• [00:00:03] <mrpackethead> mranostay: you about?
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  • [00:01:37] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: He was
  • [00:01:50] <mrpackethead> hwe will be back
  • [00:02:06] <Shadyman> He's probably gone into hiding to play with dipswitches.
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  • [00:14:42] <mdp> I hear mranostay is adding ISA card support to android for intel
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  • [00:15:32] <Shadyman> i hear mdp is adding ___ support to ____ for _____
  • [00:15:35] <Shadyman> ;)
  • [00:16:05] <neoxharsh> I have read somewhere beagle bone black have a seperate microcontroller in it to do arduino like functions
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  • [00:19:24] <mdp> Shadyman: bitbang, rpi, broadcom :)
  • [00:19:40] <Shadyman> neoxharsh: PRU?
  • [00:19:58] <Shadyman> mdp: Giggity.
  • [00:20:47] <mdp> http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2
  • [00:22:56] <mranostay> mdp: cute
  • [00:24:26] <joel_> mdp: I thought rpi stuff was hush hush here?
  • [00:24:57] <mdp> right!
  • [00:25:02] <joel_> hehe
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  • [00:26:27] <m_billybob> what do you mean rpi stuff here is hush hush ? I thougt it was rather hillarious the other day when that guy came in askign why rasbian wouldnt compile for his bbb . . .
  • [00:26:34] <mrpackethead> shhhh.. the pru is a secrect
  • [00:26:52] <m_billybob> almost as funny as the two guys asking if they could upgrade the ram o nthe bbb to 3 gb
  • [00:27:08] <mrpackethead> almsot as funny as expecing a BBB to work out of the box
  • [00:27:36] <m_billybob> well you know presumably you have to plug it into a power source of some sort
  • [00:28:40] <m_billybob> but i dont know i pulled mine out of the box and it was already blinking on its own so . . .
  • [00:28:46] <m_billybob> ;)
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  • [00:46:10] <joel_> someone ran into my car in the parking lot :(
  • [00:46:45] <joel_> luckily though he's a reasonable guy. and i felt sorry for him weirdly enough
  • [00:47:15] <m_billybob> Another cross compiler question -> Other than the std c/c++ libraries what else do i need ? Im compiling for debian, from x86
  • [00:47:33] <joel_> I once had a very old lady run into my car while i was at the red signal waiting for it to turn green
  • [00:48:38] <mrpackethead> deos anyone know, what licence the BBB hardware is under?
  • [00:49:49] <m_billybob> quick google search mrpackethead -> Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license
  • [00:50:34] <m_billybob> oh my bad never mind thats content on the site lol
  • [00:50:43] * m_billybob slaps self
  • [00:51:40] <wolfeidau> Gday all, has anyone tried enabling the crytpo device module on the beagle bone? I know the omap AES support is enabled just not sure how to get openssl to use it
  • [00:52:09] <joel_> mdp: did you ever get a chance to measure perf of cyclic_dma from any peripheral to ddr on am33xx. If that's even supported?
  • [00:53:13] <joel_> wolfeidau: i have, recently mainline support is added but you need openocf / cryptodev (both of which are not yet in the kernel)
  • [00:53:40] <joel_> wolfeidau: either of the 2 are the glue between the AES driver and openssl
  • [00:54:13] <wolfeidau> joel_: Ahh yeah just read the page on ti wiki, trying to glue all the pieces together :)
  • [00:54:27] <joel_> hehe.
  • [00:54:38] <wolfeidau> joel_: Have you tested to see how stable it is atm?
  • [00:55:02] <joel_> wolfeidau: its pretty stable, but just that there's not one place you get all the pieces (unless you use the TI SDK)
  • [00:55:48] <joel_> here are the options: you either apply cryptodev/openocf both of which are out-of-tree kernel patches and rebuild your kernel
  • [00:56:16] <wolfeidau> joel_: I saw that a few companies are using the cryptodev stuff looks like a great idea hving a common device which many vendors can integrate with but openssl doesn't have to worry about
  • [00:56:20] <joel_> or, you patch openssl for AF_ALG support and the stock mainline kernel will work straight out
  • [00:56:53] <wolfeidau> joel_: Yeah not sure if i should patch my openssl or the kernel..
  • [00:56:53] <joel_> since I'm a kernel developer, I don't like out-of-tree kernel patches much :), so I just patched OpenSSL
  • [00:57:01] <wolfeidau> haha
  • [00:57:29] <wolfeidau> I would rather do it in the kernel and not mess with userspace packages :P
  • [00:57:38] <joel_> wolfeidau: cryptodev is relatively recent, and is constantly updated, if you're familiar with kernel module building you can just build that
  • [00:57:53] <joel_> but note that cryptodev will always be out-of-tree since its rejected by kernel community
  • [00:58:04] <joel_> but it still works
  • [00:58:13] <joel_> openocf on the other hand is not even maintained any more
  • [00:58:27] <wolfeidau> o is it a licencing thing or just don't like it?
  • [00:58:28] <joel_> af_alg support is in the kernel already
  • [00:58:55] <joel_> wolfeidau: crypto maintainer feels af_alg already does same thing , even though its over network sockets (instead of /dev/crypto)
  • [00:59:07] <tdilly> I'd like to install arch on my bbb but my new monitor (with hdmi) hasn't arrived yet, is there some other way I can get it installed without video?
  • [00:59:36] <wolfeidau> Ok wow I would prefer to use af_alg then
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  • [00:59:52] <m_billybob> tdilly using a dedicated machine or VM to build then setup a CF card ?
  • [00:59:59] <joel_> wolfeidau: yeah, just have to rebuild openssl :) and getting the config options straight might be painful
  • [01:00:35] <wolfeidau> joel_: OK I will give it a shot
  • [01:00:37] <joel_> least painful route is build cryptodev as a kernel module
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  • [01:00:40] <wolfeidau> joel_: Thanks a heap
  • [01:00:44] <tdilly> m_billybob: ooh good idea
  • [01:00:45] <joel_> but if you're brave and have time, go ahead with af_alg
  • [01:00:51] <joel_> sure thing
  • [01:00:57] <m_billybob> tdilly, too obvious ?
  • [01:00:58] <wolfeidau> joel_: hmmm i will try both :)
  • [01:01:23] <joel_> cool :) happy hacking ;)
  • [01:01:40] <kaektech> mrpackethead: any unspoken fpga pcbs left?
  • [01:01:40] <tdilly> m_billybob: yeah, I was over thinking it :)
  • [01:01:47] <m_billybob> tdilly, keep in mind im not being sarcastic. ive recently done this with debian myself, but dont know arch/linux steps
  • [01:01:51] <mrpackethead> kaektech: yes, there are
  • [01:02:43] <tdilly> m_billybob: Are you running debian on your bbb?
  • [01:02:48] <m_billybob> yes
  • [01:02:58] <mrpackethead> kaektech: the first ones left this morning.
  • [01:03:28] <m_billybob> tdilly, technicaly running it on two bbb's one mine the other i setup for my buddy too
  • [01:03:36] <kaektech> mrpackethead: I've got no access to reflow atm. any chance of getting a populated one?
  • [01:03:54] <mrpackethead> kaektech: you can build it all with an iron
  • [01:03:57] <mrpackethead> no need to relfow
  • [01:04:31] <m_billybob> tdilly -> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black *maybe* he has arch/linux setup steps too ? I didnt look passed debian
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  • [01:04:38] <tdilly> m_billybob: I'm not too fond of Angstrom so far and was looking for something with more packages, and more docs, I had used arch in the past is the only reason I thought of that first, I'm typically a RHEL user but I didn't find any recent fedora ports.
  • [01:05:05] <kaektech> mrpackethead: how much was it again $14 (US b/t/w)?
  • [01:05:21] <mrpackethead> $14 for the board. $4 airmail to the US
  • [01:05:44] <mrpackethead> the bom, will cost you about $25 at Digikey
  • [01:05:45] <tdilly> m_billybob: I wouldn't be against trying Debian either, I might do that
  • [01:06:05] <mrpackethead> tdilly: i'm running debian on the bbb, nad its doing very well
  • [01:06:22] <m_billybob> tdilly i know a few people who seem perfectly happy with it, I definately am myself, but havent really done too muc with it yet
  • [01:06:31] <mrpackethead> kaektech: do you want one?
  • [01:06:39] <mrpackethead> or 5, for %60
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  • [01:06:43] <m_billybob> it comes with most everythign angstrom comes on it except this was a console only setup
  • [01:06:53] <kaektech> mrpackethead: yes. how do I remit? paypal, bitcoin, lindendollars?
  • [01:06:56] <m_billybob> apache server, openssh-server etc by default
  • [01:06:59] <mrpackethead> paypal.
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  • [01:07:10] <m_billybob> runs a blinky app to, but not quite sure how yet
  • [01:07:24] <m_billybob> eg not sure if its native of what
  • [01:07:25] <mrpackethead> sorry you have missed todays post
  • [01:07:30] <mrpackethead> but, it can ship on monday
  • [01:07:33] <m_billybob> or what*
  • [01:07:59] <m_billybob> joel_ do you know much abotu cross compiling for the bbb ?
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  • [01:08:40] <kaektech> mrpackethead: your email or mine for details? Yeah, I work in a bank. No IRC, only logs via the web.
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  • [01:09:04] <m_billybob> joel_, real simple question, if so, looking for hints which libraries i may need additional the the std lib stuff for cross compiling form another OS
  • [01:09:32] <mrpackethead> ahhh.
  • [01:09:34] <m_billybob> additional to the std lib stuff for cross compiling form another OS
  • [01:09:57] <mrpackethead> kaektech: send an email to me at andrew.frazer@stellascapes.com
  • [01:10:17] <mrpackethead> with your shipping details.. i'll send a paypal request to you
  • [01:11:21] <mrpackethead> if this pcb run goes ok, I might run another one for another popular cape
  • [01:11:40] <mrpackethead> if the capes are double sided, then they will be quite a bit cheaper
  • [01:11:48] <mrpackethead> but this one is 4 sided
  • [01:11:51] <mrpackethead> sorry 4 layer.
  • [01:12:45] <kaektech> mrpackethead: sent. Four sided pcbs would and an extra layer of difficulty...
  • [01:13:23] <mrpackethead> kaektech: 1 board?
  • [01:13:33] <kaektech> yes
  • [01:15:00] <m_billybob> too general a question i guess
  • [01:15:05] <kaektech> The fpga world is piquing my interest lately. Haven't explored it much, but I (think) I'm in line for a hackrf board.
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  • [01:16:00] <mrpackethead> same here
  • [01:16:05] <mrpackethead> i am not expert on thse at all
  • [01:16:10] <m_billybob> kaektech in that case another link for you -> http://www.taylorkillian.com/2013/04/using-fpga-of-eecolor-color3.html
  • [01:16:14] <mrpackethead> eric is the guy
  • [01:16:15] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [01:16:20] <mrpackethead> i just did the boards
  • [01:17:00] <m_billybob> that guy actually hacked an eecolor board to be a dev board of sorts
  • [01:17:05] <m_billybob> for FPGAs
  • [01:17:12] <m_billybob> got it runnign a bitcoin client too
  • [01:17:14] <kaektech> Yup, Eric has some cool stuff he's done. followed the bcc link from earlier
  • [01:18:45] <kaektech> he makes synths, you make cool blinken lights. I wonder what other cool stuff people in the channel make for a living.
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  • [01:19:04] <kaektech> mrpackethead: how's the dmx cape working?
  • [01:19:14] <mrpackethead> reworking it
  • [01:19:14] <kaektech> success?
  • [01:19:19] <kaektech> ah
  • [01:19:20] <mrpackethead> dmx out, fine
  • [01:19:24] <mrpackethead> dmx in, not a chance
  • [01:20:13] <kaektech> do you source your leds bulk in shenzen (or thereabout)
  • [01:20:20] <kaektech> ?
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  • [01:20:38] <tdilly> thanks for the friendly help! Will be back!
  • [01:20:47] <m_billybob> yup yup
  • [01:21:19] <kaektech> the boatloads of stuff you can buy by the container load from alibaba cracks me up
  • [01:21:35] <mrpackethead> kaektech: not shenzhen
  • [01:21:43] <mrpackethead> korea, taiwan
  • [01:21:48] <mrpackethead> mostly
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  • [01:22:01] <mrpackethead> we do buy Cree leds out of the Cree factory
  • [01:22:32] <mrpackethead> which is in Huizhou
  • [01:23:11] <mrpackethead> the boat loads of stuff in China is just a QC nightmare
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  • [01:23:32] <kaektech> mrpackethead: that is the impression i got
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  • [01:24:39] <mdp> joel_: no. I don't yet have cyclic dma support in the driver. as described in the still-not-changed plan, that comes later
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  • [01:35:00] <joel_> mdp: ok
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  • [01:36:02] <joel_> mdp: that is a very good usecase from perf standpoint
  • [01:36:03] <mdp> you can always test it with the dt mcasp simple-card private edma branch I pushed to my tree
  • [01:36:46] <mdp> perf is mostly independent of the dmaengine api implementation
  • [01:36:59] <joel_> mdp: is that only for davinci, i will be happy to test once i can find an am1808 board
  • [01:37:04] <mrpackethead> kaektech:
  • [01:37:09] <mrpackethead> i got your mail
  • [01:37:33] <mdp> joel_: no...I've had the am33xx support for a while
  • [01:37:47] <kaektech> mrpackethead: cool. and paypal confirmation?
  • [01:37:55] <mdp> just waiting until the base series interuotions went away
  • [01:38:19] <mdp> tested on the dvi+audio cape
  • [01:38:22] <mrpackethead> i have noe
  • [01:38:32] <mrpackethead> my mail is spamboxing all paypal mails!
  • [01:38:35] <mrpackethead> grr!
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  • [01:39:33] <joel_> mdp: ok that makes it easy
  • [01:41:16] <kaektech> mdp: I have a dvi+audio cape. what are you testing (scrolls up)
  • [01:42:40] <wordom> anyone put ubuntu on bbb
  • [01:42:41] <wordom> ?
  • [01:42:53] <joel_> kaektech: matt's dmaengine edma driver, drivers/dma/edma
  • [01:43:26] <kaektech> ah
  • [01:45:32] * xenoxaos put arch on it
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  • [01:48:07] <wordom> i use the beaglebone (original) with ubuntu
  • [01:48:29] <wordom> so i like that setup. I would like to continue with ubuntu minimal on the black
  • [01:48:32] <mdp> I've already tested it..joel wants to do some perf testing afaict
  • [01:48:44] <wordom> does arch support aptitude?
  • [01:48:52] <joel_> mdp: which branch was that again
  • [01:49:00] <kaektech> "small explosive bolts in the hinge let you pop the doors and kick your way out" http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/05/volkswagen-xl1-driven/ makes me want explosive bolts in my F-150, just because
  • [01:49:01] <joel_> the only mcasp one was 4 months old
  • [01:49:07] <mdp> my initial stab was to show the right dt only way to do mcasp
  • [01:50:04] <joel_> mdp: in any case like you dma_cyclic is a future item right. I already know the perf of doing scatter-gather through crypto usage of edma
  • [01:50:13] <joel_> *you said.
  • [01:51:17] <xenoxaos> ummm...no
  • [01:51:33] <xenoxaos> arch linux arm has pacman
  • [01:51:40] <joel_> that one works without cape :-P
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  • [01:51:56] <wordom> that is the thing i like, i also like ruby,
  • [01:52:03] <wordom> is there an easy way to put ruby on arch?
  • [01:52:09] <mdp> WIP/mcasp.*
  • [01:52:45] <joel_> "WIP/mcasp-am335x-3.8-rc3"
  • [01:52:48] <mdp> joel_: think about it...cyclic performance is bounded by the period.
  • [01:53:02] <mdp> yes. I'm on my mobile so being lazy
  • [01:53:18] <kaektech> mrpackethead: curious. your use-case for fpga? me, its rf stuff
  • [01:53:30] <mrpackethead> just messing actually
  • [01:53:37] <mdp> and the perf doesn't vary even if you wrap dmaengine around it
  • [01:53:45] <mrpackethead> just wanting to get into the FPGA thing
  • [01:53:51] <mrpackethead> and this seemed an easy way to do it
  • [01:53:57] <mrpackethead> having a lnux machine next to it
  • [01:53:58] <joel_> mdp: ok . yes, unfortunately for crypto doing a continuous transfer can be useful if it is architected correctly
  • [01:54:21] <joel_> or am I missing something about cyclic
  • [01:54:23] <mdp> joel_: I forgot about your weird crypto case..different yes
  • [01:54:39] <mdp> that'll be the first non-audio user
  • [01:54:57] <ka6sox> joel_, thats where I've had the most trouble with the SoC's...their performance doing Crypto for any length of time without just becoming Slugs.
  • [01:54:57] <xenoxaos> pacman -S ruby
  • [01:55:01] <mdp> audio is relatively slow
  • [01:55:16] <joel_> hehe
  • [01:55:32] <mdp> and these parts aren't designed for performance
  • [01:55:43] <joel_> even for crypto perf is usually not an issue, but every once in a while some weird usecases come up
  • [01:55:45] <ka6sox> mdp, no kidding :P
  • [01:55:59] <mdp> suggest you get a fsl ppc with dpaa for serious work
  • [01:56:11] <joel_> and then the design team put out an extrememly theoretical number which keeps getting slapped back =)
  • [01:56:28] <ka6sox> mdp, I just do it in an FPGA.
  • [01:56:31] <mrpackethead> well, now this is very easy
  • [01:56:32] <mrpackethead> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=PFPRARLC57NTC
  • [01:56:36] <mdp> joel_: they always lie
  • [01:56:43] <mdp> like with PM
  • [01:57:13] <joel_> mdp: infact it is so pathetic that all the integration related perf drop was not considered, and then linux is blamed
  • [01:57:16] <joel_> </rant>
  • [01:57:37] <mdp> it's the ideal scapegoat
  • [01:57:58] <mdp> anything other than baremetal code is sorcery
  • [01:58:14] <joel_> hehe, and yet everyone wants Linux ;-)
  • [01:58:32] <mdp> it's a paradox
  • [01:58:58] <mrpackethead> eerything is bare metal
  • [01:59:03] <mdp> next we'll run into bearded Spock
  • [01:59:16] <mrpackethead> i have a client
  • [01:59:20] <mrpackethead> who just oked an project
  • [02:00:44] <kaektech> Neckbeard Spock
  • [02:01:46] <ka6sox> kaektech, what frequencies of RF with the FPGA stuffa?
