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  • [00:01:30] <shapr> yay! BeagleBone Black is plugged in and powered up!
  • [00:02:53] * vvu|Mobile still waits for that shipping to arrive here :(
  • [00:03:15] <shapr> I ordered mine from AdaFruit this past Friday, and tadah!
  • [00:03:30] <chupacabra> mine shipped yesterday
  • [00:04:08] <vvu|Mobile> i ordered from Conrad, germany and i live in germany but they are kinda late i see
  • [00:04:13] <tsquar3d> They tell me that it will not get to me until next week.
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  • [00:04:21] <tsquar3d> I live in the UK... ordered from franell.
  • [00:04:24] <Turl> tsquar3d: looks ok
  • [00:05:02] <tsquar3d> Cool. Thanks.
  • [00:05:12] <vvu|Mobile> Conrad germany had "shipping from 30th of may"
  • [00:05:12] <tsquar3d> You are not mentoring, right?
  • [00:05:32] <Turl> tsquar3d: no, I'm participating as a student
  • [00:05:50] <shapr> I'm tempted to apply for the BeagleBone GSoC, but I have too much going on.
  • [00:06:02] <tsquar3d> vvu|Mobile, dont trust the stated times... contact customer service.
  • [00:06:15] <vvu|Mobile> yeah i mailed em 2day but it`s free day here
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  • [00:07:59] <shapr> So, the PCB was designed to fit into an altoids tin, yes?
  • [00:08:17] <shapr> Are there some standoffs I can purchase so it won't short while running inside the tin?
  • [00:08:17] <Russ> yes
  • [00:08:30] <Russ> I put masking tape on the bottom of my tin
  • [00:08:34] <shapr> oh, sensible
  • [00:08:37] <shapr> and so much cheaper!
  • [00:08:43] <shapr> russ++ for better sense than me
  • [00:08:46] <Russ> otherwise, you can get pretty much anything you want from amazon small parts
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  • [00:15:22] <shapr> Has anyone hooked up to the TPS65217 pins yet?
  • [00:17:44] <shapr> I'd like to keep a LiPo battery under my proto cape and be able to charge it from USB
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  • [00:30:42] <ds2> hmmmmm
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  • [00:58:12] <tsquar3d-sleep> Hey ds2
  • [00:58:34] <ds2> hey tsquar3d-sleep
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  • [00:58:57] <ds2> who woke you up? ;)
  • [00:59:02] <tsquar3d> ds2, so I think I have everything in order now...
  • [00:59:07] <tsquar3d> lol
  • [00:59:13] <tsquar3d> I was ABOUT to go to sleep.
  • [00:59:26] <tsquar3d> Then I saw you came on.
  • [01:00:06] <ds2> Oh so I woked you up ;)
  • [01:00:12] <tsquar3d> So, all I need to complete my application is for a second mentor to provide 1-3 paragraphs on how my project could help the community.
  • [01:00:13] <ds2> tsquar3d: found a mentor?
  • [01:00:20] <tsquar3d> Okay... technically.
  • [01:00:21] <tsquar3d> lol
  • [01:00:39] <tsquar3d> I think that mdp is going to mentor me...
  • [01:00:44] <ds2> ooohh
  • [01:01:08] <ds2> got a quick 2 sentance description of the project?
  • [01:01:12] <tsquar3d> Although it never hurts to have more than one.
  • [01:01:18] <tsquar3d> Sure.
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  • [01:01:36] <tsquar3d> The beaglebone's hardware -- especially the availability of ADC pin headers -- makes it a very good candidate for use as an all-in-one portable data collection and analysis device. Paired sigrok and the IIO framework, we will develop an inexpensive portable module that may be very beneficial to researchers and educators.
  • [01:02:14] <ds2> I like that
  • [01:02:26] <ds2> I could probally use that for my power measurement stuff
  • [01:02:35] <tsquar3d> :-)
  • [01:02:43] <tsquar3d> Would you be interested in co-mentoring?
  • [01:02:57] <tsquar3d> Or providing a statement so I can complete my application?
  • [01:03:13] <ds2> maybe
  • [01:03:28] <ds2> let see how the mentors distribute out
  • [01:04:10] <tsquar3d> Okay. Could you see how it might be able to benefit the community?
  • [01:04:25] <ds2> the most immediate use I can see is it provides an opensource data collection platform which is different from open source data analysis
  • [01:04:33] <tsquar3d> I should include "hobbyists" in there.
  • [01:04:59] <ds2> there are many projects that provide O-scope or Logic Analzyer functionality but none (that I know of) that will do long term data collection.
  • [01:05:15] <ds2> In essence, I see this as a Oscope with a very very very long period
  • [01:05:30] <ds2> you can grow on that
  • [01:05:56] <tsquar3d> ds2, ha... I was just looking at it as a daq with a screen.
  • [01:05:57] <tsquar3d> lol
  • [01:06:12] <ds2> that also describes a scope
  • [01:06:30] <ds2> but if you have slower changing data or you need information over a longer period that falls apart
  • [01:06:32] <tsquar3d> Right... but this beast will actually record the data.
  • [01:06:51] <ds2> unless you get the more expensive data recorders (be it a paper chart recorder or one of those NI boxes)
  • [01:07:12] <ds2> you can record stuff on an oscope too but it is for a very short duration
  • [01:07:29] <tsquar3d> Yeah, I am familliar...
  • [01:07:40] <ds2> if I understand it correctly, it is a complement to a scope
  • [01:07:55] <tsquar3d> We had some really expensive oscopes in undergrad.
  • [01:08:08] <ds2> I been personally looking at hacking scopes to do the long term data monitor stuff
  • [01:08:16] <ds2> need that for some power management data
  • [01:08:25] <ds2> or even battery characterization
  • [01:09:08] <tsquar3d> Well, first and foremost it is meant to be a data collection unit... and the viz will be exceptionally useful for those in the field that would usually have to take data blind and then analyse it later.
  • [01:09:24] <tsquar3d> I mean... not even analyze, but simply look at it.
  • [01:09:33] <ds2> sigrok does some of the visualization
  • [01:09:48] <tsquar3d> ds2, very modest stuff, though.
  • [01:09:58] <tsquar3d> However, to start out with... that is really all we need.
  • [01:10:00] <ds2> tsquar3d: I am easily satisfied :D
  • [01:10:21] <tsquar3d> ds2, lol... that is why you would be an ideal mentor.
  • [01:10:25] <tsquar3d> :-p
  • [01:10:28] <ds2> :P
  • [01:10:42] <ds2> but I am happy to quickly fail people ;) hehehe
  • [01:10:52] <tsquar3d> I also got the hello world thing up.
  • [01:11:04] <tsquar3d> The only part I need to finish is another statement from a community member.
  • [01:11:42] <ds2> not sure who else to direct you to....talked to ka6sox?
  • [01:12:29] <tsquar3d> I havent ever asked ka6sox directly.
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  • [01:15:34] <tsquar3d> mdp seemed enthusiastic about it and gave me my one statement of support. I am pretty sure he intends on being my mentor.
  • [01:16:48] <tsquar3d> I have had plenty of people look at my proposal and give the thumbs up... but no dice on someone willing to write a paragraph or two on how it would help the community.
  • [01:17:10] <tsquar3d> I do still have two days... so I dont think I should be too worried.
  • [01:18:18] <tsquar3d> 1 day and 16 hours.
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  • [01:18:57] <ds2> you could turn what I said into a paragraph
  • [01:19:01] <ds2> add another person
  • [01:23:53] <tsquar3d> The most immediate use I can see is it provides an opensource data collection platform which is different from open source data analysis. There are many projects that provide O-scope or Logic Analzyer functionality but none (that I know of) that will do long term data collection.
  • [01:24:52] <tsquar3d> Any comment addressing exactly how it will impact the beagleboard.org community directly?
  • [01:25:12] <ds2> Measuring power consumption of a beagle board classic :D
  • [01:25:40] <tsquar3d> ou have slower changing data or you need information over a longer period that falls apart
  • [01:25:45] <tsquar3d> Woops
  • [01:25:57] <tsquar3d> If your project is successfully completed, what will its impact be on the BeagleBoard.org community? Consider who will use it and how it will save them effort.
  • [01:26:04] <tsquar3d> That is the exact question.
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  • [01:26:59] <ds2> btw, where in the world do you plan to be doing this?
  • [01:27:26] <tsquar3d> Err.. England?
  • [01:27:30] <tsquar3d> lol
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  • [01:28:09] <tsquar3d> Is that what you are asking?
  • [01:28:21] <ds2> yes
  • [01:28:28] <ds2> thought you were moving to CA?
  • [01:28:38] <tsquar3d> At the end of the summer.
  • [01:28:46] <ds2> Ohhh end
  • [01:29:07] <tsquar3d> Yeah.
  • [01:29:11] <ds2> I seem recall you had connections to UT, CA, and UK
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  • [01:29:33] <ds2> a move in the middle of GSoC might be disruptive
  • [01:29:54] <tsquar3d> I was born and raised in US, I live in the UK and am moving to CA in the fall.
  • [01:30:09] <ds2> *nod*
  • [01:30:11] <tsquar3d> Yeah.. it will not be until the fall, so the GSoC will be over by then.
  • [01:30:50] <tsquar3d> I fully intend on carrying this project on after the GSoC, though.
  • [01:30:58] <tsquar3d> I would like to work it into my PhD.
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  • [01:31:31] <ds2> what are you going to be doing for your PhD?
  • [01:31:55] <ds2> in otherwords, how much higher and deeper are you piling it? ;)
  • [01:31:55] <tsquar3d> Data analysis and visualization.
  • [01:32:22] <ds2> ah relevant stuff
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  • [01:32:31] <tsquar3d> Yep yep.
  • [01:32:40] <tsquar3d> It could very well be a tool that I use in my PhD work.
  • [01:33:05] <ds2> or you could be establishing a paper trail for a fake thesis ;) heheh
  • [01:33:06] <ds2> j/k
  • [01:33:19] <tsquar3d> Shhh... now they know.
  • [01:34:02] <tsquar3d> Great... I need to change my identity again.
  • [01:34:08] <ds2> :D
  • [01:34:53] <tsquar3d> Okay. So, I think that what I have from you will work.. do you maybe have a sentence on how it could benefit the BB community?
  • [01:35:09] <ds2> see above
  • [01:35:32] <tsquar3d> Measureing the power consumption of BB classic?
  • [01:35:40] <ds2> sure
  • [01:35:54] <tsquar3d> I thought you were saying that in jest.
  • [01:35:55] <tsquar3d> lol
  • [01:36:08] <ds2> no, there is a desired to do that to some decent resolution
  • [01:36:14] <ds2> existing solutions are pretty crude
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  • [01:36:47] <ds2> but no guarantees I will stand by it as a good use of it ;)
  • [01:37:58] <tsquar3d> So, you would say -- this tool could be of benefit to the community as a tool to improve and troubleshoot other beagleboard devices?
  • [01:38:09] <tsquar3d> future and past?
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  • [01:39:19] <ds2> or even other boards
  • [01:39:26] <ds2> but that might be specific to me...
  • [01:40:53] <tsquar3d> Okay here is what I have
  • [01:40:56] <tsquar3d> The most immediate use I can see is it provides an opensource data collection platform which is different from open source data analysis. There are many projects that provide O-scope or Logic Analzyer functionality but none (that I know of) that will do long term data collection.
  • [01:40:56] <tsquar3d> This tool could be of immediate benefit to the community to improve and troubleshoot other beagleboard devices and community projects.
  • [01:44:14] <tsquar3d> Are you cool with that?
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  • [01:45:50] <ds2> i guess
  • [01:46:19] <tsquar3d> ds2 is there something I should change?
  • [01:46:33] <ds2> not off hand
  • [01:46:38] <ds2> run it by someone else to be sure
  • [01:47:56] <tsquar3d> Okay... I will try to get feedback tomorrow on my application. I need to get to bed, though... have to teach in the morning. :-p
  • [01:48:13] <ds2> have fun with the students
  • [01:48:49] <tsquar3d> The students are great--- it is the colleagues that are a pain.
  • [01:48:53] <tsquar3d> Gnight all!
  • [01:49:04] * tsquar3d is now known as tsquar3d-asleep
  • [01:49:13] <tsquar3d-asleep> And thanks again, ds2
  • [01:49:50] <vvu|Mobile> ds2: can we talk a bit about the error handling for the android boot based stuff? i did a bit of research and only for the rootfs i can do some checking with fsck but for the kernel i have no idea
  • [01:50:18] <vvu|Mobile> before i run kexec() i can do a checksum for the kernel image to check its integrity but more than that...
  • [01:51:36] <ds2> ok
  • [01:51:52] <vvu|Mobile> more than that i do not see what error handling i can do
  • [01:52:04] <vvu|Mobile> after i run kexec() the adk connection is lost
  • [01:52:16] <ds2> okay, let me ask you this
  • [01:52:26] <ds2> after htat happens, and you power cycle the bone, what happens?
  • [01:52:49] <vvu|Mobile> after the final kernel is loaded ?
  • [01:52:58] <ds2> yes
  • [01:53:45] <vvu|Mobile> in case of success the fs should have e daemon that will start again adk connection and handle the framebuffer data and pass it to the android device
  • [01:54:00] <ds2> no no
  • [01:54:23] <ds2> let say you used your project to download a bad rootfs. it obviously hangs.
  • [01:54:33] <ds2> after that if you power cycle it, what happens?
  • [01:56:19] <vvu|Mobile> i think the best way is to have a label in the android app to show in which state the board is : show in the label if the board is with the kernel+fs from the board or kernel+fs from the Android device
  • [01:56:33] <vvu|Mobile> like the user should see if booting was successful or not
  • [01:56:36] <ds2> answer my question first
  • [01:56:46] <ds2> does the board hang? or does it go back to download mode or ?
  • [01:57:15] <vvu|Mobile> if it hangs the user needs to restart the board and it will load the kernel+fs from MMC and will stay into dwld mode yes
  • [01:57:39] <vvu|Mobile> but does not start automatically to download stuff
  • [01:57:39] <ds2> ah okay
  • [01:57:48] <ds2> gotcha
  • [01:57:49] <vvu|Mobile> so it is not a fail loop
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  • [01:58:05] <ds2> wasn't sure if you attempt to cache the rootfs or not
  • [01:58:33] <ds2> in that case, yeah.. displaying the status might suffice or require the use of the watchdog (I think the watchdog works, you need to verify it)
  • [01:59:28] <vvu|Mobile> yes but still if kernel panics you cannot save something on the sdcard and the device should check that specific file for an output or something
  • [01:59:45] <vvu|Mobile> the thingie with the status i would see to be most intuitive
  • [02:00:22] <ds2> it does save stuff on the sdcard?
  • [02:00:36] <ds2> so a good kernel + FS download would result in a unbootable system?
  • [02:00:44] <vvu|Mobile> no no
  • [02:00:57] <vvu|Mobile> i was saying when i run kexec() that output cannot be saved somewhere
  • [02:01:01] <vvu|Mobile> to be later checked
  • [02:01:09] <ds2> ok
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  • [02:04:36] <vvu|Mobile> but it`s awkward, not really ok different boot times
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  • [02:23:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> for jtag, does data ever come out on tdo during tms bit-strings?
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  • [02:30:41] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941508_10151582178722661_770268476_n.jpg
  • [02:30:47] <mrpackethead> tunnel-led-cape
  • [02:30:48] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [02:36:29] <eikeon> Does anyone have this USB to TTL Serial Cable working from OS X. http://www.adafruit.com/products/954 -- trying to debug an image for my BBB.
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  • [02:37:40] <ka6sox> eikeon, what version of OSX?
  • [02:37:51] <eikeon> 10.8.3
  • [02:37:51] <mranostay> ka6sox: yes if the schmatic is to be believed
  • [02:38:19] <ka6sox> mranostay, I see what is is now..its MODE5 and MODE 6 pins.
  • [02:38:31] <mranostay> yeah
  • [02:38:37] * ds2 tags ka6sox, you're it!
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  • [02:38:47] <mranostay> well mux settings
  • [02:38:48] <ka6sox> ds2, nope...NOT it!
  • [02:39:09] <ka6sox> ollie ollie oxen Freeeeeeee
  • [02:39:51] <ka6sox> right pinmux HELL.
  • [02:40:02] <prpplague> ka6sox: you know.. when i do that at a bar, for some reason, i the ladies go the other direction from me
  • [02:40:04] <ds2> pinmux is not hell.. it is easy
  • [02:40:20] <prpplague> i/find
  • [02:40:22] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> did i hear that usb->serial is built into the bbb?
  • [02:40:30] <prpplague> PRU_EVTOUT_2: no
  • [02:40:38] <prpplague> PRU_EVTOUT_2: it has been removed from bbb
  • [02:41:15] <ka6sox> prpplague, right...this room is *safe* for such comments as there are few women here and I am married anyways.
  • [02:41:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> prpplague: i'm not sure what i was talking about. are you talking about the serial debug console?
  • [02:41:34] <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, yes
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  • [02:42:23] <ka6sox> ds2, it is when you have bits 0-5, 7, 14-16 in mode6 and 16 (input only) in MODE5
  • [02:42:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hrmm, so how do we view boot errors?
  • [02:42:42] <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, usb SERIAL cable
  • [02:42:47] <prpplague> PRU_EVTOUT_2: by connecting a serial cable
  • [02:42:58] <eikeon> But only if you can get the cable to work ;)
  • [02:42:58] <ka6sox> copy cat
  • [02:43:01] <prpplague> PRU_EVTOUT_2: such as the one eikeon linked
  • [02:43:07] <prpplague> PRU_EVTOUT_2: http://tinyurl.com/c7ozlhc
  • [02:43:12] <prpplague> oops wrong url
  • [02:43:19] * ka6sox looks
  • [02:43:26] <prpplague> PRU_EVTOUT_2: http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
  • [02:43:33] <prpplague> ka6sox: no pr0n
  • [02:43:33] <ds2> ka6sox: I have yet to find a TI Pinmux that is consider hellish. other SoC's, yes.
  • [02:43:39] <ka6sox> b00ring...
  • [02:43:54] <eikeon> Can you connect via serial while powering via usb? Or do I need to be powering via barrel connector?
  • [02:43:59] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ahh, thanks prpplague.
  • [02:44:06] <prpplague> eikeon: yes
  • [02:44:18] <prpplague> PRU_EVTOUT_2: sparkfun.com sells them as well as digikey and mouse
  • [02:44:21] <prpplague> mouser
  • [02:44:29] * prpplague grumbles at being tired
  • [02:44:34] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i've got a bunch already. :)
  • [02:44:56] <ka6sox> mranostay, can I set GPIO3_18 to output mode and connect up to the output pin?
  • [02:45:14] <ka6sox> output 4 mode_5, GPIO3_18
  • [02:45:33] <ka6sox> your note is not specific enough
  • [02:46:23] <ka6sox> and what is GPIO0_7 normally used for?
  • [02:46:36] <mranostay> ka6sox: look at the schematic!
  • [02:46:42] <mranostay> LCD cape backlight iirc
  • [02:46:47] <mranostay> prpplague: ?
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  • [02:48:29] <ka6sox> I did
  • [02:48:45] <ka6sox> pinmux HELL
  • [02:49:04] <ds2> GPIO inputs and outputs are seperate from the pinmux
  • [02:49:31] <m_billybob> So, like im noticing the bonexcipt examples on the onboard webserver pages dotn seem to work with firefox . ..
  • [02:49:31] <ds2> pinmux has to be setup to route the signal but the GPIO has its own settings
  • [02:49:36] <m_billybob> works fine with chrome though
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  • [02:51:08] <remmy_> Considering BBB for some CANbus dev. Has anyone tried bonescript with CAN? how painful was it?
