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  • [00:01:36] <mastiff> you might need to export the gcc path again
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  • [00:01:57] <mastiff> i had to do that for u-boot after restarting my computer
  • [00:02:44] <thurgood> it's compiling up to the link stage, it fails due to the undefined references
  • [00:02:45] <mastiff> I was getting errors at this step: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=${CC}
  • [00:03:35] <mranostay> so today i learned icc still exists
  • [00:04:06] <mastiff> Compiling gnu radio now....
  • [00:04:13] <mastiff> Looks like it will take hours.
  • [00:05:35] <mranostay> we need software defined software
  • [00:05:56] <mru> radio-defined software
  • [00:06:06] <mastiff> hardware defined software
  • [00:06:24] <mranostay> hardware defined hardware
  • [00:06:36] <mru> undefined
  • [00:07:16] <SpeedEvil> M4, OTA upgrades, microcode, hardware
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  • [00:08:22] <mru> was it really necessary to say m4?
  • [00:08:27] <mru> now I'll have nightmares
  • [00:08:31] <mranostay> SpeedEvil: no microbrews?
  • [00:08:41] <mru> beer defined software
  • [00:08:51] <SpeedEvil> mru: m4 doesn't scare me.
  • [00:09:00] <SpeedEvil> I wrote a sendmail.cf by hand once.
  • [00:09:03] <maxinux> hey
  • [00:09:05] <mranostay> beer defined decisions
  • [00:09:13] <mru> SpeedEvil: I've done that too
  • [00:09:14] <mastiff_> hehe
  • [00:09:19] <Suboptimus> beer driven development
  • [00:09:20] <mru> then i switched to postfix
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  • [00:09:36] <mru> software defined trolls
  • [00:09:43] <SpeedEvil> I was needing to accept *@domain to one account - and m4 couldn't do it at the time
  • [00:09:48] <m_billybob> thought that was alcohol induced trolls ?
  • [00:10:18] <m_billybob> or instant a-h... just add alcohol
  • [00:10:30] <mru> instant troll, just add alcohol
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  • [00:10:55] <mranostay> i'm a troll when sober thank you
  • [00:11:00] <mranostay> although alcohol does increase the level
  • [00:11:06] <mru> mranostay: you're a troll when drunk too
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  • [00:11:25] <ka6sox> mru, mranostay is a Full Time Troll...
  • [00:11:35] <mru> realtime troll?
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  • [00:11:42] <ka6sox> that too.
  • [00:12:21] <mru> beertime troll
  • [00:13:06] <ka6sox> anytime troll
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  • [00:13:43] <mru> any place too?
  • [00:14:40] <ka6sox> mru, haven't seen any boundries followed yet.
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  • [00:26:45] <alexlist> Good morning!
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  • [00:27:48] <alexlist> I see an error on top of the wiki page... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5711947/
  • [00:29:20] <alexlist> BTW, can anyone tell me what crazy features are not mentioned in the docs of the BeagleBone black? I live in Hong Kong and had to sign an export declaration, basically committing to a) not building nukes or other WMDs with the BeagleBone Black, b) not modifying the device. I don't have the remaining ingredients for a), so I'm more worried about b) - is installing Ubuntu a modification?
  • [00:29:58] <Suboptimus> Uh, I guess you can boot Ubuntu off of an SD card if you're really paranoid.
  • [00:30:09] <beng-nl> alexlist: remaining ingredients :-)
  • [00:30:42] <mru> yeah, mranostay got the uranium
  • [00:30:54] <alexlist> Suboptimus: but installing an SD card is a modification ;)
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  • [00:31:07] <mru> alexlist: I wouldn't worry about it
  • [00:31:27] <Suboptimus> I think it's easier to argue your way out of that one than reflashing the eMMC though
  • [00:31:29] <alexlist> No guys, srsly, what's it with the BeagleBone Black that I had to sign this, and not for the RPi?
  • [00:32:01] <mru> you'd be a fool to build a missile control system with an rpi
  • [00:32:24] <alexlist> Maybe because the RPi shipped out of Singapore with element14/Farnell, and the BBB out of the UK ...
  • [00:32:44] <mru> that may well have something to do with it
  • [00:32:49] <alexlist> mru: ahhh - I see. So you're saying if building a missile control system, use the BBB :)
  • [00:33:11] <alexlist> because of all the I/Os
  • [00:33:31] <maxinux> anyone gotten X working on ubuntu yet?
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  • [00:52:32] <ketas> bbb-wdm
  • [00:52:35] <ketas> wmd
  • [00:52:38] <ketas> bleh
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  • [00:52:59] <mru> wmd-cape, anyone?
  • [00:53:17] <ketas> hahaha
  • [00:53:28] <ketas> i wonder why they even care about things like this
  • [00:53:44] <mru> to which "they" do you refer?
  • [00:54:11] <ketas> whoever came up with (false) export restrictions
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  • [00:54:41] <mru> the chip falls in some rather broad category with export restrictions
  • [00:55:07] <mru> normally a manufacturer of, say, a phone would clear the final product for export
  • [00:56:05] <mru> or the distrubutors in other countries would take care of it
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  • [01:01:17] <ketas> bbb missile
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  • [01:02:17] <ketas> well, but what do they actually use to build wmd's?
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  • [01:03:24] <SpeedEvil> arduino
  • [01:03:40] <mru> warduino
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  • [01:07:12] <ketas> woprino
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  • [01:16:39] <mrpackethead> what you arguing about
  • [01:17:23] <emeb> mrpackethead: got BCC boards. Thx.
  • [01:17:32] <mrpackethead> already. wow
  • [01:17:36] <mrpackethead> that was quck
  • [01:17:47] <emeb> when did you mail 'em?
  • [01:17:55] <mrpackethead> Friday
  • [01:18:01] <emeb> That is fast.
  • [01:18:32] <mrpackethead> probalby the rest of the folks will have theirs arriveing any moment
  • [01:18:38] <mrpackethead> get those soldering irons ready!
  • [01:18:47] <mrpackethead> theres still a few left
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  • [01:38:00] <cleb> I'm attempting to get Debian installed on my new BBB. I am following http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian using netinstall. I am having issues with getting the network to work, dhcp fails, and manual configuration does not work either. The sdcard setup script mentioned an issue with the onboard ethernet. I don't have a usb ethernet adapter, is there a different way to get this installed?
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  • [01:44:44] <kaektech> Wow, guess I better hit the digikey.
  • [01:45:20] <mastiff> Digikey has all the parts except for one
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  • [01:49:18] <mrpackethead> what do you need mastiff?
  • [01:52:10] <mastiff_> This is the part I couldn't get from digikey http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vectron/VCC1-B3D-50M0000000/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhMYCDpG%252brs7yPo1vyS8752UKEA%252bn8Ua0gdYnpVcTvwxA%3d%3d
  • [01:52:52] <mastiff_> Couldn't find a sub either with the correct specs and package size.
  • [01:53:01] <mastiff_> But mouser has it in stock.
  • [01:53:19] <mastiff_> uh i take that back
  • [01:53:25] <mastiff_> out of stock at mouser
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  • [01:54:07] <mastiff_> 9week lead time lol
  • [01:54:36] <m_billybob> cleb ethernet or g-ether ?
  • [01:55:30] <maxinux> does anyone have X working in anything other than angstrom on BBB?
  • [01:55:54] <cleb> m_billybob: I'm using the onboard ethernet on the BBB, hooked to a Cisco 10/100 router.
  • [01:56:33] <mrpackethead> mastiff, i founda sub
  • [01:56:35] <mrpackethead> hold a sec
  • [01:57:04] <mrpackethead> DK part 887-1379-1-ND
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  • [01:57:25] <cleb> I got the demo image booted up, is there an easy way to install to the internal flash from that?
  • [01:57:34] <m_billybob> cleb try pointing resolve.conf -> nameserver to your router. humor me
  • [01:57:49] <m_billybob> on the sd install
  • [01:58:10] <mrpackethead> mastiff_: embed got his boards today
  • [01:58:12] <cleb> Using manual config?
  • [01:58:19] <mrpackethead> so yours wont' be far behind.
  • [01:58:33] <cleb> I don't have a dns relay setup on that router, but you say it may work?
  • [01:59:49] <mastiff_> Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Need to track down that oscillator.
  • [02:00:38] <m_billybob> cleb, default resolve.conf -> nameserver is 192.168.1.1
  • [02:00:44] <m_billybob> cleb you have such a network ?
  • [02:01:15] <m_billybob> cleb whatever the case point it to your local network gateway that does have dns
  • [02:02:36] <m_billybob> cleb, i had these same issues with that setup, and until I set the nameserver, i couldnt ssh in so yeah stumped but it worked for me
  • [02:03:26] <m_billybob> cleb, and yeah, ive used both configurations dhcp and static
  • [02:03:36] <cleb> oh, I'm not even that far. I can't get the net install to even configure the network to download packages + install debian
  • [02:04:02] <m_billybob> ?
  • [02:04:11] <m_billybob> which step ?
  • [02:04:21] <cleb> seems there is an issue with the network using net install that is a known issue, I'm just trying to find a way around it without using a external usb network adapter.
  • [02:04:39] <cleb> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [02:04:49] <m_billybob> oh you're on a beagleboard ?
  • [02:05:40] <m_billybob> cleb try these instruction instead
  • [02:05:46] <m_billybob> cleb -> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
  • [02:05:50] <m_billybob> written by tghe same guy
  • [02:06:04] <m_billybob> you compile uboot and kernel from sourced the ndownload rootfs
  • [02:06:09] <m_billybob> sources*
  • [02:06:47] <m_billybob> well hmm
  • [02:07:14] <m_billybob> except the instructions i just linked requires a cross compile system
  • [02:07:19] <m_billybob> so yeah
  • [02:07:24] <m_billybob> just dawned on me
  • [02:10:37] <emeb> mrpackethead: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/pmod_adapter/index.html
  • [02:11:02] <emeb> board for converting the BCC 28-pin connector to 3x Digilent PMODs.
  • [02:11:46] <mastiff_> mrpackethead: This looks like an acceptable sub for the 50MHz oscillator http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/FXO-HC735-50/631-1060-1-ND/1024765
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  • [02:13:30] <brendan_> Is anyone using USB Wifi on the beaglebone black?
  • [02:13:56] <mru> I've heard the notion mentioned before
  • [02:14:02] <emeb> mastiff_: that pkg is slightly different.
  • [02:14:14] <m_billybob> mru, probably al over the google groups . . .
  • [02:14:27] <brendan_> i have it working but its brutally slow and unreliable
  • [02:14:44] <m_billybob> sounds like a bum driver
  • [02:14:49] <mru> sounds like usb
  • [02:14:50] <m_billybob> ( posibly )
  • [02:14:51] <mru> and wifi
  • [02:15:01] <mru> now multiply the two
  • [02:15:09] <brendan_> it just stop working, then starts again
  • [02:15:18] <mastiff_> emeb: what about this one: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ECS-3953M-500-B-TR/XC795CT-ND/332645
  • [02:15:25] <m_billybob> brendan_ how are you powering your board ?
  • [02:15:26] <thurgood> how are the .depends generated in uboot, specifically al the ones under spl?
  • [02:15:46] <brendan_> 2A jack
  • [02:16:18] <emeb> mastiff_: the one mrpackethead linked is better: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7W-50.000MBA-T/887-1379-1-ND/2207961
  • [02:16:50] <m_billybob> brendan_, then it is probably what mru says. although can you test your signal strength ?
  • [02:16:53] <mastiff_> oh, I had missed that.... thanks
  • [02:17:23] <mrpackethead> mastiff_: that ones good
  • [02:17:24] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [02:17:58] <mastiff_> That completes my Digi-Key order :)
  • [02:18:47] <brendan_> Signal level=-35 dBm
  • [02:19:13] <mastiff_> may as well install the xilinx software....
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  • [02:19:48] <alexlist> can you guys recommend a decent enclosure for the BBB? Or does anyone have files to 3d print one? ;)
  • [02:20:07] <mrpackethead> alexlist: i printed mine
  • [02:20:24] <mrpackethead> theres some good models on thingiverse
  • [02:20:40] <maxinux> working on a new one
  • [02:20:43] <maxinux> all the current ones suckj
  • [02:20:46] <m_billybob> theres a good case or one that looks good posted on the google groups today
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  • [02:20:49] <m_billybob> two piece metal
  • [02:21:47] <mrpackethead> maybe we should get some cnc machined
  • [02:21:48] <mastiff_> planning on making a nice wooden case. I have lots of scrap teak, rosewood, and walnut from boatbuilding.
  • [02:21:51] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [02:21:53] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [02:23:28] <mranostay> the mrpackethead
  • [02:23:46] <mrpackethead> the mranostay
  • [02:24:26] <m_billybob> brendan_ that sounds reasonable i think ( been a while ) what does ping say ?
  • [02:25:51] <brendan_> unknown hose
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  • [02:25:59] <brendan_> sometimes it works, sometime no dice
  • [02:26:28] <m_billybob> so its dropping packets
  • [02:26:34] <brendan_> yup
  • [02:26:57] <brendan_> its an EN7811UN
  • [02:27:12] <m_billybob> have you check on the google groups ?
  • [02:27:15] <m_billybob> checked*
  • [02:27:20] <brendan_> 50% packet loss from the last ping of google
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  • [02:27:33] <brendan_> yeah i haven't found anything particulaly usefull
  • [02:28:21] <m_billybob> and the wireless router it connects to is known workign good id imagine
  • [02:28:44] <mastiff_> this one looks interesting also http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/txdac/index.html
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  • [02:29:07] <brendan_> yup, using it right now
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  • [02:30:10] <m_billybob> well idk man, i dont know the state of the usb drivers and/or the drivers for that given dongle
  • [02:30:54] <m_billybob> was this a recommended device from adafruit or circuitco ?
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  • [02:32:06] <brendan_> not the brand, but its the same chipset as the adafruit one
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  • [02:34:47] <m_billybob> mru, you've tested usb wirless id assume ?
  • [02:36:16] <m_billybob> 50% packet loss soudns suspiciously like a broken device or drivers
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  • [03:10:39] <cleb> So I got a debian image installed on the BBB. Now whenever its booted it randomly powers off? No lights on the board. Powering it on may make it get somewhere in the boot process
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  • [03:18:26] <maxinux> cleb: power
  • [03:18:32] <maxinux> cleb: you dont have enough power into the board
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  • [03:20:30] <cleb> :/
  • [03:20:40] <cleb> is a 1A usb power supply not enough?
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  • [03:22:28] <m_billybob> cleb if for just the board it should be. USB 3.0 or hub ?
  • [03:25:08] <cleb> I'm using an Apple 2.1A wall wart now, through the USB power port, and it still just randomly powers off.
  • [03:25:53] <m_billybob> what do the usr leds do ?
  • [03:25:55] <mastiff_> might be a bad connection
  • [03:26:08] <m_billybob> all usr leds off or some / all on ?
  • [03:26:12] <cleb> They seem to dimly flash at times
  • [03:26:18] <cleb> when it crashes, no LED's are on.
  • [03:26:28] <cleb> goes compltely dark
  • [03:26:30] <mastiff_> what about the vcc led on the other side?
  • [03:26:52] <mastiff_> just use a USB cable into computer
  • [03:27:12] <m_billybob> that sounds like something is misconfigured with the steps you took for puttting debian on the sd card
  • [03:27:43] <m_billybob> a serial debug cable would help tons here
  • [03:28:36] <rbarris> You can't assume the Apple wall wart will source 2.1A unless it sees the magic resistor values across the USB pins...
  • [03:28:58] <rbarris> can you switch to a 5V DC hookup instead?
  • [03:29:34] <rbarris> http://blog.curioussystem.com/2010/08/the-dirty-truth-about-usb-device-charging/
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  • [03:30:14] <cleb> No LED's are lit, VCC or otherwise, when it crashes.
  • [03:31:41] <cleb> It seems to do it when running apt-get install for a package, probably more resource intensive. I do not have a 5vdc power supply to try. I plugged it into my laptop and it won't even get through the entire boot process before all the LED's shut off.
  • [03:31:57] <cleb> (plugged into a std USB 2.0 port)
  • [03:32:05] <m_billybob> then id have to say what rbarris says is very likely.
  • [03:32:52] <mastiff_> something doesn't sound right though, you should be able to power just the BBB off a laptop just fine
  • [03:32:54] <m_billybob> if the vcc led goes out, yeah it should still be on if its a software issue. thats what i get anyhow( e.g. when i messed up the rootfs first go around )
  • [03:33:12] <mastiff_> my BBB has been compiling gnuradio for going on three hours now
  • [03:33:24] <mastiff_> getting a little warm :)
  • [03:33:29] <m_billybob> mastiff hence why you cross compile ;)
  • [03:33:29] <mastiff_> no power issues though
  • [03:33:44] <mastiff_> yeah, I wanna get that setup
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  • [03:34:12] <mastiff_> are there any speed advantages to compiling on the device for actually running the application?
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  • [03:34:24] <cleb> So, if the VCC LED just dies, probably a power issue?
  • [03:34:28] <m_billybob> yes, and they are all negative.
  • [03:34:42] <m_billybob> cleb, that would be my guess yes.
  • [03:34:46] <mastiff_> not the compiling time, but the performance of the compiled application
  • [03:35:07] <m_billybob> none if you setup cross dev envoirnment proerly
  • [03:35:13] <m_billybob> properly too
  • [03:35:20] <cleb> Well that sucks. Guess I need to hunt up a 5vdc power supply.
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  • [03:36:08] <mastiff_> try a different usb cable, but you'll want a 2A 5vdc power supply for running peripherals most likely
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  • [03:36:28] <m_billybob> cleb, its just a guess but what rbarris says is true. lots of those application specific power supplies expect some form of feedback from the device they're plugged into. they dont sense that feedback, they just shut off or act as expected
  • [03:36:50] <m_billybob> or act unexpectedly*
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  • [03:37:15] * m_billybob 's head is in the cloud today
  • [03:37:31] <cleb> mastiff_: can you reccomend a power supply?
  • [03:37:44] <m_billybob> just got nfs sharing workign across my debian cross dev machine to my bbb though
  • [03:38:37] <m_billybob> and wow its late already
  • [03:38:43] * m_billybob will bbiab
  • [03:38:48] <m_billybob> need to walk to doggies :)
  • [03:40:01] <mastiff_> you want 120vac to 5vdc or 12vdc to 5vdc?
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  • [03:40:52] <cleb> Will 5.1v be OK or is that too much?
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  • [03:44:07] <mastiff_> for dc to dc I like these little modules http://www.ebay.com/itm/fever-high-efficiency-DC-DC-8V-48V-to-5V-3A-buck-step-down-power-supply-module-/350804489035?pt=US_Adapters&hash=item51ad93b34b
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  • [03:47:04] <mastiff> i got my SD storage working properly
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  • [03:48:15] * mranostay has a beer for mastiff
  • [03:50:08] <Shadyman> mranostay: So I'm going over your nixie cape commit https://github.com/mranostay/beagle-nixie/blob/master/kernel/3.8/0002-beaglebone-Add-nixie-cape-device-tree-entry.patch
  • [03:50:29] <Shadyman> mranostay: Is there any kind of how-to for making one's own?
  • [03:53:37] <mastiff> alright, gnu radio is installed on my BBB
  • [03:54:22] <mastiff> found some benchmarking someone did on a 1st gen beagle bone, so i'm going to run that program to compare the numbers
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  • [03:56:48] <mranostay> that would have helpful to document wouldn't it have? :)
  • [03:57:12] <cleb> mastiff_: what kind of stuff are you doing with gnuradio?
  • [03:57:24] <cleb> 5.1vdc power supply seems to be hackin it....
  • [03:57:29] <ketas> cleb: 5.1 falls in usb specs
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  • [03:57:43] <cleb> no more crashes :)
  • [03:58:02] <cleb> power hungry little bastard. Hopefully it runs the software I need better than rasp pi
  • [03:58:08] <ketas> or what was it
  • [03:59:08] <m_billybob> very nice cleb
  • [04:00:05] <m_billybob> cleb out of curiosity what do you plan on runnning on it ?
  • [04:00:56] <mastiff> cleb i'm installing it on my sailboat for general experimentation
  • [04:01:11] <mranostay> Shadyman: working on a PCB form of it
  • [04:01:24] <Shadyman> mranostay: Neat.
  • [04:01:27] <ketas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Power
  • [04:01:43] <ketas> cleb: to be honest, it's pretty hard to create 5.000
  • [04:01:44] <mranostay> Shadyman: little thing called work gets in the way :)
  • [04:01:52] <Shadyman> mranostay: I've got my SD Card Cape PCB'd, and reflowed me one. EEPROM's programmed, it just needs some kernel code :/
  • [04:02:23] <mastiff> how fast can the SD read/write?
  • [04:02:50] <Shadyman> mastiff: Not sure yet, I don't have a kernel driver for it yet
  • [04:02:52] * Shadyman hums.
  • [04:03:02] <Shadyman> but its' 4 data lines, like the sd card on the BBB
  • [04:05:06] <Shadyman> So speed should be similar
  • [04:05:13] <mranostay> Shadyman: using the PRU?
  • [04:05:25] <Shadyman> mranostay: Using MMC1
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  • [04:08:52] <mranostay> ah duh
  • [04:08:59] * mranostay facepalms himself
  • [04:11:00] <Shadyman> Well, it was obvious with the BBWhite, as it wasn't actually used for anything
  • [04:11:35] <Shadyman> but now with BBB, it's used for the eMMC, so apparently it needs its RESET held down or something
  • [04:11:41] <Shadyman> ka6sox was describing it
  • [04:11:50] <_av500_> Shadyman: btw, 14k vs your 12k
  • [04:11:59] <Shadyman> _av500_: Bastard!
  • [04:12:08] <mranostay> _av500_: hey my favorite german troll
  • [04:12:33] <ketas> what's expected average write endurance of emmc? :)
  • [04:13:48] <Shadyman> sounds like something that'd be in the datasheet :)
  • [04:14:11] <Shadyman> of whichever chip the BBB uses for flash storage
  • [04:14:50] <mranostay> mmmm i smell steak
  • [04:15:17] <Shadyman> mmm
  • [04:15:19] <ketas> maybe it's bb burning?
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  • [04:16:36] <Shadyman> Some men just want to watch the BB burn.
  • [04:17:02] <mranostay> oh i've shorted one or two in my time doesn't smell like that
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  • [04:22:00] <mranostay> emeb_mac: FPGA!!!
  • [04:22:18] <emeb_mac> mranostay: Rah! Rah!
  • [04:23:27] <ketas> hmm
  • [04:24:22] <ketas> can anyone suggest proper protection for long-running wires attached to, say, pins in gpio mode
  • [04:24:26] <ketas> ?
  • [04:25:17] <SpeedEvil> resistors in series, and diodes on either supply rail
  • [04:28:26] <ketas> and tvs?
  • [04:28:45] <mranostay> SpeedEvil: GPIOs can only source 20 mA iirc
  • [04:29:20] <SpeedEvil> they can be damaged by static
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  • [04:29:48] <ketas> i think i add optocouplers there anyway
  • [04:30:24] <mranostay> heh overkill much?
  • [04:31:21] <ketas> well they are cheaper than new board?
  • [04:31:42] <mranostay> well yes
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  • [04:34:57] <SpeedEvil> and reliability
  • [04:45:11] <ka6sox> WhoWhatWhere?
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  • [04:51:25] <ketas> definitely interesting soc in bb
  • [04:52:23] <av500> ahoi
  • [04:52:24] <ka6sox> ketas, interesting like the Chinese Curse?
  • [04:52:27] <ka6sox> arrrr
  • [04:52:47] <ketas> wtf
  • [04:53:10] <ka6sox> ketas, that was for av500
  • [04:53:11] <ka6sox> :)
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  • [05:05:22] <ketas> optocoupler provides some separation already
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  • [05:18:10] <ka6sox> mastiff mastiff_ did you get a capture of the can't boot from anything console?
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  • [05:24:40] <tasslehoff> good morning
  • [05:25:17] <dm8tbr> good moaning
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  • [05:26:01] <mranostay> hey-o!
  • [05:26:41] <mranostay> hi dm8tbr-o-dm8tbr
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  • [05:27:02] <dm8tbr> hulloh mranox86
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  • [05:27:16] <mranostay> oh so cold so cold
  • [05:27:31] <mrpackethead> whats cold
  • [05:27:41] <dm8tbr> should have stayed in california
  • [05:27:52] <mrpackethead> i'm trying to adjust my attitude so its not so frosty
  • [05:28:01] <dm8tbr> but now you'll at least have enough CPUs to warm you on cold days
  • [05:28:28] <mrpackethead> mranostay: did'nt someone tell you that intel is so 2012, and arm is taking over the planet
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  • [05:31:32] <av500> mrpackethead: arm is passing fad
  • [05:31:34] <av500> a*
  • [05:31:40] <mrpackethead> ahh ok.
  • [05:32:35] <ka6sox> relagated to the scrapheap along with Alpha
  • [05:33:37] * ka6sox hopes his mailbox has goodies tomorrow.
  • [05:33:38] <av500> back to controlling washing machines
  • [05:34:00] <ka6sox> av500, thats not an easy task....
  • [05:34:01] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: could be
  • [05:34:18] * mrpackethead is back to controlling leds
  • [05:34:23] <ka6sox> mechanical timers do a better job...
  • [05:34:55] <mrpackethead> 25 years of work experience, a unvieseity education, and now what do i do.
  • [05:34:58] <mrpackethead> i make leds flash
  • [05:35:18] <mrpackethead> i made my first led flash when i was about 10 years old i guess
  • [05:35:25] <ka6sox> av500, when was the last time you Static Zapped a Mechanical timer?
  • [05:35:40] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: you jsut dd'nt have enough static
  • [05:36:13] * ka6sox stands on 5gal plastic pail...
  • [05:36:30] <av500> ka6sox: its always the heater
  • [05:36:43] <ka6sox> av500, too true
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  • [05:37:28] <mrpackethead> just having some green tea
  • [05:38:56] <ketas> hah
  • [05:39:41] <ka6sox> White Merlot
  • [05:39:43] <mrpackethead> was the ipod before the imac
  • [05:40:04] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I don't *do* iThings
  • [05:40:05] <ketas> what
  • [05:40:21] <ketas> who needs ipod nowadays
  • [05:40:30] <mranostay> iphone!
  • [05:40:30] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, it was after.
  • [05:40:31] <av500> mrpackethead: in the beginning there was the iApple2
  • [05:40:52] <mrpackethead> who wants to be a millionare.. irc version
  • [05:41:12] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, and you want to ask *this* channel?
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  • [05:41:36] <ketas> more like who wants to be thousandaire
  • [05:41:45] <mrpackethead> which other channel would know *everything*
  • [05:41:51] <av500> few
  • [05:42:03] <mranostay> if i had a million would i hang out in irc :)
  • [05:42:16] <av500> a million bytes?
  • [05:42:19] <av500> imagine!
  • [05:42:30] <mrpackethead> hey, i'll sell you Millon bytes for a dollar
  • [05:42:38] <mrpackethead> MOQ is 1000Mb'
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  • [05:44:32] * dm8tbr would even offer 8 million bits for a dollar
  • [05:44:42] <av500> do I hear more?
  • [05:45:41] <ka6sox> dm8tbr, are you conspiring with the Wireless Carriers again :P
  • [05:45:57] <dm8tbr> I could throw in some parity bits as a bonus
  • [05:46:09] <dm8tbr> ka6sox: shhhhhh, nobody should know I work for the harddisk industry
  • [05:46:20] <av500> that industry has gone soft
  • [05:46:37] <mranostay> drug dealing is where the money is
  • [05:46:49] <mrpackethead> could the harddisks ahve gone soft
  • [05:46:50] <mrpackethead> mmm
  • [05:46:58] <mrpackethead> thats a bit scary
  • [05:46:58] <ka6sox> mranostay, All Troll, All the time.
  • [05:47:10] <mrpackethead> a soft hard disk
  • [05:47:13] <mrpackethead> jsut want i want
  • [05:47:35] * ka6sox refrains from asking what a firm disk is...