  • [02:02:28] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, did you send the invoice?
  • [02:02:34] <mrpackethead> yes
  • [02:02:35] <mrpackethead> i have
  • [02:02:35] <ka6sox> boing
  • [02:03:21] <mrpackethead> just double checking
  • [02:03:54] <ka6sox> Bingo!
  • [02:03:54] <kaektech> mrpackethead: bing
  • [02:04:08] <mdp> bing it
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  • [02:07:07] <ka6sox> geeks and sun do not mix....
  • [02:08:19] <kaektech> ka6sox: not sure yet. Still new to the FPGA world. I guess whatever I can wring out of it? (legally)
  • [02:09:22] <ka6sox> kaektech, is there an illegal way?
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  • [02:09:53] <kaektech> ka6sox: mostly, I've been messing about on the rx side with an rtl-sdr dongle.
  • [02:10:02] <ka6sox> ah, okay
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  • [02:10:23] <kaektech> Dunno. Studying for my technician test next weekend.
  • [02:10:38] <ka6sox> I'm interested in a fdmdv modem for the Bone.
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  • [02:11:38] <Rickta59> so after i run a bitbake cloud9-image .. is that supposed to create a *.img.xz ?
  • [02:12:02] <s4nt> anyone know how to modify the default resolution per uboot/ubuntu for a BBB? defaults to 1080p@24 as evidenced by fbset, just wondering how I could modify that, thnx...
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  • [02:12:28] <ka6sox> s4nt, to what?
  • [02:12:45] <s4nt> 1280x720@50 I believe
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  • [02:13:00] <s4nt> xrandr doesn't seem to play nice
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  • [02:13:21] <m_billybob> std kernel flag ?
  • [02:14:22] <ka6sox> kaektech, I the the BCC has enough space in it for the modem.
  • [02:14:25] <s4nt> if you try 'xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 1280x720 ' or pretty much any setting, or framerate, it just ends up being something else, like if you try 1280x720, it sets your resolution to 1280x914, which is odd
  • [02:14:31] <m_billybob> Rick, hold on let me look
  • [02:14:37] <kaektech> ka6sox: awesome
  • [02:14:39] <m_billybob> if i can find it
  • [02:15:37] <joel_> Rickta59: from my usage of OE in historical times, the emitted file is of that form. take that with a grain of salt
  • [02:15:44] <joel_> dinner time, later
  • [02:16:44] <Rickta59> all i see are Cloud9-IDE-beaglebone.tar.xz
  • [02:16:55] <m_billybob> Rick basepath ->/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/deploy/images/beaglebone/ Anythign there ?
  • [02:17:07] <Rickta59> yeah
  • [02:17:11] <Rickta59> tar files
  • [02:17:24] <m_billybob> what about uboot.img and MLO ?
  • [02:17:40] <Rickta59> yeah ..
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  • [02:18:36] <m_billybob> guess i misunderstood your question.
  • [02:18:45] <Rickta59> http://dpaste.com/1197137/
  • [02:18:51] <m_billybob> you looking for a roofs archive ?
  • [02:18:56] <Rickta59> i don't see anything that is a compressed img file
  • [02:19:00] <Rickta59> that is of the right size
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  • [02:20:43] <m_billybob> Ok, i think ill bow out here. Dont think i can add anythign useful/helpful
  • [02:21:19] <m_billybob> I had not actually gotten passed this part myself so anythign i say would be pure speculation
  • [02:23:45] <kaektech> ka6sox: are you the same fella that has the rtlizer recipes on github?
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  • [02:26:56] <ka6sox> kaektech, nope
  • [02:30:40] <s4nt> got it, the resolution, via xrandr, you merely have to use cvt and add custom modes for 'HDMI-0' via xrandr per the output from cvt and its now solid, currently at 720p@50hz, thnx...
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  • [02:33:18] <ka6sox> "The Device Tree support will initially be a pain for developers, but should pay off in the end."
  • [02:33:34] * ka6sox wonders where the payoff is....
  • [02:33:47] <ka6sox> obviously *somebody* got paid off...
  • [02:33:54] <prpplague> ka6sox: feel free to leave comments...
  • [02:34:05] <prpplague> ka6sox: you know how i feel about device tree
  • [02:34:55] <prpplague> ka6sox: as far as i am concerned, it is the very first design choice for the linux kernel that can be classified as a total "F-up"
  • [02:35:57] <ka6sox> prpplague, its been a "challenge" I'll say that...
  • [02:36:27] <mdp> ka6sox, no need to work with data in C format, which only neckbeards can parse
  • [02:37:10] <mdp> the easily readable pinmux info in .dts files is a huge payoff ;)
  • [02:37:57] <prpplague> mdp: ding ding ding!
  • [02:37:58] <joel_> yes pinctrl-single usage seems like going back in time :'(
  • [02:38:01] <ka6sox> oh right...is that why I needed to have my 11yr old write a web app so I didn't have to have 4 documents open to figure out what to do?
  • [02:38:02] <prpplague> mdp: we have a winner!
  • [02:38:20] <ka6sox> pinmux.tking.org
  • [02:38:36] <prpplague> ka6sox: holy cow
  • [02:38:40] <prpplague> ka6sox: that is awesome
  • [02:39:08] <prpplague> ka6sox: where do we donate their minecraft account?
  • [02:39:20] <mdp> ka6sox, I didn't study under mru just to let my trolling skills go to waste
  • [02:39:28] <ka6sox> I'll get you that information...he would LOVE it...
  • [02:39:42] <Rickta59> that is for the BBB ka6sox ?
  • [02:40:03] <ka6sox> prpplague, he is writing pinmux2 that will do all the pins on a White and black and find conflicts too.
  • [02:40:15] <ka6sox> Rickta59, it works for both.
  • [02:40:37] <ka6sox> so its designed to replace the pinmux 'Doze app thingy but for 'Bones
  • [02:40:38] <prpplague> ka6sox: nice! when he is done, lets get that posted on linuxgizmos.com, hehe
  • [02:40:53] <ka6sox> will do.
  • [02:40:56] <Rickta59> pin id is the pin on chip, the pin on the headers? or something else?
  • [02:41:16] <ka6sox> its the name that the designer of the bone calls it.
  • [02:41:35] <ka6sox> the P(x) name he called it.
  • [02:41:55] <Rickta59> k .. i haven't go that far
  • [02:42:01] <ka6sox> mdp, we can all take lessons from him :)
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  • [02:43:17] <joel_> ka6sox: actually what we need is a better pinctrl driver than pinctrl-single like some other SoCs use
  • [02:43:26] <joel_> that make it easier
  • [02:43:28] <Rickta59> https://github.com/energia/Energia/wiki/Hardware#wiki-LaunchPad_MSP430G2553
  • [02:43:34] <joel_> ka6sox: but that is so cool
  • [02:43:47] <Rickta59> get your 11 year old to do something like that but interactive
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  • [02:46:52] <lthiery> i ran opkg upgrade and now i only my BBB only gives me 3 lights - that means it can't boot from eMMC?
  • [02:47:42] <ka6sox> Rickta59, just showed him that...he gets it
  • [02:48:09] <Rickta59> :) ..
  • [02:48:16] <Rickta59> yeah i have my son do webpages for me now
  • [02:48:40] <Rickta59> he has a much better eye for it than me
  • [02:50:25] <ka6sox> :)
  • [02:50:37] <Rickta59> so i think i figured out what i was missing ..
  • [02:50:49] <Rickta59> apt-get install bitbake
  • [02:50:49] <ka6sox> Rickta59, I can't do webby stuff...too many years of Assembly Language.
  • [02:51:08] <ka6sox> did someone make a debian package for it?
  • [02:51:20] <ka6sox> Rickta59, what guide are you following?
  • [02:51:25] <wordom> lthiery, do you use the serial debug on your BBB
  • [02:51:31] <m_billybob> not last time i checked but i think hes on ubuntu
  • [02:51:38] <lthiery> no i usually use Ethernet
  • [02:51:40] <Rickta59> i'm following the treasure map and google searches
  • [02:51:47] <lthiery> do I need to get an FTDI onto there?
  • [02:51:49] <Rickta59> is there a guide that tells you want to do?
  • [02:51:57] <Rickta59> i sure didn't find it
  • [02:52:05] <wordom> that looks like the only terminal way in
  • [02:52:08] <ka6sox> Rickta59, what is your goal?
  • [02:52:12] <wordom> i am still trying to figure it out
  • [02:52:15] <Rickta59> to add ntfs to angstrom
  • [02:52:27] <Rickta59> for the BBB
  • [02:52:31] <wordom> i just got mine yesterday, the white bone, had the terminal session through the USB
  • [02:52:33] <Rickta59> with the demo image
  • [02:52:42] <Rickta59> i don't care about gnome though
  • [02:52:54] <ka6sox> prpplague, something like this: https://github.com/energia/Energia/wiki/Hardware#wiki-LaunchPad_MSP430G2553 << But interactive?
  • [02:54:07] <joel_> ka6sox: missed your message somewhere along, part of the reason crypto is so slow is because of the splitting of data into chunks by design
  • [02:54:13] <lthiery> right the USB-to-Serial isn't provided on-board anymore
  • [02:54:24] <lthiery> you can get in through Ethernet by ssh
  • [02:54:49] <lthiery> just share internet with them over Ethernet too
  • [02:54:56] <ka6sox> the crypto blocks are not always aligned well.
  • [02:54:58] <prpplague> ka6sox: nice!!!
  • [02:55:41] <Rickta59> hey stop stealing my ideas :)
  • [02:55:44] <wordom> but, if you are stuck in the uboot for some reason, you wont be able to see it
  • [02:55:50] <wordom> so you can try to boot from nand
  • [02:55:53] <ka6sox> Rickta59, you were the one to point it out :P
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  • [02:56:35] <Rickta59> probably could do it with a google spreadsheet
  • [02:56:37] <joel_> ka6sox: well in my usecases, alignment has been correct
  • [02:57:34] <lthiery> hold down the button to boot from uSD?
  • [02:58:10] <Rickta59> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhIbUzSEOlORdHh6QjJRZXdmY0ZPc2dER1loWHVUM2c&usp=sharing
  • [02:58:16] <Rickta59> maybe something like that
  • [02:59:24] <m_billybob> that looks familiar
  • [02:59:31] <wordom> i am trying to boot from SD card
  • [02:59:32] <wordom> no luck
  • [02:59:41] <wordom> i dont have a cable to look at the boot process
  • [02:59:53] <wordom> i just get 4 lights
  • [02:59:58] <kaektech> ciao, till later.
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  • [03:19:13] <ka6sox> kaektech-really-, niters!
  • [03:19:19] <ka6sox> hiya emeb_mac
  • [03:19:57] <emeb_mac> hi!
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  • [03:31:18] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: how you going
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  • [03:33:59] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: doing well. You?
  • [03:34:09] <mrpackethead> good.
  • [03:34:24] <mrpackethead> i am guessing by the end of the day, there will be 50 capes spoken for
  • [03:35:13] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: Nice!
  • [03:35:31] <mrpackethead> maybe we should have made 100
  • [03:36:23] <emeb_mac> heh
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  • [03:40:18] <m_billybob> mrpackethead, theres always elecrow :)
  • [03:40:28] <mrpackethead> elecrow?
  • [03:40:30] <mrpackethead> whats that?
  • [03:40:46] <m_billybob> very cheap PCB maker
  • [03:40:57] <mrpackethead> cheap pcb
  • [03:40:58] <mrpackethead> rghhh.
  • [03:41:01] <mrpackethead> scary scary
  • [03:41:08] <m_billybob> they do good PCBs
  • [03:41:13] <m_billybob> how many layers ?
  • [03:41:17] <mrpackethead> so, how cheap is cheap
  • [03:41:28] <mrpackethead> 4 layers
  • [03:41:39] <mrpackethead> you need gold ENIG
  • [03:42:00] <m_billybob> hmm not sure about 4 layers we've had some 10x10 done, quanties of 10 for like $40 i think
  • [03:42:08] <m_billybob> 2 layer
  • [03:42:12] <mrpackethead> thats expensive
  • [03:42:22] <mrpackethead> 10x10"
  • [03:42:25] <mrpackethead> or 10x10cm?
  • [03:42:26] <mrpackethead> or what?
  • [03:42:27] <m_billybob> that includes shipping form China to US
  • [03:42:31] <m_billybob> cm
  • [03:42:39] <mrpackethead> 10 for $40
  • [03:42:42] <mrpackethead> ok, thats alreight
  • [03:42:54] <mrpackethead> but i but those are the ones that have to 10x10cm
  • [03:43:01] <mrpackethead> and they ahve lots of limitatons on them
  • [03:43:48] <m_billybob> http://www.elecrow.com/services-c-73/fusion-pcb-service-c-73_116/
  • [03:43:52] <m_billybob> can always check them out
  • [03:44:09] <m_billybob> have had some very smal board made for like $1 each
  • [03:46:05] <mrpackethead> i'm pretty happy with my fab house
  • [03:46:06] <m_billybob> Welp windows cross compile to debian +bbb == sucessful
  • [03:46:27] <m_billybob> get a better deal ? that place only seems to do 2layer it looks like
  • [03:47:31] <m_billybob> ah negative they do 10x10 4 layer startign at $45
  • [03:48:17] <m_billybob> well startign at $5 for 10 pieces
  • [03:48:25] <m_billybob> grr $45
  • [03:49:01] <mrpackethead> cheap = expensivr
  • [03:49:06] <mrpackethead> i dont' cheap on PCB's
  • [03:49:11] <mrpackethead> its false economy!
  • [03:50:07] <m_billybob> my buddy has used them several times all the boards came out fine. but yes, use who you're happy with. shouldnt be an other way
  • [03:51:13] <ka6sox> very false economy
  • [03:51:26] <ka6sox> might as well make them in your bathtub.
  • [03:57:01] <m_billybob> sure, solder mask and all
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  • [03:57:13] <m_billybob> misconception squashed by the way
  • [03:57:16] <m_billybob> current CPU frequency is 1000 MHz (asserted by call to hardware).
  • [03:57:46] <m_billybob> powered via USB running while(1){i+=1;}
  • [03:57:51] <m_billybob> 85% CPU load
  • [03:59:26] <m_billybob> so atleast runnign debian the bbb scales frequency nicely
  • [04:00:36] <ka6sox> Rickta59, ping?
  • [04:01:55] <_av500_> bay had a quake?
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  • [04:02:39] <ka6sox> _av500_, thats a LONG way from teh Bay area.
  • [04:02:49] <ka6sox> up near a Volcano.
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  • [04:32:11] <Shadyman> mranostay: collateral fixage
  • [04:32:23] <mranostay> or don't admit your eff up
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  • [04:38:36] <mrpackethead> the prize for the best use of BCC cape will be.....
  • [04:38:43] <mrpackethead> just bragging rights.
  • [04:38:50] <ka6sox> heh
  • [04:39:02] <wordom> i would go for either, bot or flash
  • [04:39:07] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I have an idea...but no time till end of summer.
  • [04:39:08] <wordom> boot or flash it
  • [04:40:50] <m_billybob> mrpackethead notoriety of being the first ?
  • [04:41:28] <ka6sox> m_billybob, first not necessarily the best.
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  • [04:41:54] <m_billybob> you have better idea for a FPGA cape ?
  • [04:42:23] <mrpackethead> yeah.
  • [04:42:28] <mrpackethead> m_billybob: when are you getting yours
  • [04:43:11] <m_billybob> Id actually love to have one, but right now. . .no time to mess with FPGA. I've been wanting to learn FPGA ( vhdl or maybe verilog) for a long time
  • [04:43:23] <mrpackethead> well, just get one
  • [04:43:28] <mrpackethead> and when you feel inclinced
  • [04:43:30] <mrpackethead> then you ahve it
  • [04:43:31] <m_billybob> the hardware aspect i may have trouble with
  • [04:43:47] <m_billybob> i have an eecolor like in that post i gave in here a couple times
  • [04:44:01] <m_billybob> some day going to be used as a dev board
  • [04:45:31] <m_billybob> i have, two msp430 launchpads, a stellaris launchpad a FRDM-KL25z, and that eecolor that is goign ot be used as an FPGA dev board. too much to play with and not enough time to play
  • [04:46:00] <m_billybob> oh right and bb is probably going to eat up most of my free time for a long time to come yet
  • [04:46:09] <m_billybob> have a very ambitious project in mind
  • [04:46:38] <av500> world peace?
  • [04:46:46] <av500> I did that last year
  • [04:46:48] <av500> got bored
  • [04:46:54] <m_billybob> remote site management
  • [04:47:02] <av500> now that is exiting
  • [04:47:19] <m_billybob> existing or exciting ?
  • [04:47:25] <m_billybob> probably both.
  • [04:47:40] <av500> you want to invent vnc?
  • [04:47:52] <m_billybob> specific use case
  • [04:47:59] <m_billybob> which i wont get into
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  • [04:53:36] <av500> read, NDA first
  • [04:53:48] <av500> I'll have my guys talk to your guys
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  • [05:06:07] <mranostay> hi all
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  • [05:08:51] <ka6sox> hi ewe
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  • [05:15:58] <howl> hello!
  • [05:16:33] <howl> I need some help with beaglebone
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  • [05:17:03] <howl> I need to constantly monitor the data at the serial pins and write it to the memory
  • [05:17:08] <howl> how do I do that?
  • [05:17:30] <ka6sox> you asked in forums/googlegroups/mailinglist?
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  • [05:26:08] <ka6sox> howl, ^^
  • [05:26:15] <m_billybob> av500 pretty much yes
  • [05:27:59] <av500> howl: so?
  • [05:28:04] <av500> open /dev/tty
  • [05:28:07] <av500> read()
  • [05:28:09] <av500> write()
  • [05:28:13] <av500> maybe poll()
  • [05:28:16] <av500> or select()
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  • [05:30:03] <ka6sox> av500, lather, rinse, repeat.
  • [05:30:46] <av500> howl: nothing beagle specific here
  • [05:31:40] <howl> cool
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  • [05:35:01] * m_billybob notes that his debian laptop is still chuggging away on console-image
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  • [05:35:31] <m_billybob> ut oh
  • [05:35:32] <m_billybob> Summary: There were 6 ERROR messages shown, returning a non-zero exit code.
  • [05:37:11] <m_billybob> i think im about done fooling with OE for now
  • [05:39:18] <m_billybob> rm -rf for the win !
  • [05:41:28] <KotH> a wonderfull FIRDAY-JIHAD everyone!
