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  • [00:15:55] <Russ> wmat, ontario CA, or CA?
  • [00:16:00] <Russ> er, CA, or .ca?
  • [00:16:49] <Russ> I'm guessing .ca by the hostname
  • [00:17:14] <emocakes> california!
  • [00:17:23] <Russ> geez, it is, the whether in ontario CA is much nicer
  • [00:17:25] <Russ> er, weather
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  • [00:26:09] <wmat> Russ: heh, .ca
  • [00:26:19] <wmat> Russ: waterloo, on, canada
  • [00:27:21] <wmat> it was about 41C with the humidex here today
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  • [00:32:21] <DDC> has the latest Angstrom emmcFlasher incorporated a usb hotplug fix?
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  • [00:34:55] <wmat> DDC: not to my knowledge
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  • [00:35:05] <wmat> DDC: but you could always just try it
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  • [02:47:53] <xiaorong> anybody had installed debian on beaglebone black?
  • [02:49:07] <xiaorong> I want to know if I have,Can i still access beaglebone black through usb cable?
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  • [03:39:13] <xiaorong> which os did you installed.I don't think angstrom is good to use.
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  • [04:03:47] <m_billybob> typical weekend in here eh ?
  • [04:04:00] <m_billybob> almost as if its the 4th already.
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  • [04:53:42] <mranostay> m_billybob: trolls!
  • [04:58:41] <dm8tbr> moooo
  • [04:59:28] <mranostay> dm8tbr: TROOL!
  • [04:59:36] <mranostay> *TROLL
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  • [05:02:29] <mranostay> hi emocakes
  • [05:02:55] <emocakes> hai
  • [05:03:13] <dm8tbr> mranostay: trololololololo!
  • [05:03:58] <emocakes> xiaorong
  • [05:04:01] <emocakes> #beagle
  • [05:04:04] <emocakes> someone has debian on it
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  • [05:47:25] <av500> NUKE THEM FROM ORBIT!
  • [05:47:30] <av500> oops, wrong channel
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  • [06:05:42] * Russ wonders which channel is the right channel for such language
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  • [06:12:27] <kblin> Russ: #politics or somesuch ;)
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  • [06:15:06] <Modo_> hi, does anyone know if there is a beagleboneblack debian ARMEL (not armhf) image avaible for download anywhere ?
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  • [06:50:33] <Modo_> hi, does anyone know if there is a beagleboneblack debian ARMEL (not armhf) image avaible for download anywhere ?
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  • [06:57:38] <philenotfound> spenser309: iirc you're working on the ti-gfx stuff, right?
  • [06:57:46] <KotH> a wonderfull, rainy JIHAD everyone!
  • [06:58:12] <Russ> KotH, here, we just call it Monday
  • [06:59:50] <KotH> here, we just drink tea and enjoy the blood bath :)
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  • [07:01:16] <_Sy_> hello
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  • [07:02:42] <_Sy_> Anyone here?
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  • [07:03:56] <KotH> no, we just went home
  • [07:04:14] <_Sy_> :)
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  • [07:05:26] <LetoThe2nd> howdy pardners
  • [07:05:45] <_Sy_> I'm making good progress on my project now, I need to connect two BBB's together to communicate using another media other than ethernet, so I can tell if one of them has fallen over....I plan to use both ethernet and another method and if comms is lost on both then I can determine the BBB is down...
  • [07:06:15] <_Sy_> Are they're any FAQ's or posts on connecting via serial links?
  • [07:07:14] <LetoThe2nd> man ppp ;)
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  • [07:09:50] <_Sy_> How does ppp help, its a protocol, I already have communications over ethernet, I want to connect them via serial too.
  • [07:11:01] <KotH> _Sy_: you have to set the right pinmux for the serial interface you want to use
  • [07:11:11] <KotH> _Sy_: after that, it's all just using the right tty
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  • [07:11:40] <_Sy_> ty, will take a look tonight
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  • [07:16:21] <emocakes> oooh ppp
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  • [07:19:14] <LetoThe2nd> and then you can use ppp over the serial pins to establish and watch a link ;)
  • [07:19:27] <LetoThe2nd> mind, plain ppp, not pppoe ;)
  • [07:20:51] <m_billybob> could even do something like settign the WDT buthey thats crazyness
  • [07:21:00] <LetoThe2nd> <3 WDT
  • [07:21:18] <LetoThe2nd> but wdt over serial sounds a bit crazy indeed ;)
  • [07:21:35] <m_billybob> no need to use uart
  • [07:21:42] <m_billybob> jus ta simple gpio pin
  • [07:21:45] <LetoThe2nd> (was a joke)
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  • [07:22:29] <m_billybob> lol
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  • [07:23:20] <m_billybob> this was my exictment for the day
  • [07:23:22] <m_billybob> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/beaglebone-black-init-scripts-default-gatewayand-ntpdate/
  • [07:23:36] <m_billybob> excitement too
  • [07:24:01] <m_billybob> nothign worse than having somethign working only to break when you do somethign else, to lend to even more confusion.
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  • [07:34:01] <jkroon_> koen, ping
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  • [07:56:33] <acerext> i want to know how to edit android rom for beagle board
  • [07:57:50] <KotH> use a focused heavy ion beam
  • [07:58:13] <acerext> any one with d answer??
  • [07:58:32] <acerext> i want to know how to edit android rom for beagle board???
  • [07:59:04] <av500> no
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  • [08:01:23] <ynezz> xxd rom.img | vim
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  • [08:01:45] <ynezz> err, xxd system.img | vim
  • [08:01:46] <das> lachen heraus laut
  • [08:01:51] <cityLights> did anyone install gentoo on the BBB and can offer an iso
  • [08:02:44] <ka6sox> mourning
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  • [08:19:52] <kilroi> How to set a static IP on a BBB?
  • [08:23:32] <av500> http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/02/06/beaglebone-linux-101-assigning-a-static-ip-address-with-connman/
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  • [08:29:52] <Modo_> hi, does anyone know if there is a beagleboneblack debian ARMEL (not armhf) image avaible for download anywhere ?
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  • [08:31:33] <av500> there is this startup in mountain view
  • [08:31:45] <av500> they like surf all websites
  • [08:31:49] <av500> take notes
  • [08:31:51] <kilroi> ok, I tried this and there is no output with ./get-services
  • [08:32:26] <KotH> das: lhl? :)
  • [08:32:29] <kilroi> con(n)mand is running
  • [08:33:32] <KotH> JIHAD! ka6sox-away
  • [08:34:42] <kilroi> and ./set-ipv4-method ethernet_c8a030abd2fb_cable manual 192.168.178.5 255.255.255.0 192.168.178.1 produces a bunch of errors.
  • [08:35:46] <m_billybob> Modo_ it'd be pre 3.8 if you do find one
  • [08:36:37] <av500> kilroi: it used to work for me
  • [08:36:41] <av500> but that was like 6mo ago
  • [08:36:48] <av500> dunno what changed inbetween
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  • [08:37:26] <kilroi> which image? perhaps i flash anorther one
  • [08:37:39] <av500> whatever was the image back then
  • [08:38:05] <av500> and it was not a BBB image
  • [08:38:13] <kilroi> wich board revision?
  • [08:38:34] <av500> it does not matter
  • [08:38:39] <av500> this is a conmann issue
  • [08:38:43] <kilroi> i have A5B
  • [08:38:47] <av500> and XM
  • [08:38:51] <av500> an*
  • [08:39:23] <kilroi> ok thanks, let me try
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  • [08:40:13] <KotH> kilroi: oh.. i see you can now properly thank people! what a wonderfull development!
  • [08:40:33] <m_billybob> JIHAD !
  • [08:41:12] <KotH> JIHAD you too!
  • [08:41:19] <m_billybob> heh
  • [08:41:30] * m_billybob fires up DS9 season 3 andclimbs into bed
  • [08:41:33] <m_billybob> nini
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  • [08:42:03] <KotH> sleep well!
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  • [10:12:28] <krish> hello
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  • [10:12:51] <Guest45328> need help
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  • [10:15:20] <av500> yes
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  • [10:21:24] <KotH> .o0(what a name)
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  • [10:30:29] <jackmitchell> I'm trying to boot the beaglebone with the mainline kernel, using the latest set of DMA patches, now, all seems to be going well but then the kernel gets stuck at 'Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2'
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  • [10:30:47] <jackmitchell> however, the kernel is located on the mmc
  • [10:31:24] <jackmitchell> so the mmc driver is definitely working; does hanging at this message set off any alarm bells for anyone?