  • [02:54:29] <ka6sox> mranostay, okay I get it now
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  • [02:55:08] <ka6sox> I jsut need to find the flea and that problem goes away...
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  • [02:58:48] <ka6sox> lets see...I want to say bad things about the sister of the guy who gave us bits 0-5, 7, 14,15
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  • [02:59:07] <prpplague> mranostay: who summons the plague?
  • [03:00:34] <ka6sox> I did not
  • [03:00:50] * mranostay finds Lysol
  • [03:00:56] * mranostay sprays prpplague
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  • [03:01:56] <ka6sox> mranostay, did you use PRU0 for anything parallel IO ish before.
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  • [03:02:38] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ka6sox: what's the problem. that's what shifting is for....:P
  • [03:02:59] <mranostay> ka6sox: IO no
  • [03:03:14] <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, but it takes cycles to do this...
  • [03:03:47] <ka6sox> S L O W S E V E R Y T H I N G D O W N ....
  • [03:03:55] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ka6sox: do it on the arm...?
  • [03:04:13] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> no! do it on the second pru! the other pru can be a pru coprocessor.
  • [03:04:35] <ka6sox> for this app BOTH PRUs are going to be FLAT OUT.
  • [03:04:50] <ka6sox> except now I just took a HUGE hit
  • [03:05:29] <ka6sox> its not GPIO its GPI and GPO
  • [03:05:34] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> could always access system memory and pull from standard gpio. might be worth the few extra cycles to pull from system memory.
  • [03:06:12] <ka6sox> crap...this is getting UGLY
  • [03:06:19] <ka6sox> 1-5, 7, 14,15
  • [03:06:22] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> if you can't reorder in like 3 cycles, would be worth it.
  • [03:06:24] <ka6sox> REALLY????
  • [03:06:45] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err, no, 5?
  • [03:06:45] <ka6sox> nothing contiguous on byte boundries?
  • [03:06:59] <ka6sox> 0-5, 7, 14, 15
  • [03:07:02] <ka6sox> thats what is there.
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  • [03:08:35] <ka6sox> either that or I write the Fugliest dtbo in the planet to switch pinmuxing EVERY STINKING MEMORY CYCLE.
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  • [03:15:11] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i got 5 cycles for reordering all those to contiguous. :-|
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  • [03:15:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> 8 or 9 bits
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  • [03:16:48] <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, I got something UGLY that does it in 3
  • [03:17:06] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i suck.
  • [03:17:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> how do you make asm ugly?
  • [03:17:27] <ka6sox> I said UGLY
  • [03:18:05] <ka6sox> you copy into scratchpad and then transfer and AND
  • [03:18:24] <ka6sox> from PRU1 to PRU0
  • [03:19:00] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> :o
  • [03:20:43] <ka6sox> except it takes 2 shifts...so back to 5
  • [03:20:45] <ka6sox> I suck
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  • [03:22:59] <ka6sox> 5 cycles means 40Mb/sec + whatever it takes to start eDMA
  • [03:23:30] <ka6sox> s/Mb/Mhz
  • [03:23:39] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> could you buffer it up for the arm to process later?
  • [03:23:40] <ka6sox> bleh...
  • [03:24:03] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> even if it had to write it back to pru memory?
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  • [03:24:37] <ka6sox> there is a 4:1 advantage if the pru can do byte assembly quick.
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  • [03:27:30] <ka6sox> (I/O is 8bit and L3F is 32bits
  • [03:27:32] <ka6sox> )
  • [03:28:50] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> 4:1 for memory, but who cares about that.
  • [03:29:05] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> (or maybe you do)
  • [03:30:10] <ka6sox> the PRU(s) have to shove bits out as fast as they can...to an 8-bit FIFO/Shift Register arraingement and back in from a shift register/fifo receive
  • [03:31:37] <ka6sox> for JTAG/DEBUG
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  • [03:34:25] <m_billybob> Yeah, ok wow, since the gettign started pages served up by the beaglebone black seemed to be either non existant, or broken. Can anyone point me in the general direction of somethign that actually works ?
  • [03:35:11] <ka6sox> m_billybob, you said earlier that chrome works...so that sounds like a browsers issue not a bone issue.
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  • [03:35:46] <m_billybob> I think its a software issue on the bone
  • [03:35:53] <m_billybob> already known broken
  • [03:36:26] <m_billybob> nothing works date/time gives I/O errors etc
  • [03:36:38] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but chrome works?
  • [03:36:44] <m_billybob> well take rthat back the sh daemon/sewrver seems to work
  • [03:36:49] <m_billybob> well it works and doesnt
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  • [03:38:04] <m_billybob> Error: EIO, read <-- thats what i get when tryign to visit the "updates" link from the beaglebone getting started page
  • [03:38:21] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> dmesg?
  • [03:38:29] <wulfman> hello all u bone fans
  • [03:38:49] <wulfman> cant ssh into my BBB anybody having the same issue?
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  • [03:39:34] <m_billybob> systemd-journald[85]: Failed to write entry, ignoring: Read-only file system <-- thats all im seeing PRU_EVTOUT_2
  • [03:39:44] <m_billybob> wulf i think you may have to wait until the SD cards get here
  • [03:39:50] <m_billybob> was jus treading on that
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  • [03:40:12] <wulfman> can you get into the .4 bone?
  • [03:40:23] <m_billybob> no
  • [03:40:33] <wulfman> so its not a computer thing
  • [03:40:47] <m_billybob> well actuall the page loads
  • [03:40:54] <m_billybob> let me see if i can ssh in
  • [03:41:00] <wulfman> of course the web page loads
  • [03:41:04] <wulfman> but no ssh
  • [03:41:54] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: is /tmp writable I wonder?
  • [03:42:13] <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, not sure not exactly familiar with angstrom
  • [03:42:19] <m_billybob> kinda familiar with debian but meh
  • [03:42:43] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> echo "hello" > /tmp/testing
  • [03:43:49] <m_billybob> hmm lol nano doesnt seem to exist or is jus thanging
  • [03:44:00] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> just echo into a file.
  • [03:44:13] <m_billybob> yeah no feedback
  • [03:44:21] <m_billybob> e.g. no error
  • [03:44:21] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> then it is writable.
  • [03:44:36] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i don't even know if it puts files into there.
  • [03:45:01] <m_billybob> well tabcomplete workign so somethign is there
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  • [03:45:54] <m_billybob> no more no nano hmm
  • [03:47:38] <m_billybob> we may both be stuck until the sd cards get here wulf
  • [03:48:00] <m_billybob> Spirilis was saying the kernel the BBB ships with is partly or mostly broken
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  • [04:02:36] <ka6sox> mranostay, pingu?
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  • [04:02:58] <mranostay> ka6sox: what is up?
  • [04:03:16] <mrpackethead> Sky is up
  • [04:03:31] <mrpackethead> the 6m band is back up
  • [04:03:43] <mrpackethead> becuase they just turned of the old analog tv
  • [04:03:53] * mranostay is drinking open bottles the movers won't touch
  • [04:04:09] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, got some good TE going?
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  • [04:04:52] <mrpackethead> you know the song. "Video killed the radio-star"
  • [04:04:57] <mrpackethead> theres another version
  • [04:04:58] <ds2> thought 10M was the limit?
  • [04:05:18] <mrpackethead> "internet called the Ham-radio-star"
  • [04:05:27] <mrpackethead> s/called/killed
  • [04:06:00] <mranostay> mrpackethead: how is in kiwi world?
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  • [04:06:20] <mrpackethead> been having fun, looking after the children of america's fun park rides
  • [04:06:22] <mrpackethead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XecCNlUWuV4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
  • [04:07:17] <mranostay> prpplague: github is up again
  • [04:07:45] <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 heh, yanked the USB cable, restarted ( since shutdown now -r would not work ) and seems rto be functioning again. I left it running over night, but dont see how that could have been a problem ?
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  • [04:17:52] <mranostay> oh god
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  • [04:24:50] <mrpackethead> mranostay: i am not god, but i do know him, and i can relay a message if you want
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  • [04:28:08] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: not enough attention, obviously.
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  • [04:31:08] <BeagleRookie> I cannot write b.LOW to a Pin P8_13. I have tried cloud IDE and inside the browser. It is remaining High.
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  • [04:32:05] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> does cloud 9 do muxing for you?
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  • [04:32:51] <BeagleRookie> I don't know what is muxing..sorry..
  • [04:33:12] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> each pin can be connected to several signals inside the chip
  • [04:33:41] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> something has to set it to gpio for what you're doing to work.
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  • [04:33:55] <m_billybob> wow they went the route of arduino with pin assignments eh ?
  • [04:33:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i haven't played with cloud9, so i don't know if automatically sets it to gpio, but i doubt it.
  • [04:34:26] <BeagleRookie> var b = require('bonescript'); b.pinMode('P8_13', b.OUTPUT); b.digitalWrite('P8_13', b.LOW);
  • [04:35:27] <BeagleRookie> So after I turned it high it is remaining in the high mode. not returning to low.
  • [04:35:38] <m_billybob> kernel 3.8.6 pin muxing is supposed to be busted, and 3.8.8 is supposed to be in "flux" <---- this is what I have read.
  • [04:35:40] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/01/05/beaglebone-coding-101-blinking-an-led/
  • [04:35:51] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i thought it worked for node.js?
  • [04:36:03] <m_billybob> dunno havent gotten thatfar yet
  • [04:36:40] <m_billybob> this is what ive read from a friend on anothe forums whose done lots of reading on it thus. perhaps hes wrong ?
  • [04:36:42] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> BeagleRookie: that link is for you. if you do it like they do, you would use bone.P8_13, not a string of "P8_13".
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  • [04:37:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: no, probably right. the guy i was talking to was working on the kernel, so who knows what version he was referring to.
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  • [04:38:00] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> most likely the latest.
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  • [04:38:19] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> BeagleBot: you get that link I sent?
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  • [04:38:34] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> BeagleRookie: you get that link before you closed the page? ;)
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  • [04:40:19] <BeagleRookie> yes I got the link. I don't know why my textbox on IRC disappears.. I have to refresh and login again
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  • [04:53:59] <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, idk fro the gist of what I read, it seems perhaps 3.8.6 was meant for the original BB ? dont rightly know, this is my first foray into using Sitara / beagle stuff
  • [04:54:07] * ka6sox patiently waits for Panto to show up (if he does today)
  • [04:54:39] <m_billybob> mostly up until now, ive mainly been coding for the msp430
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  • [05:07:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so, memcpy will be smart about unaligned writes, correct?
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  • [05:08:36] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like, it'll only do funkyness on the first and last bytes?
  • [05:08:46] <shapr> The built-in intro and Cloud9 IDE is AWESOME!
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  • [05:10:06] <shapr> here's my first evening's impression of the BeagleBone Black: https://plus.google.com/111055028010401074243/posts/LDLHVj12cq3
  • [05:10:26] <shapr> I have another G+ post showing off the first impression of the Cloud9 IDE https://plus.google.com/111055028010401074243/posts/XFNnUSJWwoD
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  • [05:11:04] <m_billybob> anyone know of a good hmm dont know what to cal it. opkg net upgrade tutorial or some such ?
  • [05:11:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nice shapr!
  • [05:11:30] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i learned today that the board is designed to fit in an altoids container! :o
  • [05:11:31] <m_billybob> No SD card to use yet, and id like to upgrade to the latest kernel
  • [05:11:43] <timbit123> hello, i need help to make a adxl345 working. It's working but I want to install it as a device (BBB)
  • [05:13:04] <skaflux> Does Cloud9/Bonescript support I2C peripherals?
  • [05:13:32] <timbit123> didn't saw any code that could help
  • [05:14:20] <m_billybob> shapr, id venture to say *easier* than using wiring.
  • [05:14:44] <m_billybob> no need to setup a dev envoirnment ;)
  • [05:15:21] <timbit123> if i do i2cdump 1 0x53
  • [05:15:23] <timbit123> it work
  • [05:15:32] <timbit123> but now to code this... no idea
  • [05:15:50] <m_billybob> grab the bbb docs and start reading.
  • [05:15:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> timbit123: looks like there's a driver for it.
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  • [05:16:12] <timbit123> yes, but how i can use this driver with nodejs?
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  • [05:18:11] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> timbit123: looks like it's all handled in sysfs
  • [05:18:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so, that would mean file operations
  • [05:18:41] <timbit123> so i need to work with /dev/i2c-1 ?
  • [05:19:11] <skaflux> but I2C needs the IOCTL function and I don't know if it's supported using bonescript.
  • [05:19:41] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> timbit123: no, that's the sysfs for i2c, if you really did install the driver
  • [05:19:43] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> this one: http://wiki.analog.com/resources/tools-software/linux-drivers/input-misc/adxl345
  • [05:20:10] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> then you can access the position and stuff at something like /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0053
  • [05:20:26] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> like shown in the example at the bottom of that link.
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  • [05:21:52] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> skaflux: do you know or c++?
  • [05:22:13] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> sorry, c or c++? heck, even python with ctypes could do ioctl.
  • [05:22:35] <m_billybob> I do somewhat PRU, but not sure about memory alignment wit hthe sitara
  • [05:22:36] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you could write a command, and call the command from node.js
  • [05:23:22] <timbit123> i know that c and c++ is compatible with node
  • [05:23:36] <timbit123> but I'm bad with C
  • [05:23:47] <m_billybob> attempting to on the fly learn net install / upgrade
  • [05:24:01] <timbit123> i tried dmesg | grep ADXL from the raspberry exemple but doesn't show up
  • [05:24:05] <m_billybob> hope it get it right lol
  • [05:24:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> timbit123: that wasn't for you. you just need to get that driver installed.
  • [05:24:17] <skaflux> PRU, i've done it in C but I was wondering how to use bonescript for i2c.
  • [05:25:49] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> skaflux: looks like they haven't added i2c yet, but i'm saying you could write a small command that did the ioctl using some command line arguments
  • [05:26:19] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there's probably something like that out there already. you could call the command from node.js to do the reads and writes.
  • [05:26:43] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wait a sec, i probably have something basic.
  • [05:27:16] <m_billybob> wondering what kind of interface is used for bonescript
  • [05:27:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> here, i2c interface for the beaglebone:
  • [05:27:36] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> now just write something that takes command line arguments
  • [05:28:10] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> c file: http://pastebin.com/8LeihyUt
  • [05:28:29] <skaflux> PRU, I see. i work with PIC microcontrollers, all in C. The BBB is my first jump to embedded linux so my first goal is to port my projects over.
  • [05:28:57] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://pastebin.com/LyteEXk2
  • [05:28:59] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> header file.
  • [05:29:13] <skaflux> thanks
  • [05:29:24] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> write a c file that takes command line arguments and passes them to those functions
  • [05:29:34] <skaflux> cool
  • [05:29:49] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> all you need to do is call i2c_initialize() before trying to call hte other functions
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  • [05:30:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and i2c_cleanup() to close all the files and stuff.
  • [05:30:24] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you can delete i2c_wtf...that's a debug thing i was working on.
  • [05:30:29] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and this is tested, i was using it a few days ago.
  • [05:30:45] <m_billybob> eeek threads
  • [05:31:06] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> threads? not in this.
  • [05:31:13] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err...the i2c.
  • [05:31:23] <m_billybob> pthread_mutex_t lock;
  • [05:31:48] <m_billybob> do keep in mind im used to a device that has no OS lol
  • [05:31:59] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> that can be removed.
  • [05:32:29] <m_billybob> goign to bookmark that though, looks interresting if for nothign else and intro into i2c on the bbb
  • [05:33:25] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the thread lock is in there cause i'll be using it with a multithreaded program.
  • [05:33:30] <m_billybob> come to think of it ive not used i2c on anythign yet, been avoidning it :/
  • [05:33:56] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it's just some voltages wiggling.
  • [05:34:13] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> to learn i2c, you should bitbang it, see how easy it is.
  • [05:34:25] <m_billybob> hopefull hardware mode ? not fond of bit banging
  • [05:34:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm just saying, look at the actual signal. it's not complicated.
  • [05:35:22] <m_billybob> like with the msp430 you have software/hardware options for periphs, on the msp430 HW mode is usually the best route. easier, faster etc
  • [05:36:05] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> skaflux: you can delete the things that refere to the i2cChain->lock.
  • [05:36:07] <m_billybob> but i2c in HW mode on the msp430 loks to be a pita either way, ive onlydone SPI UART and GPIO, some timer stuff
  • [05:37:08] <skaflux> @PRU_EVTOUT_2 ok
  • [05:40:22] <skaflux> so what's the preferred IDE out there? I've seen tutorial for remote debugging on Eclipse and Netbeans.
  • [05:40:39] <m_billybob> which language ?
  • [05:40:55] <skaflux> C/C++
  • [05:40:57] <m_billybob> therescode::blocks too
  • [05:41:03] <m_billybob> code::blocks*
  • [05:41:33] <m_billybob> not sure of the suppport for ARMv7 gcc support though
  • [05:42:51] <m_billybob> "support" being loaded too, atleast with msp430, and other similar devices, you have to manually set everythign up yourself. but for code completion, etc, ive heard eclipse is hard to beat
  • [05:44:39] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> skaflux: i just use my desktop for editing and save it on a shared drive, then compile from the beaglebone :)
  • [05:45:10] <m_billybob> shared drive ?
  • [05:45:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> network drive.
  • [05:45:29] <m_billybob> thats a pretty good idea
  • [05:45:47] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> that way, i'm not depending on one particular beaglebone (i have several i go between)
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  • [05:46:20] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you can also set up a windows share, so you can access the beaglebone files from explorer.
  • [05:46:28] <m_billybob> great looks like my netinstall may hang, god i hope not still have to opkg force install
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  • [05:46:30] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err, from windows explorer.
  • [05:47:04] <m_billybob> yeah i hear ya, too bad its such a pita to setup VS with gcc
  • [05:47:11] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: not sure if it has changed in the black, but you should use a different temp dir for opkg.
  • [05:47:18] <m_billybob> im kind of partial to VS but yeah . . .
  • [05:47:45] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> cause /tmp is in memory, and fills pretty quick.
  • [05:47:50] <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, heh now you tell me
  • [05:48:22] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hosed my last upgrade because of that.
  • [05:48:25] <m_billybob> grrr
  • [05:48:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> no more boot :(
  • [05:48:29] <m_billybob> Configuring gnome-common-schemas.
  • [05:48:35] <m_billybob> hung or seemed to be hanging there
  • [05:48:47] <m_billybob> and i just ^c'd >:(
  • [05:48:55] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> lol, could have run top
  • [05:48:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> maybe it was doing something amazing.
  • [05:49:15] <m_billybob> any chance this will complete if i rerun ?
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  • [05:49:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> should really do a different temp dir
  • [05:49:38] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think it's -t <path here>
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  • [05:49:49] <m_billybob> ok forgive the newb question but i have no idea how to do that
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  • [05:50:11] <m_billybob> after opkg upgrade ?
  • [05:50:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> opkg upgrade -t ~/mytempdir
  • [05:50:23] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> no, command line argument for opkg
  • [05:50:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the dir has to exist though
  • [05:50:33] <m_billybob> well thats what i mean
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  • [05:52:33] <m_billybob> hmm gettign 404's now
  • [05:53:03] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> control+c during opkg kernel upgrade is not a good idea.
  • [05:54:14] <m_billybob> yeah wasnt my intention
  • [05:54:19] <ka6sox> b00m
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  • [05:56:33] <m_billybob> gconftool-2 seems to be using aroudn 21% CPU
  • [05:57:06] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you try opkg update again+
  • [05:57:17] <m_billybob> yeah why not im fooked either way
  • [05:57:25] <m_billybob> well at worst lol
  • [05:57:51] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> do temp dir though, just in case they didn't fix opkg yet.
