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  • [02:39:29] <mrpackethead> trolls
  • [02:40:11] <_troll_> where?
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  • [02:48:44] <mru> connection reset by bear
  • [02:50:57] <mrpacket_> ..
  • [02:55:53] * mranostay connection reset by beer
  • [02:56:09] <mru> clearly
  • [02:56:35] <mranostay> oh wtf is jenkins doing
  • [03:01:50] <mru> jenkins as featured in http://basicinstructions.net/ ?
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  • [03:33:08] <m_billybob> hello everyone.
  • [03:34:26] <m_billybob> did everyone else have a bice bbq/beer filled day ?
  • [03:34:31] <m_billybob> nice . ..
  • [03:35:08] <mranostay> m_billybob: last night was fun...
  • [03:35:23] <m_billybob> but not tonight ?
  • [03:35:45] <m_billybob> our WDS router took a vacattion so yeah wasnt connected last night "/
  • [03:35:56] <mranostay> i woke up just in time to drag my cat to the vet
  • [03:36:37] <m_billybob> been workign on a friend car all day so yeah not so good today except excellent BBQ burgers and micro brew beer tonight
  • [03:36:43] <m_billybob> oh lovely, everything ok ?
  • [03:37:06] <mranostay> m_billybob: vaccines. need to register to cat to board it in the future
  • [03:37:31] <m_billybob> dogs are much easier to vaccinate . . .
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  • [03:37:47] <m_billybob> "c'mere" *doink* done
  • [03:38:16] <mranostay> m_billybob: really? it all the same
  • [03:38:35] <mranostay> however it isn't required in a lot of states to have vaccines on cats
  • [03:38:49] <mranostay> Multnomah county is one of two in Oregon that require it
  • [03:38:50] <m_billybob> dunno never really vaccinated a cat just my own interpitation.
  • [03:38:56] <m_billybob> we vaccinate our own dogs
  • [03:39:05] <m_billybob> well except rabies that has to be done by a vet
  • [03:39:22] <mranostay> m_billybob: you can self vaccinate?
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  • [03:39:34] <m_billybob> our dogs ? sure.
  • [03:39:40] <mranostay> yeah rabies you need proof
  • [03:39:41] <m_billybob> except for rabies
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  • [03:39:46] * m_billybob nods
  • [03:40:11] <mranostay> for cats and kennels you need distempter as well
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  • [03:40:49] <m_billybob> i think its the same for dogs, except hmm dont recall giving distempter. though might be included in a 5 in 1 shot yeah i think it is actually
  • [03:41:10] <m_billybob> we just pull the vaccination stickers off the bottle and put it on a vaccination "log"
  • [03:41:55] <m_billybob> but we also board other people dogs, so we dont exactly have to have our dogs in someone elses kennels
  • [03:42:13] <m_billybob> we used to breed professionally.
  • [03:42:21] <m_billybob> breed / board.
  • [03:42:37] <mranostay> professional dog pimp? :P
  • [03:42:45] <m_billybob> lol pretty much
  • [03:43:11] <m_billybob> german sheps gpoldens, choc labs akitas etc
  • [03:43:26] <m_billybob> st benards too
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  • [03:44:24] <mranostay> m_billybob: rum!!!!
  • [03:44:31] <m_billybob> right now we have 3 sheps an akita mix ( rescue dogs, and my buddy ) a rptwieller, and hmm a sheep dog, forget the breed name
  • [03:44:45] <m_billybob> rotweiller*
  • [03:46:14] <m_billybob> all large breed dogs
  • [03:46:30] <m_billybob> rum ?! been an killians irish stout night here
  • [03:46:43] <m_billybob> on sale locally . . .
  • [03:46:59] <mranostay> m_billybob: no st bernards
  • [03:47:19] <mranostay> or whatever they carry in that little keg
  • [03:47:29] <m_billybob> oh lol we havent had one for a while did have an english mastiff recently though. we found her a good home
  • [03:47:39] <mranostay> ah brandy
  • [03:47:44] <m_billybob> ah yeah
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  • [03:48:15] <m_billybob> funny you said that though we've ben known to do rm here ;)
  • [03:48:23] <m_billybob> rum*
  • [03:48:30] * mranostay stays away for hard liquor
  • [03:49:00] <m_billybob> heh me and my lady friend try to too. we can get pretty stupid and we will consume the whole bottle between the two of us
  • [03:49:09] <mranostay> i think i few manmosa were involved last night
  • [03:49:22] <m_billybob> hmmm ?
  • [03:49:37] <mranostay> Vodka, Blue Moon and OJ
  • [03:50:04] <m_billybob> you know whats good ? lime marguarita mix with vodka
  • [03:50:14] <m_billybob> lime vodka that is
  • [03:50:36] <m_billybob> or tequilla
  • [03:50:42] <m_billybob> to kill ya.
  • [03:50:57] <mranostay> tequilla never ends well
  • [03:51:26] <mranostay> does make you mean at least for me
  • [03:51:28] <m_billybob> too easy to get sh*tty on anything hard
  • [03:51:58] <m_billybob> its kind of like that movie with jack nicolson "honey im home !" BAM *drunk*
  • [03:52:19] <mranostay> m_billybob: usually ends "@#$@# it is 11p and i'm wasted already" :)
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  • [03:52:57] <m_billybob> i've ben kind of a wine fan lately.
  • [03:53:11] <m_billybob> something that isnt too sweet
  • [03:54:50] <m_billybob> yeah i know what you mean i dont like getting *drunk* i just want to relax and have a good time
  • [03:55:16] <mranostay> m_billybob: i usually don't either but it just ends that way :)
  • [03:55:50] <m_billybob> i try to avoid that any more usually sucessful but sometimes not
  • [03:56:53] <m_billybob> i think my lady friend is turning me into a partier *again* . . .
  • [03:57:08] <m_billybob> she liked her wine, and now i like her wine too lol
  • [03:57:13] <m_billybob> likes*
  • [04:02:07] <m_billybob> ah well
  • [04:04:53] <mranostay> m_billybob: red or white?
  • [04:05:00] <m_billybob> red
  • [04:05:56] <m_billybob> most of my life ive hated wine, now i think ive found one i can live with
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  • [04:06:08] <m_billybob> but it does sneek up on ya
  • [04:06:11] <mranostay> women have that effect
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  • [04:06:33] <m_billybob> its not only that, beer gets too filling, and doesnt always taste good
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  • [04:06:55] <m_billybob> this stuff i like the taste and yeah idk it just works
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  • [04:07:29] <mranostay> m_billybob: crappy "beer" you mean
  • [04:07:56] <m_billybob> i dont like pilsnery tasting beers at all most of my friends like that stuff
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  • [04:08:08] <m_billybob> i like a good dry beer
  • [04:08:27] <m_billybob> and german "yeast beer"
  • [04:08:35] <mranostay> m_billybob: i hate that portland loves too hoppy beers
  • [04:08:38] <m_billybob> weissen
  • [04:08:59] <m_billybob> yeah i call it acitone beer lol dont know what else to call it
  • [04:09:55] <m_billybob> killian irish stout is that way, but since i didnt buy it i delt with it
  • [04:10:36] <m_billybob> also its a dark beer by taste anyhow and i dont like those much either
  • [04:11:05] <m_billybob> again, i didnt buy so . .yeah.