  • [10:31:47] <jackmitchell> filesystem support maybe?
  • [10:33:19] <XorA> jackmitchell: mainline has no mmc driver defined in DTB for bone
  • [10:34:31] <jackmitchell> XorA: ah hah, that would do it ;)
  • [10:34:53] <jackmitchell> so led3 is tied to mmc0, but there is no mmc0
  • [10:35:04] <jackmitchell> don't you just love consistency
  • [10:35:33] <XorA> koens evil vendor tree has many patches not upstreamed :-(
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  • [10:36:29] <jackmitchell> yes, I understand; but I'm playing with a for-next 3.11 tree, which has supposedly been booted on mmc
  • [10:36:46] <jackmitchell> however there must have been more patches in it that weren't posted
  • [10:38:10] <jackmitchell> I would copy over the mcc definition from koens tree, but the bindings have changed a lot since 3.8 and I don't think it would be compatible
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  • [11:07:48] <Relampago> Hi
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  • [11:56:56] <mrpackethead> Chocolate?
  • [11:56:59] <mrpackethead> finally home
  • [11:59:15] <KotH> juup, i have some here
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  • [12:11:53] <KotH> poor av500
  • [12:12:10] <KotH> living in the big canton in the north.. and being deprived of good chocolate
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  • [12:28:29] <panto> howdy
  • [12:28:38] <LetoThe2nd> panto: howdy :)
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  • [12:54:43] <jackmitchell> panto, do you have any idea what the 2 crossbar dma events relate to? I'm trying to get mainline booting with the latest DMA patches and I'm having no luck with the mmc after porting the dts, so I was wondering if the xbar events were mmc related
  • [12:55:24] <panto> iirc xbar dma is not needed for mmc
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  • [12:55:54] <jackmitchell> yeah I looked at the TRM and it it seemed that way, but thought I would double check as i've hit a bit of a wal
  • [12:56:02] <panto> jackmitchell, yeah, welcome to our hell
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  • [12:56:20] <jackmitchell> panto: I'm practically there, I can almost feel it
  • [12:56:29] <panto> gimme access to a repo that have your changes and perhaps I can give it a look
  • [12:56:33] <jackmitchell> but I'm getting stuck on: 'Waiting for root device'
  • [12:56:46] <jackmitchell> panto: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/nsekhar/linux-davinci.git/log/?h=v3.11/soc-2
  • [12:56:48] <panto> jackmitchell, that's edma event not received
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  • [12:56:58] <panto> jackmitchell, thanks
  • [12:57:10] <panto> will probably take a look in a couple of hours
  • [12:57:14] <jackmitchell> thats the latest v12 edma patches
  • [12:57:23] <jackmitchell> ready for 3.11
  • [12:57:23] <panto> perfect
  • [12:57:41] <panto> we wanted to take a look at it for some time but we didn't have time
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  • [12:57:54] <panto> since the new release is out, I'll take a look
  • [12:58:22] <jackmitchell> I have contacted joel, and waiting back on him, as he has apparently tested this tree with mmc; but I think he must have an addition patch, or maybe a tweaked dts
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  • [13:00:08] <fedlap> hi, has anyone tried to autostart an app after gui login on beaglebone with angstrom linux?
  • [13:01:13] <jackmitchell> fedlap: that shoudn't be a problem
  • [13:01:21] <jackmitchell> what is the desktop environment, gnome2?
  • [13:01:38] <fedlap> i believe its gdm, mus be gnome :)
  • [13:02:14] <jackmitchell> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8247706/start-script-when-gnome-starts-up
  • [13:02:22] <jackmitchell> give that a whirl
  • [13:02:52] <fedlap> k, ty
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  • [13:11:54] <fedlap> jackmitchell, i've followed the suggestion on stackoverflow and created a file in the autostart folder with my content. After the last reboot, my app still didn't start and that file in the autostart folder got cleared....any ideas?
  • [13:13:25] <jackmitchell> that is strange, where did you put the file?
  • [13:14:01] <jackmitchell> and can you look and see if there us a menu icon in System/Preferences called Statup Applicatoons, or Sessions
  • [13:14:48] <fedlap> i created the file in /home/root/.config/autostart
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  • [13:15:47] <jackmitchell> and you called the file myapp.desktop?
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  • [13:16:01] <fedlap> no, just myapp
  • [13:16:17] <jackmitchell> hmm, I think you need ot fix it with .desktop extention
  • [13:16:24] <jackmitchell> http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
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  • [13:23:16] <fedlap> i added the .desktop extension now. Content of myapp.desktop wasn't cleared anymore, but my app still doesn't start :(
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  • [13:24:51] <av500> pastebin the file
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  • [13:25:42] <fedlap> how can i pastebin?
  • [13:26:04] <av500> pastebin.com
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  • [13:27:11] <fedlap> http://pastebin.com/DBD4tafL
  • [13:30:15] <fedlap> and the content of my sh file is here: http://pastebin.com/Tu0XENyP
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  • [13:32:22] <jackmitchell> and start.sh is an executable? i.e. chmod +x?
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  • [13:33:18] <jackmitchell> http://pastebin.com/qVbnBw4d
  • [13:33:39] <jackmitchell> That is the minimum requirements
  • [13:33:47] <jackmitchell> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
  • [13:34:04] <jackmitchell> No point having non needed values in there while trying to debug
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  • [13:34:45] <mranostay> morning-o
  • [13:35:01] <jackmitchell> But I would make sure that start.sh is executable, I would take a guess that it isn't
  • [13:35:25] <jackmitchell> mranostay: good morn to you
  • [13:35:26] <fedlap> how can i check, if it's executable?
  • [13:35:36] <av500> ls -l
  • [13:35:40] <av500> show show x
  • [13:35:44] <av500> should show
  • [13:35:48] <jackmitchell> ls -la /path/to/script
  • [13:36:00] <jackmitchell> then look for the x ^^
  • [13:36:46] <fedlap> it has 3 x's ;)
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  • [13:37:00] <fedlap> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 95 Jun 24 2013 start.sh
  • [13:37:02] <jackmitchell> that means it executable then
  • [13:37:24] <jackmitchell> in which case, I'm stumped
  • [13:38:30] <fedlap> well, i just made it executable before :) i'm trying it right now
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  • [13:39:01] <av500> you never called it by hand to try?
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  • [13:39:13] <panto> are you sure ant is in the PATH?
  • [13:39:34] <panto> the PATH could be sanitized
  • [13:39:39] <fedlap> it works by hand
  • [13:39:49] <panto> I didn't say that
  • [13:39:56] <fedlap> i mean av500 :)
  • [13:40:04] <panto> ah :)
  • [13:40:24] <panto> evoke and with an absolute path
  • [13:40:28] <panto> *ant
  • [13:40:41] <fedlap> k
  • [13:40:52] <KotH> hey greek guy!
  • [13:40:53] <mranostay> av500: please call an emergency friday
  • [13:40:58] <panto> hi KotH
  • [13:41:01] <KotH> hey drunk guy!
  • [13:41:16] <panto> s/drunk/hangover/g
  • [13:41:22] <mranostay> KotH: it is 6:30a even i'm not that skilled
  • [13:41:39] <KotH> mranostay: you have still a lot to learn ;)
  • [13:41:57] <mranostay> sleep schedule still screwred up from staying up to 5a on Saturday
  • [13:42:37] <av500> mranostay: is that for the Webex meeting with Shenzhen?
  • [13:42:41] <av500> getting used to it?
  • [13:43:02] <mranostay> av500: heh no
  • [13:45:04] <mranostay> av500: getting used to getting older?
  • [13:45:34] <fedlap> panto, i evoked ant with an absolute path now, but it's still not working :(
  • [13:45:55] <av500> when you call the script, does it work?
  • [13:45:59] <av500> from the command line
  • [13:46:01] <fedlap> y
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  • [13:46:14] <av500> and you login as root?
  • [13:46:21] <fedlap> y
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  • [13:49:10] <fedlap> av500, after i added the absolute path into the script, it seems not to be working anymore :/
  • [13:49:18] <Relampago> hi
  • [13:49:43] <Relampago> one question, from what i read, beagleboard black does not hw accelerated videa enc/dec. Is that right?
