
[07:02:23] <woglinde> mrpackethead aeh?
[07:03:00] <woglinde> mrpackethead I tought you only can acknowledge already stated skills
[07:03:29] <woglinde> or is this a bug?
[07:03:40] <ashes> thefunc5: i'm really not thinking that far right now. right now, i need a new front fender and front signal lights. then i want a new cover for the dash, to protect my 12 volt system from rain
[07:03:54] <ashes> then i can look at buying a 96 volt motor
[07:04:02] <ashes> and lithium batteries
[07:04:27] <thefunc5> how fast is the acceleration?
[07:04:46] <ashes> it accelerates faster than cars on a red light
[07:05:11] <ashes> i'm always the first in the middle of the intersection
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[07:05:49] <thefunc5> cars? are we talking a camry or something actually fun?
[07:06:18] <ashes> no one races me. i'm sure a car can take off faster. i'm talking about normal traffic
[07:06:35] <ka6sox> ashes, are you in a rainy climate?
[07:06:49] <ashes> ka6sox: for 9 months of the year, yes
[07:07:14] <thefunc5> ouch
[07:07:28] <ashes> oh
[07:07:53] <ashes> this weekend i plan to remove the rear wheel. it leaks 10 pounds of pressure per day
[07:08:03] <ashes> and i want to stop that
[07:08:25] <ashes> it's a 10kmph difference
[07:09:08] <ashes> and ask them to balance the wheel too
[07:10:18] <ashes> i ran over a large staple, like for assembling a kitchen cabinet
[07:10:27] <ashes> i plugged it with a patch kit
[07:10:51] <ashes> but it still leaks, and professionals won't patch it unless i remove the wheel
[07:11:36] <ka6sox> ashes, where is the Beaglebone going?
[07:11:47] <ashes> ka6sox: motor controller
[07:11:55] <ka6sox> and will you use a LCD3 or LCD4?
[07:12:03] <mrpackethead> one of my puppies got recongised today
[07:12:09] <mrpackethead> But pretty sad
[07:12:10] <ashes> ka6sox: what is lcd?
[07:12:35] <ka6sox> Liquid Crystal Display (3 or 4")
[07:12:48] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, recognized by what?
[07:13:00] <ashes> ka6sox: that isn't really important right now
[07:13:02] <mrpackethead> http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9075528/Shot-police-dog-honoured-for-bravery
[07:13:19] <ashes> ka6sox: i have a 12 volt touchscreen already
[07:14:16] <ashes> i am hungry for beef jerky
[07:14:19] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: we have got 15 operational dogs now..
[07:15:03] <mrpackethead> but was pretty sad, when Gage took a bullet
[07:15:07] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, you raise them?
[07:15:17] <mrpackethead> yup
[07:15:32] <mrpackethead> been raising workign dogs since i was a kid
[07:15:45] <ka6sox> nice
[07:15:52] <mrpackethead> seeing eye dogs, police dogs, drug and detectors
[07:15:52] <ka6sox> but sad about Gage
[07:15:58] <mrpackethead> and most recently SAR dogs
[07:16:09] <mrpackethead> my own dog Jack is NZ's smallest SAR dog
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[07:16:16] <ka6sox> :)
[07:16:18] <mrpackethead> he was'nt intended to be a SAR dog
[07:16:24] <ka6sox> :)
[07:16:32] <mrpackethead> but he comes everywhere with me
[07:16:35] <ka6sox> okay I must sleep or I will fall over
[07:16:39] <mrpackethead> and plays with the "big" boys
[07:16:50] <mrpackethead> and so i put him in the training one day for laughts
[07:16:51] <ka6sox> and probably commands them too.
[07:16:57] <mrpackethead> and he cleaned up
[07:17:04] <mrpackethead> and it was "wow"
[07:17:07] <mrpackethead> hes pretty good at that
[07:17:21] <mrpackethead> 6kg Jack Russell X
[07:17:21] <ka6sox> some dogs just "get it"
[07:17:32] <mrpackethead> we can't cover the ground that the big dogs can
[07:17:38] <mrpackethead> but he can get in places that they can't
[07:17:43] <ka6sox> thats smaller than lots of the cats we know.
[07:17:46] <ka6sox> ya
[07:17:49] <mrpackethead> like EQ damaged buildings
[07:17:50] <ka6sox> smaller spaces
[07:17:53] <Russ> I've noticed with dog training, that for most dogs, there is a pretty definite count of how many times you need to do a command before they get it
[07:18:01] <mrpackethead> yup
[07:18:03] <mrpackethead> for sure.
[07:18:09] <mrpackethead> With Jack, its about 250
[07:18:17] <mrpackethead> with a good shep, its about 1000+
[07:18:22] <Russ> for some dogs its so high that people are convinced they are untrainable
[07:18:36] <mrpackethead> German shepards are hard to train
[07:18:40] <Vaizki> hmm github broke.. gives me 500 on all the project pages I tried :)
[07:18:48] <mrpackethead> adn they are not that smart
[07:18:55] <mrpackethead> they are good at taking people down though
[07:19:00] <mrpackethead> and they are big and strong
[07:19:06] <ka6sox> okay nite folks
[07:19:07] <mrpackethead> and the "fear factor" is high
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[07:19:13] <keesj_> anybody seen this messsage when plugging the BBW onto a PC http://pastebin.com/ycjNNUy7 rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power
[07:19:20] <mrpackethead> nobody would be scared of jack
[07:20:27] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/775597_208686105942172_1710073239_o.jpg
[07:22:06] <Vaizki> ok who broke github?!
[07:22:10] <Vaizki> gnngghgh
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[07:22:24] <Vaizki> talk about a single point of failure in my professional life
[07:23:33] <Russ> I was using it a little while ago, maybe I did something
[07:23:36] <keesj_> you are supposed to clone those repositories
[07:23:58] <Vaizki> keesj_: yes? and if it's down I can't clone them
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[07:29:18] <Vaizki> so does github work for you guys?
[07:29:26] <Vaizki> or is this just some weird local fluke?
[07:29:45] <Vaizki> like https://github.com/andymccurdy/redis-py
[07:29:48] <Vaizki> for example
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[07:40:45] <keesj_> Vaizki: follow their twitter account. do we really care about github on this channel?
[07:43:18] <KotH> CRUSADE!
[07:43:42] <Russ> interesting arm lesson for the day
[07:44:58] <Russ> http://pastebin.com/61dMckfY
[07:45:13] <Russ> watch your bitfields
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[07:45:29] <woglinde> gm koth
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[07:54:13] <koen> mranostay, thurgood: 3.2 had a method to directly mux things based on eeprom contents
[07:54:35] <das> Vaizki: works here. also: downorisitjustme.com
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[07:56:19] <derRichard> hi
[07:56:58] <derRichard> where can i get the latest production image from? on http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software the "Production Image 2013.08.20" points to:
[07:57:01] <derRichard> https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20.img.xz
[07:57:14] <derRichard> 06 vs.08
[07:57:40] <koen> dunno about production stuff, but upstream angstrom is here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
[07:58:59] <derRichard> thanks for the link!
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[08:00:14] <keesj_> Russ: is the second test just skipped? or is there something esle?
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[08:00:33] <Russ> the first test got compiled out
[08:01:17] <Russ> the largest a signed 2 bit field can be is 0x1
[08:01:18] <keesj_> right r1..
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[08:02:43] <Russ> here's without bitfields http://pastebin.com/h5zGYB7G
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[08:05:14] <Russ> and of course, a 1 bit signed bit field can contain either 0, or -1
[08:05:42] <das> does someone else have an employer that blocks pastebin ? any solution to this ? (mirror maybe ?)
[08:06:17] <Russ> hastebin
[08:06:19] <ynezz> there's pastebinit package
[08:06:28] <ynezz> which has quite a few of those services
[08:07:28] <ynezz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013168/
[08:07:56] <Anguel> Hello! I am looking at the Beaglebone Black and I wonder if one can use the USB Client port to implement his own type of USB device, e.g. USB CDC (virtual com port) to make the Beaglebone Black communicate to a host PC. Googled a lot but did not find a clear answer :-(
[08:08:23] <das> ynezz: that's to post right ? I'm looking for something to read
[08:08:47] <ynezz> and you forget to mention that
[08:09:11] <ynezz> just tunnel it over ssh/dns
[08:09:26] <ynezz> there's always a way
[08:09:35] <das> yeah but I'm afraid this is slightly against company rules :)
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[08:09:42] <ynezz> then find another job
[08:09:54] <ynezz> who would mirror pastebin?
[08:10:26] <das> well, since it's kinda blocked in pakistan/.tr too, maybe some hacktivists
[08:10:31] <av500> Anguel: yes
[08:10:44] <av500> look at gadget serial
[08:10:52] <av500> its already implemented
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[08:16:40] <Anguel> av500: Many thanks. I still need to gain experience with Linux as I have only used MCUs so far but this is a good hint. In the FAQ I read that because Black does not have FTDI one would need a USB-to-Serial cable to use the Black as virtual com port. That confused me. So as far as I understand this gadget serial is already in the kernel of the factory image?
[08:16:50] <av500> no
[08:18:05] <av500> a virtual com port is virtual
[08:18:13] <av500> the FTDI was hooked to a real UART on the BBW
[08:18:39] <av500> you can have a com port over USB on the BBB
[08:18:46] <Anguel> I understand, I need only a virtual one :-)
[08:18:48] <av500> the stock SW does that already afaik
[08:19:04] <av500> boot the BBB with Angstrom and your host PC should show a USB serial port
[08:19:34] <Anguel> I see, so this appears in addition to the mass storage device?
[08:20:21] <Anguel> Sorry, still don't have my BBB, but got curious in the meantime if this is possible at all.
[08:20:23] <av500> it should
[08:20:37] <das> ynezz: translate.google works to bypass my proxy here
[08:21:49] * av500 has nothing but have for all GNU SW
[08:21:57] <av500> make 3.82 is just a fuckup
[08:22:29] <koen> av500: that's putting it mildly
[08:22:43] <av500> did I mention user space needs a Linus?
[08:22:45] <ynezz> das: nice
[08:23:01] * koen spent too much time backporting fixes to 3.82 to make it actually work
[08:23:04] <SpeedEvil> Userspace needs a linus army
[08:23:14] <SpeedEvil> There is way too much userspace for one
[08:23:32] <av500> at least 3.82 can build 3.81
[08:23:57] <Anguel> av500: many thanks again, I will look into this. Every simple MCU with USB supports USB Device CDC, it would be strange if the BBB does not support it :-)
[08:24:08] <suihkulokki> everyone should use bsd make
[08:24:18] <av500> Anguel: the BBB has a usb host and a device port
[08:24:23] <av500> the rest is SW
[08:24:38] <ynezz> av500: what's wrong with 3.82?
