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  • [00:38:20] <pru_evtout_2> holly poopoo
  • [00:38:34] <pru_evtout_2> got new beaglebone image, opkg list-upgradable, NOTHING.
  • [00:38:37] <pru_evtout_2> :D
  • [00:38:45] <pru_evtout_2> holy
  • [00:38:47] <pru_evtout_2> I suck.
  • [00:38:59] <pru_evtout_2> although, the first could technically exist.
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  • [02:49:55] <ds2> @#%#$@$#@#@$#@#$#$#%#$ PM on the BBB
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  • [02:50:42] <ka6sox> ds2, don't hold back...*please* tell us what you think about Power Manglement on the BBB
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  • [02:53:36] <ds2> guess I can jtag it
  • [02:55:55] * mranostay hugs ds2 and ka6sox
  • [02:57:35] <ka6sox> mourning mranostay
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  • [02:59:21] <mranostay> ka6sox: hey big guy
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  • [03:22:01] <mrpackethead> bing bing bing
  • [03:23:01] <ka6sox> richocet rabbit
  • [03:27:45] <mrpackethead> whast up ka6sox
  • [03:30:35] <billybob1> heya mrpackethead, ka6sox, how you both doing ?
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  • [03:30:51] <billybob1> oh hmmm
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  • [03:32:09] <m_billybob> groups been depressing the last couple of days.
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  • [03:40:59] <lolsborn> are there fixes for usb / ethernet hot-plug issues?
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  • [04:07:40] <juul> is there a way to install a new OS on the built in beagle board black flash memory without owning an sd card?
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  • [04:08:12] <juul> *beagle bone black
  • [04:08:30] <m_billybob> Tecnically yes, but it would involve using a USB hard drive or flash drive
  • [04:08:50] <m_billybob> whcih would need to contain am image and boot media
  • [04:08:56] <m_billybob> an image*
  • [04:09:01] <m_billybob> bootable*
  • [04:09:07] <juul> ok
  • [04:09:18] <juul> what about tftp?
  • [04:09:20] <m_billybob> juul, any particular distro in mind ?
  • [04:09:27] <m_billybob> you can boottftp too
  • [04:09:31] <juul> yeah debian!
  • [04:09:37] <m_billybob> its what i do now
  • [04:09:52] <m_billybob> i been Robert Nelsons kernel
  • [04:09:55] <m_billybob> boot*
  • [04:10:03] * m_billybob cant type to save his life tonight
  • [04:10:21] <m_billybob> I boot both USB and TFTP/NFS rootfs
  • [04:11:16] <m_billybob> juul, however this most certainly will involve either gettign everything exactly right the first time or the need for a serial debug interface
  • [04:12:10] <m_billybob> juul -> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/debian-tips/beaglebone-black/beaglebone-black-usb-boot/ i also have a guide for setting up tftp etc too on the same home site
  • [04:12:10] <juul> oh? i'd expect uboot tftp server to work even if the bootable partition is borked
  • [04:12:57] <m_billybob> well, so lets say you get your uEnv.txt just one parameter wrong. what are you going ot do then ? since you have no sd card . . . that would involve tappign into uboot *somehow*
  • [04:13:38] <juul> ah
  • [04:13:40] <m_billybob> the only way i can think of right now would be the serial debug interface
  • [04:13:57] <m_billybob> or using a sdcard
  • [04:13:58] <juul> i was expecting that I'd just hold down a button while booting and it'd go into "send me a file and i'll flash it" tftp mode
  • [04:14:05] <juul> like some routers
  • [04:14:19] <m_billybob> no no, you can setup an sdcard to avoid that too. pressing S2
  • [04:14:28] <juul> hm
  • [04:14:39] <m_billybob> no need as long as you have a properly setup uEnv.txt file
  • [04:14:46] <juul> hm
  • [04:15:40] <m_billybob> you can read the guides i have there, but personally i think i did a better job on the USB booting guide for the purpose if "instructing" how everything works
  • [04:16:15] <juul> ok cool, thanks!
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  • [04:17:19] <m_billybob> no problem.
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  • [04:26:11] <m_billybob> you're late
  • [04:26:15] <m_billybob> !
  • [04:26:55] <m_billybob> hi mranostay :)
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  • [04:54:33] <mranostay> m_billybob: bad as you with Molson's
  • [04:54:52] <m_billybob> killians and yeah im glad their history now
  • [04:54:57] <m_billybob> they're*
  • [04:55:05] <m_billybob> hoppy, and dark
  • [04:55:09] <m_billybob> yuck
  • [04:56:23] <mranostay> m_billybob: killians doesn't exist anymore?
  • [04:56:40] <m_billybob> not the 36 we had, they're long gone lol
  • [04:57:20] <m_billybob> now workign on a "lesser" brand 30 pack that tastes better and is also nearly gone
  • [04:57:29] <mranostay> m_billybob: two beers i cannot drink again
  • [04:57:34] <mranostay> Rolling Rock
  • [04:57:51] <mranostay> and Sam Adam's Cherry Wheat
  • [04:58:25] <m_billybob> im "ok" with rolling rock, but i still prefer a good dry beer, but no one really makes a decent dry beer anymore
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  • [04:58:39] <m_billybob> so i usually just drinks whats plopped down in front of me
  • [04:58:58] <m_billybob> if im not paying who am i to complain right
  • [04:59:56] <mranostay> m_billybob: yeah but i saw those at a party i'd be not drinking
  • [05:00:06] <mranostay> hell i'd drink budlight
  • [05:00:35] <m_billybob> mranostay make sure its cold . . . and just chug . . . bring cheese if that helps. its the buzz we're after right ? ;)
  • [05:00:59] <m_billybob> cheese meaning take a bit of cheese after each chug
  • [05:01:06] <m_billybob> bite*
  • [05:01:10] <mranostay> m_billybob: yeah but i've made decent money never to go for the cheap stuff :)
  • [05:01:14] <m_billybob> kills the nasty taste
  • [05:01:53] * mranostay would love to know how much he has spent at bars and liquor stores in the last 6 years :)
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  • [05:02:09] <m_billybob> lately ive ben in no position to buy so yeah . . . i dotn have that luxory right now
  • [05:02:45] <m_billybob> ive i buy i find the best german like weissen to drink
  • [05:02:50] <m_billybob> if i buy*
  • [05:03:03] <m_billybob> weiss bier ftw
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  • [05:03:20] <mranostay> yeah this weekend was so forgetable
  • [05:03:22] <m_billybob> or wine
  • [05:03:33] <mranostay> as in i was out till 4a on Friday and Saturday
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  • [05:04:05] <m_billybob> heh
  • [05:04:21] <m_billybob> 4am and im almost ready to wake up
  • [05:04:31] <m_billybob> 4:30-5am
  • [05:04:46] <mranostay> m_billybob: being in the university district has its perks
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  • [05:05:25] <m_billybob> yeah and i hear ya, when i was in my mid 20's i was doing that whole thing too. hell sometimes i didnt sleep at all before work
  • [05:05:44] <m_billybob> i didnt sit at a desk though
  • [05:10:07] <m_billybob> mranostay have a good one, im about to hit it. dont stay up too late ;)
  • [05:10:32] <mranostay> yeah have scrum training all day tomorrow so i shoulnd't
  • [05:10:41] <mranostay> big company bull shit
  • [05:10:50] * m_billybob nods
  • [05:10:55] <m_billybob> g'night
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  • [05:19:34] <mrpacket_> why you throwing stuff at me
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  • [05:24:20] <_av500_> mrpacket_: kids these days
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  • [05:24:41] <mrpacket_> 84,000 components to solder
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  • [05:25:02] <mrpacket_> should take about 12-14 hours
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  • [05:26:22] <mranostay> mrpacket_: chinese slave labour? :P
  • [05:29:04] <mrpacket_> Mr Juki
  • [05:30:36] <mrpacket_> Mr Juki is only little.
  • [05:31:02] <mrpacket_> rated at 15kpph, but the reality is somehwat less
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  • [05:58:23] <mranostay> mrpacket_: rated favorably i take
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  • [06:00:52] <mrpacket_> the rating is the maxium
  • [06:00:59] <mrpacket_> but its almost impossible ( is imoposible )
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  • [06:10:14] <mranostay> mrpacket_: laying resistors in perfect row? :)
  • [06:13:08] <ka6sox> Lesson #1 don't talk to the users when doing a design...they will bust your pre-conceived notions all to hell and back.
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  • [06:21:26] <mranostay> ka6sox: need a hug?
  • [06:23:05] <ka6sox> I need this migraine to go away
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  • [06:24:28] <mrpackethead> http://www.inc.com/kevin-daum/10-things-really-amazing-bosses-do.html
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  • [06:26:45] <ka6sox> kitty yes, hello kitty...just NO
  • [06:28:40] <mranostay> ka6sox: hello kitty all things!
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  • [06:51:18] <KotH> KITTY JIHAD!
  • [06:54:35] <mranostay> +!
  • [06:54:38] <mranostay> +1 even
  • [06:56:51] <KotH> http://www.kittyhell.com/2009/08/21/hello-kitty-jihadist-plush-hello-kitty-suicide-bomber-5-extra/
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  • [08:16:52] <Asim> hello I need help regardinh the Rev C of Beagle Board-xM
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  • [08:18:03] <Asim> my code works fine on Rev B of BB-xM but when i run it on BB rev C it says the following
  • [08:18:05] <Asim> http://postimg.org/image/9amewdn49/#!
  • [08:18:22] <Asim> pls see the last 4-5 lines in the screen shot image
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  • [09:22:00] <sukesh> hi
  • [09:24:44] <KotH> greetings mortal, how may we abuse you today?
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  • [09:31:34] <sukesh> hi sir
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  • [09:32:36] <sukesh> hello sucker
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  • [09:32:51] <sukesh> sorry
  • [09:32:56] <KotH> o_0
  • [09:33:12] <KotH> you should work on your language
  • [09:33:32] <sukesh> i have beagle black boaard i need kernal source for that
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  • [09:34:55] <sukesh> could you provide link for kernsl source
  • [09:35:07] <sukesh> 2.8
  • [09:35:11] <sukesh> 3.8
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  • [09:35:32] <sukesh> kernel 3.8
  • [09:35:45] <KotH> git://github.com/beagleboard/kernel.git
  • [09:35:55] <KotH> would have taken you 2min of googling
  • [09:36:08] <sukesh> yes
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  • [09:38:02] <sukesh> is it 3.8 or other kernel version
  • [09:38:08] <narcos> Or one minute of KotHing
  • [09:39:29] <sukesh> r u there ?
  • [09:40:27] <das> "target lost"
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  • [09:40:42] <sukesh> which target ?
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  • [09:42:40] <sukesh> hi
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  • [09:44:27] <sukesh> i beagle board black which kernal source r u using it is linux 3.2 or 3.8
  • [09:45:28] <KotH> anyone here who knows how to set up eclipse for gdb+openocd? i'm lost in all those hundreds of howtos that do not work. any pointer how that is supposed to work so i can figuring out myself would be fine
  • [09:50:03] <sukesh> i cant get u
  • [09:51:32] <KotH> sukesh: modified koen rule #3: check it
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  • [10:09:09] <woglinde> koth ping
  • [10:09:17] * KotH pongs
  • [10:09:22] <woglinde> koth gdb is easy
  • [10:09:26] <woglinde> in eclipse
  • [10:09:52] <KotH> hmm...
  • [10:09:56] <woglinde> just install c/c++ tools
  • [10:10:05] <woglinde> and you have gdb debug option
  • [10:10:06] <KotH> maybe i should try first a non-cross compile application
  • [10:10:17] <mru> eclipse... easy... does not compute
  • [10:10:30] <woglinde> second you can install cmake/autotools support
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  • [10:10:39] <woglinde> mru it is easy with marketplace
  • [10:10:50] <mru> wtf
  • [10:10:54] <woglinde> 4.2 is running nice
  • [10:11:34] <woglinde> koth but you need openocd for jtagging right?