  • [05:41:40] <m_billybob> morning KotH
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  • [05:42:06] <m_billybob> KotH, for what its worth, and i know you probably dont care, but linaro setup on windows was fairly painless
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  • [05:42:53] <KotH> oh.. cool
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  • [05:43:33] <av500> you installed linaro on your windows?
  • [05:43:55] <m_billybob> using Linaro with code::blocks on windows 7 x64. yes.
  • [05:43:56] <mrpackethead> KotH: for what its worth,a nd i know you probalby dont' care, but eating a box of swiss chocolate was particually not hard.
  • [05:43:56] <KotH> av500: people do foolish things... especially on fridays
  • [05:44:09] <KotH> mrpackethead: lol
  • [05:44:23] <mrpackethead> can i run windows 8 on a beagleboneblack
  • [05:44:38] <KotH> mrpackethead: eating swiss chocolate is never hard. they are actually quite soft, and melt in your mouth, like a cloud on a spring morning
  • [05:45:24] <m_billybob> KotH, well i only mentioned it because you were sayign to me this morning ( my time ) you heard it was a pita . . .
  • [05:46:06] <m_billybob> download -> unzip -> put in a location of choise -> point code::block to the binaries.
  • [05:48:05] <KotH> m_billybob: i know what i said, merely a day ago
  • [05:48:20] <KotH> m_billybob: i'm not as old as av500 and do forget things
  • [05:48:23] <m_billybob> ~14 hours ago :P
  • [05:48:38] <KotH> "before the last sleep cycle" :)
  • [05:48:59] <m_billybob> :)
  • [05:49:43] <m_billybob> was just surprised it was that easy. no information on how to setup on the web, nd i guessthat is why
  • [05:49:52] <m_billybob> on the web how to setup*
  • [05:50:40] <mrpackethead> m_billybob: did some more looking at the netowrk setup
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  • [05:51:34] <m_billybob> hmm ?
  • [05:52:41] * m_billybob is currently reading about which libraries / headers he should pull ove rinto his dev platform
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  • [06:33:39] <mhaberler> are there any known issues with the uio_pruss support on 3.8 kernels?
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  • [06:50:16] <tsjsieb> goodmorning
  • [06:51:20] <mranostay> good blah whatever
  • [06:51:22] <mranostay> sleeping
  • [06:51:38] <ka6sox> niters mranostay
  • [06:54:21] <KotH> the beer must have been good :)
  • [06:55:05] <mhaberler> are there any known issues with the uio_pruss support on 3.8 kernels? uio_pruss loads fine, but no /dev/uio* device appears :-/
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  • [07:02:48] * KotH doesnt know of any issues
  • [07:02:53] <KotH> but then, i dont know anything either
  • [07:03:08] <KotH> mhaberler: ask mranostay, he knows
  • [07:03:18] <mhaberler> ah
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  • [07:03:53] <mhaberler> mranostay: around?
  • [07:05:04] <ka6sox> mhaberler, just missed him..
  • [07:05:50] <panto> morning
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  • [07:07:03] <KotH> moin panto
  • [07:07:13] <panto> hi KotH
  • [07:10:04] <mhaberler> suspicion: PRU isnt powered up, which might be a uboot/dt thing
  • [07:10:06] <ka6sox> mourning panto
  • [07:10:38] <panto> mhaberler, have you enabled the pruss device?
  • [07:10:39] <panto> hi ka
  • [07:10:43] <panto> hi ka6sox even
  • [07:10:53] <ka6sox> he he...
  • [07:11:06] <mhaberler> is there anything except modprobe uio_pruss to it?
  • [07:11:06] * ka6sox hands panto a coffee
  • [07:11:29] <mhaberler> you mean kconfig? yes, all enabled as mods
  • [07:11:34] <panto> mhaberler, nope
  • [07:12:19] <panto> mhaberler, you need something like this: http://pastebin.com/GuCXcUVL
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  • [07:12:39] <mhaberler> ah
  • [07:14:23] <mhaberler> how do I make the boot process suck that dt fragment?
  • [07:14:43] <panto> you can use a capemgr override
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  • [07:15:06] <panto> capemgr.override=PART-NUMBER on the kernel cmdline works
  • [07:15:15] <panto> or you can load it at run time
  • [07:16:08] <mhaberler> and that fragment needs to be compiled and put into uboot/dtbs or what?
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  • [07:16:28] <mhaberler> sorry, this is completely new for me
  • [07:17:25] <mhaberler> ah, found http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/, this might give some hints
  • [07:17:38] <panto> mhaberler, yes
  • [07:17:48] <mhaberler> thanks
  • [07:17:50] <panto> you don't need to mess with u-boot at all
  • [07:17:54] <panto> np
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  • [07:21:24] <mhaberler> hm, apt-get install device-tree-compiler gets me a dtc binary, but not a dtb - whatever that implies
  • [07:22:01] <mhaberler> ah, all fine, reading does help
  • [07:22:05] <keesj> dtb is the format e.g. dtc -I dts -O dtb my.dts
  • [07:22:27] <keesj> device tree compiler
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  • [07:22:44] <mhaberler> yep, got it - thanks
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  • [07:29:22] <mhaberler> am I missing any magic here?
  • [07:29:23] <mhaberler> dtc -I dts -O dtb -o enable-pru.dtbo -b 0 enable-pru.dts
  • [07:29:24] <mhaberler> DTC: dts->dtb on file "enable-pru.dts"
  • [07:29:25] <mhaberler> Error: enable-pru.dts:9.2-8 syntax error
  • [07:29:26] <mhaberler> FATAL ERROR: Unable to parse input tree
  • [07:30:03] <panto> mhaberler, you need to use the -@ switch
  • [07:30:18] <panto> and make sure you use the dtc with the patch to enable it
  • [07:30:57] <mhaberler> the dtc from the wheezy repo doesnt sport that, I seem to need a different dtc version
  • [07:31:34] <mhaberler> any reference to a source repo?
  • [07:33:10] <panto> use the one in the beaglebone kernel
  • [07:33:14] <panto> tools/dtc
  • [07:33:33] <panto> the kernel has it all ready to use
  • [07:33:35] <mhaberler> you are assuming I use angstrom, which I do not; I have a wheezy rootfs
  • [07:33:49] <mhaberler> that's obviously the issue
  • [07:35:00] <panto> well, we use angstrom for a reason
  • [07:35:26] <panto> if you take a look at the angstrom trees you'll find out the dtc patch you need to apply
  • [07:35:41] <mhaberler> it goes the other way too; I ran out of patience on missing package dependencies
  • [07:35:45] <mhaberler> ok
  • [07:36:15] <panto> we can't support all the distros out there
  • [07:36:39] <panto> we can only make all our changes open so that you can easily pick up the bits you need
  • [07:36:43] <mhaberler> sure, I'm not asking that
  • [07:37:19] <panto> if many people ask for it, we can put up a debian feed for things like dtc and stuff
  • [07:37:42] <panto> but not now, when we're under the gun for so many other things
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  • [07:37:54] <mhaberler> fair enough
  • [07:38:03] <mhaberler> which one of https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/ would I peruse?
  • [07:38:31] <panto> you can always make an update in the elinux.org page pointing at your work
  • [07:38:39] <mhaberler> will do
  • [07:39:09] <panto> mhaberler, git://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts.git
  • [07:39:29] <panto> the branch is angstrom-v2012.12-yocto1.3
  • [07:40:47] <panto> koen is the one who can help you more with any angstrom questions
  • [07:42:04] <panto> got to head out, l8r
  • [07:42:39] <KotH> panto: dont let the revolution catch you!
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  • [07:43:01] <ka6sox> Viva La Revolucion!
  • [07:43:44] <mhaberler> I'm a tad lost - that looks like toplevel angstrom build scripts and I dont see any dtc patch there
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  • [07:44:12] <ka6sox> did you switch branches?
  • [07:44:47] <mhaberler> yes, looking at angstrom-v2012.12-yocto1.3
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  • [07:47:11] <genpix> just received BBB + LCD7 cape + RS232 cape from Mouser.com. And ... they don't work together. And I just now (reading the forum) found that they are incompatible. It would be nice if resellers (Mouser, Digi-Key, Avnet, etc.) actually warn the buyers about that.
  • [07:47:29] <av500> they will work
  • [07:47:40] <av500> at least BBB+LCD
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  • [07:48:17] <genpix> well, I need a working combo NOW! (we are already late in the development stage)
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  • [07:48:37] <genpix> should I look for original (white) BeagleBoard?
  • [07:49:20] <av500> we?
  • [07:49:34] <av500> genpix: yes, white should work out of the box
  • [07:49:47] <av500> oh well
  • [07:49:50] <av500> not sure
  • [07:49:54] <av500> with new 3.8 stuff
  • [07:49:56] <KotH> genpix: someone got the LCD7 working ith the bbb
  • [07:50:01] <KotH> genpix: so it is possible
  • [07:50:23] <KotH> genpix: iirc he had to use the "wrong" connector on the LCD7 or so.. dont remember anymore
  • [07:50:39] <genpix> We currently use FriendlyArm mini6410 + 7"LCD/touchscreen in out project. And looks like we need to toss theis combo (cause they are not RoHS, and they are very slow in converting them to RoHS)
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  • [07:50:55] <KotH> huh?
  • [07:51:02] <koen> genpix: update to 05.20
  • [07:51:03] <KotH> people still sell non-RoHS stuff?
  • [07:51:32] <KotH> moin koen
  • [07:51:34] <genpix> I read about beagleBone, and immediately bought it. Unfortunately, I just now realized I can not use BBB+LCD7 out of the box :(
  • [07:51:38] <KotH> koen: did you have your chocolate today? ;)
  • [07:51:53] <koen> koth: technically yes, after midnight
  • [07:51:57] <KotH> :-)
  • [07:52:36] * koen opens a ritter sport trauben nuss
  • [07:52:46] <genpix> I tried 2013.5.20, still no signal on LCD7
  • [07:53:10] <ynezz> then wait for 06.20
  • [07:54:35] <mhaberler> koen: I'm running a wheezy rootfs and need an up-to-date dtc which supports the '-@' flag; the one in the ubuntu stream doesnt; what's my cheapest route to building one locally?
  • [07:55:02] <koen> dunny
  • [07:55:06] <koen> dunno*
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  • [07:55:22] <koen> you're on your own with debian
  • [07:55:29] <mhaberler> well I know
  • [07:55:57] <ynezz> time for some dtbuilder.com :p
  • [07:56:09] <ynezz> any hipsters around? --^
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  • [07:58:48] <mhaberler> ah, kernel tree src/dtc seems to be it
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  • [08:06:43] <mhaberler> yep, that worked - built src/dtc, that compiles the dts fragment
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  • [08:07:19] <KotH> koen: the rum-traube is better ;)
  • [08:07:41] <koen> yes, that's one of my favourites
  • [08:07:49] <koen> also good as ice-cream flavour
  • [08:08:08] <KotH> :-)
  • [08:08:13] * KotH recommends m?venpick
  • [08:08:26] <mrpackethead> movenpick.. poof!
  • [08:08:36] <koen> rum-traube is known as "farmerboys" in .nl
  • [08:08:52] <KotH> why farmerboys?
  • [08:08:57] <mrpackethead> "tip top"..
  • [08:09:17] <koen> koth: historical reasons I guess
  • [08:09:23] <genpix> KoTH: when you were talking about "someone got the LCD7 working ith the bbb", did you mean Angstrem? Debian? (or Android)?
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  • [08:11:23] <KotH> genpix: i have no idea
  • [08:11:46] <KotH> genpix: it was some discussion on this channel a couple of days ago
  • [08:12:15] <KotH> genpix: i dont have an bbb thus only read bits an pieces of those discussions
  • [08:12:28] <mrpackethead> KotH: you dont' ahve a bbb
  • [08:12:31] <mrpackethead> oh no.
  • [08:12:34] <KotH> genpix: mostly i talk about the wholy war, chocolate and how bad coffee in europe is
  • [08:12:42] <KotH> mrpackethead: nobody gave me one, yet :)
  • [08:12:51] <mrpackethead> the end of the world will start in .ch
  • [08:13:36] <KotH> nope
  • [08:13:38] <genpix> couple of days ago I was still under impression that what I ordered from the reseller is a working combo
  • [08:13:45] <KotH> not unless we run out of chocolate
  • [08:13:58] <KotH> genpix: well...
  • [08:14:00] <mrpackethead> genpix: you assumed a BBB is goign to work?
  • [08:14:06] * mrpackethead laughs..
  • [08:14:10] <KotH> genpix: the bb* are not consumer grade plug-and-play devices
  • [08:14:25] <KotH> mrpackethead: now...that's mean
  • [08:14:58] <KotH> mrpackethead: you shouldnt laugh at people because they have not experienced the "linux-just-works-out-of-the-box" lie :)
  • [08:15:00] <mrpackethead> genpix, when my BBB's arrived, compelted with installed OS, you coud'nt even SSH to them
  • [08:15:05] <genpix> prolly, I need to buy bbw (to get my project started)
  • [08:15:22] <mrpackethead> genpix: in the wiki, theres a list of compatible capes
  • [08:15:33] <mrpackethead> are they still making bbw?
  • [08:15:45] <mrpackethead> but the list is not long
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  • [08:17:17] <KotH> genpix: you're in the US?
  • [08:17:21] <genpix> damn, I was so "happy" that I found an alternative to FrienflyArm mini6410. ANd now, I'm back to square 1
  • [08:17:37] <genpix> yes, US
  • [08:18:09] <KotH> genpix: if you would want to get someone external to help you, wait until alan_o wakes up
  • [08:18:11] <mrpackethead> genpix.. i have a lcd cape, but i've not yet tried it the a bbb
  • [08:18:27] <mrpackethead> but i dont' have any reason to hook it up now
  • [08:18:38] <mrpackethead> i'm trying to rip stuff of the bbb
  • [08:18:42] <mrpackethead> that hdmi stuff
  • [08:19:15] <genpix> btw, those mounting holes on the lcd7 cape are ugly. Who (in the right state of mind) can put them in those positions?!
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  • [08:19:18] <KotH> genpix: http://www.signal11.us/
  • [08:20:51] <mrpackethead> genpix: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Capes
  • [08:21:08] <genpix> it's impossible to use these holes to mount an LCD tothe front panel (we have a metal front panel with a window). holes are BEHIND the LCD.
  • [08:21:41] <KotH> genpix: life sucks, when you dont check the datasheet
  • [08:21:58] <KotH> genpix: but when you have probs like this, you really want to hire alan_o
  • [08:22:17] <mrpackethead> The onboard HDMI driver uses the LCD pins. They are still connected to the expansion header, but in some cases, they could cause an LCD cape to have some noise issues unless the cape has a buffer.
  • [08:22:17] <mrpackethead> A buffer should take care of this issue. If you want to use these pins as GPIO pins, you may be limited in speed due to the capacitance caused by the loadig of the pins by the HDMI driver.
  • [08:22:17] <mrpackethead> They should function fine in most applications.
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  • [08:24:19] <mrpackethead> the *should* word is the #keyword
  • [08:24:31] <mrpackethead> shuould be probably wonn't
  • [08:25:23] <KotH> *g*
  • [08:25:48] <mrpackethead> cynical bunch here
  • [08:27:08] <KotH> it's not cynical if it's the truth
  • [08:28:15] <mrpackethead> i've just taken a known good DC/DC buck regulator
  • [08:28:21] <mrpackethead> and bent it.
  • [08:28:37] <KotH> bent?
  • [08:28:43] <mrpackethead> yup.
  • [08:28:49] <mrpackethead> 'on screen'
  • [08:28:55] <mrpackethead> got an urgent job
  • [08:28:57] <mrpackethead> i'm doing
  • [08:28:58] <KotH> why would you do something so mean to a poor little dc/dc reg?
  • [08:29:00] <mrpackethead> for a client
  • [08:29:11] <mrpackethead> becuase it used to be on a square board
  • [08:29:21] <mrpackethead> now its got to live on a donut shaped board
  • [08:29:32] <av500> those are yummy
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  • [08:29:57] <KotH> how big is your dc/dc converter that you can even "bend" it
  • [08:30:12] <genpix> btw, that "BeagleBone Black Accessories" page does not list RS232 or LCD capes in the Compatible or Incompatible sections
  • [08:30:23] <genpix> so much for "datasheet" !
  • [08:31:01] <KotH> genpix: you are aware that capes are mostly made by third parties, and cco or anyone else cannot guarrantee that they work as promised?
  • [08:31:13] <mrpackethead> bbb is totally alpha
  • [08:31:22] <KotH> genpix: or that you dont have to do any additional work to get them to do your bidding
  • [08:31:42] <genpix> no, I'm not aware (especially, when cco name is written on the cape)
  • [08:31:43] <KotH> mrpackethead: any embedded linux board is to be considered alpha until you get everything working yourself
  • [08:31:55] <KotH> genpix: hmm...
  • [08:31:56] <mrpackethead> KotH: aint that the truth
  • [08:32:24] <mrpackethead> genpix.. i see the system like this.
  • [08:32:25] <KotH> genpix: then ask koen
  • [08:32:28] <KotH> genpix: or panto
  • [08:32:37] <mrpackethead> the bits you buy are like the bits you buy from any electronics store
  • [08:32:39] <KotH> genpix: but hire alan_o
  • [08:32:41] <KotH> :)
  • [08:32:46] <mrpackethead> some R',s some C's some IC's
  • [08:32:50] <mrpackethead> they are all good
  • [08:32:56] <mrpackethead> but its up to you to join them together
  • [08:33:47] <KotH> ..and let the magic smoke out
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  • [08:34:29] <mrpackethead> genpix: you can hire KotH..
  • [08:34:34] <mrpackethead> he will work for chocolate
  • [08:35:05] <genpix> I like chocolate myself. we can't work together 9we'll start to compete)
  • [08:36:27] <mrpackethead> you can hire me
  • [08:36:33] <mrpackethead> i can start in 2016
  • [08:37:01] <genpix> bbb will be dead by that time :)
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  • [08:37:13] <mrpackethead> why
  • [08:37:30] <genpix> something new will pop up
  • [08:40:18] <KotH> genpix: you wont be able to compete with my chocolate consumption
  • [08:40:23] <KotH> genpix: i sit at the source :)
  • [08:40:30] * russell--- is now known as russell--
  • [08:41:05] <KotH> genpix: but seriously, hire some who knows the bbb and embedded linux
  • [08:41:20] <KotH> genpix: anything else will be more expensive
  • [08:41:27] <russell--> looks like i managed to populate the eeprom successfully in my w1 cape: boots, loads dtbo and everything
  • [08:42:33] <mrpackethead> genpix. is this an assignmen problem?