[08:24:51] <av500> it breaks exisiting make files
[08:25:26] <ynezz> ah, I see "Pattern search changes"
[08:26:07] <Anguel> av500: you are right about the device port, however I don't have much experience with Linux and didn't know how easy or hard it is to get this to work :-)
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[08:27:00] <mrpackethead> av500: its why using debian is good
[08:27:01] <mrpackethead> :-)
[08:27:04] <mrpackethead> ha ha.
[08:27:09] <av500> ?
[08:27:23] <mrpackethead> using deiban is good.
[08:27:41] <mrpackethead> for no particular reason
[08:27:57] * mrpackethead puts his troll trap away
[08:28:30] <av500> mrpackethead: well, as soon as I read about Debian maintainers hitting the GNU make people over the head with baseball bats I will switch
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[08:34:41] <norbi> hi guys, is there a way to update angstrom from the board itself?
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[08:34:53] <norbi> do i need to reprogramm eMMC
[08:34:55] <norbi> ?
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[08:39:14] <woglinde> norbi try opkg
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[08:42:01] <jpfau> I installed Arch Linux ARM on my BBB's eMMC and I don't seem to be able to: use the USB port for serial or USB Mass Storage anymore (the latter is unsurprising), or adjust the bootargs.
[08:42:36] <Vaizki> but you have access to it now right?
[08:42:51] <jpfau> it = ?
[08:42:59] <norbi> woglinde: what do you mean?
[08:43:02] <Vaizki> you have a shell on the arch linux on BBB
[08:43:08] <jpfau> oh, yes
[08:43:10] <Vaizki> via ethernet or serial ttl cable
[08:43:13] <jpfau> ethernet
[08:43:26] <jpfau> I don't have the serial TTL cable, unfortunately
[08:43:57] <jpfau> if I edit uEnv.txt, it doesn't appear to do anything, but I'm not entirely sure I'm doing it right
[08:44:09] <av500> what would you edit there?
[08:44:16] <av500> to make USB work?
[08:44:16] * jpfau has no real experience with getting U-Boot to do anything out of the ordinary
[08:44:23] <norbi> woglinde: if i do opkg update it will do all the stuff needed?
[08:44:32] <jpfau> I actually want to adjust the HDMI resolution used on boot, too
[08:44:33] <Vaizki> ok one at a time.. to get serial over usb working, you need to load the g_serial module
[08:44:38] <jpfau> my TV doesn't recognize it
[08:45:10] <Vaizki> modprobe g_serial
[08:45:13] <Vaizki> should do it
[08:45:20] <jpfau> I have to reboot my device because it doesn't have enough power to do HDMI right now (I need a power adapter too) but I'll do that when it comes back up
[08:45:52] <Vaizki> and to have g_serial load at boot create a file in /etc/modules-load.d/ for it
[08:46:17] <jpfau> ah that did something
[08:46:26] <Vaizki> dmesg will show you what the device is
[08:46:45] <Vaizki> as in /dev/ttysomething
[08:47:00] <jpfau> yeah, I know some of what I'm doing, but not some of the specifics
[08:47:04] <Vaizki> now if you want to log in on it also, you need to run getty on it
[08:47:06] <norbi> as i can read updating packages are eating more space then reflashing the firmware
[08:47:19] <jpfau> I just want to make sure it's working for right now
[08:47:58] <jpfau> yeah, I was able to send a message across
[08:48:00] <Vaizki> I guess the device will be /dev/ttyGS0
[08:48:03] <jpfau> indeed
[08:48:13] <jpfau> on the other end it's ttyACM0, not sure why
[08:48:18] <norbi> is there any reason to upgrade from 3.8.13 r23a. 16 to r23a. 23 ?
[08:48:31] <jpfau> I plugged it into a USB3 port in the hopes it might negotiate a higher power rating, but that was a folly :P
[08:48:59] <jpfau> systemd doesn't do /dev/inittab does it
[08:49:17] <Vaizki> if you used a recent Arch bootloader tarball it should draw more power from USB
[08:49:48] <jpfau> I set this up a few months ago; can I update that without using the eMMC flasher, e.g. in the OS?
[08:50:03] <jpfau> like, will pacman -Syu pick it up?
[08:50:32] <jpfau> or is it a new uImage?
[08:50:33] <Vaizki> you need to do something like: systemctl enable serial-getty@ttyGS0.service
[08:50:42] <Vaizki> no no it's just uEnv.txt
[08:50:55] <Vaizki> and moving to that, you are probably editing /boot/uEnv.txt
[08:51:01] <Vaizki> which is not actually used for booting ;)
[08:51:28] <Vaizki> make sure you edit the uEnv.txt on the mmc's first partition
[08:51:35] <jpfau> I mounted /dev/mmcblk0p1 to /mnt
[08:51:38] <jpfau> and edited that one
[08:51:39] <Vaizki> which is a small FAT16 partition
[08:51:41] <Vaizki> ah ok
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[08:51:45] <Vaizki> pastebin it
[08:52:04] <jpfau> uh, I think my device panicked when I tried to set up the getty
[08:52:11] <Vaizki> what?
[08:52:23] <jpfau> SSH went down and the heartbeat light isn't flashing anymore
[08:52:36] <Vaizki> from running systemctl enable?
[08:52:54] <Vaizki> it shouldn't even start anything, just make a few symlinks
[08:52:57] <Vaizki> .. I think
[08:53:02] <jpfau> Enable did this: "The unit files have no [Install] section. They are not meant to be enabled using systemctl."
[08:53:08] <jpfau> so I did systemctl start to see if that worked
[08:53:12] * Vaizki is not in love with systemd
[08:53:16] <jpfau> me neither
[08:53:16] <Vaizki> hmmm
[08:53:33] <Vaizki> I might have remembered that one wrong, sorry :O
[08:53:53] <jpfau> so long as I have SSH working, the serial terminal is less important
[08:54:16] <KotH> that's a wrong assumption
[08:54:30] <KotH> ssh will fail at the most inconvenient time
[08:54:35] <jpfau> haha fair enough
[08:54:46] <Vaizki> so did it reboot?
[08:55:19] <jpfau> yeah
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[08:56:10] <Vaizki> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html
[08:56:23] <Vaizki> that should help you more than I did :)
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[08:56:46] <Vaizki> though I'm not sure about the Install section.
[08:57:06] <Vaizki> did I make symlinks manually then.. it's been so long
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[08:58:48] <jpfau> here's my uEnv.txt btw: http://pastebin.com/HeQkrTA7
[08:59:20] <jpfau> according to dmesg, though, my bootargs are thus: Kernel command line: console=ttyO0,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc
[09:01:01] <Vaizki> I don't know what that kms_force_mode is
[09:01:18] <jpfau> someone in another channel told me that I should try that, but I didn't have that in there originally
[09:01:23] <jpfau> it used to just be video=
[09:01:32] <jpfau> didn't do anything though, as far as I could tell
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[09:02:07] <Vaizki> I think it needs to be: optargs=video=HDMI-A-1...
[09:02:27] <Vaizki> optargs is used for extra kernel parameters by "normal" uboot environmnets
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[09:03:28] <Vaizki> also the console= line probably won't do anything
[09:03:59] <Vaizki> oh and to have the BBB draw more power over USB, you need to add some I2C magic
[09:04:46] <jpfau> I wouldn't know where to look for that I2C magic, unfortunately
[09:05:28] <Vaizki> sec..
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[09:05:48] <Vaizki> http://pastebin.com/t5Q9M9US
[09:05:53] <Vaizki> see it there on the first line?
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[09:06:16] <Vaizki> write one word (16 bits) to device 0x24 command 1 value 0x3e
[09:07:01] <Vaizki> it will allow the device to draw power up to hmm was it 1A
[09:07:25] <Vaizki> of course if you draw from a PS make sure it has 1A rating.. and if from a computer, your computer may complain and shut down the port
[09:07:59] <Vaizki> but I think the Arch bootloader tarball should have had that uEnv.txt
[09:08:25] <jpfau> ok, let me reboot
[09:08:29] <Vaizki> of course you can just fetch http://archlinuxarm.org/os/omap/BeagleBone-bootloader.tar.gz
[09:08:45] <Vaizki> it will have newest uboot, uEnv.txt and SPL (the MLO file)
[09:09:17] <Vaizki> but I wouldn't upgrade the MLO file
[09:09:20] <jpfau> the i2c command isn't in that tarball
[09:09:31] <jpfau> yeah, I know, you have to write the MLO file as the first file to the partition
[09:09:34] <Vaizki> yeah
[09:09:40] <jpfau> for it to be in the right place
[09:09:47] <Vaizki> so mkfs it and then extract if you do that
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[09:11:17] <jpfau> wow, the scanlines are all corrupted, but at least it shows up at all on my TV now :P
[09:11:28] <jpfau> hey awesome, it works
[09:11:32] <jpfau> but there's terrible overscan
[09:12:27] <jpfau> and I think it's the device's fault, because adjusting any of my monitors just has the same picture, but with pictureboxing
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[09:12:57] <Vaizki> well I have never hooked up HDMI to the BBB so you're on your own (read: google)
[09:13:32] <jpfau> I've tried that before, but not with as much working then as I do now so I'll try a fresh round of googling
[09:13:38] <jpfau> thanks for all your help, though
[09:13:50] <jpfau> Things are working a lot more now than they were
[09:13:55] <Vaizki> oh and there is #archlinux-arm too if you have Arch specific stuff...
[09:14:02] <jpfau> ah, good to know
[09:14:34] <SJFOM> Hi guys, I'm having a problem with the Angstrom OS. Both the pre-installed and updated versions of Angstrom (as of yday) work fine to a point... If it start to type too much into the text editor say or try and run the image editor, the OS will eventually freeze and I have to reset the board each time. I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong here as its nothing out of the ordinary.. Bit of a newbie here..Thanks all!
[09:15:00] <plundra> jpfau: Ddi you start with the tv connected? I *think* it forces the output to 1024x768 if it can not identify the monitor.