  • [10:11:38] <KotH> yes
  • [10:11:56] <KotH> there are dozens of howtos on the net how to do that, but none works with 4.2
  • [10:12:15] <KotH> and of course none explain what they are doing, just providing #exactsteps, so i have no clue what to set where
  • [10:12:22] <mru> random howtos never work
  • [10:12:33] * KotH is currently digesting the eclipse documentation to see what it is doing
  • [10:12:47] <mru> why are you trying to use eclipse in the first place?
  • [10:12:59] * das has already digested eclipse, it's now a huge pile of ...
  • [10:13:12] <KotH> because $coworker do not like vi or emacs
  • [10:13:15] <mru> or who are you, and what did you do with KotH?
  • [10:13:48] <das> rm -r $coworker; touch $smart_coworker
  • [10:14:15] <KotH> mru: i'm not getting salary, i'm getting compensation for psychological cruelty these days
  • [10:14:39] <mru> then you're not getting enough
  • [10:14:44] <KotH> definitly not
  • [10:14:59] <woglinde> hm http://hertaville.com/2012/09/16/part-3-debugging-openocd-0-6-0/
  • [10:15:04] <woglinde> looks easy
  • [10:15:06] <mru> I don't know how much they pay you, but no amount can make up for the torture of eclipse
  • [10:15:26] <KotH> when i switched the msp430 project to gcc and did debugging with gdb by hand, everyone else tought i'm crazy ^^'
  • [10:15:33] <woglinde> I am fine with vim and eclipse
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  • [10:17:29] <KotH> i'm fine with using eclipse too, until it gets into my way... but that could be because i know too little about it
  • [10:17:51] <woglinde> koth read the tutorial I posted
  • [10:17:56] <KotH> i'm at it
  • [10:17:56] <woglinde> that should work for you
  • [10:18:09] <woglinde> get familiar with run and debug configuration
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  • [10:18:59] <KotH> oh, i'm already familiar with that... i had gdb+openocd working with eclipse a couple of years ago
  • [10:19:14] <KotH> then updates happend, something broke, and i never had the time and leasure to fix it
  • [10:20:58] <woglinde> use kepler
  • [10:21:01] <woglinde> by the way
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  • [10:21:12] <KotH> something wrong with juno?
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  • [10:21:35] <KotH> beside being older
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  • [10:23:45] <mru> woglinde: I heard kepler was broken and unfixable
  • [10:23:54] <woglinde> mru hm?
  • [10:23:58] <woglinde> mru for what?
  • [10:24:08] <woglinde> c/c++ and java woth maven is working
  • [10:24:22] <woglinde> I need nothing more
  • [10:24:23] <anujdeshpande> i can vouch for kepler + cdt + arm-angstrom cross compilation. works just fine
  • [10:24:41] <BennieBoy> Any Mono users here?
  • [10:25:02] <mru> http://kepler.nasa.gov/news/nasakeplernews/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=292
  • [10:25:16] <mru> "the Kepler Space Telescope team is ending its attempts to restore the spacecraft to full working order"
  • [10:27:52] <BennieBoy> Just wrote a library to use the GPIO pins with Mono, but I am wondering if there is a simple way to debug C# code.
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  • [10:28:17] <mru> delete it
  • [10:28:29] <BennieBoy> Setting breakpoints and walk though the code step by step
  • [10:28:42] <BennieBoy> Would make it al lot easier to fix things ;-)
  • [10:28:45] <mru> that's not how you debug efficiently
  • [10:29:02] <BennieBoy> mru > So, what would you propose?
  • [10:29:07] <mru> stare at code
  • [10:29:19] <BennieBoy> How to debug effeciently
  • [10:29:30] <mru> yes, stare at the code
  • [10:29:43] <BennieBoy> Staring at code does not fix bugs
  • [10:29:50] <av500> indeed
  • [10:29:55] <av500> add "thinking"
  • [10:30:03] <BennieBoy> writing good code, execute it and streamline does
  • [10:30:05] <mru> if you stare at it long enough, the bugs give up
  • [10:30:26] <av500> streamline?
  • [10:30:29] <mru> KotH: up for a staring contest?
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  • [10:30:35] <av500> add racing stripes?
  • [10:30:54] <das> mru: does this apply to HW as well ?
  • [10:31:11] <BennieBoy> Maybe not the most correct expression, "improve" is maybe better
  • [10:31:20] <mru> das: I'm not a hw designer, but I would assume it does
  • [10:31:57] <BennieBoy> Yes, setting GPIO ports in an optimal way
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  • [10:32:51] <BennieBoy> mru > how would you debug code?
  • [10:32:59] <BennieBoy> apart from staring at it :-)
  • [10:33:03] <mru> stare at it until the bugs run away
  • [10:33:25] <mru> printf is useful too
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  • [10:34:38] <BennieBoy> printf is soooooooooooooooooo 1970
  • [10:34:52] <mru> does it matter how old it is?
  • [10:35:07] <ogra_> hammers are so 10000 B.C.
  • [10:35:08] <mru> the wheel is thousands of years old
  • [10:35:17] <BennieBoy> Yes, especially when there are better ways
  • [10:35:22] <BennieBoy> breakpoints,
  • [10:35:29] <BennieBoy> stack traces
  • [10:35:38] <BennieBoy> watched variables
  • [10:35:58] <mru> but those are not better ways
  • [10:36:16] <BennieBoy> The wheel is being reinvented too. In 1900 or so, they invented the inflatable tire
  • [10:36:34] <BennieBoy> Yes they are so much better.
  • [10:36:49] <mru> why do you ask if you already know all the "answers"?
  • [10:36:52] <BennieBoy> printf is working
  • [10:37:09] <BennieBoy> breakpoints and step through code is even better
  • [10:37:17] <mru> you're funny
  • [10:37:36] <BennieBoy> My question is: did someone has this working on the BB
  • [10:37:51] <mru> what?
  • [10:37:59] <av500> gdb works fine
  • [10:38:04] <BennieBoy> Setting breakpoints in Mono
  • [10:38:12] <av500> isnt that a #mono question?
  • [10:38:15] <mru> mono works on arm
  • [10:38:26] <mru> so whatever works in mono works
  • [10:38:33] <mru> but isn't mono rather dead?
  • [10:38:53] <av500> no
  • [10:39:11] <mru> says who? miguel?
  • [10:39:22] <BennieBoy> Mono is absolutely not dead and keeps following .NET very close in it's implementation
  • [10:40:08] <BennieBoy> av500 : No, it's a BB question, because I don't know if GDB is available for the BB
  • [10:40:08] <woglinde> hm to find bugs you make formal verification for each line of your code
  • [10:40:15] <av500> BennieBoy: it is
  • [10:40:24] <woglinde> gdb runs on arm
  • [10:40:24] <BennieBoy> That's wonderfull :-)
  • [10:40:26] <av500> woglinde: you prove the correctness of the code
  • [10:40:40] <av500> dont we all do that for every single line we write?
  • [10:40:49] <BennieBoy> woglinde> where there is code, there are bugs
  • [10:40:51] <woglinde> 5 seconds to google would have tell you that gdb works on arm
  • [10:41:21] <av500> woglinde: get faster internet
  • [10:41:23] <BennieBoy> Did not know gdb existed
  • [10:41:27] <ogra_> but it would have been less entertaining for us
  • [10:41:28] <av500> ah
  • [10:41:29] <BennieBoy> I am a .NET developer
  • [10:41:35] <BennieBoy> just got my BBB
  • [10:41:36] <woglinde> and of course test driven development
  • [10:41:40] <av500> how does one debug .net?
  • [10:41:46] <woglinde> visual studio
  • [10:41:49] <av500> and I have no idea if gdb can debug mono
  • [10:41:49] <mru> delete and rewrite in a real language
  • [10:41:59] <av500> again, try #mono
  • [10:42:02] <woglinde> you only 5 gig to install
  • [10:42:06] <woglinde> +need
  • [10:42:07] <desaster> .net is debugged like on gdb, but by clicking stuff
  • [10:42:12] <BennieBoy> mru > which language are you reffering too?
  • [10:42:19] <av500> https://www.google.de/search?q=mono+arm+debug
  • [10:42:28] <mru> the proper language depends on what you're doing
  • [10:42:33] <woglinde> av500 nah now you spoiled it
  • [10:42:38] <av500> sorr
  • [10:42:40] <av500> y
  • [10:43:03] <woglinde> hm I need to remeber flashbench
  • [10:43:14] <woglinde> when I am in need of it
  • [10:43:19] <BennieBoy> mru > but why do you think that C# is not a real language?
  • [10:43:32] <av500> BennieBoy: he is trolling you
  • [10:43:36] <av500> there, spoiled it again
  • [10:43:38] <BennieBoy> I know ;-)
  • [10:43:56] <mru> what I said about debugging was absolutely not trolling
  • [10:43:58] <woglinde> av500 boooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
  • [10:44:02] <mru> it's exactly how I work
  • [10:44:24] <BennieBoy> mru > if that is true, then I wish you luck with large projects
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  • [10:44:54] <mru> you can thank me next time you use, well pretty much anything
  • [10:45:24] <woglinde> mru you patched windows?
  • [10:45:35] <mru> well, no
  • [10:46:06] <BennieBoy> av500 > thanks for the link
  • [10:46:16] <av500> BennieBoy: dont thank me
  • [10:46:21] <av500> thank Larry and Sergey
  • [10:46:45] <woglinde> give them some more data of you
  • [10:46:47] <BennieBoy> av500 > already found what I wanted to know http://www.mono-project.com/Debugging
  • [10:46:54] <woglinde> looool
  • [10:47:06] <mru> you just stuck around to entertain us?
  • [10:47:09] <mru> how kind of you
  • [10:47:42] <BennieBoy> mru > of course, I want to become a real developer
  • [10:47:51] <das> using C# ?
  • [10:47:59] <BennieBoy> using all kind of cool stuf, like printf
  • [10:48:38] <BennieBoy> Das > yes, C# and mono. Cross plantform development and execution.
  • [10:48:56] <BennieBoy> Das > I wrote a rest service in 10 minutes with 20 lines of code
  • [10:49:17] <BennieBoy> Das > So yes, C#, Mono & .NET
  • [10:49:18] <mru> everybody bow to the master!
  • [10:49:28] <BennieBoy> mru > thank you
  • [10:49:35] <BennieBoy> deep bow please ;-)
  • [10:49:39] <mru> wtf is a rest service anyway?
  • [10:49:57] <av500> a motel?
