• [00:00:01] <prpplague> m_billybob: not handy
  • [00:00:28] <m_billybob> :( maybe googl will turn something up. but mainly im only concerned with debugging userland apps
  • [00:01:15] <m_billybob> not even really sure what and how on linux, but i'll eventually figure it out
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  • [00:07:45] <lucky> prpplague, not populated means soldering it on?
  • [00:07:57] <prpplague> lucky: that is correct
  • [00:08:26] <prpplague> lucky: you can order one with the header already soldered on from circuitco, but we charge a premium for it
  • [00:09:01] <lucky> is it possible to get breakpoints and similar functionality at the bare metal level and such with just the serial debug cable?
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  • [00:09:53] <prpplague> lucky: no
  • [00:10:09] <mru> well, you can set them
  • [00:10:23] <prpplague> lucky: i am curious, why are you using beaglebone black with baremetal? seems like a waste
  • [00:10:31] <prpplague> mru: true
  • [00:10:34] <mru> harder to do anything when they trigger
  • [00:10:42] <prpplague> hehe
  • [00:10:58] <lucky> prpplague, interested in porting my hobby operating system to ARM
  • [00:11:19] <lucky> and i'll probably use it for other things too
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  • [04:59:23] <ashes> hi
  • [04:59:49] * mranostay burns
  • [05:00:30] <ashes> i own an electric moped that i am reverse engineering. i'm thinking of using a beaglebone board as a motor controller, battery management system, and as a relay for the signal lights
  • [05:00:48] <ashes> is that reasonable, or too much for the board?
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  • [05:04:46] <mranostay> not too much but what is wrong with the moped as it is? :)
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  • [05:34:50] <mranostay> hi joel_ !
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  • [06:12:37] <KotH> a wonderfull, good morning everyone!
  • [06:15:38] <SpeedEvil> ashes: In principle, it's not impossible.
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  • [06:16:25] <SpeedEvil> ashes: I would however not do it without some form of backup on the battery managment - as explosions are bad.
  • [06:16:34] <SpeedEvil> ashes: What do you mean by battery managment?
  • [06:17:19] <KotH> SpeedEvil: why do all the baloon guys use ublox gps modules? is because they are the only ones without altitude restriction?
  • [06:17:22] <SpeedEvil> And do you mean implementing a three phase motor controller, or setting up a PWM drive for an existing one.
  • [06:18:11] <SpeedEvil> KotH: They are not the only ones. However, low power is another factor, the current trend for at least many is towards very small batteries. As in a day on an AAA cell.
  • [06:18:51] <KotH> oki, thanks
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  • [06:40:37] <mranostay> KotH: no jiha?
  • [06:40:45] <mranostay> *jihad even
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  • [07:09:46] <KotH> mranostay: you didnt have any beer this night, so i guess it's just fair that i dont have any jihad this morning
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  • [07:11:42] <suihkulokki> .oO( there must be some NSA trolling going on here... )
  • [07:12:19] <mranostay> JIHAD!
  • [07:13:11] <KotH> us? trolling the nsa? NEVAR!
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  • [07:16:56] <flufmnstr> so, the serial ports on the BBBlack are on ttyO0-4. what are all those other tty entries?
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  • [07:19:12] <mranostay> flufmnstr: not enabled
  • [07:19:20] <mranostay> those are muxed and et
  • [07:19:23] <mranostay> *etc
  • [07:19:54] <flufmnstr> yeah. im still trying to figure out this muxing business at the moment
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  • [07:20:27] <flufmnstr> i was just wondering what(if anything) those other ones were tied to
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  • [07:21:25] <KotH> have you offered a big bar of swiss chocolate to DCT and a bottle of fine german beer to mranostay?
  • [07:21:59] <KotH> not?
  • [07:22:11] <KotH> do you see where your problem is? :)
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  • [07:30:11] <bartbacka> does anyone tried to make something like google glass with bbb
  • [07:30:18] <bartbacka> i mean a clone\
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  • [07:30:29] <panto> the nsa?
  • [07:30:36] <bartbacka> yea
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  • [07:36:54] <bartbacka> ... lonely
  • [07:43:32] <KotH> why do you feel lonely?
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  • [07:43:51] <panto> ronery even?
  • [07:45:23] <bartbacka> thinking of some nice google glass
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  • [07:45:48] <bartbacka> late for the party...
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  • [07:46:42] <KotH> .o0(first world problems)
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  • [07:47:12] <bartbacka> LOL
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  • [08:11:43] <panto> away for a while
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  • [08:13:32] <jackmitchell> morning everyone, I'm trying to compile a new u-boot (not for beaglebone) and I hit the following compile errors and I don't know how to fix them or what they're caused by; does anyone have any suggestions on where to start tackling this?
  • [08:13:34] <jackmitchell> http://pastebin.com/frFS0d7q
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  • [08:18:56] <koen> jackmitchell: rebuilt that toolchain from sstate?
  • [08:19:02] <koen> if so, -c cleansstate gcc-cross
  • [08:19:10] <koen> and rebuild it
  • [08:19:16] <koen> that seems to fix that issue for me
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  • [08:21:33] <jackmitchell> koen: ah koen, you genius
  • [08:21:40] <jackmitchell> makes complete sense
  • [08:22:08] <jackmitchell> I've just fired an email off to the oe-core mailing list asking for further advise so will follow up if it works
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  • [08:23:34] <koen> jackmitchell: not 'genius', more 'wasted weeks tracking that down'
  • [08:24:38] <koen> I talked to RP and khem about it and they fixed a number of bugs, but I think it's still there in oe-core/master
  • [08:25:20] <koen> I can only trigger it with u-boot FWIW
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  • [08:26:25] <jackmitchell> koen: ok, well good to know I wasn't going bonkers
  • [08:26:48] <koen> jackmitchell: http://xkcd.com/979/
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  • [08:27:33] <jackmitchell> koen: :D
  • [08:28:13] <koen> my u-boot problems usually turn up IRC logs from 2005 of me swearing at the error message
  • [08:28:37] * koen stabs uboot 1.x some more
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  • [08:30:55] * XorA laughs
  • [08:32:46] <teralaser> heh
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  • [08:33:42] <ant_work> koen: XorA : once solved u-boot issues you have yet the devicetree compiler fun ;)
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  • [08:35:36] <XorA> ant_work: ACPI compiler is much more stable :-D
  • [08:36:08] <ogra_> just use lilo :P
  • [08:37:03] <XorA> lilo still gives me nightmares, worst bootloader ever
  • [08:38:35] <ant_work> kexecboot rules all ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZmNKNWpeIc
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  • [08:39:01] <ant_work> unbelievebely we are still receiving feedback after years...
  • [08:39:08] * XorA used to use the NT bootloader to load linux
  • [08:39:31] <XorA> ant_work: there are still people desperate to get the Z machines usable :-)
  • [08:43:17] <ant_work> XorA: btw http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/6A8vKLRaTD-aBF5637YlcQ
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  • [08:54:01] <Pete_> has anyone used the SD card for data? How do I mount it?
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  • [08:55:52] <Pete_> I dont see the card when I insert it so what do i mount?
  • [08:56:10] <Pete_> i dont see anything in /dev
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  • [09:12:28] <dm8tbr> Pete_: I guess you have a BBB?
  • [09:12:46] <dm8tbr> Pete_: the card is currently not detected if inserted after boot.
  • [09:13:21] <dm8tbr> Pete_: on the other hand the default uenv.txt will prevent the board from booting if a card is inserted
  • [09:13:30] <dm8tbr> for the latter there are workarounds
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  • [09:27:35] <exosyst> I'm building the kernel from the github repo for 3.8 and the instructions don't make any reference to a LOADADDR but do reference an arch/arm/configs/beaglebone which isn't provided anymore.
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  • [09:28:32] <exosyst> I've matched up the loadaddr with the ${kloadaddr} of 0x80007fc0 which my bone has in its uenv.txt and did a make omap2plus_defconfig. That'll work right? :-/
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  • [09:33:52] <jackmitchell> exosyst: you must be reading the instructions wrong
  • [09:34:21] <jackmitchell> exosyst: git clone kernel, git checkout 3.8, ./patch.sh, cp configs kernel/.config
  • [09:34:35] <jackmitchell> is almost the exact steps
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  • [09:35:33] <jackmitchell> it's all there on the github page...
  • [09:37:20] <exosyst> jackmitchell, Hmm... but the multitude of XX_defconfig stuff was supposed to be done with?
  • [09:37:34] <jackmitchell> ?
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  • [09:39:09] <jackmitchell> exosyst: what github page are you looking at?
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  • [09:41:10] <exosyst> jackmitchell, so will that beaglebone config be going mainline at some point? I thought the new way was generic platform config and the rest was sorted out in device tree?
  • [09:41:43] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/WZD0UA
  • [09:41:43] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 5b570d7 Koen Kooi: 3.8: implement PRU based PWM...
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  • [09:42:19] <plundra> Are there any specs with regards to write endurance on the eMMC, as well as operating temperature ratings, for the BBB?
  • [09:42:38] <exosyst> jackmitchell, I get lots of sad looking warnings using that config - http://pastebin.com/hMQP8MFh
  • [09:42:42] <jackmitchell> exosyst: it's not quite there yet; there is still a lot of missing support in mainline
  • [09:43:05] <jackmitchell> exosyst: I wouldn't worry about those warnings
  • [09:43:45] <jackmitchell> eventually, a generic defconfig should be able to _boot_ the beaglebone, but probably not much else
  • [09:44:04] <jackmitchell> you will still need cusom configs to get extra features
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  • [09:47:35] <exosyst> That's unfortunate. So if I want to create a tarball for my students to use - should I just grab the latest known working kernel archive and replicate the instructions on github to copy the config in and work with that?
  • [09:48:30] <exosyst> Obviously I can't expect 12 students to perform a nice bit git pull of the kernel and then add some hacks to it
  • [09:49:10] <jackmitchell> if you want an easy solution I would clone the git, run patch.sh, copy the defconfig into the kernel directory, and then tar that
  • [09:49:33] <jackmitchell> you then have a "standard" kernel tree with pre-loaded config
  • [09:50:39] <exosyst> Yeah that's probably easiest - just happily wax over the whole "not quite mainline" thing :D
  • [09:51:30] <exosyst> jackmitchell, So the kernel it generates is about 4.09MB and has a start address of 0x80008000 - sound about right?