  • [05:48:30] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Giggity
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  • [05:48:51] <ketas> SpeedEvil: however i find it difficult to come up with proper circuit
  • [05:48:51] <mranostay> #beagle after dark...
  • [05:49:06] <ka6sox> #beagle *all* the time.
  • [05:49:21] <dm8tbr> soft harddisks? as in all floppy and wiggly?
  • [05:49:45] * mranostay digs for a ceeper card
  • [05:49:49] * ka6sox sees where this is heading..and it isn't pretty
  • [05:49:51] <mranostay> must have lost them in the move
  • [05:50:00] <mranostay> *creeper
  • [05:50:08] <ka6sox> mranostay, but you have so many boxes of them...
  • [05:50:11] <av500> no forking of repos
  • [05:50:13] * dm8tbr hands mranostay a stack of troll-cards??? instead
  • [05:50:14] <ketas> beaglecreeper
  • [05:50:23] <av500> before 10
  • [05:50:45] <ka6sox> av500, its always 10 someplace
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  • [05:50:52] <mrpackethead> ill fork what i forking well want to fork, you fork
  • [05:51:02] <ketas> fork you
  • [05:51:09] <ketas> beef
  • [05:51:19] <mrpackethead> only good beef
  • [05:51:22] <Russ> kang is the modern term
  • [05:51:26] <mranostay> yeah this is going well
  • [05:51:30] <av500> ka6sox: no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
  • [05:51:34] <ketas> gang nom style
  • [05:52:30] <mrpackethead> .beat
  • [05:52:39] <av500> show me on the doll where chad kanged you
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  • [05:53:09] <ketas> hahaha
  • [05:53:10] <ka6sox> its a good thing I have labeled #beagle as NSFC
  • [05:53:23] <mrpackethead> @286
  • [05:53:54] <ka6sox> "daddy...whats a kang?"
  • [05:54:17] <mrpackethead> 287 .beats
  • [05:54:18] <ketas> what's kang anyway
  • [05:54:22] <av500> shh, you are not ready son
  • [05:55:05] <mrpackethead> ok, smarty pants people
  • [05:55:11] <ka6sox> 42
  • [05:55:22] <ketas> i only know that's estonian word for long metal stick to pry on things
  • [05:55:23] <mrpackethead> i need a low cost but reletively low cost way of measuring DC current
  • [05:55:25] <ketas> :P
  • [05:55:29] <mrpackethead> ranging 0-60A
  • [05:55:43] <ka6sox> its called a SHUNT
  • [05:55:52] <tasslehoff> todays topic for me is to find out how to solve my musb woes. a) fix current kernel, b) get newer kernel, c) accept broken/flaky hardware. I recall someone talking about broken musb here, but I don't know if they spoke about soft or hard ware.
  • [05:55:58] <mrpackethead> i'd lke to acehvie +/- 0.5% accuancy
  • [05:56:05] <av500> ketas: now apply that stick to a linux kernel
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  • [05:56:11] <av500> thats kanging
  • [05:56:14] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, what processor
  • [05:56:25] <av500> omap3
  • [05:56:31] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: 3530. our board is almost a C3
  • [05:56:42] <tasslehoff> beagleboard rev c3, that is
  • [05:57:00] <ka6sox> I was talking about it in the context of an 8168
  • [05:57:07] <ka6sox> and for that device..its broken
  • [05:57:14] <av500> musb is broken everywhere
  • [05:57:19] <ka6sox> (or flakey at best)
  • [05:57:36] <ka6sox> av500, so there is no hope?
  • [05:57:56] <ka6sox> "abandon hope all ye who enter into musbland"?
  • [05:58:02] <av500> there is
  • [05:58:08] <av500> I guess most can be fixed driver side
  • [05:58:36] <ka6sox> but *is* it fixed or is this something one must sit at the feet of the masters for 6 months to attain?
  • [05:58:43] <tasslehoff> we have disabled dma, and though it is slower, it mostly works now
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  • [05:59:00] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, not an option for our app.
  • [05:59:22] <ka6sox> it prints slow enough already.
  • [05:59:32] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: a pain for us as well, but better than crashing for now
  • [05:59:32] <av500> save paper, print less
  • [05:59:58] <ka6sox> av500, patients want to see pretty pictures of their insides....what can I say...
  • [06:00:10] <av500> say no more
  • [06:00:28] <ka6sox> more
  • [06:00:48] <tasslehoff> my issue now is occasional crashes on reboot, that leave the kernel so sad that an "8 second reset" is needed.
  • [06:01:23] <ka6sox> why the FDA would care how long it takes to print is beyond me.
  • [06:01:38] <av500> it should print before the patient expires
  • [06:01:58] <ka6sox> and so that the bill can be paid.
  • [06:02:04] <av500> indeed
  • [06:02:11] <av500> print a stock image :)
  • [06:02:16] <av500> ah right, print is slow
  • [06:02:19] <av500> not faking the image
  • [06:02:36] <ka6sox> just open the drawer and pull one out
  • [06:02:40] <av500> yes
  • [06:02:45] <av500> the one from the last patient
  • [06:03:05] <ka6sox> till patients compare pictures...then the jig is up.
  • [06:03:24] <av500> they do that a lot?
  • [06:03:31] <ka6sox> more than you know
  • [06:03:36] <breedx> are usb gadgets (network and console over usb) available on the bbb stock/shipped image? Does it needs special enabling?
  • [06:03:52] <av500> it might
  • [06:03:54] <av500> not sure
  • [06:03:59] <ka6sox> sekret incantations
  • [06:04:15] <ka6sox> breedx, some are in there...others you might need to compile in
  • [06:04:17] <av500> lsmod shows only g_multi
  • [06:04:18] <mranostay> ka6sox: fun project?
  • [06:04:20] <tasslehoff> I consider trying 3.2.18, but saw a post on The Web about someone getting the same crash there.
  • [06:04:29] <m_billybob> magik handwaving
  • [06:04:35] <ka6sox> mranostay, mostly...but the musb thing is a killer
  • [06:04:52] <breedx> ka6sox: are network and console over usb among those included or ??
  • [06:04:55] <ka6sox> my last 2.6 kernel project.
  • [06:05:07] <mranostay> heh all roads point to Mentor :P
  • [06:05:24] <av500> mental
  • [06:05:24] <ka6sox> breedx, check the ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist for a discussion on that issue
  • [06:05:31] <breedx> ka6sox: cool, thx
  • [06:05:48] <ketas> SpeedEvil: sure you mean circuit similar to http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Tutorial/Protection_files/shapeimage_10.png ?
  • [06:05:58] <ketas> SpeedEvil: s/sure/surely/
  • [06:06:20] <mranostay> f#$# blew up a MOSFET
  • [06:06:35] <m_billybob> must be oh beer thirty
  • [06:06:35] <mranostay> at least it was only $0.30
  • [06:06:39] <mrpackethead> did you fork the mostfet
  • [06:06:41] <ka6sox> blue smoke picture or it didn't happen
  • [06:07:10] <mrpackethead> how did you blow up a mosfet
  • [06:07:19] <mrpackethead> its impossible
  • [06:07:31] <av500> use a tube
  • [06:07:40] <mrpackethead> mosfets are a myth
  • [06:07:56] <ketas> connect tube to bbb
  • [06:08:17] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: you're struggling with musb on 2.6?
  • [06:08:27] <ka6sox> yes
  • [06:08:30] <tasslehoff> and it is your last 2.6 project?
  • [06:08:31] <ka6sox> 2.6.37
  • [06:08:43] <tasslehoff> it's almost like we're brothers in sorrow.
  • [06:08:54] <tasslehoff> 2.6.39 here, but otherwise the same :)
  • [06:08:57] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, medical is not fun
  • [06:09:14] <maxinux> argh why does angstrom have to suck so bad, and ubuntu be so incomplete...
  • [06:09:21] <av500> incimplete?
  • [06:09:33] <ka6sox> maxinux, define "suck so bad" please/
  • [06:09:34] <ka6sox> ?
  • [06:10:03] <mrpackethead> we do understand the statmetn about ubuntu
  • [06:10:09] <maxinux> ubuntu... no good prebuilt image, and no fbdev preventing X use atm... and no linux gadget support ...
  • [06:10:38] <mrpackethead> maxinut, why dont' you build one
  • [06:10:41] <maxinux> angstrom -> lack of built in drivers, packages etc.... ubuntu or debian would make a lot more sense
  • [06:10:51] <mrpackethead> so, install debian
  • [06:10:53] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: don't know what you're struggling with, but I had to turn off dma after seeing Advisory 3.1.1.132
  • [06:10:59] <tasslehoff> in the errata
  • [06:11:16] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, we saw it too...but too late to switch.
  • [06:11:21] <mrpackethead> maxinux: have you heard of google?
  • [06:11:46] <ka6sox> maxinux, can you be more specific about which drivers and packages are "missing" from Angstrom?
  • [06:11:47] <maxinux> lol, way to be helpful :) google would not help any of those problems
  • [06:12:18] <mrpackethead> well, i used google to find people who had solved these problems
  • [06:12:26] <mrpackethead> then i collated all the information together
  • [06:12:29] <mrpackethead> and mad eit work
  • [06:12:36] <mrpackethead> but if you are too lazy to do that
  • [06:12:50] <mrpackethead> then you'll just make trolls angry here
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  • [06:12:51] <vinal> hi
  • [06:13:14] <mrpackethead> but angstrom does suck
  • [06:13:15] <maxinux> mrpackethead: more like mrdouchehead... whatever i can handle trolls, you are jsut being stupid and unhelpful. if you collected data, share it.
  • [06:13:20] <m_billybob> fine bvy me, where's my beer ?
  • [06:13:31] <vinal> i need to know how to install xbmc
  • [06:13:33] <ka6sox> maxinux, can you please answer my question? I am trying to help here
  • [06:13:44] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: hes being lazy..
  • [06:13:52] <m_billybob> vinal wrong channel
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  • [06:14:03] <maxinux> ka6sox: common wireless drivers to start... beagle is limited by the available os choices that work easily, raspi limited by slower hardware.. kinda funny.. oh accelerated X drivers being an omap4 issue
  • [06:14:24] <vinal> what does it mean?
  • [06:14:30] <ka6sox> which board do you have?
  • [06:14:37] <maxinux> mrpackethead: ive been messing with ubuntu and archlinux for the last few days, none of this makes me lazy, the fact that one can just plugin a raspi and work ...
  • [06:14:41] <maxinux> ka6sox: black
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  • [06:14:47] <vinal> i got the ninja block
  • [06:14:49] <ka6sox> vinal, what are you trying to install xbmc on?
  • [06:14:57] <mrpackethead> maxinux: then go and use a pi.
  • [06:15:17] <vinal> i have BeagleBone Black
  • [06:15:23] <vinal> ok
  • [06:15:33] <vinal> On BeagleBone
  • [06:15:38] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: you haven't encountered this kind of crash (and figured it out) http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/447/t/244999.aspx ?
  • [06:15:44] <ka6sox> vinal, you can install it on a BBB but it will only support 720p
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  • [06:16:04] <vinal> its ok i can watch some channel
  • [06:16:17] <vinal> its ok ka6sox
  • [06:16:39] <tasslehoff> once/if I solve that I think I'm releasing the last rootfs for this grand ole hardware
  • [06:16:51] <vinal> will the picture will be poor :ka6sox
  • [06:16:53] <maxinux> ka6sox: i suspect my issue is that I expect a more useful os for a desktop use with all this power, but the time was never spent on that.. this board should be so much more popular and useful than it is atm... it will get there, but right now everyone is re-doing the same work everyone else is doing
  • [06:17:21] <ka6sox> maxinux, Angstrom is an Embedded Distribution
  • [06:17:31] <ka6sox> vinal, I can't tell you it will be poor...just not 1080p
  • [06:17:56] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, are you using OTG?
  • [06:17:56] <vinal> ok Ka6sox
  • [06:18:17] <vinal> Do you know how can i install :ka6sox
  • [06:18:22] <av500> vinal: xbmc on BBB makes little sense
  • [06:18:33] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: host only, with an on-board connection to smsc lan9500.
  • [06:18:37] <m_billybob> maxinux, if you truely want to know whats going on, read teh googlegroups for beagelboard
  • [06:18:56] <m_billybob> lots of thing all happened at once whcih gives us the state of thing as the yare now
  • [06:19:03] <m_billybob> including TI dropign the ball
  • [06:19:08] <vinal> Some body must have install xbmc in bbb
  • [06:19:23] <maxinux> m_billybob: shocker there re TI :)
  • [06:19:29] <ka6sox> m_billybob, people *are* working to solve the issues.
  • [06:19:43] <ka6sox> so don't paint everyone with the same brush.
  • [06:19:56] * maxinux hates forums but will take a peak... i suspect the answer is be patient and make my own work for now heh
  • [06:20:03] <m_billybob> ka6sox yeah and these people get paid exactly how much ?
  • [06:20:07] <m_billybob> wink wink
  • [06:20:45] <ka6sox> depends on who they are and what they are working on I suppose.
  • [06:21:05] <m_billybob> I figure by the time i learn everything i need to know to get what i want working, stuff will already start appearing
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  • [06:21:26] <Shadyman> :o http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/
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  • [06:21:32] <ka6sox> maxinux, Angstrom has things that are *not* in the onboard flash
  • [06:21:47] <ka6sox> the flash is somewhat limiting (only 2GB)
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  • [06:22:47] <ka6sox> and the kernel isn't a 47k module kitchen sink kernel that takes enough time for coffee...
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  • [06:23:34] <ka6sox> so while support for *every* gadget/device that might be hooked up isn't in there that is normal in embedded stuff.
  • [06:23:40] <vinal> anybody
  • [06:24:07] <av500> vinal: no, mayne nobody did so far
  • [06:24:08] <m_billybob> vinal check the google groups for beagleboard
  • [06:24:08] <ka6sox> vinal, try the ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist
  • [06:24:09] <av500> maybe
  • [06:24:20] <av500> as I said, xbmc on BBB make little sense
  • [06:24:22] <av500> makes
  • [06:24:29] <ka6sox> av500, +1
  • [06:24:38] <av500> it does all decoding on the CPU and the video output is 16bit 565 only
  • [06:24:46] <m_billybob> makes perfect sense if thats what someone wants ;)
  • [06:25:09] <ka6sox> m_billybob, no DSP
  • [06:25:14] <ka6sox> so it doesn't make sense.
  • [06:25:21] <ka6sox> the CPU has to handle all the decoding
  • [06:25:27] <vinal> ok
  • [06:25:35] <m_billybob> *shrug* people do lots of thigns tha dont make sense
  • [06:25:57] <m_billybob> i dont necessarily disagree
  • [06:26:10] <m_billybob> but pricewise whe all is said and done, bbb may make more sense
  • [06:26:30] <ka6sox> m_billybob, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
  • [06:26:30] <m_billybob> rpi is or was almost imossible to get for the suggested retail price
  • [06:26:47] <av500> m_billybob: sure, go ahead
  • [06:26:52] <av500> if you want xbmc, install it
  • [06:26:59] <m_billybob> ka6sox, yeah i know all about the hardware
  • [06:27:02] <av500> its just not a common thing that people
  • [06:27:03] <av500> do
  • [06:27:04] <m_billybob> differences
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  • [06:28:31] <m_billybob> I wouldnt put xmbc on a bbb either
  • [06:28:38] <m_billybob> such a waste of gpio
  • [06:28:44] <ka6sox> m_billybob, sure I can take a $15 ARM chip and turn it into a $1 PIC by making the linux kernel do RT....but why would I want to?
  • [06:29:45] <mrpackethead> maxinux: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
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  • [06:29:48] <LetoThe2nd> ka6sox: well replacing a 1$ pic is not the only use case of RT-PREEMPT
  • [06:29:53] <mrpackethead> knock your self out
  • [06:30:58] <m_billybob> ka6sox for the hell of it ? not like it has to stay "written" in stone, you could also eventually use it should be :)
  • [06:31:00] <maxinux> mrpackethead: had found that already and gotten past all that long ago... remaining issues i have are getting fbdev working on ubuntu.. but just realized recently that that was my only option (no X omap4 driver thanks TI)
  • [06:31:21] <maxinux> mrpackethead: my complaint, if you had bothered to read was that we had to go through that mess at all.
  • [06:31:29] <m_billybob> maxinux quater 4 is a ways off still too . ..
  • [06:31:40] <m_billybob> quarter*
  • [06:31:48] <mrpackethead> if i had designed he BBB, it woud'nt have had an HDMI port
  • [06:31:55] <mrpackethead> it woud'nt ahve had all the silly usb stuff
  • [06:32:03] <av500> maxinux: omap4?
  • [06:32:04] <mrpackethead> its not a desktop / laptop replacemtn
  • [06:32:07] <av500> what are you talking about?
  • [06:32:12] <mrpackethead> and its not a media center
  • [06:32:13] <maxinux> native X driver
  • [06:32:18] <ka6sox> LetoThe2nd, lets just say I've been underwhelmed with General Performance once you tweak the kernel over to the RT side.
  • [06:32:21] <mrpackethead> why do you want a native X driver
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  • [06:32:49] <av500> I must be drugged, but my BBB runs X
  • [06:32:58] <av500> I mean I am drugged
  • [06:33:00] <av500> still
  • [06:33:01] <mrpackethead> av500, of course you are just dreeaming
  • [06:33:02] <m_billybob> it'll run x
  • [06:33:03] <maxinux> mrpackethead: the better to get efficiency out of the hardware with? i dont know why you are askign the most retarded questions ever
  • [06:33:06] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [06:33:08] <LetoThe2nd> ka6sox: sure, when going to RT you always trade throughput for response time.
  • [06:33:15] <LetoThe2nd> av500: even more than usual?
  • [06:33:18] <av500> yes
  • [06:33:19] <maxinux> running X on fb is lame when you could run it accelerated.. the hardware supports it ...
  • [06:33:21] <av500> doubled it today
  • [06:33:24] <ka6sox> LetoThe2nd, you don't have to
  • [06:33:28] <av500> maxinux: what HW?
  • [06:33:30] <LetoThe2nd> av500: BTW: 2x BBB are already in my packstation :)
  • [06:33:31] <mrpackethead> maxinux: i dont' know why you bother to come and visit this
  • [06:33:33] <mrpackethead> channel
  • [06:33:44] <mrpackethead> since you already know all the answers
  • [06:33:46] <maxinux> av500: the SOC
  • [06:34:09] <LetoThe2nd> ka6sox: well if i have RT_PREEMPT *and* i use it, the cpu time has to come from somewhere.
  • [06:34:11] <maxinux> mrpackethead: i was hoping someone would say 'oh this person/people/group is working on making the image better'
  • [06:34:21] <mrpackethead> plenty of people are
  • [06:34:23] <maxinux> but instead its a cluster of people doing things differently
  • [06:34:30] <maxinux> which is fine
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  • [06:34:34] <m_billybob> av500 probably thinking og the powerVR ogl es lack of support
  • [06:34:34] <maxinux> bit lame, but fine
  • [06:34:38] <av500> maxinux: so, the SoC on the BBB
  • [06:34:43] <mrpackethead> but "X" is not somethign that many people regard as important
  • [06:34:51] <maxinux> av500: i guess BBB is the key word here, yes
  • [06:34:54] <av500> ah 3D support
  • [06:35:04] <ka6sox> 3D support is *always* tough.
  • [06:35:10] <av500> yes, that is lacking
  • [06:35:14] <ka6sox> costs $$$$
  • [06:35:28] <maxinux> not that I have a particular need for it... i was thinking the omap driver would _work_ but found angstrom using fbdev .. so going to go that route in ubuntu now
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  • [06:35:55] <av500> maxinux: BBB != omap
  • [06:36:02] <ka6sox> maxinux, I missed your application for the BBB...
  • [06:36:18] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: think hes building a troll-cape
  • [06:36:36] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, sssh...don't wake up the trolls
  • [06:36:40] <mrpackethead> ok, had my fun for the night..
  • [06:36:45] <maxinux> ka6sox: ultimately looking for sdr/ham radio stuff... 3d is not necesary, but would be nice
  • [06:37:01] <mrpackethead> Hi maxinux, welcome to #beagle! where we will be more than willing to help
  • [06:37:02] <ka6sox> maxinux, like freedv or gnuradio?
  • [06:37:11] <m_billybob> ka6sox perhaps a btc miner, you kow that powerVR might give a whole MS/s ;)
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  • [06:37:14] <ka6sox> nite nite mrpackethead
  • [06:37:22] <m_billybob> MH/s
  • [06:37:25] <mrpackethead> you passed the test...
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  • [06:37:44] <maxinux> was contemplating moving a raspi project of mine over to it due to extra CPU, but the software issues make that more work than it may be worth for a burning man project
  • [06:37:44] <mrpackethead> maxinux: this doe'snt sound like a homework assignment
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  • [06:37:57] <mrpackethead> ahh, burning man.
  • [06:38:03] <mrpackethead> oh the memorys.
  • [06:38:05] <ka6sox> m_billybob, Eric Holder has your name and number...
  • [06:38:12] <m_billybob> lol
  • [06:38:25] <maxinux> ka6sox: gnu radio, rtlsdr.. qso logging
  • [06:38:46] <ka6sox> for gnu radio..should work fine
  • [06:38:47] <maxinux> mrpackethead: no, not a homework assignment, ive been working a long time ;)
  • [06:38:57] <mrpackethead> Eric might be pretty useful on the Ham stuff
  • [06:39:02] <mrpackethead> hes right into that stuff
  • [06:39:16] <m_billybob> Eric would fit in perfect aroudn here. as dog food
  • [06:39:22] <ka6sox> maxinux, I"m interested in freeDV
  • [06:39:31] <mrpackethead> Eric = emeb_mac
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  • [06:39:34] <ka6sox> its a bit of a stretch but doable I think
  • [06:39:42] <m_billybob> Eric holder ?
  • [06:39:42] <maxinux> ka6sox: nothing im trying to do _wont_ work, just a matter of software taking longer to setup than I had hoped for... but I love gentoo, so im used to being sadistic in my OS choices, just didnt expect BBB to be one
  • [06:40:02] <ka6sox> maxinux, Angstrom is based off of Gentoo...
  • [06:40:08] <ka6sox> but for embedded
  • [06:40:11] <maxinux> ka6sox: would love to see that working
  • [06:40:20] <mrpackethead> maxinux: i was reall dissapointed with the Angrstom build that arrived on my BBB's
  • [06:40:22] <emeb_mac> sometimes eric = emeb.
  • [06:40:27] <ka6sox> maxinux, called OpenEmbedded
  • [06:40:29] <maxinux> ka6sox: uhh hard to say something that is not source compiled and has a package manager is gentoo based anymore :D
  • [06:40:36] <mrpackethead> a *nix o/s that you cant' SSH into
  • [06:40:48] <mrpackethead> or network does'nt work properly
  • [06:40:50] <maxinux> mrpackethead: you mean an iphone? :)
  • [06:40:52] <ka6sox> gotta have *something* to install things
  • [06:40:59] <m_billybob> mrpackethead Eric Holder is an US atorney general or some such lame title. hes a piece of . . . yeah well you get the picture
  • [06:41:04] <ka6sox> evening Eric
  • [06:41:09] <m_billybob> piece of dog food if he shows up in these parts
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  • [06:41:22] <emeb_mac> fortunately, I am not Atty Gen.
  • [06:41:39] <ka6sox> or an Atty or a General either!
  • [06:41:57] <mrpackethead> i'm yet to hear a good reaosn why you would use Angstrom, other than you wanted to use yet another distro.
  • [06:42:14] <emeb_mac> because Angstrom rulez!
  • [06:42:25] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: thats a great reason
  • [06:42:26] <m_billybob> because people must use what they like
  • [06:42:42] <m_billybob> or what the ythink they like
  • [06:42:46] <mrpackethead> or know.
  • [06:42:55] <mrpackethead> and 20 years of messing with debian.
  • [06:43:00] <mrpackethead> means i'm staying with it
  • [06:43:14] <mrpackethead> my young engineers want to make arch work on it
  • [06:43:16] <emeb_mac> I like Angstrom because it fits the HW nicely.
  • [06:43:18] <m_billybob> dont have to convince me i had debian on the bbb before you did :P
  • [06:43:27] <mrpackethead> I like Debian because it fits the HW nicely.
  • [06:43:31] <emeb_mac> Kinda like Dr. Dobbs - running light w/o overbyte.
  • [06:43:55] <m_billybob> mrpackethead jus tkeep in mind all suport for drivers etc will be on angstrom
  • [06:44:12] <m_billybob> so you and I will be doing lots of porting posssibly
  • [06:44:22] <mrpackethead> m_billybob: everything i want to use already works
  • [06:44:35] <mrpackethead> *ethernet port* check
  • [06:44:35] <m_billybob> fwiw, debian / angstrom binaries arent compatible
  • [06:44:42] <mrpackethead> * usb port * check
  • [06:44:51] <mrpackethead> SPI port check
  • [06:45:25] <mrpackethead> already written software and dependancys, check, compile check! Horrah
  • [06:45:28] <mrpackethead> solution!
  • [06:45:32] <mrpackethead> send invoice
  • [06:45:35] <mrpackethead> receive payment
  • [06:45:36] <mrpackethead> pay tax
  • [06:45:39] <mrpackethead> have holiday
  • [06:45:40] <m_billybob> lol
  • [06:46:34] <m_billybob> mrpackethead pretty good for a fancy light switch ;)
  • [06:46:44] <panto> morning
  • [06:46:45] <mrpackethead> yeah yeah
  • [06:46:56] <mrpackethead> todays problem. customer rings up and says..
  • [06:47:01] <mrpackethead> hey we forgot to tell you something
  • [06:47:17] <mrpackethead> the device will be subject to vibration
  • [06:47:21] <mrpackethead> oh, how much
  • [06:47:33] <m_billybob> 40g's ?
  • [06:47:38] <m_billybob> hehehe
  • [06:47:41] <mrpackethead> not that much
  • [06:48:01] <mrpackethead> but enough, that i cna't ignore it.
  • [06:48:03] <emeb_mac> hope you didn't use MLCCs in the audio path. :)
  • [06:48:35] <mrpackethead> lucky that bit is'nt bolted high in teh sky
  • [06:48:45] <mrpackethead> so other than "shunt"
  • [06:48:52] <mrpackethead> whats a nice idea for meauring currnet
  • [06:49:04] <mrpackethead> 0-60A, DC
  • [06:49:16] <m_billybob> mrpackethead ----> mrpackethead-on-phone-to-customer: Ah yes i forgot to tell yo usomething too . .price jus ttripled.
  • [06:49:35] <mrpackethead> this customer almost woud'tn care
  • [06:49:38] <mrpackethead> they are a bit like that
  • [06:49:43] <mrpackethead> we love them
  • [06:49:53] <emeb_mac> hall effect sensor in a toroid around the supply wire?
  • [06:49:55] <mrpackethead> we make more money out of the changes
  • [06:49:59] <mrpackethead> than the project!
  • [06:50:02] <m_billybob> yeah im kidding but sometimes dont you wish you could say somethign like that ?
  • [06:50:31] <mrpackethead> they never see any value in paying for some upfront consultancy to prperly scope the project
  • [06:50:51] <mrpackethead> so, to save $10k, they will spend $80k later
  • [06:50:54] <mrpackethead> its good maths
  • [06:51:00] <m_billybob> for you ;)
  • [06:51:17] <mrpackethead> 70k, is a rounding error on their balance sheet
  • [06:51:24] <m_billybob> heh
  • [06:51:57] <mrpackethead> maxinux: we have somethign you need btw
  • [06:52:00] <mrpackethead> a FPGA cape
  • [06:52:15] <emeb_mac> nobody needs that. :)
  • [06:52:16] <m_billybob> kind of glad im not in your shoes, or any of the ther guys in here who do this for a living
  • [06:52:30] <maxinux> mrpackethead: hah nice
  • [06:52:39] <mrpackethead> just sned us $14 + P/P
  • [06:52:47] <mrpackethead> get your self a soldering iron
  • [06:52:50] <mrpackethead> and join the fun
  • [06:52:59] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: no one needs it
  • [06:53:05] <mrpackethead> but everyone wants one
  • [06:53:06] <emeb_mac> remember to grab the right end.