  • [10:49:58] <BennieBoy> mru > SOAP Service, Web Service, Rest Service
  • [10:50:15] <BennieBoy> Ever heared of HTTP
  • [10:50:16] <mru> av500: one that provides soap in the bathroom, apparently
  • [10:50:16] <av500> I hope it has soap
  • [10:50:35] <mru> but I bet it's that kind that feels like washing your hands in grit
  • [10:50:46] <mru> even expensive hotels have that
  • [10:50:50] <mru> I never understood why
  • [10:51:02] <BennieBoy> mru > Yes, it is that kind of soap :-)
  • [10:51:41] <woglinde> hm webservice are based on soap
  • [10:51:58] <mru> explains the foul taste
  • [10:52:17] <woglinde> and a primitive rest service goes even with one line
  • [10:52:27] <mru> sleep()
  • [10:52:39] <BennieBoy> mru > To enlighten you. This Rest Service is a service which you can call through HTTP and you can write code to control your computer (in this case the BBB)
  • [10:53:15] <woglinde> now it becomes really entertaining
  • [10:53:29] <BennieBoy> wogline > This rest service does a bit more, but you are right, does not take much code
  • [10:53:34] <mru> I know what http is
  • [10:53:44] <mru> I even read the rfc
  • [10:53:50] <mru> I bet you didn't
  • [10:53:57] <ant_work> mru: you have to rest while browsing http
  • [10:54:12] <av500> using chrome, yes
  • [10:55:01] <BennieBoy> mru > yes, hands behind my back and Chrome does all the work
  • [10:55:28] <BennieBoy> mru > nope, never read any rfc
  • [10:55:43] <BennieBoy> wtf is a rfc??? ;-)
  • [10:55:49] <mru> I've spent the last 15 years or so watching these acronyms come and go
  • [10:56:02] <mru> blissfully ignoring them
  • [10:56:03] <BennieBoy> some are there to stay
  • [10:56:20] <mru> the kids get all excited every time a new one shows up
  • [10:56:27] <woglinde> mru corba is older
  • [10:56:27] <BennieBoy> I would get rid of that Blissfully in that sentence ;-)
  • [10:56:30] <mru> a year or two later the fad has passed
  • [10:56:45] <mru> woglinde: oooh, I remember corba
  • [10:56:53] <mru> it was the hotness back in 99
  • [10:57:15] <woglinde> and rest is popular since rails
  • [10:57:26] <BennieBoy> mru> depends where you live.
  • [10:57:38] <mru> I live in reality
  • [10:57:44] <BennieBoy> Rest is not that bad
  • [10:57:48] <mru> you live in the clout
  • [10:57:50] <av500> yes, I like to rest
  • [10:57:51] <mru> cloud
  • [10:58:14] <BennieBoy> Only the head, the "rest" is outside the cloud
  • [10:58:33] <mru> are you sure that's not sand where your head is?
  • [10:58:46] <woglinde> rest is normaly for getting or manipulate data, not for controlling something
  • [10:59:03] <BennieBoy> That is what I do: Controlling the BBB
  • [10:59:08] * ogra_ usually throws away the rest
  • [10:59:13] <ogra_> bad habit, i know ...
  • [10:59:51] <BennieBoy> Shouldn't abbreviations be written in capitals? In that case it is REST
  • [10:59:55] <woglinde> BennieBoy you can control it with javascript
  • [11:00:02] <BennieBoy> or R.E.S.T.
  • [11:00:11] <woglinde> or cgi
  • [11:00:21] <ant_work> RIP
  • [11:00:27] <mru> the kernel has B.A.T.M.A.N.
  • [11:00:28] <mru> beat that
  • [11:00:36] <woglinde> mru jupp
  • [11:00:41] <BennieBoy> wogline > have you ever written a serious application in Javascript?
  • [11:00:44] <BennieBoy> I have
  • [11:00:46] <mru> I have no idea what it is, but the acronym is cool
  • [11:00:48] <BennieBoy> It is very nasty
  • [11:00:55] <woglinde> mru routing protocol
  • [11:00:55] <BennieBoy> I prefer C#
  • [11:01:29] <woglinde> used by wireless community in germany
  • [11:04:25] <av500> ah, mech notworking
  • [11:04:28] <av500> mesh
  • [11:04:37] * ogra_ only ever wrote funny applications in javascript ...
  • [11:04:43] <ogra_> all that seriousness
  • [11:04:54] * KotH stares at mru's bugs until they run away screaming JIHAD
  • [11:04:58] * mru only ever wrote one-line mouseover triggers in javascript
  • [11:05:27] <ogra_> were it serious mouse triggers ?
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  • [11:05:45] <KotH> mru: batman is a wireless mesh service working over 802.11.... barely works
  • [11:06:01] <KotH> mru: it's very instable and routing convergence takes minutes even in a 5 node network
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  • [11:06:05] <mru> that's how mesh networks work
  • [11:06:08] <mru> barely
  • [11:06:35] <mru> maybe they should spent more time on the algorithms and less on the acronym
  • [11:06:47] <KotH> actually, there are tons of algos around
  • [11:06:47] <woglinde> actually you can write javafx3d apps in javascript
  • [11:06:56] <KotH> but people do not care about reading a dozen or so research papers
  • [11:07:03] <KotH> they just implement the first naive idea they have
  • [11:07:16] <mru> and thus is born lennartware
  • [11:07:20] <KotH> juup
  • [11:07:47] <ogra_> ++
  • [11:08:02] <mru> and ubuntuware
  • [11:08:09] <ogra_> heh
  • [11:08:16] <KotH> mru: $customer of us does a wireless sensor network with >100 nodes distributed over about a km^2. it works, it's stable, and even survives massive los of nodes
  • [11:08:44] <KotH> oh.. and those nodes cannot be reached for only a couple of weeks during summer... if at all
  • [11:08:46] <av500> somehow the mesh at the holiday site worked this year
  • [11:08:51] <av500> last year it didnt
  • [11:08:57] <av500> but maybe they wired the nodes :)
  • [11:08:58] <KotH> er.. modulo english grammar
  • [11:09:08] <mru> av500: you go to the same place every year?
  • [11:09:14] <av500> sometimes
  • [11:09:22] <mru> ah yes, that's what families with kids do
  • [11:09:40] <BennieBoy> Look into XBee, wireless mesh network. Works like a charm
  • [11:09:44] <mru> note to self: don't get kids
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  • [11:09:57] <av500> mru: nothing forces you to go to same place
  • [11:10:28] <KotH> mru: kids aint bad, as long as you can give them back in the evening ;)
  • [11:10:53] <mru> sure
  • [11:14:56] <woglinde> BennieBoy Xbee is the hw, but what protocl are they using
  • [11:15:15] <av500> woglinde: zigbee defines meshing
  • [11:15:15] <woglinde> reactive proactive hybrid?
  • [11:15:22] <av500> part of the spec
  • [11:15:36] <woglinde> av500 *sigh* mesh is like realtime
  • [11:15:45] <av500> no
  • [11:15:47] <av500> as said
  • [11:15:48] <BennieBoy> wogline > you are right: Zigbee
  • [11:15:53] <av500> zigbee defines a meshing
  • [11:15:55] <av500> look it up
  • [11:15:56] <BennieBoy> Still works quite well
  • [11:16:08] <mru> woglinde: hard mesh
  • [11:17:12] <woglinde> The 802.15.4 standard is primarily aiming at monitoring and control applications
  • [11:17:16] <woglinde> nice try
  • [11:17:23] <av500> ?
  • [11:18:40] <woglinde> av500 there is this realtime and that realtime
  • [11:18:46] <av500> so?
  • [11:18:50] <av500> there is a zigbee spec
  • [11:18:59] <av500> if you want to know about zigbee meshing, read it
  • [11:19:10] <av500> how does that relate to real time?
  • [11:19:33] <BennieBoy> It does not relate
  • [11:19:40] <woglinde> usage and what you want
  • [11:19:49] <av500> hmm
  • [11:20:05] <BennieBoy> wogline > exlplain yourself if you wnat
  • [11:20:06] <woglinde> can not compare batman with mesh zigbee
  • [11:20:06] <BennieBoy> wnat
  • [11:20:08] <av500> woglinde: bahnhof
  • [11:20:59] <woglinde> BennieBoy I do not want zigbee
  • [11:21:14] <woglinde> I wondered why you mentioned it with batman releated
  • [11:21:31] <av500> woglinde: did you think real and hard about that? or is that just a soft decision?
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  • [11:22:48] <BennieBoy> Zigbee can make use of a mesh topology
  • [11:22:53] <KotH> av500: zigbee mesh is a rather simplified and curde form of a mesh network
  • [11:22:58] <BennieBoy> we were talking about mesh, not BATMAN
  • [11:23:12] <av500> KotH: I never argued it was not
  • [11:23:21] <KotH> av500: but kudos to them for reducing the complexity before attempting to standardize something that would for sure fail
  • [11:23:30] <av500> I just said it's in the spec
  • [11:23:34] <KotH> juup
  • [11:23:53] <woglinde> hm tpm 2.0 for the nsa win
  • [11:24:05] <KotH> but the problem zigbee mesh solves does not compare to the one batman tries to solve
  • [11:24:17] <KotH> it's like comparing a sand castle to a space station
  • [11:24:38] <BennieBoy> I think BATMAN and Zigbee are not really related in their usage
  • [11:24:54] <KotH> BennieBoy: o rly?
  • [11:25:04] <KotH> BennieBoy: why did you mention zigbee mesh in the first place then?
  • [11:25:14] <BennieBoy> Koth > but it is still mesh ;-)
  • [11:25:20] <woglinde> a nice koth understood me
  • [11:25:25] <BennieBoy> and that was wat triggerd Zigbee
  • [11:25:33] <KotH> woglinde: nice? me? JIHAD!
  • [11:25:34] <KotH> ;-)
  • [11:25:35] <BennieBoy> it can be a working Mesh network
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  • [11:26:14] * KotH pats BennieBoy on his head
  • [11:26:22] <KotH> there, have a cookie and go play somewhere else
  • [11:26:55] <BennieBoy> Anyone working with Zigbee over here? Home automation?
  • [11:27:04] <BennieBoy> Koth > thanks, needed that one ;-)
  • [11:27:14] * KotH did, didnt like it, moved on to greener pastures
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  • [11:33:30] <BennieBoy> av500 > do you use mono?
  • [11:34:47] <av500> no
  • [11:34:52] <av500> I prefer stereo
  • [11:35:00] <__dumb> i want to start with linux on embedded devices. i have tried alot but no success. everything googled is going over my head. i can read a 500 pages but i want basics at one place. i know msp430 and want to go further with os and linux. help me
  • [11:35:51] <av500> read a book
  • [11:35:53] <BennieBoy> I prefer 5.1, but stereo ain't that bad ;-)
  • [11:36:01] <av500> 500 pages is nothing
  • [11:36:04] <KotH> __dumb: try "embedded linux primer"
  • [11:36:07] <av500> +1
  • [11:36:12] <KotH> __dumb: it's a bit dated, but it's a good book
  • [11:36:22] <KotH> __dumb: oh.. and you need to have a very sound linux knowledge
  • [11:36:34] <KotH> __dumb: using ubunto will not cut it
  • [11:37:12] <BennieBoy> __dumb, what will be your usage?
  • [11:37:14] <av500> deja vu anybody?
  • [11:37:21] <KotH> av500: ?
  • [11:37:32] <KotH> av500: beside getting this question at least once a week?
  • [11:37:39] <BennieBoy> Just want to learn, or are you going to use it in a certain way?
  • [11:38:14] <__dumb> KotH: tried emb linux primer.
  • [11:38:20] <av500> KotH: more like re-asking in hope to get another, better answer
  • [11:38:25] <av500> see
  • [11:39:31] * KotH looks
  • [11:39:51] <__dumb> BennieBoy: develop a mobile phone (non-smart phone firmware) and a standalone embedded webserver (with php) with mmc as fs (these two idea are currently in my mind)
  • [11:40:36] <av500> __dumb: tried and?
  • [11:41:16] <KotH> av500: prolly got confused
  • [11:41:19] <__dumb> av500: and got a little idea but not able to start (for real) but it did help me understand some concept
  • [11:41:22] <BennieBoy> __dumb > those seem to be though goals you give yourself. However, the stand alone embedded webserver is not that difficult
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  • [11:41:42] <KotH> av500: embedded linux primer is steep hill to climb if you dont know linux very well
  • [11:41:53] <av500> well, there are tons of book about linux
  • [11:41:58] * KotH nods
  • [11:42:14] <av500> so, I dont see the point reiterating it all over again
  • [11:42:21] <BennieBoy> Than again, why write a embedded webserver if you can take one from the shelf. Better concentrate on the PHP
  • [11:42:22] <av500> __dumb: read, read and read
  • [11:42:22] <Vaizki> I wonder if I should read a linux book...