  • [05:58:04] <m_billybob> already done
  • [05:58:51] <m_billybob> still stuck on configurering gnome-common-schemas
  • [06:01:05] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> could be real
  • [06:01:17] <m_billybob> ill let it sit a while
  • [06:01:32] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i actually don't know how long an update takes, i always do it before leaving/going to bed.
  • [06:01:58] <m_billybob> lol well when sd card gets hereif i cant fix it now ill fix it later
  • [06:03:00] <m_billybob> the downloads etc probably tok around 45 minutes
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  • [06:04:22] <m_billybob> but anyhow i have no idea what gconftool-2 is nor why else it would be bouncing between 14%-30% CPU
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  • [06:04:47] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> probably a tool for configuring something that starts with a g.
  • [06:04:50] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> :P
  • [06:05:17] <m_billybob> lol i guessed at thatalready, but seems its the gnome config tool
  • [06:06:20] <m_billybob> extremely tempted for forgo angstrom and just go debian
  • [06:06:48] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is there an active beaglebone debian branch?
  • [06:07:35] <m_billybob> it was listed on the getting started pages, but got to also remember open embedded was originally a debian tool
  • [06:08:33] <m_billybob> i know the original bone could take ubuntu though
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  • [06:08:54] <ka6sox> OE started as a debian tool?
  • [06:08:54] <m_billybob> https://www.youtube.com/user/DerekMolloyDCU
  • [06:09:03] <m_billybob> that guy has some decent beaglebone vids
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  • [06:09:54] <m_billybob> ka6sox, thats what im remembering from 3-4 years ago, maybe im remembering wrong ?
  • [06:10:32] <ka6sox> not that I remember from the 7yrs I've been involved...
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  • [06:12:55] <m_billybob> ah thumbs up its moved on
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  • [06:13:10] <m_billybob> ka6sox, well maybe thats just howi always viewed it i dotn know
  • [06:14:31] <ka6sox> but koen or crofton or others might have deeper history than mine.
  • [06:15:06] <ka6sox> I've always built with it on Debian or .deb platforms.
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  • [06:20:44] <m_billybob> dont see why a minimal debian install wouldnt install . . .hmm some error messages
  • [06:21:38] <m_billybob> WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.8/modules.builtin: No such file or directory <---- was expecting that
  • [06:23:05] <m_billybob> opkg --force-overwrite install kernel-image-3.8.8 mwahahaha
  • [06:23:33] <m_billybob> wonder if teh bonegets the last laugh we'll see
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  • [06:26:40] <m_billybob> root@beaglebone:~# uname -r
  • [06:26:40] <m_billybob> 3.8.8
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  • [06:27:57] <m_billybob> everything seems to be in orderawesome
  • [06:28:12] <m_billybob> now, wonder how much crap ive gotnow
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  • [06:35:51] <m_billybob> PRU, thanks much for the help :)
  • [06:38:09] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yo momma.
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  • [07:53:28] <panto> hi ka6sox
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  • [08:13:14] <koen> jackmitchell: can you give 3.8.11 a try with gcc 4.8?
  • [08:14:29] <jackmitchell> koen: sure
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  • [08:22:40] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 3 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/q1DX_Q
  • [08:22:40] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 4eef624 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add WIP camera cape driver...
  • [08:22:40] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 5c66219 Koen Kooi: 3.8: make more things a builtin for beaglebone...
  • [08:22:40] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 ca3adc6 Koen Kooi: 3.8: update to 3.8.11...
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  • [08:42:50] <jackmitchell> koen: Linux beaglebone 3.8.11-00574-g259f67b-dirty #34 SMP Thu May 2 09:36:07 BST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [08:42:52] <jackmitchell> \o/
  • [08:43:59] <koen> jackmitchell: I think it's this one: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/commit/?id=84237e8d1b43b896a86e14928993901993ede254
  • [08:44:28] <koen> jackmitchell: maybe perf will work as well now
  • [08:46:57] <jackmitchell> koen: unfortunately not, still hard crashes the board
  • [08:47:45] <koen> ah well
  • [08:47:49] <koen> at least it boots now :)
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  • [08:47:59] <jackmitchell> one step at a time ;)
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  • [09:35:04] <rob_w> i ve a odd busybox serial console issue .. the line breaking doesnt work, the Pos1 key etc
  • [09:35:15] <tsquar3d> ??????????????????AB[start]
  • [09:36:03] <rob_w> tsquar3d, is that anything which should tell me something ?
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  • [09:36:37] <tsquar3d> Supercharged weapons?
  • [09:37:14] <tsquar3d> That or 99 lives.
  • [09:37:41] * rob_w scratches his head bloddy
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  • [09:37:48] <tsquar3d> lol
  • [09:37:54] <tsquar3d> trolololo
  • [09:37:57] <tsquar3d> I have no idea.
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  • [09:38:18] <rob_w> at least that is some facts
  • [09:38:36] <tsquar3d> The more you know, right?
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  • [09:40:23] <tsquar3d> Woops... it is ba not ab.
  • [09:40:29] <tsquar3d> Busybox... eh?
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  • [09:42:51] <f11f12> how can I prevent tftpd (in.tftpd) to background? I tried -l -L options, adding -v -v -v (verbosity) does not say anything
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  • [09:44:31] <tsquar3d> rob_w, run it like this stty sane
  • [09:45:20] <rob_w> no change
  • [09:45:42] <rob_w> some newer busybox version introduced this
  • [09:46:05] <tsquar3d> Try stty raw
  • [09:46:12] <rob_w> my inittab call looks like this S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO2 vt102
  • [09:46:34] <rob_w> raw makes it worse
  • [09:46:44] <tsquar3d> Ah... dont do that.
  • [09:47:10] <rob_w> so what am i supposed to ?
  • [09:47:12] <tsquar3d> run it on /dev/ttyS0
  • [09:47:28] <rob_w> i got no ttyS0
  • [09:47:38] <rob_w> of course
  • [09:47:57] <rob_w> but why would a path change the behaviour ?
  • [09:47:58] <_av500_> tsquar3d: you are a few years late for ttyS0
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  • [09:48:05] <rob_w> :-=
  • [09:48:17] <_av500_> at least on TI silicon
  • [09:48:18] <tsquar3d> :-p
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  • [09:48:46] <tsquar3d> _av500_, well surely /dev/console wont work, right?
  • [09:48:56] <_av500_> now that omap is going jacinto, it should be ttyJx soon
  • [09:49:11] <_av500_> rob_w: vt102?
  • [09:49:13] <_av500_> what for?
  • [09:49:36] <rob_w> that was just a test ..
  • [09:49:45] * tsquar3d is usually a few years late.
  • [09:49:56] <dm8tbr> OMAP is dead long live Jacinto?
  • [09:49:57] <rob_w> as that is what my minicom is setup by default
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  • [09:50:11] * tsquar3d walks into a party and goes "wazzzzzup?!" in 2011.
  • [09:50:38] <_av500_> rob_w: I have vt100 in mine
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  • [09:50:41] <_av500_> buildroot on bone
  • [09:50:48] <rob_w> and no issue ?
  • [09:50:51] <_av500_> nope
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  • [09:51:01] <rob_w> some order inside inittab ?
  • [09:51:04] * tsquar3d goes to a gaming forum and declares "Hey guys! The cake is a lie! lolz!" in 2013.
  • [09:51:05] <rob_w> like mine ?
  • [09:51:37] <_av500_> busybox 1.21.0
  • [09:51:48] <_av500_> ttyO0::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyO0 115200 vt100 # GENERIC_SERIAL
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  • [09:51:55] <_av500_> as buildroot put it
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  • [09:52:28] * rob_w testing
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  • [09:53:10] <KotH> is there also a rob_w/stable?
  • [09:53:13] <rob_w> same problem
  • [09:53:29] <_av500_> KotH/next
  • [09:53:30] <rob_w> KotH, ?
  • [09:54:05] <rob_w> hmm BusyBox v1.19.4 ..
  • [09:54:13] * rob_w wonders if that upgrade might help
  • [09:55:04] <_av500_> rob_w: it works even with 1.7.2
  • [09:55:17] <KotH> _av500_: there can only be one!
  • [09:55:22] <_av500_> I doubt this is a busybox issue
  • [09:55:39] <rob_w> it did work with 1.17.4 for me
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  • [09:55:57] <rob_w> it is .. i can replace it to 1.17.4 and let the rest be the same and its back working
  • [09:56:19] <rob_w> or 1.13 i think
  • [09:56:31] <rob_w> will test some more versions
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  • [10:20:20] <_av500_> why?
  • [10:20:22] <_av500_> oos
  • [10:20:24] <_av500_> oops
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  • [10:37:27] <beagle-user> Beagle Black is already avaible to purcharse?
  • [10:37:38] <mru> yes
  • [10:37:59] <mrpackethead> Black is so yesterday
  • [10:38:14] <mrpackethead> Can't i have a green one
  • [10:38:16] <mru> mrpackethead: got your pink yet?
  • [10:38:34] <beagle-user> it is capable to run fierfox OS?
  • [10:38:40] <mrpackethead> beagle aqua-marine
  • [10:38:52] <_av500_> beagle-user: yes and no
  • [10:38:53] <mru> is firefox os capable of running?
  • [10:38:59] <dm8tbr> beagle-user: if there is an android build, then in theory you can make an adaptation.
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  • [10:39:12] <_av500_> at mwe are missing sgx drivers
  • [10:39:18] <_av500_> atm we*
  • [10:39:24] <mrpackethead> beagle-user: how much do you want to pay for a BBB
  • [10:39:29] <mrpackethead> we'll run an auction
  • [10:39:32] <dm8tbr> no webgl then :)
  • [10:39:41] <_av500_> no UI accell either
  • [10:39:55] <mrpackethead> but does fun things like protocol conversion
  • [10:39:59] <mrpackethead> and data collection
  • [10:40:07] <mrpackethead> and real world interfacing
  • [10:41:55] <beagle-user> mrpackethead: it's actually more expensive that R-Pi which i've got. I'm scary about taxes and percel cost. If I could buy it somwhere nearby my living place
  • [10:42:00] <tsquar3d> ... working on the data collection thing. ;-)
  • [10:42:13] <_av500_> beagle-user: your place being where?
  • [10:42:22] <_av500_> also, price is not the only thing in life
  • [10:42:25] <tsquar3d> No, it actually is not more expensive than the RPi as it has internal mem...
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  • [10:42:36] <mru> $10 is well worth the upgrade
  • [10:42:42] <beagle-user> Germany/Poland
  • [10:42:56] <tsquar3d> ... and you would spend $10+ on an sd for the Pi anyways.
  • [10:42:59] <mrpackethead> and a powersupply that doe'snt fall over when you look at it
  • [10:43:00] <_av500_> well, people have bought it in Germany
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  • [10:45:43] <tsquar3d> Ordered mine from fresnel a couple of days ago.. they estimate I should get it by next saturday. (UK, by the way)
  • [10:46:04] <beagle-user> beagle black have power supply included?
  • [10:46:13] <_av500_> no
  • [10:46:24] <mrpackethead> I just need to confirm that the bbb has'nt fundementally changed any of its hardware i/o
  • [10:46:30] <mrpackethead> heres hpping
  • [10:46:41] <beagle-user> so what dimmensinos jack should have?
  • [10:47:13] <_av500_> why not read the docs?
  • [10:47:28] <mrpackethead> yes, thats a good idea, the docs
  • [10:47:55] <panto> come on, who reads docs anymore? only neckbeards do that
  • [10:48:15] <tsquar3d> panto, people who ask too many questions.
  • [10:48:30] <mrpackethead> esp when thers trolls that will tell you everything you want to know, so they look smart to everyone else
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  • [10:48:43] <tsquar3d> lol mrpackethead +1
  • [10:48:48] <beagle-user> I found tutorial how to install Firefox OS, however it is Panda board, nor beagle black ;/ https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Pandaboard
  • [10:48:57] <panto> mrpackethead, troll might lie for amusement value though ;)
  • [10:49:26] <mrpackethead> no.. a lying troll.. never
  • [10:49:34] <tsquar3d> The BBB actually has a built-in blue-tooth controller... it is just not well documented.
  • [10:49:55] <mrpackethead> blue-tooth on black
  • [10:49:56] <tsquar3d> See what I did there?
  • [10:50:05] <mrpackethead> black-tooth on beaglboard-blue
  • [10:50:07] <tsquar3d> Not bluetooth, mind you...
  • [10:50:09] <jackmitchell> heh, the UART postings on the beagle mailing lists make me want to cry in frustration
  • [10:50:11] <tsquar3d> But blue-tooth.
  • [10:50:12] <_av500_> beagle-user: panda is different
  • [10:50:17] <_av500_> for panda there is android
  • [10:50:21] <_av500_> hence ffos
  • [10:50:36] <tsquar3d> Dawww.... an android panda... that would be so damned cute.
  • [10:50:37] <beagle-user> ok
  • [10:50:50] <mrpackethead> theres nothing nice about android
  • [10:50:53] <_troll_> panto: you calling me a liar?
  • [10:51:07] <mru> mrpackethead: it works...
  • [10:51:19] <mrpackethead> no, _troll_ you are a troll
  • [10:51:21] <tsquar3d> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_149563_1.jpg
  • [10:51:30] <tsquar3d> ^^pandroid
  • [10:51:48] <tsquar3d> _troll_ _troll_ is a _troll_
  • [10:51:59] <Spirilis> woot
  • [10:52:01] <Spirilis> hmm
  • [10:52:04] <Spirilis> time to check up on my 'bone
  • [10:52:11] <Spirilis> make sure it wasn't partying itself to death all night
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  • [10:52:52] <beagle-user> but BBB is capable to run Armstrong linux:) is any chance to build my own project such as OpenPandora.org did?
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  • [10:53:06] <panto> yes
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  • [10:53:28] <panto> and it's GNU/Armstrong/Angstrom/Linux for you
  • [10:53:32] <MicroConTROLOLER> beagle-user, the beauty of open source is that there is always a chance to build your own project.
  • [10:53:35] <_av500_> beagle-user: sure
  • [10:53:36] <Spirilis> hot dayum
  • [10:53:36] <Spirilis> real 285m9.719s
  • [10:53:36] <Spirilis> user 219m4.750s
  • [10:53:36] <Spirilis> sys 37m15.641s
  • [10:53:45] <mrhobbithead> gaah, pastbine
  • [10:53:51] <Spirilis> ^ time to build a GCC cross-compiler on the bone for the Renesas RX (rx-elf target) microcontroller
  • [10:54:03] <_av500_> people have too much time
  • [10:54:11] <panto> Spirilis, now you know why people cross-compile
  • [10:54:13] <mrhobbithead> bbb, debian
  • [10:54:15] <mru> what an utterly mad thing to do
  • [10:54:21] <Spirilis> yup
  • [10:54:27] <ezequielgarcia> hi
  • [10:54:29] <panto> but that's unethical computing
  • [10:54:45] <Spirilis> it's taken a lot less than that to build the rx-elf target on my Mac, for what it's worth ;)
  • [10:54:46] <mru> certainly if you're anyway cross-compiling, you'd want to do it on the fastest machine you have
  • [10:54:50] <panto> my compiles are organic, fair-trade only
  • [10:55:17] <MicroConTROLOLER> beagle-user, all you need --> http://bit.ly/12Gc8Xx
  • [10:55:18] <mrhobbithead> but your clothes where made in a bandgaleshy factory ?
  • [10:55:27] <Spirilis> although I've never tried using a cross-compiler to build a cross-compiling build, that might get interesting
  • [10:55:44] <Spirilis> i.e. macosx arm x-compiler building the rx-elf target
  • [10:55:47] <mru> that's a canadian cross
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  • [10:55:52] <Spirilis> haha
  • [10:55:59] <mru> that's the official term
  • [10:56:02] <Spirilis> I like it
  • [10:56:06] <mru> for cross-compiling a cross-compiler
  • [10:56:30] <panto> compilers, america's hat
  • [10:56:54] <MicroConTROLOLER> Yo! I heard you like cross-compiling so I put a cross-compiled your cross-compiler so you can cross-compile with a cross-compiled cross-compiler.
  • [10:57:03] <Spirilis> werd
  • [10:57:31] <mrhobbithead> one day, we'll have a cross-compiling system set up as a virtual appliance
  • [10:57:35] <mrhobbithead> so you can just download it
  • [10:57:55] <MicroConTROLOLER> A cross-compiler running in an emulator.
  • [10:57:59] <_av500_> soon it will all be ARM
  • [10:58:03] <_av500_> no need to cross compile
  • [10:58:29] <mrhobbithead> seems you might be right
  • [10:58:35] <mru> MicroConTROLOLER: don't give them ideas
  • [10:58:37] <MicroConTROLOLER> So you can cross-compile on your emulated system for your native system
  • [10:59:15] <mrhobbithead> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
  • [10:59:20] <MicroConTROLOLER> Be sure to static-link everything.
  • [10:59:32] <beagle-user> MicroConTROLOLER: link you sent is broken
  • [10:59:50] <MicroConTROLOLER> beagle-user, It is not useful, anyhow...
  • [10:59:58] <MicroConTROLOLER> trolololo
  • [11:02:27] <_av500_> cheap laser, HP or Brother?
  • [11:02:36] <MicroConTROLOLER> Metal style - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CFnM4SYQC8
  • [11:02:50] <MicroConTROLOLER> laser printer or laser laser av500?
  • [11:03:53] <MicroConTROLOLER> Cuz I dont think HP or Brother sells lasers.
  • [11:04:10] <MicroConTROLOLER> I would go with HP just because the parts are easy to get.
  • [11:04:24] <beagle-user> how much RAM BBB is capable to support. I ask such question because I consider to extent it. I used service in order to extended RAM in my tab. Operation was successfull
  • [11:04:43] <panto> beagle-user, the ram is not extendable
  • [11:05:05] <_av500_> ram doubler?
  • [11:05:07] <jackmitchell> _av500_: I've had no issues with my Brother 2250DN
  • [11:05:21] <_av500_> jackmitchell: thats the one
  • [11:05:26] <panto> _av500_, +1
  • [11:05:43] <jackmitchell> I just use a generic print driver with it, not the brother one though
  • [11:05:48] <_av500_> heck, its only ???95
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  • [11:06:23] <jackmitchell> duplex + small + cheap knock-off refills; I couldn't find better
  • [11:06:38] <_av500_> even the brother toner is cheap, compared to HP
  • [11:06:50] <beagle-user> panto: I know, however I know someone who upgraded my tab. He have hardware and experience to do such things
  • [11:06:58] <_av500_> your what?
  • [11:07:07] <jackmitchell> galaxy tab?
  • [11:07:12] <jackmitchell> browser tab?
  • [11:07:16] <MicroConTROLOLER> I would advise avoiding cannon like the plague, though. The drivers are absolute crap.
  • [11:07:21] <_av500_> tab the soft drink
  • [11:07:37] <MicroConTROLOLER> jackmitchell, av500 trololololo
  • [11:08:19] <jackmitchell> MicroConTROLOLER: we just encourage people to be clear, that way questions get answered and wires do not get corssed
  • [11:09:14] <MicroConTROLOLER> Just dont make newcomers sad.
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  • [11:10:42] <mrhobbithead> Ugh... gotta meet a student in 20 minutes.
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  • [11:10:53] <beagle-user> why is not given location nearby shop names at http://beagleboard.org/?
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  • [11:11:09] <tsquar3d-work> later, dudes.
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  • [11:11:49] <_av500_> beagle-user: ?