  • [04:12:45] <mranostay> ew killians
  • [04:12:48] <m_billybob> i used to like micolob dry back in the day
  • [04:13:02] <mranostay> heresy!
  • [04:13:03] <m_billybob> but not exactly a good beer either
  • [04:13:08] <mranostay> burn him!
  • [04:13:35] <m_billybob> left germany in the mid 80's got lost after that
  • [04:13:58] <m_billybob> ahh beer was sh*t after i left germany
  • [04:14:03] <m_billybob> all*
  • [04:14:22] <mranostay> m_billybob: you german? or served in the army?
  • [04:14:35] <m_billybob> ex military.
  • [04:14:57] <m_billybob> yeah served 3 years in germany
  • [04:15:48] <m_billybob> got back before i was 21, couldnt buy beer or any alcohol, and had already been drining for 3 years . . .
  • [04:18:03] <mranostay> heh
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  • [05:28:39] <m_billybob> early bed time me thinks
  • [05:28:45] * m_billybob yawns
  • [05:29:24] <m_billybob> project been taking the back seat to everything lately is seems . ..
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  • [05:55:34] * mranostay harlem shakes next door to the bar
  • [05:56:21] <BITS> have anyone worked with RTLinux on BB-xm?
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  • [06:02:11] <mranostay> hey joel_
  • [06:02:23] * mranostay steals a few liver credits from joel_
  • [06:02:29] <BITS> have anyone worked with RTLinux on BB-xm?
  • [06:03:20] <joel_> mranostay, hehe
  • [06:03:21] <mranostay> asking again isn't going to help
  • [06:05:13] <mranostay> ok PCB business cards ordered
  • [06:05:23] * mranostay goes to get blitzed
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  • [06:18:58] <BITS> have anyone worked with RTLinux on BB-xm?
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  • [06:27:18] <mrpackethead> trolls!
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  • [06:30:38] <mranostay> mrpackethead: goddamn right
  • [06:37:44] <mrpackethead> i'm about to ship my first bbb's going into a produciton system tommorrow
  • [06:38:33] <mrpackethead> "cco does not warranty or guareentee any particular operation!
  • [06:39:27] <ka6sox> p00f
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  • [06:42:01] <mrpackethead> cool trick
  • [06:42:06] <mrpackethead> take a $45 bbb
  • [06:42:19] <mrpackethead> add some softare, hardware, box, psu, intergtate a solution
  • [06:42:25] <mrpackethead> and its now a $10,000 box
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  • [07:01:06] <chaitanya> Hello
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  • [07:01:49] <chaitanya> Can u tell me How to control GPIO of Beagle?? I mean in which langauge can i profram it?
  • [07:02:19] <chaitanya> I mean which langauge must be used to program it?
  • [07:03:29] <kblin> it's a linux sytem. pretty much every language you can run on linux
  • [07:03:59] <chaitanya> I see.
  • [07:04:17] <chaitanya> Which langauge is suitable for begineer?
  • [07:04:34] <desaster> python, for example
  • [07:04:43] <chaitanya> Okk Thanks.....
  • [07:04:54] <desaster> i think basic gpio stuff can be done by file accesses in /sys ?
  • [07:05:04] <kblin> if you already know some arduino programming, look at bonescript
  • [07:05:15] <chaitanya> and also wnat to know How its performance on controlling CNC?
  • [07:06:59] <kblin> no idea. if you know what performance you need, try it and see if the board is sufficient
  • [07:07:06] <chaitanya> Ok
  • [07:07:31] <chaitanya> By the ways thanks for guidance
  • [07:07:39] <chaitanya> thank you very much
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  • [09:57:55] <KotH> mrpackethead: go to bed, you're drunk</av500>
  • [09:57:58] <KotH> er..
  • [09:58:03] <KotH> mranostay: go to bed, you're drunk</av500>
  • [09:58:07] * KotH is not fully awake yet
  • [09:58:11] <mrpackethead> i'm not drunk
  • [09:58:15] <mrpackethead> but i'm rather shaken still
  • [09:58:23] <KotH> poor kwiw
  • [09:58:25] <KotH> er..
  • [09:58:26] <KotH> poor kiwi
  • [09:58:34] * KotH goes back to bed
  • [09:58:34] <mranostay> i'm drunk but not sleeping
  • [09:58:44] <mranostay> lame KotH
  • [09:59:03] <KotH> lame?
  • [09:59:11] <KotH> unlike you i have to leave the house to get drunk!
  • [10:00:06] <mranostay> boo i was over at the bar next door
  • [10:03:03] <KotH> wow! how did you manage that long trip back home?
  • [10:03:19] <mranostay> KotH: bite me mofo
  • [10:03:40] <KotH> no thanks, you are not kosher
  • [10:04:08] <mranostay> alcohol kills all
  • [10:04:59] * mranostay wonders how fired his Kernel Summit hobbyist submission can get him
  • [10:05:14] <KotH> " An unidentified Taiwanese woman died of alcohol intoxication after immersion for twelve hours in a bathtub filled with 40% ethanol. Her blood alcohol content was 1.35%. It was believed that she had immersed herself as a response to the SARS epidemic."
  • [10:05:30] <mranostay> nice....
  • [10:05:30] <KotH> mranostay: what did you submit?
  • [10:06:04] <mranostay> beaglebone "vendor" tree to mainline
  • [10:06:15] <KotH> why should that get you fired?
  • [10:06:31] <mranostay> america companies :)
  • [10:06:41] <KotH> hmm... does intel have one of these "thou shall not have any other processeors beside me!" comandments?
  • [10:07:00] <mranostay> KotH: at will employmeny here
  • [10:07:17] <mranostay> they don't like the colour of my shirt they can fire me
  • [10:07:36] * KotH knows why he stays in europe
  • [10:09:40] <ynezz> I doubt they'll fire someone valuable :p
  • [10:10:16] * KotH is not really valuable
  • [10:10:25] * KotH is just a know-it-all asshole
  • [10:11:36] <mranostay> ynezz: big companies it doesn't matter
  • [10:12:00] <mranostay> there are people that babysit bash scripts that have more job security
  • [10:13:20] <KotH> that sounds like you are in the wrong group
  • [10:15:05] * mranostay should have been born in france
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  • [10:15:57] <_SY_> hello
  • [10:16:01] <KotH> huh? you like wine?
  • [10:16:05] <suihkulokki> babysitting bash scripts is highly technical talent
  • [10:16:07] <KotH> i thought you are a beer person?
  • [10:16:07] <mranostay> i hate this culture of you don't work over 40 hours you are a "slacker"
  • [10:16:39] <suihkulokki> chances are the alternative would be someone copypasting lines in excel
  • [10:16:46] * KotH is not even working 40h/week
  • [10:16:47] <mranostay> KotH: 1664 sucks yes
  • [10:17:11] <mranostay> we all die working long hours is silly
  • [10:17:25] <_SY_> In my experience those that work the hardest are paid the least.