  • [11:43:04] <BennieBoy> I wonder if I ever did read a linux book. Started on Solaris right away
  • [11:43:09] <BennieBoy> is not linux
  • [11:43:14] <woglinde> hm for a small embedded webserver I reccomend cppcms
  • [11:43:20] <woglinde> php is not small
  • [11:43:21] <BennieBoy> But smells like it ;-)
  • [11:43:25] <av500> woglinde: that is beside the point
  • [11:43:38] <av500> he is starting from zero knowledge
  • [11:43:52] <av500> debating php vs js is the least of his worries
  • [11:43:58] <woglinde> av500 yes and I give him something to look up
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  • [11:44:17] <av500> __dumb: read the book again
  • [11:44:22] <av500> then get a book on linux
  • [11:44:28] <av500> and install linux on your PC/laptop
  • [11:44:30] <ogra_> while true; do { echo -e 'HTTP/1.1 200 OK\r\n';cat index.html; } | nc -l 8080; done
  • [11:44:31] <KotH> BennieBoy: it might be rude to say, but that you didnt read is clearly visible from the things you write
  • [11:44:31] <av500> play with it
  • [11:44:36] <ogra_> embedded webserver :)
  • [11:44:44] <woglinde> ogra cheater and stealer
  • [11:44:54] <ogra_> woglinde, spreader :P
  • [11:44:54] <av500> like anything else, it takes 10000h to do it right
  • [11:45:04] <BennieBoy> Koth > ? is that true?
  • [11:45:08] <KotH> yes
  • [11:45:11] <woglinde> av500 years is better
  • [11:45:17] <BennieBoy> What makes you say that
  • [11:45:17] <av500> BennieBoy: yes
  • [11:45:22] <av500> experience
  • [11:45:23] <ogra_> woglinde, ++
  • [11:45:37] <BennieBoy> experience in what?
  • [11:45:43] <av500> people
  • [11:45:52] <BennieBoy> facts please
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  • [11:45:58] <__dumb_> i was a php dev earlier and nearly always work on GNU/Linux
  • [11:46:07] <woglinde> lol
  • [11:46:28] <KotH> woglinde: want some popcorn for the show? :)
  • [11:46:29] <Vaizki> this channel depresses me :(
  • [11:46:33] <KotH> Vaizki: why?
  • [11:46:42] <woglinde> Vaizki I thought it was the lack of sun
  • [11:46:45] <KotH> Vaizki: too many n00bs who think youtube is the way to learn things?
  • [11:46:46] <woglinde> in .fi
  • [11:47:10] <Vaizki> I do not have the fortitude to endure the zombie masses of "I don't know shit but I want it all - now" people
  • [11:47:33] <Vaizki> woglinde: no lack of sun here for the last 4 months or so, I'm in a GREAT mood ;)
  • [11:47:33] <KotH> __dumb_: your php knowledge is mostly useless for embedded systems, and might be even a disadvantage
  • [11:47:50] <__dumb_> i want to understand the working on internally whats going on,
  • [11:47:52] <KotH> __dumb_: unless you have some serious sysadmin experience, having worked on "GNU/Linux" doesn't say anything
  • [11:48:07] <av500> __dumb_: then do it
  • [11:48:09] <KotH> __dumb_: 13:42 < av500> __dumb: read, read and read
  • [11:48:12] <av500> +1
  • [11:48:17] <av500> also, read, read and read
  • [11:48:19] <KotH> __dumb_: try, read, try, read, try, read, understand
  • [11:48:23] <av500> unscrew the box, look inside
  • [11:48:24] <av500> explore
  • [11:48:27] <av500> be curious
  • [11:48:27] <__dumb_> im reading, reading, read
  • [11:48:31] <ogra_> well ... some practice comes in handy as well
  • [11:48:32] <av500> do NOT look for a silver bullter
  • [11:48:35] <av500> do NOT look for a silver bullet
  • [11:48:38] <av500> there is none
  • [11:48:52] <KotH> __dumb_: for reference: it took me 2 years of serious exploring linux to get anywhere
  • [11:48:54] <BennieBoy> Read and use.
  • [11:48:57] <BennieBoy> Not only read
  • [11:49:01] <BennieBoy> experience
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  • [11:49:09] <av500> and facts
  • [11:49:10] <av500> :)
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  • [11:49:14] <woglinde_> crappy dsl line
  • [11:49:14] <Vaizki> can we flay him now?
  • [11:49:15] <ogra_> install 50 different linux distros and learn ....
  • [11:49:16] <KotH> __dumb_: like >5h of digging into low level systems every day
  • [11:49:24] <BennieBoy> read, use, experience and facts?
  • [11:49:50] <__dumb_> i have also worked on msp430 but im unable to realted things
  • [11:49:56] <__dumb_> *relate
  • [11:49:57] <av500> ?
  • [11:50:04] <woglinde_> __dumb_ what you want to understand? you do not need embedded in understanding how the linux kernel works or a compiler
  • [11:50:05] <Vaizki> it's a good idea to understand how the linux kernel works, what it does and how it starts up
  • [11:50:05] <BennieBoy> It is a iterative process, read, use, read more, use, read even more, use, etc
  • [11:50:31] <Vaizki> no need to read up anything on user space, programming languages, apis etc until you know how the heart beats
  • [11:50:36] <ogra_> Vaizki, it is also good to understand the plumbig userspace :)
  • [11:50:42] <ogra_> *plumbing
  • [11:51:00] <ogra_> and if you want to have a UI it is also good to know how that stuff works
  • [11:51:07] <Vaizki> plumbing userspace?
  • [11:51:10] <BennieBoy> Do you need to to know how a car works when you want to drive one?
  • [11:51:16] <KotH> yes
  • [11:51:27] <ogra_> Vaizki, the layer that makes your UI talk to the kernel :)
  • [11:51:30] <__dumb_> Vaizki: hum ok!
  • [11:51:33] <Vaizki> if you want to drive a raspberry pi sure
  • [11:51:36] <Vaizki> don't learn it
  • [11:51:41] <BennieBoy> so it depends what you want for the need of understanding everything
  • [11:51:43] <ogra_> (and keeps the machinery running in the background)
  • [11:51:49] <KotH> BennieBoy: every changed gears without pressing the clutch and wondered whats going on?
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  • [11:52:19] <KotH> woglinde1: i think you need to run bnc somewhere stable
  • [11:52:26] <BennieBoy> I know what is going on, but that is beside the point. 99% of drivers just drive.
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  • [11:52:36] <BennieBoy> Same for computer users
  • [11:52:49] <BennieBoy> And yes, you need to know more on an embedded system
  • [11:52:52] <Vaizki> ok ok I get the car analogy. users, cars and this channel is the dealership repairshop where people who put gasoline into diesel engines come and complain
  • [11:53:02] <BennieBoy> but do you have to know all the ins and outs?
  • [11:53:06] <KotH> ARGH! what a FUCKING IDIOT!
  • [11:53:09] <BennieBoy> don't think so
  • [11:53:25] <Vaizki> yea let's talk about cars for a day
  • [11:53:37] <KotH> woglinde1: the reason why gdb doesnt work is, because the CDT installed on this system does not match the installed eclipse version, giving nice errors
  • [11:54:17] <BennieBoy> Koth > and that is why you need to know all the plumbing?
  • [11:54:30] <das> oh, cars nice ! I have a renault, I know all about fixing them !
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  • [11:55:06] <KotH> BennieBoy: uh.. are you seriously asking this question?
  • [11:55:21] <KotH> das: not a 2cx?
  • [11:55:32] <das> What am I ? A nun ?
  • [11:55:46] <av500> +1
  • [11:55:52] <Vaizki> if you want to do embedded linux without understanding the plumbing, you can pay KotHs company to fix it for you
  • [11:56:02] <Vaizki> just like you can pay your car repair shop
  • [11:56:18] <BennieBoy> Yes, __dumb wants to do something in PHP and wants to know more about embedded systems, but to say that he/she can only reach his goal by knowing everything about everything what happens on an embedded system is overkill
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  • [11:56:49] <__dumb_> BennieBoy: He :)
  • [11:56:56] <av500> the thing is, he does not know what he wants
  • [11:57:09] <Vaizki> BennieBoy: he said "develop a mobile phone (non-smart phone firmware) and a standalone embedded webserver (with php) with mmc as fs"
  • [11:57:21] <av500> sounds like buzzword bingo to me
  • [11:57:27] <__dumb_> actually i know what i want but that has a very steep learning rate
  • [11:57:31] <av500> aka "he does not know what he wants"
  • [11:57:36] <av500> __dumb_: so?
  • [11:57:41] <Vaizki> that is not the same as installing ??ngstr??m and putting a few php files in the web server root
  • [11:57:42] <BennieBoy> Than, that is the answer to tell him. Just make up your mind how you want to use an embedded system before asking the question
  • [11:57:42] <KotH> BennieBoy: well, i want a space station, what for do i need to know how to build a rocket?
  • [11:58:01] <KotH> BennieBoy: i just want a space station, no need to know about solar panels or how to deal with vacuum
  • [11:58:03] <av500> just use AmazonPrime
  • [11:58:10] <av500> they can deliver it
  • [11:58:31] <__dumb_> three thing that makes me shiver is bootloader and linux and rootfs | i m trying to get their concepts how, why and where
  • [11:58:31] <SpeedEvil> Spacex.com
  • [11:58:35] <SpeedEvil> they actually have prices
  • [11:58:38] <ogra_> indiegogo ....
  • [11:58:39] <ogra_> :)
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  • [11:59:09] <KotH> __dumb_: read up on how linux booting works on x86
  • [11:59:09] <das> __dumb_: http://free-electrons.com/
  • [11:59:13] <das> loadsa docs here
  • [11:59:20] <KotH> __dumb_: there are a few webpages that describe that in detail
  • [11:59:22] <av500> lotsa docs everywhere
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  • [11:59:31] <KotH> __dumb_: when you know that, it's easy to apply that knowledge to embedded systems
  • [11:59:32] <av500> thing is, he is not reading them
  • [11:59:41] <das> the free-electrons material is really simple IMHO
  • [11:59:52] <das> whereas kernel Documentation/ ...
  • [11:59:59] <KotH> das: is easy as well
  • [12:00:11] <KotH> das: you just need to think like a kernel developer
  • [12:00:18] <KotH> das: not like a user space developer
  • [12:00:24] <BennieBoy> __dump: Start giving yourself a goal which is feasable with your current knowledge and build from there
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  • [12:00:58] <Vaizki> __dumb_: breadth first. understand the whole chain. then study the parts enough to know the principles. then you know where to look for more later.
  • [12:01:05] <das> KotH: noobs can't udnerstand kernel doc, you need a knowledge base first
  • [12:01:12] <woglinde> hm at least he is not writing a master thesis
  • [12:01:18] <KotH> lol
  • [12:01:26] <KotH> das: not true
  • [12:01:29] <av500> woglinde: you dont know that
  • [12:01:45] <woglinde> av500 he what have already told us
  • [12:01:52] <KotH> das: i was a bloody n00b when i read my first kernel docs
  • [12:01:54] <__dumb_> no, not writing master thesis :D
  • [12:01:55] <av500> he might be tricky
  • [12:02:01] <KotH> das: i didnt even own a computer for more than a month or so
  • [12:02:14] <KotH> das: i read it, and i understood most of it
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  • [12:02:23] <woglinde> and you leave php very fast when learning some concepts at university
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  • [12:02:38] <KotH> das: ok... i didnt try to get spi working on a embedded system
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  • [12:03:33] <das> KotH: there's tons of good stuff around: FE, OSdev ... no reason to start with kernel doc
  • [12:03:47] <KotH> das: there were none of those back then ;)
  • [12:04:09] <mru> rtfs always worked for me
  • [12:04:14] <KotH> das: you know, 2.0.36 didnt run on anything but x86 and ppc :)
  • [12:04:19] <das> yes, but also things grew more complicated
  • [12:04:28] <KotH> true that
  • [12:04:41] <Vaizki> and our toys were made of wood also
  • [12:04:52] <KotH> my toys are still made out of wood ^^'
  • [12:04:58] <_troll_> are witches still made of wood?