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  • [11:12:48] <beagle-user> _av500_: http://pandaboard.org/content/buy
  • [11:12:55] <beagle-user> there is written
  • [11:12:59] <beagle-user> europa
  • [11:13:04] <beagle-user> asia
  • [11:13:08] <beagle-user> and so on
  • [11:13:12] <_av500_> and?
  • [11:13:28] <beagle-user> at beagleboard.org is not...
  • [11:13:40] <mru> does anyone ship to antarctica?
  • [11:13:51] <mru> and what about the space station?
  • [11:13:59] <beagle-user> i must spend lots of time in order search location best around me
  • [11:14:24] <_av500_> mein Mitleid h??lt sich in Grenzen
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  • [11:15:54] <dm8tbr> mru: shipping to the ISS would be a nice stunt
  • [11:16:12] <mru> time to call up the russians?
  • [11:16:27] <mru> 1 BlackBone: $45
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  • [11:16:36] <mru> Shipping: $10000000
  • [11:16:57] <dm8tbr> the look on jason's face: priceless...
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  • [11:25:14] <KotH> a space grade bone would be really nice
  • [11:25:29] <panto> KotH, yes
  • [11:25:39] <panto> if you get around that pesky rad problem
  • [11:35:29] <_av500_> wrap it in layers of rpis
  • [11:35:32] <_av500_> they are cheap
  • [11:36:16] <panto> but then you'd have a bunch of radioactive rpis
  • [11:36:23] <panto> you wouldn't want one of them to get superpowers
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  • [11:37:08] <_av500_> they cant
  • [11:37:10] <_av500_> no neon
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  • [11:38:05] <KotH> panto: rad, thermal and outgasing proplems
  • [11:38:44] <ezequielgarcia> i'm having a problem with lcd7 cape after resuming the board
  • [11:38:55] <ezequielgarcia> i have to remux the backlight, has anyone seen this?
  • [11:39:34] <ezequielgarcia> after remuxing the gpmc_a2 pin, the lcd works again. this is quite odd, isn't it?
  • [11:40:33] <mdp> panto, your code in space
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  • [11:40:45] * _av500_ codes in tabs
  • [11:41:04] <mdp> it's code as hell there
  • [11:41:10] <_av500_> lol
  • [11:41:27] <mdp> I blame you for that one
  • [11:42:08] <mru> http://www.emacswiki.org/pics/static/TabsSpacesBoth.png
  • [11:43:00] <mdp> heh
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  • [11:45:28] <panto> KotH, thermal ok, outgassing?
  • [11:45:55] <mru> the vacuum of space pulls the magic smoke out of circuits unless they are carefully sealed
  • [11:46:31] <panto> I know but for simple silicon based socs is that a problem?
  • [11:48:08] <mdp> silicon based lifeforms have it easy compared to ugly sacks of water
  • [11:48:18] <mdp> [reference test]
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  • [11:48:49] <panto> we're talking about electronics here, not other components
  • [11:49:10] <mru> not that evil, planet-destroying crystal in star trek?
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  • [11:50:02] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/RUeMxQ
  • [11:50:02] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 fd1dd2c Koen Kooi: 3.8: add 2 hacks for the camera cape...
  • [11:52:35] <mdp> mru, yeah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paH97dYR6Lg
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  • [11:52:39] <Stefan__> hi guys! hope everyone is having a good day :)
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  • [11:53:31] <mru> mdp: what's with the horizontal stretching of that video?
  • [11:53:37] <Stefan__> I am trying to compile something (yet again) which uses edma but am being unable to do so since mach/edma.h does not seem to exist... I am kind of stuck since I can't find any similar file anywhere in the kernel sources that I am working with
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  • [11:53:58] <mdp> mru, some weird 4:3 conversion, I suppose
  • [11:54:06] <mru> yes, clearly
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  • [11:54:15] <mru> star trek was done in 4:3
  • [11:54:24] <mru> because that's what TVs looked like back then
  • [11:54:30] <mdp> "back in the day"
  • [11:55:12] <mru> have you seen the HD remaster of the ToS?
  • [11:55:18] <mdp> no
  • [11:55:32] <mdp> any good?
  • [11:55:32] <mru> they re-rendered some of the pure cgi sequences
  • [11:55:43] <mdp> interesting
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  • [11:55:50] <mru> so those are much cleaner than the live-action parts
  • [11:55:55] <mru> a bit weird
  • [11:56:11] <mdp> do they fix shatner's dialog too?
  • [11:56:15] <mdp> I hope not
  • [11:56:16] <mru> sadly no
  • [11:56:18] <mdp> ;)
  • [11:57:02] <mru> by "dialog", do you mean "shake subject violently and yell in his face"?
  • [11:57:51] <mdp> mru, right, equally effective when trying to lay a green alien woman, or defend the ship from enemies, or knock the sense into some stupid starfleet researcher on the planet below
  • [11:58:01] <mdp> shaken star trek syndrome
  • [11:58:01] <rob_w> av500, what you think where my Pos1 , line break problem comes from ?
  • [11:58:28] <rob_w> it seems ur right in that it is not busybox .. i cant get it back working even on busybox 1.13
  • [11:58:44] <rob_w> i use the same tinylogin/getty and kernel as before ..
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  • [12:19:13] <_av500_> rob_w: sorry, no idea
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  • [12:20:49] <KotH> panto: the problem is that the gas consists of nasty hydrocarbon complexes that will condensate on the surrounding stuff
  • [12:22:02] <KotH> panto: they can do nothing, corrode your solder joints, coat your mechanics and render the lubricant worthless, coat optical components and make them blind....etc pp
  • [12:23:57] <rob_w> hmm no i think its the keyboard layout
  • [12:24:02] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/hHJIrA
  • [12:24:03] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 4e80cad Koen Kooi: 3.8: add missing camera patch, fix usage of reset cape...
  • [12:24:13] <rob_w> there are even some keys which dont work when i login via ssh
  • [12:24:52] <tsquar3d> So-- just an FYI for students out there.... your teachers love it when you come to their office asking for help and you haven't actually done the assignment... that is all.
  • [12:25:08] <_av500_> doing it is overrated
  • [12:26:00] <mru> the trick is to talk to the teacher _pretending_ you've done it
  • [12:26:13] <mru> if you're lucky, he'll start commenting on the solution
  • [12:26:15] <tsquar3d> Well, I will tell you.. my students don't even pretend.
  • [12:26:16] <tsquar3d> lol
  • [12:26:27] <mru> it worked for me at least once
  • [12:26:46] <tsquar3d> me: So.. did you do the assigment where we deal with this concept. student: nope.
  • [12:28:05] <KotH> tsquar3d: dont tell me you expected anything else
  • [12:28:17] <tsquar3d> KotH: Sadly, no.
  • [12:28:21] <tsquar3d> I did not.
  • [12:28:22] <tsquar3d> :-(
  • [12:28:34] <tsquar3d> They're good kids.... but sometimes...
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  • [12:28:51] <jackmitchell> beer > assignments
  • [12:29:06] <_av500_> poor beer on the assignments?
  • [12:29:20] <jackmitchell> have beer then do assignments
  • [12:29:22] <tsquar3d> If you were badd-ass enough, you should be able to ged wasted and get your assignments done.
  • [12:29:47] <tsquar3d> get*
  • [12:30:11] <jackmitchell> I think you're confusing bad-ass with motivated
  • [12:30:48] <KotH> ballmer peak?
  • [12:31:47] <tsquar3d> ballmer peak all the way.
  • [12:32:12] <mru> let's race to the top
  • [12:33:06] <tsquar3d> No -- it is not bad-ass to fail your classes. Anyone can get wasted and fail -- it takes a true bad ass to get wasted and blow all the sober peeps out of the water.
  • [12:33:42] <tsquar3d> I had a classmate like that once. Showed up to every exam drunk. Smelled awful -- it made me nauseous. Always got an "A".
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  • [12:35:09] <jacekowski> i don't think that in 15 or so years of education i've ever studied for any kind of test
  • [12:35:52] <tsquar3d> jacekowski: Well, and then you have people like me who would fail the tests... but wind up helping everyone else out with their homework and projects.
  • [12:35:57] <KotH> in my 22 years.. i studied for quite a lot of tests
  • [12:35:58] <mru> I often made a point _not_ to touch the textbooks the night before an exam
  • [12:36:03] <KotH> espacially in the later years
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  • [12:36:26] <mru> I'd obviously read them earlier
  • [12:36:45] <KotH> mru: there is no point in reading a textbook the night before... if you dont know the stuff you wont learn it in a night either
  • [12:36:52] <mru> exactly
  • [12:37:00] <mru> much better to arrive at the exam well-rested
  • [12:37:00] <KotH> mru: looking at exercises and old tests is a completely different matter though
  • [12:37:04] <jacekowski> i've just realised that studying textbooks doesn't help at all
  • [12:37:17] <mru> KotH: I didn't do that either the night before
  • [12:37:18] <KotH> jacekowski: then you had the wrong textbooks
  • [12:37:27] <KotH> mru: neither me
  • [12:37:27] <jacekowski> i could get all A's in maths and physics and pretty much all science subjects
  • [12:37:37] * tsquar3d spends 5 hours a week tutoring the A student on our mathematical programming course -- can't sleep the night before because of extreme anxiety -- gets to the test -- becomes mentally retarded and fails.
  • [12:37:39] <KotH> mru: i usually did that on my way to the test :)
  • [12:37:57] <jacekowski> but all the art subjects, whatever i did it was always just above fail
  • [12:38:18] <mru> anything you try to learn in the last 12h before an exam isn't likely to stick anyway
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  • [12:38:37] <jacekowski> well, you don't want it to stick for very long
  • [12:38:43] <jacekowski> just enough to get through the exam
  • [12:39:09] <tsquar3d> Is this going to turn into a "I failed all my classes because I was too advanced and they boerd me" conversation?
  • [12:39:18] <mru> most of the exams were sane and let you bring some material too
  • [12:39:34] <mru> so no need to memorise complex equations
  • [12:39:44] <mru> as long as you knew roughly where to find them
  • [12:39:49] <jacekowski> my maths teacher allowed us to bring anything in, as long as it was your notes
  • [12:39:58] <KotH> tsquar3d: nah.. those people here i know, did not fail their exams
  • [12:40:17] <jacekowski> so no textbooks or anything, but if you were to hand copy it, you were allowed to have it
  • [12:40:32] <mru> I only failed statistics
  • [12:40:39] <_av500_> how often?
  • [12:40:46] <mru> but since it was one sample only, the result is not statistically significant
  • [12:40:57] <jacekowski> i don't like statistics
  • [12:41:16] <mru> the way they presented it was bizarre
  • [12:41:23] <tsquar3d> I never actually failed a class in Uni -- got a D once, but I did write "42" for the answer to ever question on the final.
  • [12:41:25] <mru> made no sense
  • [12:41:48] <KotH> mru: statistics is quite bizarre, imho
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  • [12:42:06] <mru> the class covered several topics
  • [12:42:45] <mru> only the bit about stochastic processes had any relevance for me
  • [12:42:57] <mru> and that fell into place later when I took signal theory
  • [12:43:08] <KotH> hmm...
  • [12:43:16] * KotH never got the hang of signal theory
  • [12:43:34] <KotH> mostly because it made no sense the way it got presented
  • [12:43:53] <KotH> later, when i took an advanced information theory class, it made sense, but the math was way over my head ^^'
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  • [12:44:11] <tsquar3d> Anyhow... gotta go corrupt the youth.
  • [12:44:14] <tsquar3d> later.
  • [12:44:19] <KotH> have fun
  • [12:44:43] <KotH> ah... i like managment...
  • [12:44:46] <tsquar3d> KotH: Oh... I will... I will...
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  • [12:45:31] <KotH> someone who has no clue about linux whatsoever has to do a project plan and cost calculation for an embedded linux project... and only asks me cursory question like whether it's possible to boot into the app whithout revealing that its a linux underneath
  • [12:46:09] <mru> that's a good management trick
  • [12:46:19] <mru> suppose you want the answer to be 'yes'
  • [12:46:45] <mru> then you cherry-pick a narrow question for which it most probably is and ask this of your resident expert
  • [12:46:57] <mru> later, when it all blows up, you can blame the engineer
  • [12:48:18] <KotH> they usually dont blame the engineer unless it was really his fault
  • [12:48:33] <koen> everytime I see KotH on #beagle I get a craving for chocolate
  • [12:48:38] <KotH> hehe
  • [12:48:48] <KotH> koen: if i can get to ELCE, i'll bring you some :)
  • [12:48:54] <koen> :)
  • [12:49:06] <mru> KotH: they'll say the engineer said 'yes'
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  • [12:52:54] <KotH> mru: well.. if that happens here, then i'm gone
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  • [12:59:09] <mdp> mru, and if your resident expert asks further clarifying questions you tell them that's not important and attempt to mushroom them
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  • [12:59:22] <mdp> "focus on my question, please!"
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  • [13:02:51] <SlashV> ll
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  • [13:08:45] <beagle-user> is any guide or wiki for BBB?
  • [13:10:02] <dm8tbr> what are you looking for?
  • [13:14:08] <Spirilis> so when installing a cross-compiler, say for the mac, would it be "arm-elf-gcc" or "arm-none-eabi-gcc"? the latter is just for microcontrollers right?
  • [13:14:32] <bradfa> Spirilis, there should be a "linux" in your triplet I'd think
  • [13:14:40] <bradfa> like arm-linux-gnueabi
  • [13:14:46] <Spirilis> ahh
  • [13:14:50] <Spirilis> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc
  • [13:15:02] <bradfa> Spirilis, yes
  • [13:15:05] <Spirilis> got it :)
  • [13:15:10] <panto> Spirilis, don't try to compile a kernel on the mac though
  • [13:15:15] <bradfa> panto, shhh!
  • [13:15:20] <panto> hehe :)
  • [13:15:44] <bradfa> Spirilis, panto just thinks your mac will spontaneously burst into flames when it compiles linux kernel, licensing issues and whatnot :)
  • [13:15:59] <Spirilis> it probably will
  • [13:16:06] <Spirilis> heh macports variant of that is gcc 3.x
  • [13:16:07] <Spirilis> nasty
  • [13:16:10] <mdp> jump! jump! jump!
  • [13:16:14] * bradfa jumps!
  • [13:16:17] <panto> bradfa, no, there's a technical reason why :)
  • [13:16:44] * bradfa hasn't used macs in about a decade
  • [13:17:29] * bradfa liked macs until he found yellowdog and noticed it ran nicely on his G4
  • [13:18:51] <ClemsonTim80_> panto - you tried to help me out yesterday with device tree support for direct (no cape) UARTS access from C (Using RCN Ubuntu image). Sorry - Wrote it down but my notes. Can you point me in right direction again ?
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  • [13:20:00] <panto> ClemsonTim80_, http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/
  • [13:20:39] <ClemsonTim80_> panto - thanks
  • [13:20:50] <ssi> suppose it'd be feasible to make an EPP parallel port cape for BBB?
  • [13:21:01] <koen> mdp: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  • [13:21:06] <panto> mdp, mdp, mdp!
  • [13:21:11] * mdp bounces
  • [13:21:13] <panto> let's all chant
  • [13:21:33] <mdp> and it all started with the legendary ISA cape ;)
  • [13:21:38] <mdp> ssi, yes
  • [13:22:27] <mdp> ssi, one approach is to implement it with the PRU
  • [13:22:32] <Spirilis> there was an ISA cape?
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  • [13:22:40] <ssi> makes sense
  • [13:22:50] <mdp> Spirilis, so the legend says
  • [13:23:17] <mdp> it existed in visionary discussions right here on this channel
  • [13:23:24] <Spirilis> haha
  • [13:23:30] <mdp> no sightings have been properly documented
  • [13:23:58] <panto> mdp, s/visionary/delusional/g
  • [13:24:04] <mdp> whoa
  • [13:24:11] <panto> :P
  • [13:24:26] * panto trolls a bit
  • [13:24:30] * panto goes back to work
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  • [13:26:20] <beagle-user> dm8tbr: I'm actualy courious in terms of hardware specs. How much BBB drains power at max load, how does looks like usb power managment (i.e. may I connect joypad without issues)
  • [13:26:58] <dm8tbr> joypad ??? GPIO or USB, your choice
  • [13:27:01] <phenry> Hallo all. Just got a BeagleBone Black, and I'm trying to set up the micro SD as a data drive. Seems possible according to the SRM. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get both eMMC and microSD working at the same time. Each works individually. With microSD plugged in uboot tries to boot from it no matter what the state of the USER button, claims there is no NAND device. Anybody got this to work?
  • [13:27:29] <dm8tbr> is there no BBB SRM yet?
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  • [13:27:48] <phenry> There is a BBB SRM
  • [13:28:51] <phenry> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Hardware_Files
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  • [13:32:00] <KotH> mdp: do you own a "managments guide to engineers" ?
  • [13:32:51] <KotH> how well is the LVDS cape supported?
  • [13:33:07] <mdp> no, I've seen the engineering manager's survival guide though ;)
  • [13:33:21] <KotH> mdp: can i have a copy? :)
  • [13:33:55] <mdp> the title lies...there's no surviving that role...save your b/w ;)
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  • [13:38:15] <KotH> mdp: ie, once you become a manager, you'll die?
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  • [13:38:46] <panto> not, but you'll turn into a butterfly and fly away
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  • [13:41:16] <KotH> wtf is with all that bitcoin hype?
  • [13:41:22] <mru> hype
  • [13:41:30] <KotH> have people turned totally crazy?
  • [13:41:33] <panto> beaglebone as a bitcoin mining rig!
  • [13:41:34] <mru> no
  • [13:41:37] <mru> they were already crazy
  • [13:41:47] <mru> they merely found a new craze
  • [13:42:14] <jackmitchell> it baffles me that people who usually do bitcoin mining do it on ??250 GPUs
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  • [13:42:51] <jackmitchell> and then people come along thinking a ??30 ARM cpu could do a good job of it...
  • [13:43:22] <KotH> jackmitchell: if you use enough of them, why not?
  • [13:43:57] <jackmitchell> KotH: if you planned on using enough of them just get a damn GPU
  • [13:44:16] <koen> jackmitchell: or FPGAs
  • [13:44:19] <KotH> psst... dont spoil their fun
  • [13:44:51] <jackmitchell> they can manage to find and post on a mailing list, but can't grasp the simple concept of an low end ARM vs a high end GPU
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  • [13:45:34] <KotH> understanding of technical details is difficult, even for people trained in the art
  • [13:46:15] <KotH> like our "chief R&D", who is (still) called the resident unix expert, promots the use of the rpi, because it's good
  • [13:46:18] <jackmitchell> koen: indeed, where is the parallalelalalelala link when you need it ;)
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  • [13:47:20] <bradfa> jackmitchell, I think it has more cores than you have "la" there...
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  • [13:47:38] <jackmitchell> parallalele^64
  • [13:47:46] <bradfa> that's more like it :)
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  • [13:49:09] <jackmitchell> the not being able to us UARTs except through javascript comments killed what little remaining faith I had in humanity
  • [13:49:23] <KotH> jackmitchell: huh?
  • [13:49:25] <phenry> huh...looks like the uboot bootcmd on BBB doesn't match the boot order in the SRM
  • [13:49:28] <KotH> jackmitchell: what was that?
  • [13:49:43] <jackmitchell> KotH: heh somewhere on the mailing list in the last few days
  • [13:49:59] <KotH> jackmitchell: rpi?
  • [13:50:08] <wulfman> cant ssh into my BBB anybody having the same issue?
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  • [13:50:24] <KotH> jackmitchell: and what does have js comments to do with an uart?