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  • [13:50:52] <fedlap> av500, i call ant with: /home/root/fladan_logger_linux_large/ant run > log
  • [13:51:30] <fedlap> and get an error saying /home/root/fladan....large/ant: is a directory
  • [13:51:50] <panto> are you sure ant is not an alias or something?
  • [13:52:05] <jackmitchell> what does ls -la /path/to/ant say?
  • [13:53:02] <fedlap> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10175 Mar 6 03:46 ant
  • [13:53:52] <fedlap> ant is in /home/root/apache-ant-1.9.0/bin
  • [13:54:15] <fedlap> and i've made an entry ANT_HOME=/home/root/apache-ant-1.9.0 ??? PATH=${PATH}:${ANT_HOME}/bin:${JAVA_HOME}/bin
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  • [13:55:26] <felipebalbi> mdp: ping
  • [13:55:42] <felipebalbi> mdp: do you happen to remember TI's QSPI NOR's highest throughput ?
  • [13:55:59] <sirspazzolot> is there a nice realtime firmware for a beaglebone black so it could be used to control a quadcopter
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  • [13:56:39] <jackmitchell> sirspazzolot: I believe TI StaterWare is realtime, but I'm afraid we can't really help you with it here
  • [13:57:15] <felipebalbi> mdp: oh yeah, both read and write :-p
  • [13:57:16] <sirspazzolot> cool, I'll look into that later. thanks!
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  • [14:14:53] <av500> Relampago: right
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  • [14:55:37] <XorA> koen: that bone you gave me ages ago has been invaluable the last few days :-D
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  • [15:10:06] <Crofton|work> for a moment I think XorA meant a real bone ....
  • [15:10:45] <XorA> Crofton|work: useful for chewing on in frustration
  • [15:10:58] <Crofton|work> dog toys are good for that
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  • [15:15:18] <XorA> Crofton|work: I might have to get one working with linux ;-)
  • [15:16:49] <av500> nah
  • [15:16:57] <av500> just bitbang it in MLO
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  • [15:18:32] <pulsar_> anyone willing to answer a few questions to a complete noob
  • [15:18:53] <jackmitchell> pulsar_: ask and find out
  • [15:19:05] <mranostay> trolololololololololol
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  • [15:19:09] <jackmitchell> pulsar_: but first ensure you have read the FAQ and searched google
  • [15:19:38] <av500> or read google and searched the FAQ
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  • [15:20:34] <mranostay> av500: my favorite german troll!
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  • [15:22:40] <pulsar_> been looking at the raspberry pi and the beagle board black to set up a htpc. i like the faster processor and emeded memory of the beagle board, but will it be more trouble for me to get it set up as an htpc? never worked with this kind of thing and thought an htpc would be a good start to learning
  • [15:24:01] * joel_ (~joel@192.94.92.11) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  • [15:24:19] <KotH> what is a htpc?
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  • [15:25:21] <pulsar_> home theater pc
  • [15:25:25] <KotH> ah..
  • [15:25:29] <KotH> use rpi
  • [15:25:37] <KotH> the bbb is not meant for that application
  • [15:26:02] <KotH> and it's actually the only application the rpi is "designed" for
  • [15:26:17] <mranostay> KotH: heresy!
  • [15:26:29] <pulsar_> yeah, i didnt think so. seems it would take some workaround to get the hdmi to output audio
  • [15:26:40] <KotH> mranostay: to make me wage JIHAD against you, you infidel!
  • [15:27:11] <mranostay> as panto said less jihad more...
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  • [15:27:38] <panto> pulsar_, what workaround?
  • [15:27:49] <panto> AFAIKT the framer supports audio up to 7.1
  • [15:28:02] <panto> but it's tricky to negotiate it
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  • [15:28:14] <pulsar_> i dont know what the workaround would be, but the beagleboard does not do audio over hdmi from what i have found
  • [15:28:56] <KotH> pulsar_: listen to panto, he knows his shit
  • [15:29:11] <panto> pulsar_, the framer on it does
  • [15:29:30] <panto> having it to negotiate without the display is the hard bit (software wise)
  • [15:29:54] <panto> all those use-cases (audio without video) are not handled very well by the linux stack (for pretty obvious reasons)
  • [15:30:15] <panto> so the answer is yes, but not yet
  • [15:30:28] <mranostay> KotH: even if he is greek, right? :)
  • [15:32:40] <av500> pulsar_: no need to worry about audio when you have no video to display
  • [15:32:44] <av500> the BBB does not do HD
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  • [15:32:56] <av500> but if you want to build a 90's HTPC, go ahead
  • [15:33:04] <pulsar_> it does 720p doesnt it?
  • [15:33:07] <av500> nope
  • [15:33:17] <av500> it does *some* 720p
  • [15:33:44] <av500> it lacks the HW decode the rpi has
  • [15:33:51] <av500> decoder*
  • [15:33:57] <pulsar_> that stinks
  • [15:33:59] <panto> btw, HDMI for audio is pretty sweet
  • [15:34:00] <av500> no
  • [15:34:05] <av500> it does not stink
  • [15:34:11] <panto> if you have a receiver
  • [15:34:11] <av500> it's not made for that
  • [15:34:34] <pulsar_> ok, so for what im planning i really am better off using a rpi
  • [15:34:41] <Thihi> Or a cubieboard.
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  • [15:34:59] <pulsar_> i had found that too, but havent heard anything about it before today
  • [15:35:27] <mastiff> am I understanding correctly that the main issue is that currently if you want audio, but not video, we can't repurpose the HDMI video pins while using the HDMI audio?
  • [15:35:41] <ka6sox-away> pulsar_, do you have a repo of your work on the 7.1 that people can look at to help debug this?
  • [15:35:42] <Thihi> pulsar_, they also have a channel on freenode
  • [15:36:11] <dgilmore> win 31
  • [15:36:39] <pulsar_> i dont have any work. never used anything like this yet, but i have been laid up from work and been looking for a project to play with
  • [15:37:21] <av500> win 3.11
  • [15:37:50] <av500> pulsar_: so in short, dont get the board to watch video, get it to learn linux instead
  • [15:37:54] <av500> :)
  • [15:38:00] <KotH> mranostay: ofc... even if he is greek :)
  • [15:38:02] <ka6sox-away> av500, +1
  • [15:38:12] <pulsar_> yeah, i played with windows 3.11 like 20 some years ago.
  • [15:38:38] <mranostay> whoa
  • [15:39:03] <KotH> o_0
  • [15:39:15] <KotH> pulsar_: that's been longer than mranostay is old!
  • [15:39:47] <mranostay> KotH: bite me
  • [15:39:52] * panto 's first job after uni was a win 3.11 driver for controlling some weird ISA hardware
  • [15:39:53] <pulsar_> the htpc was just to get to know these boards a little. like i said, been laid up from work on an injury and looking for a project to play with
  • [15:40:00] <panto> got away pretty fast
  • [15:40:04] <KotH> panto: mranostay wants to be bitten! please do him the favor!
  • [15:40:17] * panto uses KotH's teeth to bite mranostay
  • [15:40:48] <KotH> pulsar_: and you have not done anything with computers for the past 20 years?
  • [15:41:15] * KotH goes into the backroom to brush desinfect his teeth
  • [15:41:34] <KotH> panto: that was mean! you should know that mranostay is not halal
  • [15:41:48] <pulsar_> yeah, built a few, played around with different OS, done some programming and web design
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  • [15:44:01] <av500> pulsar_: as said, you can do a lot of things with the board
  • [15:44:04] <av500> just not HTPC
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  • [15:46:01] <mranostay> av500: bitcoin mine?
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  • [15:46:14] <pulsar_> ok, so probably get a rpi for now and play with that for a while i guess
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  • [15:48:34] <das> mranostay: you'd need an ASIC for that today
  • [15:50:14] <av500> just the PRU
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  • [15:50:30] <av500> mine PRUcoins
  • [15:50:41] <mranostay> av500: yeah sure
  • [15:51:08] <ka6sox-away> Scarcity Voodoo Economics
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  • [16:10:52] <mastiff> no limit to potential crypto currency competitors regardless of limits to a given brand
  • [16:11:22] <mastiff> so the scarcity is bogus
  • [16:12:39] <mranostay> maybe KotH can back the currency in chocolate
  • [16:12:49] <av500> chocolate mining
  • [16:12:58] <av500> in the choc mines of switzlerland
  • [16:13:24] <mranostay> wait that isn't how we get chocolate?