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[09:15:49] <jpfau> plundra: historically starting with the monitor attached has yielded no picture at all, but yes
[09:16:16] <jpfau> if I started without the monitor attached, the scanlines appear to be the wrong pitch (or something) and they are all corrupted as a result
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[09:17:49] <Vaizki> I would not hook up a computer of any kind to a HDMI display / tv where you can't disable overscan on the input there and get 1:1 pixel mapping
[09:17:56] <Vaizki> it's just asking for trouble
[09:18:31] <jpfau> so I can adjust the overscan settings on the TV and my monitor, but the picture ends up being pictureboxed, leading me to believe it's just outputting the wrong thing
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[09:20:24] <Vaizki> what resolution are you trying, 640x480?
[09:21:07] <jpfau> yeah
[09:21:14] <Vaizki> because most HDMI televisions - at least older ones - won't really accept anything except HDMI resolutions over a HDMI port
[09:21:46] <jpfau> I mean, it's showing up
[09:21:50] <jpfau> just cut off
[09:21:56] <jpfau> this TV's also from last year
[09:22:02] <jpfau> so it's not *that* old
[09:22:07] <Vaizki> well it should support 1280x720 then?
[09:22:33] <Vaizki> @60
[09:23:18] <jpfau> is that one of the resolutions the BBB supports?
[09:23:30] <Vaizki> yes, it's the normal HDMI 720p resolution
[09:23:51] <Vaizki> but as I said, I never tried it myself :)
[09:23:55] <jpfau> let me try that myself, then
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[09:26:40] <jpfau> that didn't seem to work, but that's probably my TV being funky, let me try SD
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[09:29:26] <jpfau> hmm
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[09:29:46] <hoagieman> Hey anyone know what is wrong with my BBB?
[09:29:55] <hoagieman> I have the ubuntu armhf running on it
[09:30:12] <hoagieman> and when i connect the miniusb between my windows 7 PC and the BBB
[09:30:14] <hoagieman> nothing happens
[09:30:26] <hoagieman> under device manager, not even 'unknonw device'
[09:30:50] <hoagieman> the PC does not detect it what soever
[09:31:02] <hoagieman> the BBB is capable of being powered by the miniusb port though
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[09:31:16] <woglinde> hoagieman you missing some modules or they are not loaded
[09:31:30] <hoagieman> on the ubuntu?
[09:31:33] <woglinde> yes
[09:31:37] <hoagieman> how do you do this?
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[09:31:40] <woglinde> try modprobe g_ether
[09:31:58] <woglinde> I do not have a bbb
[09:32:05] <woglinde> but the problems are generic ones
[09:32:14] <hoagieman> i will try it in a second
[09:32:16] <hoagieman> but before I do
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[09:32:30] <hoagieman> shouldn it atleast just recognize that some USB was plugged in?
[09:32:31] <woglinde> ups sorry
[09:32:35] <woglinde> g_ether was net
[09:32:37] <woglinde> stupid me
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[09:32:57] <hoagieman> 'g_ether was net'
[09:32:57] <hoagieman> ?
[09:33:08] <woglinde> try modprobe g_cdc
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[09:37:14] <hoagieman> woglinde
[09:37:21] <hoagieman> I tried modprobe g_cdc
[09:37:26] <hoagieman> and it had no output
[09:38:17] <hoagieman> ubuntu@ubuntu-armhf:/$ sudo modprobe g_ether FATAL: Error inserting g_ether (/lib/modules/3.8.13-bone20/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_ether.ko): No such device
[09:38:31] <hoagieman> That is what i got fo modprobe g_ether
[09:38:50] <hoagieman> Any idea as to what is going on?
[09:41:02] <hoagieman> Anyone?
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[09:43:13] <hoagieman> Could anyone help me please?
[09:43:28] <keesj_> hoagieman: be nice and have patience !
[09:43:45] <hoagieman> Sorry... :/
[09:44:40] <keesj_> my guess is that the driver you want to load is a composite driver. but it is more of a ubuntu question
[09:45:56] <keesj_> what gadget drivers do you see? (also the error g_ether.ko suggest the kernel knows about that module and therefore propbably your kernel and modules are not in sync
[09:46:42] <hoagieman> how do i check the gadget driver?
[09:47:08] <hoagieman> also i am using the prebuilt image http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
[09:50:36] <keesj_> I don't know ubuntu on arm :P , look at your current kernel version (uname -a) , look for modules (find . / -name "*.ko") . run depmod -a (if that still exists). I don't think you will get much more help here
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[09:51:36] <woglinde> keesj maybee it is build in and he have to tinker with /sys foo to get it activated
[09:52:34] <keesj_> also what does "No such device" really mean in that context.
[09:53:05] <hoagieman> No device is detected at all
[09:53:16] <hoagieman> Its not that the device isnt recognized
[09:53:21] <hoagieman> Its just not detected what soever..
[09:54:27] <keesj_> perhaps dmesg can tell more
[09:55:24] <hoagieman> I will try this
[09:55:26] <hoagieman> thank you
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[10:45:41] <verrochio> hello everyone
[10:45:51] <verrochio> i have a stupid question
[10:46:21] <verrochio> in BBB on the default Angstrom distro, what happened with /etc/network/interfaces file???
[10:48:54] <woglinde> its gone because conman or networkmanager is used?
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[10:53:04] <verrochio> awesome, everything on the internet indicates to the old netcfg
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[10:53:27] <woglinde> for black or for angstroem?
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[10:56:04] <verrochio> thanks
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[10:58:20] <vmayoral> "opkg upgrade" doesn't seem to work, i updated the /etc/opkg/ feeds to eu.feeds.... but still i get the same behaviour, the command returns straight
[10:58:35] <vmayoral> anybody else experiencing this?
[10:59:39] <woglinde> did you run opkg update before
[10:59:41] <woglinde> ?
[10:59:52] <vmayoral> yes
[11:00:09] <woglinde> did it download something?
[11:00:12] <vmayoral> no
[11:00:18] <vmayoral> the command just returns
[11:00:18] <woglinde> otherwise there is maybee nothing to update
[11:00:56] <vmayoral> i already experience this behaviour when the Angstrom feed was being updated, so i wonder if it's the case now
[11:06:16] <koen> if the command returns, you're up to date
[11:07:34] <ant_work> koen: btw any news wrt new narcissus?
[11:08:00] <vmayoral> all right, yeap. I manually downgraded a package and it upgraded it. thanks woglinde and koen
[11:08:09] <verrochio> ok, does anyone know how to use connman on angstrom to auto connect a ppp connection on startup?
[11:08:28] * mru knows how to use pppd
[11:08:39] <verrochio> ppp dials ok
[11:09:05] <mru> is this actual dialup or pppoe/pppoa adsl?
[11:09:16] <verrochio> ppp on 3g modem
[11:09:51] <verrochio> if i run pon sets the connection ok
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[11:10:45] <verrochio> but i do not want to go > set a startup script that runs pon on boot
[11:11:08] <suihkulokki> does anyone make 3g modems with more sane interface than ppp
[11:11:25] <mru> suihkulokki: ppp is not part of the modem
[11:11:28] <verrochio> ppp is fine
[11:11:33] <mru> and ppp is fine
[11:11:54] <verrochio> its easy to config and runs for days without disconnecting
[11:11:57] <mru> suihkulokki: is your issue with ppp or the modem-y bits?
[11:12:33] <verrochio> first you should modeswitch it to get the usb serial interface
[11:13:12] <mru> serial? not acm?
[11:13:46] <suihkulokki> mru: my impression was that ppp is really just between modem and pc, but if that's not the case I'll just shut up
[11:14:10] <mru> ppp is between pc and isp
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[11:14:36] <mru> that link has to use _some_ protocol
[11:16:21] <verrochio> so about the connection manager in angstrom
[11:16:38] <verrochio> anyone knows how to make it start a ppp conection on boot?
[11:18:16] <koen> ant_work: nope :(
[11:18:32] <ant_work> no sponsor$ yet ?
[11:18:41] <verrochio> tried to read the documentation but it's practicly non existent
[11:18:58] <koen> ant_work: contracts is about to get signed, verbal go ahead is there already
[11:19:16] <ant_work> he he.. trust it..err.. do not ;)
[11:20:00] <mru> how would you make an ethernet interface activate on startup?
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[11:41:24] * KotH would sacrifice a virgin bar of chocolate on midnight on a moonless night, deep in the forest, in an unnamed clearing, after the third deer passed by and gave his blessing
[11:41:59] <LetoThe2nd> ... while blasting mot??rhead at full volume.
[11:42:15] <KotH> uhmm.. wouldn't wagner be a better choice?
[11:42:42] <LetoThe2nd> no.
[11:42:52] <KotH> ok, then mot??rhead it is
[11:43:11] <ant_work> mru: if it can count, I did once see an ethernet pci card orthogonally inserted in a slot. Was not activated on startup (if any) probably
[11:43:26] <LetoThe2nd> manowar or rhypsody of fire might yount as wagnerian metal, hence could replace if you don't have any mot??rhead record nearby.
[11:43:38] <KotH> ant_work: how do insert a card orthogonally?
[11:43:47] <ant_work> mabe with an hammer?
[11:43:48] <mru> isn't that the normal way?
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[11:44:55] * KotH doesnt have any mot??rhead, manowar or rhypsody record neaby
[11:45:00] <KotH> wagner on the other hand....
[11:45:41] <LetoThe2nd> fail.
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[11:45:58] * KotH is not a met?lhead
[11:47:45] <ogra_> not even if the metal is chocolate coated ?
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[12:10:08] <vvu> does anybody has a link with a fresh image from a BBB? the one from eMMC?
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[12:12:45] <Ufoguy> Hello everybody
[12:13:23] <Ufoguy> Is nobody here?
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[12:14:40] <KotH> sorry, most people went home for the weekend a couple hours ago
[12:15:03] <mru> we take weekends seriously here
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[12:28:48] <das> you're awfully quiet for a friday
[12:28:52] <das> cscope or ctags ?