  • [08:42:35] <mrpackethead> or a real problem
  • [08:42:56] <KotH> genpix: as a side note...the company i work for makes money from people like you, who start a project and suddenly realize that the whole thing is more complex than they thought
  • [08:43:09] <KotH> genpix: and i would suggest you'd hire us, if you werent on the other side of the big pond
  • [08:43:17] <russell--> ntpdate is being a bitch though, looks like maybe it's firing too early?
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  • [08:43:47] <KotH> russell--: set ntpdate to run after the network is configured
  • [08:43:57] <mrpackethead> genpix: the company i work for ( and own ) makes money from people like kotH, by selling them thigns tehy dont' really need
  • [08:44:06] <mrpackethead> its much easier
  • [08:44:07] <KotH> :-)
  • [08:44:26] * russell-- is new at systemd
  • [08:44:40] <KotH> russell--: you are DOOMED!
  • [08:44:40] <mrpackethead> the good thign is that our BBB's are working prety well
  • [08:45:18] <genpix> mrpackethead: i'm in the same business (I mean, my company does the same job)
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  • [08:45:31] <mrpackethead> your in teh business
  • [08:45:36] <mrpackethead> which business would that be
  • [08:46:14] <genpix> selling the things ppl don't know how to use
  • [08:47:08] <mrpackethead> then you are in a differnet business from me
  • [08:47:11] <genpix> they don't really need, but they buy because their freinds already got that :)
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  • [08:47:59] <risc> hey all, anyone runnng FreeBSD on the Black?
  • [08:49:28] <mrpackethead> risc, its next on the list, right after we get windows 8 working
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  • [08:50:32] <Defiant> mrpackethead: does the Beagle price cover the windows license cost?
  • [08:51:03] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [08:56:51] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/RISL0A
  • [08:56:51] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 5623fc4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: MCP2515 and CAN cape fixes...
  • [08:57:37] <koen> dwery: there you go!
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  • [08:58:16] <dwery> koen: thanks! next step will be dt and d_can
  • [08:59:05] <koen> have a look at firmware/capes/BB-BONE-SERL-01-00A1.dts
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  • [08:59:47] <dwery> ack
  • [09:01:45] <dwery> koen: that dts is there as a placeholder or d_can is actually in the kernel?
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  • [09:03:54] <sergiodj> yo! I'm almost buying a beagleboard (decided for it against raspberry, basically because I want to have something as much free-as-in-freedom as I can), but I'd like to know: should I expect performance issues if I intend to run httpd+gitd+sshd+some small services on it?
  • [09:04:12] <sergiodj> my plan is to replace my big and energy-hungry home server
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  • [09:04:34] <bertr2d2> Hi
  • [09:04:44] <bertr2d2> i'm trying pruss
  • [09:04:50] <bertr2d2> but it fails
  • [09:05:00] <bertr2d2> lsmod | grep pru uio_pruss 3522 0
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  • [09:05:24] <bertr2d2> modules is loaded but device is missing
  • [09:05:31] <sergiodj> (which is an old intel with 3 loud coolers :-/)
  • [09:05:32] <bertr2d2> open("/dev/uio0", O_RDWR|O_SYNC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
  • [09:05:37] <panto> back
  • [09:05:40] <bertr2d2> open("/sys/class/uio/uio0/maps/map0/addr", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
  • [09:06:10] <sergiodj> I'm aiming for BeagleBoard xM (1GHz, 512MB RAM), FWIW
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  • [09:06:23] <panto> bertr2d2, http://pastebin.com/GuCXcUVL
  • [09:06:35] <panto> you have to enable a the device
  • [09:06:37] <koen> dwery: iirc d_can is in the kernel
  • [09:07:43] <dwery> koen: I can't find it in 3.8-for-panto-rebase
  • [09:07:52] <dwery> it should be in drivers/net/can
  • [09:08:17] <bertr2d2> @panto thx
  • [09:08:46] <bertr2d2> dtc throws some errors
  • [09:09:01] <bertr2d2> ERROR (phandle_references): Reference to non-existent node or label "am33xx_pinmux"
  • [09:09:10] <panto> sigh
  • [09:09:21] <panto> this should be a faq
  • [09:09:54] <panto> http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2013-05-24
  • [09:10:21] <panto> check the discussion with mhaberler
  • [09:11:34] <mhaberler> bertr2d2: which distro are you using?
  • [09:11:43] <koen> dwery: it's part of c_can iirc
  • [09:11:56] <mhaberler> I use wheezy, had to build dtc from kernel repo scripts/dtc
  • [09:12:10] <koen> drivers/net/can/c_can/c_can_platform.c: { .compatible = "bosch,d_can", .data = &c_can_id_table[BOSCH_D_CAN] },
  • [09:12:14] <dwery> koen: so they changed it, ok, will check. thanks.
  • [09:12:49] <koen> dwery: non-TI people wrote c_can, so there's a better than average chance of it working
  • [09:13:05] <dwery> koen: :D I tought c_Can was for a different IP
  • [09:13:09] <koen> pretty much all TI based drivers for AM335x needed a lot of panto time to get them to work
  • [09:13:29] <panto> I thank them for that, cause panto's got to eat too
  • [09:13:54] <dwery> well... we can just randomly inject more bugs in their drivers then :)
  • [09:13:56] <panto> (and he eats a lot)
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  • [09:16:03] <bertr2d2> @mhaberler Angstrom 2013-05-20
  • [09:16:16] <mhaberler> ah, ok, then thats a different issue
  • [09:16:35] <panto> bertr2d2, what's the dtc command line that you use?
  • [09:16:40] <dwery> koen: what's the correct naming for the files in firmware/capes ?
  • [09:16:44] <panto> you have to pass -@
  • [09:17:17] <mhaberler> dwery: this post helps a bit: http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/
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  • [09:17:24] <bertr2d2> dtc -I dts -O dtb -o enable-pru.dtbo -b 0 enable-pru.dts
  • [09:17:25] <panto> dwery, for simple capes, just use ${PART_NUMBER}-${REVISION}.dts
  • [09:17:31] <panto> bertr2d2, you're missing -@
  • [09:17:55] <bertr2d2> Ah - OK
  • [09:18:14] <dwery> mhaberler: ty!
  • [09:18:24] <dwery> panto: ok, will stick to that
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  • [09:18:57] <panto> things can get much more complex, when you use capemaps
  • [09:19:09] <panto> plus you have to add them in the base dts
  • [09:19:15] <panto> which is no fun
  • [09:19:18] <dwery> I only need d_can, spi and a couple of pins
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  • [09:23:02] <bertr2d2> OK copied the dtbo: cp enable-pru.dtbo /lib/firmware/
  • [09:23:20] <bertr2d2> But 'cp enable-pru.dtbo /lib/firmware/'
  • [09:23:48] <bertr2d2> but 'echo enable-pru > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots '
  • [09:24:16] <bertr2d2> thows error: -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
  • [09:24:28] <panto> the filename must be of the form ${PART-NUMBER}-${REV}.dtbo
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  • [09:24:43] <panto> since you don't supply a revision it assumes it's 00A0
  • [09:24:53] <panto> rename the file to enable-pru-00A0.dtbo
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  • [09:26:34] <bertr2d2> ah -ok - thx
  • [09:26:37] <panto> ugh, and make sure there's a bone_capemgr.9 directory
  • [09:26:49] <panto> the number changes depending on what gets loaded
  • [09:27:21] <bertr2d2> @panto, it is
  • [09:27:39] <bertr2d2> many thx - example is working :)))))
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  • [09:39:07] <panto> hi mdp
  • [09:42:49] <av500> "....Yes, dpkg is a 'bad' package manager..."
  • [09:44:43] <av500> hmm, new SoC
  • [09:44:51] <av500> GS702A
  • [09:50:16] <koen> genpix: BBB + LCD7 works if you boot from uSD
  • [09:52:00] * panto waits for his cape shipment to arrive
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  • [10:00:54] <bertr2d2> tried https://github.com/boxysean/am335x_pru_package/tree/master/pru_sw/example_apps/blinkslave
  • [10:01:10] <bertr2d2> did the LEDS ports changed with BBB ?
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  • [10:02:37] <panto> bertr2d2, did you pinmux the correct values?
  • [10:04:42] <bertr2d2> I am fraid not ...
  • [10:06:14] <panto> step 1, check your muxing
  • [10:06:21] <panto> step 2, look at step 1
  • [10:07:15] <mdp> step 3, repeat step 2
  • [10:07:23] <mdp> hi panto
  • [10:08:31] <bertr2d2> @panto :-)
  • [10:08:52] <panto> mmc rstn 1
  • [10:09:14] <panto> err, wrong window
  • [10:09:21] <koen> about pinmux: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/9VbpSWoZJkp
  • [10:10:45] <av500> thats full of trolls
  • [10:10:55] <panto> #beagle is full of trolls too
  • [10:11:19] <av500> my hovercraft is full of eels!
  • [10:11:26] <KotH> trolls? in #beagle? NO WAY!
  • [10:12:08] <av500> run!
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  • [10:18:58] <bertr2d2> newer SRM shows that LEDs are on the same GPIO ...
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  • [10:21:29] <bertr2d2> BTW: is there hope to get CAN working on BBB with kernel 3.8 soon ?
  • [10:22:13] <koen> bertr2d2: why do you imply it isn't working?
  • [10:22:19] <koen> drivers are there
  • [10:22:25] <koen> cape description is there
  • [10:23:10] <bertr2d2> OK driver is there - whats about dt file - and as the CAN driver dt aware ?
  • [10:23:28] <koen> 12:22 < koen> drivers are there
  • [10:23:28] <koen> 12:22 < koen> cape description is there
  • [10:23:55] <panto> just load the can cape definition
  • [10:25:19] <koen> bertr2d2: and if you scroll up you can see me and dwery talking about can about an hour ago
  • [10:26:18] <dwery> bertr2d2: which can cape?
  • [10:28:23] <bertr2d2> ok - saw the conversation
  • [10:28:30] * russell-- found the connman thing for setting clock
  • [10:28:38] <bertr2d2> I'm going to build an own cap
  • [10:28:40] <bertr2d2> I'm going to build an own cape
  • [10:28:44] <dwery> another one? :D
  • [10:29:27] <bertr2d2> for Railroad - with CAN, RS485 and bitbanged stuff like S88, loconet
  • [10:29:37] <dwery> uh. nice
  • [10:30:05] <panto> excellent
  • [10:30:12] <dwery> so you have a railroad with CAN?
  • [10:30:34] <bertr2d2> yes - it's MAerklin aka Gleisbox 60113
  • [10:31:19] <dwery> the last time my cape was used with a railroad, it was a real one :D
  • [10:32:29] <bertr2d2> :D
  • [10:32:46] <bertr2d2> Ok - magnitude smaller:
  • [10:32:49] <bertr2d2> http://lnxpps.de/can2udpe/smallest-rocrail-server-ever/
  • [10:33:37] <dwery> bertr2d2: very nice
  • [10:33:57] <dwery> panto: about the ${PART-NUMBER}-${REV} scheme...
  • [10:34:21] <dwery> the product name is TT3201-001 and revision is 01
  • [10:34:30] <dwery> that leads to bone_capemgr.8: part_number 'TT3201-001-01', version 'N/A'
  • [10:34:46] <dwery> and a search for TT3201-001-01-00A0.dtbo
  • [10:34:47] <panto> echo ${PART-NUMBER}:${REV}
  • [10:34:59] <panto> : <-
  • [10:35:13] <dwery> veeeeery nice! :D
  • [10:35:17] <panto> the dash is used to separate the filenames
  • [10:35:24] <panto> err, the filename parts
  • [10:35:40] <dwery> ok, c_can loaded
  • [10:36:02] <dwery> with a bunch of error messages (
  • [10:39:02] <dwery> ok, packets are flowing. I can confirm that c_can driver works
  • [10:39:49] <panto> \o/
  • [10:40:01] <dwery> ip addr does not show can0.. maybe it's an older version
  • [10:40:09] * panto asks mdp to update the big board
  • [10:40:31] <dwery> I'll have to add support for the other two channels on the MCP2515 can controllers
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  • [10:50:50] <mdp> panto, will do when back in office. you are today's leader until the .us shift starts
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  • [10:51:50] <mdp> panto, nice job getting the spice^Wpackets flowing
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  • [11:17:39] <KotH> mdp: shouldnt the us be waking up every minute now? :)
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  • [11:26:43] <mdp> 30 mins to first shift
  • [11:28:58] <keesj> does anybody care about the beagle-xm support that is currently in the linaro qemu?
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  • [11:29:11] <keesj> We have used it as lot (and still).
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  • [11:29:51] <keesj> it's quite nice for a quick test
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  • [11:53:15] <mdp> keesj, I use one on the power/console server for quick tests :)
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  • [12:16:50] <joerg-sh> hello
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  • [12:19:52] <joerg-sh> someone know if is possible to use the touchscreen from a Iiyama T 2252 MTS B 1 on beaglebone black?
  • [12:20:16] <Jaguar`> something that doesn't seem clear in the beaglebone black documentation - does holding down the boot button force a flash of the eMMC from the sdcard? or just an sdcard boot? or both?
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  • [12:31:50] <fiola> d
  • [12:33:00] <KotH> e
  • [12:34:11] <av500> f
  • [12:34:54] <malcom2073> g
  • [12:35:22] <av500> wrong
  • [12:36:16] <Jaguar`> ok, so it looks like the beagleboard website gives images for angstrom that boot from SD and then flash the emmc, rather than being bootable angstrom images themselves... is this correct?
  • [12:36:49] <Rickta59> that is the same conclusion I came to Jaguar`
  • [12:38:50] <av500> Jaguar`: for BBB, yes
  • [12:38:55] <Jaguar`> thanks guys
  • [12:40:24] <koen> Jaguar`: have you checked the angstrom website?
  • [12:40:34] <koen> e.g. http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [12:40:43] <koen> I know, crazy, checking the angstrom website for angstrom images
  • [12:41:16] * KotH hands koen a straightjacket
  • [12:41:18] <Jaguar`> that wasn't the question
  • [12:41:28] <KotH> koen: put that on, so everyone knows that you are crazy :)
  • [12:41:34] <Jaguar`> i was referring to the beaglebone documentation :)
  • [12:41:41] <Rickta59> seems rather old compared to the eMMC flasher version so someone might rightly regard those images as not as desirable
  • [12:42:07] <koen> heh
  • [12:42:17] <koen> 2013.05.24 old?
  • [12:42:25] <koen> that's todays date
  • [12:42:27] <av500> yes
  • [12:42:32] <av500> where is tomorrows one?
  • [12:42:43] <av500> cant you think ahead?
  • [12:42:49] <Rickta59> you must be seeing sometthing different than what i see on that page
  • [12:42:53] <koen> av500: marty mcfly has it
  • [12:43:11] <Rickta59> 2013.04.13.img.xz is what i see
  • [12:43:34] <av500> Rickta59: get a newer internet
  • [12:43:38] <av500> yours is old
  • [12:43:51] <Rickta59> wtf .. cached page
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  • [12:45:46] <av500> koen: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
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  • [12:48:02] <av500> ah, the mirror still has 4.13
  • [12:48:06] <av500> http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [12:48:19] <av500> as has the s3
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  • [12:48:23] <av500> http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
  • [12:48:33] <Rickta59> yeah i'm pretty unluckly with this stuff so far
  • [12:48:34] <av500> what kind of mirrors are they?
  • [12:48:46] <av500> lightis extremely slow in them
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  • [12:49:28] <Rickta59> i discounted that site as being irrelevant because it didn't have new images
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  • [12:50:50] <av500> it has
  • [12:50:54] <av500> https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.20.img.xz
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  • [12:51:11] <av500> vs http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
  • [12:51:53] <koen> jkridner_ manages all the beagleboard.org and s3 stuff
  • [12:52:04] <tasslehoff> koen: is angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 supposed to be usable/buildable yet?
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  • [12:55:28] <Rickta59> so what would prevent bitbake from creating an ...img.xz for me
  • [12:55:37] <Rickta59> i'm getting through the built successfuly
  • [12:55:46] <Rickta59> i see rootfs fies
  • [12:55:47] <Rickta59> files
  • [12:56:02] <av500> Rickta59: that I dont know
  • [12:56:15] <av500> thats all koen's black magic
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  • [12:59:09] <Rickta59> http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Getting_Started .. 404 not found
  • [12:59:20] <Rickta59> so this is the treasure hunt i've encounterd
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  • [12:59:34] <Rickta59> if you have problems see this page ..
  • [12:59:39] <Rickta59> this page is missing
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  • [13:00:45] <koen> Rickta59: you need root permissions to make an img.xz
  • [13:00:52] <koen> and boot it first on a beaglebone
  • [13:01:16] <Rickta59> to build i need root?
  • [13:01:49] <koen> no
  • [13:01:54] <av500> you also need to run the code on the bone
  • [13:01:58] <koen> 15:00 < koen> Rickta59: you need root permissions to make an img.xz
  • [13:01:59] <koen> 15:00 < koen> and boot it first on a beaglebone
  • [13:02:01] <av500> to get some stuff configured
  • [13:02:02] <Rickta59> that is my problem it isn't building anb img file
  • [13:02:07] <av500> it is not
  • [13:02:14] <av500> [15:01:59] <koen> 15:00 < koen> and boot it first on a beaglebone
  • [13:02:44] <av500> Rickta59: if you want to just play with the stuff, ignore the emmc
  • [13:02:54] <av500> write kernel and rootfs to sd and boot from there
  • [13:03:07] <Rickta59> that is my goal
  • [13:03:14] <av500> so
  • [13:03:19] <av500> you dont need an img
  • [13:03:19] <Rickta59> i want to build a stock img
  • [13:03:25] <Rickta59> once that works i want to add ntfs
  • [13:03:26] <av500> sigh
  • [13:03:36] <av500> you dont need a stock img
  • [13:03:41] <Rickta59> i'm following what instructions i can find
  • [13:03:49] <Rickta59> so i've snagged bitbake
  • [13:03:56] <av500> 1) build angstrom
  • [13:04:00] <av500> 2) write to sd card
  • [13:04:02] <av500> 3) boot
  • [13:04:05] <dwery> uhm.. opkg upgrade seems to have eaten the bone :D
  • [13:04:07] <Rickta59> step 1 is failing
  • [13:04:10] <av500> no
  • [13:04:15] <av500> it builds kernel and rootfs
  • [13:04:20] <Rickta59> the build is not producing a img.xz
  • [13:04:20] <av500> thats all you need
  • [13:04:26] <av500> indeed
  • [13:04:31] <av500> and you DO NOT NEED it
  • [13:04:43] <Rickta59> all the docs seem to indicate it will build that
  • [13:04:48] <av500> like?