  • [12:05:03] <das> KotH: my first kernel was 2.6.3x :)
  • [12:05:24] <woglinde> das lol
  • [12:05:32] <woglinde> you missed a lot of fun
  • [12:05:37] <das> I know :(
  • [12:05:49] <mru> I remember when 2.2 came out
  • [12:05:54] <av500> is this pissing contest over soon?
  • [12:05:57] <mru> suddenly the machine was much faster
  • [12:06:03] <woglinde> av50 no
  • [12:06:24] <ynezz> what about first kanged kernel?
  • [12:06:36] * ogra_ remembers 1.99 ... suddenly you could dynamically load drivers
  • [12:06:39] <av500> my first computer was a guy I bullied into doing my math homework
  • [12:06:48] <mru> which came first, the chad or the kang?
  • [12:07:03] <KotH> das: for some reason, you look like a small kitten now :)
  • [12:07:11] <av500> Florida had kanging chad
  • [12:07:15] <ogra_> av500, that was you ?!?
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  • [12:07:29] <ynezz> uh, chaded kernel? that doesn't sound too marketingish
  • [12:07:48] <ogra_> kanged sounds surely better
  • [12:07:57] <KotH> av500: sorry, need to blow of some steam
  • [12:08:03] <ogra_> woglinde, stop playing with that network cable
  • [12:08:12] <KotH> av500: people are getting in my way the whole day
  • [12:08:20] <Vaizki> I might be wrong but I remember kernel 0.96 from way back
  • [12:08:21] <ynezz> ogra_: he's on mesh
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  • [12:08:24] <KotH> av500: and n00bs are the right thing for that :)
  • [12:08:32] <av500> not nice
  • [12:08:38] * KotH never said he is nice
  • [12:08:39] <Vaizki> could be my first one.. I was pissed when the kernels started requiring > 4MB memory
  • [12:08:46] <ogra_> ynezz, so he shoud find thicker nodes :)
  • [12:08:56] <KotH> Vaizki: lol
  • [12:08:59] <Vaizki> been so long and too many beers, can't remember this stuff :)
  • [12:09:02] <das> KotH: can you pet me ?
  • [12:09:03] <KotH> Vaizki: how old are you? 40?
  • [12:09:06] <Vaizki> yes
  • [12:09:14] <Vaizki> 40 as of last wednesday
  • [12:09:18] <Vaizki> good guess
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  • [12:09:24] <KotH> das: only if you are cute and meow all day
  • [12:09:28] <mru> wasn't tbird running in 4MB quite recently?
  • [12:09:52] <ogra_> wasnt that still called netscape mail ?
  • [12:10:04] <ogra_> when it could do that
  • [12:10:05] <mru> not that tbird
  • [12:10:17] <ynezz> muttbird?
  • [12:10:25] <mru> tim bird
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  • [12:10:48] <KotH> vim bird
  • [12:11:10] <mru> when he was doing cameras at sony
  • [12:11:39] <woglinde_> ogra shitty dsl line
  • [12:11:46] <ogra_> :(
  • [12:11:51] <mru> is there any other kind?
  • [12:11:53] <KotH> mru: sony? not minolta?
  • [12:11:58] <Vaizki> KotH: anyway, I started playing around with unix-like on 286 and 68k before uni.. good times but the world has moved on a bit :)
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  • [12:12:09] <KotH> Vaizki: only a bit
  • [12:12:15] <__dumb_> thanks everyone :)
  • [12:12:18] <mru> KotH: sony bought minolta, not?
  • [12:12:22] <KotH> Vaizki: the never ending september became facebook :)
  • [12:12:29] <mru> and I don't know if he came from minolta or not
  • [12:12:29] <Vaizki> well my skills are still relevant
  • [12:12:34] <KotH> mru: ok..
  • [12:12:54] <Vaizki> and now I have to go to a board meeting .. put some newer skills into use ;)
  • [12:13:13] <mru> how many layers is that board?
  • [12:13:21] <KotH> Vaizki: being able to think, aquire knowledge and apply that knowledge are always relevant skills ;)
  • [12:13:41] <mru> KotH: nonsense, nowadays all you need is a youtube tutorial
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  • [12:14:45] <woglinde_> mru at least you do not need to ask someone to show you something over and over again
  • [12:15:08] <ynezz> yes, and it's indexed easily, one can link to relevant frame
  • [12:15:23] <ynezz> you don't need to skip nonsense, just watch it all at 4.5x
  • [12:15:33] <ynezz> how useful
  • [12:15:43] <das> woglinde_: except the compiler ... if those could talk
  • [12:15:46] <KotH> woglinde_: you mean like my coworker who asked me >5 times this morning about why he cannot send this important mail... and the answer was alway "you cannot send more than 7mb of attachments"
  • [12:15:47] <ynezz> it's useful as forum I would say
  • [12:16:16] <mru> that's a low limit
  • [12:16:18] <av500> KotH: 5x thats 35MB already
  • [12:16:31] <KotH> av500: juup
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  • [12:16:45] <KotH> av500: and if he would continue like this, i'm sure he'll reach 100MB by the end of the day
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  • [12:17:12] <KotH> mru: the limit is 10MB usually, dont forget that attachments are base64'ed
  • [12:17:34] <mru> my mail server accepts much bigger
  • [12:17:38] <woglinde> *sigh* again
  • [12:17:39] <mru> 100MB or so
  • [12:17:51] <mru> it's occasionally useful
  • [12:17:52] <KotH> woglinde: poor boy
  • [12:18:09] <KotH> mru: yes, but most external mailservers have a limit in the 10MB range
  • [12:18:18] <mru> who uses those?
  • [12:18:24] <KotH> companies
  • [12:18:38] <mru> ah, like freescale
  • [12:18:43] <KotH> and i want to catch too large outgoing mails soon, so people dont do anything stupid
  • [12:18:48] <mru> I can't send mail to freescale.com _at all_
  • [12:19:10] <KotH> that's because they use /dev/null as incomming filter
  • [12:19:11] <ynezz> trolllisted?
  • [12:19:17] <KotH> no, it's freescale
  • [12:19:29] <mru> I get a bounce from some microsoft service saying my ip is blacklisted
  • [12:20:00] <mru> I wonder how big a range they block
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  • [12:22:21] <av500> they have to finish what Cameron started
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  • [12:25:38] <KotH> mru: or they assume you are in a dynamically assigned range
  • [12:25:49] <KotH> mru: a lot of people just block these for "security" reasons
  • [12:26:04] <mru> there's nothing dynamic about my range
  • [12:26:08] <KotH> i know
  • [12:26:19] <mru> I even have my name in the ripe records
  • [12:26:36] <KotH> i know
  • [12:26:49] <KotH> but do they know?
  • [12:27:01] <mru> how do they decide which ranges to block?
  • [12:27:09] <KotH> dice
  • [12:27:12] <mru> 4
  • [12:27:44] <KotH> guaranteed to be random
  • [12:28:28] <jackmitchell> mru: you have links to open source software, they can't be dealing with your kind
  • [12:28:55] <av500> +1
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  • [12:38:45] <KotH> *grml*
  • [12:38:48] <KotH> what is it today...
  • [12:38:55] <mru> friday
  • [12:39:01] <KotH> yeah.. looks like
  • [12:43:49] <mru> how many times must we repeat that it's _always_ friday?
  • [12:45:20] <woglinde> until its really friday
  • [12:46:17] <KotH> mru: i whish people around me would behave like it is friday and stop bothering me
  • [12:46:41] <mru> maybe they didn't get the memo
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  • [13:06:23] <vvu|Mobile> kinda off-topic question when i do xz -cd file.xz > /dev/mmcblk0 from where does it start to write to mmcblk0 ?
  • [13:06:47] <georgem> vvu|Mobile: That isn't far enough off topic
  • [13:07:47] <georgem> vvu|Mobile: The first byte of the device
  • [13:08:18] <vvu|Mobile> so it starts from the first byte....because i`m trying to dump the latest angstrom image to eMMC of the BBB and i get "short write" error
  • [13:09:02] <georgem> ohh... I see
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  • [13:12:14] <georgem> ummm... do you try: xz -cd file.xz | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0
  • [13:12:29] <georgem> you can try that I mean and see if you have the same problem. *shrug*
  • [13:12:33] <vvu|Mobile> ok
  • [13:12:35] <vvu|Mobile> lemme try
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  • [13:25:37] <vvu|Mobile> georgem: dd: writing '/dev/mmcblk0': No space left on device
  • [13:26:18] <georgem> its too big then...
  • [13:27:01] <vvu|Mobile> georgem: i`m trying to get http://beagleboard.org/latest-images the 1st image
  • [13:27:08] <vvu|Mobile> to put it on the eMMC...so it`s too big
  • [13:27:47] <georgem> the 1st image is 4GB. eMMC is 2GB
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  • [13:28:16] <vvu|Mobile> oh :)
  • [13:28:34] <vvu|Mobile> yeah but 2nd one is flasher
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  • [13:29:36] <georgem> yeah. I don't see a plain image to go right on the eMMC. Seems kind of silly.
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  • [13:32:52] <georgem> I guess they just assume you wouldn't have a clue what to do with it
  • [13:34:22] <vvu|Mobile> yeah...
  • [13:35:25] <georgem> you can probably find it somewhere. It might take some searching
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  • [14:14:42] <monzie> How to manually unload a dtbo fragment? (the reverse of echo myboard >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr.8/slots)
  • [14:14:50] <av500> unecho
  • [14:14:53] <av500> de-echo
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  • [14:16:07] <av500> echo -
  • [14:16:35] <av500> echo -$foo > $bar
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  • [14:20:04] <monzie> echo - gives "bone-capemgr ...Removed slot #0", but the overlay is still in slot 7. The pins haven't changed either
  • [14:21:38] <av500> where is that greek when one needs him?
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  • [14:25:39] <monzie> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MatD2Vyg
  • [14:27:37] <monzie> actually http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3RjFEFLn
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  • [14:31:43] <KotH> av500: at the beach!
  • [14:32:09] <KotH> looks like woglindes inet gave up at last
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  • [14:37:26] <narcos> Ever so much off topic - but I suspect you're electronics folk here. Has anyone played with those laser pointers that you can attach to your smart phone? I'm trying to figure out what sound it plays to operate the laser
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  • [14:42:56] <av500> ?
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  • [14:44:33] <KotH> av500: sounds like french, doesn't it?
  • [14:46:23] <av500> narcos: plug headphone instead and listen to the sound
  • [14:46:32] <av500> if you are lucky, it wont zap your brain
  • [14:47:15] <mru> some phones multiplex a uart on the headphone jack
  • [14:47:23] <av500> nah
  • [14:47:31] <mru> I doubt that's what's being used here
  • [14:47:38] <av500> random $3 gadets from china dont rely on that
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  • [14:47:47] <narcos> av500: Yeah I did that, it says "bzzzzz". Trying to figure out the waveform now
  • [14:48:09] <agmlego> THis is what a scope is for.
  • [14:48:14] <agmlego> Preferably one with FFT.
  • [14:48:15] <av500> or golden ears
  • [14:49:01] <das> or goldeneyes
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  • [14:49:36] <ogra_> golden years ?