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  • [16:20:01] <ka6sox> not 1 cryptocurrency to rule them all?
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  • [16:32:12] <tomk_> I've enabled uart1 on my BBB using a device tree succesfully, but the pinmux is being weird. I specify a pinmux of 0x184 0x00, but it gets loaded as 0x184 0x20.
  • [16:32:41] <tomk_> My other pinmux is supposed to be at 0x20, and it gets set right, but for some reason they're bot getting set to the same value
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  • [16:34:06] <mranostay> tomk_: Rx Needs to have a pullup
  • [16:37:06] <mranostay> 0x2x is the pullup flag iirc
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  • [16:38:50] <tomk_> mronstay: 0x184 should be the tx. I have 0x180 0x20 and 0x184 0x00
  • [16:39:17] <tomk_> mronstay: just trying to figure out why the device tree is getting set differently than what I specify
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  • [16:39:25] <mecatronic> hi
  • [16:39:47] <ka6sox> tomk_, do you have the dts file where we can look at it?
  • [16:39:57] <mecatronic> i need know if BBB work with labView?
  • [16:39:58] <ka6sox> or even a pastebin of it?
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  • [16:41:09] <tomk_> ka6sox:http://pastebin.com/whDHg6zW
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  • [16:43:10] <mecatronic> Hi, one question
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  • [16:43:43] <mecatronic> someone know if bb work with labview
  • [16:45:07] <mecatronic> I need help
  • [16:45:51] <panto> no idea, why don't you ask NI?
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  • [16:53:01] <ka6sox> tomk_, thats the stock one...
  • [16:53:11] <ka6sox> (the "example" one
  • [16:53:12] <ka6sox> )
  • [16:53:29] <tomk_> ka6sox: I modified it, I used the stock one as a base
  • [16:53:46] <mecatronic> As I can work with ports i/o, you have tutorial?
  • [16:54:12] <tomk_> ka6sox: I took out the exclusive-use, and I modified the 0x184 0x20 to 0x184 0x00
  • [16:54:24] <ka6sox> tomk_, check your pinmuxing @ pinmux.tking.org
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  • [16:54:54] <ka6sox> and why did you remove the exclusive use?
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  • [16:55:21] <tomk_> ka6sox: It was keeping it from doing any pinmux at all. I had originally started with the tutorial at http://blog.pignology.net/2013/05/getting-uart2-devttyo1-working-on.html
  • [16:55:26] <tholm> Konichiwa, anybody knows what is the difference between "-mpu=neon -mfloat-abi=hard" and "-mpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp" ?
  • [16:55:49] <tholm> I'm a bit confused
  • [16:55:51] <tomk_> I was trying to get it to work with overlays only, so that I didn't have to replace am335x.dtbo
  • [16:56:22] <tomk_> I meant am335x-boneblack.dtb
  • [16:57:07] <tomk_> I'm trying to do it all with overlays. So its sort of a mix of the two. I'm still trying to get a handle on the BBB and device trees. My experience before was with omap 3340 and 2.6 kernel
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  • [16:58:39] <mecatronic> someone have tutorial BBB, drive I/O samples?
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  • [17:06:30] <tomk_> ka6sox: With the page you sent, the pinmux looks like what I thought. Its the transmit pin, and I'm trying to pull it down and set it output (0x00), but something is enabling the input on it (0x20)
  • [17:13:13] <mecatronic> remember I/O send pulse 3.3v and 6mA , if you want to turn led get 500 Ohms in serie
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  • [17:16:31] <bradfa> moaning, channel
  • [17:16:33] <KotH> mranostay: i wont back any weird cryptocurrency with hard chocolate
  • [17:16:40] <KotH> mranostay: i rather eat it myself
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  • [17:37:40] <ka6sox> moaning bradfa
  • [17:37:54] <bradfa> howdy ka6sox
  • [17:38:05] <mranostay> happy fuzzy morning to bradfa
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  • [17:38:15] * bradfa loaths chinese manufacturing today
  • [17:38:34] <ds2> what did they do?
  • [17:38:41] <bradfa> apparently nothing, which is the problem
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  • [17:39:09] <ds2> how many of it are you expecting them to make?
  • [17:39:19] <panto> hey bradfa
  • [17:39:26] <bradfa> 2000 units need to be completed by tomorrow night EDT
  • [17:39:35] <bradfa> 0 done so far, been "building" since mid-last week
  • [17:39:40] <bradfa> hi panto
  • [17:39:42] <ka6sox> oy
  • [17:39:49] * bradfa gets to come in china time tonight
  • [17:40:03] <bradfa> but ok, enough moaning for me on the Interwebz
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  • [17:40:40] <ds2> why are you building only 2000 units in china?
  • [17:40:46] <bradfa> ask the mba's
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  • [17:41:02] <ds2> there should folks in the US that can match the price for just 2000 units
  • [17:41:07] <bradfa> ds2, oh, there are
  • [17:41:13] <ds2> okay
  • [17:41:22] <Guest91848> Does anyone know how to install Eclipse Indigo C/C+ SDK on a Windows system?
  • [17:41:24] <bradfa> MBAs think China is cheaper for everything
  • [17:41:42] <bradfa> MBAs forget cost of sending engineers over there, shipping times / costs, and delays
  • [17:41:48] <bradfa> see magic possible cost per unit
  • [17:41:58] <ds2> blah
  • [17:42:04] <bradfa> Guest91848, I think you are in the wrong channel with that kind of question
  • [17:42:10] <ds2> you guys send engineers over for merely 2000 units?
  • [17:42:11] * maxinux points to http://avanticircuits.com of arizona
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  • [17:42:47] <bradfa> ds2, it's a long story
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  • [17:42:57] <bradfa> ds2, it involves unqualified labor doing soldering
  • [17:43:10] <bradfa> all in the quest for low cost when low cost sholdn't be the goal yet
  • [17:43:26] <bradfa> maxinux, thanks for the link, I'll take a look
  • [17:43:34] <ka6sox> bradfa, also Chinese units are not meant for repairs
  • [17:43:46] <ka6sox> so if its broke, you send a new one.
  • [17:43:48] <bradfa> ka6sox, yes, as we've learned :)
  • [17:44:21] <ds2> ah
  • [17:45:11] <bradfa> when I was at Xerox we always used TT electroniics in Ohio
  • [17:45:20] <bradfa> they weren't cheap on a per unit basis, but they were pretty good
  • [17:45:34] <bradfa> and we could always drive over (only 4 hours) if things went bad
  • [17:53:32] <ka6sox> try flying 22hrs to get to Shenzing
  • [17:54:04] <bradfa> ka6sox, we have an engineer over in china right now, he enjoys being there but not the travel
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  • [17:54:51] <mranostay> ka6sox: also try bag checking a clue-bat
  • [17:55:09] <bradfa> mranostay, within china, apparently the airlines aren't quite so strict
  • [17:55:13] <bradfa> so clue bats are allowed
  • [17:55:23] <bradfa> but tickets do often come with "insurance"
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  • [18:10:18] <tcort> just wanted to confirm this: is there no I2C EEPROM on-board the BeagleBoard-xM like there is with the BBB?
  • [18:13:01] <ds2> the beagleBOARDs do not have onboard eeprom
  • [18:13:08] <ds2> the beagleBONEs do
  • [18:14:01] <tcort> ds2: great! thanks for the info :)
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  • [19:05:49] <_av500_> ahoi
  • [19:06:16] <m_billybob> avst
  • [19:06:37] <m_billybob> hows bb land today ?
  • [19:07:24] <m_billybob> that good eh ?
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  • [19:34:20] <mranosta1> m_billybob: you kill the vibe
  • [19:34:30] <m_billybob> i guess so
  • [19:34:32] <m_billybob> "
  • [19:34:43] <m_billybob> "avast" was probably the wrong counter responce.
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  • [19:39:55] <_av500_> HODOR!
  • [19:39:59] <_av500_> oops, wrong channel
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  • [19:40:34] <_av500_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promini-Pro-Mini-atmega328-5V-16MHz-Arduino-Compatible-nano-size-PROCESSOR-PO-/281119065433
  • [19:40:46] <_av500_> gonna make a beawulf cluster out of these
  • [19:40:56] <m_billybob> why.
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  • [19:41:06] <m_billybob> beowulf btw :P
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  • [19:44:37] <m_billybob> av500 so you can be like that guy on HAD and draw stuff on a monitor incredibly slow ?
