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  • [00:55:58] <nickbbb> hi guys
  • [00:56:24] <nickbbb> anyone know of a canadian distributor based in the GTA toronto area?
  • [00:58:57] <W1N9Zr0> creatron had some BBBs last time i was there
  • [01:07:07] <nickbbb> thanks! yup they still do
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  • [01:19:49] <XFaCE> hi yall
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  • [03:51:34] <m_billybob> hi !
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  • [04:09:13] <mranostay> m_billybob: drunk?
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  • [04:56:52] <Guest16791> I need help to recover C4
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  • [04:57:35] <SANK> Can anyone please help recover C4 board NAND? I get all garbage on teraterm console.
  • [04:58:02] <ka6sox> SANK, I'll send in the EOD boys...
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  • [05:20:23] <nickbbb> hi
  • [05:22:40] <nickbbb> uhm when does one need to use a breadboard cape
  • [05:23:27] <emeb_mac> you don't have to use it
  • [05:24:16] <emeb_mac> it's handy if you have a simple circuit to hook to the BB which you want to build up in a reliable/permanent way.
  • [05:24:38] <nickbbb> i need to use a opto switch with my BBB
  • [05:24:43] <emeb_mac> if you're just trying something out though, a solderless plugin breadboard works fine.
  • [05:24:51] <ka6sox> <smartanswer>When you need one?</smartanswer>
  • [05:24:55] <nickbbb> like this one here http://cpc.farnell.com/omron-electronic-components/ee-sx1042/opto-switch-slotted/dp/SC12344
  • [05:25:08] <emeb_mac> <smartassanswer> :)
  • [05:25:28] <nickbbb> :)
  • [05:25:52] <nickbbb> can i use that opto switch with a breadedboard lol
  • [05:26:11] <emeb_mac> sure.
  • [05:26:49] <emeb_mac> that's pretty low speed stuff - a little stray capacitance won't hurt it.
  • [05:27:07] <nickbbb> i just want to count coins in a vending machine lol
  • [05:27:28] <nickbbb> can i useit without the breadboard
  • [05:27:34] <emeb_mac> you could probably just wire it up with no board at all.
  • [05:28:12] <nickbbb> but which pins could i use
  • [05:28:13] <emeb_mac> you'd want a current limiting resistor for the led side and a pullup to +3.3 on the collector of the opto transistor.
  • [05:28:23] <emeb_mac> any GPIO you want.
  • [05:30:39] <nickbbb> led side of the optoswitch?
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  • [05:31:02] <emeb_mac> look here for details of how to use an opto interruptor for arduino: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=86894.0
  • [05:31:11] <emeb_mac> then just apply same concepts to bbb.
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  • [05:32:52] <emeb_mac> bearing in mind that bbb runs on 3.3V levels, not 5V
  • [05:34:13] <nickbbb> thats just what i was looking for
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  • [05:35:34] <nickbbb> does that opto switch use 5v?
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  • [05:35:53] <nickbbb> says input current 30mA
  • [05:36:21] <emeb_mac> probably works just fine on 3.3V
  • [05:37:00] <nickbbb> ya
  • [05:37:18] <emeb_mac> try with the same R values suggested there - currents will be slightly lower but should still work.
  • [05:41:05] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: I've started work on a beagle like board.. i want to put a spartan 6A on the same board
  • [05:41:16] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: kewl!
  • [05:41:29] <mrpackethead> two ethernet ports
  • [05:41:32] <nickbbb> @emeb_mac thanks for your help
  • [05:41:39] <emeb_mac> nickbbb: sure. good luck.
  • [05:41:49] <mrpackethead> no hdmi and other such sillyness.
  • [05:41:50] <mrpackethead> :0)
  • [05:41:57] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: I hear that.
  • [05:42:18] <ka6sox> mmmmmm....
  • [05:43:04] <mrpackethead> I'm thinking of having a weeks holiday in Canada
  • [05:43:07] <mrpackethead> is that a silly idea
  • [05:43:09] <mrpackethead> or a great idea
  • [05:43:26] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: head up to the frozen north, eh?
  • [05:43:27] <tolip> nickbbb: if you have a metal coin seperator have a look at US Patent 4926998 for a no opto method :)
  • [05:43:38] <mrpackethead> early december!
  • [05:44:34] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: you going to put a SPI config mem on your S6 or have the CPU load it at boot?
  • [05:44:50] <mrpackethead> i'm thinking cpu load
  • [05:44:56] <emeb_mac> +1
  • [05:45:03] <emeb_mac> simple, easy.
  • [05:45:12] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [05:45:26] <emeb_mac> fewer parts, more flexible.
  • [05:45:53] <mrpackethead> I have the schematics now converted into eagle and altium formats
  • [05:46:03] <mrpackethead> orcad --> altium is easy
  • [05:46:08] <mrpackethead> altium just does it
  • [05:46:16] <emeb_mac> ya
  • [05:46:23] <emeb_mac> eagle is prolly another story tho
  • [05:46:31] <mrpackethead> yeah.
  • [05:46:38] <nickbbb> tolip: i am not sure if i have a metal coin seperator would it be in the vending machine i suppose?
  • [05:48:36] <mrpackethead> Got a lot of work to get done this week
  • [05:48:38] <mrpackethead> gah.
  • [05:50:46] <emeb_mac> what part of the ckt is in eagle?
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  • [05:53:00] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I'm just returning from the frozen north...
  • [05:53:00] <ka6sox> time to get back to someplace warm!
  • [05:55:31] <tolip> nickbbb:yep the coin seperator is right behind the coin slot. you typically seperate the coins before you count them. many are plastic. you could still use the method I pointed to but you need both a sense and ground contact for each coin.
  • [05:56:28] <nickbbb> hmm
  • [05:57:57] <nickbbb> oh this machine i have only takes twoonies
  • [05:58:01] <nickbbb> and only has 1 product
  • [05:58:09] <nickbbb> so no need of a coin descriminaator
  • [05:59:02] <nickbbb> there might not be a coin seperator because it only takes 1 type of coin
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  • [06:01:29] <tolip> I'd say go optical then, but keep the sensors away from vibration or prepare for failure. The reason I made the simpler 'coin causes contact closure' device is because the opto devices we were using were failure prone.
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  • [06:03:11] <nilking> I am using bealgeboard-xM while after going though the sdcard creating process of Sitarasdk during boot i m getting "Stopping Bootlog daemon: bootlogd." as a masg before it start as newbie for beagleboard i dont know much
  • [06:03:34] <nilking> any sugessions
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  • [06:04:50] <tolip> nickbbb: There is almost always some type of coin mech involved to detect slugs/fakes and eject stuck/bent coins to a return slot instead of the coin box.
  • [06:05:36] <nickbbb> hmm
  • [06:07:31] <nickbbb> @tolip so the coin seperator would essentially filter fakes from real coin, im sure the machine is already doing this
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  • [06:11:33] <raspar> why are linux guys kindof assholes?
  • [06:11:46] <tolip> nickbbb:yes, the old payphones(remember them?) seperated my weight, size, and iron content mechanically
  • [06:12:41] <tolip> s/my/by
  • [06:12:42] <raspar> i understand that it is very complex but even so
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  • [06:23:27] <Shadyman> SO MUCH THIS. A long read, but a goodie. http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
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  • [07:09:15] <oneillsite> hi all BBB newB: my BBB doesn't start in standalone, i have logo on my monitor for few seconds then nothing...
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  • [09:18:30] <mrpackethead> troll troll troll CHOCOLATE!
  • [09:18:49] <woglinde> lool
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  • [12:31:05] <SpeedEvil> Not quite on-topic - I assume mediatek is another of the vendors for whom it's essentially impossible to get datasheets?