  • [10:17:42] * mranostay thinks americans culture of believing in afterlife is blame
  • [10:17:43] <KotH> it's not bad unless you have a word for diying-from-exhaustion-at-work... like the japanese do
  • [10:17:46] <mranostay> _SY_: +1
  • [10:18:05] <_SY_> live bee's the workers work 24/7 from the time they are born till the time they die....poor workers
  • [10:18:22] <_SY_> *like
  • [10:18:48] <KotH> _SY_: actually, it's different: those who get the most money are those who "produce" something intangible. the more difficult it is to measure what you do, the more you earn
  • [10:19:34] <_SY_> Not strictly true...I work for a couple of people that actually don't do much at all...just take big salaries...hence I won't be working for them much longer.
  • [10:20:08] <_SY_> Sorry I see what you mean...
  • [10:20:34] <_SY_> But always seems that those that do the most and hold the company together are actually rewarded the least.
  • [10:20:45] <KotH> juup
  • [10:20:59] <KotH> they care too much about they work to hagle for more salary
  • [10:21:12] <mranostay> _SY_: problem with big companies that people are around that do nothing
  • [10:21:32] <mranostay> but can play the system enough to get paid
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  • [10:22:00] <_SY_> In big companies its a different problem, people can hide away unnoticed for years doing very little....where as in smaller companies its easier to spot the wasters
  • [10:22:46] <KotH> spot the wasters? any good team leader can do that. what's different is that big companies can afford those, small companies cannot
  • [10:22:57] <_SY_> Usually what happens in a big company is that people are promoted to there level of incompetance, which normally means that those that are useless end up running the company.
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  • [10:23:43] <KotH> that too
  • [10:23:46] <KotH> dilbert applies
  • [10:24:05] <mranostay> heh
  • [10:24:33] <_SY_> just had a great week away on holiday, the only thing wrong with holidays is the feeling you get when its all over and you have to go back to the office....time to find a new job :)
  • [10:24:48] <mranostay> heh
  • [10:26:25] <KotH> _SY_: hehe..same here
  • [10:26:41] <KotH> _SY_: the moment i stop caring about what i'm doing is the moment i need to look for a new job.. quickly
  • [10:27:45] <_SY_> I'm gearing up to go back to contracting...think thats the only way I'm going to be happy....that way I can do a whole bunch of stuff legally and still earn a lot more.
  • [10:28:55] * mranostay would love to do contracting but the lulls are scary
  • [10:29:12] <KotH> lulls?
  • [10:29:19] <mranostay> no work
  • [10:29:27] <KotH> life is scary
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  • [10:29:41] <mranostay> yes it is
  • [10:29:47] <_SY_> Security in a job is an illusion, people think they are safer being employed, but the reality is that you are just as likely to be laid off due to rationalisation as an employee.
  • [10:30:14] <mranostay> can i be unborn? :)
  • [10:30:15] <_SY_> As a contractor you can earn double and pay less tax legally, so you have a buffer.
  • [10:30:28] <KotH> mranostay: man! you're young, you dont have family, you are not bound to one place. you can always go back to what you are doing now. what are you scared of?
  • [10:30:51] <KotH> _SY_: you have to have a buffer
  • [10:31:39] <mranostay> in america you have to live paycheque to paycheque :P
  • [10:31:47] <KotH> our company does contract work... in 2009 we were nearly bankcrupt because we had a total of 3 small projects (usually it's in the order of 10 midsized per year)
  • [10:31:51] <_SY_> I am 43, four kids, 2 of which are in Uni now...no.3 just left school, about to start college, no.4 still in school....I pay a lot more tax as an employee than I would as a contractor, I know I could earn upwards of 80K as a contractor and pay half the tax.
  • [10:32:11] <KotH> if $boss wouldnt had prepared reserves for this, i would have lost my job
  • [10:32:26] <KotH> mranostay: why?
  • [10:32:36] <KotH> mranostay: can't you save money?
  • [10:32:36] <mranostay> KotH: we are stupid :P
  • [10:32:50] <KotH> mranostay: stupidity is something personal
  • [10:32:54] <mranostay> <-- has a year of barebones savings
  • [10:32:59] <KotH> mranostay: you dont have to live like everyone lese
  • [10:33:06] <mranostay> i don't :)
  • [10:33:23] <mranostay> <-- grew up poor as shit
  • [10:33:37] <KotH> _SY_: 80k in what currency?
  • [10:33:43] <KotH> _SY_: gbp?
  • [10:33:48] <_SY_> GBP
  • [10:33:54] <KotH> o_0
  • [10:34:06] <mranostay> 80k? that isn't a lot
  • [10:34:14] <KotH> it isnt
  • [10:34:22] <mranostay> unless you are in Iowa
  • [10:34:28] <mranostay> or Ohio
  • [10:34:40] <KotH> that's about the average salary of an 30 something EE employee in .ch
  • [10:34:49] <_SY_> Its enough....the going rate for contractors in the UK hasn't really changed in 20 years.
  • [10:34:56] <mranostay> ouch
  • [10:35:00] <KotH> :-(
  • [10:35:27] <_SY_> In comparision, electricians, plumbers etc now earn more than qualified engineers.
  • [10:35:38] <KotH> ouch
  • [10:35:53] <KotH> then you, as engineers in general, did something wrong
  • [10:36:33] <_SY_> The thing is that as a contractor I can earn ?80,000 and pay 20% tax....but as an employee if I was paid ?80,000 I would pay over 40% in tax.
  • [10:36:45] <KotH> salary in general is a function of what people demand to earn. if everyone just says they want to earn a little bit more than they get offered, salaries will rise over the years
  • [10:36:54] <KotH> 40%???
  • [10:37:07] <KotH> you are not living in a scandinavian country!
  • [10:37:24] <_SY_> The higher rate for tax in the UK is currenlty ?43,000
  • [10:37:38] <KotH> i pay around 12% or so
  • [10:37:47] <KotH> and that's because i dont have kids and live alone
  • [10:37:48] <_SY_> lucky you :)
  • [10:38:00] <_SY_> I pay 40% on quite a lot of my income.
  • [10:38:12] <mranostay> heh in the US you pay more tax as a contracor
  • [10:38:14] <KotH> it would be probably 20% if i'd earn 300k chf a year....
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  • [10:38:23] <mranostay> and have to float your insurance
  • [10:38:27] <Splat725> Hello all!
  • [10:38:33] <KotH> greetings Splat725
  • [10:38:43] <_SY_> In the US taxes are very low, just look at fuel....we get screwedin the UK for tax on fuel.
  • [10:38:58] <KotH> Splat725: what do you work, how much do you earn and what percentage do you "spend" on taxes?
  • [10:39:02] <mranostay> well frankly fuel tax in the US needs to be much higher
  • [10:39:28] <Splat725> I am a student :|
  • [10:39:34] <Splat725> High school
  • [10:39:35] <mranostay> public transit only exists in like a dozen cities
  • [10:39:47] <KotH> Splat725: oh.. enjoy your life while you can! :)
  • [10:39:56] <Splat725> Trust me I am!
  • [10:40:01] <_SY_> I drive a 1.4 litre Mazda 2, it costs be 40 GBP to fill it up, much of that is tax...when I was in the US, I drove a 5 litre dodge 4x4, that cost me 5 dollars to fill up.