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[12:30:42] <vvu|Mobile> how can i make the kernel to always map eMMC to /dev/mmcblk0 and uSD to /dev/mmcblk1. when i boot from ram and no uSD is inserted eMMC is /dev/mmcblk0 and when i have uSD inserted eMMC is /dev/mmcblk1 and uSD is /dev/mmcblk0
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[12:34:22] <KotH> das: cscope for standalone, ctags for vi
[12:36:09] <KotH> vvu|Mobile: that's detection order
[12:36:22] <KotH> vvu|Mobile: i dont know but maybe you can do something with DT
[12:36:34] <KotH> vvu|Mobile: or you can change the kernel code to first detect the emmc
[12:36:45] <vvu|Mobile> mhmhm
[12:36:49] <vvu|Mobile> thx for the tips
[12:36:57] <KotH> vvu|Mobile: alternatively use /dev/disk/by-path/
[12:37:10] <KotH> if you have a modern udev, that is
[12:37:17] <KotH> and the appropriate config
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[12:39:40] <mru> das: etags
[12:40:36] <Vaizki> hmmh.. can a userspace daemon running as root somehow offer a "file" in /proc or /sys?
[12:40:53] <Vaizki> just shoot me down now so I won't bang my head against the wall? :)
[12:41:02] <mru> no
[12:41:05] <Vaizki> thx
[12:42:22] <das> mru: heretic !
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[12:43:02] <narcos> Hey all. Anyone have advice on battery powering our Beagles?
[12:43:09] <narcos> I see there's a cape, but it's kinda ugly.
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[12:45:36] <narcos> I see decent ones on Amazon, e.g: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Trent-iCarrier-IMP120D-chargeable/dp/B004CHMP50/
[12:45:47] <narcos> 3A, 12000mAh
[12:46:18] <narcos> Hm, and I guessI could use one usb port for the bone, and one for the powered hub
[12:46:26] <georgem> Vaizki, mru: Not that it's a good idea but you could probably use FUSE to create a virtual file system and mount it some place off of /proc or /sys
[12:46:48] <mru> that's not how I interpreted the question
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[12:48:55] <georgem> right... directly within sysfs or proc the answer would be no
[12:49:03] <Vaizki> yea I was wondering if there's a way to register virtual file nodes somewhere to offer easy access to my daemon status info
[12:49:20] <Vaizki> so instead of offering a control socket with commands, just offer a file that can be cat'd
[12:49:23] <av500> wow, expensive: http://www.amazon.de/New-Trent-IMP120D-Thunderbolt-Hochgeschwindigkeits-Ladeger%C3%A4t/dp/B004CHMP50
[12:49:26] <mru> you could of course make a driver that allowed creation of such files
[12:49:39] <georgem> yes
[12:49:59] <mru> av500: hmm, charging batteries by thunderbolt should be pretty quick if done literally
[12:50:18] <mru> a device capable of doing this safely would probably be quite expensive
[12:50:37] <narcos> That price looks like 11 thousand Euros??!
[12:50:57] <narcos> Best to buy it from the UK market for ?37 :P
[12:51:09] <mru> it does indeed say 11k
[12:51:15] <mru> but free shipping
[12:51:16] * narcos smells a plan of buying them in the UK and selling them in Germany.
[12:51:18] <mru> bargain
[12:51:26] <narcos> Ah, free shipping, you should've said
[12:51:27] <das> the 37??? one is a special offer to get you hooked
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[12:55:01] <narcos> Would it make sense to plug my mains power into one of those 11k batteries, and then the battery into the Bone?
[12:55:06] <narcos> Is that "bad electronics" ?
[12:56:33] <georgem> Vaizki: If you provide a dbus interface to access the information you could get to it pretty easily from a shell using the gdbus command or from just about any scripting/programming environment (and it would probably piss off mru XD)
[12:56:50] <Vaizki> dbus?!
[12:56:54] <Vaizki> ayeeyeygghgh
[12:57:06] <Vaizki> I thought it was short for DESKTOP bus
[12:57:35] <mru> georgem: or you could just use a unix-domain socket
[12:57:42] <mru> the way god intended
[12:57:52] <ogra_> Vaizki, the kernel has a dbus implementation ... nothing to do with desktop :)
[12:58:11] <ogra_> its just a cheap replacement for sockets
[12:58:13] <KotH> why dbus?
[12:58:25] <ogra_> so use sockets and be happy :0
[12:58:27] <KotH> why in the name of all that is holy and tastes well dbus?
[12:58:27] <mru> Vaizki: it's short for "all your warez are belong to lennart"
[12:58:51] <ogra_> mru, dnus is still independent ... the code just lives in lennarts tree
[12:58:54] <ogra_> *dbus
[12:59:07] <ogra_> like udev
[12:59:20] * mru still happily uses udev-171
[12:59:29] <Vaizki> yea sure unix domain socket is the normal way to go but instead of asking people to write clients or having myself write one that supports all kinds of status commands, was thinking why not expose something like /proc :)
[12:59:37] * KotH still happily uses whatever debian provides
[13:00:10] <mru> KotH: then you too will be a slave to lennart soon enough
[13:00:11] * ogra_ has to implement the lennart shit in ubuntu to work with upstart ... and revert all that mess
[13:00:21] <KotH> mru: that's the moment when i will switch
[13:00:26] * ogra_ is envious ...
[13:00:30] <georgem> Vaizki: thats why you use dbus. because it would take 4 lines of python code to get the status
[13:00:33] <mru> KotH: switch to what though?
[13:00:40] <KotH> mru: gentoo? arch? LFS?
[13:00:41] <mru> it's getting harder to avoid that crap every day
[13:00:50] <mru> it's creeping into gentoo as well
[13:00:54] <KotH> meh!
[13:00:55] * Vaizki wonders if Lennart has the balls of steel or lack of consciousness to actually require use of systemd from udev
[13:00:59] * das likes upstart
[13:01:05] <KotH> mru: what makes people use it?
[13:01:06] <mru> Vaizki: that's his plan
[13:01:10] <mru> he's stated as much
[13:01:14] <Vaizki> I know
[13:01:15] <georgem> You haven't figured it out yet...
[13:01:18] <KotH> mru: i dont know of any real problem it solves
[13:01:22] <the_dude> worst day of my life when i seen the shipped bbb with angstrom and the systemd bullshit
[13:01:22] <georgem> lennart == the borg
[13:01:28] <koen> Vaizki: currently you don't need to use systemd to use udev
[13:01:28] <mru> KotH: nor do I
[13:01:35] <KotH> mru: i can understand, to some extend, the use of dbus. but systemd...?
[13:01:41] <Vaizki> koen: I know that too.
[13:01:43] <mru> koen: that's only a matter of time
[13:01:51] <mru> lennart is on record saying so
[13:02:22] <mru> I can understand the concept of dbus being appealing
[13:02:25] <Vaizki> which is going to mean udev fork
[13:02:29] <mru> but the implementation is dreadful
[13:02:32] <KotH> yeah..
[13:02:33] <Vaizki> I can't see any other way
[13:02:42] <mru> and if frequently has the wrong scope for what you want
[13:02:45] <mru> *it
[13:02:49] <KotH> yeah..
[13:02:59] <KotH> Vaizki: eudev?
[13:03:04] <KotH> Vaizki: that failed from the start
[13:03:12] <mru> that failed for two reasons
[13:03:17] <the_dude> hal
[13:03:19] <mru> 1) the guys doing it were incompetent
[13:03:27] <mru> 2) they were mocked to death by greg kh
[13:03:40] <av500> 2) was possible because of 1)
[13:03:46] <mru> but it was wrong
[13:04:01] <mru> greg mocked the _idea_ of a fork
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[13:04:21] <Vaizki> greg only has as much power as people give him
[13:04:34] <mru> greg has a _lot_ of power
[13:04:38] <georgem> I don't really give a fork
[13:04:58] <mru> georgem: I know they already fucked you in the ass and made you believe you liked it
[13:05:49] <KotH> mru: come on! dont get personal!
[13:05:57] <georgem> try saying that on the lkml :)
[13:06:10] <KotH> mru: he is just one of the majority, who gives a shit about what system he is running
[13:06:18] <KotH> mru: typical win/macos user
[13:06:20] <mru> georgem: I'm not afraid of sarah sharp
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[13:07:22] <das> lol
[13:07:46] <Vaizki> well there will be a fork of udev if it requires systemd
[13:07:54] <Vaizki> no matter what gkh says
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[13:08:30] <Vaizki> because openrc, upstart and redhat guys are not having it?
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[13:08:36] <mru> ah, it's going to be good to work on some proprietary code again
[13:08:36] <the_dude> how wrong would that be ? udev to require systemd ?
[13:08:59] <mru> the_dude: lennart has said it _will_ happen
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[13:09:14] <the_dude> lennart is a stupid troll
[13:09:22] <mru> with a lot of followers
[13:09:34] <mru> lennart is a very, very dangerious person
[13:09:38] <mru> -i
[13:09:45] <Vaizki> lennart thinks udev-systemd marriage is a kludge and he wants them in a monolithic package tightly interwoven
[13:09:46] <the_dude> the time of trolls like icaza, shutleworth and so on has ended
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[13:10:05] <mru> says who?
[13:10:06] <KotH> the_dude: neither of those had as much power as lennart
[13:10:08] <georgem> I really don't have a huge love for all rock star tech but some people insist on keeping their heads up their ass and clinging to ancient technology. If they have better ideas then lennart they should step up to the plate and start innovating.
[13:10:21] <narcos> Hmm @ http://pansenti.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/powering-a-beaglebone-black-with-a-single-cell-li-ion-or-lipo-battery-yes-it-can-be-done-but-there-are-issues/
[13:10:24] <mru> it's not about new vs old
[13:10:32] <narcos> "The power management IC used on the BeagleBone Black (the TPS65217C) has the ability to power the system from a single cell LiPo or Li-ion battery and also has a built-in charger."
[13:10:38] <av500> koen: can we have Sarah Sharp fix musb?
[13:10:41] <av500> http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=137714769606183&w=2
[13:10:45] <mru> it's about not throwing out decades of experience
[13:10:45] <the_dude> mru: said the fact that the mighty ubuntu phone came short
[13:10:53] <KotH> georgem: unix grew and lots of subsystems were replaced because of new needs and better implementations
[13:10:55] <the_dude> and novell got rid of icaza
[13:10:56] <Vaizki> georgem: well we have openrc, upstart, launchd etc.. but everyone uses udev
[13:11:09] <narcos> but no usb
[13:11:10] <koen> av500: I noticed that patch and I suspect it actually fixes some musb issues
[13:11:12] <KotH> georgem: but if you want to replace an old system, you first have to understand why it has evolved that way
[13:11:28] <mru> which lennart refuses to do
[13:11:30] <KotH> georgem: lennart replaces them without this understanding, and that's what upsets people
[13:11:45] <mru> and he doesn't give the replacement time to mature
[13:11:48] <Vaizki> narcos: do you have a question?