  • [12:31:37] <woglinde> SpeedEvil yes I think so
  • [12:31:41] <woglinde> cheap chrap
  • [12:31:45] <woglinde> ups
  • [12:31:59] <woglinde> cheap cheap I meant
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  • [15:15:40] * Set by jkridner!~jkridner@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Fri Jun 14 15:37:38 CDT 2013
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  • [15:16:46] <jkridner> anybody notice how long beagleboard.org was down?
  • [15:16:57] * mru didn't notice it was down
  • [15:18:47] <Spirilis> nope
  • [15:18:55] <jkridner> cool. Don't think it was down long...
  • [15:19:05] <jkridner> apache seemed to get overloaded, so I took it out of the loop.
  • [15:19:45] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: indeed
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  • [15:20:40] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: but you dont need the datasheet si nce you dont get to do the design anyway
  • [15:20:49] <_av500_> pick one of the approved desing houses
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  • [15:21:01] <_av500_> and try to stick to the ref design
  • [15:21:06] <_av500_> easy, eh? :)
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  • [15:34:40] <SpeedEvil> ah. one of thoaew.
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  • [15:40:37] <kfoltman> _av500_: or simply pick another company if possible, eh?
  • [15:44:32] <dm8tbr> and people wonder why all this stuff looks the same ;)
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  • [15:53:40] <SpeedEvil> I was idly wondering as I saw an ad for it on eetimes
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  • [15:55:05] <woglinde> *g*
  • [15:55:07] <woglinde> http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
  • [15:55:56] <dm8tbr> surprise, computers have 'grown up', newsflash at 11
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  • [16:03:15] <SpeedEvil> It???s a device whose hardware can???t be upgraded or replaced and will be obsolete in a year or two. It???s a device that???s as much a general purpose computer as the Fisher Price toy I had when I was three. ++
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  • [16:13:14] <mru> SpeedEvil: rpi?
  • [16:13:29] <SpeedEvil> No, mobiles
  • [16:15:24] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: sadly, not os many other scompanies
  • [16:15:27] <_av500_> -s
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  • [16:18:27] <dm8tbr> there's also the other business model: sure you can have docs and all that, but you'll go and pay $really_big_sum as a 'licensing' fee
  • [16:18:56] <dm8tbr> which in my opinion is more like a lock-in payment
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  • [16:24:20] <SpeedEvil> I probably have the only phone approaching full documentation.
  • [16:24:27] <SpeedEvil> Openmoko GTA01.
  • [16:24:54] <SpeedEvil> The GSM chipset details got leaked.
  • [16:24:54] <SpeedEvil> And there is no GPU
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  • [16:26:23] <kfoltman> dm8tbr: and then it turns out that the chipset doesn't really work that well?
  • [16:27:17] <dm8tbr> that stuff seems to work quite well
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  • [16:30:53] <Vaizki> SpeedEvil: When did you last use it? ;)
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  • [16:36:08] <SpeedEvil> Vaizki: It's in bits at the moment - it got dismantled for an upgrade that stalled.
  • [16:36:18] <SpeedEvil> (To add wifi)
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  • [16:38:01] <Vaizki> Eh
  • [16:39:12] <woglinde> voodka
  • [16:40:54] <dm8tbr> connecting people?
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  • [17:22:15] <norbi> hi guys, im in Hungary and i want to buy a beaglebone black, do you know wich shop delivers here, i would like to start to learn it as fast as i can
  • [17:22:45] <prpplague> norbi: the beagleboard.org website has a list of all distributors
  • [17:23:18] <norbi> prpplague: yea it has, but i dont know wich of those are shipping fast in Hungary
  • [17:23:30] <norbi> im asking someone with experience in this area
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  • [17:24:06] <woglinde> normaly the shipping date is on the websites of the distributors
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  • [17:34:08] <brimestone> hey guys.. what is the snmpset client for Angstrom?
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  • [17:37:55] <brimestone> nevermind.. node.js has a module for it
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  • [17:51:10] <norbi> does BBB have I2C, PWM etc drivers? i mean in its linux OS there is any library that offers support for the I/O? i heard about BBB about 15 mins ago, and id like to know more about it, im ordering it right now from TIGAL
  • [17:52:44] <Vaizki> yes
  • [17:53:08] <norbi> and im seeing others programming it in phyton, but it is the same way programable in C?
  • [17:53:42] <Vaizki> well i2c is easy as pie, pwm I think is a bit more involved
  • [17:54:23] <prpplague> norbi: yes both are fully supported under linux and use standard interfaces
  • [17:54:29] <Vaizki> let me guess, you are an arduino user and you think the BBB is a supercharged microcontroller? :)
  • [17:54:39] <prpplague> norbi: which are supported under a wide range of programming languages
  • [17:55:13] <Vaizki> and in linux everything is a file, so there's a lot of things you can do via /sys and /proc virtual filesystems to talk to those devices
  • [17:55:26] <Vaizki> so short answer: yes.. long answer: google.
  • [17:57:30] <norbi> Vaizki: no, i kinda know what linux is, and also i didnt worked that much with arduino, more with pic or avr mcu's, but i also know the difference between an arm processor and an mcu
  • [17:57:38] <Vaizki> semi-verbose answer: BBB has I2C, SPI, UARTs, GPIO, interrupts, timers.. all the stuff. it also has two realtime running PRUs which are like co-processors that you can use (in assembly) to do time sensitive stuff like bitbang something
  • [17:57:57] <norbi> Vaizki: but never used any kernel on my mcu boards, so i dont really know how IO communication is wraped arround
  • [17:59:11] <Vaizki> for example, http://elinux.org/Interfacing_with_I2C_Devices
  • [17:59:37] <Vaizki> bbl, kids going to sleep&
  • [17:59:46] <norbi> Vaizki: thanks, usefull info, i will google around also how the programming is done, arm is something lot more complex for me then a simple mcu is, ive done arm only with android, where all the stuff is hidden mainly behind SDK..
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  • [18:01:08] <norbi> prpplague: thanks mate, it looks like i really need to read the docs before ask here :)
  • [18:01:39] <prpplague> norbi: no worries, google is your friend
  • [18:01:55] <prpplague> norbi: all of the interfaces used on the beaglebone black are done through generic linux interfaces
  • [18:02:06] <prpplague> norbi: so what you learn is applicable to any system that runs linux
  • [18:03:25] <woglinde> norbi the android sdk is the same for arm x86 and mips
  • [18:03:27] <norbi> prpplague: i had never done hardware programming in linux, max 8 years ago, when i played with parallel port, but that was easy...
  • [18:03:32] <woglinde> because its deriving from java
  • [18:03:46] <norbi> woglinde: yea
  • [18:04:21] <woglinde> and you need only arm assembler when you are in need of the last rest of speeding things up
  • [18:04:26] <norbi> woglinde: but maybe i will force an android on BBB, it will make things easier
  • [18:04:29] <norbi> at least for me
  • [18:04:47] <woglinde> depends on what you need to achieve
  • [18:04:59] <woglinde> android gui foo is a lot slower than qt for instance
  • [18:05:39] <norbi> i have to hook up some i2c devices like compass, accmeter and thinks like that to BBB and use them to read data, then drive some motors
  • [18:06:14] <norbi> woglinde: i played with qt, but i dont want to start to learn qt now, because i already know android
  • [18:06:28] <woglinde> hm I do not know if bbb yet hast the glue for the sdk yet
  • [18:06:30] <norbi> woglinde: starting qt now will mess my head up for now
  • [18:07:07] <woglinde> so you do not need a gui at all right?