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  • [13:50:33] <KotH> jackmitchell: it sounds like someone smoked something really bad
  • [13:50:58] <jackmitchell> "So much for downward compatibility from BB classic to black -- TI blew it. While Bonescript is nice its not for everyone -- they need a way to write to
  • [13:50:58] <jackmitchell> the hardware that is universal not tied to an interpretted language like JS. Linux is all about choices in languages and open source. Now I feel boxed in!"
  • [13:51:06] <KotH> wulfman: "does not work" is not a problem description
  • [13:51:14] <KotH> wulfman: see the smartquestion faq
  • [13:51:35] <KotH> jackmitchell: WTF????
  • [13:51:56] <jackmitchell> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/pf1MNKptqS0
  • [13:52:32] <_av500_> ha, the BBBBB
  • [13:52:35] <_av500_> the BBB boot button
  • [13:52:40] <wulfman> i have no idea how to ask that question any other way
  • [13:52:41] <_av500_> B5 in short
  • [13:52:41] <jackmitchell> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/4e2T6XH-fNM
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  • [13:52:56] <wulfman> would you like the error ?
  • [13:53:08] <_av500_> wulfman: assume we are not seeing your screen
  • [13:53:13] <wulfman> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
  • [13:53:20] <wulfman> and its NOT my pc
  • [13:53:36] <jackmitchell> I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at either of those threads, I couldn't even bring myself to try and write a sensible response
  • [13:53:39] <wulfman> seems the bone has an issue i have 2 one works one does not
  • [13:54:08] <panto> jackmitchell, I'm about to post an answer of the form 'you guys are too stupid to live'
  • [13:54:22] <panto> those posts made me dumber
  • [13:54:28] <mdp> as always, the underinvestment is in s/w where the complexity is
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  • [13:54:53] <_av500_> jackmitchell: why laugh?
  • [13:55:21] <_av500_> these people are asking a simple question
  • [13:55:25] <KotH> wulfman: use -v
  • [13:55:35] <KotH> wulfman: then ssh tells you what it does and where it fails
  • [13:55:39] <koen> jackmitchell: no doubt that TI blew it
  • [13:55:43] <KotH> wulfman: google for the error msg from ssh
  • [13:55:50] <wulfman> i was doing that
  • [13:56:02] <wulfman> seems you need assecc to the bone to correct that
  • [13:56:05] <wulfman> access
  • [13:56:09] <koen> jackmitchell: but I do take offence at people assuming TI actually did work on bbb, minus a few patches
  • [13:56:35] <jackmitchell> _av500_: not in a cruel way, but in exasperation
  • [13:56:40] <KotH> wulfman: use the serial console
  • [13:56:42] <mdp> koen, agreed. TI should actually staff s/w resources for a major product release
  • [13:57:01] <mdp> koen, been a problem long before BBB, as you know
  • [13:57:08] <koen> not to dimish the great help from mdp, darren, etc
  • [13:57:31] <koen> but roughly speaking, >90% of all the work done on beagle* is not from TI
  • [13:57:32] <mdp> it's spare time stuff
  • [13:59:31] <mdp> that's always been my complaint about the staffing
  • [13:59:48] <KotH> koen: apropos software...do you know how well the software support for the LVDS cape is?
  • [14:02:26] <ClemsonTim80_> panto - no joy looking thru chat logs for device tree / UART stuff - I realize time is UTC - looks like log has a gap from 01:17:09 to 15:54:44
  • [14:03:44] <panto> http://pastebin.com/6XXgBBRg
  • [14:03:51] <panto> compile it with dtc
  • [14:03:57] <panto> put the dtbo in /lib/firmware
  • [14:04:21] <panto> echo BB-BONE-UART1 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
  • [14:04:23] <panto> done
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  • [14:08:40] <ClemsonTim80_> @panto - Many thanks
  • [14:11:26] <_av500_> panto: what is 00A0?
  • [14:13:04] <panto> revision
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  • [14:14:32] <pittbull> hey guys..I have a quick question about GSoC
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  • [14:16:03] <pittbull> I`d like to tackle the PRU firmware loader
  • [14:16:57] <pittbull> but I wanted to know if that idea is on the "priority list"?
  • [14:20:23] <pittbull> or if its of interest to the community
  • [14:20:34] <Tartarus> Well, the priority in part is "what will people be excited to work on"
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  • [14:22:12] <KotH> koen: you'll get an extra bar of chocolate for an answer ;)
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  • [14:25:48] <_av500_> hmm, unevent.txt is neat
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  • [14:27:03] <mru> _av500_: ?
  • [14:27:03] <Tartarus> Reminds me, what's the gsoc list?
  • [14:28:28] <koen> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/beagleboard-gsoc
  • [14:29:09] <Tartarus> thanks
  • [14:29:48] <_av500_> mru: Gerald Coley's spell checker
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  • [14:34:45] <ClemsonTim80_> panto - getting this during dtc compile tim@ubuntu:~/Documents$ dtc -O dtb -o UART1.dtb -b 0 UART1.dts DTC: dts->dtb on file "UART1.dts" Error: UART1.dts:11.6-12 syntax error FATAL ERROR: Unable to parse input tree
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  • [14:39:34] <pittbull> well.. i find that project interesting but I do have a few questions
  • [14:39:56] <pittbull> regarding how it should work
  • [14:41:44] <pittbull> 1st off I don`t know if cape hot swapping is supported
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  • [14:41:56] <pittbull> and if so how is the detection done when swapping?
  • [14:42:07] <wulfman> cape hot swap is NOT supported
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  • [14:42:42] <pittbull> so capes are detected at boot-time?
  • [14:42:53] <wulfman> if you try you will let the magic smoke out of the chips
  • [14:43:05] <pittbull> (I don`t have a BB so some of my questions are stupid..sorry for that)
  • [14:43:21] <wulfman> nothing is stupid
  • [14:45:21] <pittbull> so cape detection is done while booting the board? or you need to hand-start it?
  • [14:45:33] <wulfman> yes on boot
  • [14:46:09] <mru> yes, you hand-start it by turning a little crank
  • [14:46:32] <pittbull> :))
  • [14:46:32] <wulfman> wtf MY bord did not come with a hand crank
  • [14:46:35] <panto> ClemsonTim80_, you need to compile with the patched dtc plus supply a -@ argument
  • [14:47:15] <pittbull> and detection is done by bus polling i presume?
  • [14:47:35] <wulfman> no there is an eeprom on the cape
  • [14:47:43] <wulfman> you need to read the bb manual
  • [14:47:52] <pittbull> I know there is a eeprom
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  • [14:48:21] <pittbull> but I know they have different addresses
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  • [14:49:54] <ClemsonTim80_> panto - I will try to get patched dtc - can you type a complete compile command showing the arguments you speak of
  • [14:50:12] <panto> ClemsonTim80_, why make thing more complicated?
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  • [14:50:20] <panto> grab the bbb kernel
  • [14:50:30] <panto> and add you cape in firmware/capes
  • [14:50:33] <panto> *your
  • [14:50:54] <panto> add the cape in firmware/Makefile too
  • [14:51:01] <panto> compile, and it's all there
  • [14:51:02] <ClemsonTim80_> I don't have a cape - using native UARTS with level shifters
  • [14:52:09] <panto> most of the 'capes' in there are not real
  • [14:52:18] <panto> they are just like what you do
  • [14:52:38] <panto> a way to define a hardware set and turn it on at runtime
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  • [14:55:15] <mdp> panto, hehe
  • [14:55:35] <mdp> VirtuaCapes ... FIGHT!
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  • [14:57:23] <pittbull> wulfman thank you very much for all your help
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  • [15:10:49] <ptan> anyone here know how to access the i2c2 bus on BB black?
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  • [15:11:16] <ptan> i2cdetect -l only shows i2c-0 and i2c-1
  • [15:11:43] <ptan> I'm trying to debug a cape that I'm building for the BB...
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  • [15:11:57] <panto> i2c-1 is actually h/w I2C2
  • [15:12:15] <panto> the numbers are assigned sequentially
  • [15:12:25] <panto> i2c1 is not enabled, so...
  • [15:12:43] <ptan> Ahhh... ok, thanks... I'll look further into that!
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  • [15:16:37] <Stefan__> Hi guys, I am struggling a bit with pin muxing (again) in the devicetree setting in the new kernel
  • [15:16:54] <Stefan__> so I do cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins but how do I decode what the output means?
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  • [15:20:42] <panto> it's the values of the pinmuxing registers
  • [15:21:05] <panto> try this too: cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pinmux-pins
  • [15:22:50] <Stefan__> panto: ok, interesting
  • [15:23:27] <Stefan__> panto: but how do I go from pin # to pin # on the BB P8 for example?
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  • [15:25:44] <panto> Stefan__, I made a list: http://pastebin.com/G09t2wq4
  • [15:26:48] <Stefan__> panto: that's great work
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  • [15:27:16] <Stefan__> panto: now I just need to get my head around how you add hardware to the mux overlays :D
  • [15:27:41] <mdp> panto, did you know about bradfa's list?
  • [15:28:00] * bradfa scrolls back...
  • [15:28:26] <panto> yeah, but I needed something simpler in text format
  • [15:28:35] <panto> bradfa's was/is an xls right?
  • [15:28:40] <bradfa> panto, it's text files
  • [15:28:45] * bradfa finds link...
  • [15:28:48] <Stefan__> ooh, can I get pointed to this xls list :D
  • [15:28:58] <Stefan__> oh :(
  • [15:28:59] <mdp> bradfa's is text
  • [15:29:01] <Stefan__> it's txt :D
  • [15:29:03] <mdp> glorious text
  • [15:29:06] <bradfa> https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables
  • [15:29:07] <panto> someone had made an xls
  • [15:29:17] <bradfa> panto, so far every xls I've found was wrong
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  • [15:29:20] <panto> heh, then it wasn't bradfa's :)
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  • [15:29:29] <mdp> panto, only xls I know of what the PRU one..that one was correct
  • [15:29:33] <panto> I could've saved a few hours
  • [15:29:51] <mdp> panto, you should have asked me, I swear I would have mentioned it
  • [15:30:01] * panto shrugs
  • [15:30:03] <panto> no biggie
  • [15:30:07] <bradfa> I think up till (maybe including?) bone rev A6 that the SRM was actually wrong, even
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  • [15:30:18] <mdp> I will make my own version and blog about it
  • [15:30:23] <Stefan__> I need a bigger monitor -- the text wraps around on mine and it's hell trying to follow the lines :/
  • [15:30:25] <bradfa> mdp, please do!
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  • [15:30:35] <KotH> gmbl...
  • [15:30:45] <mdp> bradfa, it'll be a pdf with comic sans
  • [15:30:53] <bradfa> kern it wrong!
  • [15:30:58] <Stefan__> mdp: slow clap!
  • [15:31:00] * KotH hates the designers of the msp430 fram devices
  • [15:31:14] <bradfa> KotH, but fram solves even more things than systemd!
  • [15:31:48] <KotH> bradfa: yeah.. and i have now the third bricked device because something wrote into the area where the JTAG keys are stored
  • [15:32:05] <bradfa> KotH, device tree can help, I'm sure of it!
  • [15:32:15] * KotH installs linux on the msp
  • [15:32:22] <bradfa> yes!
  • [15:32:35] <panto> device tree for stelaris!
  • [15:32:36] <bradfa> KotH, if you can make it run faster than that guy on that 8 bit platform, blog it
  • [15:32:41] <KotH> lol
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  • [15:32:53] <bradfa> KotH, for sure you will make hackaday
  • [15:33:15] <KotH> bradfa: we are using a 24pin case... i would need to wire up dram and everything onto spi
  • [15:33:33] <bradfa> KotH, SPI SRAM can be had
  • [15:33:47] <bradfa> then you don't need to refresh it
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  • [15:35:17] <bradfa> my pin mux tables print nicely on 11x17" papers
  • [15:35:29] <bradfa> on purpose
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  • [15:37:30] <KotH> bradfa: if you ever stumble over some description how to access BSL from linux, i'd like to hear about it
  • [15:37:43] * KotH needs to unbrick those devices somewhen
  • [15:37:44] <panto> bradfa, we're supposed to make the forbidden pins to work too
  • [15:37:46] <bradfa> KotH, I'll keep you in mind
  • [15:37:49] <panto> but it's tricky
  • [15:38:19] * KotH calls for jihad and goes home
  • [15:38:24] <KotH> cya boys
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  • [15:42:30] <ka6sox> nite KotH
  • [15:43:09] <panto> cya jihad boy
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  • [15:50:46] <ka6sox> morning emeb, prpplague
  • [15:50:53] <panto> hi prpplague
  • [15:51:43] <prpplague> greetings all
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  • [15:52:25] <tsquar3d> prpplague: yo
  • [15:53:03] <emeb> good morning ka6sox
  • [15:53:27] <jj2baile> Goodday all~
  • [15:54:44] <ka6sox> morning jj2baile
  • [15:54:44] <XorA> yo prpplague
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  • [15:55:50] <prpplague> XorA: hey bud
  • [15:55:54] <prpplague> XorA: what's cookin?
  • [15:56:02] <XorA> prpplague: not much, you?
  • [15:56:38] <prpplague> XorA: work work work
  • [15:57:14] <ka6sox> hiya XorA
  • [15:57:28] <ka6sox> LTNS
  • [15:57:33] <XorA> prpplague: same as normal then :-D
  • [15:57:46] <prpplague> indeed
  • [15:58:31] <emeb> Man - BatchPCB getting sold to OSHpark has ripple effects on me...
  • [15:58:59] <emeb> OSHpark doesn't sell 3rd-party designs, so all the boards I was hosting at BatchPCB are no longer available.
  • [15:59:09] <emeb> I'm getting emails from folks asking for gerbers now...
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  • [15:59:51] <ka6sox> :(
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  • [16:00:53] <emeb> Makes me wonder how many of my boards are out "in the wild".
  • [16:01:07] <mru> feral pcbs
  • [16:03:00] <emeb> look out - they haven't had their shots.
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  • [16:18:46] <beagle-user> is BBB watch-dog featured?
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  • [16:21:20] <deadpack> Does the BeagleBone Black support HDMI CEC? I did read in the tech specs that the support is not included in the software (but the hardware supports it?)
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  • [16:27:39] <_av500_> deadpack: CEC is hooked up to the HDMI framer
  • [16:27:47] <_av500_> from there on it's mostly SW
  • [16:33:23] <deadpack> Thanks!! But since I am just starting with BeagleBone (and HDMI) I wanted to know if the default Angstrom OS supports CEC out of the box
  • [16:33:33] <deadpack> Or, do I need to fiddle with it?
  • [16:33:59] <Stefan__> Can anybody explain to me *slowly* :D assuming I've written a dts file to get my pins muxed right, what do I do with it and how do I tie it in with whatever driver I might be writing?
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  • [16:34:20] <panto> deadpack, not supported yet
  • [16:34:31] <panto> you are welcome to hack the crap out of it
  • [16:34:42] <deadpack> :)
  • [16:34:49] <panto> Stefan__, take a look at firmware/capes
  • [16:34:56] <Stefan__> panto: I have
  • [16:34:59] <panto> checkout out the geiger cape
  • [16:35:08] <deadpack> Thanks, panto! Sounds fun!
  • [16:35:08] <panto> and the corresponding geiger driver
  • [16:35:21] <Stefan__> panto: I've not looked at that particular one
  • [16:35:23] <Stefan__> so I will
  • [16:35:23] <Stefan__> :)
  • [16:35:24] <Stefan__> thanks!
  • [16:37:13] <Stefan__> panto: where can I find the geiger driver ?
  • [16:37:42] <panto> drivers/misc/cape/beaglebone
  • [16:38:23] <Stefan__> yes
  • [16:38:24] <Stefan__> found it
  • [16:38:25] <Stefan__> thanks!
  • [16:39:16] <Stefan__> panto: I presume I should put my driver here as well?
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  • [16:40:30] <panto> for now sure
  • [16:40:55] <panto> I haven't given much thought about where community drivers should be
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  • [16:42:20] <Stefan__> panto: ok, can I ask you a more general question :)
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  • [16:42:44] <panto> sure, I hope you like a general answer
  • [16:44:20] <Stefan__> panto: I am writing a driver to communicate with an FPGA board -- it's a char device at the moment, it uses GPMC so I need to do some pin muxing -- what's the best approach to do that?
  • [16:44:28] <Stefan__> also I guess that's not very general :D
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  • [16:44:50] <mdp> GPMC, by definition, is General
  • [16:45:06] <panto> Stefan__, I'm working on gpmc right now
  • [16:45:06] <Stefan__> mdp: lol :D
  • [16:45:26] <JayHiking> Getting started question: booting up my new BBBlack
  • [16:45:30] <Stefan__> panto: ok...?
  • [16:45:30] <panto> you should pull the latest kernel and check out the last commits
  • [16:45:41] <panto> there's a gpmc configuration example there
  • [16:45:44] <mdp> panto, you're forcing me to do so too ;)
  • [16:45:49] <panto> BB-BONE-CAM3
  • [16:45:58] <JayHiking> I've tried the 'USB to PC', can see the file system, cannot load drivers (Windows 2012 Server, probably an unsigned drivers issue)
  • [16:45:59] <panto> mdp, I'm evil
  • [16:46:02] <panto> vendor evil
  • [16:46:20] <Stefan__> panto: I'll have a look, but the thing is I've already have the driver, I am merely making small modifications to it
  • [16:46:24] <_av500_> deadpack: what do you need cec for?
  • [16:46:32] <_av500_> take note that the BBB is not really a media center
  • [16:46:43] <JayHiking> Also tried 'external power + ethernet + HDMI -> DisplayLink -> Monitor configuration, no signal to the monitor
  • [16:47:05] <Stefan__> have a look at it: https://github.com/fpga-logi/Logi-kernel/tree/master/beaglebone/modules/fifo_module
  • [16:47:35] <JayHiking> I see status lights 1 & 3 blinking, but no external monitor signal
  • [16:47:59] <JayHiking> PWR light is solid
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  • [16:49:08] <panto> Stefan__, depends on the driver
  • [16:49:24] <panto> for example if you use any platform data, you'll have to switch to DT bindings
  • [16:49:47] <Stefan__> panto: that's way over my head :) treat me as a newbie pls :)
  • [16:50:20] <panto> new board files are not accepted anymore
  • [16:50:33] <ptan> JayHiking: Windows 2012 Server ??! yeah, you might have unsigned driver issues!
  • [16:50:46] <panto> so instead of having the platform config done in a board file, you'll have to have device tree bindings
  • [16:51:01] <panto> and the drivers must pull their config from there
  • [16:51:38] <Stefan__> panto: by board file you mean the .dts files?
  • [16:51:46] <panto> no
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  • [16:52:05] <panto> how did you configure your driver? by platform data?
  • [16:52:05] <tsquar3d-work> Hey, mdp, just thought I would let you know that my application is finished. I just realized, I never did ask you directly... do you intend on being a mentor for this project?
  • [16:52:24] <panto> then you'd hack the board-am335xevm.c file for the 3.2 kernel version of the bone
  • [16:52:52] <Stefan__> you mean how I configured the GPMC module?
  • [16:52:57] <mranostay> morning friends. family, and family of trolls
  • [16:53:02] <panto> among other things
  • [16:53:09] <panto> hi mr microcode man
  • [16:53:29] <mru> ucode, eeew
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  • [16:54:35] <mranostay> panto: cute
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  • [16:55:06] <Stefan__> panto: Well, as I said I did not write the driver myself, but my understanding is that clock is routed to the GPMC, and then the module reset, and configured via writing the appropriate values to the appropriate registers
  • [16:55:20] <Stefan__> as you can see I am not very competent on the subject :D
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  • [16:58:55] <panto> think of it as a way to get better...