  • [13:04:48] <Rickta59> i understand i can copy the files
  • [13:04:53] <av500> good
  • [13:04:55] <av500> then do that
  • [13:05:04] <Rickta59> i'm trying to get it do what it says it should do
  • [13:05:11] <av500> where does it say what?
  • [13:05:16] <av500> link please
  • [13:06:11] <Rickta59> answer this ..
  • [13:06:27] <Rickta59> does building systemd-image create an *img.xz file
  • [13:07:25] <av500> no
  • [13:07:31] <av500> like I said already
  • [13:07:36] <av500> where do you see that it does?
  • [13:07:37] <Rickta59> do i ahve to make that myself?
  • [13:07:40] <av500> no
  • [13:07:42] <av500> you cannot
  • [13:07:46] <Rickta59> http://beaglebone.cameon.net/home/building-the-demo-image-files
  • [13:08:05] <av500> sorry, wont even click it
  • [13:08:10] <av500> ask whoever wrote it
  • [13:08:22] <av500> since when is cameon.net the authority?
  • [13:08:24] <Rickta59> ok .. so .. i use the build system
  • [13:08:38] <Rickta59> i end up with tgz files i have to install?
  • [13:08:57] <Rickta59> where are the proper instructins please link
  • [13:09:12] <av500> what does cloud9-image produce?
  • [13:09:22] <Rickta59> me?
  • [13:09:35] <Rickta59> it doesn't produce and image either
  • [13:09:37] <Rickta59> an
  • [13:10:16] <koen> dunno what you call 'proper instructions', but http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ has instructions
  • [13:10:35] <av500> Rickta59: read the 2nd comment on that post
  • [13:10:43] <av500> "Note: I've seen that the build procedures have changed a bit, and I haven't tested the command sequence above in a while, so I don't know how well it works at this time."
  • [13:11:26] <Rickta59> k ..
  • [13:11:52] <Rickta59> so the only instructions i see are at the bottom of page
  • [13:11:55] <Rickta59> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [13:11:56] <av500> koen: so "bitbake systemd-image" makes an image? :)
  • [13:12:03] <tasslehoff> koen: if dylan should build I suspect you must change the meta-angstrom branch in layers.txt
  • [13:12:08] <Rickta59> git clone .. check did that
  • [13:12:14] <Rickta59> cd setup-scripts check
  • [13:12:22] <Rickta59> ./oebb.sh .. check
  • [13:12:29] <Rickta59> bitbake .. check ..
  • [13:12:34] <Rickta59> didn't produce an image
  • [13:12:48] <Rickta59> so then i went searching for prerequiste install packages
  • [13:12:51] <Rickta59> installed all those
  • [13:13:05] <Rickta59> wondered about apt-get install bitbake .. didn't do it
  • [13:13:11] <Rickta59> because it seemed to be python
  • [13:13:42] <Rickta59> .. noticed comment about sourcing the /home//blahblahblah instead of running ./oebb.sh
  • [13:13:48] <Rickta59> check .. source the file mentioned
  • [13:13:58] <av500> if you have the rootfs tgz
  • [13:14:05] <av500> then you already built all thestuff
  • [13:14:09] * tasslehoff seem to recall someone saying an img is not needed
  • [13:14:20] <koen> tasslehoff: correct, fixed :)
  • [13:14:26] <koen> tasslehoff: thanks for the report
  • [13:14:27] <av500> maybe the -image is misleading
  • [13:14:37] <av500> in that it does not build an .img
  • [13:14:45] <dwery> poor imgs...
  • [13:14:55] <tasslehoff> tasslehoff: my pleasure
  • [13:14:58] <tasslehoff> eh
  • [13:15:03] <tasslehoff> koen: you too
  • [13:15:04] <Rickta59> ok so where are the instructions that tell me how to go from *rootfs.gz .. to sdcard booting
  • [13:15:19] <koen> 15:10 < koen> dunno what you call 'proper instructions', but http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ has instructions
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  • [13:15:39] <koen> seems av500 and I are repeating ourselfs a lot
  • [13:15:58] <Rickta59> ok .. so it doesn't create an img.xz
  • [13:16:20] <Rickta59> and i don't see any way other then "How to Unpack and Boot the Demo Image - the hard way"
  • [13:16:23] <Rickta59> so i guess that is the anser
  • [13:17:20] <Rickta59> so where do i get uncached versions of that page so i know i ahve the latest stuff?
  • [13:19:41] <Rickta59> what is the target audience for beaglebone buyers?
  • [13:20:18] <av500> mixed
  • [13:20:23] <tasslehoff> koen: also, the readme on github says about oebb that "it will NOT switch branches", but that is all in the past, aye?
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  • [13:21:13] <av500> Rickta59: as said multiple times, the build process does not create an img that you can just dd to the card
  • [13:21:27] <av500> since it involves steps like booting it on a bone etc..
  • [13:21:36] <av500> so, again
  • [13:21:42] <av500> copy kernel and rootfs to the card
  • [13:21:43] <Rickta59> why is the target called image then?
  • [13:21:52] <av500> I haz no idea
  • [13:22:19] <av500> "There are only two hard problems in Computer Science:
  • [13:22:20] <av500> cache invalidation and naming things."
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  • [13:25:45] <Rickta59> a simple comment that says "proceed to 'How to Unpack and Boot the Demo Image - the hard way' after building the image would have eliminated all my questions
  • [13:26:16] <Rickta59> and not naming it something-image
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  • [13:32:27] <georgem> I need get some of the patches I did for adding EXT3, resizing, etc to genext2fs upstreamed one of these days.
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  • [13:34:45] <Tey> Good evenin.
  • [13:35:00] <Tey> Does someone know how to boot an .bin file?
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  • [13:37:01] <georgem> Tey: what is in the .bin file?
  • [13:37:01] <panto> PRU bin file? arbitrary bin file?
  • [13:37:16] <av500> cat /dev/random > x.bin
  • [13:37:17] <panto> georgem, please do
  • [13:37:22] <av500> now boot it
  • [13:37:28] <Tey> its the file builded by Visual Studio platform builder :/
  • [13:37:35] <mdp> heh
  • [13:37:38] <av500> ?
  • [13:37:43] <Tey> CE
  • [13:37:44] <Tey> :>
  • [13:37:45] <av500> try adding it AUTOEXEC.BAT
  • [13:37:45] <georgem> oh boy
  • [13:37:49] <panto> so it's /dev/random then
  • [13:38:02] <av500> dont forget to put HIMEM.SYS into CONFIG.SYS
  • [13:38:07] <av500> edit win.ini
  • [13:38:10] <Rickta59> most people here seemed to be focused on linux version of the beagle Tey
  • [13:38:12] <mdp> SPRUH73C.BIN
  • [13:38:15] <Tey> hah
  • [13:38:16] <Tey> :D
  • [13:38:21] <Tey> Rickta59, i know^^
  • [13:38:33] <av500> also you need a DLL
  • [13:38:37] <av500> google for one
  • [13:38:38] <av500> any will do
  • [13:38:42] <Tey> oh cmon^^
  • [13:38:43] <panto> I think it's a COM object
  • [13:38:52] <av500> panto: oh COM on
  • [13:38:52] <Tey> Im 17, help the kidz
  • [13:38:52] <panto> Factory_BreedBeagles
  • [13:39:29] <panto> Tey, the kidz should read something about the tasks they are about to undertake
  • [13:39:40] <georgem> Tey: If by some chance in hell there is something in there that is bootable you should probably beable to get it to boot with uboot by loading it into ram and having it execute it. See help in u-boot
  • [13:39:41] <panto> but don't worry, you're young and the wounds will heal pretty soon
  • [13:39:46] <av500> if the kids are united....
  • [13:40:12] <av500> they'll boot bin files undivided
  • [13:40:38] <mdp> rpi boots bin files
  • [13:40:49] <av500> in soviet bins you
  • [13:40:53] <panto> OMG we have to bridge the bin gap!
  • [13:41:07] * panto prepares the doomsday device
  • [13:41:24] <av500> Tey: sorry, but it's friday....
  • [13:41:33] <mdp> 3.11 will bring BIN support
  • [13:41:36] <mdp> ride the train
  • [13:41:50] <panto> ride the tiger!
  • [13:41:57] <mdp> ride the snake
  • [13:42:00] * georgem breaks out into song
  • [13:42:59] <georgem> spotify, play DIO :)
  • [13:45:07] <Tey> hmm
  • [13:45:51] <panto> yes, we're a bunch of adolescents here too
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  • [13:46:00] <panto> just older and with less hair
  • [13:46:45] <av500> Tey: as said, nobody does WinCE here
  • [13:46:51] <av500> though we wince a lot
  • [13:47:31] <Tey> microsoft sux
  • [13:47:33] <koen> georgem: there is work being done for e2fsprogs
  • [13:47:54] <koen> georgem: to add genext2fs functionality there
  • [13:48:02] <georgem> koen: oh, cool.
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  • [13:48:40] <panto> koen, we could use a method to expand a partition at first boot
  • [13:48:55] <georgem> koen: I always wondered why e2fsprogs didn't have something to build image files
  • [13:49:12] <mdp> koen, dvhart's work?
  • [13:49:17] <koen> yes
  • [13:49:24] <mdp> good stuff I saw
  • [13:49:43] <koen> someone else is continuing that
  • [13:49:58] <mdp> since dvhart went fishing
  • [13:50:06] <koen> exactly
  • [13:50:11] <mdp> har har har
  • [13:50:12] <georgem> panto: I've done that with genext2fs.
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  • [13:50:55] <georgem> sounds like e2fsprogs should beable to build a re-sizable image before too long.
  • [13:50:58] <koen> pengutronix also has a tool
  • [13:50:59] <ka6sox> mourning
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  • [13:51:26] <georgem> koen: which one are you referring to?
  • [13:51:39] <ka6sox> Rickta59, you suggested a tool that looks like the one you showed me but interactive :P
  • [13:51:41] <koen> genimage
  • [13:51:49] <georgem> koen: yeah. Im using that.
  • [13:51:55] <panto> hi ka6sox
  • [13:52:05] <ka6sox> mourning panto!
  • [13:52:26] <ka6sox> but now, Coffee!
  • [13:52:27] <georgem> IIRC that just builds the complete image from the partition images
  • [13:52:28] <ka6sox> brb
  • [13:52:33] <Rickta59> did your kid already crank it out?
  • [13:53:18] <wmat> ka6sox: not sure how current you care to keep the mediawiki software on openembedded.org, but I just upgraded elinux.org to pick up some bug fixes; one in particular that was really killing performance.
  • [13:53:45] <fiola> Anyone know what this means? "Jan 02 06:51:24 beaglebone kernel: net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1". It gets logged when I set up networking manually. Seems to be benign as networking works despite it.
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  • [13:54:42] <georgem> fiola: I think it means there is no phy connected to the second port on the cpsw
  • [13:55:16] <ka6sox> wmat, I'd love to keep it current, is there an announce or bigfix email list like for jenkins?
  • [13:55:19] <fiola> Aha, if there was, we'd have an eth1?
  • [13:55:31] <georgem> fiola: yes. I have a board that does
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  • [13:55:46] <fiola> georgem: Very cool, thanks
  • [13:55:59] <panto> fiola, yes, there are two gige macs (and a switch) in the die
  • [13:56:22] <av500> can we make the 2nd gige bitbang usb?
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  • [13:56:41] <panto> the sky is the limit
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  • [13:56:43] <panto> you go ahead
  • [13:56:49] <fiola> Heh, sounds like there's room for a BeagleBone Max with two interfaces then. Make it pink please :P
  • [13:57:28] <av500> fiola: http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdxevm3358
  • [13:57:30] <av500> there, done
  • [13:57:37] <av500> with Max price too
  • [13:57:49] <av500> gee only 1 eth
  • [13:58:16] <fiola> That's not cute. BeagleBone form factor is cute :P
  • [13:58:48] <av500> its the beagleboar
  • [13:59:34] <kfoltman> I think the first thing I'd expect on BeagleBone Max would be full-res HDMI
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  • [13:59:41] <georgem> I'm using http://www.phytec.com/products/system-on-modules/phycore/am335x/ and just making a carrier board.
  • [13:59:47] <av500> ah, they removed the 2nd eth on the Max
  • [13:59:53] <av500> \o/ phytec
  • [14:00:08] <av500> free beer
  • [14:01:03] <fiola> Dunno, full res HDMI would bring in the XBMC hordes. Not sure it's worth the suffering.
  • [14:01:10] <av500> indeed
  • [14:01:32] <malcom2073> Heh
  • [14:01:37] <av500> well, we could add the pi SoC and use it as a frame buffer
  • [14:01:43] <av500> make a pi cape
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  • [14:02:02] <malcom2073> Haha, that's awesome.
  • [14:02:05] <malcom2073> (In a bad sorta way)
  • [14:02:08] <SpeedEvil> I want outputws that can do 2500*1600 displays
  • [14:02:13] <kfoltman> a better ploy to shift the remaining old part stock? (-:
  • [14:02:22] <fiola> av500: That's not such a bad idea, it's the only thing the Pi does well, seems appropriate.
  • [14:02:38] * dm8tbr agrees
  • [14:02:49] <SpeedEvil> not very long ago, there were wireless arduino shields that cost more than a pi plus a WiFi dongle
  • [14:02:57] <kfoltman> how about "keeping XBMC hordes at bay", Pi is doing that pretty well...
  • [14:02:59] <georgem> Someone has to do something about all of this PowerVR madness. If I had a few hundred million $ laying around I start a company to make a low power GPU with open source drivers :)
  • [14:03:11] <Defiant> uhm, what do you have against the pi?
  • [14:03:11] <malcom2073> Not very long ago, it cost $50+ just to get ethernet on a arduino, much less wirless heh
  • [14:03:15] <malcom2073> I have one of those $50 shields
  • [14:03:42] <fiola> And the cheap Pi model A could be used for that, no need for the broken USB and ether of model B.
  • [14:04:06] <kfoltman> fiola: "broken USB"... glass houses, stones, etc.
  • [14:04:19] * kfoltman plugs a keyboard to his BBB... watches it crash
  • [14:05:04] <ka6sox> kfoltman, are you using a Mac keyboard?
  • [14:05:31] <georgem> Pry off the windows key and see if it fixes it :)
  • [14:05:54] <kfoltman> ka6sox: no, but the same thing happens when I connect a USB keyboard or mouse or even a USB soundcard, different kernels (3.2.x, 3.8.6 I think), didn't try the most recent one because I got it as part of opkg upgrade, you can imagine the rest of the story (-:
  • [14:05:58] <fiola> kfoltman: Whether or not BBB's USB is broken doesn't impact on Pi. The Pi's is horribly broken by design of its controller and can't be fixed. I don't think there are any terminal issues with BBB's USB, just needs work.
  • [14:06:06] <MrM0bius> wait, how can it crash? i thought linux never did that but windows always did?
  • [14:06:23] <kfoltman> ka6sox: matter of fact, it was a Microsoft Desktop Wired 600 keyboard
  • [14:07:19] <ka6sox> kfoltman, I'm just asking because the Mac ones have a hub in them.
  • [14:07:20] <fiola> Funnily enough, if the Pi had PRUs, they could fix their USB issues since they'd have the realtime response.
  • [14:07:33] <kfoltman> how is Pi USB terminally broken, other than the infamous fuse problem?
  • [14:07:39] <georgem> MrM0bius: thats were people go wrong. The difference is that if windows crashes you're pretty much screwed, if Linux crashes you can fix it yourself and move on :)
  • [14:08:21] <MrM0bius> i still dont buy it
  • [14:08:31] <kfoltman> georgem: (*) the offer doesn't apply to people who can't learn kernel development quickly enough
  • [14:08:39] <fiola> kfoltman: Oh, you don't know about the USB controller? There's a whole thread about it on the Pi forums, RPF engineers explained why it's broken. Can't be fixed short of programming a new USB handler in the VideoCore.
  • [14:09:06] <georgem> kfoltman: oh well... who cares about them right? :P
  • [14:10:12] <panto> fiola, the USB controller is videocore? lol
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  • [14:11:57] <fiola> kfoltman: Short summary: The Pi's USB hardware is only half a controller, with the driver being required to pick up the rest. Unfortunately, that requires realtime response so that USB's split transactions are handled in the 1 ms window that's available. When the ARM is doing something else, it can't meet that response window and so USB events are dropped.
  • [14:12:36] <georgem> fiola: sounds like it needs PREEMPT RT
  • [14:12:41] <kfoltman> fiola: ok, thanks!
  • [14:13:15] <fiola> IOW, Broadcom made the chip not for general purpose hosts, but for a media player that only uses the ARM core for housekeeping and so is always responsive.
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  • [14:14:32] <fiola> Just cost cutting. They made the BCM2835 for a specific purpose, and it's fine for that. RPF should not however have chosen it for a general host with general USB requirements.
  • [14:14:36] <Rickta59> so what sites are authorized to provide infomation about angstrom?
  • [14:14:50] <georgem> I have PREEMPT RT 3.8.11 running on my beaglebone. Working well so far at least.
  • [14:15:27] <ka6sox> some sales guy is still laughing...
  • [14:15:36] <ka6sox> @ broadcom
  • [14:17:04] <kfoltman> fiola: it could still be worked around (to some extent) by running linux kernel as a guest in some rt microkernel thingy? (xenomai perhaps)
  • [14:17:18] <panto> georgem, oh?
  • [14:17:22] <panto> no driver blowups?
  • [14:17:46] <georgem> panto: nothing obvious. I haven't exactly tested the crap out of it
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  • [14:17:57] <panto> I'm surprised
  • [14:18:02] <kfoltman> georgem: !!! I'll probably have some questions then :) (I'm working on a e-drum module)
  • [14:18:23] <ka6sox> the PRU might help here....
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  • [14:19:34] <fiola> kfoltman: Well, Linux's realtime scheduler just limits the large scheduling outliers, it doesn't speed up interrupt response nor reduce response jitter (in fact it slows down the response slightly), so dunno. It's not like using a PRU.