  • [06:53:26] <m_billybob> solder iron for a FPGA ?
  • [06:53:35] <m_billybob> soldering iron*
  • [06:53:36] <mrpackethead> yes,
  • [06:53:38] <emeb_mac> gotta build the board somehow
  • [06:53:39] <mrpackethead> a soldering iron
  • [06:54:00] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: i cut a stencil today for mine
  • [06:54:14] <m_billybob> not hot air gun or reflow oven ?
  • [06:54:16] <mrpackethead> but i'll hand do the TGQP's
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  • [06:54:21] <mrpackethead> TQFP'
  • [06:54:29] <m_billybob> oh thats different story then
  • [06:54:35] <emeb_mac> drag solder FTW!
  • [06:54:42] <mrpackethead> m_billybob: easy to hand solder a TQFP
  • [06:54:44] <m_billybob> flux for the win
  • [06:55:30] <mrpackethead> I have a Hakko FX-951 and a BC/M tip
  • [06:55:36] <mrpackethead> it does a wonderful job
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  • [06:55:58] <m_billybob> im not a soldering pro, but ive seen youtune hand soldering porn before ;)
  • [06:56:03] <m_billybob> those guys make it look easy
  • [06:56:13] <m_billybob> youtube*
  • [06:56:26] <mrpackethead> I taught some guys to do it at a christmas light maker faire
  • [06:56:30] <mrpackethead> in about 20 minuts
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  • [06:56:33] <mrpackethead> its *not* hard
  • [06:56:44] <mrpackethead> just right tools, right techiqnue
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  • [06:56:50] <m_billybob> yeah i figure i could learn to do it pretty quick
  • [06:56:51] <mrpackethead> lots of flux
  • [06:56:58] <m_billybob> liberal mounts of solder flux
  • [06:57:00] <m_billybob> right
  • [06:57:09] <mrpackethead> and a good supply of IPA
  • [06:57:12] <ka6sox> m_billybob, my yellow nightlights make your name disappear
  • [06:57:19] <ka6sox> p00f
  • [06:57:22] <m_billybob> ?
  • [06:57:57] <m_billybob> ka6sox, what'd i do now ?
  • [06:58:21] <ka6sox> highlighting FTW
  • [06:58:42] <ka6sox> your nick shows up in blue and thats invisible under the yellow LEDs
  • [06:59:10] <ka6sox> just thought you ought to know
  • [06:59:12] <m_billybob> am i somehow highlighting you ? other than when i type your nick ?
  • [06:59:31] * ka6sox is about as clear as mud tonight...
  • [06:59:39] <m_billybob> its probably me
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  • [07:01:04] <m_billybob> ka6sox either way doesnt bother me if it doesnt bother you.
  • [07:01:12] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, I am hoping we don't have to go to a 3.x kernel
  • [07:02:39] <m_billybob> lol along those lines someone on the groups said somethign abotu having a mostly ported 3.2 kernel working for the bbb
  • [07:03:08] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: me too, but I think maybe I'll test it, since I have no idea how to get rid of the bug (besides whining in #beagle in case someone has a solution)
  • [07:03:15] <ka6sox> if you define "mostly working withouth HDMI or eMMC
  • [07:03:19] <m_billybob> I think he/she needed to finish hdmi or something
  • [07:03:32] <m_billybob> hdmi to me is non important
  • [07:03:44] <m_billybob> could live without emmc for a little while
  • [07:03:57] * ka6sox could live without it forever :)
  • [07:04:16] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, I just don't want to have to requalify it is all.
  • [07:04:35] <tasslehoff> ka6sox: ah, medical...
  • [07:04:45] <tasslehoff> I can imagine there are Procedures
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  • [07:06:01] <ka6sox> when they first showed me the product....I thought I'd been transported to Area 51
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  • [07:06:17] <koen> ka6sox: the PRU is very much like the engines in the IXP4xx now that I think of it
  • [07:06:24] <m_billybob> heh again im glad i dotn do this for a living, i spent all day workign on iSCSI, and when i ran into a dead end because of no kernel module for iSCSI( no sd card adapter handy ) I got nfs working instead :P
  • [07:06:34] <ka6sox> koen, yes! I forgot about that.
  • [07:06:34] <koen> ka6sox: I remember Lennert saying they are very generic
  • [07:06:55] <ka6sox> koen, I had forgottten that.
  • [07:06:59] <thurgood> so now I can't tell if xloader isn;t handing off to uboot, or if uboot sipmly isn't running
  • [07:07:08] <koen> the ixp28xx could do line level filtering on 10 gbit ports with those
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  • [07:07:26] <ka6sox> iirc Lennert had a few of those
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  • [07:07:55] <ka6sox> fast but needed NFS storage
  • [07:08:08] <koen> he had a few at his uni job
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  • [07:08:17] <thurgood> I'm leaning towards xloader not handing off :/
  • [07:08:29] <ka6sox> thurgood, have you hooked up a console?
  • [07:08:35] <thurgood> yes
  • [07:08:47] <ka6sox> any u-boot output at all?
  • [07:08:53] <thurgood> nope
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  • [07:09:07] <ka6sox> tried both eMMC and SD?
  • [07:09:32] <thurgood> it's a custom board based off the beagle
  • [07:09:47] <thurgood> but sd
  • [07:09:48] <ka6sox> okay...sorry, no help here ;(
  • [07:10:39] <ka6sox> koen, I'd be happy getting rid of the UIO interface and going to virtio
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  • [07:12:38] <thurgood> koen, do you remember what version of xloader the bb xM used?
  • [07:12:55] <koen> I use u-boot SPL on it :)
  • [07:12:55] <av500> ?
  • [07:13:15] <koen> mainline u-boot should jsut work on xM
  • [07:13:32] <thurgood> hmm, does it work with classic too?
  • [07:13:39] <av500> why not?
  • [07:14:01] <thurgood> dunno, just covering the bases
  • [07:14:19] <ka6sox> Strike 3
  • [07:14:31] <ka6sox> okay I need sleep...
  • [07:14:33] <ka6sox> laters
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  • [07:14:38] <m_billybob> night
  • [07:14:41] <panto> cya ka6sox-away
  • [07:14:46] <panto> got to run some errands
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  • [07:14:52] <panto> cya later
  • [07:15:41] <thurgood> I need sleep too... been working on this for about 20 hours straight.... going blurry eyed
  • [07:16:01] <m_billybob> probably do better after you sleep
  • [07:16:32] <m_billybob> passed my bedtime but im not eve remotely tired yet
  • [07:16:54] * m_billybob tosses on Starship troopers
  • [07:17:15] <rbarris> medic !!
  • [07:17:23] <m_billybob> lol yeah
  • [07:17:40] <rbarris> it's an evil planet! ... a *bug* planet.
  • [07:17:51] <m_billybob> put you hand on that WALL trooper !
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  • [07:40:01] <kelvinji> tps65217 1-0024: Failed to read revision register: -121
  • [07:43:35] <shoragan> koen, do you know if anyone outside of TI knows how to use the am335x band-gap temperature sensor?
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  • [07:44:48] <shoragan> in http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_Thermal_Chamber_Experiment they seem to have used it for measurements
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  • [08:08:50] <tasslehoff> koen: is there an online builder that builds packages for angstrom? want to check if libgles-omap3 is broken-for-everyone-or-just-me
  • [08:09:07] <av500> narcissus?
  • [08:10:08] <tasslehoff> av500: find out by compiling an image with it, you mean?
  • [08:11:06] <koen> shoragan: no, I was wondering about the same yesterday
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  • [08:12:19] <tasslehoff> koen: trying a build of 'next' with libgles-omap3 now. what is 'next' there?
  • [08:12:35] <tasslehoff> my build fails in do_package/split_and_strip_files
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  • [08:20:01] <koen> 'next' is oe-core master
  • [08:20:19] <av500> what is "stable"?
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  • [08:35:39] <av500> LetoThe2nd: awesome link
  • [08:35:46] <LetoThe2nd> av500: hell yeah.
  • [08:36:22] <LetoThe2nd> av500: just found that little treasure after having a look at LKML again after a longish time.
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  • [08:44:10] <koen> av500: "stable" is the setup-scripts 'master' branch
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  • [08:48:22] <aichiao> hello
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  • [08:52:43] <tasslehoff> hmm. I spy with my little eye a commit that may be relevant for my woes. when musb is compiled as a module (which I do), a different and "not very well tested" fifo mode is apparently used.
  • [08:53:12] <av500> url?
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  • [08:55:01] <KotH> a good, rainy JIHAD morning everyone
  • [08:55:33] <av500> +1
  • [08:55:35] <tasslehoff> av500: http://goo.gl/0Kcl9
  • [08:55:58] <av500> my eyes, they bleed
  • [08:56:02] <tasslehoff> hm, maybe I should do the full one for the logs, or will that one live forever?
  • [08:56:19] <av500> you mean if your clone comes along?
  • [08:56:23] <av500> and has musb issues?
  • [08:56:29] <av500> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c?id=ee34e51a7458ba59af65d1b0eb9c7fa9d19a7586
  • [08:56:34] <tasslehoff> something like that
  • [08:56:48] <tasslehoff> I think I'm a clone now, there's always two of me just hanging around
  • [08:56:56] <koen> tasslehoff: iirc you need mode 5 or mode 6
  • [08:56:58] <koen> I forget the details
  • [08:57:12] <koen> I suspect you need a large EP for the smsc
  • [08:57:15] <tasslehoff> koen: that commit would have given me mode 6
  • [08:57:26] <koen> you can set it on the cmdline
  • [08:57:40] <tasslehoff> sysfs?
  • [08:57:46] <tasslehoff> gah
  • [08:57:47] <tasslehoff> sorry
  • [08:58:33] <koen> musb_hdrc.fifo_mode
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  • [09:00:17] <av500> tasslehoff: on your product, put a selector
  • [09:00:25] <av500> with modes up to 11
  • [09:00:28] <av500> future proof
  • [09:00:44] <av500> customers love to tweak modes
  • [09:01:31] <tasslehoff> I'll check with hw if we can add a dial on the box
  • [09:01:45] <Shadyman> av500: There's a relevant and highly inappropriate meme that fits that statement PERFECTLY.
  • [09:02:02] <tasslehoff> now I need to find out what that fifo mode actually is.
  • [09:02:37] <av500> tasslehoff: probably unused
  • [09:02:50] <av500> hardcoded to 4 somewhere also do to another ifdef hell
  • [09:02:55] <av500> somewhere else
  • [09:03:07] <Shadyman> Well crap. Looks like someone hacked memegenerator.net? http://www.memegenerator.net/
  • [09:03:25] <Shadyman> ah, no www.
  • [09:03:40] <av500> they hacked the www?
  • [09:03:52] <Shadyman> apparently?
  • [09:04:04] <Shadyman> or they never used teh www to begin with
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  • [09:04:14] <Shadyman> beats me, it doesn't look like a userlist or anything
  • [09:04:18] * Shadyman headscratches.
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  • [09:04:52] <tasslehoff> koen: are you sure (about 5 or 6)? the patch gives me 4 instead of 2.
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  • [09:05:01] <tasslehoff> still don't know what the numbers mean :)
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  • [09:05:35] <Shadyman> av500: looks like it' fixed now
  • [09:05:43] <Shadyman> and looked like someone's DB class homework :p
  • [09:05:48] <koen> tasslehoff: it's about endpoint size allocation
  • [09:06:02] <koen> tasslehoff: 5 and 6 give more space to ep0 and ep1 (again, iirc)
  • [09:06:12] <tasslehoff> koen: ouch, and the smsc is hungry like the beast
  • [09:06:48] <av500> there are these nice SPI network chips
  • [09:07:06] <koen> tasslehoff: for beagle we used '5', but e.g. the usb sniffer project needed '6'
  • [09:07:34] <koen> tasslehoff: it depends on your application, one fifomode works for X but breaks Y
  • [09:08:19] <koen> there's a TI chip with MUSB in one of the Fritz! routers
  • [09:08:31] <kelvinji> tps65217 1-0024: Failed to read revision register: -121
  • [09:08:49] <koen> weekly shipments from germany with a note "now this USB devices doesn't work, fix it"
  • [09:08:56] <kelvinji> Any idea or anyone encountered the same problem?
  • [09:09:14] <kelvinji> the i2c worked fine
  • [09:09:37] <kelvinji> but read the tps65217 register failed
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  • [09:18:08] <cellardoor> Hi. I put Arch Linux on my BBBlack last night, and this morning I went to try out that "flash the USR LED" script... except I can't because I've wiped all the default software. Also, a quick Google doesn't turn up much for GPIO and Arch.. Where do I start, and can I make the little onboard blue LED's flash somehow in Arch?
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  • [09:19:59] <av500> koen: lol
  • [09:20:09] <av500> koen: we used to ship monthly to TI Israel
  • [09:20:20] <av500> batching in in monthly was easier for the shipping
  • [09:21:00] <LetoThe2nd> av500: you are bathing monthly? ;)
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  • [09:21:39] <av500> yes, when my monthly bath salt shipment artrives
  • [09:23:15] <LetoThe2nd> strange, i always thought you also would prefer water, not salt.
  • [09:23:25] * LetoThe2nd goes take a sand bath
  • [09:23:43] <tasslehoff> the commit message says "prevent everybody from using fifo_mode 2.". I take that as a sign that I should stop too :)
  • [09:23:46] <av500> take a sand blast
  • [09:24:13] <LetoThe2nd> hey, leave my dental hygiene out of this!
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  • [09:30:47] <av500> le sigh: http://pastebin.com/f5RM4Dtf
  • [09:30:50] <av500> LetoThe2nd: ^^^
  • [09:32:03] <kfoltman> av500: can you design a home theather PCB for me? ;P
  • [09:32:42] <LetoThe2nd> av500: was that #hometheatern00bs or what?
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  • [09:35:07] <jackmitchell> cellardoor: it should be the same
  • [09:35:27] <jackmitchell> cellardoor: gpio control is specific to linux, not distro
  • [09:36:05] <jackmitchell> cellardoor: however, if you are trying to use the bonescript libraries, then they are loaded on the angstrom distro
  • [09:36:27] <jackmitchell> cellardoor: in which case, follow this guide to re-flash Angstrom: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
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  • [09:42:29] <av500> LetoThe2nd: linux-omap
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  • [09:42:49] <LetoThe2nd> OMG
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  • [09:53:03] <cellardoor> jackmitchell: thank you for the reply! I wanted to stick with Arch because frankly, I love it. Guess I will have to skip Bonescript libraries and get a cape or something and play with boards :)
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  • [09:54:57] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: stupidity prevails
  • [09:55:16] <tasslehoff> av500: I seldom visit #linux-omap, but that made todays visit worth it.
  • [09:55:19] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: thats for sure.
  • [09:55:23] <jackmitchell> cellardoor: there is nothing stopping you playing with the GPIO's in Arch, you will just have to use the Linux interfaces directly, rather than Javascript libraries. Plenty of information on google, search for BeagleBone GPIO sysfs
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  • [09:58:55] <Nemo_> hi, can i ask here about my problem with beaglebord xM?
  • [09:59:18] <KotH> i think you should be able to do that. at least you just showed us that you are able to ask questions
  • [09:59:20] <jackmitchell> Nemo_: sorry, you just used your one free question
  • [09:59:37] <jackmitchell> Nemo_: but, seriously, just ask
  • [10:00:00] <cellardoor> jackmitchell: ta muchly!
  • [10:00:19] <av500> Nemo_: ask away comrade
  • [10:00:21] * dm8tbr resets the free question counter for Nemo_ - one more free question for you
  • [10:03:25] <Nemo_> i'm begginer in that. i do "opkg update", then "opkg upgrade". When it finished beaglebord cannot shutdow. When i choose shutdown beaglebor restarting
  • [10:03:46] <Nemo_> and sorry for my english =)
  • [10:07:30] <Nemo_> maybe you know what is wrong?
  • [10:07:52] <av500> did it shutdown before?
  • [10:08:04] <av500> before you did opkg upgrade?
  • [10:08:12] <Nemo_> yes
  • [10:08:15] <av500> there are versions of the BBB where upgrade breaks
  • [10:08:21] <av500> best is to reflash a newer version
  • [10:08:58] <av500> I wish beagleboard.org would link to the latest flasher in <blink>RED</blink>
  • [10:09:18] <jackmitchell> av500: I think he has a BB xM
  • [10:09:19] <dm8tbr> don't forget <marquee>
  • [10:09:37] <av500> ah XM
  • [10:09:44] <av500> well, same
  • [10:09:48] <jackmitchell> of which I know nothing about, so I can't add anything else useful :)
  • [10:09:49] <Nemo_> yes it's BB xM
  • [10:10:00] <av500> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [10:10:11] <av500> Nemo_: not much we can do other than give you the lastest image
  • [10:10:23] <av500> finding out what exactly went wrong is hard
  • [10:10:33] <av500> also, dont upgrade if you dont have the need to
  • [10:11:47] <Nemo_> ok, maybe you can give any manual how i did it?
  • [10:13:06] <Nemo_> i did opkg upgrade because git can't installed, i think that upgrade help
  • [10:13:56] <av500> okpg install git did not work?
  • [10:14:09] <av500> Nemo_: please start from the latest image given above
  • [10:14:52] <Nemo_> yes, not work
  • [10:15:13] <Nemo_> it bad?
  • [10:16:20] <av500> bad?
  • [10:16:34] <av500> please install the latest image
  • [10:16:38] <av500> then try to install git
  • [10:16:43] <av500> opkg update
  • [10:16:45] <av500> opkg list
  • [10:16:50] <jackmitchell> Nemo_: I agree with av500, install the latest image, then try update install git
  • [10:16:51] <av500> git should be listed
  • [10:17:45] <Nemo_> ok i try, thanks for help. where i can find manual for install the latest image?
  • [10:18:24] <av500> just write it to an sd card
  • [10:20:47] <av500> Nemo_: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [10:20:50] <dm8tbr> don't forget to gunzip first
  • [10:21:08] <av500> ah no
  • [10:21:10] <av500> wrong ones
  • [10:21:36] <Nemo_> i downloading http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beagleboard/Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz
  • [10:22:07] <Nemo_> it's right?
  • [10:22:23] <koen> give http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/Angstrom-systemd-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beagleboard-2013.05.08.img.xz a try
  • [10:22:23] <av500> yes
  • [10:22:32] <av500> or that
  • [10:22:34] <koen> 'opkg update ; opkg install git' should work on that
  • [10:23:06] <av500> Nemo_: you know how to copy the image?
  • [10:23:22] <Nemo_> not shure
  • [10:23:34] <av500> xz -d <image>
  • [10:23:38] <av500> to uncompress
  • [10:24:04] <av500> then dd if=<image> of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
  • [10:24:13] <av500> sdX is your sdcard
  • [10:24:20] <av500> sdb sdc or whatever you have
  • [10:24:29] <av500> mayke sure its not your hard drive
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  • [10:28:36] <Nemo_> Do i understand correctly: i hard shutdown the beagleboar, copy on sd image in PC. Then turn on beagleboard adn write commands, which you write?
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  • [10:29:30] <dm8tbr> no, those are commands for your pc...
  • [10:30:05] <Nemo_> =) ok, i try google how do it =)
  • [10:30:25] <av500> shutdown
  • [10:30:27] <Nemo_> on my PC win7
  • [10:30:28] <av500> remove card
  • [10:30:29] <Nemo_> =)
  • [10:30:30] <av500> ah
  • [10:30:34] <av500> then you need some image writer
  • [10:30:36] <av500> google it
  • [10:30:39] <av500> ubuntu has one or so
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  • [10:31:33] <dm8tbr> the important bit is to uncompress the image before writing
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  • [10:33:16] <koen> 7zip can decompress .xz files
  • [10:33:31] <WanaGo> Hello. Can someone tell me how many posts are required before each post doesnt have to be moderated and approved before appearing on the beagleboard.org community board?
  • [10:33:38] <Nemo_> ok, i uncompress image, which i download, on sd and that's all? after tah beagleboar work as new?
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  • [10:34:51] <dm8tbr> Nemo_: you have to use an 'image writer' to write it to the sd card, but yes, then it will just work
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  • [10:36:56] <Nemo_> ok, thanks for help - i will try
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  • [10:52:26] <koen> tasslehoff: did switching to mode 4/5/6 help?
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  • [10:53:33] <tasslehoff> koen: I'm working at home, but a colleague have changed the cmdline and started reboot testing on 6 systems. Won't know for sure if it helped until tomorrow. If none of them have crashed then, it helped :)
  • [10:53:50] <tasslehoff> koen: trying with mode 4 first.
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  • [11:14:14] <av500> beware greeks bearing gifts
  • [11:14:30] <panto> what did we do again?
  • [11:14:36] <av500> nothing
  • [11:14:40] <mru> yet
  • [11:14:48] <panto> are you sure? we're always up to no good
  • [11:15:13] <mru> I guess he meant today
  • [11:15:31] <panto> ah, ok then
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  • [11:20:44] <cellardoor> Hi again. I'm still enjoying my Arch, but when I plug in USB sticks they are not being recognised, nothing in sudo fdisk -l or lsusb. Doing somethign noobish again?
  • [11:21:40] <dm8tbr> check dmesg?
  • [11:24:43] <cellardoor> dm8tbr: I have, nothing there
  • [11:25:11] <panto> last kernel push had a fix for usb hotplug
  • [11:25:13] <panto> do you have it?
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  • [11:26:02] <av500> zypper sudo apt get opkg install upgrade --nodeps
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  • [11:34:58] <jackmitchell> cellardoor: what kernel does archlinux arm run? I doubt it will be the very latest, you may need to wait for an update or re-build yourself; I'm sure they have a PKGBUILD you can tweak to get the latest
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  • [11:41:21] <mru> I'd assume the userspace can run on any kernel
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  • [12:01:21] <mastiff_> cellardoor, try powering down and booting with the USB stick and see if it's recognized.
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  • [12:06:14] <thurgood> in order to skip xloader and boot from u=boot, does it need to be named something diffeerent?
  • [12:06:25] <mru> hm?
  • [12:06:26] <av500> ???
  • [12:06:34] <av500> name it MLO
  • [12:06:40] <av500> rom code boots nothing else
  • [12:06:43] <av500> from FAT
  • [12:06:46] <mru> it has to meet the size constraints though
  • [12:06:58] <mru> that's why the two-stage thing is there in the first place
  • [12:07:45] <av500> if I ever write ROM code, I will only make it boot files called "something different"
  • [12:07:46] <thurgood> hmm, koen was suggesting I do that last night..what is the size constraint?
  • [12:08:01] <av500> 54
  • [12:08:10] <mru> if you don't need all the bells and whistles of u-boot, you can build it in "falcon mode"
  • [12:08:11] <thurgood> lol
  • [12:08:25] <av500> not sure what base though
  • [12:08:26] <mru> this loads the kernel directly from spl (mlo)
  • [12:08:45] <av500> and finishes the Kessel run first
  • [12:10:13] <koen> 32k or something
  • [12:10:15] * koen forgets
  • [12:10:21] <koen> every TI socs changes sram size
  • [12:10:24] <mru> sounds likely
  • [12:10:39] <koen> some of them have 64k available
  • [12:10:51] <mru> mlo still needs some working space
  • [12:10:57] <mru> so you can't use it all for the code
  • [12:11:06] <koen> you can have a much larger "MLO" if you use if you use the config header
  • [12:11:10] <koen> but that's cheating
  • [12:11:13] <av500> mru: you can
  • [12:11:20] <av500> if you make it enable sdram first
  • [12:11:25] <av500> then copy itself there
  • [12:11:28] * koen can't write a normal sentence today
  • [12:11:33] <mru> av500: does u-boot spl do that?
  • [12:11:36] <av500> should work with only register access
  • [12:11:44] <av500> mru: no, but you said MLO
  • [12:11:53] <mru> gah
  • [12:11:56] <av500> :)
  • [12:12:35] <av500> I??m talking about the HRM, the hypothetical reference MLO
  • [12:12:38] <av500> I'm
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  • [12:31:35] <georgem> Kernel Oops isn't a good way to start the day. What have I screwed up now...
  • [12:32:14] <av500> all of it
  • [12:32:27] <georgem> yes, probably
  • [12:32:37] <georgem> delete it and start over with Windows CE instead
  • [12:32:44] <av500> yes
  • [12:33:08] <av500> it will run your c# apps much better
  • [12:33:27] <av500> also, did you consider using ubuntu?
  • [12:33:37] <panto> I heard unity is excellent
  • [12:33:48] <panto> not heavy at all
  • [12:33:53] <panto> just a tad
  • [12:33:56] <mru> trolls are out in full force today
  • [12:34:43] <georgem> hehe
  • [12:35:05] <av500> mru: with the holiday tomorrow, we need to work twice as hard today
  • [12:35:21] <mru> holiday tomorrow?
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  • [12:35:24] <mru> trolliday?
  • [12:35:26] <av500> yes
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  • [12:35:48] <av500> "dead man on the cross meets the tooth fairy day" or so
  • [12:36:52] <georgem> must be systemd and all this new high high fahlootin' linux stuff. Lets port AT&T unix to ARM instead :P
  • [12:37:06] <av500> +1
  • [12:37:22] <av500> or the original klingon version
  • [12:37:43] <av500> where the only signal available was "kill"
  • [12:37:53] <LetoThe2nd> with shakespeare citations as error messages.
  • [12:38:37] <georgem> maybe the klingon version introduced killall?
  • [12:38:47] <mru> LetoThe2nd: EHORSE?
  • [12:39:07] <LetoThe2nd> ENOTTOBE
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  • [12:39:33] <mru> ESPOT
  • [12:40:02] <mru> and of course, ECAULDRON
  • [12:40:05] <LetoThe2nd> EMACBETH :)
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  • [12:41:26] <panto> -ENOKINGDOMORHORSE?
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  • [12:46:42] <SpeedEvil> -EMOREPOWERFULTHANYOUCOULDPOSSIBLYIMAGINE
  • [12:46:45] <Guser> fiola, you there?
  • [12:47:50] <fiola> Yup.
  • [12:48:18] <georgem> Anyone happen to notice new versions of polkit require mozilla javascript libjs. *sigh*
  • [12:48:27] <Guser> did you write up about those kernel modules needed for the USB network? I think I'll do that now if you havn't
  • [12:49:07] <fiola> Not had a chance, no. It was just the 3 I listed I think, unless you found more
  • [12:49:59] <Guser> I found one more I needed. quite tricky too. I added to many modules at the beggining and they can colide. I'll write a short wiki
  • [12:50:06] <Guser> *too
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  • [12:50:41] <fiola> Oh, not come across any such issues. Yeah, you'd better do it then.
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  • [12:57:56] <panto> lunch
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  • [13:19:21] <KotH> panto: already?
  • [13:19:35] <mru> morning KotH
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  • [13:19:50] <KotH> moin mru
  • [13:19:53] <KotH> did you sleep well?
  • [13:20:11] <mru> probably, I don't remember
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  • [13:20:36] <KotH> you shouldnt drink that much, right after waking up
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  • [13:29:55] <cmicali> anyone else see 3-5 second freezes on their BBB?
  • [13:29:58] <cmicali> i don't see anything in the logs
  • [13:30:11] <cmicali> but every few minutes, my terminal session freezes for up to 4-5 seconds
  • [13:30:47] <kfoltman> cmicali: how do you log in, ssh? usb? serial?
  • [13:30:53] <cmicali> kfoltman: ssh
  • [13:30:58] <kfoltman> cmicali: network problem?
  • [13:31:17] <cmicali> kfoltman: maybe? if i have multiple sessions, during the freeze other sessions are not frozen
  • [13:31:19] <kfoltman> cmicali: also, does top say anything interesting? does setting the CPU frequency governor to performance via cpufreq-set change anything?
  • [13:31:34] <cmicali> kfoltman: i changed it to pert, no change, and nothing smoking in top
  • [13:31:51] <cmicali> s/pert/perf
  • [13:32:03] <cmicali> really odd
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  • [13:32:35] <kfoltman> cmicali: does it affect the shell only or everything?