  • [14:49:59] <mru> golden bears
  • [14:50:14] <av500> Haribo!
  • [15:01:23] <KotH> lakrizschnecken!
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  • [15:17:04] <das> countmail
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  • [15:36:31] <monzie> Im trying to disable the hearbeat led using a dtbo. I can compile and install ok but led is still flashing the heartbeat. Here is my overlay. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=50tLtKy3
  • [15:37:18] <prpplague> monzie: just curious why you are trying to do it with a dtbo?
  • [15:37:28] <prpplague> monzie: why not just turn it off?
  • [15:37:42] <monzie> Just trying to learn for now
  • [15:38:15] <monzie> Trying to understand dtbos better
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  • [15:43:13] <prpplague> monzie: ahh well that example is probably not the best to use, as the configuration is loaded by default with the kernel image, and would require other measures to work properly
  • [15:44:28] * LetoThe2nd welcomes the palgue
  • [15:44:31] <LetoThe2nd> plague, even
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  • [15:47:21] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: greetings old friend
  • [15:47:39] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: i trust buried life isn't treating you badly, hehe
  • [15:47:47] <prpplague> s/buried/married
  • [15:48:32] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: life's going pretty well here besides having to tinker some historic code with the worlds most fucked up compiler (IAR) at work ;)
  • [15:48:42] <KotH> prpplague: dont worry, those two words mean the same thing ;)
  • [15:48:42] <prpplague> hehe
  • [15:48:49] * LetoThe2nd hopes the same or better for you
  • [15:48:58] <prpplague> KotH: i know that, but LetoThe2nd is just now finding that out....
  • [15:49:07] <LetoThe2nd> hehehe
  • [15:49:09] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: that's not nice, hoping someone has to work with iar
  • [15:49:25] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: "or better"
  • [15:49:33] <KotH> only better
  • [15:49:40] <KotH> iar is worse than the plague!
  • [15:49:44] <KotH> prpplague: no offence ;)
  • [15:50:15] <monzie> prpplague: What other measures are required?
  • [15:51:09] <koen> imperial measures
  • [15:51:24] <LetoThe2nd> drastic measures
  • [15:52:11] <monzie> Changing the interrupt type should be trivial, something an overlay can handle , right?
  • [15:52:39] * das wonders if there's a clean way to integrate circles into squares
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  • [15:53:29] <LetoThe2nd> das: well just take care that neither gets dirty before integration.
  • [15:53:49] <mru> LetoThe2nd: believe it or not, there compilers worse than iar
  • [15:53:58] <das> unicorns much ?
  • [15:54:01] <LetoThe2nd> mru: i do not believe.
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  • [15:54:44] <mru> I've seen alleged c compilers that couldn't handle statements like a = b = 0;
  • [15:54:53] <prpplague> monzie: you would need to edit the am335x-bone-common.dtsi and recompile the kernel
  • [15:55:33] <KotH> mru: adhering to the c standard is option, or what?
  • [15:56:46] <mru> it also did strange things if you passed a va_list as argument to a function
  • [15:56:51] <mru> so no calling vprintf
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  • [15:59:04] <monzie> pprplague: ok thanks.
  • [15:59:44] <monzie> Isn
  • [16:00:04] <monzie> Isn't avoiding recompiling the kernel the whole reason the device tree exists?
  • [16:01:04] <mru> no
  • [16:01:36] <_av500_> its to reduce churn
  • [16:02:32] <KotH> it's to make embedded development more difficult, so we can get better salary
  • [16:03:06] <monzie> KotH: I think that's it!
  • [16:03:29] <monzie> So if I want to release a cape that uses the hearbeat led for another purpose I have to release a custom kernel? doesn't seem right to me.
  • [16:03:33] <_av500_> not difficult, just different
  • [16:03:35] <prpplague> KotH: exactly
  • [16:03:45] <_av500_> monzie: ?
  • [16:05:04] <monzie> What my current understanding is that to modify the "hearbeat" led functionality I have to recompile the kernel.
  • [16:05:13] <_av500_> no
  • [16:05:20] <_av500_> its set by a led trigger
  • [16:05:24] <_av500_> from sysfs or so
  • [16:05:31] <monzie> That is what pprplague said
  • [16:05:47] <monzie> I am trying to do it with an overlay
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  • [16:07:07] <monzie> _av500: here is my overlay file http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=50tLtKy3
  • [16:07:21] <monzie> After I apply it the heartbeat led keeps beating.
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  • [16:31:47] <das> Natata
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  • [16:32:03] <KotH> that's spelled hakuna matata
  • [16:33:50] <dm8tbr> moooo
  • [16:33:57] <m_billybob> mooo hooo
  • [16:34:02] <koen> I could use some Past??is de Nata right now
  • [16:34:02] <m_billybob> morning :)
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  • [17:02:51] <das> feels like 12 year-olds are writing makefiles here
  • [17:02:56] <das> "[ 0%] Build, wait a moment plz ..."
  • [17:04:16] <dm8tbr> nuke them from orbit
  • [17:04:19] <dm8tbr> only way to be sure
  • [17:04:23] <georgem> is that with waf or something?
  • [17:04:46] <das> man waf
  • [17:05:17] <panto> Cmake?
  • [17:05:32] <georgem> yeah, I was gonna say that either looks like cmake or waf
  • [17:06:09] <das> yep cmake
  • [17:06:28] <das> did some autotools this morning, I now praise cmake
  • [17:06:37] * panto hates cake
  • [17:06:45] <panto> Err damn autocomplete
  • [17:06:48] <das> lD
  • [17:06:51] <panto> Cmake
  • [17:06:59] <georgem> I hate cmake. waf is... interesting I haven't decided if I like it yet
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  • [17:10:51] <georgem> autotools has it's issues too. configure doesn't run checks in parallel so its slow. It also needs a lint or something to keep people from doing stupid shit with it
  • [17:11:30] <panto> georgem: At least it cross compiles properly
  • [17:12:08] <das> it's just so complicated
  • [17:12:50] <georgem> panto: not entirely http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/autoconf/2012-10/msg00084.html
  • [17:12:50] <panto> So is cmake
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  • [17:13:12] <das> cmake is bad too, just not as
  • [17:13:53] <das> (well, I think they're bad just because I spend too much time figuring out what's happening, maybe experts have a different opinion)
  • [17:14:30] <georgem> das: waf?
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  • [17:15:00] <das> georgem: never heard of it until you mentioned it a couple minutes earlier
  • [17:15:06] <georgem> ah ok
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  • [17:15:25] <georgem> samba related stuff uses it
  • [17:15:27] <das> I don't think it's the kind of thing you see a lot in the 'work world' ?
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  • [17:17:21] <das> god that integration is going nowhere and my boss is on holidays ...
  • [17:17:36] <das> damn Intel !
  • [17:18:00] <woglinde> das make a party at work
  • [17:18:17] <das> I asked who wanted to play quake3 at lunch
  • [17:18:23] <das> noone knows what it is :(
  • [17:18:23] <m_billybob> lol
  • [17:18:32] <m_billybob> double lol
  • [17:18:35] <das> they don't know xkcd either :(
  • [17:18:42] <woglinde> georgem you can not stop people doing shitty thinks with your stuff
  • [17:18:44] <m_billybob> ok that one stumped me
  • [17:18:56] <woglinde> quake3 is lame
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  • [17:19:02] <woglinde> play dayz origins
  • [17:19:04] <m_billybob> Q3 is old.
  • [17:19:10] <georgem> I have to go out of my way to goof off quite often while I wait for people to get their shit finished
  • [17:19:17] <das> also they all have gfs
  • [17:19:29] <woglinde> das get one too or buy one
  • [17:19:31] <m_billybob> das, those evil womanizers . . .
  • [17:19:33] <woglinde> from russia or asia
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  • [17:19:44] <georgem> my wife plays games with me
  • [17:19:55] <georgem> like dayz
  • [17:19:58] <woglinde> georgem hehe lucky
  • [17:19:58] <m_billybob> georgem: TMI.
  • [17:20:34] <das> woglinde: I'm not sure how to do either
  • [17:20:42] <woglinde> das ?????
  • [17:21:01] <woglinde> I found my wife via chatting
  • [17:21:04] <woglinde> so do the same
  • [17:21:10] <georgem> same
  • [17:21:12] <das> I went to a bar and asked a girl if my tissue smelled like chloroform to her, but she didn't fall for it
  • [17:21:32] <agmlego> Good muscle memory.
  • [17:21:57] <woglinde> das in bars you do not find woman for life
  • [17:22:05] <woglinde> only for one night
  • [17:22:17] <das> ?
  • [17:22:36] <das> once they're chained in your basement, if you bring enough food and water they should last longer than one night
  • [17:22:41] <das> I think
  • [17:22:45] <georgem> lmao
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  • [17:23:38] <woglinde> das I see see
  • [17:23:42] <woglinde> go on play quake3
  • [17:24:10] <georgem> I started playing Avadon: The Black Fortress
  • [17:25:06] <das> anyways; rum o'clock !
  • [17:26:09] <woglinde> georgem looks a bit like ultima
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  • [17:26:29] <georgem> woglinde: yeah. looks a bit like it. plays a bit differently though
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  • [17:27:15] <woglinde> but I never really played ultima *g*
  • [17:29:13] <woglinde> hm should I buy a jolla phone
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  • [17:31:34] <woglinde_> crappy dsl line again
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  • [17:34:23] <georgem> buy a jolla phone if you have the money and want to support them and tinker with it. otherwise wait until they've been out for a while and good reviews come in
  • [17:35:51] <woglinde_> lol
  • [17:36:17] <woglinde_> that was rhetoric
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  • [18:31:56] <_av500_> woglinde_: maybe you can run ubuntu phone on it?
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  • [18:35:31] <woglinde_> av500 no it has no android driver
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  • [18:44:10] <_av500_> damn
  • [18:44:13] <_av500_> maybe FFos?
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  • [18:46:04] <woglinde_> damn dsl line
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  • [18:48:02] <kblin> woglinde_: high quality alice DSL, I know the pain
  • [18:48:11] <djlewis> I see opkg upgrade still does the nasty....
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  • [18:48:26] <Humpelstilzchen> kblin: works fine in my city..
  • [18:49:13] <kblin> Humpelstilzchen: arguably, alice can't really be blamed on the state of DSL in this village, it's the same lousy line for all providers
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  • [19:02:53] <woglinde> kblin it is not alice fault its really the line
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  • [19:22:05] <KotH> mru: i just checked the sd card specs, there is, protocol wise, no difference between sdhc and sdxc for read/write
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  • [19:22:41] <KotH> mru: and read/write use 32bit for block address 2TB can be addressed
  • [19:22:56] <mru> where's the difference? clock rates?
  • [19:23:47] <mru> istr sdxc allowing higher clocks
  • [19:23:51] <KotH> dunno.. havent checked for the details
  • [19:24:26] <KotH> but probably it's just additional capabilities
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  • [19:27:40] <blaaa> How many write cycles can the BBB on board flash handle?
  • [19:28:05] <KotH> look up the chips datasheet
  • [19:28:16] <KotH> prolly in the range of 10k
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  • [19:29:44] <georgem> blaaa: you mean how many cycles of writing the entire capacity?
  • [19:30:44] <KotH> georgem: the number of cycles are defined by block. as writing the flash is done over the same block with no wear leveling, the number of writing the full capacity does not matter
  • [19:31:07] <georgem> you can't use that chip without wear leveling
  • [19:31:12] <georgem> its built in
  • [19:31:30] <KotH> hmm?
  • [19:31:42] <KotH> it's not just a flash at a fancy interface?