  • [18:07:12] <norbi> anyway, as i understood it has graphics accelerator, does the linux on it have GUI?
  • [18:07:29] <woglinde> hm yes sgx
  • [18:07:34] <woglinde> hm or let me say
  • [18:07:35] <norbi> woglinde: atm yes, i dont need GUI, i will access everything from ethernet
  • [18:07:38] <woglinde> ups see
  • [18:07:56] <woglinde> hm so android is overhead anyway but maybee faster
  • [18:08:03] <woglinde> o develop
  • [18:09:39] <norbi> woglinde: i just wonder how hard is to interface the ethernet with an application, usually with an mcu isnt that hard, but here really have no idea, ive used nanohttpd before, maybe it works here also
  • [18:10:01] <woglinde> hm you could use the javascript stuff
  • [18:10:13] <norbi> woglinde: yea
  • [18:10:17] <woglinde> which I think exports i2c stuff
  • [18:10:22] <woglinde> not sure about compass
  • [18:10:24] <norbi> woglinde: but as how i see here, it supports javafx
  • [18:10:28] <woglinde> so you only need a client
  • [18:10:34] <woglinde> o.O
  • [18:10:58] <norbi> BBB supports java, right? i could do it all in java
  • [18:11:16] <woglinde> uhm uh yes you can write javascript code to let run javafx stuff
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  • [18:11:49] <woglinde> but that has nothing todo with the default js script which export the sensor with the default angstroem distro
  • [18:12:32] <woglinde> norbi -> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Bonescript
  • [18:12:56] <norbi> woglinde: eh this is chinese for me atm, i mean i know javascript, ive controlled mcu IO ports with AJAX before, but i cant see atm how the system works here
  • [18:13:21] <woglinde> nodejs controlls it
  • [18:14:05] <norbi> woglinde: heh http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript/accelerometer/
  • [18:14:17] <woglinde> as I said
  • [18:14:59] <woglinde> so you maybee only need to program a client
  • [18:15:00] <Vaizki> you do not want to program BBB in Java unless that's the only hammer in your personal toolbox...
  • [18:15:15] <norbi> woglinde: yea, node.js is nice, but i don't think it depends on it, probably ppl can use standard javascript and jquery for example, by having a webserver on it that calls hardware functions... ?
  • [18:15:16] <woglinde> Vaizki *g*
  • [18:15:46] <norbi> Vaizki: why is that? i mean you recommend C?
  • [18:16:06] <woglinde> norbi I thing nodejs already expose it, so no need to write another sever component
  • [18:16:14] <woglinde> Vaizki jboss7 should run okay
  • [18:16:20] <Vaizki> C, python, node.js, erlang.. well sure you can do Java also :)
  • [18:17:01] <woglinde> hm yes I should make jboss recipes in meta-java
  • [18:17:04] <Vaizki> but as I said above, in Linux everything is a file. including devices.
  • [18:17:08] <woglinde> that would be a lot of fun
  • [18:17:32] <Vaizki> so it doesn't really matter what language you use because they all have file access functions like read(), write() and ioctl()
  • [18:17:38] <norbi> Vaizki: you talk about node.js like it would be server side, but it isnt client side thingy?
  • [18:17:47] <woglinde> norbi o.O
  • [18:17:52] <woglinde> node.js is server
  • [18:17:52] <Vaizki> node.js is serverside javascript
  • [18:18:26] <woglinde> norbi but it again it depends on serval thinks at always
  • [18:18:34] <Vaizki> it's google's v8 engine wrapped into an asynchronous event handling framework
  • [18:18:35] <norbi> Vaizki: yea ive heard a bit about node.js, but server side js its a bit high for me
  • [18:18:36] <woglinde> time, clean code and knowledge
  • [18:19:05] <Vaizki> async programming can be a pain if you don't need it for paralellism and throughput
  • [18:19:27] <Vaizki> personally I'm a C + Python guy
  • [18:19:38] <norbi> Vaizki: yea, async can be, its like threading
  • [18:20:18] <Vaizki> well it's mostly that everything that does I/O is going to require a callback that gets executed when the I/O operation is done
  • [18:20:31] <Vaizki> so instead of writing linear code you are chaining callbacks
  • [18:20:51] <Vaizki> but node.js makes that easier I guess
  • [18:21:05] <woglinde> yes some webcalls
  • [18:21:16] <woglinde> hm but wait where are the motors than?
  • [18:21:25] <norbi> Vaizki: but i cant imagine how node.js works then.. i understand that there is a c programm that makes a http server and its root directory has a html file with a js in it, then browser opens the hosted file wich runs on the server and with cg u can call hardware functions, but node.js sounds different to me then
  • [18:21:34] <Vaizki> no
  • [18:21:47] <woglinde> *sigh*
  • [18:22:02] <woglinde> maybee you go the node.js website and read something
  • [18:22:11] <woglinde> and comeback
  • [18:22:12] <norbi> i do atm
  • [18:22:15] <Vaizki> node.js is basically the JavaScript engine from Chrome. ripped out and glued into a server side program
  • [18:22:43] <Vaizki> so instead of the JS running on client side Chrome browser, runs on server. but their tutorials will tell you all about it.
  • [18:24:02] <Vaizki> and hey I'll tell you more if you find me on a #nodejs or similar channel
  • [18:24:03] <woglinde> vaizki are you working as programmr?
  • [18:24:17] <Vaizki> no I'm the CTO of a telecom equipment provider
  • [18:24:38] <woglinde> aeh so you forgot node.js in c + python
  • [18:24:46] <woglinde> hehe
  • [18:24:46] <Vaizki> ?
  • [18:24:50] <woglinde> and time for chatting
  • [18:25:06] <woglinde> or maybee thats why your are the CTO
  • [18:25:12] <Vaizki> I have never done anything in node.js
  • [18:25:18] <woglinde> ah okay
  • [18:25:27] <Vaizki> doesn't mean I can't know enough about it to mislead newbies
  • [18:25:29] <woglinde> why are you than on the irc chaneel
  • [18:25:32] <Vaizki> I am not
  • [18:25:41] <Vaizki> daa-a
  • [18:25:48] <woglinde> ah it was ironic
  • [18:25:49] <woglinde> sorry
  • [18:25:58] <Vaizki> yes irony doesn't work over IRC
  • [18:26:23] <woglinde> I did not expect it from you, now I am wiser
  • [18:27:38] <norbi> Vaizki: yea, now i have some little infos about node.js, i know about it that it works server side and its usefull for web applications.. and its fast, super fast
  • [18:27:49] <woglinde> lol
  • [18:28:02] <woglinde> measure yourself if it fast enough for you
  • [18:28:09] <norbi> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/this-time-youll-learn-node-js/
  • [18:30:36] <norbi> interesting, 3 line code makes a webserver...
  • [18:31:17] <woglinde> hm is not much more in java
  • [18:31:26] <woglinde> with the built in webserver
  • [18:31:41] <mru> I can write a web server in one line of shell script
  • [18:31:54] <mru> #!/bin/sh
  • [18:31:56] <mru> httpd
  • [18:32:08] <norbi> mru: ^^
  • [18:32:46] <norbi> im feeling lost, i thought running a webserver on mcu is hard, this in theory looks harder :D
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  • [18:35:50] <oneillsite> hi all. Can't boot in standalone...
  • [18:35:59] <oneillsite> my BBB
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  • [18:42:25] <norbi> does BBB have a hdmi output? really?
  • [18:42:50] <prpplague> norbi: yes it does, with audio
  • [18:43:31] <kfoltman> norbi: it's not full HD though
  • [18:43:35] <kfoltman> at least not 1080p
  • [18:43:49] <prpplague> kfoltman: that is incorrect
  • [18:43:55] <prpplague> kfoltman: it is full 1080p
  • [18:44:09] <kfoltman> @ 60Hz?