  • [17:00:14] <Stefan__> panto: Yes, that's what keeps me going
  • [17:00:42] <Stefan__> anyway, what would be the way to get the pins muxed correctly?
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  • [17:01:32] <panto> the pinctrl method
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  • [17:01:57] <Stefan__> i.e. via devicetree?
  • [17:02:19] <panto> if you plan to use 3.8 there's no other way
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  • [17:03:18] <CalcMan> what do you all think is the best OS to run on the beagle bone black?
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  • [17:03:30] <mru> depends on what you want to do
  • [17:03:36] <ka6sox> mru +1
  • [17:03:42] <Stefan__> That's what I understood as well. So what are the steps? I've had a look at the geiger-cape source code, and while I understand how the driver and devicetree description connect somewhat, I am still hazy on the details
  • [17:03:53] <mru> in many cases linux is a good choice
  • [17:04:00] <Stefan__> ideally I need like a link or smth to read up on this
  • [17:04:35] <Stefan__> panto: would it be possible to just enable the muxing by default i.e. at boot?
  • [17:04:50] <Stefan__> I understand that is likely to break things, but would be like a first step for me
  • [17:05:08] <Stefan__> while I try to figure out what the best practice is :)
  • [17:05:30] <CalcMan> how does ubuntu differ then anystrom?
  • [17:05:37] <panto> the best practice is DT
  • [17:05:43] <mru> more bloatware
  • [17:05:57] <mru> and more fanboyism
  • [17:05:59] <ka6sox> Angstrom is streamlined for Embedded
  • [17:06:01] <panto> your boot setting will be overwritten by the pinctrl driver
  • [17:06:07] <CalcMan> I want to use some of the socketcan stuff
  • [17:06:41] <panto> Stefan__, all this stuff is pretty new
  • [17:06:53] <panto> this channel is your documentation
  • [17:07:14] <mru> I thought the documentation was on 26-26-54
  • [17:07:17] <Stefan__> panto: so how do I do that? Also, I would like to have to re-write as little as possible from the driver that I have as my supervisor is not too patient at the moment
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  • [17:07:38] <panto> you write your driver
  • [17:07:44] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/43
  • [17:07:54] <panto> there are plenty of examples to copy from
  • [17:07:55] <mru> as I said, it's all on there
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  • [17:08:49] <Stefan__> panto: brrr... sounds like I'm destined to fail :D
  • [17:09:15] <panto> no, you're destined to learn
  • [17:09:18] <panto> enjoy :)
  • [17:09:43] <Stefan__> what's the last kernel version that supports the debugfs way of muxing -- I'd like to try the driver on that (as I have to test the FPGA implementation as well) to see if everything is fine before porting to 3.8?
  • [17:09:53] <mru> an expert is a person who has made every possible mistake in a very narrow field
  • [17:10:25] <mru> don't remember who said it
  • [17:11:28] <Stefan__> I agree guys -- but when somebody tells you that they need you to have done this yesterday when you're working on something new to you and with little knowledge of the platform and are supervised by somebody who has little idea about the challenges of developing things like this -- i feel like i want to shoot people every day
  • [17:11:42] <panto> shoot them
  • [17:11:47] <panto> we're safely away ;)
  • [17:12:05] * mru closes blast doors
  • [17:12:11] <shapr> or get a job where people don't say that
  • [17:12:15] <panto> Stefan__, the latest 3.2 kernel doesn't work on the black
  • [17:12:15] <Stefan__> Lol -- I would not shoot you -- how would I get any answers :D
  • [17:12:24] <Stefan__> panto: I have an old BB
  • [17:12:27] <Stefan__> a white one :)
  • [17:12:31] <mru> you'd make them up yourself
  • [17:12:36] <mru> those are the best answers
  • [17:12:54] <mru> they never contradict known facts
  • [17:13:00] <Stefan__> lol :)
  • [17:13:04] <mranostay> panto: you know there are other x86 people here you can ask for microcode :)
  • [17:13:33] <Stefan__> can you point me to a repo that I can use to build a 3.2 kernel with the debugfs pinmuxing?
  • [17:15:02] <panto> the same repo contains the 3.2 kernels
  • [17:15:28] <panto> koen/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2.34-r18a+gitr720e07b4c1f687b61b147b31c698cb6816d72f01
  • [17:15:30] <panto> enjoy
  • [17:15:48] <Stefan__> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel?
  • [17:15:50] <Stefan__> yes
  • [17:16:22] <JayHiking> Any tips on diagnosing no video out on BBBlack micro HDMI port?
  • [17:16:40] <JayHiking> I have a http connection and Gate One SSH to the board
  • [17:16:55] <JayHiking> But no signal is coming to my external monitor
  • [17:18:19] <Stefan__> panto: can I have that in link format?
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  • [17:18:27] <Stefan__> I am struggling to find it :)
  • [17:19:04] <Stefan__> is this it? https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beaglebone-3.2
  • [17:19:22] <_av500_> yes
  • [17:19:32] <Stefan__> Thank you guys!
  • [17:20:44] <Stefan__> Honestly, if it were not for you, I'd be looking at a completion date for my project around 2020 :D
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  • [17:21:09] <djlewis> so, is the BBB about the ninth version of developed beagleboard progression?
  • [17:21:47] <djlewis> Stefan__: i have lots of begun projects older than that estimate ;)
  • [17:22:03] <mru> djlewis: counting only sold versions?
  • [17:22:26] <djlewis> mru: yep
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  • [17:22:44] <Stefan__> djlewis: But do you have a guy asking you everyday whether they are done, and when you say no, he does not understand what the deal is as it's super easy stuff? :D
  • [17:23:09] <djlewis> ugh... higher ups without a clue...
  • [17:23:36] <djlewis> Stefan__: no i am my own boss in this respect.
  • [17:23:50] <Stefan__> djlewis: The name of the game -- also I am the only guy working on developing the FPGA code, some of the analog circuitry and the sw... fun :)
  • [17:25:29] <djlewis> i'll be flogged and whipped with a big wet cod for this but I have been spending more dev time with arduino's lately for the cost and simplicity ;)
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  • [17:26:16] <mru> djlewis: apropos unfinished projects: http://wondermark.com/tink8/
  • [17:26:21] <djlewis> and the fact that these projects dont need the horsepower of a 32bit arm
  • [17:27:53] <_av500_> djlewis: hi!
  • [17:27:55] <djlewis> mru: i ove it.
  • [17:28:03] <djlewis> _av500_: good morning dude
  • [17:28:14] <_av500_> hows the telescope?
  • [17:28:36] <djlewis> mru: i gotta print this out so my new (female) roomate can see it.
  • [17:28:56] <mru> djlewis: you can buy poster prints of that
  • [17:29:12] <djlewis> mru: cheaper to print it :)
  • [17:29:21] <_av500_> and you get to tinker with the printer
  • [17:29:30] <mru> come on, they guy deserves the support
  • [17:29:40] <mru> -y
  • [17:29:55] * mru has a few of his t-shirts
  • [17:30:01] <djlewis> _av500_: both the 12.5" newt and the 18" dob have not seen many photons of late.
  • [17:30:05] <_av500_> see, his is supported
  • [17:30:10] <_av500_> djlewis: http://www.astroanarchy.blogspot.de/
  • [17:30:15] <_av500_> djlewis: know this one?
  • [17:30:40] <_av500_> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GfFeY4_D4Uk/UF8-gJ5k1kI/AAAAAAAAHSA/1oX8GEjcg2E/s1600/Skope1.jpg
  • [17:31:13] <djlewis> mru: well then, i'll just send her the link :)
  • [17:31:50] <djlewis> _av500_: now that looks like a well used imaging scope.
  • [17:34:06] <wmat> weee, two more BBB's arrived today
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  • [17:35:54] <crashovrd> mmm BBQ
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  • [17:47:10] <_av500_> gee, lazer man still exists
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  • [17:52:31] <shapr> Does anyone know if the TPS65217 on the BeagleBone Black will handle a single cell LiPo for charging and discharging?
  • [17:53:47] <bradfa> shapr, yes, it will, if you populate the "test points" that break out the PMIC pins for doing so
  • [17:54:26] <bradfa> shapr, so long as by "discharging" you mean running the board
  • [17:54:33] <shapr> right, that
  • [17:54:37] <bradfa> and not like you want to drive the battery into a load tester or something
  • [17:54:48] <shapr> And that chip will also handle charging?
  • [17:54:56] <bradfa> just use a 10k ohm resistor if your pack of choice doesn't have an NTC
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  • [17:55:05] <bradfa> shapr, yes it'll charge
  • [17:55:13] <bradfa> default charge rate, I believe, is 400 mA
  • [17:55:28] <bradfa> see data sheet for details
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  • [17:55:37] <shapr> the chip datasheet, or the beaglebone black?
  • [17:55:43] <bradfa> tps65217 data sheet
  • [17:55:45] <_av500_> TPS
  • [17:55:47] <shapr> ok, thanks!
  • [17:55:52] * shapr bounces cheerfully
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  • [17:56:12] <bradfa> shapr, for reference, I run Ultralife UBP002 batteries on my bones (white, but same PMIC other than firmware inside)
  • [17:56:28] <bradfa> http://ultralifecorporation.com/be-commercial/products/rechargeable/ubp002/
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  • [17:58:05] <shapr> bradfa: Thanks, I'll read up on the TPS chip
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  • [18:03:13] <Farnarkle> I think I have the answer - but just to confirm.... Unlike the earlier Beaglebone, one cannot talk to the Beaglebone Black throuh a serial terminal over the USB cable used to power the bone.
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  • [18:03:33] <Rushikesh> hello
  • [18:03:55] <bradfa> Farnarkle, not without some fancy console twiddling, correct
  • [18:04:04] <Rushikesh> I need feedback about one project
  • [18:04:17] <mru> but there's an easily accessible _real_ serial console
  • [18:04:21] <mru> huge improvement
  • [18:04:27] <Farnarkle> OK - got in there using PuTTY and the default USB ethernet address.
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  • [18:05:33] <_av500_> that or an FTDI USB cable
  • [18:05:37] <Farnarkle> Just making sure I read,and understood correctly - and hadn't broken something
  • [18:05:41] <_av500_> on the 6 pin header
  • [18:06:00] <mru> _av500_: shouldn't a regular 3.3V level shifter work?
  • [18:06:13] <mru> like a MAX2323
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  • [18:06:18] <Farnarkle> Wondered what the new header was but hadn't got that far in the docs.
  • [18:06:30] <_av500_> mru: sure, if you have a regular serial port
  • [18:06:30] <agmlego> mru: Sure, if you wanted to go to an RS232 port.
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  • [18:06:39] <mru> and obviously that should be max3232
  • [18:06:57] <Dalek_> Hey, does anyone have any links/examples of using the PWM in Java?
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  • [18:07:13] <_av500_> woglinde: ^^^
  • [18:07:26] <woglinde> he av500
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  • [18:07:34] <woglinde> whats up?
  • [18:07:37] <_av500_> somebody said us the j word
  • [18:07:42] <woglinde> I can not see whats above your marks
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  • [18:07:52] <_av500_> 20:06 < Dalek_ > Hey, does anyone have any links/examples of using the PWM in Java?
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  • [18:07:54] <mru> no jazelle on the bone...
  • [18:07:56] <woglinde> av500 opencv
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  • [18:08:11] <_av500_> woglinde: your irc is on a typewriter?
  • [18:08:21] <woglinde> mru you mean thumbee
  • [18:08:31] <woglinde> av500 yes
  • [18:08:38] <woglinde> pidgeon protokoll
  • [18:08:39] <Dalek_> good to know, any suggestions on a server library in c++ then?
  • [18:08:39] <mru> no, I mean jazelle, and the bone hasn't any
  • [18:08:50] <mru> woglinde: thumbee is also deprecated btw
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  • [18:08:59] <woglinde> mru what is it now?
  • [18:09:06] <_av500_> dalvik
  • [18:09:11] <woglinde> hehe
  • [18:09:14] <woglinde> nice try
  • [18:09:17] <mru> yes, pretty much
  • [18:09:20] <_av500_> works on my phone
  • [18:09:31] <mru> no, but jit compilers are the new way
  • [18:09:40] <woglinde> dalvik has thumbee support
  • [18:09:41] <woglinde> hm
  • [18:09:45] <woglinde> doubt that
  • [18:09:54] <mru> doubt what?
  • [18:09:56] * _av500_ dont
  • [18:10:06] <mru> accelerating bytecode execution in hw was a dead end
  • [18:10:07] <woglinde> mru like itanium?
  • [18:10:12] <_av500_> Dalek_: on whatr hw?
  • [18:10:26] <woglinde> mru thumbee support for dalvik
  • [18:10:35] <Dalek_> i got the beagleboard black coming tomorrow
  • [18:10:39] <_av500_> ic
  • [18:10:42] <shapr> Dalek_: it's awesome!
  • [18:10:55] <woglinde> hm pwm in java only via sysfs
  • [18:11:02] <woglinde> or jni
  • [18:11:03] <shapr> Dalek_: https://plus.google.com/111055028010401074243/posts/LDLHVj12cq3
  • [18:11:17] <Dalek_> I want to control to simple-h motor controlers (requires pwms) via a serverlet and android tablet
  • [18:11:27] <Farnarkle> Don't get caught out chasing you tail like I have for the last 1/2 day - connection through a console is done differently now
  • [18:11:35] <shapr> Dalek_: If nothing else you can get the PRUs to do that for you
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  • [18:11:47] <woglinde> ieehks android
  • [18:11:50] <shapr> Farnarkle: ssh -XC ? What are you using?
  • [18:12:00] <woglinde> you need ndk
  • [18:12:39] <Farnarkle> I kept trying to use the old method by pointing a terminal program (like hyperterminal) at the detected serial port)
  • [18:12:53] <Dalek_> shapr: let me look up PRU, I am new to robotics
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  • [18:13:26] <Farnarkle> Using PuTTY now to the USB/Ethernet adapter address that the bone comes up on (192.168.7.2)
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  • [18:13:33] <_av500_> you dont need PRU for PWN
  • [18:13:45] <_av500_> PWM
  • [18:13:59] <_av500_> Farnarkle: was there one detected?
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  • [18:14:31] <Rushikesh> hi av500
  • [18:14:33] <woglinde> hm rpi has opened the door for bbb
  • [18:14:40] <shapr> On the good side, "ssh -l root beaglebone.local" should work.
  • [18:14:42] <shapr> woglinde: I agree
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  • [18:15:10] <Rushikesh> hi shapr
  • [18:15:33] <Dalek_> shapr: I looked at the google plus link but I don't see any examples/info on the PWMS
  • [18:15:34] <prpplague> woglinde: funny, i look at as beagleboard opened the door for RPi and the BBB is simply opening another door
  • [18:15:44] <shapr> hi Rushikesh
  • [18:15:45] <KotH> panto: http://www.theonion.com/articles/historians-admit-to-inventing-ancient-greeks,18209/?ref=auto
  • [18:15:50] <woglinde> shapr and I really wondered who will buy a bbb after getting a beagle and classic bone
  • [18:15:54] <KotH> panto: i knew it! you are all fake!
  • [18:15:59] <crashovrd> i disagree with that statement. TI did not make their $5.00 arm SoC because of RPi
  • [18:16:07] <_av500_> KotH: the debt is real
  • [18:16:23] <crashovrd> they made it in response to the sharp decline in prices and competition form other SoC makers
  • [18:16:27] <_av500_> TI made $5 ARM SoC since long
  • [18:16:30] <woglinde> prpplague hm hm the price opened the door the rpi
  • [18:16:35] <Farnarkle> I looked @ RPi but went against it due to the restrictions on the Broadcom datasheets
  • [18:16:52] <_av500_> $5 means nothing unless you scope out what it does
  • [18:16:55] <mru> you have to see the rpi for what it is:
  • [18:16:55] <bradfa> The $5 am335x runs at 275 MHz and has no PRU or 3d
  • [18:16:59] <mru> 1) a broadcom device
  • [18:17:05] <Rushikesh> i need your feedback about one project will you please read my abstract in private chat
  • [18:17:06] <mru> 2) a media player
  • [18:17:15] <bradfa> RasPi is a GPU with an ARM11 kludged on the side
  • [18:17:24] <shapr> I like BOTH kinds of microcontrollers, ARM and AVR!
  • [18:17:25] <_av500_> Rushikesh: I dont read anything in private chat
  • [18:17:32] <woglinde> na not agin what rpi we all know it
  • [18:17:36] <woglinde> +is
  • [18:17:46] <_av500_> woglinde: once per day
  • [18:17:52] <woglinde> av500 okay
  • [18:17:55] <_av500_> we all have text macros prepared
  • [18:17:57] <woglinde> primetime
  • [18:18:20] <mdp> 3) a cruel joke
  • [18:18:21] <Rushikesh> ok then let me explain it here
  • [18:18:41] <bradfa> Rushikesh, is this for gsoc?
  • [18:19:02] <Rushikesh> yup yup
  • [18:19:07] <panto> KotH, you wish
  • [18:19:12] <bradfa> Have you tried #beagle-gsoc?
  • [18:19:18] <woglinde> Rushikesh subscribed to gsoc mailinglist?
  • [18:19:22] <_av500_> or the mailing list?
  • [18:19:28] <woglinde> good
  • [18:19:33] <Rushikesh> no :(
  • [18:19:34] <bradfa> bad
  • [18:19:36] <Rushikesh> I am new here
  • [18:19:39] <bradfa> that's ok
  • [18:19:43] <Dalek_> av500_: is PRU the same as GPIO?
  • [18:19:44] <bradfa> /join #beagle-gsoc
  • [18:19:56] <agmlego> Dalek_: No.
  • [18:19:58] <woglinde> dalek no
  • [18:19:59] <Rushikesh> Okssss
  • [18:20:15] <bradfa> and don't ask to ask
  • [18:20:17] <bradfa> just ask
  • [18:20:27] <woglinde> yes ask bradfa only
  • [18:20:31] <bradfa> :P
  • [18:20:31] <agmlego> shapr, woglinde: I bought a Black after buying an xM and a classic bone.
  • [18:20:38] <Farnarkle> I've got Microchip dsPIC, Cypress PSoC, and ARM stuff
  • [18:20:47] <Rushikesh> thanks
  • [18:20:53] <woglinde> agmlego your money
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  • [18:20:56] <agmlego> And I also have a small pile of Pis.
  • [18:21:05] <mdp> bradfa, anybody here?
  • [18:21:06] <agmlego> woglinde: No, my applications.
  • [18:21:13] <bradfa> mdp, _av500_ is!
  • [18:21:20] <woglinde> gm mdp
  • [18:21:32] * mdp blinks
  • [18:21:38] <Farnarkle> anybody just left
  • [18:21:43] <mdp> afternoon woglinde ;)
  • [18:21:57] <mdp> or evening
  • [18:22:02] * bradfa wishes he could work from home and take naps mid-day like mdp
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  • [18:22:12] <agmlego> woglinde: Neither the xM nor the classic bone had the right mxi of processing power and IO.
  • [18:22:15] * mdp feels busted
  • [18:22:24] <woglinde> bradfa search a new job
  • [18:22:30] <bradfa> shhh!
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  • [18:22:53] <bradfa> woglinde, if I do, I'll be more secretive about it than mranostay
  • [18:22:55] <woglinde> one you can do from home
  • [18:23:01] <mdp> I even found bradfa the right desk for napping
  • [18:23:11] <bradfa> +1
  • [18:23:32] <woglinde> amlego oka<
  • [18:23:35] <bradfa> ok, back to writing documentation :(
  • [18:23:46] <woglinde> documentation is good
  • [18:23:58] <mdp> bradfa, for the windows developers?