  • [10:40:03] <KotH> Splat725: no, you are not!
  • [10:40:07] <mranostay> Splat725: finish college!
  • [10:40:12] <KotH> Splat725: it's sunday evening and you are at home at your computer
  • [10:40:19] <KotH> Splat725: go out man! meet people!
  • [10:40:23] <KotH> Splat725: or read a good book ;)
  • [10:40:28] <mranostay> Splat725: go get laid!
  • [10:40:40] <Splat725> :|
  • [10:40:41] <KotH> Splat725: dont listen to mranostay, he is a drunk usian
  • [10:40:47] <mranostay> whoa is it 4a...
  • [10:40:51] <Splat725> I came here to talk about the beaglebone :P
  • [10:41:02] <KotH> we dont talk about the beaglebone here
  • [10:41:04] <_SY_> whats your question?
  • [10:41:23] <mranostay> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/146
  • [10:41:44] <_SY_> :P
  • [10:41:51] <Splat725> No question, I was thinking of using one as the core of a robot I planed to build
  • [10:41:58] <KotH> mranostay: you know what's funny: when i was in highschool, most people didnt get laid until after graduating from hs
  • [10:42:11] <mranostay> KotH: yes same here...
  • [10:42:27] <mranostay> Splat725: core?
  • [10:42:44] <mranostay> PRUs or the ARM core?
  • [10:42:56] <KotH> mranostay: core as the center of the robot
  • [10:43:03] <Splat725> Wrong term possibly? The heart, the life line, the conrtoller?
  • [10:43:18] <Splat725> What KotH said ;)
  • [10:43:20] <KotH> Splat725: nah.. right term. mranostay is drunk, really
  • [10:43:32] <mranostay> KotH: semi-sober
  • [10:43:37] <mranostay> just late
  • [10:43:41] <KotH> Splat725: and "core" has different meanings and is more often used as "processor core"
  • [10:44:02] <Splat725> Highschool in australia goes from years 7 to 12 and ages 13 to 18. I am 18. For anyone interested
  • [10:44:02] <_SY_> I've done some pretty cool stuff with my two BBB....got them clustered together, running high availability mysql multi-master, with my own floating IP manager, all works well...have also written a modbus slave driver for ethernet that puts the I/O into the SQL database.
  • [10:44:15] <KotH> mranostay: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/171 ;)
  • [10:44:22] <Splat725> I am aware :P That's why I figured I used the wrong term KotH
  • [10:44:53] <mranostay> KotH: i need to send that page to my mom.. she wouldn't be proud :P
  • [10:45:33] <KotH> mranostay: :-)
  • [10:45:40] <KotH> mranostay: say hi to her from us :)
  • [10:46:23] <KotH> Splat725: so what's your question about the bbb?
  • [10:46:23] <Splat725> I am using a Raspberry Pi at the moment
  • [10:46:28] <KotH> ugh!
  • [10:46:38] <KotH> well.. you are young and didnt know better ;-)
  • [10:46:55] * mranostay zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • [10:47:09] <KotH> mranostay: sleep well.. and dont let panto bite you in your sleep
  • [10:47:10] <Splat725> My main question was where to source a BBB in australia
  • [10:47:29] <KotH> Splat725: whats wrong with digikey, mouser, farnell?
  • [10:48:46] <Splat725> The fact I had never heard of any of them!
  • [10:49:07] <KotH> Splat725: http://beagleboard.org/
  • [10:49:17] <KotH> Splat725: there is a "purchage" drop down menu
  • [10:49:24] <KotH> Splat725: use that to find one of the sellers :)
  • [10:49:46] <KotH> i dont know which one is the cheapest to buy from .au
  • [10:50:08] <KotH> oh.. and you want to bookmark mouser and digikey
  • [10:50:15] <Splat725> What is the difference between the Black Beaglebone and the White one (I know it isn't referred to as the white one but the name has escaped me, I think it was a dev one)
  • [10:50:17] <KotH> best places to buy all kind of electronic components
  • [10:50:29] <KotH> mostly different processor
  • [10:50:52] <KotH> for your thing bbb is better than the bbw because it's cheaper :)
  • [10:51:14] <Splat725> Of course, I just saw the two and the price difference and was curios!
  • [10:51:17] <KotH> and yes, it's nowadays refered to as beagle bone white
  • [10:51:46] <KotH> the price difference comes mostly from different expectations at the design phase
  • [10:52:01] <KotH> the bbb was optimized for low price and is produced in larger batches
  • [10:52:21] <KotH> while the bbw tried to be complete with everything and was/is produced in "low" volumes
  • [10:52:23] <Splat725> So the main difference is the white is more powerful?
  • [10:52:46] <KotH> i dont think the bbw is more powerfull than the bbb
  • [10:52:58] <KotH> but i dont know the specs of the two boards from the top of my head
  • [10:53:09] <Splat725> How many GPIO pins are programmable on the BBB?
  • [10:53:19] <KotH> that's written in the manual
  • [10:53:50] <KotH> _SY_: do you have time to take over?
  • [10:53:55] <KotH> _SY_: i should get up and get some work done
  • [10:54:48] <_SY_> sorry, what do you mean?
  • [10:55:14] <KotH> take over the channel duty while i'm afk :)
  • [10:55:33] <Splat725> Hello SY :)
  • [10:55:37] <_SY_> I don't think I know enough about IRC to do the job
  • [10:55:42] <_SY_> hello Splat725
  • [10:55:54] <Splat725> What's up? How are you?
  • [10:56:05] <_SY_> I'm ok, messing with Node atm...
  • [10:56:57] <Splat725> I will try not to bother you too much
  • [10:57:14] <_SY_> np...ask me whatever you like :)
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  • [10:58:16] <Splat725> I assume you use the BBB regularly?
  • [10:58:28] <_SY_> Yes...for my own projects.
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  • [10:59:14] <Splat725> Anything Mechatronic?
  • [10:59:40] <_SY_> I haven't with BBB, I've designed an written a ROV control system years ago...
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  • [10:59:42] <_SY_> on PC.
  • [11:00:44] <Splat725> I have been playing around with some motor and light controls with a Raspberry Pi
  • [11:01:18] <_SY_> using what language?
  • [11:01:24] <Splat725> Python
  • [11:02:22] <_SY_> ok, I'm no expert in python...for motor control I would have thought C/C++ would be better suited.
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  • [11:03:38] <Splat725> Python doesn't seem to work all that bad for this, Basically all I was doing was turning on some motors with a wiimote
  • [11:03:49] <_SY_> For motor control you will probably want some kind of closed loop control such as PID, which requires good timing.
  • [11:04:39] <SpeedEvil> If actually controlling a brushless motor - it's likely that the PRUs will be nearly ideal
  • [11:04:49] <Splat725> Brushed motor
  • [11:05:03] <SpeedEvil> For brushed - pwm units will work fine
  • [11:06:07] <Splat725> Thank you
  • [11:06:52] <KotH> Splat725: you dont need a control loop for a motor if you use it just for motion. just set the ratio of the pwm and you get a speed that is nearly constant over a flat surface
  • [11:07:12] <KotH> Splat725: if you need positioning, buy a servo, like the ones use in model planes
  • [11:07:43] <Splat725> I saw a video of someone who made a rover on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neiOY1Uy6g8) and thoight it would be a good idea to make my own!