  • [13:32:52] <cmicali> kfoltman: everything running in that session, so any running program gets blocked
  • [13:35:34] <fiola> Run mtr from another host to the BBB and see if the nice regular scan gets blocked or shows packet loss when that occurs, to see if the issue is in kernel or user space. If it's scheduling, should have no effect on mtr's traceroute-like packets.
  • [13:36:26] <cmicali> fiola: good idea, trying
  • [13:38:53] <fiola> If you run mtr on the BBB itself, that might be interesting too, although probably too many variables involved then to conclude anything.
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  • [13:41:37] <fiola> Can't see mtr in opkg list anyway.
  • [13:41:56] <cmicali> so far no loss, but of course now that i'm doing this i'm not seeing the freeze
  • [13:42:00] <kfoltman> maybe something cgroup related, but I've really ran out of ideas
  • [13:42:12] <fiola> cmicali: Haha, sod's law :P
  • [13:42:18] <cmicali> heisenbug
  • [13:42:39] <kfoltman> cmicali: write a small program that will while(1) { print current time with 100 ms precision; wait 100 ms }
  • [13:43:28] <Rickta59> once had a user complain the our application was locking up ... they were pressing some alt + not a menu item key , flew to their location to see this behaviour .. wasted a day
  • [13:43:43] <fiola> That's actually a good idea if you know how to feed it into R or some other stats processing thing. Would be very interesting to see the time scatter.
  • [13:45:00] <Guser> fiola, I wrote the wiki, do you have any idea where I should place it at elinux.org wiki? I cant find a relevant page to paste my troubleshooting tutorial..
  • [13:45:17] <fiola> Guser: woot, you're a star!
  • [13:45:31] <fiola> Dunno, what did you title it?
  • [13:46:02] <Guser> Troubleshooting "USB networking not available (192.168.7.2 not accessible)"
  • [13:46:13] <Guser> ^ catchy name ;)
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  • [13:46:24] <fiola> Haha
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  • [13:46:34] <panto> cmicali, root on mmc?
  • [13:46:40] <cmicali> panto: yup
  • [13:47:12] <kfoltman> the interesting bit is that it stalls a specific session, not all of them at the same time
  • [13:47:16] <cmicali> panto: is that expected?
  • [13:47:40] <panto> I think that's systemd journal
  • [13:47:47] <panto> try to do a top
  • [13:48:12] <fiola> Guser: Your page could be made into a more general help page about USB networking, instead of a specific troubleshooting page, if you simple titled it "BBB USB Networking", or something like that.
  • [13:48:23] <fiola> simply*
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  • [13:48:47] <cmicali> panto: systems-journal is near the top on total cputime, but it's not huge
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  • [13:49:04] * jkridner suggests spelling out BeagleBoneBlack
  • [13:49:14] <panto> try to see if it spikes when the stutter happens
  • [13:49:17] <Guser> Will do. I'll add reference at the main beaglebone page then
  • [13:49:18] <beagle1> my beagleboard rev.c3 is getting heated up as soon as powered up and not booting at all..
  • [13:49:28] <beagle1> any suggestion?
  • [13:50:04] <cmicali> panto: if it does, any recommendations? make it journal to tmpfs?
  • [13:50:18] <beagle1> i need help
  • [13:50:28] <panto> cmicali, probably
  • [13:50:29] <jkridner> beagle1: have you reimaged it?
  • [13:50:34] <fiola> jkridner: Oh, yeah, definitely better. Abbreviations shouldn't really be in page names, instead one should create redirects from the abbreviations to the full name. Well spotted.
  • [13:50:46] <panto> there are things to do to make the build more embedded friendly
  • [13:50:50] <beagle1> no
  • [13:51:05] <panto> but they might interfere with what a normal linux distro user expects
  • [13:51:07] <Crofton> I am lookinga at a slide using vlc to send video ove hte air via gnuradio
  • [13:51:19] <kfoltman> what's the point of journal on tmpfs?
  • [13:51:23] <mru> wtf
  • [13:51:30] <jkridner> beagle1: do you have a windows or other host?
  • [13:51:41] <jkridner> beagle1: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoard#BeagleBoard_Rev_C4.2FC5_Reflashing_Procedure is the procedure for reimaging.
  • [13:51:42] <kfoltman> wouldn't you get the same just switching journaling off?
  • [13:51:45] <beagle1> <jkridner>when i tried to interface with gpio smething happened and a burnt smell came..as soon as i smelt it i switched it off
  • [13:52:06] <beagle1> now if i power it up,it is getting heated up
  • [13:52:14] <cmicali> kfoltman: i suppose so you can at least inspect the journal while it's running
  • [13:52:35] <kfoltman> cmicali: journal as in systemd journal, not filesystem journal?
  • [13:52:44] <beagle1> i am using ubuntu
  • [13:52:44] <cmicali> kfoltman: yeah, systems journal (terrible name)
  • [13:52:49] <jkridner> beagle1: yikes. could be fried. http://beagleboard.org/support/rma <-- though if it is fried by user error, you might need to pay for all repairs.
  • [13:52:50] <cmicali> s/systems/systemd
  • [13:52:55] <kfoltman> terrible systemd ;)
  • [13:53:06] <jkridner> beagle1: could be cheaper to replace.
  • [13:53:08] <panto> I'm not that crazy about it either
  • [13:53:30] <beagle1> so i have to replace the whole board?
  • [13:53:34] <cmicali> this is my first exposure to it, i'm not loving it
  • [13:53:54] <jkridner> beagle1: the RMA guys can repair just what fried.... but that could be as expensive.
  • [13:54:06] <jkridner> +shipping
  • [13:54:07] <cmicali> but init really needed an upgrade
  • [13:54:07] <fiola> That's the great thing about BBB, at that price we can fry them with abandon and returns for repair would be pointless :P
  • [13:54:14] <beagle1> ok
  • [13:54:16] <beagle1> so what is its present cost if i need to replace
  • [13:54:19] <beagle1> ?
  • [13:54:29] <jkridner> $125 for BeagleBoard at most places.
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  • [13:54:44] <jkridner> $45 is the BeagleBone Black price at most places.
  • [13:54:54] * jkridner sees them show up on Amazon at $42 frequently.
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  • [13:55:35] <jkridner> but, it misses the DSP... otherwise better pretty much all around. Software not the same though.
  • [13:56:26] <fiola> jkridner: similar in UK, the net price of BBB is quoted in some places as less than the $45 to sterling conversion.
  • [13:56:38] <fiola> Although we have the dreaded VAT :-(
  • [13:56:43] <jkridner> :(
  • [13:58:14] <mdp> heh
  • [14:01:41] <KotH> .o0(jihad)
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  • [14:02:41] <Guser> fiola: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Usb_Networking
  • [14:03:32] <fiola> Guser: great! (reading)
  • [14:05:47] <fiola> Excellent, except for using "ifconfig", lol. Really really don't want to encourage continued use of that :P
  • [14:06:02] <fiola> ip addr ls
  • [14:06:10] <Humpelstilzchen> ifconfig is easier
  • [14:06:30] <Humpelstilzchen> much easier
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  • [14:07:20] <ogra_> ++
  • [14:07:22] <fiola> Humpelstilzchen: It's broken and will never work with IPv6, and is being deprecated everywhere. So "easier" is kind of academic. It won't exist at all in due course.
  • [14:07:54] <fiola> So encouraging people to use the broken utility instead of getting used to its successor is bad practice.
  • [14:08:01] <mru> _nothing_ is easier with ifconfig
  • [14:08:03] <Humpelstilzchen> fiola: ifconfig does the job of displaying the ipv6 addr for me
  • [14:08:17] <mru> so does ip addr
  • [14:08:20] <Humpelstilzchen> srsly no ones wants to type 3 words only to get an ip address
  • [14:08:23] <Jacmet> fiola: I doubt it will disappear soon, we still carry around /bin/ed nowadays
  • [14:08:34] <fiola> And so does iproute2
  • [14:09:00] <Guser> lol fiola, I knew you'd say that :) fixing it now
  • [14:09:04] <mru> 'ip addr' is shorter than 'ifconfig'
  • [14:09:16] <ynezz> autocomplete doesnt work...
  • [14:09:23] <ynezz> ifc<tab>
  • [14:09:27] <ynezz> :)
  • [14:09:27] <kfoltman> ifco<tab>
  • [14:09:28] <ogra_> ifconfig wont go away for quite a while ... unless all distros fix all possible bits that rely on its output
  • [14:09:44] <Guser> that will take a while ogra
  • [14:09:49] <ogra_> yeah
  • [14:10:04] <fiola> Look, ifconfig is a broken utility. You wanna use it? Fine. But you've been told.
  • [14:10:12] <ynezz> it works for me
  • [14:10:15] <ynezz> (tm)
  • [14:10:28] <ogra_> obsoleting somthing all distros use with lots of weird more or less hackish scripts can take quite long
  • [14:10:36] <Guser> another option is to make ip compatible with the ifconfig syntax and to link ip to ifconfig
  • [14:10:42] <ynezz> then user applications...
  • [14:10:48] <mru> Guser: ugh
  • [14:10:50] <Guser> lol
  • [14:10:56] <mru> the ifconfig syntax is _broken_
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  • [14:11:21] <Guser> it grew on me quite nicely over the years
  • [14:11:22] <ogra_> ln -s /bin/sh /bin/cmd.exe
  • [14:11:24] <ogra_> :P
  • [14:11:38] <Guser> ogra_: eww
  • [14:11:40] <ogra_> so your syntax is more familiar
  • [14:11:41] <ynezz> well, cmd is broken
  • [14:13:05] <Guser> fixed
  • [14:13:06] <fiola> We've all grown accustomed to ifconfig, and yes, it's painful to relearn something that entered muscle memory. But you need to do it, and far better earlier than later because iproute2 is so much more poowerful, as well as elegant. You'll never look back once you know it. And conversely, by not knowing it, you'll never look forward and be able to do the new things it can do.
  • [14:13:14] <KotH> ogra_: ip has been around for >10 years
  • [14:13:15] <fiola> So it's to your benefit to relearn.
  • [14:13:39] <ogra_> KotH, yeah, and i use itt frequently ... but that doesnt fix the distros
  • [14:13:42] <KotH> ogra_: maybe even >14y
  • [14:13:54] <KotH> ogra_: you cant fix people
  • [14:14:08] <ogra_> as long as scripts and tools make use of ifconfig it wont go away
  • [14:14:08] <KotH> ogra_: unles you use a lot of fast traveling lead
  • [14:14:25] <ogra_> KotH, you can fix distros ... but its a matter of costs
  • [14:14:34] <KotH> cost of what?
  • [14:14:38] <KotH> distros dont cost anything
  • [14:14:44] <ogra_> such a transition needs a lot of manpower ...
  • [14:14:47] <KotH> the good ones don't pay their developers either
  • [14:14:48] <Guser> KotH: are you suggesting we should shoot the script writers who use ifconfig? :-\
  • [14:14:48] <kfoltman> cost of fast traveling lead ;)
  • [14:14:51] <av500> defending ifconfig is like defending sysvinit
  • [14:14:58] <mru> av500: nice
  • [14:15:06] * ogra_ isnt definding ...
  • [14:15:12] <KotH> Guser: it would have an effect on the IQ of the general population
  • [14:15:15] <ogra_> *defending either
  • [14:15:28] <mru> "defind", is that some kind of newspeak for "lose"?
  • [14:15:29] <ogra_> but its unrealistic to think it will go away soon
  • [14:15:43] <mru> so leave it there for old scripts
  • [14:15:49] <fiola> The distros are moving to iproute2, if for no other reason than because ifconfig doesn't work with IPv6. It's completely inevitable, because no networking people want to work with a broken IP utility.
  • [14:15:50] <mru> but don't speak of it
  • [14:15:52] <Humpelstilzchen> av500: You reallywant systemd?
  • [14:15:52] <Guser> KotH: for the worse. on avrage.
  • [14:15:55] <ogra_> thats what everyne does apparently
  • [14:16:20] <ynezz> Humpelstilzchen: word systemd is forbidden here, now please leave the building
  • [14:16:24] <ogra_> but if it is there anyway, you can as well point users to it (additionally to almost every doc out there in the wild)
  • [14:16:31] <mru> NO
  • [14:16:42] <ogra_> Humpelstilzchen, there are a lot other init systems
  • [14:16:43] <mru> new users should be taught the right way
  • [14:16:50] <fiola> mru++
  • [14:16:52] <av500> Humpelstilzchen: I dont care, the rcfoo calls still work :)
  • [14:16:54] <ogra_> mru, then fix the internet
  • [14:17:02] <av500> 386
  • [14:17:04] <ogra_> or stop pointing people with questions to google
  • [14:17:08] <Humpelstilzchen> ogra_: but there is udev..
  • [14:17:22] <ogra_> what does udev have to do with init ?
  • [14:17:23] <Guser> I agree
  • [14:17:32] <mru> gets() is still in the C standard, but we don't tell people to use that
  • [14:17:39] <av500> not?
  • [14:17:45] <ynezz> I use only that
  • [14:17:59] <Guser> I will use my broken ifconfig 'till it will work no more. let me be. teach the young ones this new spell called "ip" if you like, that doesn't bother me.
  • [14:18:25] * KotH bothers Guser
  • [14:18:28] <mru> ogra_: systemd ate udev
  • [14:18:34] <Humpelstilzchen> ogra_: The fear is that since udev is now part of systemd is that it will rely on it
  • [14:18:38] <ogra_> mru, it didnt :)
  • [14:18:40] * Guser is bothered
  • [14:18:44] <mru> Guser: I'm saying ifconfig _already_ doesn't work
  • [14:18:53] <Guser> mru: works great for me
  • [14:18:55] <KotH> Humpelstilzchen: udev already relies on systemd
  • [14:18:56] <mru> it can't do ipv6
  • [14:19:02] <mru> it can't do multiple addresses per interface
  • [14:19:09] <ynezz> it can
  • [14:19:10] <Guser> mru: who needs ipv6? i dont even have it compiled in my kernel
  • [14:19:14] <mru> it can't do proper routing
  • [14:19:15] <ynezz> ifconfig eth0:1 works
  • [14:19:17] <ynezz> :p
  • [14:19:18] <Humpelstilzchen> KotH: I use debian..I'm a little behind
  • [14:19:24] <mru> ynezz: that's fundamentally flawed
  • [14:19:35] <ynezz> but works, so I don't care
  • [14:19:35] <KotH> Humpelstilzchen: i wonder what debian will do now the freeze is over
  • [14:19:36] <Guser> mru: there's route for that
  • [14:19:44] <mru> Guser: it's equally broken
  • [14:19:50] <mru> iproute2 is structured the way actual networks are
  • [14:19:56] <Guser> mru: again, works great for me
  • [14:20:00] <KotH> Humpelstilzchen: whatever debian chooses, it will decide wether systemd will survive or not
  • [14:20:05] <av500> mru: you mean wires everywhere?
  • [14:20:13] <av500> KotH: lol
  • [14:20:17] <ogra_> mru, just because systemds tree swallowed udevs .that doesnt mean systemd swallowed udev :)
  • [14:20:29] <mru> oh but it did
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  • [14:20:41] <ogra_> else gentoo, debian and ubuntu would not work anymore :)
  • [14:20:47] <mru> I'm still using udev-171
  • [14:20:49] <av500> KotH: its too late for that
  • [14:20:51] <mru> the later ones don't work
  • [14:20:57] <fiola> Guser: Do you realize that you have only a partial view of the Internet then? Because other regions of the world ran out of IPv4 addresses a while back, and all new allocations are being made on IPv6. So, you are progressively seeing a smaller and smaller fraction of the net.
  • [14:21:01] <Guser> i love how 'ifconfig' starts an argument in any linux community... such a vibrant discussion!
  • [14:21:25] <av500> fiola: you mean I clock on links on the web and they dont work?
  • [14:21:29] <av500> I click*
  • [14:21:31] <KotH> av500: think about it: when debian decides systemd is no good, they will choose soemthing else. and suddenly most of the linux users (debian+ubuntu) are using something else.... a couple of years down the roead fedora and suse will follow the lead
  • [14:21:39] <kfoltman> fiola: so IPv4 is a way of fighting the eternal September? (-:
  • [14:21:47] <av500> +1
  • [14:21:50] <mru> KotH: you overestimate the importance of debian
  • [14:21:53] <av500> +1
  • [14:21:54] <ogra_> mru, udev 202 here ... works fine with upstart
  • [14:22:19] <Humpelstilzchen> KotH: debian maintainers are not happy to maintain a separate udev..
  • [14:22:21] <Guser> fiola: I have yet to find a page or a server that did not support ipv4
  • [14:22:23] <fiola> av500: Not just web, all Internet services.
  • [14:22:24] <KotH> what happend to eudev after the fosdem desaster?
  • [14:22:33] <av500> nothing
  • [14:22:38] <mru> they got bullied into oblivion
  • [14:22:54] <av500> they asked forit
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  • [14:23:01] <KotH> mru: well...their performance was... worse than lennarts
  • [14:23:05] <fiola> Guser: well of course you haven't found a page that's on IPv6 only. You're cut off from them.
  • [14:23:08] <mru> av500: perhaps
  • [14:23:17] <mru> but the bullying started before that
  • [14:23:31] <Guser> fiola: you mean google and such are hiding results on ipv6 addresses from me?
  • [14:23:34] <KotH> mru: they had no clue what they wanted to acheive, didnt know how to get there and left generally a very bad impression
  • [14:23:47] <Humpelstilzchen> 16:23:01 < KotH> mru: well...their performance was... worse than lennarts <--impossible!
  • [14:23:51] <mru> KotH: I know that
  • [14:23:56] <av500> Humpelstilzchen: possible
  • [14:24:02] <mru> they were the wrong people for the task
  • [14:24:04] <av500> I've seen it
  • [14:24:09] <mru> doesn't mean the task itself was wrong
  • [14:24:16] <KotH> mru: definitly not
  • [14:24:31] <mru> this is a case where shooting the messenger would have been the right thing
  • [14:24:41] <KotH> mru: just... they took the spot of others who would have done the right thing.. and now the barrier for forking udev is even higher
  • [14:24:49] * prpplague is now known as prp^2
  • [14:25:01] <mru> now anyone thinking along those lines knows what he'll be up against
  • [14:25:06] <mru> and think again
  • [14:25:08] * KotH takes the square root of prp^2
  • [14:25:08] <fiola> Guser: it returns domain names in searches, and DNS resolves those with whatever info it can. If your system only requests A records because you don't have IPv6, then you'll never receive AAAA records.
  • [14:25:23] * av500 has AAA rating
  • [14:25:31] <fiola> lol
  • [14:25:35] <mru> av500: ipv5?
  • [14:25:42] <av500> ofcourse
  • [14:25:45] <av500> ipav5
  • [14:25:57] <mru> ipa is nice
  • [14:25:57] <KotH> not ipav500?
  • [14:26:00] <ka6sox-away> mourning
  • [14:26:11] * ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox
  • [14:26:13] * KotH mourns with ka6sox-maybehere
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  • [14:26:37] <KotH> ka6sox: how was/is your jihad morning?
  • [14:27:00] <fiola> Anyway, getting seriously off-topic to debate IPv6 here. The point is, ifconfig can't handle it, and that's why it's being deprecated all over. And since BBB runs IPv6 perfectly, the tools you use should work with IPv6 too.
  • [14:27:24] <KotH> fiola: you can't be off topic in #beagle
  • [14:27:28] <fiola> Haha
  • [14:27:31] <Guser> fiola: I know what I'm doing is wrong, and I know it _will_ effect me some day. but for now I'm good with Ifconfig. I do appreciate your efforts to convince me to chance and I probably will pretty soon. teach the young ones, they're the future.
  • [14:27:32] <fiola> I noticed :P
  • [14:27:34] <KotH> fiola: or rather, you cannot be on-topic in #beagle
  • [14:27:43] <Guser> *change
  • [14:27:54] <ka6sox> KotH, its missing chocolate
  • [14:27:58] <av500> KotH: you could ask for serial logs on a BB classic
  • [14:28:04] <av500> that would be ontopic
  • [14:28:06] <fiola> Guser: fair enough :-)
  • [14:28:06] <KotH> ka6sox: well... if you could come over, i could solve that for you
  • [14:28:14] <Guser> offtopic disscutions keep the community going!
  • [14:28:26] <ka6sox> KotH, Wife wants me to!
  • [14:28:34] <KotH> ka6sox: so, what do you wait for?
  • [14:28:43] <ka6sox> October it seems
  • [14:28:44] <mru> av500: remember all the guys who crossed the streams on the classic's serial header?
  • [14:28:44] <Guser> *discussions
  • [14:28:51] <av500> mru: yep
  • [14:29:03] <KotH> crossing streams?
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  • [14:29:12] <KotH> didnt those people watch ghost busters?
  • [14:29:16] <av500> KotH: 1:1 vs nullmodem
  • [14:29:29] <mru> there was more to it than that
  • [14:29:32] <av500> actually it was people on XM that insisted on using nullmodem
  • [14:29:41] <KotH> eh..
  • [14:29:44] <av500> yes, classic was AT vs exerex
  • [14:29:48] * KotH shakes head
  • [14:29:51] <av500> everex or whatever
  • [14:30:00] <ka6sox> the next BBB "Brick" needs serial console log too...
  • [14:30:00] <fiola> Guser: Anyway, excellent page :-))))
  • [14:30:04] <KotH> ka6sox: october is still a long way to go
  • [14:30:06] <av500> two different 10pin serial layouts
  • [14:30:12] <ka6sox> KotH, too lonbg
  • [14:30:20] <ka6sox> er long...(not enough coffee)
  • [14:30:23] <av500> Guser: what page?
  • [14:30:24] <mru> wrong header + null modem resulted in one data line being connected
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  • [14:30:50] <av500> yep
  • [14:30:59] <av500> so people saw logs
  • [14:31:01] <mru> so two wrongs make half a right
  • [14:31:06] <av500> but could not write to it
  • [14:31:18] <Guser> av500: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Usb_Networking
  • [14:31:19] <KotH> meh... i havent done anything usefull the whole day... and now that i have time to do something usefull, i dont feel like doing anything
  • [14:31:27] <Guser> fiola: thank you :)
  • [14:31:46] <koen> KotH: same here
  • [14:31:51] <Guser> I added reference at the beaglebone subpages
  • [14:31:57] <mru> I've done a few possibly useful things, though not what the boss wants
  • [14:31:58] <av500> Guser: why not ifconfig?
  • [14:32:02] <Guser> ROFL
  • [14:32:33] * Guser shrugs
  • [14:32:34] <KotH> koen: shall we go out and have a coffee?
  • [14:32:47] <av500> +1
  • [14:33:42] <koen> KotH: yes!
  • [14:34:11] <KotH> koen: so, jump into a plane and come over! i know a good cafe overhere!
  • [14:34:23] <KotH> http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-29/ <- MUAHAHAHA
  • [14:35:18] <av500> i'll remember that for GSoC mentoring
  • [14:35:36] * mru drives a steak through av500
  • [14:35:53] * kfoltman catches the steak and eats it before it gets to av500... VERY hungry
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  • [14:36:04] <kfoltman> all day on office biscuits :(
  • [14:36:14] <Guser> mru: av500 is just a bunch of digital letters, you cant drive anything though that
  • [14:36:25] * dm8tbr has to make do with subway sandwich catering at this open data presentation
  • [14:36:47] <dm8tbr> Guser: but his video playback capabilities are still superior
  • [14:36:57] <mru> the hotel I was at in berlin was connected to a restaurant serving 60-euro steaks
  • [14:37:01] <mru> I did not eat there
  • [14:37:13] <kfoltman> dm8tbr: maybe we can get him to tell us how to make a home theatre with OMAP ;)
  • [14:37:17] <Guser> mru: why not?
  • [14:37:23] <av500> kfoltman: lol
  • [14:37:30] <mru> 60 euros is a lot of money for a steak in my opinion
  • [14:37:34] <dm8tbr> kfoltman: I believe he did that several times...
  • [14:37:41] <Guser> depends on the steak in my opinion
  • [14:37:48] <KotH> mru: if it is company paid....
  • [14:37:49] <Guser> (still a lot of money)
  • [14:38:00] <mru> KotH: it wasn't
  • [14:38:03] <av500> maybe it's 5" thick
  • [14:38:10] <mru> and I wasn't trying to impress anyone either
  • [14:38:13] <mru> so no point
  • [14:38:43] <dm8tbr> and it might not even have been worth the price
  • [14:38:44] <Guser> hmm, I eat steaks to impress my taste buds. but its your call I guess
  • [14:38:52] <dm8tbr> "schlechtes muss nicht billig sein"
  • [14:39:00] <mru> dm8tbr: it would have to be a _very_ good one
  • [14:39:16] <dm8tbr> hand massaged kobe etc
  • [14:39:20] <panto> mdp, av500, ka6sox, update of the doc: http://hastebin.com/raw/pujatalewe
  • [14:39:22] <Guser> mmmmm
  • [14:39:24] <mru> I saw people eating there, it can't have been all that bad
  • [14:39:54] <Guser> from steaks to configuring rfid antenas. such is the life of the board developer... later!
  • [14:39:58] <ogra_> you clearly need a salary raise
  • [14:39:58] <KotH> mru: i know from experience that a lot of people do not have any sense of taste
  • [14:40:04] <mru> hotel was nice, and apparently it was the same owner
  • [14:40:11] <ogra_> so you stop caring about steak prices
  • [14:40:22] <Guser> ^+1
  • [14:40:28] <mru> tell my boss
  • [14:40:48] <ka6sox> panto, sorry...earthquake here...looking for damage
  • [14:40:49] <KotH> ogra_: the amount of money i would need until i stop caring about steak prices is very high
  • [14:40:56] <panto> ka6sox, wut?
  • [14:40:58] <KotH> ka6sox: how strong?
  • [14:40:59] <mru> the evil man did negatively affect my last raise
  • [14:40:59] <panto> stay safe
  • [14:41:11] <Guser> ka6sox: didn't you have a bushfire too a few days ago? where do you live?
  • [14:41:13] <mdp> it seems like BBB could be applied in some way to this steak-price problem
  • [14:41:22] <KotH> Guser: at the edge of mordor
  • [14:41:23] <ogra_> mru, get a better boss then
  • [14:41:24] <mru> Guser: california of course
  • [14:41:41] <Guser> KotH: still better than here...
  • [14:41:44] <mru> ogra_: I'm slowly working on that
  • [14:41:51] <ogra_> :)
  • [14:42:11] <KotH> Guser: well..
  • [14:42:12] <kfoltman> damn, looks like instead of going home to redo a botched PCB design I'll have to go and eat some steak (10 euro, not 60, though)
  • [14:42:15] <mru> for now, the amount they pay for the amount of work I do is decent
  • [14:42:23] <KotH> Guser: i think .il is more democratic than the us
  • [14:42:25] <mru> it's amazing how little work you can get away with at a company
  • [14:42:27] <KotH> Guser: but not buy much
  • [14:42:48] <KotH> mru: the bigger the company, the less work you have to do
  • [14:43:03] <Guser> KotH: maybe, but we have other issues
  • [14:43:30] <KotH> Guser: yeah.. but at least you dont run around and kill people... at least not worldwide
  • [14:43:50] <Guser> KotH: sometimes... :P
  • [14:44:07] <KotH> Guser: oh..
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  • [14:44:14] <kfoltman> (*) Iranian nuclear scientists not included in the offer
  • [14:44:16] <KotH> Guser: could you send the mosad to kill erdogan? thanks!
  • [14:44:17] <Guser> KotH: but only to retaliate.
  • [14:44:41] <Guser> KotH: meh, I hate that guy so much... dont get me started
  • [14:44:58] <KotH> Guser: "retiliate" can have very different meanings
  • [14:45:00] <ka6sox> Guser, yes...still going
  • [14:45:06] <KotH> Guser: me too.. me too...
  • [14:45:11] <KotH> Guser: and i'm turkish...