  • [09:51:50] <jackmitchell> exosyst: yeah, you can build and boot mainline at the moment, but only boot over nfs, as the mcc driver hasn't made it in yet
  • [09:51:59] <jackmitchell> exosyst: that sounds about right
  • [09:52:54] <exosyst> yeah, I tried that before - it got quite sad trying to start the MMC - I'll use this and hopefully the support will get merged soon. Are there any ideas on when?
  • [09:53:04] <exosyst> And is there a beagle-announce for this sort of thing?
  • [09:53:04] <jackmitchell> hopefully 3.12
  • [09:53:25] <jackmitchell> beagle-announce === linux-omap pretty much
  • [09:53:37] <jackmitchell> you just have to watch the listsd
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  • [10:03:06] <exosyst> i subscribed - let's see how that works out
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  • [11:37:40] <Andi___> Hi guys
  • [11:37:48] <Andi___> and girls
  • [11:37:50] <Andi___> ;-)
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  • [11:39:33] <emocakes> ahem
  • [11:39:41] <emocakes> and us others Andi___?
  • [11:39:45] <emocakes> you pig
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  • [11:45:32] <Andi___> im sorry, humans
  • [11:45:38] <mru> what about the trolls?
  • [11:45:47] <Andi___> ;(
  • [11:45:58] <Andi___> lets get back to beagleboard...
  • [11:46:08] <mru> but that's so on-topic
  • [11:46:17] <Andi___> especially BoneScript.js, anybody has some experiene on this?
  • [11:46:35] <mru> some do
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  • [11:57:28] <thurgood> Andi___: maybe specific questions will get an answer
  • [11:59:22] <Andi___> Right: i searched the BoneScript.js site and havent found a list of not supported features. Is there such a list, like: you cant do that with BoneScript but with "native" C, Python whatever
  • [12:00:22] <ogra_> probably simply everything is supported :)
  • [12:00:27] <mru> or nothing
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  • [12:00:41] <mru> depending on level of support required
  • [12:04:50] <exosyst> OK, yocto SDK bug fixed - i'm still on my quest to get S2 on the BBB to generate an interrupt I can get in userspace. So looking at the SRM it looks like I need to disable HDMI stuff. Is this from device tree or are there bootargs to toy with too?
  • [12:05:11] <exosyst> Also - doesn't Koens image flasher use that pin anyway so it can't be a big secret right? :D
  • [12:05:55] <exosyst> optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI hasn't helped :-/
  • [12:07:29] <georgem> exosyst: have you pinmuxed the pin to and input? Can you see the state change from 0 to 1?
  • [12:07:35] <georgem> an*
  • [12:08:37] <exosyst> I've not done anything with pinmux at the moment - I figure I have to get it into mode 7 in the DTS and then I should be able to gpio_request_irq() and go from there? I'm new to the of_XXX family of stuff so this is proving a long winded process
  • [12:09:26] <georgem> exosyst: yeah, its not as bad as it seems at first so just stick with it.
  • [12:10:23] <exosyst> georgem, is there any good sample code on following it through from DT through to a loadable module? I was gonna try and pull apart the leds drive to see how that works to get and drive something from DT but can't see any interrupt grabbing stuff?
  • [12:11:20] <georgem> exosyst: yeah, I found one pretty good example a few months ago. let me try to remember what it was...
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  • [12:13:07] <exosyst> georgem, You star!
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  • [12:16:01] <exosyst> When I get this stuff working I'm gonna have to write a nice big blog about it as it doesn't seem like there's anything definitive out there - lots of sources and lots of noise
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  • [12:18:34] <georgem> exosyst: No there isn't anything that great out there. I probably should have written something up but I just never got around to it
  • [12:18:35] <georgem> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/3.8/patches/crypto/0021-crypto-omap-sham-Add-Device-Tree-Support.patch
  • [12:18:54] <georgem> If you look at that patch it adds DT support to an existing driver
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  • [12:21:00] <georgem> It gets the irq from DT, etc
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  • [12:27:24] * panto boggles on the different ways people manage to mess up even simple echo commands in the beaglelist
  • [12:30:39] <exosyst> panto, it's easy to do if it doesn't make sense what it's doing. Imagine trying to write down french as a non-french speaking speaker without context and understanding the rationale/nuances of the why
  • [12:31:36] <panto> I'm just amazed how someone could screw up an echo command
  • [12:31:36] <mru> sounds like a recipe for disaster
  • [12:32:54] <georgem> yeah... now imagine trying to support someone using one of your products in the field. Try instructing a technician over a bad cell call to run a shell command. That'll really ruin you're day.
  • [12:33:22] <panto> been there done that
  • [12:33:59] <panto> now imagine said technician being a member of that state run PTT
  • [12:34:06] <jackmitchell> argh u-boot + oe-core toolchain = the devil
  • [12:34:40] * jackmitchell is feeling particularly stupid today
  • [12:34:47] <koen> exosyst: you need to disabel both the hdmi and hdmi-noaudio virtual capes
  • [12:35:07] <koen> jackmitchell: tried using the meta-linaro toolchain for arm builds yet
  • [12:35:15] <exosyst> koen, How's that done sunshine?
  • [12:35:18] <jackmitchell> koen: I'm no masochist
  • [12:35:56] <georgem> panto: yeah, been there with technicians from government run utilities
  • [12:36:44] <panto> sometimes I envied them for being so ignorant and so safe at their job
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  • [12:39:07] <Willdude123> Just wondering, how can I make my BBB accessible from outside my home nbetwork.
  • [12:39:09] <koen> exosyst: same way you disable the othercape, you can comma seperate them
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  • [12:47:52] <georgem> panto: I know what you mean... Imagine if you had the luxury of being able to pick up the phone and call someone to fix all of your problems. Reminds me of this though :) http://www.despair.com/elitism.html
  • [12:48:24] <panto> hehe
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  • [13:04:21] <mdp> panto, perhaps the #exactsteps are not so exact. I recommend another 24 hours of making them more exact
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  • [13:21:14] <bradfa> 24 hours of exactsteps? Audi will just win, it won't be as much fun or excitement as it sounds like.
  • [13:21:44] <bradfa> maybe next year peugeot will come again
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  • [13:26:11] <mdp> yes, Le Steps
  • [13:28:06] <KotH> Les D?marche!
  • [13:28:29] * mdp stabs KotH to start JIHAD!
  • [13:28:53] * KotH parries, and nukes mdp from orbit
  • [13:29:07] <dys> electronic surveillance fundamentalist BRLO embassy Osama Qaddafi corporate security S Box clandestine rs9512c Ft. Meade crypto anarchy CID EuroFed Adriatic
  • [13:29:36] <mdp> hehe...nsa fodder
  • [13:29:57] <jackmitchell> what is the best way to send a git commit as a patch attached to an email?
  • [13:30:00] <suihkulokki> anyone here can help configure my Beaglebone weather cape trigger and IED at 30 000 feet?
  • [13:30:06] <mdp> that used to be in everybody's Usenet .sig..back in the day
  • [13:30:07] <suihkulokki> exact steps please!
  • [13:30:20] <mdp> lol
  • [13:30:39] <dm8tbr> that high, that will be quite many steps...
  • [13:30:45] <mdp> jackmitchell, git format-patch ... then attach it
  • [13:31:06] <jackmitchell> ok, so it's best to attach it as a patch and send, rather than --compose?
  • [13:31:34] <mdp> well, if you really mean _attach_ that's how I've done it with corporate mail
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  • [13:32:05] <jackmitchell> I'm trying to post an RFC to the u-boot list, but I want to add some description fodder and I don't know the best way to do it../
  • [13:32:05] <plm> Hi all
  • [13:32:25] <mdp> oh, good grief, jackmitchell, please don't _attach_ !!!
  • [13:32:37] <mdp> git format-patch then git send-email
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  • [13:33:17] <jackmitchell> mdp: I thought that might be the case ;) I'll try and figure out the workflow
  • [13:33:27] <bradfa> jackmitchell, my notes from sending patches to u-boot: https://gist.github.com/bradfa/3812485
  • [13:33:28] <mdp> jackmitchell, do you want a cover letter that is sent separately?
  • [13:33:50] <jackmitchell> it's only a small patch, so a cover letter seems a bit excessive
  • [13:34:01] <mdp> it *is* ok to write an epic in the commit log
  • [13:34:22] <jackmitchell> I just want to do a bit of explaining in the email that's all
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  • [13:34:49] <KotH> Subject: Uncertainty Over Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle
  • [13:34:53] <mdp> yeah, either format-patch --cover-letter or send-email --compose gets the separate mail
  • [13:35:01] * KotH suddenly feels uncertain about quantum physics
  • [13:35:29] <mdp> so...you can always put additional info below the signed-off-by areas that ends up in the mail but wouldn't get picked up in the log
  • [13:35:38] <jackmitchell> ok, I'm going to stick with compose and pre-test it to myself ;)
  • [13:35:54] <mdp> always good measure
  • [13:37:12] <mdp> jackmitchell, to be clear, you just put your additional info below the "---" line and it won't be picked up in the log
  • [13:38:08] <mdp> that's how the changelog and diffstat are ignored in the common case. you can write your epic there
  • [13:38:08] <jackmitchell> mdp: yeah, I've used that technique before for stating changes between versions, but I'm not sure it's very clear for an explanation of how I came about to making the patch
  • [13:38:27] <mdp> it's either that...or a cover letter ;)
  • [13:38:40] <mdp> or epic in the commit log portion
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  • [13:39:18] <bertani> hi, I am having some issues booting my bb-xm after long time not using it, anybody could help me please?
  • [13:39:20] <jackmitchell> I think cover letter it is then
  • [13:40:41] <bertani> using just the power button the boot process doesn't work (because of course the xm doesn't have nand) while using power+boot it blocks immediately without even trying to boot (I get some random unreadable characters on serial)
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  • [14:23:52] <das__> https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
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  • [14:29:12] <exosyst> koen, so what would that make the bootargs? optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB_BONELT-HDMI-NOAUDIO ?