[13:12:16] <av500> mru: there is no time to give it time
[13:12:22] <av500> don't you see
[13:12:28] <the_dude> systemd will die without a ecosystem, like ubuntu provided one for upstart
[13:12:45] <av500> yeah, it will wither with fedory
[13:12:46] <av500> yeah, it will wither with fedora
[13:12:46] <av500> and suse
[13:12:46] <the_dude> upstart is now ubuntu only and it will never be more
[13:13:23] <narcos> Vaizki: My general question above was about powering the Beagle from a battery source as a backup, as well as mains. My plan is to buy one of those iPhone type charging batteries, and plug one output into the bone, one into my powered hub, and then plug the mains into the battery charge input.
[13:13:25] <koen> the_dude: and chromeoes
[13:13:30] <narcos> I was wondering if that's the "right way to do it"
[13:13:41] <mru> I think the strategy will be to first make gnome require systemd
[13:13:56] <av500> narcos: its a way
[13:14:02] <the_dude> the trolls combined lol icaza + lennart
[13:14:08] <Vaizki> narcos: if you power it with +5V from a usb "charger" or battery pack yes it will work and yes the host usb on the BBB will also supply power
[13:14:10] <mru> once that is done, they'll insist that since "everybody" needs it anyway, udev might as well depend on it too
[13:14:11] <narcos> I've found a 3A battery - well, it seems one output is 1A, the other 3A - so the hub can have the 3A
[13:14:19] <Vaizki> because you are feeding in 5V which the USB needs
[13:14:35] <KotH> mru: afaik they are already halfway there
[13:14:36] <koen> mru: it already does iirc, logind is a req for gdm
[13:14:43] <narcos> Super, just wanted confirmation, *buys*
[13:14:44] <koen> mru: but I haven't looked at it for a while
[13:14:44] <narcos> ta for the input
[13:14:58] <Vaizki> if you use the PMIC lipo stuff, you are running on a single cell which is +3.6V or so.. and there is no step up converter on board to boost that to +5V
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[13:15:12] <narcos> OK
[13:15:29] <Vaizki> so you will have +3.3v and +1.8v system voltage but not +5V for Vusb
[13:15:57] <narcos> OK, so scrap that then.
[13:16:15] <the_dude> anyone knows why the kali image is not booting on bbb ?
[13:16:40] <narcos> I just wasn't sure if it was normal to plug mains into the battery, then battery into the Beagle. i.e. I thought I might have to switch between the two.
[13:16:41] <woglinde> kali is the new kang?
[13:16:49] <narcos> the_dude: Is there an ARM kali ?
[13:16:49] <the_dude> the new btr
[13:16:56] <the_dude> yes there is
[13:17:04] <narcos> Neat.
[13:17:26] <narcos> The move to Debian was so right.
[13:17:31] <the_dude> since i do not have a serial <> usb i cannot debug
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[13:18:03] <narcos> the_dude: SSH won't run by default with Kali, if that's what you're trying.
[13:18:12] <narcos> Are you providing it with DHCP? Can you ping it?
[13:18:18] <the_dude> no, it is not even booting, nothing via hdmi
[13:18:24] <the_dude> no led lights
[13:19:01] <narcos> Hm, that sounds like hardware
[13:19:10] <norbi> guys, BBB has different filesystem then previous version of beagle, im new in embedded linux, i try to acces the GPIO and i cant find the file in the /sys/devices/platform
[13:19:30] <narcos> the_dude: Did it boot with the default O/S it came with? (Angstrom)
[13:19:36] <the_dude> the image is fine, i can mount the microsd partitions
[13:19:54] <the_dude> narcos: it is running fine under debian mate
[13:20:18] <the_dude> either via microssd either via emmc
[13:20:18] <narcos> the_dude: Sorry, I'm not sure then
[13:20:48] <av500> norbi: yes, it changed
[13:20:56] <narcos> The folks in #kali-linux are pretty helpful though
[13:21:04] <the_dude> ah thanks
[13:23:14] <norbi> av500: i cant find any documentation related to the changes or any free book for this open source system that takes it from A to the Z
[13:23:27] <av500> there is none
[13:24:15] <norbi> av500: then how should i know about how can i start using this thing and learn it? i need to BUY a book for it?
[13:24:37] <av500> check the mailing list
[13:24:47] <norbi> av500: mailing list?
[13:24:52] <av500> yes
[13:27:24] <woglinde> you must subscribe to all linux-kernel mailinglists
[13:27:31] <woglinde> read all mails
[13:27:32] <av500> nonsense
[13:27:38] <av500> there is a beagleboard mailing list
[13:28:13] <av500> even a simple google query like "Beaglebone black GPIO" yields results
[13:28:19] <av500> norbi: ^^^
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[13:33:09] <narcos> Anyone know what Pelican case this is - http://hackaday.com/2013/08/05/def-con-hacking-charities-and-routers/
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[13:34:07] <av500> a yellow one
[13:35:41] <narcos> heh
[13:35:43] <narcos> Thanks
[13:35:46] <av500> np
[13:35:49] <narcos> I think it might be this one - http://www.pelican.com/cases_detail_storm.php?Case=iM2400
[13:36:24] <narcos> Hmm @ "Get quote" for price. I assume that means "too expensive for you, hippie"
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[13:38:44] <KotH> or "we usually dont have any on stock, just ask how many you need and we'll produce them for you"
[13:38:49] <the_dude> btw the logicsupply steel case is awesome for bbb
[13:39:02] <av500> you drive over yours much?
[13:39:18] <KotH> at least twice a day
[13:39:26] <KotH> or he has kids
[13:39:45] <the_dude> worse, very annoyingly curious kittens
[13:39:51] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] CommunistCode opened pull request #57: readme: add CROSS_COMPILE and ARCH flags into kernel make command (3.8...patch-1) http://git.io/rc53nw
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[13:40:05] <KotH> the_dude: nothing that cannot be solved by a 10kV electric fence
[13:40:11] <malcom2073> im2400's are like $100
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[13:40:35] <malcom2073> fwiw, amazon sells them :) That's where I get most of my pelican stuff
[13:40:37] <jackmitchell> koen: I just submitted a small kernel readme patch that I would like you to consider, something that I hit up against when showing a colleague how to build the beaglebone kernel
[13:41:23] <narcos> the_dude: Got a link?
[13:41:30] <malcom2073> And that case looks like a 1500
[13:41:35] <malcom2073> in the defcon picture
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[13:43:47] <the_dude> narcos: https://www.logicsupply.co.uk/cases/mini-pc-cases/bb100/
[13:44:31] <narcos> ta
[13:44:57] <das> jackmitchell: is your doc on github ?
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[13:45:28] <jackmitchell> das: yeah, BeagleGithub picked it up earlier
[13:45:32] <jackmitchell> 14:39:51 - BeagleGithub: [kernel] CommunistCode opened pull request #57: readme: add CROSS_COMPILE and ARCH flags into kernel make command (3.8...patch-1) http://git.io/rc53nw
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[13:48:11] <das> jackmitchell: ah thanks hehe
[13:48:23] <das> right above my nose
[13:48:34] <Defiant> wtf what have they done to Manning
[13:48:35] <narcos> the_dude: Nice. Too bad no room for a USB hub, battery, etc
[13:48:36] <jackmitchell> das: it's almost Friday, you're forgiven
[13:49:27] <das> :)
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[13:59:42] <James_Johnson> member:identifier:defiant she's trans, she was trans before, gov didn't do anything
[13:59:50] <James_Johnson> err Defiant
[14:00:35] <cfo215> Is this the right room for beaglebone BLACK questions?
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[14:01:56] <Defiant> James_Johnson: You sure? First he apologizes and now this?
[14:02:46] <James_Johnson> Defiant her trans status has been known for like 2 years
[14:08:31] <georgem> interesting...
[14:08:52] <mru> I don't see how it's relevant
[14:10:56] <ant_work> btw which is the funny land now allowing 3 kind of sex on the passport ?
[14:11:20] <mru> the iso standard for gender codes has had three options for a long time
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[14:11:52] <georgem> Well... to be blunt... I think after having my male parts chopped off leaking a bunch of private classified documents and spending decades fighting the government wouldn't seem like such a big life change.
[14:12:02] <mru> that's iso 5218 btw
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[14:12:20] <James_Johnson> georgem I don't think she's post-op
[14:12:39] <av500> ka6so-away: ping
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[14:14:09] <ant_work> mru: it's nice there is place for a fourth
[14:14:53] <mru> hmm, there are 4 values defined
[14:14:59] <mru> 0, 1, 2, 9
[14:15:03] <georgem> wtf
[14:15:18] <mru> for not known, male, female, not applicable
[14:15:38] <mru> maybe they left a gap in case more genders are discovered
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[14:16:32] <ant_work> mru: highest, 9 or usually 99 means 'extra' / 'stranger'
[14:17:11] <georgem> any organisms known to have more than genders?
[14:17:27] <mru> the standard is only for humans anyway
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[14:18:18] <av500> 7 is for shape shifters
[14:18:26] <ant_work> afaik 0 is for undecided minors
[14:18:34] <ant_work> (in the scope of law)
[14:18:45] <mru> couldn't it also be used if you simply don't know
[14:18:47] <mru> ?
[14:18:58] <James_Johnson> gender isn't a binary value, it's a spectrum. some people fall between 'male' and 'female'
[14:19:02] <georgem> or don't give a fuck
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[14:19:09] <James_Johnson> (you now know everything I know about gender politics)
[14:19:13] <James_Johnson> (shit is confusing)
[14:19:31] <georgem> make it floating point
[14:19:44] <SpeedEvil> I'd say multidimensional, rather than spectrum - which implies it's 1D
[14:19:56] <SpeedEvil> And not constant.
[14:20:07] <mru> it's only confusing if you try to assign it meaning beyond answer the question "would I go to bed with this person?"
[14:20:16] <SpeedEvil> Quite.
[14:20:57] <av500> shape shifters ftw
[14:21:28] <mru> I swear that girl was prettier last night :)
[14:21:31] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning more 2D - male-female, then 'intensity' - someone can be functionally asexual with no interest in it.