  • [19:32:14] <blaaa> I'm on a phone right now, hard to get hold of data sheets, but I'll look it up
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  • [19:32:28] <georgem> KotH: http://www.micron.com/products/managed-nand/e-mmc
  • [19:32:39] <_av500_> KotH: emmc is SD/MMC
  • [19:32:49] <_av500_> the specs you are reading :)
  • [19:33:04] <KotH> oh! shiny!
  • [19:33:42] <Spirilis> ah, fancy
  • [19:33:49] <Spirilis> suspected it had something like that but now I know for sure :)
  • [19:33:50] <georgem> as long as you don't loose power while the wear leveling is moving your file system super block
  • [19:34:51] <KotH> well, the card should handle even that
  • [19:35:01] <KotH> compared to wear leveling, superblock moves are easy :)
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  • [19:36:20] <KotH> n'abend woglinde_
  • [19:36:28] <KotH> the price for these things is even reasonable!
  • [19:36:46] <georgem> price for what?
  • [19:37:09] <_av500_> beer
  • [19:37:12] <KotH> for the emmc modules
  • [19:37:21] <KotH> _av500_: s/beer/chocolate/
  • [19:37:26] <georgem> the price is reasonable but the availability is terrible
  • [19:37:29] <KotH> _av500_: i'm not mranostay
  • [19:37:37] <georgem> expect huge lead times
  • [19:37:59] <georgem> unless you're a smart phone manufacturer
  • [19:38:09] <KotH> georgem: i've dealt with 26 weeks on capacitors, i've seen >50 weeks for parts. those are definitly not going to shock me :)
  • [19:38:19] <georgem> holy crap!
  • [19:38:28] <SpeedEvil> Is there anywhere you can buy them in ones?
  • [19:38:33] <georgem> no
  • [19:38:37] <SpeedEvil> I've idly wondered about upgrading phones and stuff
  • [19:38:40] <KotH> SpeedEvil: findchip doesnt know any
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  • [19:38:53] <georgem> I'll have some in a few days
  • [19:39:01] <georgem> maybe one could into the mail...
  • [19:39:02] <KotH> SpeedEvil: but you can try ebv, msc-gleichmann & co whether they can get you some
  • [19:39:08] <georgem> could find its way*
  • [19:39:17] <SpeedEvil> KotH: Singificantly easier to fin dthan the other memory I was looking for - POP RAM to upgrade my phone
  • [19:39:18] <Spirilis> wonder how long it took circuitco?
  • [19:39:35] * SpeedEvil wants the only N900 with 512M
  • [19:39:40] <SpeedEvil> And 700MHz processor
  • [19:39:54] <KotH> SpeedEvil: alternatively you can buy sdcard controllers from hyperstone and a supported nandflash
  • [19:40:15] <SpeedEvil> KotH: Naah - RAM, not flash
  • [19:40:19] <KotH> SpeedEvil: and hyperstone has a minimum sales of 50
  • [19:40:22] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - for EMMC
  • [19:40:39] <SpeedEvil> I suspect you can probably convince most stuff wanting EMMC to use SD
  • [19:40:50] <SpeedEvil> Though I may be optimistic
  • [19:40:51] <KotH> and you can get complete diced wavers nearly for free :)
  • [19:40:52] <georgem> its 8 bit
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  • [19:40:54] <georgem> not 4
  • [19:41:03] <Humpelstilzchen> SpeedEvil: bigger keys..
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  • [19:41:24] <SpeedEvil> And I know
  • [19:41:29] <Spirilis> heh unrelated (slightly) topic, does anyone have insight into how distributors like Mouser decide which packages of a chip to carry in single-qty-sellable formats vs. those that are like "non-stocked, you can buy 200+ from us if you want"?
  • [19:41:47] <Spirilis> is it related to which package big customers of theirs are asking for, I wonder
  • [19:41:49] <KotH> Spirilis: those that sell single quantity
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  • [19:42:33] <georgem> Spirilis: They probably only sell stuff in single quantities that they already have in their warehouse.
  • [19:43:03] <KotH> georgem: nah.. that way they wouldnt get any new parts :)
  • [19:43:10] <Spirilis> georgem: ah k, so the "spark" that starts such a stock is probably someone making a commitment to buy them in higher quantities?
  • [19:43:36] <KotH> i guess they have someone who desides based on experience which new parts are worthy to be stocked and sold single quantity
  • [19:43:41] <Spirilis> the chip in question is the MSP430 G2955, you can buy the RHA package (QFN) in single qty but not the DA (0.65mm-pitch TSSOP, i.e. solderable by us MERE MORTALS!) package
  • [19:43:55] <KotH> lol
  • [19:43:56] <SpeedEvil> QFN is doable
  • [19:44:05] <KotH> i wouldnt call TSSOP solderable by mere mortals
  • [19:44:12] * SpeedEvil wonders if he can remember the link to 'how to solder by hand'
  • [19:44:16] <KotH> you need good equipment and a steady hand for that kind of stuff
  • [19:44:40] <Spirilis> well, I've done a lot of TSSOP's in that same package... I built my own F5172 "launchpad" and sold a number through 43oh.com so I'm familiar with it. It's pretty easy for me.
  • [19:44:41] <KotH> or you need mrpackethead style equipment
  • [19:44:42] <SpeedEvil> yeah
  • [19:44:51] <SpeedEvil> Basically - build up the pad in the middle with a solderblob
  • [19:44:55] <georgem> I suspect if they have multiple customers ordering large quantities of a part they're making an even larger buy from the manufacturer and they probably sell off the excess in single quantities
  • [19:44:57] <SpeedEvil> then reflow it with IR
  • [19:45:07] <SpeedEvil> Then use a tiny tip and solder
  • [19:45:17] <Spirilis> yeah, maybe I'll have to try QFN at some point. I do have a reflow skillet now and solder paste.
  • [19:45:21] <KotH> georgem: anyone doing large quantities will not buy from mouser
  • [19:45:24] <Spirilis> just been skittish about coming anywhere near it
  • [19:45:38] <KotH> georgem: the big distributors are a lot cheaper if you go >100 on most parts
  • [19:45:43] <Spirilis> KotH: that's also what I was thinking
  • [19:45:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Qt5CtUlqY
  • [19:45:48] <KotH> georgem: and if you go 10k, you buy directly from the manufacturer
  • [19:45:55] <Spirilis> who are these "big customers" using mouser and what qty are they commanding
  • [19:46:11] <georgem> its all relative
  • [19:46:14] <Spirilis> I may just send an email to mouser asking this question, guess I should...
  • [19:46:26] <SpeedEvil> - how to solder a QFN with soldering iron
  • [19:46:44] <KotH> SpeedEvil: works only with Pb solder
  • [19:46:59] <KotH> SpeedEvil: and only if the pads are going right to the edge
  • [19:47:10] <SpeedEvil> No
  • [19:47:16] <SpeedEvil> With SAC - see above
  • [19:47:23] <KotH> SAC?
  • [19:47:38] <blaaa> Soldering... I shiver when I think about my electric guitar, let alone small parts...
  • [19:47:41] <Spirilis> the other thing that amuses me is Mouser carries some of the Tiva-C (ARM Cortex-M4F) chips in single qty, a lot of them in fact. their "stock" isn't terribly high from what I recall, so I wonder if that was a special deal with TI to try and "get the chips out there"
  • [19:47:43] <KotH> ah.. hot air gun
  • [19:48:11] <KotH> yeah.. hot air gun works, but taht needs even more experience :)
  • [19:48:42] <KotH> Spirilis: probably got just a single reel of each and are now waiting to finish them
  • [19:48:43] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: N900 is omap3, no?
  • [19:48:51] <_av500_> thus the memory is POP NAND, no?
  • [19:48:52] <SpeedEvil> yes
  • [19:48:55] <SpeedEvil> yes
  • [19:48:59] <KotH> Spirilis: depending on whether they sell well enough they will either get a new real, or put it as non-stock
  • [19:49:03] <SpeedEvil> Well - it has POP and emmc
  • [19:49:08] <_av500_> ah
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  • [19:49:20] <Spirilis> KotH: yeah I can imagine that. Now they should do it with the MSP430G2955IDA38R :)
  • [19:49:33] <KotH> Spirilis: write them a mail
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  • [19:49:38] <SpeedEvil> I think that in principle there is a 1G RAM part - which would work - but ...
  • [19:49:48] <SpeedEvil> It can also boot from the MMC
  • [19:50:52] <KotH> SpeedEvil: wait a sec, you want to change a POP RAM module?
  • [19:50:57] <SpeedEvil> yes
  • [19:51:16] <SpeedEvil> Though I want to change the processor at the same time
  • [19:51:17] <KotH> oh...kay....what kind of god like equipment do you have at home?
  • [19:51:45] <SpeedEvil> Just IR/hot air.
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  • [19:52:10] <KotH> well..ok, then you have to change both at the same time :)
  • [19:52:12] <SpeedEvil> Also - it's kind of irrelevant as the part is not available
  • [19:52:16] <preplasma> hi
  • [19:52:30] * KotH ignites preplasma
  • [19:52:34] <SpeedEvil> I question have to. It's probably going to be a lot easier
  • [19:52:46] <KotH> SpeedEvil: have you ever soldered bga?
  • [19:52:50] <SpeedEvil> yes
  • [19:52:57] <KotH> or rather, have you ever unsoldered bga?
  • [19:53:21] <SpeedEvil> and again yes - and I'm aware of the issues.
  • [19:53:32] <SpeedEvil> It becomes a lot easier when it's a purely theoretical problem
  • [19:53:43] <KotH> *g*
  • [19:53:55] * SpeedEvil needs to get his laser solderer working
  • [19:54:20] <Spirilis> SpeedEvil: ooh, didn't realize they had "mini SMT stencils" to attack the problem.
  • [19:54:26] <Spirilis> SpeedEvil: just saw that in your youtube link
  • [19:54:44] <Spirilis> that was my main aversion to trying it with my reflow skillet, getting the solder paste down
  • [19:54:45] <SpeedEvil> Spirilis: That's not the approach I was thinking of.
  • [19:54:56] <preplasma> what is the best keyboard and mouse for the bbb ? usb other a hub or a wireless keyboard mouse bundle ?
  • [19:55:17] <SpeedEvil> Spirilis: The initial one was to level the pad with some solder - reflow with hot air - then use long pads sticking out from under the chip to reflow onto
  • [19:55:30] <SpeedEvil> the solder bump rises, contacts the chip, and reflows.
  • [19:55:49] <Spirilis> SpeedEvil: yeah, I see a couple approaches in there. I suspect using a mini stencil would be my optimal method since I don't have hot air
  • [19:56:01] <SpeedEvil> Hot air is cheap
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  • [19:56:21] <KotH> Spirilis: when you buy a pcb, you can get a stencil with it nearly for free. olimex, eurocircuits and others sell stencil sets
  • [19:56:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdGSFc7VjBE - also
  • [19:56:59] <KotH> only thing you need then is paste :)
  • [19:57:07] <Spirilis> yeah paste I have (Pb-based, even)
  • [19:57:08] <SpeedEvil> Vendors without stencils can be rather cheaper though
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  • [19:57:24] <SpeedEvil> Mikeselectricstuff - quick hints on quick SMT assembly
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  • [19:57:30] <preplasma> is a normal usb keyboard and a normal usb mouse ok for the bbb ? do i need a aktive hub ?
  • [19:57:43] <Spirilis> and I often either use oshpark or the cheap chinese guys (elecrow, seeed), I think they have stencils but the cost isn't nearly as trivial as their low-run small boards are
  • [19:57:59] <Spirilis> er oshpark doesn't, but elecrow or seeed I think offer stencils
  • [19:58:57] <SpeedEvil> preplasma: yes, a normal usb keyboard is fine
  • [19:59:24] <preplasma> hmm
  • [19:59:48] <preplasma> ok thx
  • [19:59:54] <preplasma> cu
  • [20:01:12] <preplasma> ah i use my oven to reflow @home
  • [20:02:12] <mru> this is how it's done: http://hardwarebug.org/files/beagle_toaster.jpg
  • [20:02:35] <Spirilis> haha nice
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  • [20:03:21] <mru> this is less good: http://hardwarebug.org/files/beagle_fried.jpg
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  • [20:05:51] <preplasma> haha no !