  • [14:45:14] <ka6sox> and it was a 4.9 just now...but HERE instead of down south
  • [14:45:32] <KotH> ka6sox: ah.. so not too heavy
  • [14:45:50] <ka6sox> ya it was a shaker...not a roller
  • [14:45:51] <Guser> KotH: I love turkey, been there twice. but not under the current regime.
  • [14:46:10] <KotH> ka6sox: i've had a couple of 5's when i was in .jp.. not all of them were pleasant
  • [14:46:19] <kfoltman> any suggestions for an audio dac, i2s input, min. 48 kHz, preferably DIL?
  • [14:46:20] <Guser> KotH: turkish food... mmmm
  • [14:46:37] <KotH> kfoltman: search in a different universe
  • [14:46:48] <KotH> kfoltman: there aint no dill components of that kind
  • [14:46:55] <Guser> way off topic... anyways, I'm off for now
  • [14:46:59] <KotH> dill... i'm hungry it seems
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  • [14:47:43] <kfoltman> KotH: ok, or at least something that can be soldered at home without superpowers
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  • [14:48:52] <KotH> kfoltman: anything with pins facing outwards is fine
  • [14:49:00] <KotH> kfoltman: and you should be find some qfp stuff
  • [14:49:13] <KotH> kfoltman: just use the power of mouser and digikey
  • [14:50:12] <KotH> koen: i'm leaving now... care to join? :)
  • [14:51:01] <ka6sox> KotH, what kind of Coffee?
  • [14:52:08] <KotH> ka6sox: turkish
  • [14:52:35] <panto> *cough*
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  • [14:53:12] <ka6sox> okay...okay...I'm up...you can stop shaking now.
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  • [14:53:19] <KotH> panto: you can have your greek rip-off if you want...but keep it for yourself!
  • [14:53:49] <ka6sox> I'm having some of Juan Valdez's best.
  • [14:54:04] <KotH> cya later boys!
  • [14:54:15] <ka6sox> happy JIHAD!
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  • [14:59:23] <mastiff_> Where to look for programming BBB GPIO in C? Found a few youtube vids.
  • [15:00:57] <av500> yeah
  • [15:01:07] <av500> YT is the fitst choice for all programming questions
  • [15:01:10] <av500> first
  • [15:01:33] <mru> second is wikipedia
  • [15:02:01] <jackmitchell> ah man, can someone write an out of date blog post answering this question so I can just paste it every 10 minutes
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  • [15:03:19] <mastiff_> There are a few threads on the forum but didn't see much. One of the links was busted.
  • [15:03:22] <jackmitchell> mastiff_: http://www.auctoris.co.uk/2012/08/23/gpio-with-sysfs-on-raspberry-pi-part-2/ should be fairly similar to the BBB
  • [15:04:07] <jackmitchell> it's literally opening and closing files and writing files in C, that's all there is too it
  • [15:04:38] <Rickta59> what kind of toggling speed might you get out of that?
  • [15:05:00] <jackmitchell> few hundred hz if you're lucky#
  • [15:05:04] <panto> please don't do that then
  • [15:05:28] <panto> write a driver if you have to toggle GPIOs fast
  • [15:05:29] <Rickta59> didn't seem to useful to me other than for slow relay type thing
  • [15:05:56] <jackmitchell> it's useful for toggling I/O on the fly, not for writing device drivers really
  • [15:05:57] <Rickta59> it was just a question not a statement i was going to use it
  • [15:06:26] <Rickta59> i assumed to do anything real you need to write a driver or use PRU
  • [15:06:51] <mdp> "The userspace API is not recommended for applications with low latency requirements."
  • [15:06:52] <jackmitchell> yeah kind of, it all depends how complex and the latency required
  • [15:06:58] <mastiff_> I was looking for C alternative to using the bonescript stuff for simple arduino type tasks.
  • [15:07:23] * mdp attempts to write a categorical statement about gpio sysfs api
  • [15:07:29] <Rickta59> arduino covers a wide range mastiff_
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  • [15:08:01] <mdp> Rickta59, high latency applications are "real"
  • [15:08:09] <panto> oh yeah
  • [15:08:32] <panto> most of the simple IO apps are well served with that 'slow' API
  • [15:08:33] <av500> between PRU and using write and read is a wide field
  • [15:08:35] <mru> they can even be realtime
  • [15:08:42] <Rickta59> sorry .. i'm thinking about how i would use a BBB to drive a ws2811 .. using read/write on a file system didn't seem like it would make it real
  • [15:09:03] <panto> Rickta59, there are hardware SPI blocks that go really really fast
  • [15:09:23] <Rickta59> can you drive them so they don't have lapses in the data from user space?
  • [15:09:28] <av500> Rickta59: yeah ws2811 is a PRU thing
  • [15:09:34] <av500> or maybe SPI
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  • [15:09:40] <Rickta59> or lapes less than 50usec
  • [15:09:44] <panto> there is an example of driving an 1.8" TFT SPI display at full refresh rate
  • [15:09:47] <av500> panto: not sure SPI can do WS2811
  • [15:09:54] <panto> Rickta59, if you need that, PRU is needed
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  • [15:10:11] <av500> panto: can SPI do bytes back to back?
  • [15:10:22] <mdp> panto, that doesn't have the latency requirements that a ws2811 has
  • [15:10:26] <av500> as in no gap between data bytes?
  • [15:10:29] <mdp> it's like dmx stuff
  • [15:10:44] <av500> if SPI was gapless it might work
  • [15:10:46] <mdp> av500, within a transfer, yes
  • [15:10:47] <jackmitchell> supposedly with chained dma, right? I have no clue how to get on that though
  • [15:10:56] <Rickta59> yeah i asked that question the other day .. no one responded
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  • [15:11:15] <av500> mdp: ok
  • [15:11:22] <av500> not sure you need chained
  • [15:11:37] <av500> just one long transfer might be enough
  • [15:11:41] <mdp> av500, I have a trace sitting around with 40KiB sent by mcspi with no gap to the st7735 controller
  • [15:11:47] <mdp> from the fbdev driver
  • [15:11:49] <av500> ok
  • [15:11:53] <jackmitchell> is that not how you would make it gapless, as the gap is due to dma setup?
  • [15:11:56] <av500> then ws2811 should be doable
  • [15:12:03] <av500> jackmitchell: gap between bytes
  • [15:12:09] <av500> not between transfers
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  • [15:12:11] <Rickta59> i see that paul stoffergens approach was to use his teensy board but that could be more a vehicle for selling the board more than capabilities lacking in the BBB
  • [15:12:14] <mdp> you can also look at abusing mcasp
  • [15:12:19] <av500> or that
  • [15:12:21] * jackmitchell backs out :)
  • [15:12:21] <av500> right
  • [15:12:25] <panto> mdp, +1
  • [15:12:51] <mdp> am335x is loaded with serializers ;)
  • [15:12:53] <av500> all you need is to be able to output a bitpattern at a given rate
  • [15:13:02] <kfoltman> Rickta59: well, one justification for using teensy would be to protect BBB pins from being accidentally exposed to +5V, I suppose?
  • [15:13:16] <Rickta59> i think it is more economics
  • [15:13:25] <av500> I keep saying, add an arduino as a level shifter :)
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  • [15:14:45] <av500> mdp: I remember DM6441 that had a gap of one byte per byte or so
  • [15:14:59] <av500> because the SPI engine could not load the next byte while sending one....
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  • [15:15:09] <av500> effectively halving the SPI bandwidth
  • [15:15:30] <Rickta59> sounds like fdbdev is worth looking at
  • [15:16:00] <av500> Rickta59: it justs sets up SPI transfers
  • [15:16:48] <av500> Rickta59: did you see the 3x PWM approach to WS2811
  • [15:16:58] <Rickta59> i have not, link?
  • [15:17:01] <mdp> av500, I see, must have gotten fixed, I definitely confirmed full bit rate on am335x
  • [15:17:17] <av500> Rickta59: http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_libs_OctoWS2811.html
  • [15:17:22] <av500> ah the teensy stuff
  • [15:17:27] <av500> mdp: good
  • [15:18:58] <Rickta59> thanks av500 .. i hadn't actually looked at the implementation just the video
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  • [15:19:29] <av500> ah
  • [15:19:34] <av500> I dont look at videos :)
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  • [15:20:19] <mdp> you already know what leds look like?
  • [15:21:45] <av500> yes
  • [15:21:47] <av500> I think
  • [15:21:51] <av500> they are red
  • [15:21:55] <av500> one leg is longer
  • [15:22:30] <mdp> spoken like somebody from the throughhole generation...good..good!
  • [15:22:40] <av500> yes, and they are 5mm
  • [15:22:49] <av500> not these newfangled 3mm ones
  • [15:22:56] <mdp> heh...big enough for aging eyes
  • [15:23:20] <mru> and the bottom rim has a flat bit by the short pin
  • [15:23:45] <mdp> can we just see the damn video?
  • [15:23:57] <av500> mru: yes
  • [15:24:11] <mru> unless a troll has trimmed the leads carefully
  • [15:24:33] <av500> you can still see the larger thing inside
  • [15:24:58] <av500> a real troll would trim the legs, sand off the rim and sand the body to make it opaque
  • [15:25:23] <ka6sox> panto, what was the request someone had of me here....distration ovewr.
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  • [15:26:14] <panto> ka6sox, http://hastebin.com/raw/janufireto
  • [15:26:19] <mru> av500: no sanding required with the cloudy leds
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  • [15:26:59] <av500> panto: minor nitpick: you dont spend enough time on detailing the convergence between cloud and mobile
  • [15:27:28] <panto> av500, you're saying I must highlight the synergy
  • [15:27:30] <panto> got it
  • [15:27:38] <av500> yes, going forward
  • [15:27:47] <panto> stoping the churn
  • [15:27:48] <av500> also, learnings
  • [15:27:56] <mdp> panto, board file explanation is very good
  • [15:28:04] <panto> av500, wut? learnings?
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  • [15:28:33] <mdp> av500 is correct, something is missing about DT taking BBB to the Cloud
  • [15:28:45] <av500> DTBBB2C
  • [15:29:08] * panto read that in Ali-G's voice
  • [15:29:19] <av500> DTBBB2CAG?
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  • [15:29:38] <mru> http://beagleborad.org/
  • [15:29:38] <mdp> panto, "plethora" is too big of a word for .usians...suggest "many" ;)
  • [15:30:08] <av500> keep plethora
  • [15:30:15] <av500> learnings, remember
  • [15:30:17] <mru> the real question is how to get "hootenanny" in there
  • [15:30:21] <av500> +1
  • [15:30:30] <mdp> challenge accepted!
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  • [15:31:59] <av500> mru: do you remember that video of that uni prof? about communication
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  • [15:32:12] <mdp> panto, last two sentenceParagraphs in the trouble with DT section seem to be incomplete thoughts, I'm left wanting for more
  • [15:32:15] <av500> and how bad communication caused people in australia to die in a wildfire?
  • [15:32:24] <mru> no, don't remember that
  • [15:32:30] <av500> because they were not warned in a way that conveyed the danger of it?
  • [15:32:33] <panto> mdp, ok
  • [15:32:41] <mdp> panto, I think it's trying to summarize and is almost there
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  • [15:32:53] <av500> mru: he ranted about "learnings" a lot in it
  • [15:32:57] <panto> it's a friggin huge subject
  • [15:33:06] <mru> I have no recollection of such a thing
  • [15:33:11] <mru> can't have communicated it well
  • [15:33:36] <ka6sox> panto, why did I read that as harshbin
  • [15:33:49] <panto> I am harsh
  • [15:33:54] <panto> maybe that's why
  • [15:33:59] <mru> hashbin
  • [15:34:08] <panto> hashishbin
  • [15:34:13] <mdp> panto, I think it should summarize as "In summary, the core of DT change is that logic that was previously accomplished in board files is moved into a mixture of generic frameworks, abstracted devices drivers, and data to drive that software.
  • [15:34:20] <jackmitchell> panto: that's a big document kudos for writing it
  • [15:34:49] <panto> mdp, I'm kanging this
  • [15:34:52] <panto> jackmitchell, thx
  • [15:34:58] <panto> someone had to do it
  • [15:35:09] <jackmitchell> I only skimmed but it seems very useful
  • [15:35:13] <mdp> panto, "The pinmux subsystem and clocksource/clockevent frameworks are two examples of consolidated frameworks that have evolved from the ARM move to DT."
  • [15:35:17] <panto> maybe it should be someone who's better at writing docs than me
  • [15:35:19] <mdp> panto, ok Chad
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  • [15:35:50] <jackmitchell> send it over to rpjday, he likes tearing into documents
  • [15:36:15] <jackmitchell> it might bring out the tears, but the docs usually end up for the better
  • [15:36:54] <ka6sox> jackmitchell, tears of Joy, Laughter or Sorrow?
  • [15:36:58] <mdp> panto, "Previously, each ARM "machine", such as mach-omap2/*, implemented their SoC-specific pinmux and timer/clock drivers within their machine directory."
  • [15:37:06] <jackmitchell> the holy trinity, all together
  • [15:37:33] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/117
  • [15:37:46] <mdp> panto, "In converted ARM machines, these drivers no live in the appropriate drivers/* directory and share common code sanely with other similar drivers."
  • [15:37:47] <panto> jackmitchell, since I'm not a native speaker, and in general was pretty lousy on non-sciency classes I'll survive
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  • [15:38:06] <mdp> panto, kang what you like, discard the rest
  • [15:38:35] <ka6sox> panto, this is pretty good...
  • [15:38:39] <jackmitchell> panto: the guy I'm talking about is the one who has his name plastered over the BBB SRM; his email should be easy to find
  • [15:38:51] <panto> mdp where should I stick them?
  • [15:38:54] <mdp> panto, I think that might summarize the big picture to help the lead in to the details
  • [15:39:22] <mdp> replace those last two sentenceParagraphs right before the "Device Tree's data driven model" section
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  • [15:39:47] <mdp> that sets the stage for the detailed pinmux discussion of how it converts from the old way to the new way
  • [15:39:52] <mdp> which looks really good
  • [15:40:13] <av500> lets debate pin for pin
  • [15:40:19] <av500> keep us focussed
  • [15:40:42] <ka6sox> panto, a LWN article? :)
  • [15:40:53] <panto> sure, if we can get it
  • [15:41:04] <ka6sox> I think thats a good forum
  • [15:41:15] <av500> nah, too many trolls
  • [15:41:26] * av500 gets account
  • [15:41:29] <ka6sox> av500, not as many as HERE!
  • [15:41:39] <panto> #beagle is not the one to throw the first trol^Wstone
  • [15:41:51] <ka6sox> panto, +1
  • [15:42:04] <mdp> panto, one more idea..in your detailed example (again, awesome) I think it would be good to have a short explanation of the difference between the gpiolib direction as it applies to the GPIO IP on am335x and the pinmux stuff that is completely separate
  • [15:42:07] <mranostay> that is all we do here
  • [15:42:21] <mdp> since you are using the gpio example, might as well squash that confusion right here
  • [15:42:27] <av500> ogra_: glass to be banned in pubs?
  • [15:42:41] <mdp> unfortunately it works differently on !omap socs in the kernel :(
  • [15:42:53] <panto> av500, how will I swill my beer then? plastic cups?
  • [15:42:56] <ogra_> av500, hmm ?
  • [15:43:13] <av500> er
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  • [15:43:15] <av500> sorry
  • [15:43:17] <av500> XorA:
  • [15:43:18] <ogra_> :)
  • [15:43:20] <panto> mdp, have a rough idea how to phrase that?
  • [15:43:20] <av500> XorA: ^^^^
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  • [15:43:26] <mdp> panto, dammit ;)
  • [15:43:27] <av500> coffee
  • [15:43:36] <panto> -ENONNATIVESPEAKER :)
  • [15:43:39] <av500> mdp: explain it like a 6y old
  • [15:43:43] <panto> less
  • [15:43:43] <mdp> panto, let me refill coffee
  • [15:43:48] <panto> retarded 3yo
  • [15:43:59] <panto> afk for coffee too
  • [15:44:04] <av500> panto: you mean like on slashdot?
  • [15:44:05] <mdp> I'm convinced kids get this stuff far easier than adults
  • [15:44:09] <ka6sox> panto, even I can semi-understand it.
  • [15:44:14] <ka6sox> mdp, +1
  • [15:44:39] <mdp> the receptacle seems to start rejecting new concepts for many people
  • [15:44:56] <ka6sox> mdp, I have to push something out to receive new.
  • [15:44:59] <mdp> panto, also refilling coffee then I'll post a draft suggestion
  • [15:45:17] * ka6sox joins the crowd and gets coffee
  • [15:45:28] <mdp> ka6sox, I am rejecting new programming languages only atm
  • [15:47:04] <ka6sox> mdp, thats why I'm letting my kidlet do the JS and webbie stuff.
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  • [15:50:37] <jackmitchell> only perl and fortran for you!
  • [15:50:45] <mru> what, no forth?
  • [15:50:53] <av500> henceforth
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  • [15:55:40] <mdp> OF really could help here
  • [15:57:21] <ka6sox> back
  • [15:57:36] <panto> back too
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  • [15:57:49] <fiola> LOLS, just received spam email for "Raspberry Pi XBMC Solution".
  • [15:58:59] <mru> prpplague: why no commenting on your g+ post?
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  • [15:59:31] <av500> prpplague: yes, why?
  • [15:59:45] <av500> that article is so full of fail
  • [15:59:59] <panto> which one?
  • [16:00:03] <mru> I can't make out what it's arguing
  • [16:00:15] <av500> mru: it tries to scare people
  • [16:00:17] <av500> subtly
  • [16:00:24] <ka6sox> no commenting?
  • [16:00:27] <av500> free college is not free
  • [16:00:34] <ka6sox> bring out the torches and pitchforks!
  • [16:00:40] <mru> I went to the top university in sweden for free
  • [16:00:52] <mru> hell, the government even _gave_ me money to do so
  • [16:00:57] <av500> "the socialisation of education"
  • [16:01:01] <av500> == socialism
  • [16:01:03] <av500> == bad
  • [16:01:03] <mru> then I left the country
  • [16:01:05] <av500> == scary
  • [16:01:06] <mru> muahahahaha
  • [16:01:20] <av500> :)
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  • [16:01:29] <mdp> that happens on the state level in .us too ;)
  • [16:01:36] <ka6sox> yup
  • [16:02:07] <mru> av500: germany has free education too?
  • [16:02:10] <av500> yep
  • [16:02:20] <av500> they tried moderate uni fees
  • [16:02:22] <mdp> ka6sox, we export a lot of engineers from OH->CA ;)
  • [16:02:24] <av500> then rolled them back
  • [16:02:32] <mru> uk has fees, but they're not that high
  • [16:02:39] <georgem> bah, education
  • [16:02:51] <mru> education is good
  • [16:03:01] <mru> I actually learned stuff at university
  • [16:03:04] <koen> In .nl the largest chunk of your student loan gets killed if you graduate on time
  • [16:03:09] <mdp> education is just the man trying to indoctrinate you with his ideas
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  • [16:03:13] <mranostay> mru: not enough to finish? :)
  • [16:03:20] <av500> koen: that too, but the loan is to help costs of living
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  • [16:03:23] <mru> mranostay: enough not to finish
  • [16:03:38] <av500> if you are "in need"
  • [16:03:45] <kfoltman> mdp: and so are the cheap development boards ;)
  • [16:03:53] <georgem> education is good for people that can't teach themselves.
  • [16:04:05] <mdp> kfoltman, +1
  • [16:04:17] <mru> everyone can use a good tutor
  • [16:04:18] <mdp> kfoltman, the cheapest development boards are "for the children"
  • [16:04:23] <ka6sox> mru, +1
  • [16:04:32] <kfoltman> *ahem* RPi *ahem* right?
  • [16:04:40] <ka6sox> mdp, that means the $4.30 ones?
  • [16:04:48] <mranostay> georgem: true but sure makes job interviews easier :)
  • [16:05:12] <mdp> ka6sox, whatever the man is pushing today ;)
  • [16:05:21] <kfoltman> georgem: actually, it's good for getting people to learn stuff they would otherwise avoid at all cost (*ahem* me *ahem* math, compilers and other "hard" subjects)
  • [16:05:34] <mru> not only that
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  • [16:05:55] <mru> a good education programme will teach you things you wouldn't otherwise know were even possible to learn
  • [16:06:09] <av500> like math
  • [16:06:12] <mdp> "free education"
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  • [16:06:30] <ka6sox> the processor board $4.30..the Educational Booster Pack $25...get them on the accessories (think Barbie)
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  • [16:06:45] <mranostay> or GI Joe
  • [16:07:01] <mranostay> or a FPGA! oh hi emeb
  • [16:07:03] <av500> you mean DT Joe
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  • [16:07:05] <mdp> ka6sox, they need a audio booster pack that exclaims, "Oooohhh...math is so hard!"
  • [16:07:22] <emeb> Speak of the FPGA and it shall appear...
  • [16:07:25] <georgem> kfoltman: maybe I'm unwell.... I learned all of that stuff on my own
  • [16:07:38] <mru> I'm not talking about any specific subject on which there are books written
  • [16:08:08] <cmicali> panto: this read me is fantastic
  • [16:08:11] <ka6sox> mdp, you know you are in trouble when your kid wants to spend 4 days asking you questions about Quantum Mechanics...
  • [16:08:25] <fiola> mru++ ... you can't even want to learn something if you don't know it exists. Those who went before show you the whole jigsaw, so that you can fill in the pieces over time in later life.
  • [16:08:42] <emeb> ka6sox: get him a copy of "Surely you're joking Mr Feynmann"
  • [16:08:46] <georgem> thats bs
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  • [16:08:54] <mru> georgem: what's your education?
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  • [16:09:07] <mdp> ka6sox, I was once up until 3am in a discussion about why the super collider (probably) would not end the world ;)
  • [16:09:07] <georgem> mru: none
  • [16:09:12] <mru> thank you for proving my point
  • [16:09:32] <ka6sox> emeb, I have that book...let me dig it out
  • [16:09:51] <mru> mdp: either it won't, and then we're safe; or it will, and then we won't care
  • [16:09:57] <fiola> That's it exactly. Those who don't know can;t even see the value of knowing. It's chicken and egg.
  • [16:10:01] <av500> I think it ended it already
  • [16:10:03] <ka6sox> mdp, thats a serious discussion
  • [16:10:07] <av500> we are running the backup simulation
  • [16:10:37] <mdp> ka6sox, he couldn't sleep, worrying about it ;) it was before the full ability to reason through this stuff but with enough thinking to be dangeriously worrisome
  • [16:10:37] <ka6sox> av500, do we now all live in the Matrix?
  • [16:10:38] <mranostay> ka6sox: quantum mechanics? what age?
  • [16:10:51] <ka6sox> 11
  • [16:10:58] <mdp> mru, right, I had to focus on the unlikely nature of it
  • [16:11:01] <panto> wait until he discovers girls
  • [16:11:03] <georgem> mru: I guess your education also taught you how to be a pompous ass.
  • [16:11:15] <ka6sox> panto, I know...thats a day I"m dreading...
  • [16:11:16] <mdp> mru, rather than, "you really won't notice now will you?"
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  • [16:11:16] <mru> georgem: no, I learned that by myself
  • [16:11:39] <georgem> mru: see, thats the way to do it :)
  • [16:11:39] <KotH> mru: my grandfather has been known to bash anyone with no education, especially those arguing against educuation
  • [16:11:43] <ka6sox> #beagle is a river that changes course every 3 minutes...
  • [16:12:09] <panto> #beagle, the channel for the techies with no attention span whatsoever
  • [16:12:18] <ka6sox> panto, who is your audience for this article?
  • [16:12:37] <mru> ka6sox: he already answered that, he top-posted
  • [16:12:56] * mranostay gets popcorn
  • [16:13:09] <ka6sox> mru, I must have been at the Hotdog Stand when that happened.
  • [16:13:12] <KotH> mru: one day, when he was sitting in a park, someone else sitting hear him was complainging that his son wants to go to highschool.."what is he going to end up? a paper pusher". my grandfather "muttered" loudly.. "still better than becoming shit like you" :-)
  • [16:13:17] <georgem> KotH: My father has PhD in statistics his doctoral professor was a Nobel laureate. He told me that for me education was a waste of time. I listened.
  • [16:13:18] <mdp> KotH, I'm pro-reeducation
  • [16:13:38] <av500> KotH: kudos to your dad
  • [16:13:44] <panto> ka6sox, a) BB white users/developers on the 3.2, b) new comers to DT, c) BBB users that need to understand a few things more
  • [16:13:49] <KotH> av500: my dad has nothing to do with that
  • [16:13:55] <av500> oops
  • [16:13:56] <KotH> av500: and i am glad he had no say in my education
  • [16:13:57] <av500> granddad
  • [16:14:02] <ka6sox> panto, thanks...helps
  • [16:14:06] <mru> georgem: oh, perhaps for _you_ education would indeed be a waste
  • [16:14:13] <mdp> ouch
  • [16:14:22] <panto> gentlemen, you can't fight here! this is the war room!
  • [16:14:33] <kfoltman> some people can learn stuff on their own, most can't, news at 11 ;)
  • [16:14:43] * mdp moves the minatures about on the table
  • [16:14:43] * panto 's arm is trying to strangle him
  • [16:14:45] <kfoltman> s/stuff/all stuff/
  • [16:14:59] <KotH> georgem: i'm not going to argue with anyone who thinks that education in any form is a waste of time
  • [16:14:59] <kfoltman> panto: a8 or m3?
  • [16:15:00] <mru> kfoltman: learning is one thing, learning what to learn another entirely
  • [16:15:02] <mdp> panto, ok so back to our work..so I can get back to my day job
  • [16:15:08] <KotH> georgem: i cannot change your mind, you are imune against learning
  • [16:15:13] <fiola> kfoltman: you can't learn what you don't know exists, except by accident. You won't search it out.
  • [16:15:30] <panto> kfoltman, huh?
  • [16:15:32] <KotH> mdp: i would guess so... you didnt seem like a stupid guy ;)
  • [16:15:47] <kfoltman> mru, fiola: theoretically, you could learn that, too, school is not a prerequisite for that, it just makes it easier/more likely to happen
  • [16:16:17] <fiola> kfoltman: As I said, except by accident.
  • [16:16:20] <mru> I did some teaching at university
  • [16:16:34] <kfoltman> fiola: or as a consequence of learning something else
  • [16:16:37] <mranostay> KotH: of course i'm guessing college isn't a business effectively in .ch yet?
  • [16:16:39] <mru> in every group, there'd a be a few bright students who'd "learned" programming on their own
  • [16:16:46] <mru> and a few bright ones who hadn't
  • [16:16:52] <mru> the latter were much easier to teach
  • [16:16:54] <KotH> kfoltman: the advantage of school is that you get a broad overview over a field very quickly.. at a speed you cannot do yourself
  • [16:17:07] <KotH> mranostay: what do you mean?
  • [16:17:10] <Guser> sorry for the noobish question, but if I want to enable UART2 on the BBB I have to recompile the Device Tree Source? It isn't just a matter of changing the mux, right?
  • [16:17:13] <georgem> KotH: try learning on the job
  • [16:17:14] <ka6sox> panto, what help do you need with the article? and do you have enough input?
  • [16:17:16] <mru> the former often thought they knew everything already, and we had to force them out of bad habits
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  • [16:17:28] <kfoltman> georgem: that gave us ruby-on-rails programmers ;)
  • [16:17:29] <SpeedEvil> The blood! The Blood!
  • [16:17:45] <KotH> georgem: you are talking to someone who knows more than the average guy which a masters degree...
  • [16:17:47] <ka6sox> "The Horror"
  • [16:17:50] <prpplague> mru / av500 not in the mod for a rational debate....
  • [16:17:58] <KotH> georgem: maybe it could have somethign to do that i'm working on my second university degree
  • [16:18:00] <mdp> KotH, lol
  • [16:18:05] <mru> prpplague: oh, we wouldn't give you a _rational_ debate
  • [16:18:06] <georgem> KotH: so are you
  • [16:18:19] <ka6sox> philosophy majors are by definition not rational
  • [16:18:31] <mdp> panto, time is running out, my mbp retina arrived and requires a linux desktop(tm) install :)
  • [16:18:33] <KotH> mdp: hey! it's true! :)
  • [16:18:46] <mru> georgem: you strike me as an arrogant prick who thinks he knows everything, yet has nothing to show for it
  • [16:19:10] <mdp> KotH, I hang with smart people, listen, and repeat what they say. recommended tactic
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  • [16:19:10] <Guser> can't I just use the pinMode function on the bonescript?