  • [19:44:38] <m_billybob> lol
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  • [20:05:48] <_Sy_> hello
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  • [20:07:42] <vaizki_> ok so I finally have time to look at my BBB boards (beagle noob here).. can I network boot them and reflash the emmc or do I need to dig out a micro sd card from some drawer? :O
  • [20:08:04] <Spirilis> microSD.
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  • [20:08:28] <vaizki_> yea problem is I'm not sure if my drawers will produce a micro sd (pun intended)
  • [20:08:46] <_Sy_> You can't boot them automatically from SD card without holding down the boot button.
  • [20:09:02] <vaizki_> what..
  • [20:09:08] <tasslehoff> Is node.js still a relevant buzzword on beaglebone? I run a node.js web application on my beagleboard and noticed today that it uses an awful lot of cpu.
  • [20:09:11] <_Sy_> I have mine booting from eMMC and use micro USB memory sticks as additional storage
  • [20:09:41] <_Sy_> JS is interpreted, so I would expect it to use a lot of CPU.
  • [20:09:42] <vaizki_> sy, I'm asking if I can flash a new os image on the emmc without a uSD
  • [20:10:03] <panto> yes you can
  • [20:10:09] <panto> you'll have to rootnfs
  • [20:10:24] <vaizki_> ummm node.js runs on Google's V8 which JITs JS into native code
  • [20:10:28] <panto> and you'll have to be extra careful not to screw up
  • [20:10:41] <panto> vaizki_, just like java!
  • [20:10:47] <panto> which we all know is a speed demon
  • [20:10:49] <bradfa> _av500_, you should make bitcoin miner out of it
  • [20:11:09] <vaizki_> panto, well if I screw up then I will need that uSD card.. that's the worst that could happen right?
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  • [20:11:40] <panto> yes
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  • [20:12:00] <vaizki_> I assume you're referring to me ending up with an eMMC without working uboot
  • [20:12:03] <panto> even if the emmc is screwed up you can recover (albeit it's very very painful)
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  • [20:12:24] <panto> rom supports serial, usb + net boot (iirc)
  • [20:12:26] <tasslehoff> yeah. I guess I shouldn't expect blazing speed..
  • [20:12:51] <_Sy_> I haven't had any problems with eMMC and updates since the first hickups when I received them, have updated and upgraded almost daily and everything has been fine.
  • [20:13:11] <vaizki_> sy forked the conversation
  • [20:13:35] <Rickta59> i thought v8 did jit for arm?
  • [20:14:06] <vaizki_> I'm fine with ??ngstr??m but the amount of shit in this default demo image makes my brain bleed
  • [20:14:38] <Spirilis> they have doctors for that
  • [20:15:12] <vaizki_> there's like 100M free memory left after boot..
  • [20:15:26] <Spirilis> yeah I make sure gdm isn't running at all
  • [20:16:02] <panto> vaizki_, would it be better if we shipped with an empty distro?
  • [20:16:19] <panto> it's easy to make a very small angstrom image
  • [20:17:23] <vaizki_> panto, no no it's fine. it's great to have a working environment out of the box.
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  • [20:18:48] <vaizki_> PERSONALLY though I would like to have a minimal network enabled distro that people could then "upgrade" to a graphical desktop etc with a single command or something
  • [20:19:08] <georgem> stop bragging about all of your free memory. I still have to support a distro running on IXP 425 w/ 64 MiB total.
  • [20:19:13] <_Sy_> very happy with my set-up now...everything is going pretty good...got two BBB's up and configured as a cluster
  • [20:19:13] <vaizki_> but I am probably in the minority so I don't expect that to happen
  • [20:19:42] <vaizki_> I'm mainly pissed at myself for not having uSD cards
  • [20:20:18] <_Sy_> I got some really nice 32GB micro USB cards, they work great and were only 16 GBP each.
  • [20:21:13] <georgem> _Sy_: and if you ever need to make it disappear really quickly you always have the option of swallowing it.
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  • [20:21:29] <vaizki_> hmmm can I boot off USB and flash a new distro that way?
  • [20:21:29] <_Sy_> :)
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  • [20:22:01] <_Sy_> I don't think so atm
  • [20:22:16] <_Sy_> not without holding down the boot button.
  • [20:22:32] <vaizki_> do you read what I type? :D
  • [20:22:43] <vaizki_> I just want to boot it off USB once so I can flash the eMMC
  • [20:23:27] <vaizki_> and I'm pretty sure that it will boot off USB every time if I just wipe the eMMC clean
  • [20:23:38] <vaizki_> assuming it boots off USB at all
  • [20:24:54] <_Sy_> You can flash the eMMC from the micro SD card as you want, by holding down the boot button, but once you've done this, even if the eMMC is wiped it will not boot from microSD or USB unless you hold down the button.
  • [20:25:15] <Spirilis> his problem is he doesn't have any uSD cards laying around
  • [20:25:20] <_Sy_> Its a problem with th ekernal atm
  • [20:25:50] <_Sy_> panto, already said you can do it without USB or SD card.
  • [20:26:25] <vaizki_> yea but nfsroot is a pita compared to usb thumbdrive boot
  • [20:27:53] <Rickta59> you have a thumbdrive?
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  • [20:29:38] <Rickta59> nm .. i was thinking something that would probably not end well
  • [20:30:38] <georgem> story of my life
  • [20:33:26] <_Sy_> has anyone had any experience of comparing php performance against node.js doing similar activities?
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  • [20:34:04] <georgem> _Sy_: no, but I don't see why node.js wouldn't blow it out of the water
  • [20:35:01] <georgem> Could start with: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=v8&lang2=php&data=u32
  • [20:35:16] <_Sy_> I am very interested to know the result of this, I will try it out....from what I've read tho, php running on Apache is multi-threaded, where as Node.JS isn't
  • [20:36:00] <vaizki_> ..
  • [20:36:02] <georgem> _Sy_: I hadn't heard that. If thats true that would suck.
  • [20:36:11] <vaizki_> node.js is event driven
  • [20:36:42] <vaizki_> if you say node.js sucks because it's not MT then you don't understand node.js enought to evaluate it
  • [20:37:20] * mranostay pokes in
  • [20:37:42] <georgem> I node.js sucks because it uses javascript, thats enough for me :)
  • [20:37:43] * mranostay cues the require viewing
  • [20:37:51] <georgem> I know*
  • [20:38:00] <pru_evtout_2> did that omap_mux patch for 3.8 ever make its way in?
  • [20:38:14] <_Sy_> I don't know much about node.js at all, I know plenty about php and javascript.
  • [20:38:44] <mranostay> georgem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg <--- slightly NSFW language
  • [20:39:24] <georgem> mranostay: not sure what they're saying but I've already probably shouted it several times today
  • [20:40:03] <_Sy_> If node.js is so great why aren't large server providers offering it as an option instead of Apache and PHP ?
  • [20:40:48] <agmlego> Probably because no one has asked them to.
  • [20:41:38] <pru_evtout_2> _Sy_: and, you can with amazon ec2 (the largest) or any other virtual machine based hosting. :P
  • [20:41:42] <_Sy_> Or is it because its realtively new?
  • [20:42:05] <georgem> roflmao
  • [20:42:05] <vaizki_> node.js requires a completely different mindset from php
  • [20:42:22] <mranostay> insanity? :)
  • [20:42:25] <georgem> mranostay: this is great
  • [20:42:27] <vaizki_> php is a horrible hack
  • [20:42:30] <pru_evtout_2> _Sy_: and, doing a quick google search, i get pages and pages of hosts that offer node.js.
  • [20:42:31] <vaizki_> but it works
  • [20:42:40] <_Sy_> I don't think so, node.js is just javascript on the server, lots of similarities between javascript and php object models.
  • [20:43:00] <vaizki_> the entire programming model of node.js is completely different from PHP
  • [20:43:13] <vaizki_> mainly in that node.js is event driven
  • [20:43:32] <vaizki_> if you program node.js like you program PHP, you will end up with horrible performance
  • [20:43:43] <_Sy_> in what way? the events come from the browser, so how do you get events on the server?
  • [20:44:10] <vaizki_> I am definitely not going to do a tutorial on event-based programming
  • [20:44:20] <_Sy_> everything in javascript is an object, which is nice, I like that...