  • [18:44:09] <woglinde> in prpplague I trust
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  • [18:44:32] <prpplague> kfoltman: you can't decode and play 1080p , but you can drive 1080p resolution with no problems
  • [18:44:41] <prpplague> kfoltman: 24Hz with audio and 60Hz without
  • [18:46:25] <woglinde> prpplague hm but how is that usefull
  • [18:46:44] <mru> displays are useful for other things than video
  • [18:46:49] <mru> unless you are an rpi
  • [18:47:07] <kfoltman> it is useful in a variety of contexts - like, poor-man dev box
  • [18:47:16] <norbi> wow, this little board is really awesome and cheap, it makes is so lovable
  • [18:47:18] <woglinde> ?
  • [18:47:21] <norbi> loveable
  • [18:47:26] <norbi> or how its written :D
  • [18:47:29] <woglinde> kfoltman either I want a settopbox or not
  • [18:47:32] <kfoltman> except that runs against the "no compiling on target" rule and I guess you could get banned here for doing such a thing
  • [18:47:32] <_av500_> luv'ble
  • [18:47:37] <kfoltman> woglinde: BBB != set top box
  • [18:47:44] <norbi> _av500_: ^^
  • [18:47:58] <woglinde> kfoltman so why you need to decode and play 1080p
  • [18:48:08] <kfoltman> woglinde: who said decode and play?
  • [18:48:12] <prpplague> woglinde: pretty useful
  • [18:48:15] <_av500_> because all his content is 1080p :)
  • [18:48:18] <norbi> did anyone tested it for usage conditions, like -40degrees in celsius outside in a box?
  • [18:48:22] <woglinde> damn pron
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  • [18:48:36] <kfoltman> woglinde: how about just display 1080p (note I didn't say "1080p avc" or anything like that)
  • [18:48:37] <prpplague> norbi: black is rated for 0 to 80C
  • [18:48:47] <prpplague> norbi: with an OEM industrial temp version available
  • [18:48:48] <norbi> prpplague: so in - could broke
  • [18:48:49] <woglinde> norbi hm someone claimd he made a test to -35
  • [18:48:52] <_av500_> since it have it it wasnt -40 yet
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  • [18:49:13] <_av500_> if it ever is, i will worry about other things
  • [18:49:34] <prpplague> norbi: probably work fine down to -25C without an issue, just not rated as such
  • [18:49:38] <norbi> _av500_: and what chasis u used for it? to resist for -25?
  • [18:49:39] <kfoltman> _av500_: are *you* certified for industrial range?
  • [18:49:45] <woglinde> norbi but there is no one who will certified it for you
  • [18:49:47] <kfoltman> norbi: a heated one ;)
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  • [18:50:10] <woglinde> kfoltman I think av500 devices do not need it
  • [18:50:19] <norbi> kfoltman: but the heated one would make condense water and break it.. ?
  • [18:50:25] <_av500_> seal it
  • [18:50:28] <kfoltman> norbi: make it water-proof then ;)
  • [18:50:30] <mru> steal it
  • [18:50:36] <_av500_> navy seal it
  • [18:50:45] <kfoltman> clubbed seal it
  • [18:50:56] <_av500_> clubbed seal IT
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  • [18:51:06] <mru> like that guy who broke his board into tiny pieces and RMA'd it?
  • [18:51:12] <_av500_> yes
  • [18:51:20] <_av500_> but he did not RMA
  • [18:51:22] <norbi> eh, right, i have 0 experience with outside devices, i would like to make a tracking system for my solar panel with the BBB, so i would use it outside, for the first time in my life
  • [18:51:24] <kfoltman> he didn't
  • [18:51:29] <mru> he could have4
  • [18:51:31] <mru> -4
  • [18:51:36] <_av500_> -5
  • [18:51:37] <kfoltman> norbi: do you have -30 in winter in Hungary?
  • [18:51:43] <norbi> kfoltman: yes
  • [18:51:51] <mru> I'd expect that
  • [18:51:57] <kfoltman> (I think it was close to that in Poland, the winter in Ireland on the other hand was much milder)
  • [18:52:08] <_av500_> move to ireland then
  • [18:52:11] <norbi> kfoltman: and even -40..
  • [18:52:12] <_av500_> solved, next!
  • [18:52:19] <kfoltman> _av500_: mission accomplished, 7 years ago :P
  • [18:52:21] <norbi> _av500_: :D
  • [18:52:25] <kfoltman> well, sorry, 6
  • [18:52:34] <norbi> heheh
  • [18:52:35] <_av500_> kfoltman: stop cluttering the channel then
  • [18:53:11] <woglinde> buy more solarpanels
  • [18:53:15] <woglinde> from china
  • [18:53:18] <woglinde> its cheap
  • [18:53:34] <_av500_> the ones that convert electricity into sunlihgt?
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  • [18:54:52] <_av500_> norbi: you cna use all the electricity you made during the day to heat the BBB at night
  • [18:55:06] <_av500_> thta way you can seal BBB and battery into the same box even
  • [18:55:25] <woglinde> *g*
  • [18:56:50] <norbi> _av500_: good idea, simple sealing with some sort of silicon could solve it and heating it with something
  • [18:57:04] <norbi> yet dunno what could be the heating source
  • [18:57:35] <mru> run some heavy task on the cpu
  • [18:57:38] <mru> or the gpu
  • [18:57:44] <norbi> mru: ^^
  • [18:57:55] <mru> but make sure the shaders don't block out the sunlight
  • [18:59:01] <norbi> mru: har har har
  • [18:59:18] <woglinde> #beagle-jokes
  • [19:00:51] <_av500_> get any IP65 case
  • [19:01:06] <_av500_> IPv65
  • [19:01:13] <mru> wow, and I only just got ipv6
  • [19:01:36] <_av500_> mru: yes, but yours still lets porn through
  • [19:01:49] <mru> and the pirate bay
  • [19:01:53] <_av500_> see
  • [19:01:54] <norbi> _av500_: :D
  • [19:02:11] <_av500_> a bay is rather watery
  • [19:02:32] <_av500_> as are torrents
  • [19:02:40] <_av500_> and streams
  • [19:03:02] <mru> hudson bay too?
  • [19:03:29] <_av500_> michael bay
  • [19:03:38] <mru> he's just teal and orange
  • [19:03:55] <_av500_> well, he causes a lot of dust particles
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  • [19:12:13] <bbb_man> yo, anyone know if the bbb supports 16GB micro sd (HC) cards for booting ubuntu. I have loaded the .img onto to card but will not boot from fresh start and pressing the boot button.
  • [19:12:34] <mru> sdhc cards are supported
  • [19:13:17] <mrpacket_> bbb_man: "loaded"
  • [19:13:20] <mrpacket_> what do you eman
  • [19:13:30] <mrpacket_> you can't just copy the file over
  • [19:14:03] <bbb_man> hmm, used a program called flashnul to take .img file and write to card, seemed to work okay.
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  • [19:14:09] <mru> of course you can, just don't wrap it in a filesystem
  • [19:14:36] <bbb_man> it was a DOS program.
  • [19:14:49] <mru> maybe it mangled the line endings
  • [19:15:26] <bbb_man> would a bad file on the sd card mean I get no lights when turning on and press the boot button?
  • [19:15:40] <bbb_man> just the power light
  • [19:15:54] <mrpacket_> DOS?
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  • [19:16:09] <bbb_man> MSDOS program
  • [19:16:13] <mrpacket_> bbb_man: why not follow the instructionst hat are on the beagle web page?
