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  • [01:14:25] <spacecolonyone> hey guys does anyone know offhand if the angstrom/systemd bb image is using initramfs
  • [01:15:59] <mranostay> magic?
  • [01:16:16] <mranostay> probably depends on the image you build
  • [01:16:33] <mranostay> but the 'default' one is no
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  • [01:17:04] <spacecolonyone> ok angstrom 2012.05 systemd base image
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  • [01:28:25] <mdp> Jacmet: the plan is "everything", my parts are dust specs in the larger effort
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  • [02:01:43] <mranostay> hi emeb_mac
  • [02:01:45] <mranostay> and prpplague
  • [02:02:01] <emeb_mac> hi mranostay
  • [02:02:09] <emeb_mac> and prpplague :)
  • [02:02:24] <prpplague> greetings all
  • [02:02:48] <mranostay> do people actaully like people? :)
  • [02:02:49] <emeb_mac> oh btw - latest little board: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32f303breakout/index.html
  • [02:02:56] * mranostay is having one of those days
  • [02:03:14] <emeb_mac> for days like that there are cats.
  • [02:03:31] <mranostay> i'm giving that furball an extra hug when i get home :P
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  • [02:04:56] <mranostay> prpplague: TIL there is no jumper cables in this entire company... :)
  • [02:05:05] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:05:19] <emeb_mac> dead battery in the parking lot and no one would help?
  • [02:05:20] <prpplague> mranostay: i keep two pair in my car at all times
  • [02:05:29] <mranostay> prpplague: not those kind :)
  • [02:05:59] <prpplague> mranostay: ??
  • [02:06:04] <emeb_mac> what other kind are there?
  • [02:06:10] <mru> you can keep any kind in the car
  • [02:06:24] <mranostay> the breadboard kind
  • [02:06:44] <mru> remind me some time to tell a joke about keeping something in the car
  • [02:06:52] <mranostay> how about now?
  • [02:06:57] <mru> this ain't the place
  • [02:07:08] * mranostay makes note for ELC
  • [02:08:12] <prpplague> mranostay: ahh
  • [02:08:21] <prpplague> mranostay: indeed TI offices are the same way
  • [02:08:45] <mru> mranostay: what's special about breadboards?
  • [02:09:11] * mru always uses plain wire of a suitable gauge
  • [02:09:45] <mranostay> well i need to use it test a RS-232 pinout
  • [02:09:54] <prpplague> mranostay: real solder their projects on protoboards
  • [02:10:05] <prpplague> mranostay: real MEN solder their projects on protoboards
  • [02:10:11] * mranostay works for cheap ass company
  • [02:10:25] <mranostay> heh
  • [02:10:29] <mru> prpplague: we all know mranostay is but a kid, a far cry from a real man
  • [02:10:31] <mranostay> just a RS-232 cable
  • [02:10:48] <mranostay> or RJ-45 to DB-9 adapter
  • [02:11:02] <mranostay> mru: cute
  • [02:11:23] <mru> mranostay: no, you're too old to be 'cute'
  • [02:11:52] <mranostay> so i'm at the awkward age?
  • [02:12:16] * emeb_mac has been at the awkward age for some time now
  • [02:12:34] <Russ> mranostay, it would have been nice if all db-9's were replaced with yost long ago
  • [02:14:02] <emeb_mac> should have made the whole world switch to the Apple DIN-8 style serial cables. :P
  • [02:14:10] * Russ looks at emeb_mac's mini-usb connector
  • [02:14:22] <emeb_mac> Russ: you like that?
  • [02:14:37] <Russ> why have 5 pins when you only need 3, eh?
  • [02:14:41] <emeb_mac> solid as a rock - no way that's tearing off like those SMD ones
  • [02:14:47] <emeb_mac> the other two are underneath
  • [02:15:01] <emeb_mac> zig-zag pattern
  • [02:15:11] <Russ> it helps for smd if you put a via or two in
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  • [02:16:10] <emeb_mac> yes, but most don't have any PTH at all
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  • [02:17:23] <mranostay> well only 3 are used today right?
  • [02:17:27] <mranostay> nobody does HW flow
  • [02:17:37] <Russ> (we were talking usb)
  • [02:17:44] <mranostay> ah ok :)
  • [02:17:54] <Russ> rts/cts are nice to have
  • [02:18:45] <Russ> and dcd/dtr is nice if you have a serial terminal with login, so it can log out automatically
  • [02:18:51] <mrpackethead_> im actualy working on my via builder right now
  • [02:19:08] <emeb_mac> via builder?