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  • [14:29:38] <koen> if BB_BONELT-HDMI-NOAUDIO is the actual partnumber, yes
  • [14:29:41] <panto> exosyst, the second one is not existant
  • [14:29:52] <panto> HDMIN
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  • [14:30:31] <exosyst> where do those names come from? Is it from the DT? As there's a BB-BONELT-HDMIN but it says "(has no audio)" on the description in the dts?
  • [14:30:56] <panto> they come from the base dts
  • [14:31:15] <panto> arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-boneblack.dts am33xx-bone-common.dtsi ...
  • [14:31:34] <exosyst> panto, koen OK, so I need to disable the HDMI audio that has a note saying "but no audio" - brilliant ;)
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  • [14:32:00] <exosyst> panto, cheers - i've got that open, I didn't know that was the source of the names to disable
  • [14:32:01] <panto> you need to disable all the automatic loading HDMI hogging capes
  • [14:32:17] <panto> what you do after that, it's your business
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  • [14:32:30] <exosyst> panto, Here lies dragons huh :)
  • [14:32:36] <panto> yep
  • [14:32:45] <panto> enjoy
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  • [14:34:22] <exosyst> So from my understanding, disable loading those - add an entry to the am33xx_pinmux for S2 so I can set it as a mode7 input and then I should be able to just gpio_request_one() and gpio_get_irq()? Makes it seem so easy :D
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  • [14:37:13] <centraldetaxis> hi all! got yesterday my BBB and i've searched for info on how to do this and can't really find a solution... I need to connect Android phone to BBB and get data from it. I tought on SSH from phone to BBB but... how do I do it?
  • [14:38:06] <centraldetaxis> i saw the devrules used in linux to access the beaglebone via serial miniusb
  • [14:38:07] <EasyAt> centraldetaxis: install ssh on your phone would be the first thing I would do
  • [14:38:27] <centraldetaxis> yes... i'm using connectbot
  • [14:39:04] <centraldetaxis> tried to put in the ip that BBB has on ethernet and no go...
  • [14:39:19] <centraldetaxis> need some ssh client that can support it thru serial?
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  • [14:41:08] <LetoThe2nd> what should serial have to do with ssh?
  • [14:41:31] <ogra_> ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh
  • [14:41:35] <ogra_> serial ssh :)
  • [14:41:35] <centraldetaxis> tought also in developing a webservice on BBB to gather all the info and get it on the phone thru post/get but at this point a bit clueless about the way to integrate it
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  • [14:41:57] <LetoThe2nd> *cough* JavaScript *cough*
  • [14:42:53] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/105
  • [14:43:24] <EasyAt> centraldetaxis: connectbot is a client
  • [14:43:33] <EasyAt> You need an ssh server on your phone
  • [14:43:44] <mru> ssh server on phone, what for?
  • [14:44:22] <ogra_> for security indeed
  • [14:44:49] <centraldetaxis> if possible the idea was to connect the phone to BBB... this BBB is to be inside a car and drivers can attach and detach their phone from BBB but still get data
  • [14:45:37] <centraldetaxis> mru: eheheheheheh
  • [14:45:52] <EasyAt> Why not just use USB
  • [14:46:11] <mru> one does not simply _use_ usb
  • [14:46:43] <mru> one can fight usb
  • [14:46:50] <mru> and ultimately surrender to it
  • [14:47:19] <centraldetaxis> when i plug in phone to BBB it's created some /dev/ttyUSB(something)... i really can see it...
  • [14:47:30] <centraldetaxis> meant...CANT
  • [14:47:44] * KotH conquered usb, once
  • [14:48:08] <mru> KotH: that's what it let you believe
  • [14:48:31] <maxinux> the usb device is what you use
  • [14:48:42] <KotH> centraldetaxis: it could be equally well an ttyACMx
  • [14:48:48] <KotH> centraldetaxis: check syslog
  • [14:49:05] <centraldetaxis> on BBB? or phone?
  • [14:49:22] <KotH> on linux
  • [14:49:31] <KotH> where ever that is running
  • [14:49:51] <KotH> mru: does that mean, i'm a true believer?
  • [14:50:07] <mru> KotH: I doubt there's anything true about you
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  • [14:51:18] <KotH> mru: i'm quite sure, that the fact of my existance is true
  • [14:51:29] <mru> I'm not
  • [14:51:40] <mru> I'd say it's about 50/50
  • [14:51:46] <KotH> mru: and "in choco veritas"
  • [14:51:56] <mru> which is actually pretty good odds
  • [14:52:01] <KotH> mru: and as i always have a certain amount of chocolate in my body.... ;)
  • [14:52:50] <centraldetaxis> something like this could work? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6928306/android-usb-host-to-serial-connection
  • [14:53:34] * KotH doesnt know what centraldetaxis is doing, so cannot answer that question
  • [14:53:40] * KotH munches some chocolate instead
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  • [14:55:59] <EasyAt> centraldetaxis: is your phone android
  • [14:56:13] <centraldetaxis> EasyAT: yes..
  • [14:57:09] <KotH> centraldetaxis: please keep in mind: http://m.xkcd.com/456/
  • [14:58:26] <centraldetaxis> yes... a lot of digging...
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  • [14:59:37] <EasyAt> centraldetaxis: Why not get the linux drivers and cross compile them if necessary and just mount the phone
  • [15:00:28] <EasyAt> s/linux drivers/USB drivers for your phone
  • [15:03:43] <centraldetaxis> compile it on the BBB?
  • [15:04:08] <EasyAt> Or cross compile
  • [15:04:14] <centraldetaxis> sorry for the dumb question but i'm at this for so many hours... that can think right
  • [15:04:53] <EasyAt> Look your device up. There might be linux drivers or it might even work out of the box
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  • [15:06:43] <das_plague> Crofton|work: give me a ping when you have time, i need to pick your brain on a spectrum analyzer
  • [15:08:04] <koen> das_plague: Crofton|work is in italy, try offering some pizza
  • [15:08:52] <das_plague> koen: ahh
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  • [15:13:00] <centraldetaxis> i've found this ... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=24348
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  • [15:13:15] <centraldetaxis> which is exactly what i've wanted...
  • [15:13:23] <centraldetaxis> but on a BBB...
  • [15:15:43] <KotH> you can do the same
  • [15:15:51] <KotH> it's still a linux you are running on a bbb
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  • [15:17:05] <centraldetaxis> hummmm...something strange...
  • [15:18:14] <centraldetaxis> if I put the SD card with lastest version of Armstrong... and boot it... doesn't even report as charging or USB connected...
  • [15:19:28] <EasyAt> I don't think the USB interface is powered on BBB
  • [15:20:07] <centraldetaxis> if I take out the card... and use the "original" version that came with BBB it charges the phone and give me the option of connect USB
  • [15:20:35] <KotH> centraldetaxis: it's angstr?m, like the scientist, not armstrong like the drug addict
  • [15:21:27] <KotH> centraldetaxis: do you use the bbb version of angstr?m?$
  • [15:21:34] <centraldetaxis> KotH: yes
  • [15:21:38] <centraldetaxis> shouldn't?
  • [15:21:42] <KotH> centraldetaxis: have you checked the dt?
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  • [15:22:08] <centraldetaxis> i really don't need anything else besides access to hardware and command line linux
  • [15:22:38] <centraldetaxis> KotH: dt?
  • [15:22:42] <KotH> yes, we only need to fix this little thing as world hunger and make everyone happy, so there will be no war anymore
  • [15:22:47] <KotH> device tree
  • [15:23:06] <KotH> centraldetaxis: your pinmux has to be correct
  • [15:23:20] <KotH> centraldetaxis: check the schematic too
  • [15:23:30] <KotH> centraldetaxis: also check the voltages at the connectors
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  • [15:27:31] <centraldetaxis> ok...power checked OK with original and the sd card...
  • [15:27:38] <centraldetaxis> 4.77v
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  • [16:15:57] <gui_> hallo!
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  • [16:23:28] <gui_> does anyone know why this .dts could be conflicting with eMMC? http://pastebin.com/VHmDcvWH
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  • [16:40:07] <KotH> centraldetaxis: that would mean that the device is not enumerated for some reason
  • [16:40:26] <KotH> centraldetaxis: to check for this, use a beagle480
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  • [16:54:55] <panto> hey
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  • [16:57:25] <_SY_> hello
  • [16:57:26] <georgem> hay is for horses
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  • [17:04:21] <gui_> ho
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  • [17:06:55] <wmat> heh, this lkml craziness is fun
  • [17:07:27] <wmat> of course, as a Canadian, I have to be polite or I'll lose my passport
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  • [17:08:08] <gui_> why?
  • [17:08:27] <georgem> Canadians are always polite
  • [17:08:33] <wmat> because Canadians are polite by nature
  • [17:08:52] <wmat> at least that's the international stereotype of canadians
  • [17:09:06] <georgem> When they get really pissed off they will write someone a letter :P
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  • [17:09:23] <XFaCE> wmat: That is, except for Harper
  • [17:09:34] <XFaCE> except he isn't Canadian, he's a psychopath
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  • [17:09:42] <wmat> heh
  • [17:09:45] <wmat> no doubt
  • [17:09:58] <gui_> i understand the being-polite stereotype, but why would they take your passport?
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  • [17:10:21] <georgem> gui_: its called a joke
  • [17:10:27] <wmat> that was a joke implying that I was being un-Canadian
  • [17:10:50] <mru> snowden was apparently not nice, so they took his passport away
  • [17:10:57] <XFaCE> yep
  • [17:11:05] <XFaCE> mru: That's the logic I see for their decision
  • [17:11:07] <gui_> i know it's a joke... but taking your passport does not change your nationality
  • [17:11:16] <XFaCE> "You are under arrest for being a bad, bad man!!"
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  • [17:11:21] <gui_> lol
  • [17:11:40] <mru> or perhaps "a very naughty boy"
  • [17:12:11] <gui_> can I use grep to search for two terms?