  • [18:24:04] <bradfa> sort of
  • [18:24:12] <bradfa> teaching a transmit only thing how to receive
  • [18:24:17] <shodan45> woohooo just got my bbb :D
  • [18:24:24] <mdp> maximum exact steps, engage!
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  • [18:29:49] <shapr> bradfa: Work from home gets really lonely after the first few months
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  • [18:30:08] <mru> shapr: depends on how literally you take it
  • [18:30:18] <mru> both the 'work' and the 'home' part
  • [18:30:21] <bradfa> shapr, I'm not worried about that, I have imaginary friends
  • [18:30:31] <shapr> Last time I did it ,there wasn't a coffee shop nearby
  • [18:30:33] <bradfa> and the Internets
  • [18:30:35] <shapr> bradfa: haha
  • [18:30:38] <mru> if you substitute 'drink' and 'pub' it works out nicely
  • [18:30:54] <bradfa> we have 2 coworking places in town, I assume I'd visit there when I get lonely
  • [18:31:03] <bradfa> then I'd get fed up with the hipsters and go home and be happy
  • [18:31:09] <bradfa> and alone
  • [18:31:15] <shapr> heh, a coworking place just started up here, looks pretty neat actually.
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  • [18:33:56] <Dalek_> shapr: you suggested the the PRU (processing unit? )can be used instead of pwm, can you elaborate? Would that use a lot of resources?
  • [18:34:06] <shapr> No, it's the other way around
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  • [18:34:56] <shapr> Dalek_: The PRUs are "Programmable Real Time Units" and they're designed to handle simple real-time tasks.
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  • [18:37:19] <Dalek_> shapr: Thanks, when I searched PRU, I didn't find that acronym....I will read up on it :)
  • [18:37:27] <shapr> sure, tell me what you find!
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  • [18:37:43] <woglinde> re
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  • [18:43:51] <mdp> Proper Runtime Userspace
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  • [18:48:18] <_av500_> Pi Raspberry's Uncle
  • [18:48:35] <woglinde> lol
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  • [18:49:21] <mdp> and that got me to Monkey's Uncle..and of course, to bootloader writing monkeys
  • [18:49:57] <bradfa> a million monkeys each banging on a million keyboards will eventually write the Linux kernel
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  • [18:50:06] <_av500_> a boot loader
  • [18:50:22] <mru> a million monkeys banging a million _bits_
  • [18:50:40] <mru> _av500_: for boot loader, scratch 'eventually'
  • [18:50:47] <_av500_> right
  • [18:51:14] <mdp> poo flinging monkeys
  • [18:51:41] <bradfa> ewww, there's poo in my bootloader
  • [18:52:08] <_av500_> u-poo
  • [18:52:20] <ka6sox> u-no-poo!
  • [18:52:25] <ka6sox> (too late)
  • [18:52:27] <_av500_> y-u-poo?
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  • [18:53:02] <mdp> bradfa, there's a lot of truthiness to that ;)
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  • [18:53:19] <bradfa> mdp, I'm evidence to the truthiness!
  • [18:53:20] <bradfa> :)
  • [18:53:54] <Farnarkle> @bradfa ... Better than it being in your boot
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  • [18:54:51] * mdp imagines bradfa's boat loaded with poo
  • [18:55:44] <mru> this channel has reached a new low mark
  • [18:55:49] <_av500_> http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/110991668766#ht_6104wt_1143
  • [18:56:00] <Farnarkle> Thx :D
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  • [18:56:18] <mru> is that some kind of dildo?
  • [18:56:22] <_av500_> mru: I blame all the rpi kids flooding in here
  • [18:56:24] <cmicali> apparently that prevents chilblain
  • [18:56:25] <mdp> hehe
  • [18:56:25] <cmicali> whatever that is
  • [18:56:43] <_av500_> its a hand warmer dammit
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  • [18:57:00] <mdp> right
  • [18:57:08] <mru> _av500_: then why won't they ship it to nigeria?
  • [18:57:17] <mdp> let's agree that it's a multipurpose device
  • [18:57:20] <Farnarkle> Here's something... http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO?tag=duckduckgo-d-20
  • [18:57:28] <_av500_> mru: because its warm already in nigeria
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  • [18:57:50] <cmicali> Note: Includes pump.
  • [18:58:06] <Dalek_> shapr: ok I found some examples of using the PRU instead of PWM, but they gloss over which pins can be used, or can any of the 46 pins be used?
  • [18:58:18] <Farnarkle> Amazon oddities is ... odd
  • [18:58:38] <djlewis> yep, looks like the two go together.
  • [18:58:52] <djlewis> And this was once the family channel.
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  • [19:00:11] <mdp> djlewis, indeed, but at least we are happily off-topic as usual
  • [19:00:26] <chupacabra> wheee
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  • [19:00:51] <tsquar3d> Hey, mdp, just thought I would let you know that my application is finished. I just realized, I never did ask you directly... do you intend on being a mentor for this project?
  • [19:01:09] <Farnarkle> What do people do when wanting a LAMP server on a Beaglebone
  • [19:01:13] <woglinde> he djlewis long time not seen
  • [19:01:21] <_av500_> Farnarkle: install BULB?
  • [19:01:22] <woglinde> install php
  • [19:01:33] <_av500_> using SOCKET
  • [19:01:40] <chupacabra> lol
  • [19:01:47] <_av500_> these days, you can be sure there is a project by that name
  • [19:02:10] <Farnarkle> ROFL @ av500
  • [19:02:30] <mru> some lamps have binary bulbs
  • [19:02:40] <Farnarkle> Most do
  • [19:02:56] <Farnarkle> The tricky ones hace analogues controls
  • [19:03:21] <Farnarkle> Looking @ other linux dustros
  • [19:03:32] <_av500_> https://github.com/willcosgrove/bulb
  • [19:03:52] <mdp> tsquar3d, tbh, I was trying to stick to PRU proposal stuff..but I can be co-mentor on the IIO/sigrok portion of it if you can get somebody else on board to help
  • [19:04:20] <Farnarkle> gem <- means its a rails server?
  • [19:04:42] <djlewis> woglinde: hi amigo..
  • [19:04:45] <Farnarkle> Bulb that is
  • [19:05:52] <_av500_> never hurt to have some RAILS
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  • [19:06:07] <Farnarkle> Don't have time to learn yet another lang
  • [19:06:17] <tsquar3d> mdp, okay. Well, I can ask ds2 what their plans are...
  • [19:06:28] <Farnarkle> Need something next week - no pressure :)
  • [19:06:29] <mdp> can python travel by rails?
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  • [19:06:54] <Farnarkle> Snakes on a train?
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  • [19:07:16] <_av500_> Farnarkle: for next week I would try the PLAGIATE framework
  • [19:07:31] <Farnarkle> Never heard of that one
  • [19:07:32] <woglinde> av500 haha
  • [19:07:59] <_av500_> Farnarkle: yeah, me neither ... I swear
  • [19:08:19] <alan_o> _av500_: PLAGIARIZE framework?
  • [19:08:35] <mru> PLAGUE framework
  • [19:08:41] <alan_o> +1
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  • [19:08:51] <Farnarkle> Probably going to use python to pull files over FTP and process them into mysql, then use "nubuilder" to create the data access pages
  • [19:08:55] <mru> one work to frame them all
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  • [19:09:30] <_av500_> alan_o: installed NITPICK?
  • [19:09:46] <woglinde> hi alan_o
  • [19:10:05] <alan_o> hi woglinde
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  • [19:14:02] <alan_o> _av500_: you know... to tell the truth, I didn't know plagiate was a form of (or related or whatever it's called) plagiarize. I also should have read more context in the log. Wasn't trying to nitpick. I say all this because the last thing I want to do is be the jerk who nitpicks the English of non-native speakers.
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  • [19:14:59] <Farnarkle> ifconfig
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  • [19:16:12] <mru> eeew
  • [19:17:05] <Farnarkle> Commands hurt your eyes?
  • [19:17:17] <_av500_> alan_o: its not a form
  • [19:17:27] <_av500_> I made it up from the german Plagiat
  • [19:17:28] <Farnarkle> Better be careful what I put in the wrong scree!
  • [19:17:59] <mru> ifconfig is weird and primitive
  • [19:18:08] <mru> 'ip' from the iproute2 package is much nicer
  • [19:18:08] <Farnarkle> Thx :)
  • [19:18:27] <Farnarkle> I like wierd and primitive
  • [19:18:40] <Farnarkle> weird even
  • [19:18:45] <djlewis> something already stuck in memory
  • [19:18:55] <alan_o> mru: what's actually nicer about it from a user perspective? I know it's built on newer system calls, but I find the syntax of ip horrible.
  • [19:19:05] <alan_o> seems like maybe we've had this conversation before
  • [19:19:11] <mru> the syntax of ip is _logical_
  • [19:19:21] <mru> it maps directly what you're actually doing
  • [19:19:21] <_av500_> to vulcans
  • [19:19:22] <djlewis> uvjed
  • [19:19:32] <alan_o> yes, we have had this conversation before.....
  • [19:19:34] <mru> also, it can do things ifconfig can't
  • [19:19:43] <alan_o> that last part is true
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  • [19:19:57] <_av500_> so can vi
  • [19:19:59] <mru> most obvious one: assing multiple addresses to an interface
  • [19:20:04] <Farnarkle> ifconfig gave exactly what I was after - but I have to admit - ipconfig would be a more sensible command
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  • [19:20:21] <alan_o> Farnarkle: if you're on windows :)
  • [19:20:37] <_av500_> ipconfig /all
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  • [19:21:05] <Farnarkle> Well, unfortunatly thats what I am used to - even if windows 7 p****ses me off every hour
  • [19:22:08] <mru> the _name_ ifconfig is reasonably logical
  • [19:22:15] <mru> after all, it configures and interface
  • [19:22:17] <mru> *an
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  • [19:22:43] <Farnarkle> but I was after the IP - so that was more logical at the time
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  • [19:25:43] <mdp> prpplague, have you reviewed hatguy_ 's gsoc energia proposal?
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  • [19:26:12] <ka6sox> spibywire only
  • [19:26:38] <ka6sox> we can program an arduino or a Pi I suppose...
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  • [19:27:34] <mrpackethead> -.-. --.-)
  • [19:27:37] <mrpackethead> -.-. --.-
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  • [19:27:59] <ka6sox> channel 2?
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  • [19:28:17] <djlewis> --.- ... ..-.
  • [19:28:45] <ka6sox> bradfa, I'm wrong...its available...on the TP connectors
  • [19:29:03] * ka6sox programmes the PRUs to send Morse Code...
  • [19:29:24] <djlewis> finally! a useful purpose for the pru.
  • [19:30:19] <mrpackethead> ahh
  • [19:30:54] <alan_o> mrpackethead: got it?
  • [19:30:56] <bradfa> ka6sox, jtag, on msp430 lunchbox, on toilet paper connectors?
  • [19:30:57] <alan_o> I can't find that one
  • [19:31:09] <bradfa> gahh! cross channel conversations! :)
  • [19:31:29] <mdp> switching to secure channel ... now!
  • [19:31:38] <alan_o> mdp: ready room?
  • [19:32:03] <mdp> alan_o, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnJpF_WvUk
  • [19:33:38] <alan_o> mdp: should have been https:// :)
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  • [19:45:20] <tsquar3d> alan_o, have you seen my proposal, by chance?
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  • [19:58:48] <alan_o> tsquar3d: no. Which one are you again?
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  • [19:59:11] <tsquar3d> The data collection / analysis module.
  • [19:59:24] <tsquar3d> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1
  • [19:59:25] <tsquar3d> alan_o,
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  • [20:05:59] <alan_o> tsquar3d: interesting
  • [20:06:09] <biot> tsquar3d: for the record, I'd love to see an IIO driver for sigrok
  • [20:06:18] <tsquar3d> Anything you might be interested in co-mentoring?
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  • [20:07:59] <alan_o> I've never used sigrok, so I may not be of as much help as you think, but I suppose so. Let me check the mentoring page.....
  • [20:08:54] <tsquar3d> Well, what I think I need most is general support.
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  • [20:09:03] <alan_o> mdp: I thought interns were to make it so I had _less_ work to do :)
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  • [20:09:18] <alan_o> tsquar3d: ok, cool. Do I have to generate paperwork for this?
  • [20:09:35] <tsquar3d> mdp and ds2 are both interested, but they have other primary focuses.
  • [20:09:53] <alan_o> and they told you I don't have a job? ;)
  • [20:09:57] <tsquar3d> alan_o, Err... not on my account, but I cant tell you what the gsoc requirements are.
  • [20:10:02] <koen> I can help out with mentoring as well
  • [20:10:20] <tsquar3d> koen, you would be interested in helping mentor my project?
  • [20:10:25] <koen> alan_o: you give your name and address to google, they send you a tshirt at the end
  • [20:10:29] <koen> alan_o: that's about it
  • [20:10:31] <koen> tsquar3d: yes
  • [20:10:46] <tsquar3d> Okay... cool... so I now have 4 partial mentors... lol
  • [20:11:11] <koen> I feel old
  • [20:11:18] <koen> 7 years ago I was a gsoc student
  • [20:11:38] * koen waits for mranostay to make a bald joke
  • [20:11:41] <mru> youngster!
  • [20:11:48] <alan_o> koen: I think there wasn't gsoc when I graduated.
  • [20:11:55] <tsquar3d> No comment.
  • [20:11:59] <alan_o> koen: there was altavista summer of code
  • [20:12:03] <alan_o> and we liked it!
  • [20:12:05] <koen> lycos!
  • [20:12:18] <tsquar3d> The Netscape summer of code.
  • [20:12:20] <mru> webcrawler ftw
  • [20:12:36] <koen> summer of code 2.0 Gold
  • [20:12:39] <koen> with builtin editor
  • [20:12:50] <alan_o> archie summer of code?
  • [20:13:02] <tsquar3d> So, do I need a dedicated mentor or are 4 co-mentors good enough>
  • [20:13:02] <tsquar3d> ?
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  • [20:13:25] <koen> when I started uni one of the dorms had a question in their interview
  • [20:13:54] <koen> "which unstable linux kernel version had the dreaded ext2 bug?"
  • [20:14:06] <koen> you would get rejected if you knew the answer
  • [20:14:22] <koen> (2.1.111 in case you're wondering)
  • [20:14:38] <mru> I've seen many data-eating bugs in linux
  • [20:15:20] <koen> yes
  • [20:15:24] <alan_o> koen: Those dorm "gatekeepers" are no doubt selling paper now.
  • [20:15:39] <koen> nfs-on-xfs was a goodie
  • [20:15:49] <koen> alan_o: mechanical engineers
  • [20:16:07] <mru> nfs-on-xfs still doesn't work reliably
  • [20:16:26] <alan_o> koen: ok, they're _pushing_ paper now :)
  • [20:16:36] <mru> if the client is an architecture that starts with A, it occasionally fails to notice updates
  • [20:16:42] <mru> arm, avr32, etc
  • [20:16:43] <tsquar3d> Okay co-mentors, koen, alan_o, ds2, mdp -- if you have any feedback on my proposal, please feel free to lay it on me.
  • [20:16:54] <mru> ok, the A bit is surely coincidental
  • [20:17:31] * koen tries to recall the ground rules of ME
  • [20:17:40] <koen> you can't push on a rope, unless it's frozen
  • [20:17:49] <koen> when in doubt make it stout out of things you know about
  • [20:17:54] <koen> and a third one
  • [20:18:04] <koen> Crofton|work will know it
  • [20:18:25] <koen> anyway, afk now
  • [20:18:48] <tsquar3d> o/ koen
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  • [20:20:52] <alan_o> This GSOC mentor Terms of Service is insane
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  • [20:21:34] <tsquar3d> alan_o, just scroll to the bottom and press *accept*
  • [20:23:34] <mrpackethead> what makes it insane?
  • [20:24:00] <alan_o> I love how the birthdate field calendar widget has a shortcut button for "today"
  • [20:24:40] <alan_o> mrpackethead: It's a lot of "legal obligation" for a volunteer
  • [20:24:43] <tsquar3d> alan_o, They do not want to descriminate.
  • [20:24:52] <mrpackethead> ahh
  • [20:25:05] <tsquar3d> legal obligation? For what?
  • [20:25:23] <alan_o> I'm apparently legally obligated to provide ideas and feedback and etc etc...
  • [20:25:28] <alan_o> so they could sue me I guess.
  • [20:26:08] <tsquar3d> Well, if you are my mentor, I promise I wont be demanding.
  • [20:26:13] <alan_o> hehe
  • [20:26:51] <tsquar3d> alan_o, Seriously, I have been doing an MPhil for the last two years and I am not sure my director of studies even knows what I am doing here.
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  • [20:33:48] <mirceag> hey guys, i'm interested in some of of the gsoc projects
  • [20:33:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> how many ticks does lbbo take for pru data ram?
  • [20:34:00] <mirceag> anybody care to guide me?
  • [20:34:48] <mranostay> jkridner|work:ping
  • [20:35:07] <_av500_> alan_o: we got a GSOC for you to mentor
  • [20:35:07] <mranostay> so we vote on the propsals using Melange right?
  • [20:35:08] <mirceag> to be more specific, I find the two android related projects and the sysfs one interesting
  • [20:35:34] <mranostay> should alan_o be a student? :)
  • [20:35:48] <alan_o> mranostay: the money is certainly better that way :)
  • [20:36:10] <mranostay> $5000 for 3 months of work?
  • [20:36:33] <alan_o> as opposed to $0 for 3 months of work as a hobbyist OSS hacker.
  • [20:36:45] <tsquar3d> alan_o, Dont do it... then I will only be down to 3 co-mentors.
  • [20:36:56] <mranostay> yes but know does hobbyist hacking as a full tiem job
  • [20:37:03] <_av500_> alan_o: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/praveenkumarvangala/1
  • [20:37:09] <_av500_> a gun fire detector
  • [20:37:13] <ka6sox> mirceag, ask specific questions
  • [20:37:19] <tsquar3d> mranostay, did you think anything of my proposal?
  • [20:37:45] <alan_o> tsquar3d: I'm not complaining... just bantering with mranostay (I can't let him be right....) anyway, I did register as a mentor, so I'm not sure if you can or are supposed to look me up through that system or what.
  • [20:38:07] <mranostay> alan_o: you are always wrong anyway
  • [20:38:11] <tsquar3d> alan_o, was kidding. lol
  • [20:38:31] <mirceag> well, my first ideea was to do some work related to socketcan
  • [20:38:46] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> _av500_: why does he mention EM waves? do bullets make em?!
  • [20:38:49] <mirceag> do you know something about it?
  • [20:38:52] <mranostay> panto: how are those export controlled low-pan modules? :)
  • [20:39:00] <alan_o> _av500_: death by powerpoint?
  • [20:39:01] <tsquar3d> alan_o, it does not let you list mentors in the application.
  • [20:39:04] <_av500_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: what do I know
  • [20:39:12] <_av500_> alan_o: read on
  • [20:39:18] <_av500_> its two projects in one
  • [20:39:38] <alan_o> _av500_: I know :)
  • [20:39:39] <_av500_> I like the exact schedule best
  • [20:41:10] <alan_o> is this a real thing?
  • [20:41:25] <alan_o> EMP from a handgun recoil?
  • [20:41:38] <alan_o> detectable as a handgun recoil?
  • [20:42:06] <_av500_> alan_o: what do I know
  • [20:42:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> every gunfire detection system i've heard about uses sound. :-\
  • [20:42:30] <_av500_> I guess it means TV reception is pretty bad in downtown LA
  • [20:42:41] <_av500_> with all the shooting going on
  • [20:42:56] <ka6sox> _av500_, the multipath is HORRIBLE....