  • [16:19:11] <panto> ka6sox, I need peopler to read it and let me know where it's not working out
  • [16:19:11] <fiola> kfoltman: Education increases your chances of learning something that otherwise would have required just accident and luck to discover. With the knowledge that it exists, you can then choose to ignore it, and that's what happens to a large proportion of what you're taught. But at least you were given the option. Without education, you don't have the option, you're in the lap of the gods.
  • [16:19:12] <kfoltman> mru/fiola: still, people who think they know everything, just out of ignorance, are generally kinda annoying (see also: stereotypical rails or php or vb programmers)
  • [16:19:17] <georgem> mru: you strike me as an elitist prick
  • [16:19:24] <mru> kfoltman: and georgem
  • [16:19:26] <KotH> mdp: guess why i'm here :)
  • [16:19:32] <prpplague> mru: hehe i am sure
  • [16:19:35] <av500> prpplague: np, need to go home anyway :)
  • [16:19:41] <Guser> *_* so much text nobody even saw my question
  • [16:19:41] <prpplague> av500: hehe
  • [16:19:55] <av500> Guser: it does not work
  • [16:20:03] <av500> it only works for pins that are in GPIO mode already
  • [16:20:06] <av500> it needs DT love
  • [16:20:09] <fiola> kfoltman: Yes, it's always perceived that way. Those who never even went to basic school perceive those who have as annoying. It's true all the way up.
  • [16:20:11] <kfoltman> mru: I'm aware of my own ignorance about depth of georgem's knowledge :P
  • [16:20:14] <ka6sox> panto, okay...are you going to draw a conclusion?
  • [16:20:26] <panto> yes
  • [16:20:26] <mranostay> group hug anyone?
  • [16:20:29] <panto> still thinking about it
  • [16:20:33] <av500> mranostay: sure
  • [16:20:35] <mranostay> hug away the hate here :)
  • [16:20:39] <panto> we need the peripheral example capes
  • [16:20:46] <av500> panto: hug!
  • [16:20:52] <panto> bear hug!
  • [16:20:59] <av500> panto: lets show them GreekSerbian style!
  • [16:21:00] <kfoltman> fiola: I'm talking about the opposite - we see rails guys as annoying, because they speak from position of authority despite (often) barely knowing how to write code that sometimes works ;)
  • [16:21:00] <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. just for the record: mru knows a damn lot about computers and programming.. he is entitled to his elitist ideas
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  • [16:21:19] <mru> now I could probably have taken all the textbooks I used at university and read them on my own
  • [16:21:26] <panto> bradfa, if you're here, what's the link to your mux info git tree?
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  • [16:21:37] <KotH> georgem: you on the other hand seem to be ignorant enough to think you know that education is a waste of time, withouth even having tried it
  • [16:21:38] <mru> then I'd know linear algebra, calculus, digital circuit design, etc
  • [16:21:44] <mru> but I wouldn't know _engineering_
  • [16:21:48] <Guser> In case anyone asnwered - i crashed and didn't get it.
  • [16:21:58] <mranostay> heheh
  • [16:22:00] <av500> Guser: it does not work
  • [16:22:01] <georgem> KotH: I have tried it
  • [16:22:03] <av500> it only works for pins that are in GPIO mode already
  • [16:22:05] <av500> it needs DT love
  • [16:22:24] <georgem> I never said I didnt try it
  • [16:22:31] <Guser> av500: then I'm off to recompile. thanks
  • [16:22:33] <KotH> mru: interesting... i learned engineering on my own.. trying stuff
  • [16:22:35] <ka6sox> panto, https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables
  • [16:22:40] <kfoltman> mru: I don't know, one of the best game programmers I ever knew was self-taught (but he did a lot of study on his own)
  • [16:22:50] <KotH> mru: there is actually very little of my university stuff that i use on the job
  • [16:23:04] <mru> I don't use a lot of the specific subject matter
  • [16:23:12] <KotH> mru: but i curse every day that i didnt pay more attention in the math courses
  • [16:23:27] <mru> but having the background knowledge does help understanding some problems
  • [16:24:03] <kfoltman> mru: still, some people *do* learn background knowledge on their own - it's just not a norm, from what I see at least
  • [16:24:29] <mdp> panto, I recommend the example use s/gpio_request/gpio_request_one/ partly to address the fact that you are missing the gpio_direction_output() call
  • [16:24:30] <levi> Universities are repurposed remnants of an age where people generally thought a 'classical education' had value, rather than seeing education solely as training for the workforce.
  • [16:24:31] <mru> "self-taught" people tend to have only learned precisely what they needed
  • [16:24:33] <ka6sox> panto, what do you mean by "peripheral example capes?
  • [16:24:34] <KotH> kfoltman: there are people who can learn a lot by themselves.. but that's the exception... and they are often relatively inefficient in tackling an entirely new field
  • [16:24:42] <mru> so while they know some things very well, they also have large gaps
  • [16:24:47] <panto> the ones we talked about
  • [16:24:52] <georgem> Anyway, I've got things to attend to. I'll just end by saying that I find it deplorable that you judge people and their methods because they are different from your own.
  • [16:24:52] <mdp> panto, and partly because gpio_request_one() does it all and forces the good example of setting a proper default
  • [16:24:59] <panto> UART0, UART1, I2C1, etc.
  • [16:25:01] <ka6sox> panto, the generica ones?
  • [16:25:04] <ka6sox> right
  • [16:25:05] <kfoltman> mru: depends on the general level of curiosity
  • [16:25:31] <mru> of course it does
  • [16:25:40] <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. as a student of psychology, i can tell you that you judge people exactly the same way
  • [16:25:47] <mru> but I still maintain that spending 2-3 years in higher education is never a waste of time
  • [16:25:48] <KotH> georgem: you are just not aware of it
  • [16:25:51] <mru> if it's a good university
  • [16:26:14] <ka6sox> mru, what if your university is rated #1 Party School in the country?
  • [16:26:26] <mru> then you'll learn a different set of skills
  • [16:26:27] <kfoltman> ka6sox: that depends on if you like to party ;)
  • [16:26:47] <KotH> kfoltman: people who know me, can attest you that i have a very high level of curiosity. but i know that most of the fields i study by myself have large gaps in basic knowledge
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  • [16:27:14] <KotH> kfoltman: as a selftaught, you just dont have much drive to learn some of the basics, because there is no need....you get along without them
  • [16:27:26] <mru> there's no shame in letting those who have explored the world before you show you the way
  • [16:27:32] <KotH> kfoltman: and often you dont even realize what their use would be until you finally take the time to learn it properly
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  • [16:27:44] <mru> KotH: +1
  • [16:27:46] <kfoltman> KotH: well, sure, I wouldn't learn integrals if I wasn't almost forced at gunpoint to do so ;)
  • [16:28:06] * KotH has to relearn them ^^'
  • [16:28:13] * kfoltman is trying to relearn them
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  • [16:28:22] <mru> they're damn useful
  • [16:28:27] <ka6sox> kfoltman, for 80% of my career...I didn't need them...now I'm trying to relearn matrix algebra too...
  • [16:28:28] <mdp> panto, then, right below the first boardfile use of muxing then the gpio stuff, you could have a blazing note, "NOTE: On an "OMAP" SoC the GPIO block and the pinmux block are independent entities. As such, the software must properly configure both the GPIO *and* the Pinmux for output/input. GPIO configuration is done via the standard gpiolib library and in this example, the omap_mux_init_signal() api configures the pinmux itself to allow output
  • [16:28:28] <mdp> on the pin."
  • [16:28:28] <KotH> yeah..
  • [16:28:28] * panto vaguely remembers he used to remember how to do them
  • [16:28:33] <mru> it's a long time since I solved one by hand
  • [16:28:47] <mdp> panto, that's a draft
  • [16:28:47] <panto> mdp, kanged!
  • [16:29:23] <KotH> mru: i want to take a course on the topic of control systems in living cells next semester... very heavy on algebra, linear algebra and matlab.. topics i dont know nearly enough about
  • [16:29:26] <mdp> ok, now off to fight EFI so I have this baby ready for travel sunday ;)
  • [16:29:29] <panto> perhaps I should put that on google docs so that everyone can contribute
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  • [16:29:51] <ka6sox> panto, at least throw darts at...but yes please do
  • [16:29:53] <KotH> mdp: good luck
  • [16:30:06] <mdp> panto, please do, I think that would be better than mixing these comments in the "education is for lusers" conversation
  • [16:30:17] <ka6sox> mdp, +1
  • [16:30:18] <mdp> :)
  • [16:31:01] * KotH wonders whether he should give a talk on basic psychology on ELCE
  • [16:31:03] <mru> observation: few of those who did go to school seem to think it was a waste
  • [16:31:09] <mranostay> KotH: yes :)
  • [16:31:09] <KotH> just for the fun of doing something non-standard :)
  • [16:31:18] <mranostay> psychology of a troll
  • [16:31:18] <mdp> KotH, I found #exactsteps for mbp retina install, no problem!
  • [16:31:19] <mru> submit a proposal
  • [16:31:23] <KotH> mranostay: can you get it accepted somehow? :)
  • [16:31:31] <ka6sox> I find myself spending time @ khan academy relearning...
  • [16:31:51] <mdp> ka6sox, it's a neverending process
  • [16:31:58] <ka6sox> mdp, but a good one
  • [16:32:02] <mdp> yep
  • [16:32:23] <mdp> I used an online curriculum a while back to spend a week learning field theory math
  • [16:32:43] <mdp> to properly grok BCH
  • [16:32:50] <KotH> my condolences
  • [16:33:14] <KotH> mdp: get yourself a copy of "error control coding" by lin and costello
  • [16:33:23] <mdp> KotH, it hurt my head
  • [16:33:26] <KotH> mdp: contains everything you want to know about that stuff
  • [16:33:26] <ka6sox> I find myself learning Octave...not a language I would have thought I would work with...
  • [16:33:30] <mdp> KotH, have it
  • [16:33:53] <KotH> mdp: hehe.. i know that feeling
  • [16:33:57] <mdp> KotH, it'll probably be another thing I never use again
  • [16:34:17] <mdp> KotH, like crypto, learned that all doing defense work..and never ever worked on it in the private sector all these years
  • [16:34:20] <mdp> oddly enough
  • [16:34:31] <mranostay> mdp: lucky for the US government :P
  • [16:34:42] <Jazzdude> mdp, what does BCH stand for? (not Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff, does it?)
  • [16:34:44] <mdp> mranostay, I know all their sekrit algorithms
  • [16:34:51] <KotH> mdp: the first time i had to do something with RS codes, i was told to write a SystemC implementation of it, using a VHDL example... unfortunately, i didnt know shit about field theory, nothing about codes at all... and i was in japan where english text books are rare ^^'
  • [16:35:02] <mranostay> mdp: they didn't kill you on exit? :)
  • [16:35:09] <mranostay> or that just in movies?
  • [16:35:13] <mdp> but hey, Bruce Schneier has some awesome guesses in his books/papers ;)
  • [16:35:30] <KotH> mdp: i'm quite sure i will use parts of that stuff again somewhen
  • [16:35:35] <mdp> KotH, lol
  • [16:35:50] <KotH> mdp: we do a lot of communication stuff. it is bound to happend that we need some error correction system somewhen
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  • [16:36:04] <mdp> yeah
  • [16:36:04] <Sy_> Hello
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  • [16:36:37] <KotH> Echo
  • [16:36:48] <mdp> I had to debug an error in our driver implementing the s/w end of the BCH correction..customer was production stopped :(
  • [16:36:51] <KotH> Sy_: you just missed a great on-topic discussion
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  • [16:37:02] <Sy_> what was that ?
  • [16:37:06] <mdp> KotH, so much nicer to sit in a Uni classroom and absorb that stuff, I think ;)
  • [16:37:11] <mdp> over a semester
  • [16:37:15] <KotH> mdp: lol.. yeah
  • [16:37:21] <KotH> mdp: i know that feeling!
  • [16:37:29] * KotH has it every day
  • [16:37:41] <Sy_> Very pleased now that I have HA-Multi-Master MySQL running on Beagle
  • [16:37:45] <KotH> Sy_: on education and why ignorant pricks think it's a waste of time
  • [16:37:53] <Sy_> lol
  • [16:38:04] * fiola waves at Sy_ ... still working fine?
  • [16:38:13] <mranostay> KotH: what is the BS in?
  • [16:38:25] <KotH> mranostay: BS?
  • [16:38:42] <Sy_> yes replicating beautifully....next stage is to get PHP working with the web-server
  • [16:38:48] <mdp> panto, did you catch that part about the fix to the actual example api usage though?
  • [16:38:50] <KotH> mranostay: i not usian native. you not use acronymes on me!
  • [16:39:03] <panto> the gpio request one?
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  • [16:39:12] <mdp> panto, it's particularly important for the note since the call to the gpio direction api is missing
  • [16:39:15] <mdp> panto, yeah
  • [16:39:22] <panto> yeah, got it
  • [16:39:25] <mdp> cool
  • [16:39:34] <mdp> ok, really looking away from irc now
  • [16:39:53] <panto> mdp, what's your email to use for the document?
  • [16:40:00] <panto> should I use the new one at Linaro?
  • [16:40:20] <mdp> yeah, that's fine, I think
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  • [16:40:39] <mdp> I hadn't decided what I would really use for this kind of stuff ;)
  • [16:40:40] <panto> ok, what is it then? :)
  • [16:40:49] <mdp> matt.porter@linaro.org
  • [16:40:57] <mdp> non-intuitive
  • [16:41:16] * KotH would have expected mdp@linaro.org
  • [16:41:22] * ka6sox goes back to fighting musb
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  • [16:41:56] <mranostay> KotH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science
  • [16:42:02] <ka6sox> )(&#$)*% random crashes :P
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  • [16:42:21] <KotH> mranostay: i dont have a BSc, just an MSc
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  • [16:42:42] <panto> ka6sox, that's musb alright!
  • [16:42:45] * mranostay should get motivated to take a few classes
  • [16:43:14] <Sy_> What http server is running on the vanilla set-up, looked for http in the process'es, nothing comes up.
  • [16:43:17] <mranostay> all roads point to musb
  • [16:43:20] <KotH> mranostay: i currently have a MSc in EE and working on a BSc in psych with chem as minor
  • [16:43:43] <mranostay> KotH: how can you have a MSc before BSc
  • [16:43:48] <alan_o> that sounds like a lot of hard work
  • [16:43:59] <mranostay> alan_o: i'm way too lazy for that :P
  • [16:44:04] <ka6sox> musb is always hard work.
  • [16:44:06] <KotH> mranostay: .ch had a totally different degree system at uni level
  • [16:44:25] <mdp> ka6sox, you must have a gun to your head
  • [16:44:28] <alan_o> mranostay: me too, I'm never going back. One gets used to being treated like an adult.
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  • [16:44:39] <KotH> mranostay: we were the first generation of students who got the bologna system (aka us'ified education, with all its "merits")
  • [16:44:44] <ka6sox> mdp, I do...can't get paid till we get this sorted
  • [16:45:07] <KotH> mranostay: as there wasnt an in-between degree like the BSc, our generation just skipped it and went directly to MSc
  • [16:45:27] <Guser> could anyone reference me to a howto read serial data from a specific pin? i've been working on this for a few hours now and the documentation i've found so far is quite bad...(Single-wire, 2400 baud Serial TTL)
  • [16:45:29] <KotH> mranostay: today students first do an BSc and then an MSc
  • [16:45:47] <KotH> mranostay: though very frew people stop at BSc because at that level you are basically nothing
  • [16:46:13] <ka6sox> Guser, are you bitreceiving the pin? or using a UART/SPI/whatever module?
  • [16:46:16] <Sy_> Two of my son's is currently at Uni, eldest doing degree in History and archeology, son no.2 studying architecture...son no.3 just left school about to start college and daughter still in school.
  • [16:46:16] <KotH> alan_o: it is a lot of work. but it's fun :)
  • [16:46:38] <KotH> alan_o: i dont know how you treat your students in the us, but they are treatet like adults overhere
  • [16:46:58] <Guser> ka6sox: I thought my only option is to use a UART...
  • [16:46:59] <mranostay> KotH: BSc is nothing
  • [16:47:01] <mranostay> ?
  • [16:47:16] <KotH> mranostay: it's considered "half a degree" by people
  • [16:47:29] <KotH> mranostay: as i said, we didnt have an in-between degree before
  • [16:47:44] <KotH> mranostay: nobody expects you to leave university half way trough
  • [16:47:50] <ka6sox> KotH, we have something thats 1/2 a BSc called a AS
  • [16:48:04] <KotH> mranostay: hence nobody will hire someone who has only half a degree
  • [16:48:11] <KotH> ka6sox: eh...
  • [16:48:30] <KotH> ka6sox: we call these aprentices ;)
  • [16:48:40] <Guser> ka6sox: a tty interface device will be the best for my usage.
  • [16:49:04] <mdp> ka6sox, I figured as much. my last forced worked on musb was sitting at a customer site fixing that POS :(
  • [16:49:30] <ka6sox> Guser,so which UART receive pin are you using?
  • [16:49:34] <mdp> ka6sox, I suggest the obligatory Silkwood shower when you are done.
  • [16:49:56] <mranostay> KotH: is BSc 4 years?
  • [16:49:59] <alan_o> KotH: we're treated like kids at university (which is weird for me to say.... it's COLLEGE :) ) mostly because people act that way. Univeristies aren't about learning for most attendees. For most, it's about drinking beer for 4 years then whining why you have so much student loan (because you got a degree in nothing), and then asking the government to forgive student loan debt. That's kind of the progression.
  • [16:50:01] <ka6sox> mdp, I feel that it will take one with Lye...
  • [16:50:11] <mdp> hehe
  • [16:50:29] <KotH> mranostay: 3y for BSc, another 1.5-3 for MSc
  • [16:50:32] <mdp> definitely if you are working on the 2.6.32 version ;)
  • [16:50:45] <ka6sox> .37
  • [16:50:47] <Guser> ka6sox: I was thinking about using UART5
  • [16:50:57] <ka6sox> Guser, good plan(tm)
  • [16:50:59] <KotH> alan_o: rotfl
  • [16:51:12] <Guser> ka6sox: pin 32
  • [16:51:13] <mdp> ka6sox, uh oh
  • [16:51:14] <alan_o> KotH: Engineers and scientists (and definitely some others) excepted of course. Not many people in CS were in fraternities (I only ever knew of 3).
  • [16:51:36] <alan_o> KotH: People don't have time for that crap if you're getting a real degree.
  • [16:51:43] <KotH> alan_o: in .ch you have a damn lot of exams to pass... you fail any one exam twice and you are gone.. and because the universities in .ch are coordinated, you cannot study that topic anywhere in .ch anymore
  • [16:51:49] * ka6sox makes the "okay mdp..lets have it" sign...
  • [16:52:10] <KotH> alan_o: that keeps people on the edge a bit...
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  • [16:52:23] <KotH> alan_o: though i must say, the workload in different degrees varies a lot
  • [16:52:53] <mranostay> KotH: sounds a little harse
  • [16:52:54] <KotH> alan_o: studying full time psych while working 80% is no problem. taking one lecture in chem fills my whole free time
  • [16:52:57] <mranostay> *harsh
  • [16:53:26] <KotH> mranostay: you have to keep in mind that uni is basically for free in .ch (costs about 2000usd/y)
  • [16:53:31] <alan_o> KotH: We make the mistake of trying to send everyone to college (Uni). I like the idea that anyone has the opportunity to "catch up" if they mess up at any point, but at the same time, we shouldn't push every single kid into college.
  • [16:53:36] <KotH> mranostay: you dont want to keep people who are never going to finish there
  • [16:53:45] <mranostay> KotH: yeah which why it is a business here :)
  • [16:53:50] <KotH> mranostay: and if you do want to get a degree, you can still choose a different topic
  • [16:54:09] <KotH> mranostay: advantage: we dont have student loans ;)
  • [16:54:29] <alan_o> KotH: Uni is cheap here too, if you go to a state college/university in your state.
  • [16:54:30] <KotH> alan_o: we dont send enough people ot higher education :(
  • [16:54:35] <Sy_> Trying to find the name of the HTTPD server used in the vanilla install of Angstrom on the BBB and also the location of the files, anyone?
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  • [16:55:04] <KotH> alan_o: but everyone has an equal chance and you can catch up at most points. it's just a lot of work and it gets a lot harder when you dont do it the standard way
  • [16:55:25] <KotH> Sy_: try lighttpd
  • [16:55:30] <KotH> Sy_: if it isnt, try boa
  • [16:55:36] <alan_o> KotH: too many people though think they have to go to private school, and come out with loans of 100k and a degree in something they can't get a job with. Because the whole time you're told "college isn't about job training, it's about being a more educated person"
  • [16:55:51] <KotH> alan_o: lol
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  • [16:56:19] <KotH> alan_o: 1) uni is about being educated. 2) you should still think about what you want to work as afterwards and choose your topic wisely
  • [16:56:34] <alan_o> KotH: seems clear enough to me, and it was back then too...
  • [16:56:46] <KotH> alan_o: i know a few people who studied weird stuff... one of them did japanese with cinematology as minor
  • [16:56:48] <alan_o> KotH: but people in humanities actively tell you otherwise.
  • [16:56:54] <KotH> alan_o: now he is an english teacher in japan :)
  • [16:57:03] <alan_o> KotH: I was about to ask starbucks :)
  • [16:57:04] <KotH> alan_o: lol
  • [16:57:24] <mranostay> alan_o: problem is any degree i would take now doesn't pay anything :)
  • [16:57:26] <Sy_> Doesn't look like its lighttpd or boa, neigher of them show up as running processes....
  • [16:57:30] <KotH> alan_o: if i would study hummanities.. oh. i actually do ;-)... i would ask myself how i could find a job in that field
  • [16:57:38] <mranostay> what KotH said
  • [16:57:38] <ka6sox> Sy_, try httpd
  • [16:57:39] <Guser> ka6sox: could you reference me to a wiki or a howto enable the UART5?
  • [16:57:56] <mranostay> KotH: well you could at half what you make now :)
  • [16:57:58] <ka6sox> Guser, right now we are team writing that document...
  • [16:57:59] <KotH> alan_o: if you are interested in your field and thus become good at it, you will find a way to apply that field to a job
  • [16:58:00] <ka6sox> :)
  • [16:58:10] <Guser> ka6sox, hehe - thanks then :)
  • [16:58:27] <koen> Sy_: bone101 spawns a nodejs process listending on port 80
  • [16:58:33] <alan_o> KotH: yeah, but people expect that "I got a degree in philosophy, so come hire me now please"
  • [16:58:43] <ka6sox> koen, thanks!
  • [16:58:48] <KotH> mranostay: studying is just a hobby for me. i am not going to work as a psychologist in the future
  • [16:59:02] <KotH> mranostay: i due it purely to become "a more educated person" :)
  • [16:59:13] <Sy_> ok, it isn't httpd either, I think it is nodejs.
  • [16:59:13] <alan_o> KotH: "oh, and I want 150k, because I'm wrote _good_ papers in school."
  • [16:59:14] <KotH> alan_o: you really have shitheads like this?
  • [16:59:34] <KotH> alan_o: humanities here at least have the decency to know that they have a degree that is not worth much in a job search
  • [16:59:38] <panto> KotH, .gr is full of them!
  • [16:59:41] <Sy_> yep, process list shows node and node 4
  • [17:00:06] <panto> we have something like a gazillion humanities/useless degree holders
  • [17:00:26] <panto> all waiting in line to be hired as teachers
  • [17:00:33] <KotH> eh..
  • [17:00:46] <KotH> panto: let me guess, and you have a big lack of science and math teachers?
  • [17:00:52] <mranostay> panto: you mean my BA in Dance won't pay anything?
  • [17:01:04] <alan_o> KotH: we have lots of people like that. The problem is, people aren't smart when they're 18, and guidance counselors and University staff fail them.
  • [17:01:16] <KotH> alan_o: and their parents too
  • [17:01:23] <m_billybob> mranostay, under water dance ?
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  • [17:01:30] <panto> KotH, there are plenty of them too
  • [17:01:31] <mranostay> m_billybob: that is my minor
  • [17:01:34] <m_billybob> aka underwater basket weaving . . .
  • [17:01:35] <mranostay> how did you know?
  • [17:01:35] <alan_o> KotH: but a lot of parents don't know.
  • [17:01:51] <m_billybob> lol just being a smart ass is all mranostay ;)
  • [17:01:54] <panto> unfortunately their career track was just 'be a highschool math-teacher'
  • [17:01:54] <KotH> alan_o: if had choosen something that was obvious to not earn me any money, my mother would have beaten the shit out of me
  • [17:02:13] <alan_o> oh yeah. Your mother had sense. Mine did too.
  • [17:02:21] <KotH> alan_o: huh? how come? i mean... you know how the world works, if oyu are 30+?
  • [17:02:37] <m_billybob> KotH, *maybe*
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  • [17:02:55] <alan_o> KotH: lots of people don't know how the world works.
  • [17:03:09] <KotH> alan_o: on the other hand, if i had a good argument, how i still could earn money with something like that, she wouldnt have said anything ;)
  • [17:03:37] <KotH> alan_o: yeah.. stupidity prevails
  • [17:04:00] <m_billybob> morning all btw
  • [17:04:17] <alan_o> m_billybob: hi
  • [17:04:29] <m_billybob> KotH a fine JIHAD to you this day :)
  • [17:04:54] <KotH> yeah! a wonderfull educational JIHAD to you too!
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  • [17:05:39] <clive> Hi any one to chat
  • [17:05:50] <clive> I am a begineer in using beaglebone
  • [17:05:50] <maxinux> wassup
  • [17:05:55] <m_billybob> ask away
  • [17:06:19] <clive> I am trying to install the drivers on windows 8 64-bit but I have a problem
  • [17:06:26] <clive> can you help please?
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  • [17:06:51] <m_billybob> clive ther is a special way to boot into windows 8 to allow um the drivers to be installed
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  • [17:07:14] <clive> It is saying "current language not supported"
  • [17:07:15] <m_billybob> they are uncertified or somethignf like that. *brain not entirerly awake this mornign yet*
  • [17:07:16] <clive> help please
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  • [17:07:50] <m_billybob> yeah that i cant help with but perhaps search the google groups for "beagle bone" windows 8 locale.
  • [17:08:01] <clive> On my PC I don`t have ethernet connector
  • [17:08:14] <clive> Can I use USB to connect with board?
  • [17:08:21] <alan_o> clive: iPad?
  • [17:08:24] <m_billybob> yes, once the driver are installed
  • [17:08:30] <m_billybob> windows 9 alan_o
  • [17:08:33] <m_billybob> err 8
  • [17:08:39] <clive> no acer aspire without ethernet connector
  • [17:08:41] <Marc_SSL> Hi, quick question if anyone could please answer it. When I follow the Angstrom instructions on building the Linux Image, I can find the uImage after successfully building, but where do I find the the MLO, uEnv.txt, u-boot.bin, and the rootfs.tar.gz or other equivalent filesystem?
  • [17:09:02] <Rickta59> it doesn't build the image file Marc_SSL
  • [17:09:45] <Rickta59> easiest to using and existing sdcard image and just overlay
  • [17:09:46] <Marc_SSL> Rickta59: What does it build, just the uImage?
  • [17:09:56] <Rickta59> an existing
  • [17:10:09] <Marc_SSL> So I can grab a rootfs off of Narcissus and use that with the uImage I built?
  • [17:10:10] <m_billybob> clive, anyhow once you have the drivers from the link in start.htm installed, you can use TCP/IP from your computer tothe beagleboard black
  • [17:10:26] <m_billybob> clive over USB that is
  • [17:10:44] <Rickta59> i download the latest binary .xy image
  • [17:10:50] <Rickta59> then mounted in my desktop
  • [17:10:55] <clive> What about the "current langugae not supported ""????