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  • [17:12:48] <wmat> gui_: sometimes jokes are better if not interpreted literally :/
  • [17:12:50] <XFaCE> wmat: P.S., I'm also Canadian, and will vouch for your Canadian-ness ;)
  • [17:13:06] <wmat> XFaCE: thanks ;)
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  • [17:14:32] <georgem> gui_: spi1 can be configured on quite a few different pins so finding the conflicts is a bit harder than usual.
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  • [17:14:52] <gui_> I've tried all the possibilities
  • [17:15:36] <gui_> georgem, the whole story is: I have everything setup quite nicely on an SD card. ubuntu, all 3 SPI, some python libs to use them
  • [17:16:03] <gui_> but when I make a 1:1 copy of the SD into the eMMC, it fails to load the SPI capes
  • [17:17:43] <gui_> silly question: does the eMMC cape has to be loaded before we can load other capes?
  • [17:17:45] <panto> define fail?
  • [17:18:37] <gui_> panto: fails as in: bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: failed to load firmware 'BB-SPI0-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo'
  • [17:18:46] <gui_> bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: loader: failed to load slot-7 BB-SPI0-ENABLE:00A0 (prio 0)
  • [17:18:53] <panto> there are other lines before that
  • [17:19:02] <gui_> many: http://pastebin.com/WJmCWrAv
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  • [17:19:07] <panto> are you sure /lib/firmware is populated correctly?
  • [17:19:20] <panto> and will it load at runtime if you do echo FOO >slots?
  • [17:19:37] <gui_> yes, it loads at runtime, and it loads when I boot from SD
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  • [17:20:55] <panto> strange
  • [17:21:18] <panto> hmm, wait
  • [17:21:33] <panto> the emmc cape is of a lower priority
  • [17:21:53] <panto> so when you try to load the SPI cape it is not loaded yet
  • [17:21:54] <gui_> it shouldn't be, right?
  • [17:21:56] <panto> so no rootfs
  • [17:22:04] <panto> no, that is correct
  • [17:22:26] <panto> it is of lower priority so that other capes that use the pins it uses get priority over it
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  • [17:22:30] <gui_> so that answers my silly question
  • [17:23:27] <gui_> I understand. however the SPI and eMMC dont share pins, if I'm not wrong
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  • [17:23:49] <gui_> at least one of the ports
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  • [17:24:00] <panto> the capemanager doesn't know that
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  • [17:24:27] <panto> you can get by that problem by including the dtbo in the kernel
  • [17:25:17] <gui_> hmm
  • [17:25:40] <gui_> I'll try that quickly before I go for lunch then
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  • [17:32:14] <gui_> panto, can I just copy the .dtbo files or do I need to add the source to the kernel?
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  • [17:33:53] <panto> you need to recompile the kernel
  • [17:34:33] <panto> CONFIG_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL=y, and CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE=foo
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  • [17:36:07] <cmicali> panto: been watching the checkins to kernel/3.8 on the rproc stuff, intense :)
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  • [17:36:37] <koen> cmicali: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100242854243155306943/posts/UbxDZahNoKv
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  • [17:39:39] <cmicali> koen: awesome!
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  • [17:40:11] <cmicali> koen: is the PRU code specified in the overlay?
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  • [17:40:25] <cmicali> (or rather, filename for binary in firmware/ ?)
  • [17:40:29] <koen> firmware
  • [17:40:37] <panto> firmware filename
  • [17:40:38] <cmicali> awesome
  • [17:40:42] <cmicali> The Way It Should Be(tm)
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  • [17:41:01] <koen> speaking of that, we should change it from 'testpru' to 'pantos-awesome-pwm' or something
  • [17:41:15] <panto> koen, yes, I know
  • [17:41:36] <kfoltman> panto: any introductory material on remoteproc/PRU/stuff?
  • [17:41:50] <panto> kfoltman, not yet, it's less than a week old
  • [17:42:04] <panto> I'll submit a paper for elce
  • [17:42:05] <gui_> panto, is this correct? CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE="am335x-pm-firmware.bin,BB-SPI0-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo,BB-SPI1-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo"
  • [17:42:29] <panto> I think so
  • [17:42:36] <gui_> ok, thank you
  • [17:43:35] <panto> ok, so what other PRU interface do people want?
  • [17:43:42] <kfoltman> panto: how easy/hard is it to write a bit of software to 1) make PRU push some data from a circular buffer into I2S 2) access the buffer and the current read position from user-space?
  • [17:43:45] <panto> mdp, are you around?
  • [17:44:12] <cmicali> panto: a general purpose SPI would be useful
  • [17:44:22] * mranostay looks for the troll mru
  • [17:44:27] <panto> kfoltman, PRU code is mostly like a barebones MCU code would be written
  • [17:44:31] <gui_> rebuilding kernel. aka lunch time
  • [17:44:53] <kfoltman> panto: is there a DMA or something that I could use?
  • [17:44:56] <panto> so you'd have to access the I2S IP block from the PRU (which is perfectly possible)
  • [17:45:01] <cmicali> panto: but really, the missing thing from McSPI is not having the clock limitations, which would be pretty hard with the PRU to get timing right
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  • [17:45:17] <panto> cmicali, PRU timing is pretty tight
  • [17:45:42] <kfoltman> panto: anyway, if the same I2S stuff can be done without PRU, that's even better, but it probably involves writing a kernel driver, right?
  • [17:45:48] <cmicali> panto: for example, i had a a/d chip that wanted a 40mhz SPI clock - but it really needed almost exactly 40mhz
  • [17:46:09] <cmicali> would be tricky to get a general purpose spi driver for pru that could generate those kinds of arbitrary clocks
  • [17:46:18] <kfoltman> cmicali: well, you need hardware PLL I suppose
  • [17:46:18] <cmicali> but then again, based on the acrobatics you just did, you could probably do that in your sleep
  • [17:47:14] <panto> 200/40 = 5
  • [17:47:21] <panto> PRU is clocked right
  • [17:47:41] <cmicali> yeah sorry, i meant hard to make a generalized SPI driver for PRU so you could specify a clock speed
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  • [17:53:38] <mdp> panto, yes
  • [17:53:58] <mdp> panto, just off team meeting
  • [17:54:36] <panto> what kind of a PRU interface you'd like to see
  • [17:54:43] <mdp> a good one
  • [17:54:55] <panto> you were talking about having a software SPI/I2C simulation client interface
  • [17:55:05] <panto> which you could use to test host controller implementations
  • [17:55:32] <mdp> ahh, so you know, I have it worked out already how I would do that..nothing more was needed than uio_pruss offers..more or less
  • [17:56:00] <panto> ok, carry on then :)
  • [17:56:04] <mdp> I have the protocol mostly worked out for this thing (needs more work)
  • [17:56:28] <mdp> but for that application, it's sufficient enough to provide configuration knobs in sram space
  • [17:56:39] <mdp> which I can diddle from userspace pretty easily
  • [17:57:17] <mdp> in a perfect world I would use your remoteproc work to load and reset the slave emulator
  • [17:57:44] <panto> sram is not arbitrated properly
  • [17:57:59] <panto> when both ARM and a running PRU access it
  • [17:58:44] <mdp> and rpmsg calls would change parameters (e.g. change to 16-bit word size, polarity, etc.)
  • [17:59:15] <mdp> yeah, but my use case is trivial here..you reset the slave..poke new parameters in..then go
  • [17:59:25] <mdp> there's no streaming data involved
  • [17:59:32] <panto> what about if you need to stream data?
  • [17:59:44] <mdp> I don't ;)
  • [17:59:49] <panto> btw, I don't use rpmsg
  • [17:59:59] <mdp> just telling you what the ideal would be
  • [18:00:17] <panto> it's too much work for what I want to do most of the time
  • [18:00:19] <mdp> send a msg from userspace to the driver to let it know to change mode
  • [18:00:21] <mdp> right
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  • [18:00:51] <mdp> but you can see how my case can be done just with the existing stuff
  • [18:00:56] <panto> yes
  • [18:01:08] <mdp> it's almost as dumb as the self-contained 65xx bus emulation use case
  • [18:01:24] <panto> but uio_pruss is a bad idea if you have data transfers
  • [18:01:34] <cmicali> panto: why is that
  • [18:01:56] <panto> not memory coherency
  • [18:02:03] <panto> remember your sync calls?
  • [18:02:07] <panto> *no
  • [18:02:10] <cmicali> quite well, yes that was a pain in the ass
  • [18:02:18] <cmicali> how does the rproc stuff handle that?
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  • [18:02:30] <panto> the kernel has a perfectly fine working dma coherency api
  • [18:02:36] <mdp> panto, http://elinux.org/SpiSlaveZero is still incomplete..however, I may be finishing and defining an i2c version of this soon
  • [18:02:54] <panto> what the PRU does from the point of view of the kernel is nothing more than a weird dma capable peripheral
  • [18:03:04] <mdp> I'm taking over upstreaming of an i2c driver at work and would like a finished version of that slave side
  • [18:03:18] <panto> so I patched virtio to use the dma coherent api
  • [18:03:30] <cmicali> ah
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  • [18:05:12] <mdp> panto, I did define the LCD version of this spec to allow for some pins to set polarity/phase
  • [18:05:32] <mdp> some offline updates have some consideration for alternative OOB paths to set this stuff
  • [18:06:18] <mdp> panto, one of many unfinished projects ;)
  • [18:06:27] <panto> ;)
  • [18:07:51] <panto> dinner time, bbl
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  • [18:13:26] <Sunset> hey gang. any good resources on using the UARTs for serial communication on the beaglebone black?
  • [18:16:05] <Spirilis> Sunset: http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/
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  • [18:34:33] <Marcel__> hi
  • [18:35:21] <Marcel__> german?
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  • [18:37:46] <Marcel__> tel me something....
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  • [18:42:23] <Marcel__> i hafe start my bbb run the putty console for install Python, all okay, but when i start with the comand >>>import Adafruit_BBIO.ADC as ADC <<< my beagle call me Version: ImageMagick....why?
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  • [18:46:11] <Marcel__> anyone out there???
  • [18:46:27] <mrpacket_> "hello...."