[14:21:51] <James_Johnson> gender != sexual orientation
[14:21:58] <SpeedEvil> Quite
[14:22:07] <SpeedEvil> That's a seperate issue
[14:22:10] <mru> there's a correlation though
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[14:26:15] <KotH> which is weak
[14:26:51] <georgem> hardly
[14:27:09] <KotH> but then again, there are people who construct a causation chain from the correlation between linguistic ability and time a teenager goes to bed to the anthropological development of early humans
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[14:27:46] <KotH> oh.. and people on the internet keep citing that over and over again
[14:27:52] <mru> most people I know self-identify as one of the usual genders and prefer to sleep with the other
[14:27:55] <KotH> mostly in the form of motivational posters
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[14:31:42] <mru> morning mranostay
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[14:35:22] <woglinde> gm mru
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[14:46:39] <mranostay> good morning trolls, friends, enemies, and javascript coders
[14:46:45] <mranostay> hi jkridner
[14:46:53] <jkridner> howdy mranostay
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[14:54:41] <ztahenakos> hello, I was doing some work with my beaglebone black and now the unit doesnt boot. I would like to be able to debug it but I do not have the correct serial debug cable. Is there a way I can connect the beaglebone to a raspberry pi (I have cables so I can link the 2) via serial to debug?
[14:56:01] <jkridner> ztahenakos: you don't happen to have an arduino or something else with a serial port easier to use than an R-Pi, do you?
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[14:56:23] <jkridner> it is possible. The R-Pi serial port can be wired up to the Black's serial header fairly easily....
[14:56:31] <ztahenakos> I do have an arduino uno
[14:57:01] <jkridner> Setting up the Uno will be easier, though it is 5V. Just thought about that it needs a level shifter.
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[14:57:28] <ztahenakos> Thats fine.. I originally connected my pi to my arduino and I had to make a level shifter for that
[14:57:29] <jkridner> k, I guess on second thought the R-Pi might require less gathering of hardware for you.
[14:57:36] <jkridner> oh... perfect.
[14:57:45] <jkridner> why not take the same approach?
[14:57:48] <ztahenakos> yeah, whatever you think is easier, I should have the necessary hardware
[14:57:56] <ztahenakos> its up to you, It doesnt matter to me
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[14:58:50] <cfo215_> Anyone have any success using Yocto to build a Poky image for BBB? I'd love to have your help.
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[15:00:50] <jkridner> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14446840/need-help-using-arduino-r3-as-serial-to-usb-converter-to-program-something
[15:01:27] <jkridner> http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection
[15:01:32] <jkridner> both look pretty simple.
[15:01:49] <ztahenakos> thank you sir, appreciate it
[15:02:07] <jkridner> I've only done it with an Arduino, but I don't know the link to the sketch I used... haven't found it again...
[15:02:31] <ztahenakos> Ill talke a look later, working at the moment.. Ah its ok, if I need to go the arduino route I can probably whip up a sketch that works
[15:02:38] <jkridner> I was able to run the sketch and have the Arduino configured to act as a serial port over USB to the board, which was nice because it was blown into the on-board flash.
[15:04:15] <woglinde> cfo215_ why you need yocto instead of angstroem?
[15:04:35] <ztahenakos> jkridner: so.. looking at this page: http://www.armhf.com/index.php/posts/, would I connect the serial lines from the rpi to where they are on the bottom beaglebone?
[15:04:57] <woglinde> looks like a lot of people from armhf comes here
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[15:05:43] <jkridner> yeah, the board at the bottom of the picture shows the serial debug header.
[15:06:32] <jkridner> of course, the best place to read about the serial debug header is in the SRM.
[15:06:43] * jkridner needs to teach a bot to return google results.
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[15:10:49] <ztahenakos> great! thanks, I should be able to whip something up then so I can figure out how to fix my beaglebone
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[15:12:59] * das checks out new RC to integrate as asked, has tons of new files and not a single README
[15:13:28] <das> where's the 'magic' button on my keyboard ?
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[15:14:51] <mru> data, data everywhere, nor any byte to read </coleridge>
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[15:20:02] <hatguy> jkridner: https://github.com/paullik/IRC-Bot
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[15:25:15] <koen> jackmitchell: thanks, I'll look at it tomorrow
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[15:35:47] <cfo215_> Anyone have a proper /boot for a beaglebone black that works with Yocto-Poky-Linux /rootfs?
[15:36:40] <ztahenakos> Doesnt /boot just contain MLO, u-boot.img, and uEnv.txt? seems like the only thing you could customize is uEnv.txt unless you compiled your own u-boot
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[15:38:38] <cfo215_> yes, yocto compiles u-boot.
[15:39:23] <ztahenakos> ohhh, so, your thinking is maybe your u-boot isnt right? have you tried any debugging steps like viewing the boot over the serial connector to see whats going on
[15:41:58] <cfo215_> ztahenakos, so if I'm understanding you correctly... just copy the generated MLO, uImage, u-boot.bin files to /boot and tweek uEnv.txt for my bbb.
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[15:42:35] <ztahenakos> cfo215_: well, no, I was asking a question.. I dont think you ought to just copy stuff around until you know what the problem is
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[15:43:12] <cfo215_> ztahenakos, problem is it don't boot. stops at "Starting kernel ...'
[15:43:29] <cfo215_> ztahenakos, so it's getting past U-Boot
[15:43:44] <ztahenakos> cfo215_: right.. do you have the kernel uImage in your fs?
[15:45:04] <das> cfo215_: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux
[15:45:19] <woglinde> cfo215_ still I do not understand why you need poky instead of angstroem?
[15:45:56] <cfo215_> ztahenakos, yes I do.
[15:45:57] <ogra_> isnt poky dead and smmelly ?
[15:46:13] * ogra_ thought yocto was the new poky
[15:46:13] <cfo215_> das, I'll look at that thanks.
[15:46:48] <ogra_> oh, i should probably read backlog before babbling
[15:47:14] <jackmitchell> ogra_: yocto is the project, poky is the distro (in high level terms)
[15:47:23] <woglinde> right
[15:47:24] <cfo215_> I really don't care what distro is on it. I need the image to include Qt4 or Qt5 w/o X11 support. I need access to GPIO and Analog pins, and the touch screen (LCD Cape) needs to work with it.
[15:47:43] <woglinde> cfo215_ yes and?
[15:47:43] <koen> cfo215_: angstrom has all that prebuilt already
[15:48:04] <ogra_> jackmitchell, well, pkoy is quite a few years older than yocto ... :)
[15:48:27] <woglinde> ogra yes and?
[15:48:28] <ztahenakos> you could just debootstrap debian wheezy and do that..
[15:48:36] <jackmitchell> ogra_: that's why I mentioned high level terms, you could write a paper on the confusion it causes if you really wanted to :P
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[15:52:15] <cfo215_> koen, I've tried the Angstrom. Can't seem to get the image right though.
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[15:53:32] <ztahenakos> You seriously should just try Debian.. ive never had an issue with it
[15:53:59] <ogra_> jackmitchell, heh, no thanks :)
[15:54:35] <cfo215_> ztahenakos, how easy is it to customize the distribution. I'm building a machine controller.
[15:55:43] <ant_work> cfo215_: maybe you've missed it: Angstrom is also a Yocto Distro, much tailored for beagle*
[15:56:16] <ztahenakos> cfo215_: its not hard, I did it for my Senior Design project for my BS degree.. what I did was I deboot strapped a base system, and then chrooted into it (using qemu-user-static) and modified it as I saw fit from there. then made it into an iso I could flash. This was for the Raspberry Pi, but, in theory, it should be the same process for the bbb, not including any bbb specific things you have to do
[15:56:25] <woglinde> ant_work o.O
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[15:56:39] <woglinde> ant_work the bsp is tailored
[15:56:40] <ztahenakos> You could also just grab the already made debian wheezy image for bbb and then modify it, since you know that one works
[15:57:02] <woglinde> the rest are some options that differ from poky
[15:57:30] <woglinde> ztahenakos debian has qt embedded packages?
[15:58:02] <ztahenakos> woglinde: I couldnt imagine why it wouldnt
[15:58:47] <ztahenakos> But lets say it doesnt, you can easily take them from somewhere else and repackage them into debs
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[15:59:06] <koen> cfo215_: and contrary to poky angstrom actually is yocto compatible, poky isn;'t
[15:59:13] <ant_work> ztahenakos: maybe you don't know it, but Yocto distros are heavily debian-based
[15:59:15] <woglinde_> *sigh*
[15:59:20] <woglinde_> crappy dsl line agaib
[15:59:22] <brimestone> has anyone here dabled with UserSpace and Energia with BBB?
[15:59:36] <ztahenakos> ant_work: I dont know it. I have never heard of Yocto
[15:59:43] <koen> brimestone: we have 2 summer of code students working on it
[15:59:51] <cfo215_> ztahenakos, sounds like no "Greek" i've ever heard. Here's what I'm looking for: $ . oe-environment...; bitbake name-of-image; copy images to SD card; boot BBB.
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[15:59:57] <brimestone> summer? you mean in school?
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[16:00:13] <koen> cfo215_: if you can't get an image recipe right with angstrom, what makes you think you can make it work with poky?
[16:00:13] <ant_work> ztahenakos: forgiven ;)
[16:00:26] <koen> brimestone: https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/
[16:00:29] <woglinde_> cfo215_ right and where excais your problem?
[16:00:31] <woglinde_> args
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[16:00:43] <ztahenakos> ant_work: yeah, I am kind of new to embedded stuff. My real first experience with it was with the Raspberry Pi and making my own flavor of Debian for it.. now im playing with the BBB
[16:00:57] <ztahenakos> cfo215_: I am not familiar with bit-bake
[16:00:58] <mru> welcome to the real world
[16:01:11] <ant_work> heh?
[16:01:18] <ztahenakos> The real world sucks, would rather go back to school world
[16:01:19] <woglinde_> ztahenakos uhm you can run yocto based distro on desktops too
[16:01:39] <woglinde_> so you might have a false view of embedded
[16:01:45] <ztahenakos> woglinde_: ah, well, in either case, Ive never heard of yocto
[16:01:54] <cfo215_> koen, I've built the image for poky, I've currently working on trimming down the Angstrom local.conf and bblayers.conf since I don't need a lot of what's there (I think). I'm sorry I'm such a newb but I'm just trying to get some help and am very frustrated at this point.
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[16:01:58] <ztahenakos> I dont really have any view of embedded, as Ive said I am a new guy to it
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[16:02:29] <koen> cfo215_: what the fuck are you touching local.conf and bblayers.conf for?