  • [02:19:48] <mrpackethead_> yup.. a beagle thats helping buidling capes
  • [02:19:59] <mrpackethead_> which came first the cape or the beagle
  • [02:20:53] <mrpackethead_> im building a Electroplater
  • [02:22:08] <mranostay> mru: they move your talk time?
  • [02:23:00] <spacecolonyone> koen: did I miss an upgrade from connman 0.79 to 1.10
  • [02:23:06] <mru> mranostay: so it seems
  • [02:23:19] <Russ> damn, I already made my schedule, lunch and breaks included
  • [02:23:52] <mranostay> no more conflict in that slot
  • [02:24:01] <Russ> what was his old slot?
  • [02:24:10] <mru> the one after
  • [02:24:28] <mrpackethead_> cat 1 > run
  • [02:24:54] <mranostay> ah this is not a shell
  • [02:24:57] <Russ> it used to be at 5?
  • [02:25:14] <mrpackethead_> sorry
  • [02:25:17] <mrpackethead_> wrong window
  • [02:25:33] <Russ> just be sure to type something more interesting, next time, ok?
  • [02:26:01] <mru> passwords and credit card numbers are preferred
  • [02:26:12] <mru> especially if they match
  • [02:26:27] <mranostay> expiration date as well
  • [02:27:03] <mru> do you usians have the extra password thing on your credit cards?
  • [02:27:12] <mrpackethead_> 378282246310005
  • [02:27:23] <mrpackethead_> 4012888888881881
  • [02:27:48] <mru> first one looks plausibly like an amex number
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  • [02:27:53] <mrpackethead_> 5105105105105100
  • [02:28:11] <mrpackethead_> they will pass sanity checks
  • [02:28:15] <mrpackethead_> but won't do much else
  • [02:28:17] <mrpackethead_> :-)
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  • [02:29:44] <mrpackethead_> hi rcn-ee
  • [02:30:39] <rcn-ee> hi mrpackethead_ , what's up..
  • [02:31:14] <mrpackethead_> rcn-ee: just working on PWM stuff on a beagle under debian
  • [02:31:45] <rcn-ee> ah fun, isn't there a brand new kernel driver for that under v3.8-rc's? ;)
  • [02:32:06] <mrpackethead_> you might know, and this might be a silly quesiton.. Why is /sys/kernel/debug/ not mounted by default?
  • [02:33:22] <rcn-ee> By default, i haven't stuck anything else in /etc/fstab other then proc and the two mount points. ;)
  • [02:33:34] <mrpackethead_> right..
  • [02:34:04] <mrpackethead_> any reason not to add it into /etc/fstab?
  • [02:34:07] <rcn-ee> i'm pretty sure we could drop proc, do you guys want me to stick it in their by default? would be a one liner in the script..
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  • [02:35:35] <mrpackethead_> it die'snt make much difference to me
  • [02:35:45] <mrpackethead_> i was just wondering if there was a reason for it
  • [02:36:02] <rcn-ee> oh, just never bothered. ;)
  • [02:36:07] <rcn-ee> and no one asked. ;)
  • [02:36:21] <mranostay> http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-schmidt-wrote-the-most-hilariously-self-defeating-email-you-will-ever-read-2013-1 <--- how dumb is that? :)
  • [02:36:58] <mrpackethead_> how do people do pin mapping etc , if its not mounted?
  • [02:37:11] <mranostay> eh?
  • [02:38:38] <rcn-ee> oh they mount it. ;)
  • [02:38:50] <mrpackethead_> ok, like what i've done
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  • [02:41:30] <Russ> mranostay, looking at one of the linked articles
  • [02:41:32] <Russ> http://www.businessinsider.com/my-micro-ny-wins-adapt-nyc-competition-2013-1
  • [02:41:34] <Russ> I like the picture
  • [02:41:47] <mrpackethead_> talking of compettions
  • [02:41:53] <mrpackethead_> hows cape-comp going
  • [02:42:18] <Russ> mranostay, reminds me of this http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/whale-fail-pool.jpg
  • [02:44:22] <mrpackethead_> rcn-ee: Does the LCD-Cape ( LCD-3 ) work with the debian build?
  • [02:44:41] <mranostay> eh
  • [02:44:42] <rcn-ee> mrpackethead_, just pushed it out.. https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder/commit/fbbb9e3c38af79f90dec2cc839c4e01d44592d6b
  • [02:44:56] <mranostay> Russ: hobbits?!
  • [02:45:09] <Russ> I think so
  • [02:45:22] <rcn-ee> it does with v3.2.x, with the demo images, i have this startup hack: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/tools/blob/master/target/BeagleBone.sh
  • [02:45:50] <rcn-ee> with v3.6/v3.7/v3.8 i haven't got it to work yet..