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  • [18:46:51] <_SY_> hi
  • [18:46:56] <Marcel__> hi
  • [18:47:18] <mrpacket_> Is there anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh
  • [18:47:18] <mrpacket_> Anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh
  • [18:47:18] <mrpacket_> Anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh
  • [18:47:19] <mrpacket_> Anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh
  • [18:47:21] <mrpacket_> Anyone out there (anyone out there)
  • [18:47:33] <Marcel__> nice
  • [18:47:35] * mrpacket_ is singing old Duran Duran song
  • [18:47:59] <mrpacket_> singing does not work well on interweb
  • [18:48:06] <_SY_> lol.
  • [18:48:57] <W1N9Zr0> ??? or does it? ???
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  • [18:49:39] <Marcel__> XD but i think it is better for all ^^
  • [18:49:57] <_SY_> Whats the best / easiest way to detect if an instance of an application is already running in linux? From a C application?
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  • [18:55:14] <Marcel__> compiling and run ^^
  • [18:55:16] <Marcel__> ?
  • [18:55:26] <gui_> if one can sing in the rain, why couldn't why sing on the interwebz?
  • [18:55:58] <gui_> _SY_, check the process list?
  • [18:56:01] <gui_> ps
  • [18:56:30] <_SY_> Yep, I can do that, but what I want to do is when my C app starts, to check to see if another instance is already running.
  • [18:57:00] <mrpacket_> any of the trolls still here
  • [18:57:03] <_SY_> In QNX I would look for the process using: name_open and name_attach
  • [18:57:06] <pb__> <--troll
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  • [18:58:31] <Marcel__> chek the cache?
  • [18:59:03] <Marcel__> check
  • [18:59:09] <_SY_> I can see all the PID's in /proc, but how do I look up an PID given a process name?
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  • [19:00:14] <_SY_> I guess I could spawn ps and grep for the process from my application?
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  • [19:00:50] <Peuc> Hi beagle community!
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  • [19:01:00] <_SY_> hello
  • [19:01:07] <Peuc> Juste received my first black, so I'm gonna stay here for a while
  • [19:01:21] <flufmnstr> _SY_ try pgrep
  • [19:01:22] <gui_> stupidiest way _SY_, use system("ps > ps.txt"), open file, read, parse, close
  • [19:02:01] <ifueko> can anyone help me with finding a config file for the BBB that builds a linux 3.10 kernel?
  • [19:02:04] <flufmnstr> its old, and i dont know if its still used, but that command looks for process names and returns PIDs
  • [19:02:43] <_SY_> flufmnstr: pgrep looks promising!
  • [19:02:47] <dm8tbr> ifueko: check koen's stuff, he usually has a stack of patches that make stuff work???
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  • [19:05:59] <mru> gui_: man popen
  • [19:06:14] <masta> hey guys, anybody want to try a beta image of Fedora for BBB?
  • [19:06:20] <jmoyerman> Stupid question: has anybody (or is it possible) to run the 3.2 kernel on the beaglebone black?
  • [19:06:28] <masta> just got the BBB working on f19 last night
  • [19:06:44] <gui_> mru, it's not for me, it's for _SY_
  • [19:07:05] <_SY_> mru: thank you, that looks goot too
  • [19:07:13] <_SY_> *good
  • [19:07:28] <masta> http://parasense.fedorapeople.org/f19-beagleboneblack-MATE.img.xz
  • [19:08:04] <masta> ^^ if somebody would plz give that a try and let me know any thoughts or whatever, would be fabulous.
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  • [19:11:42] <masta> For now the Fedora remix use Angstrom kernel/modules, but we got a 3.11 kernel that we hope to use in v2
  • [19:13:52] <Elgaeb> I try to access my eMMC, while I am operating from the SDcard of the BBB. I can't mount it, I get errors like 'mounting read-only'
  • [19:14:08] <jmoyerman> masta: what kernel is that image using?
  • [19:14:14] <jmoyerman> 3.8?
  • [19:14:47] <masta> jmoyerman: the kernel 3.8 from angstrom, but that will change later this week... we will move to 3.11
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  • [19:15:01] <masta> jmoyerman: this is early beta image
  • [19:16:06] <Elgaeb> my arch Linux on the SD card is mounted as mmcblk0. In the /dev list I can see the eMMC named mmcblk1, but can't mount it.
  • [19:16:37] <maxinux> Elgaeb: mmcblk1s1... not the block device itself
  • [19:17:06] <gui_> p1 not s1, right?
  • [19:18:40] <Elgaeb> I tried both the block itself mmcblk1, which I expected not to work anyway. Then I tried to mount mmcblk1boot0, which did not work.
  • [19:18:55] <Elgaeb> Why are there two boot partitions? boot0 and boot1
  • [19:19:08] <panto> Elgaeb, they're not used
  • [19:19:20] <gui_> Elgaeb, mount mmcblk1p1 and p2
  • [19:19:24] <panto> it's emmc special sauce which is not needed for us
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  • [19:19:49] <Elgaeb> okay thank you, so p2 will be the boot partition?
  • [19:20:03] <gui_> p1 = boot, p2 = rootfs
  • [19:20:50] <_SY_> strange if I type ps -ef | grep java...I see my running java processes....then if I type kill -9 pid, it kills the process but doesn't remove the pid from the list, when I next type ps-ef | grep java I still see java listed but not my processes...why is java not being killed, it is on Centos when I do the same.
  • [19:21:30] <Elgaeb> thank you, do you know what these two mmcblk1boot0 and *boot1 are doing there? Couldnt mount them.
  • [19:21:35] <_SY_> Just to clairfy I still see the PID's for the original processes listed
  • [19:21:57] <_SY_> with 'java <defunct>' as the application listed
  • [19:22:59] <KotH> _SY_: btw, about your "i dont want to become an expert in linux"
  • [19:23:01] <KotH> _SY_: http://m.xkcd.com/456/
  • [19:23:15] <_SY_> Yep...I know :)
  • [19:23:39] <KotH> so... talk to your daughter before it's too late ;)
  • [19:24:06] <_SY_> its like dilbert :)
  • [19:24:34] <_SY_> There is a lot of variation between distributions.
  • [19:25:04] <gui_> LOL the image alt text is awesome
  • [19:26:46] <dnil> Just wanted to check the process for potentially having a DTS included in the meta-beaglebone 3.8 kernel for the beaglebone. Send a patch to the mailing list or something else?
  • [19:27:30] <dnil> That is, a DTS for a custom cape.
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  • [19:37:38] <gui_> can I dd my SD card to eMMC or do I necessarily need to use an image?
  • [19:39:40] <djlewis> What! someone with a $20 to $50 embedded controller is gonna spend $385.20 / 2 for a gpl
  • [19:40:01] <georgem> gui_: is your sd card size <= eMMC size
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  • [19:40:55] <gui_> nope, but I intend to use bs=256 and count N, where N makes it smaller than 2GB and big enough to copy the whole fs
  • [19:42:20] <Elgaeb> I am dding right now my sd card image to the eMMC. Can tell you soon, if it works. :)
  • [19:42:31] <georgem> heh
  • [19:42:49] <gui_> well, so am I
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  • [19:43:00] <gui_> it does take a while though
  • [19:43:14] <Elgaeb> yes and dd shows no progress bar
  • [19:43:17] <georgem> I don't have a BBB in front of me, is the mmc partitioned? If so you're just dding the partition not the entire mmc right?
  • [19:43:25] <Elgaeb> but dd is a nice tool anyway
  • [19:43:44] <georgem> I don't think you can do that without resizing the fs first
  • [19:44:06] <Elgaeb> I dd the whole partition
  • [19:44:07] <gui_> georgem, i had dd'ed the whole drive once, using an image
  • [19:44:10] <gui_> and it worked
  • [19:44:22] <gui_> this time, i'm changing just the rootfs
  • [19:44:33] <gui_> but no image, straight from the SD
  • [19:45:01] <Elgaeb> No! error writing /dev/mmcblk1: no space left
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  • [19:45:13] <gui_> finished! time of truth!
  • [19:46:21] <georgem> Do e2fsck on it
  • [19:46:50] <gui_> nope, failed
  • [19:46:55] <gui_> didn't boot
  • [19:47:07] <gui_> i'll try to reflash the boot partition aswell
  • [19:47:09] <georgem> You should really do dumpe2fs and make sure the block count doesn't exceed the bounds of the mmc
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  • [19:48:37] <georgem> gui_: you had the sd card either unmounted or mounted ro, right?
  • [19:48:49] <gui_> mounted
  • [19:48:55] <georgem> rw or ro?
  • [19:49:03] <gui_> idk
  • [19:49:08] <gui_> i booted from it
  • [19:49:15] <georgem> you never want to dd a partition that is mounted rw
  • [19:49:34] <gui_> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 179, 0 Jan 1 2000 /dev/mmcblk0
  • [19:49:50] <gui_> ro = read only?
  • [19:49:52] <georgem> need stop systemd-journald and anything else and do: mount -oremount,ro /
  • [19:50:00] <georgem> type mount
  • [19:51:48] <gui_> tried "sudo mount -oremount,ro /", got "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
  • [19:51:53] <panto> goodnight all
  • [19:52:02] <Elgaeb> damn, I guess my backup is gone now. -.- I used dd to write my mmcblk0 to a flash drive. Then I wanted to dd it again from the flash drive to the eMMC. Then I end up with the message no space left on device. Do I have to format eMMC first?
  • [19:52:04] <gui_> good night o/
  • [19:52:24] <gui_> Elgaeb, what's the size of your SD?
  • [19:52:33] <Elgaeb> 8GB
  • [19:52:57] <Elgaeb> after writing the 11% percent was still free on it
  • [19:53:05] <gui_> that's why, eMMC is only 2GB
  • [19:53:40] <Elgaeb> I know, but the image I did from eMMC to a USB flash drive.
  • [19:53:51] <Elgaeb> That should fit again into the eMMC
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  • [19:54:29] <gui_> but are you copying a partition or the whole drive?
  • [19:54:43] <Elgaeb> the SD slot I am just using to do the operations. I booted ArchLinux from SD
  • [19:55:08] <georgem> You should really just format the mmc and use tar to copy directories
  • [19:55:17] <Elgaeb> I did sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M | sudo gzip ???c | sudo dd of=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup-ubuntu.img.gz
  • [19:56:06] <georgem> It will fit if its compressed but when you uncompress it onto the emmc its not going to fit
  • [19:56:25] <georgem> if you want to back it up use tar
  • [19:56:37] <Elgaeb> so tar is better anywat then dd, because of user rights?