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  • [19:17:04] <bbb_man> mrpacket: for some reason the image writer does not work on vista
  • [19:17:37] <bbb_man> mrpacket: so used a DOS program instead called flashnul
  • [19:17:51] <norbi> cant w8 to get my BBB
  • [19:18:05] <mrpacket_> have you got a linux machine bbb_man
  • [19:18:06] <norbi> im so excited:D new world discovery starts in 3 days :D
  • [19:18:40] <mrpacket_> norbi: what distro are you trying to write to the sd-card btw?
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  • [19:19:02] <norbi> mrpacket_: it does come with one already, right?
  • [19:19:12] <mrpacket_> norbi: yes
  • [19:19:14] <norbi> but if i would start with one, i would use centos
  • [19:19:21] <bbb_man> mrpacket: yes ubuntu. I am trying "precise" for arm
  • [19:19:33] <mrpacket_> bbb_man: we hate ubuntu here.
  • [19:19:40] <mrpacket_> <troll>
  • [19:19:41] <norbi> mrpacket_: but what distro do you recommend for it?
  • [19:19:55] <mrpacket_> norbi: i recommend the one that you want to use
  • [19:20:23] <mrpacket_> bbb_man: i'm alomst certianlky guessing youv'e trashed the file system somehow on the card
  • [19:20:47] <norbi> mrpacket_: i ask because of size of it and maybe there is a recomended flat linux thats for embedded
  • [19:20:57] <bbb_man> mrpacket: but would this lead to no lights on boot? Surely a light would appear trying to access the media?
  • [19:21:45] <bbb_man> will try to create the sd image on ubuntu instead of windows
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  • [19:39:02] <norbi> have you played with the beagle ROS?
  • [19:39:55] <_av500_> how can I use my 1541 to prepare an sdcard for the BBB?
  • [19:43:22] <JFK911> _av500_: you need the 4040, for its parallel gpib interface
  • [19:48:24] <_av500_> cna I use an ECC83?
  • [19:50:30] <mrpacket_> _av500_: only if you use singular space inversion
  • [19:53:41] <mrpacket_> alright, the smell of flux calls
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  • [20:07:24] <winsnomore> howdy folks .. have a question on disable hdmi
  • [20:07:51] <winsnomore> i have tried the uEnv.txt edit but the cat slots always shows the devices
  • [20:10:46] <m_billybob> paste the output of cat slots
  • [20:10:56] <Vaizki> and uEnv.txt .. put it in pastebin
  • [20:11:19] <winsnomore> 0: 54:PF--- 1: 55:PF--- 2: 56:PF--- 3: 57:PF--- 4: ff:P-O-L Bone-LT-eMMC-2G,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G 5: ff:P-O-L Bone-Black-HDMI,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMI
  • [20:11:43] <m_billybob> and whats your uEnv.txt disable line ?
  • [20:12:59] <m_billybob> optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN
  • [20:13:03] <m_billybob> should look like that
  • [20:13:37] <winsnomore> Only one line ..same as m_billybob pasted
  • [20:14:10] <JFK911> av500: who told you ECC83? The right one is just "83"
  • [20:14:20] <winsnomore> optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G,BB-BONELT-HDMIN
  • [20:15:40] <Vaizki> and you are running a fresh distro, nothing ancient?
  • [20:16:04] <winsnomore> Stock Angstrom .. got the unit about a week back . .nothing hacked (yet)
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  • [20:16:11] <Vaizki> update it
  • [20:16:31] <winsnomore> I I did run update .. only thing I installed is sudo .
  • [20:17:15] <winsnomore> I I am running out of SD card .. didn't want to hose the main image
  • [20:17:26] <Vaizki> ok well I don't know ??ngstr??m.. but I think those kernel parameters were added to the June image or something
  • [20:18:02] <winsnomore> My image is June .. 3.8.13
  • [20:19:51] <winsnomore> II have seen two different syntax for disable -- capemgr.disable_partno and capemgr.partno_disable .tried both .. neither seems to do it.
  • [20:20:27] <winsnomore> II also tried doing them all on separate lines!
  • [20:21:09] <Vaizki> umm you should just have one optargs= line
  • [20:21:22] <Vaizki> it's basically a script to change the variable's value
  • [20:21:35] <Vaizki> if you have multiple lines only the last one will be effective
  • [20:21:49] <winsnomore> well I have tried it every which way .. more than 5 hours! Now I am doing one line only!
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  • [20:23:47] <winsnomore> Can you help if I should try going into the dts files and making the pins non-exclusive for these devices? I bricked my sd card once doing it :-)
  • [20:24:53] <Vaizki> no I can't
  • [20:25:33] <Vaizki> anything in dmesg about that?
  • [20:29:17] <Willdude123> What's the max current of the 3v3 power supply?
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  • [20:33:51] <winsnomore> nothing .. just hdmi bitching about it .. i guess uEnv.txt is read by uboot long before kernel comes in
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  • [20:34:18] <Vaizki> yes, uboot loads the kernel and gives optargs as parameters to the kernel
  • [20:34:47] <Vaizki> when the capemgr kernel "driver" loads, it should read the parameters and not load those capes
  • [20:35:19] <winsnomore> it still loads them .. i see it going through as if no optargs were given .. it searches for the HDMI etc. .. and keep moving along
  • [20:36:05] <Vaizki> stupid question, do you have a newline after that line?
  • [20:36:36] <Vaizki> not sure if it's required
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  • [20:36:42] <winsnomore> yes I do .. actually I had the whole thing for everydevice .. even the ones I dont' care about .. and commented it all out
  • [20:37:05] <winsnomore> Only one like is active .. that's the optaargs
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  • [20:37:47] <Vaizki> have you tried interrupting uboot and checking the variables there?
  • [20:38:04] <winsnomore> no .. I can't .. I don't have the serial cable
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  • [20:38:28] <Vaizki> ah. makes life a lot easier when you can see what's going on...
  • [20:38:57] <Vaizki> and you ARE editing the right uEnv.txt?
  • [20:39:08] <winsnomore> .. I guess the one that's in /boot
  • [20:39:35] <Vaizki> nope :)
  • [20:39:37] <Vaizki> duuuude
  • [20:39:50] <winsnomore> wow .. then were
  • [20:39:58] <winsnomore> where am I suppsoed to edit it
  • [20:40:03] <Vaizki> in /media/BEAGLEBONE/uEnv.txt
  • [20:40:11] <Vaizki> or something like that.. I'm not ??ngstr??mming
  • [20:40:33] <Vaizki> anyway it's on the FAT16 partition, not on the ext4 one
  • [20:40:40] <Vaizki> I have no idea why there is a copy in /boot
  • [20:41:01] <m_billybob> winsnomore actuall optargs are parameter passed to the kernel but yeah prety much the same thing
  • [20:41:07] <winsnomore> oh well .. let me try to do that .. actually the copy in the /boot made sense .. that's how dtd's are handled on mac
  • [20:41:28] <m_billybob> sorry had company for a few minutes
  • [20:41:37] <winsnomore> well let me find the other places it could be and I will report back ..
  • [20:41:41] <m_billybob> is it fixed ?
  • [20:42:04] <Vaizki> winsnomore: as I said, it's on the first partition of the SD card which is FAT16 formatted..