  • [17:10:57] <Rickta59> and copied over the top
  • [17:11:10] <m_billybob> clive fo rthat search the beagleboard google groups
  • [17:11:11] <clive> What about the "current langugae not supported ""???? when I run the drivers
  • [17:11:39] <m_billybob> clive, if you dont find a solution on the beagleboard google groups, then ask on there.
  • [17:11:46] <Marc_SSL> Is there a guide somewhere that shows how to do this? I'm trying to get a Driver Module/patch running on Angstrom, and have been hitting some road blocks. I'm still pretty fresh at Linux.
  • [17:12:07] <Rickta59> mined end up in $HOME/angstrom/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/deploy/images/beaglebone
  • [17:12:22] <Rickta59> mine
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  • [17:13:05] <clive_> HI
  • [17:13:13] <Rickta59> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ did you find that one Marc_SSL ?
  • [17:13:27] <Marc_SSL> setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-mainline-3.2.28-r122a
  • [17:13:32] <Marc_SSL> in there i find a bunch of uImages
  • [17:13:35] <Marc_SSL> but I also find one in...
  • [17:13:38] <clive_> I am trying to install beaglebone 64 bit drivers on windows 8 but it says "current language not supported"
  • [17:13:52] <Rickta59> you should be looking at the one in the deploy
  • [17:13:53] <Marc_SSL> setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-mainline-3.2.28-r122a/image
  • [17:13:53] <clive_> Can someone help please
  • [17:13:56] <Marc_SSL> Ok
  • [17:13:56] <m_billybob> clive, if you dont find a solution on the beagleboard google groups, then ask on there.
  • [17:14:13] <ka6sox> clive, clive_ asking over and over won't get you the answer.
  • [17:14:32] <Rickta59> after you find the rootfs.tar.bz2 use 'How to Unpack and Boot the Demo Image - the hard way'
  • [17:14:50] <Marc_SSL> So if I find the repository for the BBxM, I can grab that rootfs and use the uImage I built?
  • [17:14:59] <KotH> alan_o: http://i.imgur.com/BpZjeXY.jpg :-)
  • [17:15:21] <ka6sox> m_billybob, +1
  • [17:15:31] <Rickta59> sorry those were instuctions for the beaglebone black
  • [17:15:39] <Rickta59> i know nothing about the xM
  • [17:15:49] <Marc_SSL> No worries, I guess I just have more of a general question.
  • [17:16:02] <ka6sox> clive clive_ look at the ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist for this answer
  • [17:16:16] <clive> thanks
  • [17:16:17] <Marc_SSL> If I'm trying to add drivers to Angstrom, can I build the uImage and use the default Angstrom rootfs with this new Image?
  • [17:16:19] <Rickta59> if you added devices to the image there are libs and firmware possible that need to be in your file system
  • [17:16:22] <clive> i TRY TO FIND IT NOW
  • [17:16:23] <ka6sox> if you don't see that question being asked there *then* ask it...
  • [17:16:36] <ka6sox> THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND GOODNIGHT
  • [17:16:46] <alan_o> KotH: hehe :)
  • [17:16:51] <Marc_SSL> Alright, then is it possible to build the rootfs using the oeb.sh or whatever it is and bitbake?
  • [17:17:00] <ka6sox> yes
  • [17:17:05] <Rickta59> that seems to be the most successful way
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  • [17:17:27] <Marc_SSL> Ok, where can I find the commands or build the rootfs.tar.gz or whatever, or where do I find it after I built?
  • [17:18:38] <Rickta59> * bookmarked too many bogus links
  • [17:18:50] <clive> I cannot fine this group ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist ?? How to go there?
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  • [17:20:00] <KotH> http://i.imgur.com/9SN9wU7.jpg <- for the usians here
  • [17:20:41] <cmicali> yeah that 11 seconds of eurovision spam was pretty rough
  • [17:20:42] <Sy_> struggling to find any infomation of location of configuration or files that nodejs serves up.
  • [17:20:43] <cmicali> glad it's over
  • [17:21:00] <Marc_SSL> Rickta59: Sorry to bother you, I guess I'm just trying to figure this out as soon as possible. Is it possible to put my driver into a module and load it on a prebuilt image?
  • [17:21:20] <Rickta59> there are several ways
  • [17:21:23] <Rickta59> the bitbake way
  • [17:21:40] <Rickta59> setup your beagle with a deve system and kernel headers
  • [17:21:45] <Rickta59> dev
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  • [17:21:53] <Rickta59> switch distros
  • [17:22:03] <Rickta59> all my links are related to the BBB
  • [17:22:50] <Marc_SSL> I'm sure I could still learn the general gist if you have a few very useful ones.
  • [17:22:51] <Rickta59> * time to cull all the ones with misleading info from my bookmarks
  • [17:22:51] <koen> Marc_SSL: bitbake <something>-image
  • [17:22:54] <thurgood> I use the oe/bitbake system.. pretty straight forward although it takes a while
  • [17:23:11] <panto> ok, google doc setup
  • [17:23:11] <Marc_SSL> koen: I used that and when I did I can't find the rootfs, just the uImage
  • [17:23:16] <koen> Marc_SSL: you need to decide which image you want, it will only built a rootfs if you ask it to build a rootfs
  • [17:23:34] <Marc_SSL> Oh, what is the command to build a rootfs then?
  • [17:23:48] <koen> Marc_SSL: what command did you issue and what files did you find in deploy/<machine>/ ?
  • [17:23:51] <thurgood> did you build console-image, or better?
  • [17:24:12] <Marc_SSL> MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel -c deploy
  • [17:24:14] <Marc_SSL> is what I used
  • [17:24:18] <Marc_SSL> I think I want console-image though
  • [17:24:26] <thurgood> that would build only the kernel :)
  • [17:24:30] <Marc_SSL> I'm trying to add a camera driver I modified to the kernel
  • [17:24:38] <Marc_SSL> D'Oh! xD
  • [17:24:39] <thurgood> and the necessary support files
  • [17:24:43] <Marc_SSL> Well ok haha
  • [17:24:47] <Marc_SSL> So do I want console-image?
  • [17:25:02] <Marc_SSL> in my deploy file I found:
  • [17:25:09] <thurgood> if you want just the console for your rootfs, yes
  • [17:25:50] <Marc_SSL> Console meaning I would have to minicom in and use command line?
  • [17:25:56] <thurgood> don't remember what builds the X11environment anymore, but you can probably find that info easily on the angstrom site
  • [17:26:04] <thurgood> no
  • [17:26:04] <m_billybob> ka6sox, yeah that question had been asked and possibly answered on the googlegroups. I dont read every single message, and typically just auto delete repeats that arent of interrest to me :/
  • [17:26:28] <thurgood> console meaning local console
  • [17:26:28] * m_billybob gets like 100 mails a day
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  • [17:27:05] <thurgood> direct framebuffer through (generally) text
  • [17:27:34] * panto releases the kraken: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?usp=sharing
  • [17:27:38] <thurgood> no XWindows
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  • [17:27:46] <Marc_SSL> Alright, so what exactly does console-image build?
  • [17:27:50] <cmicali> panto nice
  • [17:28:29] <Marc_SSL> All I need is a command line only (no GUI) Angstrom
  • [17:28:34] <thurgood> not sure exactly, it builds a good framework that you can add to with opkg though
  • [17:28:47] <Marc_SSL> Oh perfect, so it builds something that will boot?
  • [17:28:50] <m_billybob> Marc_SSL for me it built everything but the rootfs
  • [17:28:57] <m_billybob> on the beaglebone black
  • [17:29:03] <Marc_SSL> m_billybob: How did you get the rootfs then?
  • [17:29:03] <m_billybob> well for*
  • [17:29:06] <thurgood> yes
  • [17:29:21] <thurgood> it will build the rootfs
  • [17:29:24] <m_billybob> Marc_SSL i quite messing with IE / bb shortly after that
  • [17:29:31] <m_billybob> OE*
  • [17:29:58] <Marc_SSL> Ok, so it sounds like I need to try console-image, I will repeat what I did but not use virtual/kernel this time :P
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  • [17:30:08] <koen> panto: s/eMCC/eMMC/ in the faq
  • [17:30:09] <Marc_SSL> Thank you all for the great advice, I'll let you know how it goes
  • [17:30:28] <panto> koen, good catch
  • [17:30:37] <m_billybob> Marc_SSL, good luck :)
  • [17:30:49] <Marc_SSL> m_billybob: Thanks!
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  • [17:32:17] <m_billybob> thurgood, so i wonder why it didnt not build the rootfs for me ? I only built console-image, and not virtual/kernel?
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  • [17:32:47] <m_billybob> After 3-4 days i lost patience finding instructions so just gave up.
  • [17:33:11] <zzz> Hi! I would like to ask whether it is possible to get a summary of Angstrom Distribution changes for the recent images published on the official BBB site?
  • [17:33:21] <koen> panto: in the dtbo example in the gpio2_8 comment: s/hardward/hardware/
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  • [17:34:41] <ka6sox> zzz, there are commit comments in the github repos with what changes have been done.
  • [17:35:28] <koen> panto: and can you rename peripheral1 to peripheral0, my browser font makes it hard to distinguish between '1' and 'l'
  • [17:36:17] <zzz> ka6sox, thanks.
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  • [17:39:24] <ka6sox> arrrrrgh...is musb any better in 3.x kernels?
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  • [17:41:03] <ka6sox> anyone ssh'd into a BBB that can: cat /etc/bonetag and post it here?
  • [17:41:22] <koen> dogtag
  • [17:41:34] <ka6sox> dogtag...sorry
  • [17:41:40] <ka6sox> /etc/dogtag
  • [17:42:01] <_av500_> 4.x is all the rage
  • [17:42:26] <ka6sox> _av500_, for what?
  • [17:42:28] <georgem> ka6sox: FWIW 3.8.x was pretty broken on beaglebone until just a couple of days ago when koen pushed this commit: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/commit/35a3abaaa7a44cdec3e4c63407b48d7cdc2a8533
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  • [17:43:08] <_av500_> ka6sox: musb
  • [17:43:20] <_av500_> by then it will get backports from 6.x
  • [17:43:27] * ka6sox mutters to himself....
  • [17:43:31] <_av500_> time travell
  • [17:43:37] <ka6sox> -l
  • [17:43:42] <_av500_> +1
  • [17:43:58] <Sy_> There are several books available on Amazon for Angstrom and beaglebone, can anyone reccommend one ?
  • [17:43:58] <ka6sox> you have proven koen's point about 1 and l
  • [17:44:19] <georgem> Sy_: I think you have to go to a university to learn about that.
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  • [17:44:24] <cmicali> ka6sox: Cloud9 GNOME Image 2013.05.20
  • [17:44:48] <georgem> Sy_: j/k. I haven't seen the books. There is plenty of free info online though.
  • [17:44:51] <ka6sox> cmicali, thanks
  • [17:44:59] <_av500_> Sy_: whihc ones?
  • [17:45:07] <Sy_> mmmm... :) I'm 43, been coding since the says of the zx81....I think I'm ok :)
  • [17:45:26] <_av500_> phew, I'm not the oldest here....
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  • [17:45:33] <Sy_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=angstrom+linux&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aangstrom+linux
  • [17:45:49] <georgem> Sy_: I know. I'm just kidding. It was in reference to something that was being discussed earlier.
  • [17:45:56] <Sy_> My favourite home PC was the C64
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  • [17:46:00] <Sy_> loved 6502
  • [17:46:06] <panto> Sy_, +10000
  • [17:46:08] <ka6sox> Sy_, +1
  • [17:46:14] <panto> cut my teeth there too
  • [17:46:21] <ka6sox> okay +1e28
  • [17:46:32] <_av500_> Sy_: one is not even out
  • [17:46:32] <Sy_> Raster interrupts, remember the first time I got 64 sprites on the display very cool.
  • [17:46:38] <_av500_> the other is from jkridner_
  • [17:46:43] <panto> and this has been a display of who's an old fart at #beagle...
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  • [17:47:22] <georgem> yeah. sad to say that was a bit before my time.
  • [17:47:24] <joel_> l
  • [17:47:32] <_av500_> m
  • [17:47:37] <ka6sox> n
  • [17:48:06] <ogra_> o
  • [17:48:06] <joel_> :-) blame it on the ssh connection
  • [17:48:21] <ka6sox> works fo rme
  • [17:49:21] <panto> guys, don't just lurk on the doc, make changes where you see fit
  • [17:50:39] <Sy_> Was looking for something to give me a bit more background on Angstrom, have been using Centos at work, normally work with QNX....
  • [17:50:48] <_av500_> who is the squirrel?
  • [17:51:09] <Sy_> Haven't got a clue on nodejs, where to find the config and document root, have used Apache lots.
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  • [17:51:34] <_av500_> where is <blink>?
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  • [17:54:10] <ka6sox> panto, I don't see it!
  • [17:54:14] <ka6sox> or I would help.
  • [17:54:22] <panto> ka6sox, see what?
  • [17:54:53] <panto> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?usp=sharing
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  • [18:00:29] <Sy_> So where are you guys from?
  • [18:00:38] <panto> we come from the internets
  • [18:00:39] <Humpelstilzchen> Sol
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  • [18:02:33] <_av500_> I'm just line noise
  • [18:02:54] <mdp> it's cold as hell out here where I am
  • [18:02:58] * Humpelstilzchen attaches a few caps on av500
  • [18:03:15] <SpeedEvil> mdp: 3 kelvin?
  • [18:03:23] <Sy_> Summer has been very dull and pityful this year
  • [18:03:30] <panto> mdp, are you superconducting?
  • [18:04:17] <mdp> and supercolliding
  • [18:04:31] <_av500_> panto: I fixed you all cases of double space :)
  • [18:04:37] <panto> lol
  • [18:04:42] <panto> thx
  • [18:04:46] <_av500_> np
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  • [18:04:55] <_av500_> now working on the kerning
  • [18:04:57] <panto> I think you've also added a new Q & A
  • [18:05:05] <panto> I was hoping mru would do that
  • [18:06:16] <_av500_> he can polish some glyphs
  • [18:06:39] <thurgood> are the sgx modules for the omap3530 compatible with the dm3730
  • [18:06:46] <_av500_> no
  • [18:06:55] <_av500_> I think not
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  • [18:07:37] <Sy_> FInally....found it the default doc.root is in /usr/share/bone101/
  • [18:08:21] <_av500_> panto: noooo
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  • [18:08:37] <mranostay> *whew* the channel has calmed down
  • [18:08:43] <panto> I think a bear is messing with comic sans
  • [18:08:54] <_av500_> roar
  • [18:09:02] <_av500_> mranostay: yes, panto set us on a task
  • [18:09:16] <_av500_> DDD
  • [18:09:20] <_av500_> deface dt doc
  • [18:09:36] <panto> I read that as bra size
  • [18:09:39] <panto> I was confused
  • [18:10:58] <georgem> yes, much calmer now
  • [18:11:16] <_av500_> I took my meds
  • [18:11:21] <koen> thurgood: sort of
  • [18:11:29] <koen> thurgood: the kernel modules are, the userspace libs aren't
  • [18:11:42] <koen> thurgood: the sgx in the 3530 needs a lot (>100) sw fallbacks
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  • [18:12:16] <_av500_> ah right
  • [18:12:29] <_av500_> s in sgx means SW
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  • [18:13:09] <mranostay> panto: this is a family channel
  • [18:15:00] <panto> time to eat dinner
  • [18:15:03] <georgem> Has anyone tried booting the am335x-evm with a recent 3.8 beagle kernel?
  • [18:15:04] <panto> later
  • [18:15:07] <georgem> later
  • [18:16:12] <_av500_> georgem: send me one :)
  • [18:17:13] <georgem> _av500_: I don't have one either otherwise I'd try it. I'm just curious because I'm working on some hardware know that also has the tps65910
  • [18:17:27] <georgem> s/know/now/
  • [18:18:22] <_av500_> ah
  • [18:18:46] <_av500_> im lost in all these TPS versions
  • [18:19:15] <georgem> _av500_: yeah, me too.
  • [18:19:33] <_av500_> in the beginning there was Triton
  • [18:20:01] <_av500_> and TI saw it and it as bad and they made 100 different offspring
  • [18:20:46] <mranostay> _av500_: maybe one will be a NBA star
  • [18:21:13] <_av500_> panto: are you adding them to annoy me?
  • [18:21:28] <_av500_> or you learned that in typewriter school?
  • [18:21:53] <mranostay> typewriter school?
  • [18:22:06] <thurgood> koen can both user libs be installed concurrently on the the same system?
  • [18:22:25] <mranostay> KotH: what are your views on chocolate + coffee drinks?
  • [18:23:21] <thurgood> I suppose I'd need to free the version pins to detect which libs to use at runtime...
  • [18:23:26] <_av500_> thurgood: if you change lib paths at runtime, ssure
  • [18:23:33] <georgem> mranostay: Try to "stir" up trouble again?
  • [18:23:44] <georgem> Trying*
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  • [18:27:07] <KotH> mranostay: swiss chocolate is good, coffee drinks are an abomination that should have never left the us
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  • [18:28:36] <alan_o> KotH: for a while it was a big deal on local news (seemingly a story every couple of weeks) that those coffee drinks are horrible for you (800+ calories). the shock and outrage that drinking chocolate and foam and sugar isn't free.
  • [18:29:04] <KotH> rotfl
  • [18:29:11] <alan_o> Apparently people actually thought "oh it's just coffee"
  • [18:29:19] * georgem sips on some water
  • [18:29:33] * alan_o is about to head to chipotle :)
  • [18:29:59] <koen> thurgood: yes, that's what angstrom does
  • [18:30:10] <mranostay> georgem: always
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  • [18:30:45] * mranostay heads to the chipotle like place in the cafe
  • [18:32:10] <georgem> The amount of sodium in their food is alarming
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  • [18:36:19] <KotH> as long there is enough chlorine to balance the charge....
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  • [18:38:12] <_av500_> http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/05/21/so-in-dubai-the-amount-of-abandoned-luxury-cars-lying-around-is-kind-of-a-problem/
  • [18:38:19] <_av500_> so thats where koen got the ferrari
  • [18:38:25] <georgem> KotH: Plenty of NaCl indeed
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  • [18:39:58] <Sy_> cu l8r...
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  • [18:40:50] * georgem rebuilds the engine in his 1995 mazda
  • [18:42:21] <KotH> why?
  • [18:42:23] <levi> What kind of mazda?
  • [18:42:43] <KotH> mazdas back then were the cheap shit you'd buy when you couldnt aford a real car
  • [18:42:56] <_av500_> KotH: alsways diplomatic
  • [18:42:58] <KotH> and they weren't even beautiful or had stile like some other sit
  • [18:43:12] <KotH> style*
  • [18:43:41] <KotH> _av500_: georgem hasn't been very diplomatic either...
  • [18:43:53] <levi> The '95 RX7 was beautiful.
  • [18:44:10] <_av500_> wnakel ftw
  • [18:44:16] <_av500_> wankel even
  • [18:44:28] <mru> wanker engine
  • [18:44:28] <KotH> ok..if it had a wankel motor, then i could understand it :)
  • [18:44:39] <KotH> crazy stuff that...
  • [18:44:54] <georgem> 96 mazda 626. 280k Mi original engine and transmission
  • [18:44:57] <georgem> 95*
  • [18:45:06] <levi> 95 Miata was not bad either, though not quite as beatiful as the RX7.
  • [18:45:10] <panto> back
  • [18:45:19] <KotH> panto: how was lunch?
  • [18:45:34] <panto> light
  • [18:45:38] <mru> long
  • [18:45:45] <panto> just some crackers+salmon
  • [18:45:53] <panto> mru, it's too early for the long dinner
  • [18:46:04] <panto> a good 2 hours early
  • [18:46:26] <mru> salmon, ugh
  • [18:46:34] <KotH> good salmon is good
  • [18:46:44] <KotH> but i prefere tuna for sashimi :)
  • [18:46:45] <mru> never seen any
  • [18:46:53] <georgem> KotH: Nothing fast or fancy but engineered to last
  • [18:48:09] <KotH> georgem: doing it just for fun or with a purpose?
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  • [18:49:01] <mru> purpose of having fun
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  • [18:49:55] <georgem> a bit of both I guess. also nice to be able to take all of money I'm saving on car payments and insurance and invest it.
  • [18:50:48] <KotH> georgem: hmm..i was to redo my car myself, there would be a damn lot to pay to get it certified for street use
  • [18:51:13] <georgem> KotH: that would suck. here in the US I don't even have to have it inspected.
  • [18:51:15] <KotH> more than i would ahve to pay to get a good used car
  • [18:51:29] <KotH> ^^'
  • [18:51:51] <mru> do you even have a car?
  • [18:51:51] <KotH> mandantory inspection every year for cars older than 15y or so
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  • [18:52:00] <KotH> mru: sure i do
  • [18:52:22] <maxinux> some states have yearly inspections
  • [18:52:23] <mru> you never mentioned it before
  • [18:52:28] <maxinux> massachusettes comes to mind
  • [18:52:36] <georgem> maxinux: yes, true
  • [18:52:45] <KotH> mru: i like to keep some mysteries about me :)
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  • [18:53:16] <bradfa> panto, ka6sox, mdp, +1 for the dt write up :)
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  • [18:53:29] <georgem> KotH: I also figured if this learning experience went well I could do something a bit more expensive/ambitious the next time around.
  • [18:53:40] <mdp> bradfa, panto panto panto ;)
  • [18:53:53] <bradfa> mdp, congrats on the new job, too :)
  • [18:54:01] <mdp> thanks, bradfa
  • [18:54:05] <mru> hm?
  • [18:54:13] <KotH> hm^2?
  • [18:55:36] <KotH> mru: while we are at mystries, you might find it interestig, that i'm trying to aquire a crystal oscillator that costs as much as a medium sized car :)
  • [18:56:20] <georgem> KotH: Crystal? Or cesium oscillator?
  • [18:56:27] <KotH> crystal
  • [18:56:40] <KotH> a cs beam is slightly more expensive
  • [18:57:21] <KotH> and as far as i'm aware of, there are no cs "oscillators" (or masers how they are called)
  • [18:57:38] <mru> crystalline cesium
  • [18:57:46] <KotH> only beams, fountains and vapors
  • [18:57:50] <georgem> Ah.. ok.
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  • [18:58:11] <georgem> Does it have an extremely low ppm error?
  • [18:58:29] <KotH> you aint measuring that in ppm anymore
  • [18:58:41] <KotH> and it's not error, but stability
  • [18:58:58] <georgem> right
  • [18:59:06] <KotH> region of 10^-13 for a couple of 100s
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  • [19:00:40] * KotH gives georgem a nickel... there buy a real clock
  • [19:00:52] <mastiff_> how much power can that crystal take?
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  • [19:01:29] <KotH> ?
  • [19:01:40] <mastiff_> is it for a laser?
  • [19:02:00] <mru> dilithium crystal?
  • [19:02:02] <panto> err, some edits are bad
  • [19:02:15] <mru> edit wars!
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  • [19:02:50] <KotH> mastiff_: yes and no. yes it's for a laser system, no it's not for the laser itself
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  • [19:03:14] <georgem> Building a fusion reactor?
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  • [19:03:26] <bradfa> wait, we're putting lasers on beagles?
  • [19:03:27] <KotH> that would involve less reading books
  • [19:03:34] <mastiff_> what makes it so expensive though, the stability or power handling or other?
  • [19:03:35] <KotH> bradfa: yeah.. run out of sharks
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  • [19:03:46] <KotH> mastiff_: the stability
  • [19:03:46] <mru> bradfa: shark cape
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  • [19:04:30] <KotH> mastiff_: up to 1000s it's on par with a cs beam standard, up to a couple s it's better than any h-maser
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  • [19:05:18] <mastiff_> are you using the stability for making short pulses?
  • [19:05:46] <KotH> nope
  • [19:06:07] <KotH> lasers will be operating cs
  • [19:06:08] <KotH> cw
  • [19:06:58] <KotH> and if, i would build a mode locked fs laser myself... but that would involve some serious experimental physics stuff i cannot do at home
  • [19:07:12] <bradfa> panto, it just kicked me out
  • [19:07:23] <panto> bradfa, yes
  • [19:07:26] <panto> sorry
  • [19:07:29] <bradfa> like can't even read
  • [19:07:30] <panto> some bad edits going on
  • [19:07:35] <bradfa> understood
  • [19:07:39] <panto> I'll turn on read and grant access
  • [19:07:44] <thurgood> koen thanks for the advice to drop x-loader and use just the files from uboot
  • [19:08:01] <mastiff_> i did some experiments with Ti saphire lasers, but didn't get the chance to get into setting them up personally
  • [19:08:28] <panto> ok, granted
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  • [19:08:33] <bradfa> thanks
  • [19:08:36] <mastiff_> it was a transient absorption spectroscopy setup
  • [19:08:56] <KotH> mastiff_: http://www.memegen.com/meme/ijko5v
  • [19:09:43] <panto> ok, opened up for comments
  • [19:09:54] <panto> anyone needing write access please ask for it
  • [19:10:10] <mastiff_> Usually starts with buying a very expensive table.
  • [19:10:15] <KotH> panto: passing around +v?
  • [19:11:37] <georgem> KotH: Sounds like fun stuff
  • [19:12:01] <_av500_> panto: I see you kicked me out :)
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  • [19:12:25] <panto> _av500_, log in and ask for perms
  • [19:12:28] <KotH> georgem: it is... i'm just lacking of a lot understanding in physics and math to do the design... and knowledge in mechanics and electronics to build it
  • [19:12:35] <panto> the internets are dangerous
  • [19:12:54] <KotH> panto: the internets are serious business
  • [19:13:02] <panto> serious business
  • [19:13:02] <KotH> panto: ..or tubes
  • [19:13:16] <_av500_> panto: er, where?
  • [19:13:27] <georgem> KotH: Thats why you have friends in the physics department at the University, to leech their knowledge :)
  • [19:13:40] <KotH> georgem: i have, and it's over the top of their head :)
  • [19:14:01] <panto> _av500_, just paste your email address you use to login to google services
  • [19:14:40] <KotH> georgem: beside... you cannot leech that kind of knowledge. you have to aquire it yourself
  • [19:14:46] <georgem> KotH: I can sympathize with that (although I'm no physicist).
  • [19:15:31] <KotH> georgem: well.. that's why i recently bought a couple of physics books...
  • [19:15:47] <KotH> a few of those are actually quite good bedtime reads
  • [19:16:02] <georgem> KotH: Cool
  • [19:16:23] <georgem> Better than wasting time in the physics department as a TA :P
  • [19:17:19] <KotH> i actually thought aboute taking a few lectures in modern physics... but the prob is, i have no chance to follow a class full of physics students who know multiple times of what i do in math and physics...
  • [19:17:23] <mru> ta is fun
  • [19:18:13] <georgem> Some people might be into that sort of thing but its not my cup of tea.
  • [19:18:38] * KotH is with mru there
  • [19:18:43] <KotH> ta is fun
  • [19:19:09] * KotH thinks about applying for a "ta" job in chemistry... teaching elementary school children :)
  • [19:22:48] <Guser> KotH: do what I do
  • [19:23:07] <Guser> KotH: online university on youtube :)
  • [19:23:11] <KotH> lol
  • [19:23:23] <Guser> works great I must say
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  • [19:23:35] <KotH> Guser: not structured enough
  • [19:23:36] <Guser> if you can sit on your chair for 3 hours and study (i think we all can)
  • [19:23:39] <KotH> Guser: missing a lot of stuff
  • [19:24:04] <Guser> KotH: you can find whole courses from well respected universities with homework and everything nowdays
  • [19:24:20] <KotH> Guser: even at graduate level?
  • [19:24:43] <KotH> Guser: i know there has been undergraduate stuff around since the 70s
  • [19:24:56] <KotH> Guser: the germans called it "Telekolleg" :)
  • [19:24:58] <Guser> KohT: I did a few sting theory classes...
  • [19:25:14] <KotH> Guser: simplified or the real stuff?