  • [20:44:40] <vaizki_> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/node-js-for-beginners/
  • [20:44:46] <vaizki_> try that for example
  • [20:45:28] <_Sy_> I've written lots of javascript AJAX libraries myself...
  • [20:46:22] <vaizki_> again, nothing to do with node.js
  • [20:46:42] <vaizki_> if you don't know how asynchronous event driven programming works you shouldn't go near node.js
  • [20:47:12] <mranostay> jkridner_: want in on this? :)
  • [20:47:18] <vaizki_> node.js is painful if you ask me
  • [20:47:30] <vaizki_> but at least I know why it's painful ;)
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  • [20:48:49] <Rickta59> depends on how much js you have done
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  • [20:50:57] <_Sy_> I'll do more investigation into node.js see if 1&1 offer it on there servers...we have a couple of dedicated servers with 1&1.
  • [20:51:15] <Rickta59> what is your app _Sy_ ?
  • [20:51:30] <_Sy_> At work?
  • [20:51:36] <Rickta59> node.js is already installed on the BBB
  • [20:51:47] <Rickta59> the app you think would be good for node.js
  • [20:51:55] <_Sy_> I work for a company that designs water leak and mains burst detection systems.
  • [20:52:04] <_Sy_> nothing to do with what I'm doing on BBB.
  • [20:52:14] <Rickta59> i just meant if you want to try out node.js
  • [20:52:24] <Rickta59> you don't have to go any further than an angstrom build
  • [20:52:53] <_Sy_> At work I have a dedicated server hosted by 1&1 that runs the interface for our remote units, it is coded mainly in PHP with quite a lot of client side Javascript, showing devices on a google map.
  • [20:52:53] <Rickta59> what do you do with the web pages on your leaky water mains?
  • [20:53:27] <Rickta59> is it chatty?
  • [20:53:44] <_Sy_> The Google map allows clients to monitor units remotely and zoon into the data, producing realtime graphs and historic plots.
  • [20:54:02] <Rickta59> are you using json already as the format encoding?
  • [20:54:07] <_Sy_> yes
  • [20:54:18] <Rickta59> rest or persistent?
  • [20:54:18] <_Sy_> The AJAX uses JSON responses.
  • [20:55:20] <_Sy_> The backbone of the communications uses a messaging system called MQTT, its ok, but not great for Web-based applications, I am currently implementing a HA mysql server set-up to replace the existing setup.
  • [20:56:31] <Rickta59> with the goal being to run that on the BB?
  • [20:56:40] <Rickta59> or are you just using those as sensor nodes
  • [20:56:40] <vaizki_> you are replacing MQTT with mysql?
  • [20:57:08] <_Sy_> no...my interest in BBB has nothing to do with my day job. the burst detection units are PC104 x86 based systems.
  • [20:57:53] <_Sy_> The remote units publish data using MQTT to a broker, the web-server has to poll the broker for updates..which isn't very good.
  • [20:58:16] <kfoltman> _Sy_: I'd say it's a common/typical design?
  • [20:58:18] <_Sy_> So, yes, I'm replacing MQTT with a dual mysql servers
  • [20:58:28] <_Sy_> yep
  • [20:58:54] <kfoltman> I mean, queue to a broker, and broker accepting requests from web server
  • [20:59:16] <Rickta59> so do your users have a web interface running all day
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  • [20:59:22] <_Sy_> The difference / advantage of our system over the competition is that other systems only tell you once the water main has burst, where as our system will give you advance warning of even the smallest leaks before the main bursts.
  • [20:59:31] <Rickta59> or do they only access it when they want to reference a leak?
  • [20:59:44] <_Sy_> yes, portal is available 24-7.
  • [20:59:49] <kfoltman> _Sy_: is there any need for the state of the system being persistent?
  • [21:00:00] <Rickta59> is that their main way of the seeing the status i mean
  • [21:00:12] <Rickta59> so the web pages are constantly polling
  • [21:00:30] <_Sy_> Yes, one of the issues with MQTT is that not everything is persistent and often data isn't logged, so if you missed it thats that.
  • [21:01:14] <_Sy_> The client page periodically sends a request to the server, which subscribes to the broker, asking for anything new.
  • [21:01:35] <Rickta59> so in that case node.js might be useful in combination with reducing server load
  • [21:01:49] <Rickta59> you could have the server notify the client when something is amis
  • [21:01:54] <_Sy_> thats what I'd like to find out.
  • [21:02:11] <_Sy_> which would be very good and reduce traffic.
  • [21:02:21] <Rickta59> how many clients do you have
  • [21:02:28] <Rickta59> web clients on a typical setup
  • [21:02:40] <_Sy_> do you mean human clients or remote devices?
  • [21:02:52] <Rickta59> web pages wacking your web server
  • [21:03:22] <_Sy_> Difficult to say on the human clients, although I wouldn't expect there to be very many at any one time...we currently has approx. 80+ devices in the field.
  • [21:03:44] <Rickta59> how many hits per hour from web polling?
  • [21:04:10] <_Sy_> Difficult to say at the moment, not very many right now.
  • [21:04:12] <Rickta59> are leaks a rare event?
  • [21:04:22] <Rickta59> or does it happen multiple times / sec
  • [21:04:50] <_Sy_> Not really, but unlike oil and gas, nobody cares to much about water leaks, until it turns into a burst, thats when it costs serious money.
  • [21:05:08] <Rickta59> so once a day is probably fine?
  • [21:05:21] <_Sy_> Yep.
  • [21:05:34] <Rickta59> your web pages? they are templated or composed on the client?
  • [21:05:51] <Rickta59> templated as in php on server filled in
  • [21:05:51] <_Sy_> I have a couple of paired development servers in the office I can set-up a demo running node.js to evailuate.
  • [21:05:54] * SpeedEvil lols.
  • [21:06:12] <_Sy_> The web-pages are all custom php and js.
  • [21:06:19] * SpeedEvil imagines a world where water leaks generate a response in under a week.
  • [21:06:46] <Rickta59> does the javascript rewrite the page or only deal with page click events
  • [21:07:05] <_Sy_> Its funny, for 20 years I worked in the oil and gas industry, if there was even a hint of a leak, they would shutin and stop production.
  • [21:07:23] <_Sy_> then mark the time down as a financial loss....not so in the water world.
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  • [21:08:01] <_Sy_> The java script handles the dynamic requests to the server and updates the google maps....I also have a real time plot written in Javascript
  • [21:08:23] <Rickta59> doesn't sound like node.js would do much for you
  • [21:08:31] <_Sy_> We will be converting more and more to JS and HTML5, as the CEO is ipad mad and none of the existing Java applets will work on ipads.
  • [21:09:53] <_Sy_> Better get my beauty sleep...early start tomororow, nite nite
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  • [22:00:06] <georgem_home> Guess there's nothing interesting going on in beagle land... Maybe I should go check out #raspberrypi and see if any new Bad Ass Rock Star Tech sort of stuff is going on.
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  • [22:02:04] <SpeedEvil> ##arduino is where the cool people hang out.
  • [22:02:54] <_av500_> +1
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  • [22:05:27] <georgem_home> heh
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  • [22:06:08] <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: I use my raspberrypi for that. it can detect card insertion...
  • [22:06:41] <pru_evtout_2> haha,h nice. do you have it start writing the image from some dir right away?
  • [22:07:22] <panto> pru+protothreads is cool
  • [22:07:40] <panto> 1us pulse train with no jitter whatsoever
  • [22:07:50] <panto> can get to a few 100ns probably
  • [22:08:56] <georgem_home> actually booted rpi w/ root=/dev/whateverthefuckusbdrivewas and didn't have any problems despite its screwy usb controller. makes a pretty good sd card writer if you dont have one
  • [22:10:30] <georgem_home> panto: I think I can do that in an 8051 too
  • [22:10:45] <georgem_home> well... not 100ns probably
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  • [22:11:48] <panto> georgem_home, can you do it like this? http://pastebin.com/aWKEELQU
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  • [22:13:15] <georgem_home> ooh. interesting.
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  • [22:14:49] <panto> bah, not clear enough signal for my scope
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  • [22:16:47] <georgem_home> panto: Didn't know there was a C compiler for the PRU. nice
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  • [22:18:41] <panto> it's not ready for prime time yet
  • [22:18:43] <panto> but seems to work
  • [22:18:58] <Rickta59> is that on github someplace?