  • [20:42:07] <winsnomore> not yet .. just learnt that I was editing the /boot/uEnv.txt .. and that's not the right file
  • [20:42:23] <m_billybob> yeah like Vaizki says once booted off the sd card it *should* be in /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt
  • [20:42:26] <Vaizki> sorry it took me so long to pop the question
  • [20:42:36] <m_billybob> err off the sd card or eMMC
  • [20:43:09] <m_billybob> unless angstrom is different from debian whcih i dotn think so but might be
  • [20:43:17] <Vaizki> winsnomore: run "lsblk" and see where mmcblk0p1 is mounted
  • [20:43:27] * m_billybob nods
  • [20:43:35] <Vaizki> I think ??ngstr??m mounts it under /media
  • [20:43:48] <winsnomore> There is nothing in /media/BEAGLEBONE .. there is not /boot/uboot directory .. only place uEnv.txt is .. is in /boot/
  • [20:44:05] <Vaizki> what about lsblk?
  • [20:44:09] <m_billybob> what does mount or lsblock say for mmcblk01p1
  • [20:44:14] <m_billybob> err lsblk
  • [20:44:27] <winsnomore> these are all hard files .. no links anywhere
  • [20:44:37] <Vaizki> yea yea we know ;)
  • [20:44:39] <m_billybob> fdisk -l then
  • [20:44:44] <m_billybob> whichever works
  • [20:44:48] <Vaizki> lsblk should show it
  • [20:45:32] <m_billybob> works for me but i run debian so yeah ....
  • [20:45:57] <Vaizki> how long does it take to type 5 characters and an enter
  • [20:47:04] <winsnomore> I don't see lsblk giving anything useful ... fdisk -l shows the mmcblok01 and 00 devices ..
  • [20:47:16] <winsnomore> I guess one is the main memory the 01 is the sd card
  • [20:47:37] <Vaizki> so lsblk shows mmcblk0p1 but nothing in the MOUNTPOINT column?
  • [20:47:46] <m_billybob> it'll be mmcblk01p1 should be labels msdos vfat etc
  • [20:48:01] <winsnomore> mmcblk0p2 is mounted on root
  • [20:48:10] <Vaizki> if that's the case AND you have a /media/BEAGLEBONE directory then just do: mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/BEAGLEBONE
  • [20:48:17] <m_billybob> you want the boot part though
  • [20:48:21] <Vaizki> yea that's how it should be
  • [20:48:44] <Vaizki> now just mount p1 and you will find your uEnv.txt
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  • [20:49:23] <winsnomore> yes .. I mounted it .. there is a uEnv.txt in it.
  • [20:49:28] <Vaizki> presto
  • [20:49:33] <m_billybob> I did notice myself that sometimes uEnv.txt wouldnt take edits when i have the sd card out and on my crosscompile system too
  • [20:49:41] <Vaizki> should be MLO, uboot.img and uEnv.txt
  • [20:50:43] <Vaizki> MLO is what is started first, it's a mini bootloader which activates the system main RAM etc and loads uboot. uboot then reads uEnv.txt to override some compiled-in defaults (like optargs) and loads the kernel from mmcblk0p2
  • [20:50:53] <winsnomore> Yes .. it's all here .. I don't know why is there is a mess of stuff in /boot .. but thanks guys .. if it doesn't work still I will ping you again.
  • [20:51:46] <m_billybob> winsnomore you can alway mount it in fstab too to make edits easier. But i expect people dont normally need to edit uEnv.txt as often as I do lol
  • [20:52:09] * m_billybob likes to tinker with alternative boot methods
  • [20:52:52] <winsnomore> Yes .. I will put it in fstab
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  • [20:53:32] <Vaizki> if you put the sd card in a windows machine you can probably use notepad to edit uEnv.txt :)
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  • [21:04:05] <JFK911> ugh. how can i use the power button without gnome??
  • [21:04:23] <mru> delete gnome, press button
  • [21:04:35] <JFK911> gnome deleted, stopped working
  • [21:04:38] <Vaizki> put gnome in garden, have buttonfest
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  • [21:24:34] <JFK911> will someone port acpi to beaglebone so power button will work
  • [21:25:03] <m_billybob> idk, will you buy me a new car ?
  • [21:25:07] <mru> we have a comedian
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  • [21:26:20] <m_billybob> mru, do you have any hobby projects with beagle ? just curious.
  • [21:26:45] <mru> I haven't done much with the bones
  • [21:27:12] <m_billybob> no interrest, or your work just keps you busy ?
  • [21:27:34] <JFK911> ok im going to RMA the beaglebone because i cant shutdown with powerswitch without gdm
  • [21:27:50] <mru> you're very funny
  • [21:28:25] <m_billybob> JFK911, you do realize how trivial that would be to implement with a GPIO ?
  • [21:28:45] <JFK911> why should i add a gpio when the power switch is there
  • [21:28:59] <m_billybob> le sigh.
  • [21:29:06] <mru> if gdm can respond to it, that means there's some userspace-visible event tied to it
  • [21:29:16] <JFK911> yeah, who knows where that is
  • [21:29:20] <mru> and that means any userspace app can listen for it
  • [21:29:44] <woglinde> nice trolling
  • [21:30:16] <JFK911> so why doesnt systemd listen for it
  • [21:31:49] <JFK911> tps65217c powermanagement ic generates interrupt to cpu? hm
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  • [21:38:59] * m_billybob is reading O'Reiley's book on Linux Appliances.
  • [21:41:07] <m_billybob> wondering if PostgreSQL + RTA is still a reasonable approach
  • [21:41:35] <m_billybob> or if something more modern is availible
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  • [21:43:27] <XFaCE> I know you can prevent booting from EMMC by deleting MLO, but I still want to boot to EMMC when the SD card is removed
  • [21:44:03] <m_billybob> and your question would be . . . ?
  • [21:44:10] <m_billybob> I can guess but might guess wrong
  • [21:44:40] <XFaCE> is there an edit to the EMMC uEnv.txt that can be done?
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  • [21:44:58] <XFaCE> m_billybob: was a slow two parts of a question :P
  • [21:45:02] <m_billybob> you need to create and put an uEnv.txt file on the sd card
  • [21:45:19] <XFaCE> there is
  • [21:45:41] <m_billybob> this uEnv.txt file needs to have proper parameters that tells uboot ( overrides uboots default settings ) to boot from the sd card
  • [21:45:41] <XFaCE> it's ARCH arm
  • [21:45:48] <XFaCE> ok
  • [21:45:51] <m_billybob> distro should matter
  • [21:45:53] <XFaCE> I'll post what it haves
  • [21:46:07] <m_billybob> err distro should NOT matter
  • [21:46:43] <m_billybob> XFaCE what kind of kernel do you have ? e.g. zImage or uImage ?