  • [11:07:49] <KotH> Splat725: there you can set the position of the servo using pwm and dont have to care about writing a tight control loop (which is not easy unles you know what you are doing)
  • [11:07:56] <Splat725> I have a number of them handy KotH so that would be perfect
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  • [11:08:32] <_SY_> The control loop comes in if you need to change direction, for example in an ROV the motors control thrust, heading and altitude.
  • [11:08:39] <KotH> Splat725: you can see in the video that the "head" is moved by such servos
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  • [11:09:19] <Splat725> I am aware, my father and I have been aircraft modelling for about 3 years now1
  • [11:10:17] <_SY_> I g2g...should be back later, have fun
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  • [11:18:46] <Splat725> The BBB uses an SD card for the OS?
  • [11:19:17] <SpeedEvil> It can
  • [11:19:24] <SpeedEvil> It can also boot from internal flash
  • [11:19:43] <Splat725> What's the largest SD card that is compatible with the BBB
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  • [11:20:41] <mru> Splat725: 10x15mm
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  • [11:22:21] <KotH> mru: be nice to Splat725, he is a high school student
  • [11:22:24] <KotH> :)
  • [11:22:59] <mru> I answered the question
  • [11:23:03] <KotH> Splat725: size is less a matter than type
  • [11:23:16] <mru> now had he asked for the highest capacity supported...
  • [11:23:26] <KotH> Splat725: often some brands exhibit some quirks that make them impossible to use in such an application
  • [11:23:54] <KotH> Splat725: just get a cheap one from the local store and try it. if it doesnt work, get another one
  • [11:23:56] <mru> what application?
  • [11:24:32] <Splat725> I read a lot of people were purchasing 128GB SD cards and they were finding them incompatable with their RPis
  • [11:25:10] <mru> those would be sdxc
  • [11:25:45] <KotH> Splat725: incompatible? as in "does not get full size" or "does not work at all"
  • [11:25:48] <KotH> ?
  • [11:26:21] <Splat725> With an i yes, sorry
  • [11:26:29] <mru> aren't sdxc cards supposed to simply be clipped to 32G in an sdhc-only device?
  • [11:26:37] <Splat725> And I can't remember exactly
  • [11:26:50] <KotH> mru: shouldnt sdhc -> sdxc be a software thing?
  • [11:26:55] <Splat725> Let me see if I can find the thread
  • [11:27:11] <mru> like large hard drives on an ata controller without lba48
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  • [11:27:24] <KotH> oh...
  • [11:27:27] <KotH> yes..
  • [11:27:30] * KotH is stupid
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  • [11:28:00] <mru> I don't remember if the host controller needs to support sdxc
  • [11:28:06] <mru> there's definitely software involved
  • [11:28:38] <mru> as usual, the difference is the addressable unit size and the number of address bits
  • [11:28:59] <Splat725> Must have been reading about something else, I can find threads saying they will work, none saying otherwise, so no problem
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  • [11:33:21] <mru> then there's a lot of confusion on the internet regarding exfat
  • [11:33:44] <mru> there is absolutely no requirement to use exfat on sdxc cards
  • [11:34:11] <KotH> uhmm... doesnt the standard demand that any compliend sdxc device can read exfat?
  • [11:34:21] <KotH> or am i imagining things?
  • [11:34:29] <mru> exfat is most definitely a software thing
  • [11:34:38] * KotH hasnt read the standard in detail yet
  • [11:34:44] <mru> there's nothing in the card itself that requires it
  • [11:34:48] <KotH> sure
  • [11:35:01] <mru> the spec may well mandate it for micrsoft royalty reasons
  • [11:35:34] <mru> but if you don't care about displaying the logo, you can do whatever you want
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  • [11:39:02] <mru> KotH: what quirks were you talking about earlier?
  • [11:40:23] <KotH> mru: sdcard type <-> uC compatibility
  • [11:40:41] <mru> type meaning what?
  • [11:40:43] <mru> brand?
  • [11:40:50] <KotH> mru: i had bad experiences with using certain sdcards on some uC/uP?'s
  • [11:40:57] <KotH> yes, brand, specific type
  • [11:41:12] <mru> even with 'good' brands like sandisk and samsung?
  • [11:41:16] <KotH> yes
  • [11:41:32] <mru> how do you know the quirk wasn't in your controller?
  • [11:41:33] <KotH> e.g. pandaboard wont boot with some sandisk
  • [11:41:40] <KotH> it just does not recognize them
  • [11:41:53] <mru> hmm, haven't seen that
  • [11:42:04] <KotH> i cannot say what exactly it is, but i know there is an issue there
  • [11:42:18] <KotH> probably due to cutting corners at either the sd controller or on the card itself
  • [11:43:39] <mru> all my sd cards have at least one corner cut
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  • [11:58:08] <KotH> meh.. blew a fuse...
  • [11:58:13] <KotH> and it's not an electronic type
  • [11:58:20] <mru> no ups?
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  • [11:58:58] <mru> the individually fused power plugs we have in britain have some advantages
  • [11:59:42] <narcos> Hey all. Does anyone know if there's a single board computer smaller than the Pi/Bone? Ideally one without video/audio/ethernet
  • [11:59:47] <narcos> Smaller the better.
  • [12:00:02] <mru> how much cpu power do you need?
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  • [12:01:20] <narcos> I'd hope for >400Mhz/128MB ram
  • [12:01:29] <narcos> but Somewhere around that mark would be OK I think
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  • [12:04:05] <SpeedEvil> narcos: dx.com
  • [12:04:13] <SpeedEvil> Or
  • [12:04:24] <SpeedEvil> http://shop.8devices.com/carambola
  • [12:04:40] <SpeedEvil> Does not however have 128M
  • [12:05:00] <narcos> Great! I'm checking those links out
  • [12:05:26] <narcos> That carambola has WiFi too, brilliant.
  • [12:05:30] <SpeedEvil> http://dx.com/p/m2a-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-black-4gb-1gb-ram-147979
  • [12:05:36] <SpeedEvil> Foir example
  • [12:06:02] <SpeedEvil> I dunno if there are similar ones with more RAM
  • [12:07:15] <narcos> My overall requirements are: very small, particularly flat (which helps of Ethernet/video/etc are not present), WiFi, USB powered, USB hub (two pref).
  • [12:07:22] <KotH> mru: i usually dont need one
  • [12:07:42] <mru> I don't usually need one either
  • [12:07:50] <mru> but when I do, it's a damn nice thing to have
  • [12:08:14] <KotH> well.. i have to rebuild my fileserver somewhen soon
  • [12:08:21] <KotH> will buy an apc with the rest
  • [12:08:53] <mru> I'm pleased with mine so far
  • [12:09:55] <narcos> Do you know if there are any 'build your own' single board computer shops? i.e. I select from a list which hardare options I want ?