  • [19:25:14] <Guser> KotH: string theory*
  • [19:25:24] <Guser> KotH: the real stuff.
  • [19:25:33] <KotH> oh..kay...
  • [19:25:37] <mru> sting theory about wasps?
  • [19:25:39] <KotH> then i have to look at it again
  • [19:25:40] <Guser> KotH: look into it, you can find really nice stuff if you're into it
  • [19:26:01] <Guser> mru: *string theory
  • [19:26:05] <KotH> Guser: uhm.. i think you missed that before... i'm enrolled at our local university, working at my second degree :)
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  • [19:26:24] <KotH> Guser: beside doing a lot of other sciency stuff in my free time
  • [19:26:27] <georgem> KotH: So when you need it most you admit the University system fails you are you teach yourself. Yet suggest teaching yourself cannot suffice alone? Seems illogical to me.
  • [19:26:29] <Guser> KotH: oh.. yeah I missed that :)
  • [19:26:43] <KotH> georgem: nope, the university system doesnt fail
  • [19:26:44] <georgem> s/are/and/
  • [19:27:02] <KotH> georgem: my problem is that i have to pay my bills. ie i have to work.
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  • [19:27:22] <georgem> KotH: failed to teach you what you want to learn, no?
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  • [19:27:33] <KotH> georgem: nevertheless, i'm enrolled at the university and study psychology and chemistry
  • [19:27:53] <KotH> georgem: the physics stuff is for leasure in my other free time
  • [19:27:57] <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. no
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  • [19:28:47] <KotH> georgem: i cannot study _everything_ in parallel in one round at university. it's just not possible due to time restrictions
  • [19:29:24] <Guser> KotH: at the end of the day before I go to sleep I watch one lecture from a random subject which intrests me.. one at a time.
  • [19:29:31] <KotH> georgem: if i could, i would study full time at the universty and not work anymore. but who is then going to buy me chocolate?
  • [19:29:47] <Guser> gf? mom?
  • [19:29:52] <KotH> Guser: ah.. i read a random book on something that interest me :)
  • [19:29:59] <georgem> KotH: Maybe I would do that too if I could. This is the real world though :)
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  • [19:30:10] <ka6sox> KotH, you should start a chocolate export business...
  • [19:30:23] <KotH> Guser: my needs for chocolate are greater than you expect... and we are not talking about the amount of books i consume, yet :)
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  • [19:30:48] <Guser> KotH: hehehe allright then
  • [19:31:05] <georgem> Studying at the university doesn't feed/cloth/house 5 mouths.
  • [19:31:24] <KotH> ka6sox: would you be my faithfull customer and buy chocolate worth a couple 1000 CHF every month?
  • [19:31:32] <mranostay> goddamit this again?
  • [19:31:34] <KotH> georgem: that's why i work 80%
  • [19:31:44] <KotH> mranostay: go back to the bar!
  • [19:31:57] <mranostay> can't i'm at work
  • [19:32:10] <KotH> mranostay: then get a glass of water
  • [19:32:27] <panto> time to go
  • [19:32:30] <panto> bbt
  • [19:32:40] <KotH> panto: enjoy dinner
  • [19:32:54] <panto> heh, touch?
  • [19:33:51] <georgem> KotH: At one point I enrolled at a University while I was working, figured I'd give it a shot. I found they were openly hostile to anyone outside of their standard mold. Classes only offered during the middle of the work day, increased tuition rates for part time students, etc.
  • [19:34:11] <KotH> georgem: rotfl
  • [19:34:33] <KotH> georgem: classes are during work day because, classes _are_ the work of students
  • [19:34:46] <KotH> georgem: most universities do not expect people working full time
  • [19:34:53] <georgem> Right
  • [19:35:23] <georgem> Just one more reason they can kiss my ass :)
  • [19:35:29] <KotH> why?
  • [19:35:45] <KotH> i have classes in the middle of the day and i attend them
  • [19:35:54] <ka6sox> KotH, I don't think my Chocolate budget is that high
  • [19:36:10] <KotH> ka6sox: damn... and i had still hopes...
  • [19:36:14] <georgem> KotH: Maybe in your situation that would work. University is a 45 minute drive from my office
  • [19:36:26] <KotH> georgem: 30min here
  • [19:36:42] <ka6sox> mine depends on time of day
  • [19:36:42] <georgem> KotH: well, kudos for the determination
  • [19:36:52] <ka6sox> 8am: 30minutes 8pm: 10minutes
  • [19:37:03] <KotH> georgem: s/determination/crazyness/
  • [19:37:21] <KotH> ka6sox: eh.. conguested roads? :)
  • [19:37:36] <georgem> KotH: I tried it for a while and I decided benefit < cost
  • [19:38:09] <ka6sox> KotH, they are "fixing" the main road into Uni here.
  • [19:38:24] <KotH> ka6sox: for how many years?
  • [19:38:26] <ka6sox> and the alternative road has construction too.
  • [19:38:30] <ka6sox> 2yr so far...
  • [19:38:38] <KotH> not to bad
  • [19:38:49] <ka6sox> heh
  • [19:39:08] <KotH> ka6sox: they have been reconstructing the central train station here for 8 or 9 years
  • [19:39:19] <KotH> ka6sox: they are planing to continue for another 3 or so
  • [19:39:40] <ka6sox> this isn't like building a Base Tunnel...its a 4 lane road :P and straight even!
  • [19:39:41] <georgem> KotH: I live in the USA. What is a train station? lol
  • [19:40:11] <mru> KotH: like painting the forth bridge
  • [19:40:32] <georgem> And sense everyone drives... They need to park. And thats a whole mess in and of it self.
  • [19:40:33] <KotH> ka6sox: in our case, they are building a tunnel under the whole city... including a complete new train station underneath the old train station
  • [19:40:46] <ka6sox> KotH, thats not the same thing...
  • [19:40:57] <ka6sox> this is shoring up a road next to a creek
  • [19:40:58] <KotH> ka6sox: you know... siwss like to dig tunnels
  • [19:41:17] <ka6sox> if you didn't have mountains you wouldnt' have to do this you know...
  • [19:41:18] <KotH> swiss would build a tunnel under the creek
  • [19:41:21] <thurgood> does fbset give the pixel clock speed?
  • [19:41:38] <mru> it should
  • [19:41:48] <KotH> thurgood: i remember it telling something ot that amount somewhere
  • [19:41:57] <georgem> KotH: Live in switzerland? Closest I've been was Grenoble, France. I'd like to see Switzerland.
  • [19:41:58] <KotH> thurgood: but it's been >10y since i last used fbset
  • [19:42:02] <thurgood> that's what I thought, but was unsure
  • [19:42:34] <ka6sox> I just hope we won't have any more Shake and Bake here... an 1800 acre fire + 4.6 earthquake is not a good way to start a morning :P
  • [19:42:45] <KotH> ka6sox: ouch
  • [19:42:58] <KotH> ka6sox: any problems from the quacke?
  • [19:43:02] <KotH> quake*
  • [19:43:10] <georgem> 4.6 quake is pretty minimal
  • [19:43:49] <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. a 4.6 might kill people here...
  • [19:44:05] <KotH> georgem: we dont have our bookshelves fixed to the walls
  • [19:44:24] <georgem> KotH: ah ok. I grew in California so its different.
  • [19:44:28] <georgem> up*
  • [19:44:56] <KotH> georgem: i've been in .jp for some time, i know how fast you get used to shaking things
  • [19:45:33] <KotH> "oh.. the whole building is shaking"..."hmm.. it's still shaking"...."maybe i should hold my glass before it walks of the table"
  • [19:46:01] <georgem> yeah
  • [19:46:29] <ka6sox> georgem, I'm on the pacific plate....so I grew up with them too.
  • [19:46:59] <mru> there was a 3.8 quake in wales today
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  • [19:47:36] <georgem> I'm pretty sure we used to get those in California on a monthly basis.
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  • [19:47:51] <ka6sox> georgem, what part?
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  • [19:48:06] <georgem> ka6sox: Bay area
  • [19:48:14] <KotH> georgem: tokyo gets a 5 every month or two :)
  • [19:48:33] <ka6sox> KotH, but they have better engineered buildings
  • [19:48:33] <georgem> KotH: yeah. Japan wins that crown.
  • [19:48:40] <mru> KotH: I'm not in wales
  • [19:48:49] <KotH> ka6sox: i wouldnt call them engineered...
  • [19:49:06] <KotH> ka6sox: cardboard on sticks would be a better description
  • [19:49:13] <KotH> ka6sox: at least all the two story buildings
  • [19:49:25] <mru> whatever they are, they're still standing
  • [19:49:32] <ka6sox> mru, +1
  • [19:49:33] <KotH> ka6sox: taller buildings and those made of concrete are a different story
  • [19:50:07] <ka6sox> lunch time...bbl
  • [19:50:09] <georgem> Bamboo has a pretty high tensile strength
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  • [19:50:21] <KotH> yeah.. and they shake heavily when a japnese lory (aka 10t at most) passes on the main road that is 50m away
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  • [19:51:20] <KotH> no bamboo there
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  • [19:51:33] <georgem> ah ok
  • [19:52:05] <KotH> http://edgardurbin.com/Japan2006/Images/IMG_2261.jpg
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  • [19:52:11] <KotH> that's what they look like
  • [19:52:22] <KotH> put paper on all walls and you are done
  • [19:52:27] <KotH> (seriously)
  • [19:52:43] <KotH> construction time <5week, usually 3 weeks
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  • [19:53:36] <georgem> KotH: Can't tell from the picture. Are the joints reinforced with steel?
  • [19:53:57] <KotH> depends on the construction, some are, some are not
  • [19:54:11] <KotH> i've seen both, but cannot tell what the criteria are
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  • [19:55:15] <KotH> yeah.. definitly
  • [19:55:25] <KotH> and the isolation characteristics are the same
  • [19:55:51] <georgem> wood is pretty forgiving though. at least its not masonry.
  • [19:56:03] <georgem> That is when people really die. Like in Haiti
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  • [19:56:12] <koen> panto: can you add me as editor?
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  • [20:01:49] <KotH> he went for dinner
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  • [20:02:30] <KotH> ka6sox-away: damn you! now i'm contemplating buying books on japanese architecture!
  • [20:02:58] <KotH> ka6sox-away: as if i wouldnt have already used my book budget for this and next month already
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  • [20:21:23] <KotH> good night boys
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  • [20:33:17] <Gae> Hi
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  • [20:37:12] <djlewis1> lo
  • [20:37:32] <mru> z
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  • [20:43:50] <Sy_> Opened up a can of worms, I started off in the wrong direction with Heartbeat, apparently the better choice is corosync...but both require Pacemaker, having downloaded the source for Pacemaker, I'm having some problems getting the scripts to build.
  • [20:43:59] <Marc_SSL> koen: Are these your patches? https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beagleboard-3.2/patches/camera
  • [20:44:41] <Sy_> Unfortunately when I transferred the files using sftp the permissions were not transferred, so I'm having to set them manually....also some files seem to be named incorectly.
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  • [20:49:08] <m_billybob> ka6sox-away, ah when did this book hit the "shelf" ? beaglebone and the 3.8 kernel ?
  • [20:49:48] <ka6sox-away> m_billybob, its a WIP
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  • [20:50:02] <ka6sox-away> and was "published" prematurely imho
  • [20:50:26] <Rickta59> i thought he just posted so people could comment
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  • [20:51:22] <m_billybob> ka6sox-away, sorry what is a WIP ?
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  • [20:51:29] <ka6sox-away> Work In Progress.
  • [20:51:39] <m_billybob> ah yeah lol dawned on me just as you said it
  • [20:51:45] <m_billybob> whom do i give fedback to ?
  • [20:51:54] <m_billybob> feedback assuming its wanted
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  • [20:53:24] <Marc_SSL> Hi all, is it possible to use Angstrom's build steps and get something that is kernel version 2.6.32?
  • [20:53:41] <mranostay> anything is possible if you dream
  • [20:54:06] <m_billybob> dream != do;
  • [20:54:40] <Marc_SSL> Haha right, I'm trying to do the do part. What I need is a Angstrom kernel running on the BBxM with atleast opkg and some drivers I add.
  • [20:54:55] <Marc_SSL> I want to add these drivers: https://github.com/Aptina/BeagleBoard-xM/tree/master/MT9P031/Angstrom
  • [20:55:08] <Marc_SSL> Or maybe more updated drivers that work better.
  • [20:56:02] <m_billybob> I would assume it is possible, people are running 2.6.* on BBW's now.
  • [20:56:02] <georgem> Marc_SSL: You just want to rebuild the kernel and not userspace?
  • [20:56:21] <Marc_SSL> So far I've used the Narcissus Image Builder and, when they were available, I installed the mt9p031 package and got my camera to work correctly. I just could not change register values, I need to change a flag in the source code and reapply the drivers.
  • [20:56:39] <_av500_> if narcissus builds it, you can biuld it too
  • [20:57:12] <_av500_> you just need to know what to checkout from git
  • [20:57:19] <Marc_SSL> georgem: I think so. What I'm modifying are device drivers
  • [20:57:57] <Marc_SSL> _av500_: Is it possible to apply drivers/patches from the BBxM, as in while I'm actually on it doing stuff?
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  • [20:58:32] <cityLights> hi all
  • [20:58:42] <cityLights> I am trying to install arch linux
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  • [20:59:00] <georgem> Marc_SSL: If the driver was built out of tree as a module you could theoretically copy a new version over while it was running and modprobe it
  • [20:59:01] <cityLights> after I boot from the microsd all the leds power off
  • [20:59:19] <cityLights> when I press the power all the leds turn on
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  • [21:00:36] <cityLights> I followed the instruction at http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/beaglebone-black
  • [21:00:41] <Marc_SSL> georgem: Sorry about this next question, I'm kind of a Linux freshie, how do I make the drivers into a module?
  • [21:00:52] <cityLights> I am stuck at item 8 , how to boot?
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  • [21:02:03] <georgem> Marc_SSL: honestly it would probably be easier just to rebuild the kernel and replace the kernel & kernel-modules while the beaglebone is off with the new ones that you build.
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  • [21:03:56] <Marc_SSL> georgem: Alright, that is what I figured and currently am trying to do. I guess what I'm having trouble with, is how do I take some files that make up the driver and apply it to my Kernel. Right now I'm using the Angstrom's build guide, and have built something, but do I translate all the codes into a patch, or do I literally just dump them in the proper directory.
  • [21:04:28] <Marc_SSL> I notice on the Aptina instructions, it puts all the code in specific directories of the build tree then cross compiles, should I just mimic this?
  • [21:06:32] <georgem> Well... First try to build the kernel that want to run with the modifications. Once you get that to work you'll have to add the patches for the modifications.
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  • [21:06:42] <georgem> without the modifications*
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  • [21:07:57] <cityLights> does anyone here knows u-boot?
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  • [21:08:58] <Marc_SSL> georgem: Alright, as we speak I'm building a full kernel/fs, after I test it I will add patches. So I guess is it as simply as grabbing the camera patches someone else made and adding them to my kernel?
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  • [21:09:44] <petes> can anyone point me to the angstrom platform config file for the BBB? I want to see what everything is configured for pin wise, specifically w1
  • [21:09:47] <georgem> Marc_SSL: Yes. assuming there is no problems applying them (like the modifications were done to a different kernel version). You should be able to modify the recipe file to use the patches you want to add
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  • [21:10:54] <Marc_SSL> georgem: Perfect, alright, and I guess I just have to add them to the patch directory of my git tree and build?
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  • [21:17:54] <georgem> Yeah. Should be able to add them somewhere under sources/meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux or something similar to that.
  • [21:18:53] <ka6sox> petes, look in the dts files thats where that configuration is done
  • [21:19:05] <ka6sox> (this is kernel not OE)
  • [21:19:46] <ka6sox> petes, also here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit#heading=h.b2c8no6oayrb
  • [21:19:59] <ka6sox> however that is a Work In Progress but does explain how things are configured.
  • [21:20:03] <Marc_SSL> georgem: Perfect, thank you, I apologize for all the questions, I'm a bit of a freshie as I said earlier. I really appreciate it and will let you know how it goes.
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  • [21:21:10] <georgem> Marc_SSL: If you have problems ask back at other time. someone else will likely know more about the openembedded specific steps than I do
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  • [21:21:29] <Marc_SSL> georgem: I appreciate it! Thank you!
  • [21:21:47] <m_billybob> ka6sox, read half of it, and aside from a few minor gramaticall "errors" ( missing words etc ) seems pretty informative. It all still very confusing to me though, but thats most likly my fault not the books.
  • [21:22:09] <m_billybob> I'm still very new at this
  • [21:23:03] <m_billybob> asnwered on very important question i had. "do i need to recompile the kernel to ad new configuration settings"
  • [21:23:50] <Rickta59> soon enough that 11 year old will take care of it for you m_billybob
  • [21:23:51] <petes> looks like I have a lot of reading to do. arago seems so much easier
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  • [21:24:17] <m_billybob> Rick, as it stands wulf claims he
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  • [21:24:25] <m_billybob> ll handle it for me. we'll see
  • [21:24:55] <m_billybob> im dubious but he has surprised me from time to time
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  • [21:31:48] <russell--> petes: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/99zYYVH_m5A/GJUPlsbQgJYJ
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  • [21:33:10] <WanaGo> Can anyone tell me how many posts I need to make before my posts don't have to be approved to be viewed, or is it always like this?
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  • [21:34:22] <abetusk_w> is it possible to hook up a kinect to the beagle black board?
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  • [21:40:51] <petes> yeah I just found that russell. But really I'd like to find out what it's currently configured for
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  • [22:02:06] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone done DAB radio reception?
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  • [22:14:51] <mastiff_> I have rtl-sdr and gnu radio installed, seems to be working, but waiting on hdmi cable to test audio
  • [22:15:09] <petes> oh another thing. Trying to get my wifi dongle working but I get [ 20.114608] rtl8192cu: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin [ 20.117151] usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8192cu [ 20.142442] rtlwifi: Firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin not available
  • [22:15:37] <petes> anyone know why the module would be included but not the .bin files it needs?
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  • [22:19:12] <pres2300> anyone know what the tested operating temperature range of the beaglebone black is?
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  • [22:26:06] <thurgood> petes sometimes firmware is available separately
  • [22:27:16] <petes> will keep searching
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  • [22:32:37] <thurgood> woot... my conversion from 3530 to 3730 looks promising
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  • [22:35:35] <_av500_> thurgood: thin needle and a steady hand?
  • [22:37:36] <thurgood> no.... I know we're late to the upgrade party but I just had to get a board running with the new CPU
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  • [22:39:37] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: I have
  • [22:40:00] <_av500_> 10ys ago
  • [22:40:06] <SpeedEvil> _av500_: how did you do it?
  • [22:40:08] <SpeedEvil> oh
  • [22:40:09] <_av500_> boring
  • [22:40:19] <SpeedEvil> prime something
  • [22:40:26] <SpeedEvil> that tended to melt
  • [22:40:33] <_av500_> with a receiver that a friends company made
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  • [22:40:42] <SpeedEvil> oh
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  • [22:45:35] <_av500_> SpeedEvil: http://www.baycom.de/hardware/dabusb/
  • [22:45:50] <_av500_> still have thta thing somewhere
  • [22:46:00] <_av500_> bosch dfire
  • [22:46:01] <SpeedEvil> hmm
  • [22:46:40] <SpeedEvil> I'm ideally looking for something that can user the cheap USB ones
  • [22:48:12] <SpeedEvil> I have a broke waterproof dab radio I want to modernised
  • [22:48:51] <_av500_> well, there are DAB sticks, no?
  • [22:49:02] <_av500_> http://www.terratec.net/en/products/NOXON_DAB_Stick_150602.html
  • [22:49:19] <SpeedEvil> sure
  • [22:49:46] <SpeedEvil> Linux drivers on arm though
  • [22:51:21] <_av500_> ah
  • [22:51:28] <_av500_> no idea about driver situation
  • [22:51:52] <_av500_> http://linux.terratec.de/noxon_en.html
  • [22:52:29] <_av500_> terratec is usually cool about linux drivers
  • [22:52:32] <_av500_> given they have them
  • [22:52:39] <_av500_> which depends on thiier chipset partners
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  • [22:58:39] <mastiff_> I use the Terratec Tstick
  • [22:59:19] <mastiff_> it has the RTL2832U chipset and linux drivers
  • [22:59:31] <mastiff_> $15 off ebay
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  • [23:02:14] <SpeedEvil> mastiff_: For DAB?
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  • [23:03:57] <mastiff_> Not sure if it's for DAB natively or just digital video, I use it for cheap software radio.
  • [23:04:07] <mastiff_> no DAB in my area
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  • [23:04:52] <mastiff_> didn't see you're looking for dab specifc, not sure on that one.
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  • [23:06:12] <mastiff_> actually if you go to the rtl-sdr site, it shows that a bunch of those cheap usb dongles are DAB radios
  • [23:10:05] <SpeedEvil> Can you link - I seem not to have found that.
  • [23:12:00] <mastiff_> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
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  • [23:14:52] <kaektech> mastiff_: how went the gnuradio build? you did that on the bone right?
  • [23:15:05] <mastiff_> yeah, all on the BBB
  • [23:15:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
  • [23:15:18] <mastiff_> took a few hours
  • [23:15:40] <mastiff_> of compiling once i got the dependencies sorfted out
  • [23:15:45] <kaektech> natively, yeah i'd imagine so
  • [23:16:18] <mastiff_> had issues with supposedly missing packages that were already installed
  • [23:16:32] <mastiff_> installed the *-dev solved most of those
  • [23:16:48] <kaektech> often does
  • [23:17:35] <mastiff_> rtl-sdr running on the BBB benchmarks to run the max sample rate of the RTL2832U.
  • [23:17:38] <SpeedEvil> the only mention I can find on that page of dab alas is a shim to let wine drovers work
  • [23:17:46] <mastiff_> Haven't benchmarked gnuradio yet.
  • [23:17:49] <SpeedEvil> which may be tricky on arm
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  • [23:18:35] <mastiff_> no, under the supported hardware, buy one of the ones that says it's for DAB, then you can use it for other frequinces also with rtl-sdr
  • [23:19:19] <mastiff_> ezcap USB 2.0 DVB-T/DAB/FM dongle or Terratec NOXON DAB/DAB+ USB dongle (rev 2)
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  • [23:20:46] <SpeedEvil> sure
  • [23:20:55] <SpeedEvil> you can receive raw dab samples
  • [23:21:08] <SpeedEvil> which does not get you audio at all simply
  • [23:21:21] <SpeedEvil> dab is an involved codec
  • [23:21:28] <SpeedEvil> ofdm/.../mp2
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  • [23:24:51] <mastiff_> They are sold commercially as DAB radios with the drivers, and they can be hacked with rtl-sdr to do other stuff.
  • [23:25:22] <SpeedEvil> sure - for windows
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  • [23:27:28] <mastiff_> not sure, never tried to use mine for DAB, not broadcasted here
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  • [23:37:40] <mru> heh, I was down at the pub, chatting with the barmaid
  • [23:38:01] <mru> another customer comes up to the bar just as she's saying something about killing someone
  • [23:38:38] <kaektech> typical day in the nieghborhood?
  • [23:38:50] <mru> she immediately puts on a smile and says "what can I get you?"
  • [23:39:26] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> thinking of making an audio cape with some ethernet streaming capabilities (in and out).
  • [23:39:39] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> someone was talking about doing something similar a few weeks back.
  • [23:39:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> are you here mystery person that I forgot and am too lazy to read the chat logs about?
  • [23:40:02] <mru> makes no sense to me
  • [23:40:09] <mru> there's already ethernet on the board
  • [23:41:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> well, that would be a "feature" of the software on it.
  • [23:41:55] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'd make a driver so it looked like a soundcard.
  • [23:42:01] <mru> what's a cape got to do with it?
  • [23:42:13] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> cape would have the audio interfaces.
  • [23:42:24] <mru> an audio interface cape makes sensse
  • [23:42:25] <mru> -s
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  • [23:42:47] <mru> ethernet is a different beast
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  • [23:43:01] <kaektech> Isn't there already an audio cape?
  • [23:43:19] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, but i want something nicer, with spdif and whatnot.
  • [23:43:58] <mastiff_> Gota BBB currently running off the usb port and ethernet port of a wifi router, and accessing it with my laptop via wifi.
  • [23:44:42] <mastiff_> more convenient than the usb tether
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  • [23:45:07] <kaektech> what does spdif gain you over the audio cape?
  • [23:45:09] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it would have a nice api for web control too. like shoutcast and whatnot.
  • [23:45:19] <kaektech> (not an audiphile)
  • [23:45:25] <kaektech> +o
  • [23:45:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> spdif is digital.
  • [23:45:39] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, sometimes you don't have access to analog.
  • [23:46:08] <mru> spdif cape makes sense
  • [23:46:26] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wouldn't be much point in having just analog in.
  • [23:46:28] <mastiff_> competing with USB soundcards though
  • [23:46:30] <kaektech> but audio, as my ears hear it, is analog, and they are always attached to my head
  • [23:46:54] <mru> kaektech: you should upgrade them
  • [23:47:13] <mru> I got a set of 24-bit 96kHz ears a while back
  • [23:47:15] <mru> love 'em
  • [23:47:53] <pawan> is there any way to do a factory reset of beaglebone board?
  • [23:48:09] <mru> black or white?
  • [23:48:14] <pawan> black
  • [23:48:37] <mru> probably
  • [23:48:54] <mru> do whatever they do in the factory :-)
  • [23:49:15] <mastiff_> just flash the lastest image
  • [23:49:34] <pawan> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.27.img?
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  • [23:49:56] <mastiff_> you have to boot with the SD loaded with the image, and wait 30min or so for it to be transfered onto the onboard memory.
  • [23:50:20] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> 30 minutes!?!?
  • [23:50:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> takes 30 minutes to copy like 3 gigs?
  • [23:50:35] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i thought emmc was crazy fast.
  • [23:50:37] <mastiff_> from sd to sd
  • [23:50:43] <mastiff_> sd to emmc
  • [23:51:04] <mastiff_> it might be processing the files, not sure on that one
  • [23:51:04] <mru> emmc is faster than most sd cards
  • [23:51:16] <mru> but if your sd card is slow..
  • [23:52:33] <mastiff_> the docs say it normally takes 30min, I'm interested in benchmarking sd card speed, haven't looked for a program for that yet
  • [23:52:36] <pawan> ok :-), let me do what they do at factory...
  • [23:52:48] <pawan> do we have some link where i can download older images?
  • [23:52:53] <pawan> like 8th or 02th?
  • [23:52:56] <pawan> 20th
  • [23:53:31] <mastiff_> did you check on the angstrom site?
  • [23:54:22] <kaektech> Is there some reason why you *don't* want the improvements since it left the factory?
  • [23:54:37] <mranostay> keep on truck^H^H^H^Htrolling
  • [23:54:55] <mru> mranostay: troll troll troll
  • [23:55:29] <pawan> for some reason 8th works better than 20th...i haven't tried 27th
  • [23:55:48] <mru> make a graph
  • [23:56:13] <mranostay> mru: so many to choose from though
  • [23:56:27] <mru> take this one: troll
  • [23:56:36] <mastiff_> 27th works 5.3x better than 20th
  • [23:56:53] <kaektech> pie chart, or it didn't happen
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  • [23:57:13] <mastiff_> not sure what's different, haven't read the changes
  • [23:57:27] <mru> how do you measure the difference?
  • [23:57:47] <kaektech> fractals
  • [23:58:04] <mastiff_> fan speed
  • [23:58:08] <mru> so 5.3 is the fractal dimension?
  • [23:58:21] <mru> the bone hasn't a fan
  • [23:58:22] <pawan> nope, the led blinking speed
  • [23:58:26] <mastiff_> exactly
  • [23:58:27] <pawan> and the color :)
  • [23:58:37] <pawan> its darker
  • [23:58:43] <pawan> thanks anyways bye
  • [23:58:49] <mastiff_> thermocouple on the ARM
  • [23:59:20] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i hear themotriples are better.
  • [23:59:56] <mru> you haven't tried thermoquads then