  • [22:19:05] <georgem_home> probably works better than most 8051 compilers. lol
  • [22:19:26] <panto> Rickta59, no, not yet
  • [22:19:38] <panto> it's a regular TI compiler
  • [22:19:52] <panto> and protothreads sure have overhead
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  • [22:20:15] <georgem_home> they need node.js threads are so 1990
  • [22:20:15] <panto> so, not the fastest PRU method, but it's pretty fast
  • [22:20:44] <georgem_home> j/k
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  • [22:22:58] <georgem_home> panto, maybe you could clue me in on this... why is the PRU non-ARM? I just cant get past that. Why didn't they put in a cortex m3 core or something
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  • [22:23:28] <panto> arm != realtime
  • [22:23:37] <panto> PRU is designed for cycle accurate stuff
  • [22:23:42] <Rickta59> aren't all the pru instructions 1 cycle
  • [22:23:42] <vaizki_> the PRU has a defined time for each instruction
  • [22:23:46] <vaizki_> yea
  • [22:23:47] <Rickta59> except for branching?
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  • [22:23:52] <panto> no, even branching
  • [22:24:17] <Rickta59> even better
  • [22:24:22] <georgem_home> ah, interesting
  • [22:26:55] <pru_evtout_2> i didn't realize the pru had a multiple-accumulate unit till last wee!
  • [22:26:57] <vaizki_> so I guess even a NOP is always 5ns
  • [22:26:57] <pru_evtout_2> that's pretty rad.
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  • [22:29:18] <panto> well, protothreads work, but there's a lot of instructions overhead
  • [22:29:48] <panto> perhaps a two stage approach with one PRU being the frontend for comm is best
  • [22:30:14] <georgem_home> I'd be more inclined to use the PRU if I had any sort of confidence it was being caried forward to future designs.
  • [22:30:52] <georgem_home> Without any evidence of that it just seems like a bit of a deadend
  • [22:32:11] <panto> the only replacement for it is a CPLD or an FPGA
  • [22:32:31] <pru_evtout_2> i hope it sticks around. it differentiates the beaglebone from the hundreds of other cheap embedded linux systems you can get.
  • [22:32:32] <panto> you can't do the same things with a simple CPU core
  • [22:32:37] <georgem_home> panto: that assumes you're using it to its full potential
  • [22:32:57] <panto> why use it then?
  • [22:33:38] <georgem_home> If you have a real-time task that doesn't require it's full potential obviously
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  • [22:36:23] <panto> well, my point is that you can get pretty awesome results using it
  • [22:36:32] <panto> and it's part of a cheap cheap board
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  • [22:37:11] <bursy> hi everybody??
  • [22:37:19] <pru_evtout_2> you know it's time to reboot your windows xp machine when ping locks up.
  • [22:39:23] <bursy> I just need some advice on beaglebone. I am just starting with this board and I don't realy understand how i should program it. Can you explain me or give me a link that explain it?
  • [22:39:39] <panto> it's a linux box
  • [22:39:43] <vaizki_> any recommendations on a 1 or 2-line display with BIG and BRIGHT characters?
  • [22:39:53] <panto> any method used to program unix will work
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  • [22:40:07] <panto> if you want to do h/w related stuff that might difer
  • [22:40:23] <bursy> h/w?
  • [22:40:29] * georgem_home facepalms
  • [22:40:32] <ds2> how big?
  • [22:40:33] <vaizki_> :D
  • [22:40:53] <ds2> 1mm is big for nano size... 1" is big for...
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  • [22:41:47] <panto> bursy, hardware
  • [22:41:52] <bursy> excuse me english is not my native language
  • [22:41:53] <panto> electronic design
  • [22:42:03] <vaizki_> ok not big as in digital signage. 2cm or so characters would be fine
  • [22:42:07] <panto> probably that the same for about 80% of the channel too :)
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  • [22:42:20] <Farooq> is emdebian for beagleboard has GUI based or command base?
  • [22:42:22] <ds2> how long of a line?
  • [22:42:33] <vaizki_> I speak english about as well as the natives in america did
  • [22:42:48] <vaizki_> ds2, 12 chars minimum, 16-20 still ok
  • [22:43:02] <ds2> some of the natives in america spoke better english then native english speakers of europe!
  • [22:43:13] <ds2> and how bright?
  • [22:43:17] <georgem_home> until they died of small pox
  • [22:43:54] <vaizki_> ds2, I can't give you a lux or nits or cd spec sorry :)
  • [22:44:09] <Farooq> can anyone tell, is emdebian for beagleboard has GUI based or command base?
  • [22:44:23] <ds2> then it is hard to determine "bright"
  • [22:44:43] <vaizki_> ds2, ok forget that part then
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  • [22:45:28] <pru_evtout_2> vaizki_: if you don't care about brightness, just get a little lcd screen :D
  • [22:45:40] <pru_evtout_2> you said forget about it...
  • [22:46:02] <bursy> In fact I to communicate with a receiver
  • [22:46:11] <ds2> vaizki_: 7 seg LED displays
  • [22:46:28] <panto> g'night
  • [22:46:34] <vaizki_> I would strongly prefer pixel based...
  • [22:46:35] <georgem_home> night
  • [22:46:42] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: what do you want to do with it?
  • [22:46:50] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: the beaglebone i mean, not the receiver.
  • [22:46:59] <georgem_home> Yum... Stiegl
  • [22:47:19] <ds2> that is not what you asked for
  • [22:47:54] <Farooq> any help dear?
  • [22:48:24] <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : i want my beaglebone to read the data from the receiver
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  • [22:50:44] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: and do what with it?
  • [22:51:29] <Farooq> no help?
  • [22:51:54] <georgem_home> Farooq: Try it yourself or maybe check youtube
  • [22:52:37] <Farooq> youtube is helpless in this case.
  • [22:54:04] <Farooq> beagleboard has angstrom OS, which one is best except this?
  • [22:54:41] <georgem_home> Farooq: you want GUI or command line?
  • [22:54:56] <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : it depends on what is received. The beaglebone will be in a RC plane and command from the ground with a computer via the receiver
  • [22:55:23] <georgem_home> cool... I want in
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  • [22:56:24] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: how does the receiver export its data?
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  • [22:56:58] <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : RS232 TTl
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  • [22:57:39] <georgem_home> Is it connected to one of the buildin uarts?
  • [22:57:45] <georgem_home> built*
  • [22:58:22] <pru_evtout_2> i think he's at the "wants to" stage right now.
  • [22:58:50] <georgem_home> oh... been there
  • [22:59:03] <bursy> yes exactly
  • [22:59:45] <georgem_home> I wanted to do this also until I realized it was rather expensive
  • [22:59:51] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: that's pretty simple. you could basically use any programming language you want. python, c, c++, pascal, bonescript most likely.
  • [23:00:05] <pru_evtout_2> georgem_home: i'm still blown away by how expensive something like a servo is.
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  • [23:01:44] <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: I got some cheap servos not sure if they'd work for this sort of thing. The other problems of course are weight and battery life neither of which are fun.
  • [23:01:51] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: the beaglebone is just a linux pc, so if you can already program in linux, you could do what you need to very easily.
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  • [23:03:25] <georgem_home> I was thinking that if I wanted to do a drone sort of thing that I was interface the auto piliot code into a flight simulator to prove out those bits first.
  • [23:03:42] <pru_evtout_2> chicken.
  • [23:03:44] <bursy> pru_evtout_2 : Ok so I'll do it in C. Is there a uart port on the beaglobone?
  • [23:03:47] <georgem_home> heh
  • [23:03:49] <pru_evtout_2> no adrenaline in that.
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  • [23:05:07] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: io is 3.3v, so you'll need a rs232 to usb adapter as a "ready made" or get something to interface it to the built in uarts.
  • [23:06:52] <georgem_home> those 3 axis accelerometers aren't cheap either...
  • [23:08:02] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: no need for ports really. it's a linux pc, so if you have the source, you can compile it for the beaglebone.
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  • [23:08:39] <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: he just means uart... not like a source port
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  • [23:09:12] <georgem_home> /dev/ttyO*
  • [23:09:15] <pru_evtout_2> georgem_home: what's a uart port then?
  • [23:09:17] <pru_evtout_2> ohhhh
  • [23:09:17] <pru_evtout_2> hahah
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  • [23:10:45] <bursy> pru_evtout_2: Ok I have a usb adapter. So if i understand well i have to make a program for example in C that reads data from the usb adapter and run it on this linux
  • [23:11:00] <mranostay> that sounds painful
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  • [23:11:27] <georgem_home> mranostay: where you been we've already started drinking?