  • [20:42:59] <alan_o> That's why we use interlaced in the US.
  • [20:43:00] <ka6sox> all the buildings
  • [20:43:09] <_av500_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: sound or acceleromenters
  • [20:43:10] <panto> heh
  • [20:43:17] <_av500_> -n
  • [20:43:30] <ka6sox> I like romentors...
  • [20:43:44] <_av500_> tormentors
  • [20:43:49] <_av500_> and trollmentos
  • [20:44:02] <ka6sox> _av500_, sssh...you will scare the Students...
  • [20:44:11] <_av500_> part of my plan
  • [20:44:22] <_av500_> then I can enroll my kids in gsoc and earn all the moneys
  • [20:45:06] <alan_o> 3. profit!!
  • [20:45:06] <ka6sox> can I enroll my 11yr old...he knows JS and Nodey things...
  • [20:45:26] <alan_o> he'll compete with jkridner for the gsoc monies!!
  • [20:45:47] <djlewis> so lots of guns in LA means they have a secreat communications system going on?
  • [20:46:04] <djlewis> -a
  • [20:46:11] <alan_o> djlewis: morse over gunfire?
  • [20:46:12] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:46:17] <ka6sox> djlewis, updated smoke signals...
  • [20:46:20] <_av500_> 3 long shots, 3 short ones
  • [20:46:40] <alan_o> then you have to go and pick up your arrows
  • [20:46:42] <djlewis> we will have to keep the big magazines then
  • [20:46:46] <djlewis> longer messages
  • [20:47:00] <_av500_> djlewis: learn to say it in 140 shots
  • [20:47:18] <ka6sox> we digress...
  • [20:47:18] <tsquar3d> alan_o, So... yeah... there doesnt seem to be a way to identify mentors... I suppose I could just put it in my application.
  • [20:47:21] <djlewis> never leave a chamber empty
  • [20:47:31] <alan_o> pad with zeroes
  • [20:47:34] <ka6sox> djlewis, thats the motto of the LAPD
  • [20:47:39] <_av500_> alan_o: blanks
  • [20:48:08] <djlewis> one needs a shot for onesself for when the zombies come in force
  • [20:48:37] <alan_o> tsquar3d: beats me
  • [20:49:03] <_av500_> tsquar3d: as a student you cannot assign a mentor in melange
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  • [20:49:14] <_av500_> mentors can click "i want to mentor"
  • [20:49:24] <tsquar3d> Aha... I see.
  • [20:49:24] <_av500_> so you are back to beggin' and bribin'
  • [20:49:46] <tsquar3d> _av500_, Me? Nope. Got it all lined up I think.
  • [20:49:57] <_av500_> good
  • [20:50:19] <tsquar3d> alan_o, So... there is that, I suppose!
  • [20:50:26] <ptan> How many students participate in Gsoc?
  • [20:50:32] <_av500_> in total?
  • [20:50:34] <_av500_> google it
  • [20:50:38] <_av500_> its all public
  • [20:50:44] <ptan> lol... good answer
  • [20:51:39] <ptan> 1212 students last year (I assume one student per project)..
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  • [20:52:33] <tsquar3d> _av500_, I wish I had money for bribes.
  • [20:53:14] <ka6sox> tsquar3d, we do too :P
  • [20:53:28] <tsquar3d> Why.. are you all for sale?
  • [20:53:53] <woglinde> lol
  • [20:53:56] <djlewis> we run specials throu the week
  • [20:54:04] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ugh, why aren't there instruction cycle numbers for lbbo and sbbo in the pru documentation?
  • [20:54:29] <_av500_> ptan: no
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  • [20:54:35] <_av500_> well, yes
  • [20:54:43] <_av500_> on per project, several per org
  • [20:55:09] <woglinde> gn
  • [20:55:13] <tsquar3d> 2 for 1?
  • [20:55:16] <ptan> one per project, Wikipedia stated that there were 1212 accepted projects in 2012
  • [20:55:26] <tsquar3d> Can I buy you all in bulk?
  • [20:55:44] <ptan> tsquar3d: no bulk discount though ;)
  • [20:56:01] <tsquar3d> What?! What is the point?
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  • [20:57:34] <djlewis> send good beer, the prices become negotiable
  • [20:59:28] <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, isn't everything 1 cycle?
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  • [21:05:06] <tsquar3d> Whew... so it looks like we have to wait until may 24 to know which applications are chosen.
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  • [21:07:05] <mranostay> tsquar3d: everyone is for sale
  • [21:07:12] <mranostay> price range varies
  • [21:07:31] <alan_o> mranostay: so in #beagle who would you pay the most for?
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  • [21:07:47] <mranostay> ka6sox: damn jkridner|work for forgeting the PST people :)
  • [21:08:13] <tsquar3d> I would pay the most for jkridner.
  • [21:08:21] <tsquar3d> ... of course.
  • [21:08:29] <mranostay> how did we get greg k-h in our group?
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  • [21:08:48] <mranostay> tsquar3d: that is only legal in Nevada
  • [21:09:00] <_av500_> group?
  • [21:09:17] <tsquar3d> Well, the UK is outside of federal jurisdiction... so there.
  • [21:09:46] <mru> _av500_: g+ trolling 'community'
  • [21:09:50] <_av500_> ah
  • [21:09:54] <_av500_> but that was long ago
  • [21:09:57] <mru> mranostay: I guess someone let him in to troll the rest of us
  • [21:11:43] <alan_o> yeah, we can't have all the trolling going in the same direction.
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  • [21:16:19] <_av500_> you want reverse trolling?
  • [21:23:28] <ka6sox> mranostay, what time is it going to be 5am again?
  • [21:23:29] <fester> how do you load a module on boot?
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  • [21:24:21] <alan_o> ka6sox: when will then be now?
  • [21:25:15] <ka6sox> er...um....
  • [21:25:39] <fester> anyone know how, or can direct me how to on a beagle bone?
  • [21:26:25] <alan_o> ka6sox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZ9HhHU86o
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  • [21:28:23] <panto> g'night all
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  • [21:29:33] <vvu|Mobile> night
  • [21:32:09] <mru> knight
  • [21:33:51] <djlewis> as darkness slowly creeps across the Atlantic, so goes the days of our lives. . .
  • [21:37:33] <ka6sox> djlewis, they haven't seen American Soap Operas much I suspect...
  • [21:37:56] <ka6sox> alan_o, I forgot about that one.
  • [21:37:58] <djlewis> they are so fortunate then
  • [21:40:02] <ka6sox> the fact that you can quote it so well is semi-disturbing....
  • [21:40:02] <ka6sox> :)
  • [21:40:38] <ka6sox> mranostay, any reason to believe that when the JTAG cape is installed we will also have the LCD one installed?
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  • [21:41:34] <djlewis> ka6sox: i worked on tv's for many years, many years ago..
  • [21:42:03] <ka6sox> so you can read backwards too?
  • [21:42:09] <djlewis> yep
  • [21:42:16] <djlewis> and upside down
  • [21:42:27] <ka6sox> and on the side (well consoles you couldnt')
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  • [21:46:43] <mrpackethead> are there any FPGA or CPLD Capes that are actually finished
  • [21:46:48] <mrpackethead> and are not just vaporware
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  • [21:58:45] <mranostay> ka6sox: well it isn't a option to have both :)
  • [21:59:44] <shapr> mrpackethead: Is the Logi-Bone vaporware?
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  • [22:00:23] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [22:00:33] <mrpackethead> mranostay: you got a FPGA cape?
  • [22:00:37] <shapr> oh, that's too bad. The Pix looked nice.
  • [22:01:00] <shapr> Also, I found an open source Xilinx Spartan6 toolchain recently and I was hoping to find an affordable dev board.
  • [22:01:23] <mranostay> mrpackethead: no
  • [22:01:33] <Russ> shapr, toolchain? where?
  • [22:01:39] * mranostay notes his TI prize cheque is here
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  • [22:01:54] <mrpackethead> cool. what are you going to do with *all* that money
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  • [22:01:57] <shapr> Russ: https://github.com/Wolfgang-Spraul/fpgatools
  • [22:02:16] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, there are FPGA capes available :)
  • [22:02:26] <mrpackethead> can you suggest one?
  • [22:02:32] <Russ> only supports lx9, bummer
  • [22:02:33] <mrpackethead> google revealed lots of them
  • [22:02:34] <ka6sox> yes, the BCC
  • [22:02:42] <mrpackethead> but coud'tn seem to find any that you could buy
  • [22:02:48] <mrpackethead> BCC?
  • [22:02:59] <ka6sox> emeb, can you take over :)
  • [22:03:17] <mranostay> mrpackethead: beer probably
  • [22:03:39] <ka6sox> mranostay, okay thanks
  • [22:03:43] <emeb> ka6sox: talking about BCC?
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  • [22:03:50] <ka6sox> emeb, yes
  • [22:03:50] <shapr> Russ: There's a matching pdf: http://lekernel.net/fpga_toolchain_talk.pdf
  • [22:03:55] <emeb> Can't buy 'em yet.
  • [22:03:59] <ka6sox> okay
  • [22:04:04] <ka6sox> :/
  • [22:04:05] <emeb> Unless someone wants to build them...
  • [22:04:38] <mrpackethead> right.
  • [22:04:43] <emeb> Weren't there a couple FPGA capes that won the contest?
  • [22:04:56] <mrpackethead> i thinks its time for me to build some.
  • [22:05:08] <emeb> I submitted a "shovel ready" design but it didn't pass muster.
  • [22:05:38] <emeb> mrpackethead: If you want gerbers to build a BCC just let me know.
  • [22:05:51] <emeb> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/index.html
  • [22:06:28] <emeb> or make your own with gEDA/PCB from the design files here: https://github.com/emeb/bcc_hardware
  • [22:09:22] <mrpackethead> gerbers would be awesome
  • [22:09:32] <mrpackethead> i'll get some made up
  • [22:09:39] <mrpackethead> the build does'nt look very hard
  • [22:09:48] <emeb> It's pretty easy.
  • [22:10:06] <emeb> can hand-solder everything, or reflow if that's your preference.
  • [22:10:08] <mrpackethead> thats a 100 pin TQFP?
  • [22:10:12] <emeb> yes
  • [22:10:19] <mrpackethead> probably woudl reflow it
  • [22:10:22] <mrpackethead> just because its easy
  • [22:10:35] <emeb> whatevs. I drag soldered the big parts.
  • [22:10:42] <mrpackethead> but can hand solder a TQFP without too much problem either
  • [22:10:51] <ssi> it's not bad with plenty of flux
  • [22:11:02] <mrpackethead> emed, is this your design?
  • [22:11:10] <emeb> mrpackethead: yes it is.
  • [22:11:13] <mrpackethead> ahh.
  • [22:11:15] <mrpackethead> cool.
  • [22:11:34] <mrpackethead> what are the design files done in?
  • [22:11:34] <emeb> got two of 'em built up here. IIRC ka6sox has one as well.
  • [22:11:55] <emeb> the schematic & layout are done with FOSS gEDA/PCB tools.
  • [22:12:05] <emeb> http://www.gpleda.org/
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  • [22:20:07] <ka6sox> I have one
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  • [22:24:05] <mrpackethead> did you run the pcbs?
  • [22:25:05] <mrpackethead> thanks embed
  • [22:25:13] <mrpackethead> I'll get all the stuff together
  • [22:25:25] <mrpackethead> i dont' use geda
  • [22:29:25] <emeb> I got the PCBs fabbed at OSHpark. 4 layer process - costs ~$25 ea ($75 for 3)
  • [22:33:23] <mrpackethead> any body interested in getting some?
  • [22:33:39] <mrpackethead> i'll get them made in Maylaisa
  • [22:33:47] <mrpackethead> we hav a company we use all the time
  • [22:33:52] <mrpackethead> they do me pretty good deals on protos
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  • [22:40:11] <evilwulfie> http://www.elecrow.com/services-c-73/fusion-pcb-service-c-73_116/4-layer-10-10cm-max-10pcs-p-365.html
  • [22:40:46] <evilwulfie> a good deal and the 2 sided are 10 5cmx5cm for 10 bux
  • [22:40:57] <evilwulfie> really good prices
  • [22:41:48] <djlewis> gn
  • [22:44:35] <Russ> so $100 for the order of 10
  • [22:44:58] <emeb> here's the gerbers for the BCC: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/bcc_gerbers.zip
  • [22:45:08] <emeb> (just put 'em up on the BCC web page)
  • [22:45:09] <Russ> 5cmx5cm is about 4sqin
  • [22:45:18] <Russ> so oshpark, you'd get 3 for $20
  • [22:45:23] <Russ> oshpark is still cheaper
  • [22:45:23] <emeb> no
  • [22:45:28] <emeb> 3 for $75
  • [22:45:32] <emeb> $25/ea
  • [22:45:35] <Russ> he mentioned 2 layer
  • [22:45:49] <emeb> the BCC board is 4l
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  • [22:46:25] <Russ> ok, so 5cmx5cm (4sqin) 4 layer at $450 for 10
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  • [22:46:42] <emeb> wow - OSHpark is cheaper than that.
  • [22:47:10] <Russ> oshpark for 3 4sqin 4layer would be $60
  • [22:47:14] <Russ> and you get enig
  • [22:48:12] <ds2> emeb: you tried seed?
  • [22:48:25] <emeb> ds2: nope, never tried seeed.
  • [22:49:52] <chupacabra> where do i get a video cable? cant find accessories. probably my stupidity
  • [22:50:00] <_av500_> ?
  • [22:50:05] <_av500_> hdmi cable?
  • [22:50:11] <_av500_> anywhere
  • [22:50:12] <chupacabra> ya, tks
  • [22:50:19] <chupacabra> mini hdmi?
  • [22:50:23] <_av500_> google?
  • [22:50:55] <chupacabra> ok
  • [22:50:56] <Russ> chupacabra, monoprice
  • [22:53:13] <chupacabra> cool cheap
  • [22:53:17] <emeb> ds2: looking @ seeed pricing - the bcc board would fit into their 10cm x 10cm 4l pricing - $69.90/5. A bit cheaper than OSHpark.
  • [22:53:57] <Russ> I think the $69.90 is per unit
  • [22:54:05] <Russ> minimum 10
  • [22:54:14] <Russ> er, wait, seed
  • [22:54:15] <Russ> sorry
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  • [22:54:48] <ds2> emeb: they look cheap, just donno how reliable are their boards
  • [22:55:22] <emeb> ds2: yeah - no experience with that aspect.
  • [22:55:39] <Russ> I don't know if they fpga board would pass drc with a min inner trace/space of 8 mil
  • [22:56:20] <Russ> and does it have any vias under 12 mil?
  • [22:56:30] <emeb> oh - seeed isn't 6/6?
  • [22:56:37] <Russ> just on the outer layers
  • [22:56:49] <emeb> hmm...
  • [22:57:45] <emeb> inner layers should be fine with coarser rules.
  • [22:57:48] <ds2> noe
  • [22:57:49] <emeb> no routing on those.
  • [22:57:56] <ds2> from what I can tell, they keep horrible tolerances
  • [22:57:56] <Russ> ya, but you still have via anti-pads
  • [22:58:14] <emeb> but there's plenty of clearance on those.
  • [22:59:24] <emeb> looks like 10mil clearance from vias to surrounding planes.
  • [22:59:43] <ds2> that's from the layout standpoint
  • [22:59:57] <ds2> from a process quality standpoint, it tells me their alignment tolerances are very sloppy
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  • [23:01:31] <ds2> OTH, they can be a cheap 2L fab
  • [23:02:34] <Russ> http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/boards.jpg
  • [23:02:38] <Russ> yikes
  • [23:03:01] <mrpackethead> whats the dimension of the bcc?
  • [23:04:03] <mranostay> back!
  • [23:04:35] <ds2> Russ: nothing too unexpected
  • [23:04:43] <mranostay> ds2: !!!!
  • [23:04:54] <ds2> mranostay: eh?
  • [23:04:59] <mrpackethead> 2x 3 give or take
  • [23:05:10] <ds2> guess sdkie dropped out
  • [23:05:18] <mranostay> ka6sox: @#$@# the default message being private
  • [23:05:20] <emeb> mrpackethead: same as beaglebone.
  • [23:05:29] <emeb> so yeah - about 2x3
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  • [23:06:23] <mrpackethead> 24.37 each
  • [23:06:30] <mrpackethead> thats ENIG
  • [23:06:32] <spoon> Did I just brick my Beaglebone Black? I tried an xz update to the onboard SD and it terminated. I can't get it to recognize as a drive to try again. Any ideas?
  • [23:06:35] <mrpackethead> and tested
  • [23:06:54] <_av500_> oh, somebody wants to make the BBB into a computer for kids
  • [23:07:01] <_av500_> where did I hear that before
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  • [23:07:14] <mrpackethead> educaton
  • [23:07:18] <mrpackethead> put them into schools
  • [23:07:20] <jkridner|work> spoon: you can't really do that while you are running off of the eMMC. You can always recover using the steps at http://beagleboard.org/Getting+Started
  • [23:07:20] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [23:07:56] <mrpackethead> _av500_: only thing that stops doing this with a BBB, is that the BBB is documented
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  • [23:09:21] <spoon> jrridder: it's no longer recognizing it as a Beaglebone, when I plug it in I get a message asking me to configure the network conection for an "AM335x USB" device.
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  • [23:09:46] <ds2> jkridner|work: is 'WTF' an acceptable comment?
  • [23:10:02] <jkridner|work> hehe, in polite terms. :-)
  • [23:10:30] <spoon> I know. I'm an idiot.
  • [23:10:42] <ds2> some of them are really taxing on the patience side
  • [23:10:54] <jkridner|work> spoon: yeah, sounds like to left the eMMC in a bad state. You'll need to create a uSD card with an eMMC flasher image.
  • [23:13:31] <ka6sox> lets see.
  • [23:13:35] <ka6sox> am I here?
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  • [23:14:07] <agmlego> No.
  • [23:14:16] <spoon> jkridner: Ok. I'll give that a go. Am I right in that a flasher image should recover the eMMC?
  • [23:14:40] <spoon> *a flasher image when booting from an external SD
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  • [23:15:58] <_av500_> night
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  • [23:25:33] <mranostay> ka6sox: is it hot in SoCal?
  • [23:25:56] <mranostay> above normal up here i think
  • [23:27:06] <ka6sox> yes, pretty hot..and apparently windy in the foothills
  • [23:27:29] <ka6sox> one of my Mountaintops is threatened pretty bad...but I have 100m of clearance done around it.
  • [23:27:45] * vvu|Mobile wishes good night to the beagle ppl!
  • [23:27:53] <ka6sox> nite vvu|Mobile
  • [23:28:41] <ds2> "your" mountaintop? :D
  • [23:29:26] <mru> and "one of"
  • [23:32:07] * mranostay drinks some TI paid for beer
  • [23:33:54] <ka6sox> and there it went...buh bye!..."Job Security"
  • [23:34:11] <mranostay> ka6sox: what is job security?
  • [23:34:29] <ka6sox> mranostay, a figement of our Imagination...
  • [23:34:38] <ka6sox> -e
  • [23:35:10] * mranostay hurls a Newcastle at mru
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  • [23:35:49] <mru> mranostay: boring beer
  • [23:36:07] <mranostay> boo
  • [23:36:20] <mranostay> it is hot here nice and refreshing
  • [23:37:03] <_av500_> newca brown
  • [23:37:06] <_av500_> gee
  • [23:37:21] <mranostay> _av500_: bite me
  • [23:38:10] <_av500_> I need to hit you anyway
  • [23:41:28] <mranostay> _av500_: can we hug and make up?
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