  • [14:19:46] <kfoltman> ka6sox: perhaps - I'm currently trying to do the trigger-to-MIDI using a separate stm32f303 (well, a stm32f3discovery board, I'm an electronics n00b), but I was thinking of using a couple of mcp3208 connected to bbb's spi instead, perhaps
  • [14:20:21] <kfoltman> ka6sox: and then, yes, pru would be handy to do adc scanning/peak detection I suppose
  • [14:20:31] <ka6sox> mebbe...but Contorting the Linux Kernel to do RT seems like an abomination.
  • [14:20:59] <ka6sox> kfoltman, you could probably use a 50Mbps ADC on it...
  • [14:21:01] <ka6sox> so yes.
  • [14:21:07] <georgem> What kind of response do you need?
  • [14:21:41] <kfoltman> ka6sox: mixing 32+ streams of audio (based on 100MB+ of samples) doesn't look like a good task for PRUs, I suppose
  • [14:21:53] <kfoltman> but trigger detection should be easy enough
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  • [14:22:13] <fiola> I use the RT scheduler for Jack audio + MIDI in Linux, and it's only just barely adequate, still get periodic overruns.
  • [14:22:31] <kfoltman> georgem: I need to run my sample playback code every 1ms, and it may take a significant portion of the CPU time during that (75%+)
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  • [14:23:18] <kfoltman> fiola: I've disabled SMIs on my server box to get stable-ish low latency - risky but it's an atom box so probably not a lot of crying involved if it fries
  • [14:23:26] <georgem> kfoltman: yeah. thats pretty challenging
  • [14:23:42] <kfoltman> fiola: (using Xenomai patch - I only use it to disable SMIs, stupid, I know)
  • [14:24:36] <ka6sox> kfoltman, MIDI or i2s style audio?
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  • [14:25:07] <kfoltman> ka6sox: which one, the BBB drum project or the x86 stuff I run on the server?
  • [14:25:14] <fiola> Well an STM32F4-Discovery costs a tenner, so if I wanted to make a multiport audio interface I think I'd just stack a bunch of those boards together. Cortex-M4F is perfect for tasks like that, and Linux isn't.
  • [14:25:28] <ka6sox> the 32+ streams
  • [14:25:49] <SpeedEvil> depends
  • [14:26:01] <SpeedEvil> if your gpio can do DMA, maybe
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  • [14:26:29] <kfoltman> ka6sox: USB audio, actually - i2s if I can learn to write a driver stack
  • [14:26:30] <ka6sox> the PRUs don't have enough pins to do 32streams
  • [14:26:47] <SpeedEvil> spdif
  • [14:26:51] <SpeedEvil> only 16 needed
  • [14:26:51] <ka6sox> (well the BBB doesnt' rather)
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  • [14:27:03] <kfoltman> fiola: I have F4DISCOVERY, maybe I'm a total moron but I couldn't get the DAC clocking sync to USB frames sorry :(
  • [14:27:15] <koen> panto: from the preempt rt patchset:
  • [14:27:15] <koen> Applying: net/cpsw: giant cpsw patch
  • [14:28:03] <kfoltman> fiola: also, 100MB+ sample set, F4DISCOVERY, hmmm :)
  • [14:28:14] <fiola> Ouch, evil requirement :P
  • [14:28:42] <kfoltman> and it's not like it could be easily partitioned so that each board in the stack would have its own part of data - you can have a ride cymbal swell where each voice uses the same sample, at a different point
  • [14:29:06] <SpeedEvil> setting up large DDR chips isn't that bad
  • [14:29:20] <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: bus arbitration between several F4 boards?
  • [14:29:20] <panto> hmm, you do know that using the PRU you could have killer low latency for music-like instruments
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  • [14:29:45] <panto> what is the typical latency from the time one hits a key/drum and the time audio comes out?
  • [14:30:30] <kfoltman> panto: <5ms not including trigger detection (which depends on pad type I think, higher for kick drum or rubber pads, lower for plasticky and mesh pads I suppose)
  • [14:30:42] <georgem> koen: yes there is a giant cpsw patch that conflicted with net/0003-cpsw-Fix-interrupt-storm-among-other-things.patch. I disabled 003-cpsw-Fix-interrupt-storm-among-other-things.patch until I could sort that out.
  • [14:30:56] <kfoltman> but that's pulled out of my ass, I didn't do actual input-output measurement with an oscilloscope
  • [14:31:14] <fiola> panto: If there were a community project for turning a BBB (or a few) into a power instrument or DAW, it would undoubtedly be hugely interesting.
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  • [14:31:36] <kfoltman> fiola: how about a Hammond organ emulator?
  • [14:31:36] <panto> in theory you could have latency down to usecs
  • [14:31:47] <kfoltman> fiola: (check)
  • [14:31:53] <ka6sox> kfoltman, B3
  • [14:32:00] <panto> but for pre-canned samples, no DSP stuff
  • [14:32:15] <kfoltman> ka6sox: well, B3-ish - it doesn't have some features, and some parts cut corners
  • [14:32:29] <ka6sox> no pedals?
  • [14:32:30] <ka6sox> :)
  • [14:32:42] <kfoltman> no rotary speaker (but that's Leslie, not B3)
  • [14:32:52] <ka6sox> right...
  • [14:33:00] <fiola> kfoltman: Well a hardwired instrument would reduce the potential audience, but a generic one (PRU plugins :P) wouldn't exclude anybody.
  • [14:33:02] <kfoltman> but I did scanner vibrato, and it kind of sounds OKish
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  • [14:33:11] <ka6sox> I had an uncle who had a Leslie...
  • [14:33:26] <ka6sox> the motor noise got too bad for me to listen to....
  • [14:33:27] <kfoltman> fiola: exclusion is good, in a way
  • [14:33:37] <kfoltman> fiola: my point is "Hammond is already done and working on BBB"
  • [14:33:45] <fiola> Really?
  • [14:33:58] <kfoltman> yepz
  • [14:34:08] <kfoltman> for both points :)
  • [14:35:53] <kfoltman> fiola: before someone accuses me of talking out of my ass, here's the source (for the audio code) http://repo.or.cz/w/calfbox.git/blob/a40e56e8a9a21f312481e31a39e37cbd81809f53:/tonewheel.c - I didn't put up the BBB build or images online anywhere, but might do it if there's any interest
  • [14:38:55] <kfoltman> funnily enough, the Hammond emu is the only part of the project that works well on the BBB, because it's mostly integer arithmetic - other engines, like the SFZ-compatible sampler, use floating point arithmetic and are too slow to get any reasonable number of voices (I might rewrite the resampling/filtering code using NEON at some point, I just need more time)
  • [14:40:45] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/c6rz9w
  • [14:40:45] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 c44bb5c Koen Kooi: 3.8: add (disabled) preempt-rt patchset, minus cpsw changes...
  • [14:41:03] <fiola> kfoltman: That's quite some project! Are you blogging about it?
  • [14:41:28] <kfoltman> fiola: no, I had a blog, but I close it, no point really
  • [14:41:29] <kfoltman> closed
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  • [14:42:10] <mranostay> hmmm a bridge went down on I-5 it seems
  • [14:42:36] <fiola> Oh I don't mean a blog specifically, any kind of site, wiki etc. I think it could inspire a lot of people, open source being a bit of an underdog for musicians.
  • [14:45:03] <fiola> Not to mention inspiring BBB users with ideas, even if they don't make music.
  • [14:45:42] <fiola> They might want to listen to yours, haha :P
  • [14:45:48] <kfoltman> fiola: it's not strictly BBB-related, I just picked BBB as the first non-x86 platform to run it (after failed experiments with RPi - too slow - and some Chinese TV-stick - way too unstable)
  • [14:46:13] <fiola> k
  • [14:48:41] <fiola> I thought I'd got rid of all traces of dropear in favor of openssh, but apparently not -- "systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency job for unit dropbear.socket, ignoring: Unit dropbear.socket failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status dropbear.socket' for details."
  • [14:49:14] <georgem> yeah, seems not
  • [14:49:48] <ka6sox> mranostay, stay home, the cat will thank you....
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  • [14:51:19] <KotH> mranostay: either you had an earthquake or someone saved money on the materials or design
  • [14:52:01] <mranostay> later
  • [14:52:04] <mranostay> *latter
  • [14:52:25] <ka6sox> KotH, an oversized Truck hit the bridge
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  • [14:52:43] <ka6sox> but Trusses don't like to be crumpled...
  • [14:52:46] <ka6sox> so it failed.
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  • [14:54:43] <levi> Where on I-5?
  • [14:55:22] <ka6sox> Burlington WA
  • [14:55:30] <ka6sox> Near Anacortes
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  • [14:57:56] <wmat> interesting, the #1 and #2 most popular pages on elinux.org are now RPi pages. BeagleBoard page is #3.
  • [14:58:13] <kfoltman> that's not bad given all the exposure that Pi had
  • [14:58:31] <kfoltman> and the price of BeagleBoard
  • [14:58:38] <ka6sox> (up till now)
  • [14:58:59] <wmat> it took roughly 1 year
  • [14:59:12] <ka6sox> for beagle to be unseated?
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  • [14:59:29] <wmat> specifically, for the RPi pages to jump to the top
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  • [14:59:53] <ka6sox> kk
  • [15:00:07] * panto despairs with the retarded remoteproc resource blob format
  • [15:00:17] <wmat> i'm not complaining, it's just interesting
  • [15:02:12] <fiola> wmat: BBB is only just starting to come into stock, will be interesting to see the community in 6 months time.
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  • [15:05:49] <kfoltman> Anyway, if anyone's interested in trying out the Hammond thingy, I might polish things up and put up some web page with build script and some basic instructions. It requires a USB MIDI interface (for input), a USB audio interface (for output), and obviously a USB hub - all of which must be class compliant (the code uses libusb instead of ALSA to talk to outside world).
  • [15:06:12] <ka6sox> kfoltman, LOVE the B3 sound :)
  • [15:06:19] <SpeedEvil> there are also interesting smaller Linux boards at 20??? or so
  • [15:06:33] <SpeedEvil> with wifi and 16m ram
  • [15:06:45] <ka6sox> 16MB?
  • [15:06:48] <kfoltman> :O
  • [15:07:04] <kfoltman> does Linux even run on that :D
  • [15:07:10] <SpeedEvil> fine for remote sensors or switches
  • [15:07:22] <SpeedEvil> my DSL router has 8
  • [15:07:51] <kfoltman> right, if you need wifi, it probably makes sense
  • [15:07:57] <georgem> yeah, if you've got busybox doing mostly everything it doesnt take much
  • [15:08:45] <SpeedEvil> its at the sort of price point that sticking one in all your light switches doesn't hurt too bad
  • [15:08:53] <ka6sox> where "everything" is defined as a very small subset of the universe...
  • [15:09:03] <georgem> SpeedEvil: I had that thought
  • [15:09:44] <ka6sox> MSP430 with Touch Sensor backpack....
  • [15:10:49] <kfoltman> ka6sox: any mcu - but I thought wifi is the main problem for those
  • [15:11:28] <kfoltman> "tap the top border of the light switch to turn on the light upstairs, tap the bottom border to activate the trap door"
  • [15:13:20] <georgem> I keep trying to think of beaglebone project that would actually result in something worth while.
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  • [15:13:55] <Defiant> like world domination?
  • [15:14:04] <georgem> hehe
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  • [15:34:32] <fiola> Could the BBB's USB client/gadget port be made to behave like a USB keyboard or mouse, plugged into another machine's host port?
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  • [15:35:07] <kfoltman> Why not? It's a USB device port?
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  • [15:37:02] <SpeedEvil> there are a limited set of USB gadget drivers already written though
  • [15:37:22] <fiola> Indeed, seems reasonable enough. The next question was going to be whether it would work through a USB->PS/2 adapter (passive) for plugging into PS/2 mouse or keyboard port. And the question after that was going to be whether it could do both simultaneously.
  • [15:37:25] <mranostay> georgem: missile launcher
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  • [15:37:48] <SpeedEvil> fiola: no
  • [15:37:56] <kfoltman> USB->PS/2 adapter (passive) - wait, what?
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  • [15:38:08] <mru> bitbang ps/2 on the pru
  • [15:38:11] <SpeedEvil> the passive converters rely on the USB peripheral also talking PS/2
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  • [15:38:43] <SpeedEvil> they basically only worked for some mice and keyboards sold between maybe 99 and 05
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  • [15:39:30] <fiola> mru: should be pretty easy to bit bang the simple PS/2 signals, so yeah, could do that. I was wondering if anything would be saved by using the (unused) upstream gadget port.
  • [15:39:54] <fiola> SpeedEvil, yeah, I noticed, working combinations are VERY rare :P
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  • [15:40:32] <SpeedEvil> there were ps2 host to USB device adaptors
  • [15:40:34] <kfoltman> Does anyone know if beaglebone ADC ports have clamping diodes / tolerate highish voltage/low current transients?
  • [15:40:42] <SpeedEvil> they were quite rare thoiufh
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  • [15:41:37] <mranostay> mru: what uses PS/2 still?
  • [15:41:40] <mranostay> credit card readers?
  • [15:42:07] <SpeedEvil> I routinely use a ps2 keyboard
  • [15:42:16] <SpeedEvil> keyboard/track point
  • [15:42:28] <malcom2073> I keep a PS2 keyboard around, for the occasional motherboard that doesn't support usb kb in bios
  • [15:42:35] <SpeedEvil> the usb version got a redesigned layout I don't like
  • [15:42:36] <fiola> SpeedEvil: This is for a local use that would be awesome for me, because I have an 8-port high res KVM that does both USB and PS/2 on the machines side, but only PS/2 on the console side, which is a right pain.
  • [15:43:04] <SpeedEvil> ps2 keyboards are cheap on eBay
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  • [15:43:54] <mranostay> what is the bitrate for PS/2? low kbps?
  • [15:44:20] <malcom2073> mranostay: http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/
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  • [15:45:29] <fiola> Last thing I want is another PS/2 keyboard, cause no end of trouble. The point would be to eliminate the PS/2 except for a short hop from BBB to KVM. And the BBB would also allow other HID devices on USB or network to hook into the KVM's PS/2 inputs too, so very flexible.
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  • [15:46:22] <fiola> Like Synergy2, but without the silly switching on window borders.
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  • [15:47:11] <kfoltman> Isn't it easier to just eliminate the silly switching in software?
  • [15:47:39] <fiola> Yep, but still need the upstream hook into PS/2.
  • [15:47:53] <m_billybob> mornin
  • [15:48:01] * fiola waves
  • [15:48:21] <m_billybob> see you have grand plans to take ove rthe world going on in here ;)
  • [15:48:22] <kfoltman> hi m_billybob
  • [15:48:39] <m_billybob> hi
  • [15:48:53] <fiola> m_billybob: world domination is just the warmup project
  • [15:49:48] <m_billybob> ;)
  • [15:50:24] <fiola> The really tough one is to make the microwave turntable stop turning when the mug is pointing to the door.
  • [15:50:41] <kfoltman> doesn't this PS/2 thing look like a poor man's I2C?
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  • [15:50:47] <fiola> mug handle* :P
  • [15:51:14] <mru> round things don't point
  • [15:51:23] <mru> except axially
  • [15:51:52] <fiola> Yeah, PS/2 is Jurassic.
  • [15:52:20] <panto> fiola, more reliable than usb for sure
  • [15:52:58] <mru> I've never seen a bios hang because of a ps2 kbd
  • [15:53:14] <dm8tbr> 'press F1 to continue'
  • [15:53:50] <fiola> You missed the good part: "No keyboard detected, press F1 to continue".
  • [15:54:12] <cmicali> anyone know the story behind the preempt-rt patches going into the beagle bone 3.8 kernel tree?
  • [15:55:25] <KotH> fiola: what problem do you have with old style kbds?
  • [15:55:28] <malcom2073> [11:53:56] <fiola> You missed the good part: "No keyboard detected, press F1 to continue". <- That message has caused me more headaches...
  • [15:55:51] * dm8tbr still uses keyboards with DIN-5 connector
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  • [15:56:04] <kfoltman> malcom2073: Especially when it's the default BIOS setting after RTC battery runs out? ;)
  • [15:56:09] <dm8tbr> although I have an adapter for PS/2 and then to USB... :/
  • [15:56:09] <KotH> fiola: and the kbd interface is older than the ps/2.. it was iirc present in the first PCs and that was derived from another ibm computer kbd
  • [15:56:14] <malcom2073> kfoltman: bingo!
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  • [15:56:58] <dm8tbr> AT-interface is electrically compatible with PS/2 - AFAIU
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  • [15:57:05] <KotH> dm8tbr: it is the same :)
  • [15:57:17] <KotH> just smaller connector
  • [15:57:20] <KotH> even the pinout is the same
  • [15:57:22] <dm8tbr> as the adapter are just plain wires
  • [15:57:41] <dm8tbr> yup
  • [15:58:19] <KotH> but don't they teach these stuff in school anymore?
  • [15:58:20] <fiola> KotH: not with the keyboard, but with PS/2. (i) It's not RF immune, and (ii) it doesn't detect frame/packet loss, so if anything happens mid-frame you end up with messed-up input. If you're LUCKY you just get a desync, if not then your whole app or xterm etc is hosed.
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  • [15:58:42] <KotH> fiola: huh? what?
  • [15:59:07] <dm8tbr> fiola: that was mostly the keyboard controllers sh*tting themselves if they got a tiny little bit of RF...
  • [15:59:18] <KotH> fiola: if you have RF input strong enough to mess with a shielded kable with 5V TTL signals that are clocked at a rate of a couple kHz, then i'm surprised that your PC is running at all
  • [15:59:22] <fiola> dm8tbr: yeah
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  • [15:59:47] * KotH never had that problem
  • [15:59:48] * dm8tbr measured a case once and they gave up already >3V/m
  • [15:59:59] <KotH> but then, i never had a 1kW HF transmitter at home either
  • [16:00:07] <dm8tbr> but the keyboards were crappy SINIX
  • [16:00:11] <fiola> Seriously RF immunity, if you have a radio amateur mast anywhere in the neighbourhood then your mouse wanders all over the screen etc.
  • [16:00:20] <fiola> bad*
  • [16:00:32] <KotH> fiola: does it have a CE symbol on the mouse?
  • [16:00:34] <dm8tbr> that field was generated by a 'modestly sized' amplifier capable of about 10kW HF peak
  • [16:00:36] <kfoltman> fiola: isn't that just a question of proper cables?