  • [23:13:00] <georgem_home> I agree though. If you want your life to suck less you can test it out pretty easily in python first.
  • [23:13:50] <bursy> i don't know python
  • [23:15:41] <pru_evtout_2> what do you know?
  • [23:15:54] <georgem_home> python is really quite simple. If you know C its pretty difficult to look at python code and not understand what it does.
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  • [23:16:23] <mranostay> georgem_home: what did i say that makes you think i'm drinking?
  • [23:16:57] * pru_evtout_2 sees that mranostay is defensive. suspicion rises.
  • [23:17:10] <georgem_home> mranostay: your name is mranostay
  • [23:17:49] <mranostay> georgem_home: that is what is on my license.. and birth cert :)
  • [23:18:19] <bursy> I know C and C++
  • [23:18:28] <georgem_home> mranostay: right...
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  • [23:18:35] * georgem_home passes mranostay a beer
  • [23:18:44] <mranostay> can't at work
  • [23:18:48] <georgem_home> ah
  • [23:18:55] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: go for it then! :D there are *many* examples on the web.
  • [23:19:02] <georgem_home> right. intel land
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  • [23:20:13] <bursy> pru_evtout_2: so i have to make a program for example in C that reads data from the usb and run it on this linux
  • [23:20:40] * mranostay goes for coffee number 6 of the day
  • [23:21:24] <pru_evtout_2> bursy: usb wont really have much to do with it. you'll just open the serial port device and use the normal linux serial port access routines.
  • [23:22:10] <georgem_home> I love hearing stories from old ass engineers at work. Once upon a time some businesses actually had kegerators and used them on a weekly (Friday) basis. Glad to see society is decaying.
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  • [23:22:39] <mranostay> georgem_home: yeah we have company events with limited drinking.. never on campus
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  • [23:24:08] <georgem_home> mranostay: I started working as a software engineer when I was 16 and I'd be lying if I said there weren't some beer driven 3am coding marathons
  • [23:24:49] <SpeedEvil> xkcd://Ballmer_Peak
  • [23:24:59] <mranostay> yeah that is a lie :P
  • [23:25:09] <mranostay> alcohol does help the ADD :P
  • [23:25:19] <pru_evtout_2> georgem_home: sometimes with startups, still. :D
  • [23:25:43] <pru_evtout_2> every once and a while, i see a "random alcohol thursday" meeting.
  • [23:25:47] * georgem_home has the bad add
  • [23:26:14] <bursy> pru_evtout_2: understood. Thank you very much. this will help me a lot for my internship project
  • [23:27:09] * pru_evtout_2 did his good deed for the day. #$%$ all you everyone else.
  • [23:27:30] <bursy> *
  • [23:28:02] <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: sorry man, I'll try harder next time
  • [23:28:41] <pru_evtout_2> no way, now that i'm done with good deeds, i can go back to being an ass. :D
  • [23:28:52] <georgem_home> heh, right on
  • [23:29:22] <bursy> I am also a noob with IRC , how do you do all your stuff that begin with *?
  • [23:29:35] * mranostay has no clue
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  • [23:29:44] * pru_evtout_2 doesn't know what bursy is talking about.
  • [23:29:48] <myself> /me yawns
  • [23:29:50] * myself yawns
  • [23:29:52] * georgem_home either
  • [23:29:53] <myself> like that
  • [23:30:08] <bursy> ok thanks
  • [23:30:11] <pru_evtout_2> bursy, you have to register with nickserv. then, do "<your password here> what you want to say here"
  • [23:30:19] <pru_evtout_2> and it'll show up like that.
  • [23:30:20] <myself> (if a noob confesses to being a noob, I go easy on 'em. It's the ones who claim to be pros, who get the abuse.)
  • [23:30:37] <myself> hunter2 looks sideways at pru_evtout_2
  • [23:30:52] <pru_evtout_2> >:-)
  • [23:31:09] * georgem_home slaps bursy around a bit with a large trout
  • [23:31:29] <Wgsoto> Someone could tell me how to enable DSP and make video streaming with Angstrom Linux? I need to transfer video from a pc to beagleboard.
  • [23:31:36] * pru_evtout_2 bows to georgem_home's obvious old schoolness.
  • [23:32:38] <bursy> thanks pru_evtout_2 and myself
  • [23:33:09] <bursy> I'm going back to work
  • [23:33:26] * pru_evtout_2 hopes bursy wasn't a terrorist.
  • [23:33:36] * georgem_home was wondering the same thing
  • [23:34:01] <bursy> no currently working for us compnay
  • [23:34:03] <georgem_home> I'm really surprised there have been no terrorist drones yet
  • [23:34:17] <georgem_home> any*
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  • [23:34:52] <pru_evtout_2> yeah
  • [23:34:52] <bursy> in california
  • [23:35:33] <georgem_home> thats where I was born and raised until my family renditioned me to kansas :)
  • [23:35:37] <thurgood> depends on whose definition of terror you use
  • [23:35:59] <pru_evtout_2> i have a feeling all funny hobbies involving anything remote will eventually have some knee jerk laws wrapped around them
  • [23:36:06] <pru_evtout_2> *funny = fun
  • [23:36:12] <thurgood> random civilian casualties seems like a terror campaign to me :P
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  • [23:36:33] <pru_evtout_2> i wouldn't be surprised if drones become flat out illegal for civilian use.
  • [23:36:54] <bursy> I don't really know USA greography , where is kansas?
  • [23:37:13] <pru_evtout_2> over-the-border drug running will probably start it, and some deadly attack will finish it.
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  • [23:38:34] <bursy> me too i wouldn't be surprised
  • [23:39:20] <georgem_home> good thing I'm an atheist, I have way too many good ideas that could ill-used
  • [23:39:27] <georgem_home> be*
  • [23:39:32] <pru_evtout_2> lol.
  • [23:39:33] <thurgood> meh.. g++ is acting really dumb right now
  • [23:42:17] <pru_evtout_2> thurgood: try rm -rf *; /bin/enableFix-g++
  • [23:42:30] <georgem_home> Somehow the fact that google sees everything I post to google+ concerns me more than that fact the NSA does...
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  • [23:43:53] <Rickta59> hmm .. maybe you shouldn't use google+
  • [23:43:57] <Rickta59> or facebook
  • [23:44:01] <pru_evtout_2> or anything.
  • [23:44:03] <georgem_home> exactly
  • [23:44:05] <Rickta59> and dump that myspace account
  • [23:44:06] <georgem_home> or anything
  • [23:44:22] <thurgood> it doesn't concern me what of mine the NSA sees... that they see it without due process concerns me
  • [23:45:22] <georgem_home> thurgood: Is a FISA court due process?
  • [23:45:26] <pru_evtout_2> thurgood: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130619/17344023538/fbi-admits-that-obeying-constitution-just-takes-too-much-time.shtml
  • [23:46:04] <Rickta59> i personally think we should just defund the military for a couple of years and let all those big corporation take care of themselves
  • [23:46:18] <Rickta59> it would bring manuacturing back home pretty quickly
  • [23:46:19] <georgem_home> +1
  • [23:47:02] <pru_evtout_2> Rickta59: a relative works on a base in Utah. with the budget cuts that are in place, they turn off all of the air conditioning to save money. people were, literally, passing out from the heat.
  • [23:47:15] <Rickta59> yeah that makes sense
  • [23:47:28] <thurgood> seeing as they don't bring specific charges or reasons before looking at massive amounts of data... no FISA is not due process
  • [23:47:31] <Rickta59> save a dollar to spend thousands on healthcare
  • [23:48:00] <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: thats sequestration at work, which is basically the result of political cival war
  • [23:48:14] <pru_evtout_2> yes.
  • [23:50:03] <georgem_home> pru_evtout_2: my brother in law is in the forces he's deployed right now so I sympathize.
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  • [23:56:43] <georgem_home> thurgood: there is always the troubling argument that there is good reason to do this but we can't tell you because it would blow the cover of the entire operation
  • [23:57:34] <thurgood> there's a good reason to water board terrorists... doen't make it legal
  • [23:57:46] <georgem_home> thurgood: true
  • [23:58:57] <georgem_home> thurgood: You know what makes me think of... An account by a WWII veteran. Wish I had a youtube video or something.
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