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[16:02:35] <koen> cfo215_: you only need a custom image recipe
[16:02:37] <ant_work> ^_^
[16:02:45] <woglinde_> koen is in good mood
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[16:02:51] <LetoThe2nd> koen: s/fuck/f??ck/g to make it more evil
[16:03:07] <brimestone> koen: which is it under on?
[16:03:39] <koen> LetoThe2nd: we had this at the festival (Karaoke bar): http://www.sannelith.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lowlandsdag2.jpg
[16:03:39] <anujdeshpande> what tiny projects could be done using BBB in a 3 hour workshop ? crowd consists of seasoned programmers who are new to the open h/w world
[16:03:42] <cfo215_> koen, ok. I added my own layer, to include phidget library in build.
[16:03:56] <LetoThe2nd> koen: sweeeeet!
[16:03:58] <SpeedEvil> anujdeshpande: motion detecting camera
[16:04:12] <woglinde> SpeedEvil ieehks that means opencv
[16:04:18] <das> in the cloud
[16:04:20] <LetoThe2nd> koen: kind of feels like home.
[16:04:22] <woglinde> thats not 3 hours
[16:04:22] <cfo215_> koen, and added ${TOPDIR}/sources/meta-qt5 \ to my BBlayers
[16:04:25] <koen> brimestone: have a look at http://elinux.org/Userspace_Arduino
[16:04:27] <SpeedEvil> woglinde: naah
[16:04:30] <SpeedEvil> woglinde: 'motion'
[16:04:38] <woglinde> cfo215_ qt5 is not ready yet
[16:04:45] <anujdeshpande> opencv might take up too much time..
[16:05:09] <woglinde> SpeedEvil hm ah you mean only driving the motor
[16:05:13] <koen> qt5 is in the "I compiled it, but it doesn't work" stage
[16:05:15] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:05:30] <cfo215_> wonderfull, I'l take qt4. Don't give a shit at the moment. I'd just like to have my BBB booting into any operating system, and running my QT front end with the LCD 7 touchscreen.
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[16:06:02] <cfo215_> It should also play well with GPIO and analog signals
[16:06:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome
[16:06:11] <woglinde> cfo215_ why not boot the base image and install the qt embedded packages via opkg?
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[16:07:12] <anujdeshpande> SpeedEvil: looks good. thanks !
[16:07:13] <cfo215_> woglinde, Because when I'm done, I need to be able to load it onto hundreds of machines. I really don't want to use opkg. Id rather just have it in the build.
[16:07:24] <anujdeshpande> any other ideas #beagle ?
[16:07:46] <woglinde> cfo215_ you could use dd
[16:08:00] <woglinde> to get it of your working board
[16:08:17] <cfo215_> woglinde, yeah, true that.
[16:08:18] <woglinde> otherwise find out how to include qte packages into an image
[16:08:23] <woglinde> it is not very hard
[16:08:38] <cfo215_> I know how to do that... modify bblayers and local conf files.
[16:09:11] <jkridner> this looks super-cool (BeagleBone Black based): http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sky-drone-fpv
[16:09:28] <jkridner> first person flying anywhere there is 3G.
[16:10:04] <woglinde> cfo215_ wrong
[16:10:25] <woglinde> cfo215_ btw. you might need https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_recipe_for_a_Qt_application
[16:10:33] <cfo215_> woglinde, enlighten me then.. so I can get this sucker finished today.
[16:10:43] <woglinde> cfo215_ edit the image
[16:11:02] <anujdeshpande> jkridner: local hackerspace is doing exact same thing :) will post pics soon
[16:11:23] <woglinde> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Minimal_Image
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[16:11:43] <woglinde> hi effem
[16:11:55] <eFfeM> hey woglinde, how are you ?
[16:12:19] <woglinde> effem okay
[16:12:41] <eFfeM> great
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[16:13:19] <jkridner> anujdeshpande: cool. doing a kickstarter/indiegogo?
[16:13:59] <cfo215_> woglinde, thanks, I'll have a look
[16:14:25] <anujdeshpande> jkridner: not really. it's just a fun thing that we are doing here : http://www.meetup.com/The-Internet-of-Things/
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[16:17:00] <woglinde> jkridner uhm uhm the telcos will shut it down or depending on your internetplan you will have 64kb after one day
[16:17:51] <cfo215_> koen, could you please look at my configs to see if I created them properly? http://pastebin.com/5zS7PuU9
[16:18:22] <koen> cfo215_: you need an image recipe, stay away from local.conf
[16:19:36] <cfo215_> koen, I guess I'm miss a lot then. Where do i make an image recipe? I've been trying to follow the OE/Yocto docs and that's where they put stuff in their examples.
[16:20:14] <ka6sox> poky strikes again
[16:20:32] <cfo215_> koen, my core-image-minimal succeeded with my changes.
[16:20:58] <mranostay> ka6sox: want me to go poke a poky engineers?
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[16:25:44] <das> I should get a raise
[16:28:58] <mranostay> das: NO RAISE FOR YOU!
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[16:31:01] <woglinde> das so it means you are the local regexp expert too
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[16:32:12] <das> on top of being the partitioning and filesystem problem expert as well
[16:32:38] <das> and this even though I have only a very litmited understanding of it all
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[16:47:58] <goge> how to most people connect sensors to their boards? wire a male header to a perfboard and connect the header to the bone? create a shield that had male headers? option C?
[16:48:44] <goge> anyone have photos of their setup?
[16:48:57] <mranostay> shield?
[16:49:22] <agmlego> s/shield/cape/
[16:49:23] <agmlego> FTFY
[16:49:32] <anujdeshpande> goge: you could try that protocape from adafruit
[16:49:35] <goge> there isn't enough room on the adafruit protoboard shield for the 4 4pin connectors and 5 3pin connectors
[16:50:36] <anujdeshpande> that's a shame.. option b sounds good then
[16:50:48] <goge> so I put two male pin headers on the shield which I'm going to connect to a separate protoboard through female header wires
[16:51:43] <goge> but could I have just skipped the protoshield and wired up some male headers on a connection cable soldered to the seperate proto board?
[16:52:28] <goge> I'm not sure what the convention is with male/female headers on boards and cables.
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[16:54:39] <mranostay> mru: did that quotes database always exist?
[16:55:19] <agmlego> goge: About the same as in the world at large--avoid having a source on male pins, but otherwise, no convention.
[16:55:34] <goge> lol
[16:56:58] <goge> voltage is being supplied from a separate source then the bbb so the pins are digital io, analog o, analog i
[16:57:22] <goge> hmm analog out is kinda source/voltage. does that matter?
[17:00:51] <mru> mranostay: yes
[17:01:28] <agmlego> goge: Not that much. Just avoid plugging/unplugging live.
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[17:38:52] <SilicaGel> so what's a cheap but reliable wifi usb adapter for the beaglebone
[17:39:07] <SilicaGel> i'm assuming usb is the way to go, based on the horror show that is the TiWi
[17:39:42] <SilicaGel> I think I'm going to make a PRU program to talk to my GE Color Effects lights
[17:41:00] <mru> cheap, reliable, usb, pick two
[17:41:53] <mru> atheros wifi seems reliable
[17:45:22] * mranostay munchs on some SilicaGel cereal
[17:46:11] <SilicaGel> so i should find a dongle with an atheros chip in it, htm
[17:46:16] <SilicaGel> yeah i know that about usb haha
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[17:53:51] <cfo215_> Angstrom bb build, MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake console-image, doesn't seem to include touch screen support. How do I include that?
[17:54:22] <cfo215_> sorry for BBB with LCD7 cape.
[17:55:37] <cfo215_> or is that something I need to add to uEnv.txt in /boot
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[17:58:53] <woglinde> cfo215 did you read http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=BeagleBone_LCD7 ?
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[18:06:13] <cfo215_> woglinde, reading now...
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[18:57:45] <brimestone> i need help with Userspace-Arduino.. i have no idea on how to run the example..
[18:58:01] <brimestone> should i "make" them inside the BBB.. or upload them via the energia IDE?
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[19:21:57] <dnai23> hi, is there another way to flash the beaglebone-flash directly via USB?
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[19:25:56] <woglinde> dnai23 hm I think u-boot dfu implementation does not support the black yet
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[19:52:14] <honestly> Hello. I have ten beagleboards that are running continuously. With most of them, the ethernet just stops working after a few hours. I would paste some dmesg output if I had any, but all I have right now is that the connectivity/traffic LEDs go blank, and eth0 vanishes. Is that a known problem? Is there a fix?
[19:53:41] <nomel> what beagleboard is it? there's a bunch.
[19:54:37] <agmlego> What OS? What physical environment? What are they doing when it happens?
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[19:55:06] <agmlego> What is different between the ones you see tyhe failure on and the ones you do not?
[19:55:27] <nomel> i'm sure he's curious about that last one too.
[19:56:00] <agmlego> How are they all powered?
[19:56:28] <nomel> agmlego: it's annoying when people do what you're doing you know.
[19:56:29] <agmlego> Is it alwasy the same amount of time before it stops, or is it random?
[19:56:48] <agmlego> nomel: Eh?
[19:57:31] <honestly> sorry, beagleboard xM, running ubuntu 12.04, kernel 3.4.5-x1
[19:58:00] <honestly> they're all powered by ac wall warts
[19:58:15] <honestly> it appears to be a random time
[19:58:15] <mranostay> what rev?
[19:58:30] <honestly> mranostay: can I find that out via ssh?
[19:58:53] <mranostay> look at the sticker
[19:59:34] <honestly> oh, I actually have one that should be the same revision here
[19:59:36] <honestly> lemme check
[20:00:11] <honestly> 5211xM199
[20:00:21] <honestly> is that what the sticker you wanted?
[20:01:14] * nomel looks at his beaglebone and only see the my little pony sticker he pasted on.
[20:01:42] <honestly> there is a sticker onthe component side that say "C1"
[20:02:03] <woglinde> c1 than
[20:02:44] <woglinde> honestly you proably need a newer kernel where usb stuff is more stable
[20:02:53] <woglinde> ethernet is connected via usb
[20:03:02] <honestly> aware
[20:03:04] <honestly> oh
[20:03:16] <honestly> and the micro-usb runs off a different core than the usb and ethernet, doesn't it?
[20:03:38] <woglinde> hm?