  • [16:00:55] <KotH> fiola: if yes, ask the manufacturer how they would like if someone would look up their certification documents
  • [16:00:56] <fiola> Nah, it's the controller like dm8 says
  • [16:01:16] <dm8tbr> which is easy enough to fix with proper cabling
  • [16:01:25] <dm8tbr> ferrite inside the kbd/mouse
  • [16:01:29] <KotH> yeah
  • [16:01:31] <dm8tbr> and shielded cables
  • [16:01:42] <mru> monster cables
  • [16:01:54] <dm8tbr> I laughed the computer lab out the door when they complained about their 'computers locking up'
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  • [16:02:06] * KotH did a cable bound 100W injection EMC test on tuesday
  • [16:02:09] <kfoltman> mru: I think that's a lawsuit ;)
  • [16:02:18] <fiola> It helps, but never cures it entirely. I've had so many KVMs here, they all suffered in varying degrees. With USB, it never ever happens.
  • [16:02:20] <KotH> it was fun to watch all the measurment instruments go crazy :)
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  • [16:02:46] <mru> monsters are clearly superior to mice
  • [16:02:49] <dm8tbr> sure HF can do nasty things :>
  • [16:02:50] <cmicali> koth: did you do it in a chamber?
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  • [16:02:58] <KotH> dm8tbr: did they have these gamer PC cases with the plexi glass sides? :)
  • [16:02:59] <kfoltman> what about monster mice?
  • [16:03:06] <KotH> cmicali: yes, but the door was open
  • [16:03:15] <mru> fiola: usb is differential
  • [16:03:17] <cmicali> koth: cool, always wanted to do that
  • [16:03:24] <dm8tbr> KotH: SINIX keyboard with unshielded cable and an RJ11 connector on the kbd side...
  • [16:03:33] <KotH> cmicali: the EMC test was cable bound, so very little emission
  • [16:03:52] <KotH> cmicali: we were in the chamber just because all the wires for the measurment instruments go in there
  • [16:03:59] <KotH> cmicali: you can do the test on your desk
  • [16:04:09] <KotH> dm8tbr: well... then... no surprise
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  • [16:04:12] <cmicali> koth: what do you use to generate the signal?
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  • [16:04:22] <dm8tbr> KotH: see 'laughed them out the door'
  • [16:04:28] <KotH> cmicali: some R&S synth with an R&S amp
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  • [16:04:38] <dm8tbr> ah, expensive???
  • [16:04:53] <cmicali> koth: how bananas did your system go
  • [16:04:54] <KotH> dm8tbr: they do CE acredition.. they need to have expensive equipment :)
  • [16:04:59] <dm8tbr> sure
  • [16:05:07] <KotH> cmicali: not at all
  • [16:05:15] <cmicali> nicely done
  • [16:05:26] <KotH> only partly our work
  • [16:05:36] <KotH> design was done by a polnish group
  • [16:05:47] <KotH> we only had to verify and get it pass the tests
  • [16:05:48] <dm8tbr> well that's the idea of doing proper EMC
  • [16:05:53] <cmicali> ah, from polnand
  • [16:05:57] <dm8tbr> lol
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  • [16:06:01] <dm8tbr> that's a new one
  • [16:06:15] <KotH> dm8tbr: ehmm.. proper design looks different than what we got...
  • [16:06:38] <dm8tbr> KotH: yes, you complained to me in person at ELCE(?)
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  • [16:06:53] <KotH> dm8tbr: labling a network HGND which is actually on -1kV isnt ... nice
  • [16:07:04] <fiola> Anyway, the best suggestion I think was "bit-bang PS/2" into some short PS/2 leads, with line drivers. I can shield the short hop from BBB to KVM to kingdom come.
  • [16:07:05] <mru> proper rarely equals actual
  • [16:07:15] <dm8tbr> KotH: that's 'exciting'
  • [16:07:40] <KotH> dm8tbr: it gets even better
  • [16:07:57] <mru> KotH: but it has lots of potential
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  • [16:08:47] <KotH> dm8tbr: the system needs to be initialized over an isolated SPI bus. the initialization has to be done within 20ms of startup. but the SPI isolation has a maximum frequency of 10kHz... and you need to clock in 60 or so bytes
  • [16:09:25] <kfoltman> is there any decent documentation on using PRU on BBB?
  • [16:09:47] <KotH> kfoltman: there is spruh73c.pdf
  • [16:09:53] <dm8tbr> KotH: 'challenging'
  • [16:10:04] <KotH> dm8tbr: ofc that was nowhere documented
  • [16:10:21] <KotH> dm8tbr: we even had to reverse engineer the intialization string....
  • [16:10:37] <dm8tbr> duuuh
  • [16:10:39] <fiola> Jason said he was going to extract the PRU chapter from SPRUH73C and stick in on Github with the PRU materials.
  • [16:10:41] <KotH> dm8tbr: you wouldnt believe that this is going to fly onto a space station...
  • [16:10:52] * Fusty is now known as Fusty|Away
  • [16:12:49] <KotH> anyways.. time for a proper weekend!
  • [16:12:52] <KotH> have fun boys
  • [16:12:56] <KotH> dont drink too much
  • [16:13:08] <dm8tbr> enjoy
  • [16:13:09] <KotH> especially ensure that mranostay isnt drinking too much
  • [16:13:17] <dm8tbr> don't drink too much juice
  • [16:13:23] <KotH> i wont..
  • [16:13:38] <KotH> i'll be drinking tea in this weahter :)
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  • [16:15:16] <mru> is there _anywhere_ with good weather?
  • [16:15:18] <kfoltman> there's this - https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package - but I don't know if it's not another red herring
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  • [16:16:25] <mranostay> KotH: 3 day weekend that can't be promised
  • [16:16:27] <mru> spruh73c is on elinux.org
  • [16:16:36] <fiola> kfoltman: That's not a red herring, those are the official PRU materials. The missing chapter (4) from SPRUH73C will end up there too when jkridner gets around to it.
  • [16:16:47] <mranostay> the evil TRM?
  • [16:16:58] <panto> question
  • [16:17:04] <panto> what is the license of pasm?
  • [16:17:15] <panto> can I stick in the linux kernel tree?
  • [16:17:32] <mru> use at your own peril?
  • [16:17:43] * kfoltman -> home
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  • [16:18:13] <mru> we'd tell you, but then we'd have to sue you?
  • [16:18:24] <panto> fsck it them
  • [16:18:27] <panto> *then
  • [16:18:44] <mru> I have no idea
  • [16:19:24] <mranostay> panto: i beleive it is BSD
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  • [16:19:33] <mranostay> or some TI bastard version of it
  • [16:19:37] <panto> it appears so
  • [16:20:28] <panto> well, I can use it for my case
  • [16:20:48] <panto> maybe it shouldn't be picked up for release
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  • [16:23:34] <mranostay> everyone hide from NishanthMenon
  • [16:24:00] * mru scurries under a bridge
  • [16:24:11] * NishanthMenon runs off back to the bunker
  • [16:24:12] <mranostay> not in Seattle right?
  • [16:24:13] <NishanthMenon> :P
  • [16:24:44] <mru> mranostay: I'm in berlin at the moment
  • [16:25:04] <mranostay> the germans let you in?
  • [16:25:22] <mranostay> _av500_: you guys are really slipping
  • [16:25:23] <mru> seems that way
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  • [16:25:35] <fiola> Oh cool, Jason did upload chapter 4 from spruh73c to Github, it's that am335xPruReferenceGuide.pdf file at top level. The Pi hordes can no longer say "PRU isn't documented". :P
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  • [16:26:46] <mranostay> does it have the secret instructions?
  • [16:27:10] <mru> then they wouldn't be secret
  • [16:27:28] <mranostay> TI can't keep a secret for the life of them :P
  • [16:28:01] <fiola> The NOOP instruction is proprietary and restricted under NDA :P
  • [16:28:33] <mru> mranostay: but don't tell anyone, it's secret
  • [16:29:01] <easyw> Hi, I have a BB Black and I attached a HDMI monitor... there is a flickering... how can I change resolution / frequency for the monitor? (Angstrom Linux beaglebone 3.8.11)
  • [16:29:08] <fiola> Worse than just secret, it's s3kr37.
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  • [16:32:31] <fiola> easyw: Don't have an answer, but I plugged my BBB into HDMI within the last hour for the first time (was using console before), and I notice that it offers only one resolution and doesn't read my monitor's EDID.
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  • [16:35:06] <easyw> fiola: I noticed that, but the problem is that the screen is jittering... in System, Preferences, Monitor I can see Resolution 1280x720, refresh rate 0 ???
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  • [16:39:52] <fiola> easyw: My BBB set itself to 1280x1024 (the monitor does up to 1920x1200), but the refresh is showing same as yours, 0Hz.
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  • [16:41:41] <easyw> fiola: I have 1920x1080 monitor resolution, I get 1280x720 @ BBB but the screen is flickering ...
  • [16:42:02] <fiola> The window manager is driving me nuts, and apparently there is no IceWM package in Angstrom. I'll try compiling from source.
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  • [16:42:55] <fiola> Right after I get rid of gdm.
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  • [16:54:43] <lolizo> HI
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  • [16:55:05] <lolizo> helloo
  • [16:55:11] <lolizo> i have one question
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  • [16:57:25] <m_billybob> im sure there is an answer somewhere
  • [16:57:35] <m_billybob> as long as its a reasonable question
  • [16:57:40] <malcom2073> Just one? I got a lot more than that heh
  • [16:57:48] <m_billybob> malcom2073 me too lol
  • [16:58:05] <m_billybob> all in good time though
  • [16:58:14] <m_billybob> lolizo, dont ask to ask, just ask ;)
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  • [16:59:19] <lolizo> ping 8.8.8.8
  • [17:00:08] <malcom2073> Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=53
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  • [17:00:17] <m_billybob> heh
  • [17:00:28] <Rickta59> heh malcom2073 you need a faster connection
  • [17:00:31] <m_billybob> "no such address found . . ."
  • [17:01:02] <malcom2073> Rickta59: Wanna pay the $30k for me to get one? I've asked :P
  • [17:01:04] <fiola> Reply from 8.8.8.8: "Open access DNS has been withdrawn, please login to your Google Account for further use."
  • [17:01:39] <m_billybob> or just "bend over and take it we're trackign every move you're making . . "
  • [17:01:55] <fiola> (It's only a matter of time. :P)
  • [17:01:55] <georgem> yup
  • [17:02:02] <mru> just run your own dns
  • [17:02:06] <panto> ok, pasm included, and in kernel pru firmware assembling works
  • [17:02:11] <m_billybob> they already track you fiola, googles DNS servers.
  • [17:02:15] <georgem> yay for off shore vpn accounts :)
  • [17:02:27] <mru> I don't think the root servers care who you are
  • [17:02:54] <panto> the root servers don't care about us man
  • [17:03:00] <panto> down with them
  • [17:03:18] <m_billybob> if you use google DNS, check netstat you'll see like 6+ open connections
  • [17:05:56] <panto> anyone having problems with github right now?
  • [17:06:22] <fiola> It's fun to run tyhe Ghostery add-on in Firefox and watch the trackers all being blocked. On some pages there's over a dozen of them.
  • [17:07:28] <fiola> panto: the PRU package page on Github opens fine here, haven't tried git today.
  • [17:07:40] <panto> can't push
  • [17:08:16] <panto> ERROR: Storage server temporarily offline. See http://status.github.com for GitHub system status.
  • [17:08:23] <fiola> Eeek
  • [17:08:37] <mru> fiola: you can track people by what they block too
  • [17:09:48] <fiola> mru: With limited success when you run NoScript, FlashBlock, AdBlock, and Ghostery. Sure, they can correlate IP addresses, but need some info against which to correlate them.
  • [17:09:59] <m_billybob> I *think* most of it is for advertizing, maybe all of it, and sometimes, its even useful to the end user, but meh . . . i dont trust corporations.
  • [17:10:45] <mdp> olimex keeps cranking out nice designs
  • [17:10:51] <fiola> The other benefit of running all those blockers is that the Web becomes usable again. Almost.
  • [17:10:59] <m_billybob> lol
  • [17:11:13] <mru> fiola: the fact that you're blocking all that carries some information
  • [17:11:17] <m_billybob> yeah that is why i stopped using googles DNS it was noticably slowing my connection down
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  • [17:11:45] <m_billybob> when you dont have a fat pipe every litle bit counts
  • [17:11:54] <mru> before you ask, of course I use blockers
  • [17:12:06] <lolizo> halo
  • [17:12:18] * mdp catches up and notes there will never be anything more official that spruh73c.pdf
  • [17:12:29] <mru> but mainly because they remove clutter and speed things up
  • [17:12:42] <kfoltman> blockers?
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  • [17:12:53] <panto> blotters
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  • [17:13:16] <fiola> kfoltman: NoScript, FlashBlock, AdBlock, and Ghostery
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  • [17:13:40] <fiola> kfoltman: Firefox add-ons
  • [17:13:41] <mru> ad blockers, beta blockers, any blockers
  • [17:13:45] <mdp> panto, for extra bigboard points, please refer all pru questions to the elinux pru page
  • [17:13:49] <kfoltman> fiola: thx, I didn't have context of the conversation :)
  • [17:14:23] <panto> mdp, I still expect you to take a look at the pru_rproc stuff
  • [17:14:57] <fiola> mdp: Jason's put that chapter from spruh73c into the PRU resources on Github now.
  • [17:15:04] <mdp> panto, I will, just got back from lunch appt..have meeting shortly
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  • [17:15:33] <mdp> fiola, and yet we already had it all neatly documented ;)
  • [17:15:33] <mdp> he's too late
  • [17:15:39] <mdp> thanks ka6sox
  • [17:16:17] <mdp> fiola, did he scrub the sekrit scratch regs, though?
  • [17:16:26] <fiola> mdp: Sure, *we* did, but BBB newcomers don't because the current version lacks it
  • [17:17:10] <fiola> It gives the Pi hordes less ammo to fling. They're rapidly running out :P
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  • [17:18:05] <mdp> fiola, it's all cited on the wiki page
  • [17:18:14] <mdp> for BBB newcomers
  • [17:18:38] <fiola> Sure, but it's now in official Beagleboard.org resources.
  • [17:19:40] <mdp> *finally*
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  • [17:50:34] <panto> time to head out
  • [17:50:42] <mranostay> panto: how dare you
  • [17:50:51] <panto> beer > mranostay
  • [17:50:53] <panto> cya
  • [17:51:01] <mranostay> panto: how dare you
  • [17:51:27] <mdp> you're on record already mumbling some insanity about "too much" beer
  • [17:51:39] <mdp> so we can't take you seriously now
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  • [17:59:52] <mranostay> people ever did?
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  • [18:01:42] <georgem> heh
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  • [18:13:53] <Guest22281> hi all, hdmi output does not work. i have tryed different cable (conrad and hama) lg display and benq. any hints?
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  • [18:24:24] <dm8tbr> Guest22281: on which hardware?
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  • [18:25:51] <Guest22281> beagleboard black, inital firmware
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  • [18:28:02] <clockman> anyone have the problem of the beaglebone (black) terminating a gnuscreen session after logging out of SSH? I'm running stock angstrom.
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  • [18:31:30] <Guest22281> bbb rev A5A
  • [18:35:04] <clockman> yup
  • [18:36:35] <clockman> more specifically, it looks like it terminates the screen session not when I log out of SSH, but when I log back IN to ssh
  • [18:38:12] <dm8tbr> Guest22281: does usb or ethernet work?
  • [18:39:25] <Guest22281> yes, all fine form firefox or shh
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  • [18:41:51] <Guest22281> witch resolution is supported 1920x1020?
  • [18:44:26] <dm8tbr> no
  • [18:44:33] <dm8tbr> it goes up to 720p
  • [18:45:20] <Rickta59> page 68 of the BBB service reference manual .. 1920x1080@24Hz
  • [18:45:33] <Rickta59> page 68 of the BBB service reference manual .. 1280x720@69Hz
  • [18:45:37] <Rickta59> page 68 of the BBB service reference manual .. 1280x720@60Hz
  • [18:45:44] <Rickta59> 69 was wrong
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  • [18:46:14] <dm8tbr> yeah, but not everything will support the 24fps mode I guess
  • [18:46:49] <Rickta59> you should find that doc Guest22281
  • [18:46:59] <Rickta59> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Hardware_Files
  • [18:47:15] <Rickta59> SRM pdf on that page
  • [18:48:50] <Guest22281> but my raspi works; it is not a cable problem.....
  • [18:49:27] <Rickta59> i don't see how that means anything Guest22281
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  • [18:51:05] <Guest22281> thanks ill RTFM, bye
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  • [19:20:19] <ka6sox> Rickta59, you here?
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  • [19:29:17] <old-papa-work> Anyone know if the Beaglebone Black supports LCD's above 10" with touch using android?
  • [19:29:37] <agmlego> I see no reason the physical dimensions of the screen matter at all.
  • [19:29:52] <old-papa-work> Direct interface ne ok then..
  • [19:29:59] <old-papa-work> LCD panel..
  • [19:30:16] <ka6sox> I don't know that Android is supported on the BBB.
  • [19:30:34] <old-papa-work> Ok, guess I need to check..
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  • [19:30:43] <agmlego> You want to directly drive a bare LCD?
  • [19:30:50] <agmlego> With no controller?
  • [19:30:54] <agmlego> Have fun with that.
  • [19:31:14] <old-papa-work> Yup, trying to keep the board count down..
  • [19:31:26] <old-papa-work> Thats what I was wondering..
  • [19:31:49] <old-papa-work> Trying to take the place of a Android Tablet..
  • [19:32:02] <old-papa-work> Basically the same function..
  • [19:32:07] <ka6sox> buy a $50 tablet...
  • [19:32:11] <SpeedEvil> the pi can do it with the DMA engine
  • [19:32:27] <SpeedEvil> not high res modern ones though
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  • [19:32:51] <old-papa-work> Using tablet now.. we need to get away from tablet so it can be water-proofed..
  • [19:33:14] <old-papa-work> I'm at the very early stage.. looking for development right now..
  • [19:33:16] <SpeedEvil> waterproofing a tablet is easy
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  • [19:33:47] <m_billybob> dont know about touch but know the bbb is capable of 1080p atleast acording to what ive read by Gerald on the groups
  • [19:33:55] <SpeedEvil> you put it in a box, potted against the front of the box with optical silicone, and an external buttons
  • [19:34:06] <m_billybob> seem to recall somethign about "no touch" but not positive
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  • [19:34:14] <old-papa-work> Being part of a system, current tablet is a Xoom.. damn thing got very upset when water touch the screen..