  • [19:56:58] <masta> dd is faster
  • [19:58:35] <georgem> dd is fine if you're working with file systems that are the same size. What you should probably do is only partition your sd card to have the same number of blocks as eMMC and then you can dd to your hearts content
  • [19:59:18] <gui_> how do I copy my rootfs to a tar file?
  • [19:59:42] <Elgaeb> hm with $ dd if=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup*.img.gz | gzip -dc | dd of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M I am just writing an image into the eMMC that I read out of the eMMC before. Why doesnt it fit any longer?
  • [20:00:34] <georgem> gui_: If your tar has --one-file-system do it like: tar -c --one-file-system -f - . | (cd /newPartitionMountPoint/; tar -xvf -)
  • [20:00:56] <masta> dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M | xz - > /mnt/flash/BBB-backup-ubuntu.img.xz
  • [20:01:24] <gui_> georgem, what do you mean by one-file-system?
  • [20:01:52] <gui_> i plugged my SD card in my ubuntu laptop and I want to back it up to my desktop area
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  • [20:02:08] <georgem> gui_: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html search for --one-file-system
  • [20:03:06] <gui_> mm, I think I got it
  • [20:03:57] <georgem> yes, your ubuntu laptop should have that. cd into the directory it is mounted then do: tar --one-file-system -czf ~/Desktop/root.tar.gz .
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  • [20:05:03] <Elgaeb> $ sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M | sudo gzip ???c | sudo dd of=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup-ubuntu.img.gz for my back up and $ dd if=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup*.img.gz | gzip -dc | dd of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M to restore it. Maybe I have to format the eMMC first
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  • [20:05:52] <gui_> george, the output file comes first?
  • [20:05:53] <Elgaeb> I am not copying anything to or from my SDcard.
  • [20:06:05] <georgem> gui_: yes
  • [20:06:34] <gui_> it says ~/rootfs.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
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  • [20:07:46] <gui_> nevermind
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  • [20:10:02] <georgem> masta: dd is not always faster if you have a drive that is mostly empty
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  • [20:11:55] <gui_> fun thing to do: create a file named "--help"; try to move or remove it
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  • [20:13:57] <ds2> that is easy
  • [20:14:15] <ds2> if you read teh man page for rm...
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  • [20:15:39] <gui_> shhh, let me be newbie
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  • [20:22:14] <gui_> georgem, how do I extract that tar file now?
  • [20:22:27] <gui_> i hate tar commands, never know which I use
  • [20:22:37] <gui_> parameters*
  • [20:23:13] <georgem> Go to the directory you want to extract it to and do: tar -xzf ~/root.tar.gz
  • [20:23:53] <gui_> thanks
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  • [20:24:10] <gui_> will this work too? tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz /media/rootfs/
  • [20:24:57] <georgem> no. try: cd /media/rootfs/ && tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz
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  • [20:25:28] <georgem> Or I think: tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz -C /media/rootfs/
  • [20:25:43] <gui_> ok
  • [20:26:06] <gui_> got errors: tar: ./MLO: Cannot change ownership to uid 1000, gid 1000: Operation not permitted
  • [20:26:11] <gui_> will that affect me?
  • [20:26:29] <georgem> gui_: yeah
  • [20:26:49] <georgem> try: sudo tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz -C /media/rootfs/
  • [20:26:57] <gui_> i'm root
  • [20:27:01] <georgem> oh
  • [20:27:13] <georgem> ummm
  • [20:27:46] <georgem> If you mounted the card through the gui it probably squashed all of the ownership to uid 1000
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  • [20:28:30] <gui_> you mean when I mounted on my laptop or in the BBB?
  • [20:28:49] <georgem> gui_: well wait a second. MLO is usually on the fat partition
  • [20:29:05] <gui_> yes, it's the boot
  • [20:29:25] <gui_> i'm extracting the rootfs now, no errors so far
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  • [20:30:41] <shultzjr> hi all
  • [20:31:33] <georgem> If you get that error when extracting onto the boot try adding this switch: --no-same-owner
  • [20:31:55] <shultzjr> i am considering the bbb but have several questions
  • [20:32:28] <shultzjr> can the linux that comes on it be overwritten?
  • [20:32:51] <shultzjr> in the 2G card?
  • [20:32:56] <gui_> yes shultzjr
  • [20:33:08] <ds2> you can put anything in the onboard eMMC
  • [20:33:15] <shultzjr> is lubuntu a popular option?
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  • [20:33:24] <ds2> if you want to boot from it, it does need a boot loader on there
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  • [20:34:04] <shultzjr> can one connect a BIG usb hd and boot to it?
  • [20:34:21] <ds2> boot to it?
  • [20:34:33] <ds2> as long as you have a bootloader that will xfer control, sure
  • [20:34:34] <georgem> shultzjr: you can't boot to it but you could use it as your rootfs
  • [20:34:53] <masta> georgem: dd is most certainly fast if the drive has empty (sparse) regions
  • [20:34:53] <ds2> no reason you can't boot kernels, etc from teh USB HD
  • [20:35:09] <shultzjr> the computer i am on has 3 parts: swap, root and data running lubuntu
  • [20:35:41] <masta> georgem: oflags=sparse FTW
  • [20:36:14] <theterg> Has anyone used Golang on the beaglebone, and is there an angstrom binary package floating around for it?
  • [20:36:20] <gui_> yay! I booted from emmc with my new kernel! and nope, SPI still not available :(
  • [20:36:43] <gui_> there was someone talking about Go a few weeks ago
  • [20:36:56] <shultzjr> 2G eMMC should be big enough for a small lubuntu install
  • [20:37:57] <shultzjr> can the eMMC 2G be replaced with an 8G one?
  • [20:38:16] <ds2> yes if you have the appropriate tools
  • [20:38:44] <shultzjr> would one need to do any hardware level stuff?
  • [20:38:46] <gui_> shultzjr, you'd better use an SD card instead
  • [20:39:11] <shultzjr> then doesn't the eMMC just "go to waiste"?
  • [20:39:38] <Spirilis> could use it for data
  • [20:39:44] <gui_> you can use for storage
  • [20:39:51] <masta> you can still stor eyour tiny pr0n collection on the emmc
  • [20:39:56] <masta> no worries
  • [20:40:12] <georgem> eMMC is 8 bit vs 4 bit for SD card. I haven't done any benchmarks yet though...
  • [20:40:17] <shultzjr> until the nsa comes snooping
  • [20:41:23] <shultzjr> would a bbb and an aurduino mega be "something" to play with?
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  • [20:42:18] <mrpackethead> sure.
  • [20:42:19] <shultzjr> i haven't seen this kind of combo on utube at all
  • [20:42:19] <georgem> shultzjr: you could probably use them as hockey pucks in a pinch
  • [20:42:42] <mrpackethead> I find that they only are good for one round.
  • [20:42:51] <georgem> yeah...
  • [20:42:54] <mrpackethead> the shotgun destroys them too quick
  • [20:43:18] <shultzjr> what does one move on to or graduate to?
  • [20:43:52] <georgem> shultzjr: trolling
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  • [20:44:14] <shultzjr> no, my birthday and i am thinking of getting myself a present
  • [20:44:40] * mru sends shultzjr an inflatable troll
  • [20:44:48] <mru> for when #beagle is offline
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  • [20:45:17] <georgem> shultzjr: If you're interested in Linux and embedded systems BBB should be worth your money.
  • [20:45:26] <shultzjr> what is the max resolution of the bbb on the screen?
  • [20:45:34] <gui_> 1080p?
  • [20:45:47] <mru> whatever the trm says
  • [20:45:58] <georgem> 1080p I think. yeah, whatever the trm says :)
  • [20:46:01] <shultzjr> will it handle streeming video at hdtv level?
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  • [20:46:30] <gui_> question is, will your network handle?
  • [20:46:31] <mru> trm says wxga whatever that is
  • [20:46:52] <shultzjr> 1G and thinking of even more.
  • [20:46:54] <gui_> WXGA = 1280??768
  • [20:47:01] <thurgood> at 1080p... don't think the xM will even meet those needs
  • [20:47:16] <mru> the xm can output 1080p24
  • [20:47:29] <ds2> 1080p24 at 1bpp should work
  • [20:47:32] <cyp_> hello, does anyone know the password for user ubuntu on beaglebone black? It seems it doesn't accept "temppwd"
  • [20:47:32] <mru> it can't decode 1080p video though
  • [20:47:32] <thurgood> when streaming?
  • [20:47:35] <shultzjr> don't throw stones but rpi can do it i think.
  • [20:47:48] <gui_> cyp_ try ubuntu:ubuntu
  • [20:47:51] <ds2> mru: even for very low color depths?
  • [20:47:53] <gui_> or ubuntu:temppwd
  • [20:47:53] <cyp_> i flashed ubuntu on it, it booted, ssh open and nothing
  • [20:47:58] <cyp_> i tried ubuntu/ubuntu
  • [20:48:07] <ds2> 2bpp or 4bpp range
  • [20:48:11] <gui_> where did you download ubuntu?
  • [20:48:15] <mru> rpi is a very powerful video/graphics processor with a tiny arm core bolted on as an afterthought
  • [20:48:20] <cyp_> elinux.org
  • [20:48:21] <cyp_> there's a guide
  • [20:48:34] <cyp_> i also modified the passwd and shadow, added my own user and reflashed
  • [20:48:35] <gui_> the guide must tell the password
  • [20:48:38] <cyp_> also added a key
  • [20:48:39] <mru> the chip they use was actually only intended as a test chip for the videocore processor
  • [20:48:45] <cyp_> yes, the guide said the pass is "temppwd"
  • [20:48:49] <cyp_> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black
  • [20:49:03] <shultzjr> i am familiar with the rpi limitations
  • [20:49:26] <cyp_> also added a ssh key i use to log in to other servers, seems it won't accept it
  • [20:49:44] <gui_> can you log in with your new user?