  • [12:10:11] <SpeedEvil> Generally not
  • [12:10:12] <mru> that would get expensive
  • [12:10:15] <narcos> I guess half way between a stock unit, and paying for a completely custom unit
  • [12:10:18] <SpeedEvil> Simply as mass production kills it
  • [12:10:27] <narcos> Yeah I guess.
  • [12:10:39] <SpeedEvil> In principle - sure, it's possible
  • [12:10:44] <mru> the 'custom' laptops you can order are actually not all that custom
  • [12:10:48] <SpeedEvil> Though it tends to have issues
  • [12:11:00] <mru> guess why some options are tied
  • [12:11:06] <SpeedEvil> For example - if you don't want wifi - the board area will still be there.
  • [12:11:18] <mru> weird stuff like you can't have extra ram without the large ssd
  • [12:11:18] <narcos> ah ok
  • [12:13:36] <KotH> narcos: even if you reuse cpu+ram+flash layout, it's still a day or two of work to get everything else done you'd want. and it's all manual labor that you cannot really automate
  • [12:14:23] <KotH> narcos: for production, setup costs of a small board like the bbb are somewhere around 500 and 1000 usd. and with that you have not yet produced a single board. or bought the components
  • [12:15:19] <narcos> KotH: OK, gotcha.
  • [12:15:32] <narcos> Maybe I can kickstart a few thousand units.
  • [12:15:33] <KotH> narcos: you can do cheaper if you use a shop in china, but then there are other risks that make it more expensive
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  • [12:16:15] <narcos> The Pi was eventually built in China wasn't it? Despite wanting to be 100% British
  • [12:16:29] <Widget> hi
  • [12:16:42] <KotH> narcos: uhmm.. if you do a couple thousand boards, you need to develop and build a test system for those boards-> at least a week, if not two of development, and a couple thousand usd for implementation
  • [12:16:43] <mru> there's nothing british about it
  • [12:16:46] <Widget> the pi was initially built in china, now wales by sony
  • [12:16:52] <mru> if you don't believe that, go look up broadcom
  • [12:17:24] <KotH> narcos: oh, and apply something in the range of 100-200usd/h cost for development
  • [12:17:46] <KotH> or tl;dr: electronics aint cheap
  • [12:17:57] <narcos> KotH: OK.
  • [12:19:17] * narcos should stick to software.
  • [12:19:29] <narcos> variables are cheap.
  • [12:20:28] <Widget> is the linux-omap git repo the best kernel to grab for the beagleboard xm? the 3.2.28 one in angstrom appears to have some usb bugs in for me
  • [12:24:48] <vvu> any idea how the 3.8 kernel for BBB maps eMMC and uSD when booted from ram? which is /dev/mmcblk0 ?
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  • [12:29:59] <dnil> vvu, "find /sys/devices/ocp.2/ | grep mmcblk" might give you a hint
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  • [12:41:28] <narcos> Hm, this seems small / decent - http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7600
  • [12:41:52] <narcos> and it has a RTC, don't know why more boards don't.
  • [12:42:11] <mru> because time is overrated
  • [12:42:25] <narcos> heh
  • [12:42:29] <mru> if you really need to know the time, you'll use ntp or gps or something anyway
  • [12:43:06] <narcos> It's useful for indoor, offline devices that occasionally reboot
  • [12:43:22] <mru> if they're offline, who cares?
  • [12:43:34] <mru> my toaster works fine whatever time it thinks it is
  • [12:43:38] <narcos> Data collection units.
  • [12:43:47] <narcos> where the data collected is time dependent.
  • [12:43:51] <mru> my coffee maker has a clock, but it drifts so badly it's not even funny
  • [12:44:18] <mru> it still makes coffee though
  • [12:45:03] <narcos> I guess my uses cases are not common
  • [12:45:14] <mru> if the time actually matters, you'll want to set it from a reliable source
  • [12:45:56] <narcos> Yeah I ended up using 3G internet connectivity and NTP
  • [12:46:27] <narcos> which required adding a powered USB hub as 3G modem's have quite a high peak requirement, esp if signal is poor
  • [12:46:41] <narcos> Well, point being a RTC could have made things simpler.
  • [12:46:59] <mru> you could of course have a system that can only synchronise occasionally, say a submarine, but you need to keep time between those instances
  • [12:47:27] <_av500_> eek, ARM9
  • [12:47:32] <mru> but the kind of cheap rtc you'd find on a board is so inaccurate that it would likely be useless
  • [12:47:40] <narcos> ahhh ok
  • [12:47:45] <_av500_> use a DS1307
  • [12:47:48] <_av500_> as RTC
  • [12:47:56] * narcos Googles
  • [12:48:04] <_av500_> they kept time for several years for me
  • [12:48:13] <mru> at least my PC RTCs drift considerably
  • [12:48:15] <narcos> ah, cute.
  • [12:48:47] <mru> which is odd, since a cheap quartz watch manages much better
  • [12:48:47] <narcos> Zoinks @ the time, gotta go, thanks for the help all. See you later.
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  • [12:49:50] * mru does not understand the obsession with time
  • [12:50:59] * KotH does understand the obsession with time
  • [12:51:22] <mru> KotH: your obsession is different
  • [12:51:26] <KotH> :)
  • [12:51:27] <mru> that one I can sort of understand
  • [12:51:37] <mru> the science of timekeeping is interesting
  • [12:51:40] <mru> and useful
  • [12:51:44] <mru> _when you need the time_
  • [12:53:23] <KotH> mru: oh.. and your watch keeps better time than you pc because the quartz crystals have tighter tolerances, are usually trimmed at the watch factory to be on frequency and watch makers know what they are doing to the crystals while pc manufacturers use what ever is cheapest
  • [12:53:52] <mru> _my_ watch wasn't exactly what you'd call cheap though
  • [12:54:01] <mru> cost as much as a half-decent pc
  • [12:54:04] <KotH> then even more so
  • [12:54:20] <KotH> you know mine? keeps time to a couple of seconds per year
  • [12:54:27] <mru> my point was that even the dirt-cheap ones keep good time
  • [12:54:30] <KotH> juup
  • [12:54:40] <KotH> it's actually increadible how accurate these things are
  • [12:55:01] <KotH> incredible*
  • [12:55:41] <KotH> and you can can "easily" crystal oscillators that are three orders of magnitutes more accurate
  • [12:55:48] <KotH> make*
  • [12:55:54] <mru> I do slightly wonder how much of the price went into the mechanics though
  • [12:56:09] <KotH> most of it, probably
  • [12:56:18] <KotH> the crystal and its electronics are dirt cheap
  • [12:56:26] <KotH> mechanics and handling are expensive
  • [12:56:40] <mru> I mean mechanics+electronics
  • [12:56:46] <mru> as opposed to styling and brand name
  • [12:56:58] <KotH> that i dont know :)
  • [12:57:37] <KotH> given that you can get a watch for 5chf, i would say that at least half of the price is brand and retail
  • [12:57:41] <mru> at least the glass has been as scratch-proof as promised
  • [12:57:55] <mru> as in there's not a single scratch on it
  • [12:58:00] <KotH> hehe
  • [12:58:21] <KotH> my watch glass is the same.. actually, the glass is more scratch proof than the steal housing
  • [12:58:38] <mru> yeah, the steel has a few scratches
  • [12:58:49] <mru> that's unavoidable
  • [12:59:12] <mru> good thing it's not gold
  • [13:00:04] <KotH> even if it would be, it's at most 18 karat and a very thin layer ontop of something scratch proof
  • [13:00:33] <KotH> my uncle has a 20+ year old gold watch. you see wear at a couple of places, but hardly a scratch
  • [13:00:40] <mru> it doesn't really matter what's underneath if the surface scratches
  • [13:00:55] <KotH> with gold it does
  • [13:01:08] <mru> a scratch is a scratch
  • [13:01:16] <KotH> gold is soft enough that slight scratches will be covered by the surounding material soon again
  • [13:01:39] <KotH> if they are deep, it doesn't work, but if the gold layer is thin enough, you dont get much of a scratch
  • [13:07:17] <KotH> mru: i like your blog post on the google xmpp federation shutdown
  • [13:10:57] <mru> it's still live afaik
  • [13:11:05] <KotH> juup, it is
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  • [13:37:11] <mru> KotH: the title was the best part imo
  • [13:38:06] <KotH> why?