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[20:04:19] <honestly> well when the ethernet crashes, the micro-usb still works
[20:05:27] <woglinde> than pastebin the dmesg output
[20:06:08] <honestly> I'll do that tomorrow when I can get to the boards
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[20:12:50] <_SY_> hello
[20:13:26] <woglinde> yes
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[20:15:08] <mru> my xm is rock-solid
[20:15:26] <mru> with kernel 3.0
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[20:19:18] <woglinde> mru okay
[20:19:29] <woglinde> so usb got unstable with 3.4
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[20:29:43] <woglinde> hm looks like 3.4 is latest kernel working with sgx
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[20:49:21] <brimestone> hey guys.. will the johnny-five node module work with BBB?
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[21:20:58] <mrpackethead> any us-travellers about
[21:21:05] * mru waves
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[21:22:56] <mrpackethead> Las Vegas - Vancover and Calgary - Orlando
[21:23:09] <mrpackethead> mostly likely have to transit via somewhere?
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[21:30:20] <djlewis> we have the arkansas travellers baseball team here in North Little Rock ;)
[21:31:52] <mranostay> mrpackethead: transit? US?
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[21:32:12] <mranostay> mass transit?
[21:34:04] <mrpackethead> shutup
[21:35:22] <mrpackethead> is ther any licenced wifi bands?
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[21:36:24] <ka6sox> yes
[21:36:26] <ka6sox> 3.6Ghz
[21:41:20] <mrpackethead> is there much avaialblity of gear for the 3.6Ghz band?
[21:42:31] <ka6sox> some
[21:42:41] <ka6sox> its not like 5.8
[21:42:46] <ka6sox> but ubiquity has some
[21:42:49] <ka6sox> and I'm sure others
[21:43:00] <mrpackethead> i've got to decide if we can get away with unlicenced
[21:43:19] <mrpackethead> and got to see if we can get "multicast" over wifi
[21:43:36] <ka6sox> I ownzer your display :P
[21:43:42] <ka6sox> make it say what I want...
[21:43:44] <ka6sox> he he
[21:43:51] <SpeedEvil> Well - multicaset is basically what ad-hoc networking is
[21:44:31] <mrpackethead> i have to look to see if multicast is actually goign to help
[21:44:37] <mrpackethead> or if we can jsut do everything in unicast
[21:44:42] <mrpackethead> or it might be a combinaton
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[21:53:58] <mranostay> does the FCC have AR-15s like the IRS?
[21:54:38] <mrpackethead> Another option.
[21:54:47] <mrpackethead> how small can a narrowband uhf receiver be
[21:54:56] <mrpackethead> and still remain useful
[21:55:36] <georgem_home> probably. and the probably come shoot you if you modify anything to do with the radio in your phone
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[21:56:38] <SpeedEvil> Define useful
[21:56:49] <SpeedEvil> 1cm^3 is quite achievable
[21:58:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/product/cc1100e - for example
[21:58:43] <mrpackethead> i need to acheive about 1 mile range
[21:59:09] <mrpackethead> i think teh UHF transmitter can sit in teh ISM band
[21:59:14] <mrpackethead> it only needs to be 1 way
[21:59:37] <mrpackethead> i guess the antenna becomes the big issue
[21:59:39] <mranostay> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
[21:59:59] <mru> rule #3
[22:01:00] <mrpackethead> mru. thanks.
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[22:01:35] <mrpackethead> usefulness(#beagle) > usefulness(google)
[22:01:38] <mranostay> mru: it is starting to scare me i can reference 26+26 like 5 times a day here :)
[22:02:16] <mrpackethead> usefulness is only very loosely defined
[22:02:32] <mrpackethead> i ordered 4 differnet wifi usb dongles
[22:02:44] <mranostay> different sizes?
[22:02:44] <mrpackethead> and i'm going to have a play and see how well they work
[22:02:53] <mrpackethead> differnet brands
[22:03:01] <mru> entertainment is useful
[22:03:08] <mrpackethead> one has an stub antenna
[22:03:15] <mranostay> that isn't nice
[22:03:20] <mrpackethead> a couple are those nano ones with no antenna
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[22:06:12] <djlewis> work well next to router
[22:09:09] <SpeedEvil> What for.
[22:09:28] <SpeedEvil> Over in #highaltitude - we're playing with 433/10mW and getting 500km+ range
[22:13:28] <djlewis> wifi dongles near the floor behind a metal chassis do not do well for range.
[22:14:19] <djlewis> then we have the interfering walls, ceilings, floors, other objects and bodies in the signal path.
[22:15:50] <djlewis> SpeedEvil: telemetry?
[22:16:16] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[22:16:23] <SpeedEvil> 50bps FSK GPS
[22:16:41] <djlewis> apples and oranges
[22:16:45] <SpeedEvil> Line of sight is awesome
[22:16:48] <SpeedEvil> Quite.
[22:16:58] <mru> shannon's theorem is awesome
[22:17:06] <SpeedEvil> I don't know what mrpackethead is trying to do.
[22:17:12] <SpeedEvil> I maybe need to read backscroll
[22:18:02] <djlewis> yeah, it is a little vague
[22:18:24] <mru> heh, seen in a french text: un limerick (po??me humoristique anglophone)
[22:18:35] <djlewis> I read the mention of uhf but went straight to microwave
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[22:42:46] <ds2> Russ: it is definitely the resume side problem. suspend -> about 98% drop in power usage. attempt to resume brings it back to 25% power usage (100% = value presuspend)
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[22:55:08] <mru> http://youtu.be/FG1NrQYXjLU
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[23:26:57] <georgem_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc
[23:27:32] <mru> same idea
[23:31:44] <georgem_home> haha, got my new phone for $15. it has a touch screen but its sooo low resolution that the soft keyboard only has old style numerical text entry
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[23:32:31] <mru> why did you get such a shitty phone?
[23:32:50] <georgem_home> because im a cheap ass bastard
[23:33:06] * mranostay thinks bradfa has been topped
[23:33:14] <georgem_home> $99 for phone + one year of service
[23:34:13] <ds2> unlimited phone usage?
[23:34:53] <georgem_home> no. I'm in front of a linux box most of the time when I'm not sleeping so why would I pay for something like that when I have broadband internet access
[23:35:09] <mru> I currently have 800 minutes left of 300
[23:35:17] <mru> no, I don't get it either
[23:35:24] <georgem_home> 800 of 300
[23:35:59] <georgem_home> ?
[23:36:02] <mru> exactly
[23:36:28] <mru> I rarely use more than 20 minutes anyway
[23:36:34] <georgem_home> me either
[23:36:46] <mru> 300 is the lowest you can get
[23:38:03] <mru> most of my bills tend to be roaming crap
[23:41:25] <georgem_home> mine is prepaid through a ghetto carrier called tracfone. you can't get any android phones through them and they all have custom firmware so you can't get an android phone on to their service at least without committing a felony.
[23:42:04] <georgem_home> uses AT&T network so coverage is quite good
[23:42:58] <georgem_home> oops. typing fail
[23:43:51] * mru would not use such a carrier
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[23:45:24] <ds2> at&t network coverage sucks
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[23:45:51] <mru> american cell networks suck
[23:45:51] <ds2> didn't trac phone also roam onto verizon?
[23:45:57] <georgem_home> yeah... I don't like it. but the cheapest alternative is about $40 a month and at 12 months that works out to be about a 480% premium vs what Im paying.
[23:46:24] <mru> I pay ??10 per month
[23:46:29] <mru> that's $16
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[23:46:40] <georgem_home> you're in europe. that doesn't count.
[23:46:42] <ds2> eh?
[23:46:49] <ds2> I pay $10 for 12months
[23:47:07] <georgem_home> $10 for 12 months?
[23:47:08] <mru> the ??10 includes calls, sms, and data
[23:47:14] <ds2> yep
[23:47:31] <georgem_home> what country?
[23:47:39] <ds2> US
[23:48:09] <georgem_home> *does not compute*
[23:48:19] <ds2> trac phone is expensive compared to others
[23:48:26] <georgem_home> what are you using?
[23:48:33] <ds2> TMO prepaid
[23:48:40] <ds2> but I barely use it
[23:48:57] <mru> what does it cost to use it?
[23:49:03] <ds2> $0.25/min
[23:49:21] <mru> and data?
[23:49:24] <ds2> no data
[23:49:28] <georgem_home> thats cool though. no days of service restriction
[23:49:30] <ds2> prepaid data is hard to find in the US
[23:49:39] <georgem_home> didn't know that
[23:49:49] <mru> ds2: so you don't have data?
[23:49:55] <ds2> if you want to use it a bit more, $100 gets you a year on AT&T
[23:50:06] <georgem_home> I have freedom pop. Free 500MiB data per month
[23:50:08] <ds2> mru: no, I have other plans for that..business vs other use
[23:50:25] <georgem_home> http://www.freedompop.com/
[23:50:30] <mru> then we're not comparing equivalents
[23:51:23] <georgem_home> mru: you sound like you're getting a pretty good deal
[23:52:03] <ds2> mru: not saying it is equiv.
[23:52:03] <mru> roaming costs are of course added
[23:52:14] <mru> frequently more than doubles the bill
[23:52:18] <georgem_home> roaming has pretty much gone away here
[23:52:30] <mru> eh, you're not leaving the country
[23:52:36] <georgem_home> oh.............
[23:52:41] <georgem_home> thats a different story
[23:52:52] <ds2> how much of that $16 is taxes?
[23:53:07] <mru> there's 20% VAT
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[23:53:28] <mru> georgem_home: I'm talking about roaming outside the uk
[23:53:50] <mru> they're doing away with roaming within the eu actually
[23:54:17] <mru> that'll be nice
[23:54:22] <georgem_home> mru: ah yeah... using your phone outside of the country is pretty much unthinkable for anyone in the US unless they have an unlocked phone and get a new SIM
[23:54:40] <ds2> mru: does that include places in europe but not in the eu?
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[23:54:53] <mru> I'm not sure exactly what's included
[23:55:00] <mru> it's EU regulations
[23:55:11] <mru> which may or may not include EEA members not in the EU
[23:55:53] <mru> those are approximately switzerland and norway
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[23:57:18] <ds2> where does iceland fall?
[23:57:26] <georgem_home> My wife has a Nexus S and I want to switch it to a different carrier but in doing so I'd be commiting a felony.
[23:58:48] <mru> iceland is not eu
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[23:58:56] <mru> probably part of something or other though
[23:59:02] <mru> but I never go there anyway
[23:59:25] <SpeedEvil> georgem_home: Phone your carrier, and ask to unlock it
[23:59:43] <mru> why do you buy locked phones?