  • [20:49:52] <cyp_> tried with both ubuntu and new user
  • [20:50:24] <gui_> try to make a new install and log in before making any changes
  • [20:50:33] <ds2> are you allowed to login through the path you tried?
  • [20:50:39] <gui_> then be careful while changing users and passwords
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  • [20:50:53] <cyp_> first i installed vanilla
  • [20:50:55] <cyp_> didn't work
  • [20:50:57] <cyp_> login didn't work
  • [20:51:00] <cyp_> everything else did
  • [20:51:07] <gui_> how are you connected?
  • [20:51:07] <cyp_> then changed the sd card i used for flashing the emmc
  • [20:51:12] <gui_> ssh? serial cable?
  • [20:51:13] <cyp_> LAN
  • [20:51:23] <cyp_> i see the ip, ssh is open and everything
  • [20:51:26] <cyp_> just can't log in :)
  • [20:51:36] <ds2> is the keys owned by the right user?
  • [20:51:42] <cyp_> yes, chown, chmod 600
  • [20:51:42] <gui_> you're sure it's the right IP?
  • [20:51:48] <cyp_> both the .ssh dir and they authorized_keys
  • [20:51:53] <ds2> and is it in the right format for your sshd?
  • [20:51:57] <cyp_> yup, i'm sure the ip is right
  • [20:52:03] <gui_> do you have a serial cable?
  • [20:52:08] <cyp_> nope, no serial
  • [20:52:17] <gui_> do you know how to build one?
  • [20:52:26] <cyp_> isn't it an easier way?
  • [20:52:32] <gui_> buy ohne
  • [20:52:34] <gui_> one
  • [20:52:45] <cyp_> i know i can make a daemon that listens on some port and gives me a shell
  • [20:52:48] <cyp_> put it on the sd, reflash
  • [20:52:50] <cyp_> and bam, login
  • [20:52:55] <cyp_> but i was expecting it to work
  • [20:52:56] <shultzjr> stupid question, wouldn't ethernet be easier?
  • [20:53:06] <cyp_> it is connected trough ethernet
  • [20:53:12] <cyp_> and works, responds to ping, ssh open
  • [20:53:16] <cyp_> just won't allow me to log in
  • [20:53:17] <ds2> what sshd are you using?
  • [20:53:20] <gui_> shultzjr, yes, but he's having trouble thru LAN
  • [20:53:23] <cyp_> default, lemme check
  • [20:53:35] <cyp_> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.1
  • [20:54:03] <shultzjr> fault in the installed code? reload?
  • [20:54:03] <ds2> is authorized_keys in the ascii format for openssh?
  • [20:54:21] <cyp_> ascii
  • [20:54:28] <cyp_> i did what i always do, wget it from a url
  • [20:54:32] <cyp_> and chmod, chown, etc
  • [20:54:37] <cyp_> anyway, i also copied the shadow encryption
  • [20:54:47] <cyp_> so even if the key won't work, the pass should
  • [20:55:07] <cyp_> come to think of it, i think it's not the passwords
  • [20:55:16] <cyp_> i don't think it'll let anything log in
  • [20:55:21] <ds2> ubuntu can use F'ed password encryption
  • [20:55:34] <cyp_> i noticed, the default one seems ancient
  • [20:55:40] <mru> koen: https://plus.google.com/112218872649456413744/posts/3zf3D3Vkw55 search for 'dutch'
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  • [20:56:10] <cyp_> ubuntu:rcdjoac1gVi9g:15870:0:99999:7:::
  • [20:56:13] <cyp_> the default shadow
  • [20:56:23] <cyp_> very short hash, so probably ancient
  • [20:56:38] <mru> and no $ signs in it
  • [20:56:38] <cyp_> which is odd, cat debian_version -> wheezy/sid
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  • [20:56:49] <mru> so the default, weak hash
  • [20:57:06] <cyp_> or wrong shadow format
  • [20:57:15] <cyp_> should also have $ for expiry and such
  • [20:57:48] <mru> the stronger hashes are indicated by a $n$ prefix
  • [20:57:56] <cyp_> cyp:$6$gAqXpu9V$ckBlsqjt0///0cxAP3ZvZOxkKlQSB6tOUH4CkDqRspAaWR2j/5sCgA.iXIo6w2yvJt2x2vZbWr1VmMSqDJgOz.:15821:0:99999:7:::
  • [20:57:57] <mru> with different n indicating different hashes
  • [20:57:59] <cyp_> like this one :P
  • [20:58:26] <cyp_> anyway, also added my user and nothing
  • [20:58:36] <cyp_> seems the ubuntu image from elinux.org is screwy
  • [20:58:59] <mru> that looks like a sha256 hash iirc
  • [20:59:19] <cyp_> probably
  • [20:59:23] <cyp_> but salted
  • [20:59:35] <cyp_> anyway, that's besides the point
  • [20:59:41] <cyp_> i wonder if that image works for anybody else
  • [20:59:42] <mru> even the ancient ones are salted
  • [21:00:04] <cyp_> what do you guys use?
  • [21:00:07] <cyp_> armstrong?
  • [21:00:16] <cyp_> or whatever the name
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  • [21:03:47] <gui_> you mean angstrom?
  • [21:03:52] <cyp_> yup
  • [21:03:57] <_av500_> I'M ALIVE!!!
  • [21:03:58] <gui_> i'm using ubuntu
  • [21:04:03] <_av500_> oops, wrong channel
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  • [21:04:06] <cyp_> which image did you get?
  • [21:04:15] <gui_> followed a couple of tuts
  • [21:04:16] <gui_> hold on
  • [21:04:20] <jmoyerman> I'm using debian here.
  • [21:04:24] <gui_> http://yellowfeather.co.uk/blog/2012/03/26/userland-spi-on-the-beaglebone-with-ubuntu/ http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone
  • [21:04:28] <cyp_> yeah, flashing debian right now
  • [21:04:37] <cyp_> don't know why i haven't from the start
  • [21:04:43] <jmoyerman> having some slight difficulty getting audio going, but it's coming along
  • [21:04:51] <cyp_> it's my go-to distrib for servers
  • [21:05:12] <gui_> how can I add device tree descriptions to the kernel?
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  • [21:07:21] <cyp_> so weird
  • [21:07:22] <cyp_> debian:rcdjoac1gVi9g:15870:0:99999:7:::
  • [21:07:31] <cyp_> encryption in /etc/shadow for debian
  • [21:07:37] <cyp_> it's the same as in ubuntu
  • [21:07:49] <cyp_> something's strange
  • [21:08:12] <cyp_> debian also has a root password set up i see
  • [21:09:02] <Elgaeb> cyp: do you got an uHDMI cable to login with a screen and keyboard connected to your BBB?
  • [21:09:24] <cyp_> sadly no, not yet
  • [21:09:32] <cyp_> just got my bbb today
  • [21:09:43] <cyp_> so haven't yet bought other stuff
  • [21:09:56] <Elgaeb> I can login to my debian and ubuntu distros with the temppwd pw.
  • [21:10:12] <cyp_> what's the encryption?
  • [21:10:35] <Elgaeb> sry I am a little newby, what is an encryption
  • [21:10:47] <cyp_> as root : grep debian /etc/shadow
  • [21:10:53] <Elgaeb> mom
  • [21:11:31] <Elgaeb> debian:rcdjoac1gVi9g:15870:0:99999:7:::
  • [21:12:07] <cyp_> strange
  • [21:12:12] <Elgaeb> hey, try to login with root and pw root. That worked as well!
  • [21:12:21] <cyp_> i know, on debian it does
  • [21:12:31] <cyp_> i mean it's written in the wiki
  • [21:12:43] <cyp_> but on ubuntu there's no root encryption, so no root pw
  • [21:13:46] <Elgaeb> so you can ssh to debian but not to ubuntu?
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  • [21:14:52] <Elgaeb> I got a question to these to distros. Is there really just the command line and no GUI at all? I found some distros that use a nice gnome gui
  • [21:15:02] <cyp_> nope, can't ssh in any of them
  • [21:15:13] <cyp_> you can install gui
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  • [21:15:22] <cyp_> some maybe have them installed already
  • [21:15:24] <jmoyerman> you can put gui's on them
  • [21:15:25] <cyp_> try running startx
  • [21:15:29] <cyp_> as a non-root user
  • [21:15:39] <Elgaeb> yeah i tried, startx doesnt work
  • [21:15:53] <mranostay> Crofton|work: nice picture. what mountain range is that?
  • [21:15:54] <jmoyerman> what dist are you using?
  • [21:16:36] <Elgaeb> that's I fine, I dont need a GUI
  • [21:17:02] <jmoyerman> d'oh. I wonder if my audio card isn't working...
  • [21:18:11] <mranostay> jmoyerman: deaf?
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  • [21:23:19] <Elgaeb> what is your error message, when you ssh into your debian?
  • [21:23:38] <jmoyerman> mranostay: ha ha ha. No.
  • [21:24:10] <Elgaeb> root root and debian temppwd should work. We both are using the exact same image from elinux.org
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  • [21:26:09] <Elgaeb> I just tried again to ssh into debian with root root.
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  • [21:26:53] <Elgaeb> did you try the angstrom distro which was preinstalled?
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  • [21:42:48] <gui_> if I want to clean my emmc partitions without losing the partitioning, can I just "rm -r *"?
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  • [21:53:08] <mru> mkfs might be faster and/or more thorough
  • [21:55:12] <mranostay> little more sane too
  • [21:55:26] <mranostay> but who wants that?
  • [21:55:36] <mru> mranostay: since when do you care about sanity?
  • [21:56:03] <mranostay> did i say i did?
  • [21:56:08] <mranostay> i was just making a point :P
  • [21:56:16] <mru> ah, sanity is for other people
  • [21:56:25] <mru> oh wait, s/other//
  • [21:56:27] <mru> you're a troll
  • [21:57:25] <mru> speaking of trolls, a funny thing happened in dublin
  • [21:58:24] <mranostay> you can't spell troll without toll
  • [21:58:27] <mru> I was at the bar talking with some kernel hacker when a woman I didn't recognise walked up and started chatting with us (she knew the other guy)
  • [21:58:50] <mranostay> no priest and duck?