  • [21:46:53] <XFaCE> not sure
  • [21:47:11] <m_billybob> ok you need to find out that parts important
  • [21:47:20] <m_billybob> XFaCE so this -> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
  • [21:47:41] <m_billybob> its debian centric but the uEnv.txt parameters should be mostly neutral
  • [21:48:16] <m_billybob> that uEnv.txt file he has there in his instructions is similar or possibly exactly what you need to boot from sdcard
  • [21:49:02] <m_billybob> a couple of caveats. if you have a uImage kernel image, you need to make some adjustments to the text
  • [21:49:12] <XFaCE> "/boot/zImage"
  • [21:49:13] <m_billybob> and you need to change bootz to bootm
  • [21:49:19] <XFaCE> m_billybob: so z_image
  • [21:49:25] <m_billybob> ah so that uEnv.txt file there should work
  • [21:49:38] <m_billybob> also, pay close attention to pathing
  • [21:50:02] <m_billybob> if you read through that text slowly, it should become obvious what you need
  • [21:50:10] <m_billybob> for pathing etc
  • [21:50:40] <m_billybob> so lets us assume your kernel image is in /boot/uboot like debian there your pathing would be the same
  • [21:51:17] <m_billybob> well boot files period really ( MLO, u-boot.img, and uEnv.txt )
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  • [21:52:31] <m_billybob> so in short what im really trying to say is that you should be able to copy paste that uEnv.txt file text, into a uEnv.txt file on your SDcard, and assuming you have everythign in place properly it should just work
  • [21:53:55] <m_billybob> XFaCE do us a favor and talk here and copy paste code to pastebin, i have tons of windows open already, hard for me to keep track
  • [21:54:26] <m_billybob> XFaCE paste that to pastebin please, its much easier to read
  • [21:55:09] <XFaCE> kk
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  • [21:55:46] <XFaCE> m_billybob: https://ezcrypt.it/gQ6n#VUhVXizd05QCd49EJkvTJu6b
  • [21:56:45] <m_billybob> ok so here is what you can do
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  • [21:58:33] <m_billybob> mv /boot/uEnv.txt /boot/uEnv.txt.bak -> then create a new file with the same name ( /boot/uEnv.txt ) and experiment. HOWEVER you will need a way to to read the file such as on a regular linux system etc to change it back if all else fails
  • [21:59:14] <m_billybob> XFaCE those uEnv.txt parameters on that site *should* work as is
  • [21:59:26] <m_billybob> still reading your current text file though
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  • [22:02:20] <m_billybob> XFaCE as far as I can tell the two uEnv.txt "files" are nearly exactly the same. though the one you pasted has conditiotnal bits of "code" in it ( if . . .fi etc )
  • [22:02:57] <m_billybob> XFaCE is that not workign for you ?
  • [22:03:09] <XFaCE> I'll try it
  • [22:04:17] <m_billybob> worse case it wont work, and it can be fixed. would be easier to troubleshoot if you had a serial debug cable or a 3v3 ttl uart module
  • [22:07:44] <winsnomore> m_billybob/Vaizki -- I have tried all I could with editing uEnv.txt in the boot partition (now) .. and still no luck .. I can't get it to NOT load the HDMI and eMMC driver
  • [22:08:12] <m_billybob> winsnomore do you have a serial debug cable or a 3v3 ttl uart module ?
  • [22:08:30] <winsnomore> No .. I don't have it ..
  • [22:08:37] <m_billybob> though i suppose dmeg | grep HDMI could help too
  • [22:09:09] <m_billybob> dmesg | greo HDMI <----- what does this command say ?
  • [22:09:14] <winsnomore> I did grep .. and it seem them and there is line "specific override" for each of the slots 4, 5, 5
  • [22:09:19] <m_billybob> err grep not greo
  • [22:09:35] <m_billybob> you still gettign P O L ?
  • [22:09:41] <m_billybob> if there is no L its not loaded
  • [22:09:45] <winsnomore> 1.150604] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: slot #4: specific override [ 1.157212] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: bone: Using override eeprom data at slot 4 [ 1.165254] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: slot #4: 'Bone-LT-eMMC-2G,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G' [ 1.175405] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: slot #5: specific override [ 1.182007] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: bone: Using override eeprom data at slot 5 [ 1.190045
  • [22:10:20] <winsnomore> My cutpaste is not working from the ssh terminal very well
  • [22:10:20] <m_billybob> what does cat slots have to say ?
  • [22:10:58] <winsnomore> 0: 54:PF--- 1: 55:PF--- 2: 56:PF--- 3: 57:PF--- 4: ff:P-O-L Bone-LT-eMMC-2G,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G 5: ff:P-O-L Bone-Black-HDMI,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMI
  • [22:11:04] <winsnomore> Same as before
  • [22:11:16] <m_billybob> winsnomore, so lets start over fresh again. paste bin your uEnv.txt file and ill have a look
  • [22:11:26] <winsnomore> Only thing i can get rid of is HDMIN .. but that's likely for it failed init.
  • [22:12:05] <winsnomore> optargs=capemgr.partno_disable=BB-BONELT-HDMIN,BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G #
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  • [22:12:15] <winsnomore> The Second # is on the second line ..
  • [22:12:53] <m_billybob> which text editor are you using and in which OS ?
  • [22:13:07] <winsnomore> I tried switching the order of HDMIN and HDMI in the optarg .. but that makes not diff.. I think sometimes init fails and HDMIN doesn't load
  • [22:13:11] <winsnomore> I use vi
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  • [22:13:37] <m_billybob> ok so should be good there just making sure no windows CTRL LF's are creepign in
  • [22:13:38] <charlieg> Good day - I'm interested in any FAQS for the Angstrom version of linux - I'm used to debian, and other distros and the man pages in the OS are really limited.
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  • [22:15:42] <m_billybob> winsnomore ok so take agood close looks at my line versus yours
  • [22:15:43] <m_billybob> optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN
  • [22:16:17] <m_billybob> dotn worry abotu the EMMC being different thts not whats wrong
  • [22:16:40] <m_billybob> charlieg is there a specific question you had in mind ?
  • [22:17:04] <winsnomore> m_billybob .. you have disable_partno .. I have partno_diable .. I have seen it written both ways .. and I don't know whichone is correct .. tried both!
  • [22:17:13] <m_billybob> winsnomore specifically look at this part capemgr.disable_partno
  • [22:17:18] <m_billybob> ok so your way is wrong
  • [22:17:52] <m_billybob> or maybe it'll work but i know for a fact what i have in my uEnv.txt file does work
  • [22:18:20] <winsnomore> I tried using hte disable_partno .. and that didn't work either.
  • [22:22:22] <charlieg> m_billybob - no, I learned that opkg is used instead of apt-get, but it's clear I need to RTFM - I just need to know a good source that will overview the OS.
  • [22:22:24] <winsnomore> m_billybob .. I just did it disable_partno change .. and rebooted .. now I have HDMIN also .. so slots 4,5,6 are active
  • [22:23:06] <m_billybob> http://pastebin.com/LZPrrJaC
  • [22:24:00] <m_billybob> well if you cant get it to work i suggest you post on the beagleboard google groups
  • [22:24:50] <m_billybob> make sure you pastebin your uEnv.txt file and and relivent dmesg output
  • [22:24:56] <m_billybob> when posting
  • [22:25:26] <m_billybob> well and of course your cat slots output
  • [22:25:59] <m_billybob> charlieg i would suggest and YMMV, that if you're used to debian, stick with it
  • [22:26:08] <m_billybob> you may end up hating angstrom
  • [22:26:42] <m_billybob> putting Debian on the BBB is not that difficult espepcialy ifyou're very familiar with debian
  • [22:26:50] <m_billybob> i run debian on both our BBB's here
  • [22:27:29] <charlieg> yeah, I got that, but I am hearing it's better for working with circuits, and I am teaching it to teachers who will in turn (hopefully) teach it to kids.
  • [22:27:41] <m_billybob> Linux is Linux
  • [22:28:01] <m_billybob> whats diferent of course is how they're setup, and how things are done
  • [22:28:50] <charlieg> I can see a variety of images, including freebsd, so I know I can always move to another OS if I want - I just want to keep as close to projects that I can adapt to the classroom.
  • [22:29:00] <m_billybob> if yo uwant to use Angstrom then i say by all means go for it. But you may end up disliking it after a while. again YMMV
  • [22:29:37] <m_billybob> ok fair enough
  • [22:29:58] <m_billybob> as for faqs . . . idk but there is an angstrom user manual out on the web somewhere
  • [22:30:06] <charlieg> It's not really different - just figured I'd save some time.
  • [22:30:09] <m_billybob> it is dated, atleast the one i found
  • [22:31:01] <charlieg> yeah, I just googled it - 2009 - I'll look at that. Thanks, man.
  • [22:31:32] <m_billybob> no problem
  • [22:32:10] <winsnomore> thanks m_billybob
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  • [22:32:33] <m_billybob> winsnomore still no dice ? if so im at a loss.