  • [13:39:05] <mru> I thought it a bit funny
  • [13:39:12] <KotH> :)
  • [13:39:27] <KotH> though a bit misleading
  • [13:40:29] <mru> show me an accurate title
  • [13:41:31] <KotH> https://www.accuratetitlenh.com/
  • [13:42:23] <KotH> well.. time to get out and buy a new fuse... bbl
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  • [14:38:03] <rathi> does qnx work on beaglebone
  • [14:38:08] <rathi> ??
  • [14:38:08] <mru> yes
  • [14:38:38] <rathi> qnx neutrino or qnx v4
  • [14:38:53] <mru> I've used 6.5
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  • [14:39:50] <rathi> how is it for real time interfacing..?
  • [14:40:13] <rathi> like the combo of qnx with beaglebone
  • [14:40:25] <mru> are you familiar with qnx?
  • [14:41:25] <rathi> no
  • [14:41:42] <rathi> first timer
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  • [14:41:52] <mru> why do you ask about qnx specifically?
  • [14:42:19] <KotH> mru: he got an assignment
  • [14:42:23] <rathi> i am supposed to do a prject with this comb
  • [14:42:35] <mru> oh
  • [14:42:44] <mru> well, grab the bsp and go
  • [14:42:51] <mru> it's really quite simple
  • [14:43:34] <rathi> whats the difference between qnx 6.5 and qnx rtos neutrino
  • [14:44:20] <mru> none
  • [14:45:34] <rathi> ok...so do i get any tutorial support from qnx if i buy an original..?
  • [14:46:02] <mru> you don't need to buy anything
  • [14:46:12] <mru> it's free of charge for non-commercial use
  • [14:46:21] <mru> unless something changed
  • [14:46:33] <rathi> i thought its a commercial software
  • [14:46:39] <mru> it is
  • [14:47:35] <rathi> ok...how can i learn abt prgramming beaglebne black
  • [14:48:17] <mru> read relevant documentation
  • [14:49:08] <rathi> actually i have a beaglebne black and nt beagleboard
  • [14:49:22] <rathi> so will qnx run on it to..?
  • [14:49:31] <mru> yes
  • [14:49:57] <mru> why don't you go look at the qnx website yourself?
  • [14:50:10] <rathi> i did that
  • [14:50:30] <mru> everything I might tell you I learned from there
  • [14:50:38] <rathi> its not speifically written abt beaglebone black
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  • [14:51:06] <mru> board-specific instructions come with the bsp for each board
  • [14:51:21] <rathi> and few ppl told me that prcessor speed of black is nt good enough for qnx
  • [14:51:32] <mru> huh
  • [14:52:03] <rathi> k...thanx man
  • [14:52:47] <rathi> i am supposed to interface a cam on beaglebne
  • [14:52:48] <mru> if the bone is too slow, it's too slow with any OS
  • [14:53:17] <mru> qnx performance should be close to linux
  • [14:53:32] <mru> realtime aspects aside
  • [14:53:39] <rathi> can i program a black using c lang
  • [14:54:42] <rathi> or do i need to learn nythin else
  • [14:54:54] <KotH> it's an OS like any other
  • [14:55:05] <KotH> you can program it in whatever language you like
  • [14:55:21] <mru> even some that you don't like
  • [14:56:17] <rathi> haha...ok..so i just need to get qnx in an sd card and i am good to go..?
  • [14:56:49] <KotH> rathi: if there is a class in operating system basics, take that!
  • [14:56:53] <KotH> rathi: you will need it
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  • [14:58:02] <KotH> .o0(am i the only one around here who thinks that anyone learning programming should learn computer hardware and operating systems basics... mandantory)
  • [14:58:15] <mru> no
  • [14:58:20] <KotH> .o0(good)
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  • [14:59:29] <rathi_> i only gotta install it in black..
  • [14:59:51] <rathi_> then i only have to wrk with c
  • [15:00:05] <mru> so go download it already
  • [15:00:17] <mru> it comes with a pre-built gcc all properly configured
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  • [15:00:50] <rathi_> ok...sure thanx
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  • [15:31:35] <radius9> Only references I can find to that error are people on Android running off of sdcard
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  • [17:28:36] <mranostay> morning
  • [17:30:49] <emeb_mac> moarning
  • [17:31:06] <mru> moroning
  • [17:31:47] <emeb_mac> came to the right place for that
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  • [17:40:32] <mranostay> heh
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  • [17:50:29] <_SY_> hello
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  • [17:52:52] <marcosscriven> does anyone know why patches like this: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/tree/am33x-v3.11/patches/capemgr
  • [17:53:12] <marcosscriven> are not merged into the main linux tree?
  • [17:53:17] <marcosscriven> (at some point)?
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  • [18:01:03] <mranostay> heh one does not simply
  • [18:01:19] <_SY_> ?
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  • [18:06:23] <ka6sox> p00f
  • [18:07:14] <_SY_> ?
  • [18:09:28] <ka6sox> marcosscriven is gone
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  • [18:18:27] <mranostay> ka6sox: no still he it seemss
  • [18:18:31] <mranostay> *here
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  • [18:21:00] <ka6sox> that is wierd
  • [18:21:10] <ka6sox> my client doesn't think so
  • [18:21:14] <ka6sox> he is hidden
  • [18:24:08] <_av500_> ahoi
  • [18:25:28] <ka6sox> arrr
  • [18:30:24] <emeb_mac> avast!
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  • [18:35:16] <mranostay> chips ahoy!
  • [18:35:58] * mranostay borrows more liver from joel_
  • [18:36:51] <joel_> I need liver for tonight, going drinking!
  • [18:37:09] <emeb_mac> don't forget pancreas too
  • [18:42:11] <mru> fyi, most of my services are now ipv6-enabled
  • [18:42:23] <mru> let me know if there are problems accessing things like 26-26-54
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  • [18:42:58] <mranostay> joel_: on a sunday?
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  • [18:54:37] <mranostay> emeb_mac: who need a pancreas really?