  • [21:58:50] <mru> after a minute or so, I thought "that has got to be becky", and sure enough it was becky
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  • [21:59:34] <mranostay> mru: never met beckyb in person before?
  • [21:59:35] <mru> I didn't even know she was there
  • [21:59:46] <masta> gui_: you could use the -O option of sfdisk to backup the partition table or whatever
  • [22:00:01] <mru> I think I would have remembered
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  • [22:01:43] <Tenkawa> anyone booting their bbb from usb?
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  • [22:03:29] <Tenkawa> I've heard its possible however I've yet to pull off the feat yet
  • [22:03:59] <mru> depends on what you mean by booting from usb
  • [22:04:01] <mranostay> that is quite a feat
  • [22:04:56] <mranostay> K9 is easier to climb
  • [22:05:14] <Tenkawa> mru: apparently u-boot can be made to boot from usb
  • [22:05:23] <mru> depends on what you mean by booting from usb
  • [22:05:43] <Tenkawa> mru: mmc/sd card booting the root fs on an attached usb
  • [22:05:52] <mranostay> eh
  • [22:05:57] <mru> universally shitty boot
  • [22:06:57] <Tenkawa> trying an experiment now
  • [22:09:35] <Tenkawa> 1this should be "intriguing"
  • [22:10:38] <Tenkawa> I may also not have new enough firmware on my box either
  • [22:10:55] <mru> huh?
  • [22:11:04] <Tenkawa> I seem to recall reading their was a flash update to the emmc
  • [22:11:22] <Tenkawa> er there
  • [22:11:29] <mru> you can put whatever you want there
  • [22:13:04] <mru> it's not like a pc bios that can only be updated by black magic on a floppy disk despite the board lacking a controller
  • [22:13:34] <pb__> anyone here have experience setting up swat for samba
  • [22:13:50] * mru mainly swats flies
  • [22:14:03] <Tenkawa> pb__: years ago yes
  • [22:14:03] <Tenkawa> anytime recently no
  • [22:14:35] <pb__> trying to figure out how to edit its config via ssh
  • [22:14:41] <pb__> can't seem to find the file to modify for it
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  • [22:15:12] <Elgaeb> I inserted an SD into the BBB with Angstrom eMMC flasher. Then I pressed the S2 button and powered it on like in the discription. Is it right that angstrom boots up? Is the flashing of the eMMC happening right now in the background?
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  • [22:16:24] <Tenkawa> mightjust have to build my own initrd to do this
  • [22:16:34] <Tenkawa> I really want to put my spare ssd to use
  • [22:17:21] <georgem_home> If I'm going to troll around in this channel I suppose I should probably actually cough up the money for a BBB so I can help people more easily.
  • [22:17:58] <mru> that's not actually necessary
  • [22:18:05] <mru> professional guesses are quite sufficient here
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  • [22:18:10] <georgem_home> heh
  • [22:18:21] <Tenkawa> and even some not so professional ones right?
  • [22:18:21] <Tenkawa> heheh
  • [22:19:20] <mranostay> mru: lkml professional?
  • [22:20:27] <Elgaeb> I flashed the eMMC a couple times before successfully with angstrom, but now I got a screen connected and can see the command line of Angstrom. So I am not sure if it is flashing my eMMC right now
  • [22:20:36] <georgem_home> There have been a lot of eMMC related questions recently
  • [22:20:50] <mru> mranostay: you weren't around when 26+26=54 originated, right?
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  • [22:21:40] <georgem_home> mru: was that pre beaglebone white? like more beaglebone time frame?
  • [22:21:46] <georgem_home> beagleboard*
  • [22:22:20] <mru> it was in 2010 iirc
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  • [22:22:47] <mranostay> mru: nope
  • [22:22:53] <mranostay> read the log iirc
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  • [22:23:32] * Tenkawa really should get a serial cable
  • [22:24:32] <mranostay> mru: why you ask?
  • [22:24:39] <Tenkawa> this dependence on hdmi sucks
  • [22:25:01] <georgem_home> Some poor shmuck has posted his RPi based NAS on google+. I wonder how the USB will hold out. Hopefully CRC checks will keep him from losing any data.
  • [22:25:10] <mru> mranostay: the word 'professional' featured prominently in the incident
  • [22:25:27] <mranostay> oh right :)
  • [22:25:47] <mru> <stnbl> thanks for your guesses. but again, i'm a professional and do not need guesses, all the guesses you shout; i can too. i need real answers. instead of wasting time, direct me to the real answer next time, ok?
  • [22:25:48] <mranostay> are there any professional embedded linux engineers here?
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  • [22:26:09] <masta> hehe
  • [22:26:31] <mranostay> mru: sounds like a fun guy
  • [22:26:46] <mru> it was hilarious
  • [22:27:04] <Tenkawa> hey... how can you tell if your bbb is still limiting the usb power throughput?
  • [22:27:18] <georgem_home> Guessing is my normal mode of operation for answering questions at work. How else are you supposed maintain your concentration long enough to get something done with people asking stupid ass questions.
  • [22:27:44] <mranostay> mru: sure hope he found some professionals
  • [22:28:13] <Tenkawa> wheres the fun in that?
  • [22:28:19] <Tenkawa> heheh
  • [22:28:48] <Tenkawa> sometimes "not" knowing everything can be really fun
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  • [22:29:11] <Tenkawa> actually most of the time I enjoy the challenge of learning
  • [22:29:32] <georgem_home> +1
  • [22:29:39] <Tenkawa> my unit must still be limiting the current
  • [22:29:49] <Tenkawa> the ssd even mounted as an external drive locks up the box
  • [22:30:52] <mranostay> Tenkawa: except with deadlines :P
  • [22:31:19] <georgem_home> Tenkawa: yeah if you have a BBB you really need to get a USB to TTL serial adapter
  • [22:32:56] <georgem_home> mranostay: meet caffine and pizza
  • [22:33:37] <masta> is there a thermistor in the BBB cpu, sorta like on the panda?
  • [22:34:09] * masta does not see the temp_sensor in sysfs
  • [22:34:30] <georgem_home> masta: check the TRM
  • [22:34:32] <masta> wondering if it exists, just not enabled or configured or whatever
  • [22:34:38] <georgem_home> I would but I'm lazy
  • [22:35:15] <georgem_home> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73h/spruh73h.pdf
  • [22:35:49] <georgem_home> Infact I should write a bot that spams that whenever someone asks a question.
  • [22:35:55] <georgem_home> j/k
  • [22:36:15] <masta> hehe
  • [22:37:20] <mranostay> georgem_home: no beer?
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  • [22:38:08] <georgem_home> mranostay: It's 5:37 here, I'm drinking Fat Tire
  • [22:38:50] <georgem_home> say away from the beer if you're doing a codeathon though
  • [22:39:02] <mranostay> bah
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  • [22:42:35] <pb__> that was interesting
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  • [22:59:04] <georgem_home> I just thought of a good idea for a kick starter campaign. Hrmmm
  • [23:00:37] <prpplague> beaglebone black beer?
  • [23:01:11] <ka6sox> yum
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  • [23:02:37] <georgem_home> well... thats actually a better idea. lets go with that
  • [23:03:21] <SpeedEvil> Or pets. Beaglebone black bears.
  • [23:03:31] <mranostay> prpplague: beagleborad.org needs to be the logo
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  • [23:05:08] <mranostay> av500: no minnowborad yet?
  • [23:05:29] <georgem_home> Ha. Actually I was just looking at the minnowboard and I remembered how much I hate GMA 500/600
  • [23:06:07] <georgem_home> And all powervr graphics cores... which leads to my kickstarter idea
  • [23:09:57] <prpplague> mranostay: av500 's should ship this week
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  • [23:11:09] <mranostay> hmm you really can't put a borad suit on a fish
  • [23:11:41] <mranostay> prpplague: the fish have a name?
  • [23:12:02] <prpplague> mranostay: i am sorry i did not understand your question
  • [23:12:27] <mranostay> prpplague: minnowboard mascot :)
  • [23:12:35] <prpplague> mranostay: oh, no clue
  • [23:14:05] <georgem_home> PSA for anyone that cares: Serious Sam 3 and Amnesia: The Dark Descent are up for flash sale on Steam for $3.99 with Linux support.
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  • [23:22:09] <mdp> mranostay, rework that fish to a mermaid...call it wanda...apply appropriate clothing
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  • [23:26:50] <flufmnstr> im trying out this tut(http://derekmolloy.ie/gpios-on-the-beaglebone-black-using-device-tree-overlays/) on device tree overlays but i dont have anything in /sys/kernel/debug/
  • [23:27:00] <flufmnstr> *running debian
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  • [23:30:10] <mdp> mranostay, for a large fee I can help your company rescue this project
  • [23:31:20] <mranostay> any kickbacks? :P
  • [23:34:06] <mdp> I will msg you exactsteps
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  • [23:42:01] <georgem_home> flufmnstr: you probably need to "mount -tdebugfs none /sys/kernel/debug". that is an off the top of my head beer influenced answer though
  • [23:43:45] <flufmnstr> sounds right, i just found a post about out it
  • [23:44:43] <flufmnstr> yep, there it all is
  • [23:45:19] <flufmnstr> georgem_home chalk one up for beer influenced anaswers
  • [23:46:18] <georgem_home> +1
  • [23:47:23] <mru> beer is truth
  • [23:50:57] <flufmnstr> whats this UUID business in fstab?
  • [23:51:32] <flufmnstr> is that because im runnin from the internal storage?
  • [23:54:07] <mdp> mru, my tripel agrees with you
  • [23:54:44] <mdp> as long as I'm not angry, drinking and posting publicly seems ok
  • [23:55:22] <Elgaeb> can you guys still download angstrom distros? I get error messages when I klick onto the files on this page: http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
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  • [23:56:32] <rich_> looking at the beaglebone and trying to see if I can use two SPI ports from the chip? Is the configuration eeprom able to allow me to do this with the standard CAPES?
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  • [23:56:58] <thurgood> what do you get on the actual site .. http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [23:57:01] <georgem_home> rich_: I don't think you can use the first spi port. let me see
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  • [23:58:11] <georgem_home> well maybe you can...