  • [22:34:18] <winsnomore> no .. nothing .. by doing it your way .. the DHDMIN came alive .. I suspect it's not reading the uEnv.txt from the sd card
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  • [22:35:01] <m_billybob> this isnt some custom uboot is it ?
  • [22:35:14] <winsnomore> no .. everything is stock ..
  • [22:35:23] <m_billybob> most recent ?
  • [22:35:37] <winsnomore> I just dd the internal flash to sd card .. yes .. the 3.8.13 6/20 image
  • [22:36:04] <winsnomore> i ran update after starting for the first time .. but that's it ..
  • [22:36:11] <m_billybob> only thing that i can think of that could work is maybe compiling your own uboot from source, but meh thats kind of drastic
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  • [22:36:27] <m_billybob> and not sure if that would fix your issue
  • [22:36:35] <m_billybob> i mean it should be . . .
  • [22:36:41] <m_billybob> should but*
  • [22:36:44] <m_billybob> who knows.
  • [22:36:57] <winsnomore> no .. I am not brave enough to do that .. takes too many things to relearn
  • [22:37:28] <winsnomore> a lot of this stuff is terrible complicated .. why say you can unload a driver if you really can't!
  • [22:37:39] <m_billybob> actually i have copy paste exact steps ( or i sghould say Robert C Nelson does ) but yeah it is still kind of a drastic measure.
  • [22:38:22] <Vaizki> winsnomore: you are pressing boot button when powering on BBB, right..
  • [22:38:30] <winsnomore> I also can't seem to run nelsons wget script .. ( dtc.sh )
  • [22:38:35] <m_billybob> but its not exactly that simple either, you need a cross toolchain and a proper setup etc etc . . .
  • [22:38:36] <Vaizki> it's not enough to reset it, you have to unplug the power
  • [22:38:45] <winsnomore> I actually power cycled and pressed power button
  • [22:38:49] <m_billybob> winsnomore certificate issues ?
  • [22:38:54] <winsnomore> almost univerally power cycle
  • [22:39:25] <winsnomore> no .. wget didn't have certificate .. I turned ssl verification on git off .. it compalins not a http/ftp url!
  • [22:39:45] <m_billybob> the reason i ask is that wget has a certificate "ignore" command line switch
  • [22:39:54] <m_billybob> hmmm
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  • [22:40:21] <winsnomore> i normally run sslverification off .. becasue nearly everything on git has that issue
  • [22:40:31] <m_billybob> right
  • [22:40:52] <m_billybob> what isyour locale ?
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  • [22:41:10] <winsnomore> i think it's wget flavor on BBB .. I can run the same wget on my vm (debian on intel) .. no problem .. NJ
  • [22:41:13] <m_billybob> just stabbign at air there but yeah only other thign i can think of
  • [22:41:21] <m_billybob> yeah im US too
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  • [22:41:26] <m_billybob> AZ though but close enough
  • [22:41:44] <winsnomore> what's a few thousand miles
  • [22:41:46] <m_billybob> thats odd maybe your provider has something setup that prevents that
  • [22:42:03] <m_billybob> but yeah probably unlikely
  • [22:42:14] <m_billybob> i have seen it hapen though
  • [22:42:14] <winsnomore> .. no it's same network .. i run the same wget in vm it works .. on BBB on ssh window it doesn't
  • [22:42:39] <m_billybob> odd
  • [22:43:07] <m_billybob> thats a shame really his instructions arereally good
  • [22:43:50] <winsnomore> I think he is very good .. but I can't get some of the basic stuff off the ground ..
  • [22:44:14] <m_billybob> and likely you dont want to tunnel
  • [22:44:54] <m_billybob> what is your "support system" ? meanign which distro
  • [22:44:59] <winsnomore> actually the only thing I am missing with his script is the patch to dtc compiler .. but it appears that the version on Angstrom already has that patch in ... the @ handling of options .. so it's not an issue
  • [22:45:19] <m_billybob> its the same dtc afaik
  • [22:45:44] <m_billybob> the dtc i think is universal well, aside from ABI which yeah thats a problem
  • [22:45:57] <m_billybob> the file they produce are universal
  • [22:47:14] <winsnomore> i bricked my machine by trying to recompile the dtc to "not reserve" the io's .. the problem I am trying to solve is .. I have new hw .. if I plulg in P8 and P9 it won't boot .. I will boot with just P9 .. and I need Io on P8 also
  • [22:48:18] <m_billybob> from what i understand that isnt exactly safe either
  • [22:48:47] <m_billybob> proper way would be to do what you're trying ot do now, but of course it isnt working . .. so yeah
  • [22:49:24] <winsnomore> Technically speaking if I can avoid getting those pins reserved .. my hope is that the other app's that use the driver will quite and I will be ok .. but that's the next level mystery
  • [22:49:52] <m_billybob> but if you post on the groups panto or someone will likely spot somethign i missed, or have somethign else to say that should help
  • [22:50:14] <winsnomore> Thanks .. .. who's panto?
  • [22:50:24] <m_billybob> ive seen this discussedon the groups a couple times, but always someone is doing something wrong
  • [22:50:52] <m_billybob> im not 100% sure exactly what he does but am pretty sure he is one ofthe major kernel devs in regards to the beagel stuff
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  • [22:51:12] <m_billybob> e.g. he knows his shi . . .
  • [22:51:20] <winsnomore> it's entirely possible I have overlooked something simple or done something stupid .. will have to slog through .. thanks anyways
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  • [22:51:58] <m_billybob> me, im pretty new to embedded linux, so everything i talk about or try to help with i just have experience with. problem is i dont exactly know *everything* so . . .
  • [22:52:00] <Vaizki> the usb serial cable will help
  • [22:52:42] <winsnomore> Maybe I will have it next week .. ordered it on dealexterme for $2.99 and am suffering for it now :-)
  • [22:52:47] <Vaizki> and yes I think panto works at TI ;)
  • [22:52:55] <m_billybob> idk
  • [22:53:07] <m_billybob> hes a good guy and knows his shit
  • [22:53:39] <winsnomore> well I will wait for him to show up .. and ping him .. thanks for the help guys .. bye
  • [22:53:41] <m_billybob> winsnomore pl2303 ?
  • [22:56:21] <mranostay> Vaizki: panto doesn't work for TI
  • [22:56:34] <mranostay> private contractor that used to
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  • [23:04:28] <Vaizki> ah ok my bad. and none of my biz really ;)
  • [23:04:33] <Vaizki> anyway, I'm off to sleep
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  • [23:10:12] <m_billybob> gnight
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  • [23:34:26] <mranostay> ok google autotagging just got me a big brother wtf
  • [23:34:44] <mranostay> i submitted a picture of marina area and no gps info
  • [23:34:58] <mranostay> and it autotagged it #marina
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  • [23:39:29] <mru> mranostay: image recognition
  • [23:40:25] <mru> I wonder how hard it is to trick it
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  • [23:46:08] <prpplague> mru: already got your travel plans together for ELCE/LinuxCon-EU?
  • [23:46:23] <mru> not even sure I'm going
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  • [23:54:54] <CareBear\> prpplague : cool that there is a sigrok talk!
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  • [23:55:52] <prpplague> CareBear\: for elce or for linuxcon-eu?
  • [23:56:03] <CareBear\> I'm not sure - I guess elce
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  • [23:57:45] <mranostay> hmm is OLS borked now?
  • [23:58:06] <CareBear\> mranostay : did you see my patch for autodetect on linux?
  • [23:58:14] <CareBear\> long ago
  • [23:58:19] <CareBear\> but convenient