  • [19:34:53] <old-papa-work> Need to pass medical... 3 step process..
  • [19:34:55] <SpeedEvil> capacitive touch is annoying
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  • [19:35:36] <SpeedEvil> use a tablet with otg, plug a HID device in, use that as control
  • [19:36:39] <old-papa-work> Well, be nice, this is what they have.. they want to move away from a tablet due to of its availability..
  • [19:37:28] <old-papa-work> Being that it be in the medical area.. has to be ~ 10" for visability..
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  • [19:38:11] <SpeedEvil> I wouldn't use a beagle, but an industrial PC
  • [19:38:25] <SpeedEvil> unless power is a concern
  • [19:39:01] <old-papa-work> Yup, power is, needs to run ~ 8hrs off battery, will have a large enuf Li-Ion in the box..
  • [19:39:07] <SpeedEvil> ah
  • [19:39:40] <SpeedEvil> what sort of display?
  • [19:39:56] <SpeedEvil> does it need to be general graphics?
  • [19:40:25] <old-papa-work> It will have adjustments to control oxygen, mixture of gases of some type.. display of flow, then will pull history
  • [19:40:42] <old-papa-work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbb3azUstI
  • [19:41:01] <old-papa-work> I looked at this.. This tells me it can be done..
  • [19:41:27] <old-papa-work> I'm also looking ay pcDruino..
  • [19:41:45] <old-papa-work> Need to have I/O's both digital and analog..
  • [19:42:40] <old-papa-work> Either case, I be ordering a few to start playing (learning)
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  • [19:51:06] <ketas> i still don't get what are beaglebone black battery pins for?
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  • [19:51:52] <SpeedEvil> Old - ... Is this a life-critical device?
  • [19:52:22] <SpeedEvil> There is no way you're getting that approved stock android unless you verify every specific bit of software.
  • [19:52:52] <old-papa-work> Could be.. Not to sure, I can check
  • [19:53:04] <old-papa-work> Will need FDA, has one currently..
  • [19:53:20] <SpeedEvil> You need a device you can prove the software will not cause adverse events.
  • [19:53:54] <ketas> does that mean that this chip there can charge li-ion battery?
  • [19:54:23] <SpeedEvil> Doing that with linux and a complex software stack may be essentially impossible. Using an android device to control a smaller processor with auditable code is common
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  • [19:54:50] <SpeedEvil> Some people over on #edev have done medical electronics
  • [19:55:24] <old-papa-work> Ok, it is,,
  • [19:56:10] <old-papa-work> Oh, reason for android is software currently runs on it.. reason for why I want android.. not to make a new wheel
  • [19:56:33] <ketas> why exactly android
  • [19:56:35] <SpeedEvil> Well, if you can get it approved...
  • [19:56:54] <SpeedEvil> I, personally, would never ever ever ever ever ever want anything life critical running on android.
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  • [19:57:12] <ketas> but on windows?
  • [19:57:13] <old-papa-work> Yup, software works good, and it is approved in its current state.
  • [19:57:13] <ketas> :)
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  • [19:58:17] <old-papa-work> re-invent the wheel..
  • [19:59:00] <ketas> make it triangle-shaped
  • [19:59:11] <old-papa-work> hex..
  • [19:59:18] <ketas> hexwheel? :)
  • [19:59:21] <old-papa-work> or octal..
  • [19:59:29] <ketas> binary wheel
  • [19:59:38] <old-papa-work> 8 bit
  • [19:59:49] <old-papa-work> I need more I/O's
  • [19:59:50] <ketas> so TPS65217 can charge li-ion battery?
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  • [20:02:40] <PeteS> Does someone on here know a decent amount about OE and Angstrom?
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  • [20:03:31] <kfoltman> ketas: "It provides a linear battery charger for single-cell Li-ion and Li-Polymer batteries, (...)"
  • [20:03:34] <kfoltman> ketas: http://www.ti.com/product/tps65217b
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  • [20:04:38] <ketas> kfoltman: yea, i
  • [20:04:47] <ketas> i'm reading some pdf now
  • [20:05:05] <PeteS> Am I right in thinking even after building the Angstrom kernel I dont have the full source? Just the patches?
  • [20:05:20] <ketas> kfoltman: so provided that i connect it properly, bbb can have battery backup?
  • [20:05:44] <kfoltman> ketas: I have no idea, but I suppose the 4 pins (or, rather, holes) aren't there by accident
  • [20:06:28] <ka6sox> PeteS, you download the kernel sources as part of the build process.
  • [20:06:42] <PeteS> I cant find them.
  • [20:07:01] <ketas> kfoltman: must read more about that
  • [20:07:05] <PeteS> Say I want to find the w1-gpio source, its not there
  • [20:07:17] <ketas> kfoltman: i wonder if random phone battery will work? :)
  • [20:10:01] <ketas> that sounds like power manager for phone anyway
  • [20:10:04] <ketas> led driver...
  • [20:14:14] <kfoltman> I was kind of shocked when I learned that this 48 pin chip is a "power manager", wtf? then I've read the feature list....... o...kay
  • [20:15:09] <DJWillis> PeteS: If you have bitbaked the kernel you will have the source tree that was used (the main code blended with the patches) on your disk.
  • [20:16:07] <kfoltman> ketas: well, led driver = high current gpio I suppose, you don't want to connect the LEDs to the SoC directly :) and discrete transistors per LED, or a separate gpio/buffer would take up too much space on a PCB
  • [20:17:36] <kfoltman> PeteS: there is this script pack that does all the necessary downloading/patching, you run patch.sh and it downloads all the necessary ingredients and cooks a fully patched source tree
  • [20:17:47] <kfoltman> PeteS: git://github.com/beagleboard/kernel.git if my .git/config is correct
  • [20:18:07] <ketas> kfoltman: hah, you didn't know what what the TPS65217 is there for?
  • [20:19:31] <kfoltman> ketas: I didn't
  • [20:19:42] <Spirilis> that chip blew my mind a bit when I saw it too
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  • [20:21:02] <kfoltman> ketas: it's about as big as the lower-tier STM32 MCUs, so I've looked it up and... oops :)
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  • [20:24:45] <ka6sox> PeteS, have you done the patching proceedure? or just checked out the patches from github?
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  • [20:44:39] <OurMaNdO|W> anyone know which wifi adapter will work with ubuntu and beagle bone black
  • [20:44:52] <OurMaNdO|W> m_billybob, u have any luck with ubuntu and wifi
  • [20:45:54] <OurMaNdO|W> m_billybob, on the beagle bone black that is
  • [20:48:19] <georgem> Hrm. Looks like the phytec am335x module has a TPS65910
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  • [20:49:02] <PeteS> Ive done a bitbake build of cloud9-gnome-image but cant find the sources
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  • [20:49:44] <PeteS> Oh and sorry for the delayed reply, kids etc slow me down
  • [20:49:47] <ka6sox> PeteS, I'm not sure the kernel build is part of that recipe.
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  • [20:50:05] <ka6sox> PeteS, got kidlet here too...so understood.
  • [20:50:10] <PeteS> which recipie sorry?
  • [20:50:30] <ka6sox> cloud9-gnome-image
  • [20:50:54] <PeteS> It must be it produces the right image file
  • [20:51:14] <PeteS> its downloading to emmc now
  • [20:51:26] <ka6sox> so you have a 3.8.X kernel image?
  • [20:51:40] <PeteS> I think so yes
  • [20:51:50] <PeteS> took ages to build everything
  • [20:52:04] <ka6sox> okay because there are 3 bits that go into a full image
  • [20:52:19] <ka6sox> MLO, Boot stuff (kernel stuff) and rootfs.
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  • [20:52:32] <ka6sox> you can build an image that is only the rootfs.
  • [20:53:26] <PeteS> well the filename is the same as the one in the emmc flasher build you DL from the website to reflash the board
  • [20:53:42] <PeteS> and file size was roughly the same so it must be ok]
  • [20:54:14] <PeteS> I don't know where the source should be though, or how it's configured. I'm new to linux and angstrom
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  • [20:55:32] <ka6sox> I've never built that image...so I should look @ the recipies before I comment :)
  • [20:56:28] <PeteS> I bought the BBB to learn about embedded linux development. So far I'm thinking Angstrom isn't a good choice
  • [20:56:34] <PeteS> we use arago at work
  • [20:57:31] <ka6sox> why isn't angstrom a good choice?
  • [20:57:40] <ka6sox> (just curious)
  • [20:57:51] <PeteS> because it seems so difficult to work with so far
  • [20:58:10] <ka6sox> what aspect(s)?
  • [20:58:12] <PeteS> but if I can find all the source and how everything gets configured etc I might change my mind
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  • [20:58:54] <ka6sox> I follow the proceedure for building kernels from: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
  • [20:58:55] <PeteS> I guess it's just the learning curve, I'm used to C code and a simple RTOS
  • [20:58:56] <ka6sox> for the bone
  • [20:59:14] <ka6sox> a whole distro (like Angstrom) from scratch is daunting...
  • [20:59:40] <ka6sox> the OE and Yocto guys have made it a lot less painful over the years...but it is a steep learning curve.
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  • [21:00:17] <vvu> ka6sox: hello!
  • [21:00:19] <ka6sox> iirc patch.sh does the patching and downloading of the kernel sources.
  • [21:00:23] <PeteS> I feel a great sense of acheivement building it, now I need to understand how it all works so I can start work on doing something with it
  • [21:00:24] <ka6sox> hiya vvu
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  • [21:01:03] <ka6sox> PeteS, a lot of folks here use Angstrom and OE daily...so ask here or in the Forums/mailinglist/googlegroups.
  • [21:01:16] <vvu> how are things going ? i was missing lot of time
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  • [21:01:21] <PeteS> I'm hoping to connect some Dallas one wire temp sensors and write some apps to do something with them. But no idea which pin the w1 drivers are using to connect the devices
  • [21:01:32] <ka6sox> vvu, all finished with Finals? or still a bit more?
  • [21:01:37] <Rickta59> so you don't use bitbake for doing the kernel ka6sox ?
  • [21:01:47] <ka6sox> you can
  • [21:02:07] <vvu> 2morrow a crappy one and then 2 on programming which are ok
  • [21:02:07] <ka6sox> you can bitbake virtual/kernel.
  • [21:02:09] <Rickta59> i have and thought that was the only way
  • [21:02:11] <PeteS> I've already written a simple app to access a one wire device via netlink at work, so I want to do the same for temp sensors on the BBB
  • [21:02:14] <vvu> and after all this crap one where is only theory
  • [21:02:26] <ka6sox> Rickta59, ya, its the best way :0
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  • [21:02:45] <Rickta59> btw i got my ntfs stuff working
  • [21:02:51] <ka6sox> nice!
  • [21:02:58] <Rickta59> thanks for whatever help you offered me!
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  • [21:03:11] <samch> hello
  • [21:03:28] <PeteS> flashing the emmc takes ages lol
  • [21:03:31] <samch> what is the new changes in the last update of beaglebone black?
  • [21:03:41] <ka6sox> Rickta59, remember it was *you* who told me we should make it the pinmux "app" like the one for the launchpad/fraunchpad one...but interactive.
  • [21:03:53] <Rickta59> heh
  • [21:04:00] <Rickta59> how is your kid doing with that?
  • [21:04:23] <ka6sox> having fun...he has about 1/2 of it done...I'm having him work on the deconflicter too...
  • [21:04:24] <PeteS> So anyone got any clue where I find out what the one wire driver is configured for pin wise?
  • [21:04:27] <ka6sox> thats a bit tougher.
  • [21:04:39] <ka6sox> PeteS, its not
  • [21:04:55] <ka6sox> what you need to do is create a "virtual cape" with the pinmuxing set to what you need.
  • [21:06:04] <ka6sox> PeteS, this "app" I'm talking about helps with setting up the pinmuxing stuff.
  • [21:06:15] <ka6sox> pinmux.tking.org
  • [21:07:03] <ka6sox> PeteS, how do you feel about Assembly Code?
  • [21:07:04] <ka6sox> :)
  • [21:07:27] <PeteS> doesnt worry me if I need to yse it why?
  • [21:08:04] <PeteS> Have to use arm asm now and again at work, and we have to debug in asm via a lauterbach
  • [21:08:50] <ka6sox> there are 2 RealTime Processing units (a 32 bit ARM like core) that can be used for things like this...
  • [21:09:15] * vvu hides when hears about ASM code!
  • [21:09:31] <PeteS> the PRUSS you mean?
  • [21:09:37] * ka6sox assigns vvu to do his entire GSoC in Arm Assembly ;)
  • [21:09:41] <ka6sox> yes
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  • [21:10:31] <vvu> if it is ASM with multiplication and all that good stuff yes. if it`s the type of asm i`m doing now...
  • [21:10:42] <PeteS> well I think the current w1-gpio driver built into the kernel will do me for now
  • [21:11:10] <PeteS> although DOW PRUSS code is something id considered larer
  • [21:11:17] <PeteS> later even
  • [21:11:29] <ka6sox> then you just need to find a free GPIO pin and set the mux right
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  • [21:11:50] <PeteS> where do you sent the mux?
  • [21:12:05] <ka6sox> you load a dtbo fragment via capemanager.
  • [21:12:39] <PeteS> head hurts
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  • [21:12:59] <ka6sox> or, you can bake it in...
  • [21:13:13] <ka6sox> let me see if there is any W1 stuff in the existing kernel bits.
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  • [21:13:55] <PeteS> it's built in, in the config file it's there, I just don't know where the files are that set the mux and tell the drivers what gpio to use
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  • [21:15:24] <ka6sox> that is the DTS and DTBO we have been talking about
  • [21:15:39] <ka6sox> you will have to create a dtbo for this (its not very many lines)
  • [21:15:46] <ka6sox> and load that before starting the app.
  • [21:16:47] <Rickta59> looks like there is info you might find useful in google groups for w1 gpio
  • [21:17:05] <Rickta59> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/beagleboard/w1/beagleboard/99zYYVH_m5A/39HTEXl1Fd0J
  • [21:18:01] <ka6sox> ya, koen's answer is good.
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  • [21:18:34] <ka6sox> vvu, school examples are always generic yucky ones...
  • [21:18:42] <ka6sox> Real World is always more fun.
  • [21:19:55] <PeteS> hmm I'll have a read
  • [21:20:22] <ka6sox> PeteS, that will be in the patched sources
  • [21:20:51] <vvu> gonna have so much fun 2morrow when i`m gonna have the exam. at least we have some theory with search algorithms that i really nice
  • [21:22:53] <PeteS> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/using-1-wire-on-a-beaglebone
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  • [21:23:34] <ka6sox> PeteS, he knows this :0
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  • [21:24:02] <ka6sox> mdp: ping?
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  • [21:32:19] <ka6sox> hiya emeb_mac
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  • [21:32:47] <emeb_mac> ka6sox: hola, que paso?
  • [21:33:09] <ka6sox> I decided to take the afternoon off...so I'm chillin
  • [21:34:00] <ka6sox> I need to work on BoneTag some more and incorporate those changes we talked about...but I'm tired.
  • [21:35:14] <emeb_mac> ya - Fridays will do that to you.
  • [21:37:44] <ka6sox> I need to rework the oscillator and the driver chip(s) still...
  • [21:37:50] <Jaguar`> hey all, is it possible to flash the beaglebone black emmc via usb?
  • [21:38:19] <ka6sox> but did write the PISO/SIPO, Clock divider and combinatorial logic bits today...
  • [21:38:53] <ka6sox> need to write the UCF and constraints.
  • [21:40:16] <ka6sox> waiting a bit to see if we get the nod on the GSoC stuff before writing the interface code to the PRUs
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  • [21:44:17] <ka6sox> I wonder if: NET ?PISO_OUT? slew={FAST}; is enough.
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  • [21:48:06] <ka6sox> emeb_mac, learned something new today...
  • [21:48:19] <ka6sox> Period constraint only applies to FPGA...not CPLD.
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  • [21:59:31] <russell--> what is up with the crazy AIN laggy reading thing on BBB? where you cat /sys/devices/ocp.2/helper.18/AIN and get the last digitized value, rather than a current one?
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  • [22:00:03] <SpeedEvil> that is not unusual
  • [22:00:30] <SpeedEvil> you wouldn't generally want to block waiting for a long conversion
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  • [22:03:07] <russell--> unless you actually want the new value
  • [22:03:23] <russell--> and then you have to wait anyway
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  • [22:03:56] <requinham> hi
  • [22:04:20] <russell--> i wait almost a second for a one-wire value to come back, waiting for the value i want doesn't seem unreasonable
  • [22:04:22] <SpeedEvil> true.
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  • [22:04:55] <requinham> i use the latest angstrom image founded in site and i have prepare a can transeiver but i cannot create CAN interface
  • [22:04:58] <requinham> ?!
  • [22:05:09] <requinham> can anyone help me please
  • [22:05:23] <Silentjet> huh... is there any u-boot image that is good on BBB ?
  • [22:05:28] <requinham> i use beaglebone black
  • [22:05:55] <Silentjet> vanilla one do not have fastboot, TI's one does not boot...
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  • [22:09:50] <russell--> requinham: /me guesses you need a device tree overlay to pinmux/etc the right pins
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  • [22:21:26] <eikeon> What's the max input voltage for gpio 3.3 or 1.8?
  • [22:22:03] * eikeon checks SRM
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  • [22:26:34] <ka6sox> 3.3
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  • [22:30:01] <eikeon> ty. Was being paranoid and triple checking. Kept seeing warning about not exceeding 1.8 -- looks like that for the AD.
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  • [23:28:32] <Pete__> is anybody running Angstrom?
  • [23:32:08] <ka6sox> yes
  • [23:32:55] <Pete__> When you install the board does Ethernet over USB work?
  • [23:34:52] <ka6sox> I've not tried RNDIS on the Bone
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  • [23:41:33] <timm> hello, i have a question which might asked a thousand time: i updated to the latest beaglebone firmware with kernel 3.8. now i miss the /dev/kernel/debug/omap_mux. how can i get it back?
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  • [23:47:05] <ka6sox> timm, I think the answer is on teh forums/googlegroups/mailinglist
  • [23:48:39] <mranostay> ph0rums
  • [23:49:32] <ka6sox> mranostay, if I say one of the 3 someone always asks me if I mean one of the other 2 :P
  • [23:49:36] <ka6sox> its blurrign the ling
  • [23:49:38] <ka6sox> line
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  • [23:56:04] <jzhang273> which software do I use if I want to boot from SD card instead of eMMC
  • [23:56:13] <jzhang273> for the beaglebone black
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