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  • [18:56:18] <joel_> mranostay, today's dilbert talks about organs too :P : http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-08-18/
  • [18:56:29] <joel_> going to pick a friend from the airport now, bbl
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  • [19:18:08] <KotH> mranostay: if you dont need your organs, can i have them?
  • [19:18:22] * KotH knows a couple of people who would pay a high price
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  • [19:29:02] <mrpacket_> I sold my organ ages ago, in favor of a piano
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  • [19:47:20] <mru> mrpacket_: you sold your organ, singular?!
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  • [19:58:37] <woglinde> mranostay kick low
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  • [20:08:12] <mranostay> KotH: can you call an emergency jihad?
  • [20:13:28] <KotH> EMERGENCY JIHAD!
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  • [20:25:28] <mranostay> zz_ka6sox: sleep dreams
  • [20:25:33] <mranostay> *sweet
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  • [21:17:20] <mranostay> emeb: FPGAs!
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  • [21:23:40] <KotH> FPGA ALL THINGS!
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  • [21:24:29] <emeb> ugh
  • [21:24:39] <emeb> they're kinda prickly
  • [21:25:27] <KotH> you shouldnt put them into your drinks
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  • [21:27:06] <mranostay> too late..
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  • [22:55:18] <CareBear\> how do I connect my rpi to an fpga?
  • [22:56:03] <mru> hot glue gun
  • [22:56:33] <CareBear\> \o/
  • [22:58:27] <prpplague> hehe
  • [22:58:59] <prpplague> mru: you should create a bogus "instructables" howto entry
  • [22:59:10] <mru> that takes effort
  • [22:59:17] <prpplague> hehe
  • [22:59:29] <prpplague> mru: i hear you have a lot of free time on your hands now....
  • [22:59:40] <prpplague> hehe
  • [22:59:49] <mru> between drinking beer and playing video games?
  • [22:59:51] <mru> unpossible
  • [23:00:53] <prpplague> <mru> between drinking beer and playing video games (set to a Daft Punk soundtrack)?
  • [23:01:17] <mru> I haven't heard it played today actually
  • [23:01:24] * prpplague notices he is out of pumpkin spice beer
  • [23:01:41] <mru> that doesn't sound right
  • [23:02:03] * prpplague grabs his shoes and heads for the car
  • [23:02:23] <mru> you have to _drive_ to get beer?
  • [23:02:30] <mru> what a barbaric land
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  • [23:14:28] <prpplague> mru: indeed
  • [23:15:22] <mru> I just walk across the street to the store
  • [23:18:20] <prpplague> mru: hehe, that is not the case in most places in the southern US
  • [23:18:50] <emeb> and even if it were, we'd probably drive anyway.
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  • [23:27:43] <prpplague> hmm
  • [23:27:53] * prpplague does not like the beer he purchased
  • [23:27:55] <prpplague> oh well
  • [23:28:43] <mru> what did you get?
  • [23:29:18] <prpplague> mru: santa fe nut brown ale
  • [23:29:28] <mru> never tried it
  • [23:29:41] <prpplague> http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1683/4792
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  • [23:30:48] * prpplague is actually looking forward to the travel in september and october
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  • [23:35:50] <emeb> sounds like good stuff. what's wrong with it?
  • [23:36:06] <emeb> Nimbus Brewing down in Tucson has a Nut Brown that I like.
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  • [23:40:56] <prpplague> emeb: just got a funky "twang" to it
  • [23:41:07] <prpplague> emeb: maybe it just wasn't what i was in the mood for
  • [23:41:22] <emeb> prpplague: that happens
  • [23:42:38] <prpplague> mru: i replaced some light switches in the garage this weekend
  • [23:42:51] <prpplague> mru: my son and one of his friends watched
  • [23:43:04] <prpplague> mru: they had some funny comments
  • [23:43:46] <prpplague> mru: "wow you dad just opened that cover up and just pulled out all the wires!" , " yea he works on all that electrical stuff all the time..." hehe
  • [23:44:41] <prpplague> guess his friend had never seen anyone open up an electrical panel, hehe
  • [23:45:04] <emeb> prpplague: doin' the EE stuffs again
  • [23:45:11] <prpplague> hehe
  • [23:46:01] * prpplague mixes some of the nut brown ale with some cheap pilsner
  • [23:46:48] * mru has occasinally worked on live mains wiring
  • [23:46:53] <prpplague> emeb: well, both my kids are nerds by culture if not my "profession"
  • [23:46:59] <mru> gives it that extra bit of excitement
  • [23:47:05] <prpplague> mru: hehe
  • [23:47:32] <prpplague> emeb: both know how to use soldering irons, and they know lot of the "linux/oss" culture
  • [23:47:33] <mru> if you're careful and use insulated tools it's fine
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  • [23:48:16] <prpplague> mru: i've worked on 220's before, but i was sweating so much i was terrified i was going to short out something with a drop of sweat i eventually had to let someone else do it
  • [23:48:20] <emeb> prpplague: good for you - knowing which end of a soldering iron to grab is a handy thing.
  • [23:48:25] <prpplague> emeb: hehe
  • [23:49:08] <prpplague> emeb: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/6iBdk7GaKR2
  • [23:49:28] <emeb> hah!
  • [23:50:39] <emeb> worst thing in the world is being afraid to "break" tech stuff.
  • [23:50:55] <emeb> break it! then figure out why and get it going again.
  • [23:51:00] <mru> software doubly so
  • [23:51:15] <prpplague> emeb: hehe, my kids know that when they get a "gadget" as a present, first thing we do is void the warranty....
  • [23:51:58] <mru> there are some things I leave alone
  • [23:52:14] <mru> like the camera gear
  • [23:52:20] <emeb> my dad is worse than me - he's always modding his stuff.
  • [23:52:56] <emeb> went back to visit a few weeks ago - he has the back cover off his 40" Samsung flatscreen and a huge tangle of components soldered to the guts.
  • [23:53:19] <emeb> he wanted a headphone output and so he added one.
  • [23:53:27] <prpplague> hehe
  • [23:53:40] <emeb> not bad for a guy in his late 70s
  • [23:53:44] * prpplague doesnt do plumbing
  • [23:53:52] <prpplague> i never do any kind of plumbing
  • [23:54:11] <emeb> It's just soldering with bigger parts
  • [23:54:22] * emeb has done a bit of plumbing.
  • [23:54:47] <emeb> replacing water heaters, adding hose bibs, etc.
  • [23:54:51] <prpplague> emeb: the mechanical aspects of it elude me
  • [23:55:10] <emeb> cutting and fitting pipes?
  • [23:55:15] <prpplague> yea
  • [23:55:45] <mru> http://www.anvari.org/shortjoke/Limericks/43.html
  • [23:56:05] * prpplague looks
  • [23:56:18] <emeb> har. limericks.
  • [23:56:25] <mru> about plumbing
  • [23:56:29] <prpplague> doh
  • [23:57:01] <emeb> pipe cutters are amazing.
  • [23:57:28] * emeb recalls the video of the kitten rescued from the pipe w/ pipe cutter.
  • [23:58:01] <emeb> pipe cutters like that are very gentle - just the right tool for that job
  • [23:59:57] <prpplague> indeed