  • [20:09:20] <Spirilis> the latter is how I roll, albeit electric skillet with thermocouple sticking through the steam hole of the cover & triac switching the power
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  • [20:12:37] <maor_> I have BBB that doesn't light any led when it's connected to power, be it USB or 5V DC.
  • [20:13:06] <maor_> Tried booting from SD or from eMMC. Nothing.
  • [20:13:28] <maor_> The power seems OK, as this board worked. Also I have another BBB that behaves correctly.
  • [20:13:41] <maor_> Advice?
  • [20:14:16] <Spirilis> no LEDs turn on at all, including the power LED?
  • [20:15:02] <blaaa> Does nog sound ok
  • [20:15:14] <maor_> Power LED lit.
  • [20:15:31] <maor_> Ethernet LEDS blink
  • [20:15:49] <Spirilis> k, got an FTDI cable or suitable breakout board to watch the serial debug console?
  • [20:15:50] <blaaa> Try to boot from some microsd
  • [20:16:00] <blaaa> Or best the serial of course
  • [20:16:03] <maor_> tried it.
  • [20:16:10] <maor_> tried the SD, that is.
  • [20:16:30] <maor_> Don't have FTDI.
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  • [20:17:13] <Spirilis> yeah I generally think that beyond the most trivial issues, an FTDI is necessary to do work with these boards. only really need 1 that you can move between them. Do you have any other form of ttl/cmos-level UARTs? even an Arduino?
  • [20:18:26] <maor_> As a matter of fact, I do have some other boards. Some eclectic collection of STM discovery, arduino mega and PSOC 4.
  • [20:18:45] <maor_> From seminars and things.
  • [20:19:24] <Spirilis> k, the arduino mega might work. Write a sketch to it that does nothing, makes sure the RX & TX pins are set to Input mode so they don't load the lines, then run jumper wires from the primary RX & TX pins over to the TX & RX pins in the BBB's 6-pin header. Connect a similar jumper wire between the GND's.
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  • [20:19:52] <Spirilis> open up the arduino mega's UART with a terminal app of some type, set it to 115200/8/N/1 and plug in the BBB's power
  • [20:20:53] <Spirilis> er, let me verify which TX/RX pin goes where first.
  • [20:21:05] <Spirilis> I think it's TX from the arduino goes to TX on the bbb's 6-pin header, similar for RX
  • [20:21:21] <maor_> Don't I need to write a sketch to bridge between the UARTs?
  • [20:21:35] <Spirilis> Nah, write a sketch that tells the mega to stay hands-off
  • [20:21:56] <Spirilis> Then you're basically tieing the BBB into the mega's uart bridge that goes between the USB cable for the mega and the mega itself
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  • [20:22:04] <Spirilis> hijacking it for nefarious external use
  • [20:23:52] <maor_> I believe I got it.
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  • [20:24:26] <maor_> I'll need to get some jumper wires...
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  • [20:24:58] <maor_> proper ones, that it.
  • [20:24:58] <Spirilis> yeah, if you have a 1x6 female header (or can cut one from a larger 1x36 or 1x40 or whatever) it might be cool to have a dedicated header + wires for this so it's handy later on
  • [20:25:10] <Spirilis> soldering the wires to the pins of the female header
  • [20:25:29] <Spirilis> ...but that's if you're serious about not buying an FTDI cable :)
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  • [20:26:23] <maor_> I have some USB2UART with FTDI, RS232, RS485 at work. I'll use that. But for FTDI it still required proper jumpers.
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  • [20:26:46] <maor_> I'll need to get myself a decent jumper kit with all kinds of genders and lengths. No escaping that.
  • [20:26:52] <Spirilis> From what I know, this works with the bbb's FTDI 6-pin header, but don't try connecting the arduino mega's UART pins to the other UART pins in the P9/P8 expansion headers since they can only tolerate 3.3V maximum
  • [20:26:58] <m_billybob> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3oca40vrH-g/Ubd5TjD-0_I/AAAAAAAAALU/-GibZBaTvKk/s1024/beaglebone-black-serial.jpg
  • [20:27:06] <m_billybob> for the visually unimpared ;)
  • [20:27:13] <m_billybob> hi Spirilis
  • [20:27:17] <Spirilis> sup m_billybob
  • [20:27:22] <m_billybob> not a whole lot
  • [20:27:31] <m_billybob> how you ben ?
  • [20:27:42] <m_billybob> HVAC mess cleaned up ?
  • [20:27:44] <Spirilis> alright I guess, still no workbench downstairs, getting close to bringing it all back
  • [20:27:51] <m_billybob> :/
  • [20:27:54] <Spirilis> pretty much, insulating the ducts now
  • [20:28:19] <Spirilis> had drywall work done and it looks good, reorganized the garage, need to get an electrician in to do a proper code-approved expansion of the circuits in the basement though
  • [20:28:34] <Spirilis> (would do it myself but I can't pull permits here, and they are required if I ever plan to sell the house)
  • [20:28:59] <m_billybob> or just have the electrcian verfy your work ? dont know if you're ok with house electrical . . .
  • [20:29:10] <m_billybob> most ee's are
  • [20:29:42] <m_billybob> I think and this may be locale specific you can do all the work and pay an electrician to come in an inspect your work
  • [20:30:08] * KotH is allowed to do his home electrics himself
  • [20:30:16] <KotH> having an EE degree helps :)
  • [20:30:17] <Spirilis> yeah the permit process is what I'm confused about though, I think they send a county inspector to verify it but not sure if that's just written in the law and never enforced or what
  • [20:30:32] <m_billybob> right thats why you pay the electrcian
  • [20:30:41] <KotH> Spirilis: it's a insurance thing
  • [20:30:58] <Spirilis> ah yeah, probably
  • [20:31:00] <m_billybob> he inspects, paus off his county inspector buddy or whatever . . .copasetic ;)
  • [20:31:05] <Spirilis> well at that rate I might as well have the dude come in anyway
  • [20:31:08] <m_billybob> or yeah not really but you know what i mean
  • [20:31:12] <Spirilis> less crap on my plate to worry about
  • [20:31:25] * m_billybob nods
  • [20:32:13] <m_billybob> its all good. personally i dont like effign arodn with hvac
  • [20:32:43] <m_billybob> id wire up boxes when i worked on cell phone sites, but wouldnt get near them after power was applied
  • [20:32:52] <Spirilis> it's not too complicated, adding circuits to support the dehumidifiers and a ceiling fan/light fixture in the downstairs living room, but what I'm not sure about is getting the wires over to the locations & what is "code approved" in terms of different techniques for routing them
  • [20:33:21] <Spirilis> and what they can accomplish without ripping out the wall boards in the rooms
  • [20:33:47] <Spirilis> hard to describe but basically there's a stairwell in the middle of it all, so routing stuff around that is what I'm not sure about
  • [20:34:02] * m_billybob nods
  • [20:34:09] <Spirilis> so I figure someone with more experience would have a better idea about that
  • [20:34:45] <m_billybob> you possibly make more an hour at work anyhow so yeah pay a fraction of the ole paycheck so you dont have to deal with it ;)
  • [20:34:52] <Spirilis> yeah
  • [20:35:37] <m_billybob> err that pic i pasted a link earlier was for you and that person you were talkign to
  • [20:35:51] <m_billybob> makes it pretty plain, just like how i like it
  • [20:36:17] <m_billybob> same one i put up on beaglefu
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  • [20:36:46] <m_billybob> basically stole the pic of the bbb form somone else shopped it bam done
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  • [20:37:39] <brm> hey guys! Anyome know how to add usb gadget to a base beaglebone Yocto build?
  • [20:38:30] <m_billybob> define usb gadget
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  • [20:39:55] <m_billybob> Spirilis OMG lmao i almost nearly fell out of my chair
  • [20:39:58] <m_billybob> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10622
  • [20:40:33] <brm> I think the recipe is called gadget-init .. it is meant to add ethernet over usb device "gadget" and mass storage like the Angstome build
  • [20:41:02] <m_billybob> brm ok to the USB g_ether / g_multi driver module im assuming
  • [20:41:15] <m_billybob> so the*
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  • [20:42:00] <brm> when I add the gadget-init recepe boot complains of missing g_ther
  • [20:42:17] <woglinde> install the kernel module?
  • [20:42:33] <m_billybob> brm ok, ill have to defer to someone else who knows Yockto
  • [20:42:35] <woglinde> opkg update
  • [20:42:39] <brm> how do I do that auto on boot?
  • [20:42:41] <woglinde> opkg list | grep g_ether
  • [20:42:55] <woglinde> opkg install kernel-module-foo-g_ether
  • [20:43:32] <woglinde> aussuming you have a working connection on the board
  • [20:43:34] <woglinde> besides usb
  • [20:43:39] <brm> I don't want to use the package management .. want to build it in
  • [20:43:49] <woglinde> otherwise use sdcard or usbstick
  • [20:43:53] <woglinde> to copy stuff over
  • [20:44:06] <woglinde> than change the kernel config
  • [20:44:13] <woglinde> yocto docu will tell you how
  • [20:44:47] <woglinde> gn
  • [20:45:07] <brm> so .. I am configuring the kernel to include that module .. right?
  • [20:45:09] <lagrz> hey guys im somewhat of a noob with the beaglebone, and for whatever reason at set up on my mac the beaglebone start page does not recognize my installed drivers :(
  • [20:47:19] * m_billybob isnt good with MAC's
  • [20:47:21] <m_billybob> sprry
  • [20:47:25] <m_billybob> sorry too
  • [20:47:31] <lagrz> ah i see
  • [20:47:35] <lagrz> well thanks anyway
  • [20:47:37] <m_billybob> someone else may know
  • [20:48:17] <m_billybob> lagrz you may try looking on the groups ( beagleboard google groups ) i know theres been posts on there about the same thing
  • [20:48:26] <m_billybob> you'd ideally want to search first of course
  • [20:48:30] <lagrz> will do so thanks
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  • [21:05:14] <lagrz> is it a pretty common issue where a beaglebone board comes with missing '/var/lib/cloud9' folder?
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  • [21:19:21] <m_billybob> lagrz personally. I could not say. I dont run Angstrom on my own BBB's
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  • [22:51:13] <James_Johnson> so: I'm trying to boot a BeagleBoneBlack using nfsroot, and I'm getting this exact error condition: http://pastebin.com/SxycpshX
  • [22:51:35] <James_Johnson> and I found an IRC log of a guy asking about it in here
  • [22:51:51] <James_Johnson> I just wanted to know if anyone had figured that out
  • [22:52:19] <James_Johnson> (the pastebin log isn't from me, it's from the dude who asked about the problem before)
  • [22:52:40] <James_Johnson> I tried the fixes people mentioned in the IRC chatlog here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/beagle/beagle.20130309.txt
  • [22:52:42] <James_Johnson> with no luck
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  • [22:59:00] <nkts> Hi, how to check which version of BeableBoard/Armstrong is flashed to my bbb ?
  • [23:00:10] <nkts> /etc/issue has record stating "Angstrom v2012.12" - is this the latest version ?
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  • [23:07:20] <agmlego> That looks like that would be the version you have installed.
  • [23:07:32] <agmlego> Did you try checking the webstie to see if there was a newer version?
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  • [23:49:32] <wsmith101> Has *anyone* gotten angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 to build recently for the bbb?
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