  • [02:46:19] <mrpackethead_> im fine with 3.2.33 righ tnow
  • [02:46:30] <mrpackethead_> no need to be cutting edge like the trolls
  • [02:47:08] <rcn-ee> i look at it the other way... v3.8.x has less patches to maintain then v3.2.x. ;)
  • [02:48:01] <mrpackethead_> true.
  • [02:48:12] <mrpackethead_> i'll move when its time.
  • [02:48:13] <mrpackethead_> :-)
  • [02:48:41] <rcn-ee> and right now, it's not ready.. atleast usb host now works... reset was still iffy today when i tried it..
  • [02:49:26] <mrpackethead_> rcn-ee: do you think it woudl be possible to get debian to run on the TI ICE board?
  • [02:50:57] <rcn-ee> it should actually work, as all the am335's share the same u-boot and kernel...
  • [02:51:21] <rcn-ee> i've just never picked one up to test.. (although it's been in my shopping cart a few times.. just never pulled the trigger)
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  • [02:52:30] <mrpackethead_> i have one sitting in front of me
  • [02:52:48] <mrpackethead_> the reason for the interest is the ethercat
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  • [02:56:35] <oodi> My BeagleBone outputs garbled text on the USB serial console when trying to install Debian. The kernel boot messages are properly displayed and readable. But the text based netinstall interface displays garbage. How can I fix that?
  • [02:58:02] <rcn-ee> garbage? sounds like a usb/serial issue.. which serial terminal are you using?
  • [02:58:16] <oodi> screen on OS X
  • [02:59:05] <oodi> This is an example of what it shows: T????????? ????????? ???????????? ???????????? ????????????.
  • [02:59:43] <oodi> But if I fire up screen fast enough, I can see the kernel messages scroll by just fine.
  • [03:00:14] <rcn-ee> ah, yeah it's trying to create a fake framebuffer over a serial console for the actuall netinstall script... do you have gtkterm avaible on mac? that's normally what i use..
  • [03:02:10] <oodi> nope, no gtkterm
  • [03:04:29] <mrpackethead_> yeah, i sometimes get that with my macbook as well using screen
  • [03:04:40] <mrpackethead_> my debian virtual machine doe'snt do it
  • [03:04:47] <mrpackethead_> so its not the hardware
  • [03:05:46] <mrpackethead_> rcn-ee: do you have a recommednation for mass cloning ( 20,50,100 ) of systems
  • [03:06:01] <mrpackethead_> ie, pop in an SD-Card
  • [03:06:16] <oodi> I tried using screen in a Debian Wheezy VM. Am not getting any output at all.
  • [03:06:44] <rcn-ee> dd, if the cards are all the same... script it with fdisk/tar if they vary..
  • [03:07:44] <rcn-ee> i never use screen, what's the snytax again, in my debian wheezy setup..
  • [03:08:44] <oodi> On the Mac it is screen /dev/tty.usbserial-TIVW0U9VB 115200 8N1, in wheezy I tried screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 8N1 and also /dev/ttyUSB1
  • [03:09:03] <mrpackethead_> dont' need the 8N1
  • [03:09:21] <mrpackethead_> just tryig /dev/tty.usb-xxxxxB 115200
  • [03:09:28] <rcn-ee> thanks, it helps to have it installed..
  • [03:09:44] <mrpackethead_> thogh, on macos, that probably will still fail on the build.
  • [03:11:16] <oodi> On wheezy the FTDI driver shows as ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 for me
  • [03:11:20] <rcn-ee> seems to work: http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/testing/netinstall/screen_bone.png screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
  • [03:11:37] <mrpackethead_> thats petty uch what i get as well
  • [03:11:49] <rcn-ee> it's fixed in a later kernel version.. with your install /dev/ttyUSB0 is the jtag...
  • [03:11:51] <prpplague> rcn-ee: hey
  • [03:11:58] <mrpackethead_> oodi:you want /USB1
  • [03:12:01] <prpplague> rcn-ee: see /msg
  • [03:12:04] <oodi> I wish... that would be so nice....
  • [03:13:40] <oodi> Oh ja... it wis working! For some reason it won't show anything on the ecreen if I wait too long. I managed to start screen during the boot process and the menu came right up.
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  • [03:18:51] <oodi> Hmmm... now to get the USB ethernet thingy going. It worked out of the box like a charm using the preinstalled image. But can I use it to install Debian too? I offers usb as a network interface.
  • [03:20:29] <rcn-ee> it's kinda fun to do in the netinstall, i've heard of people doing it...
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  • [03:25:42] <oodi> I haven't configured network interfaces and NAT by commandline in a long time...
  • [03:34:36] <oodi> It works! Not had that much fun in a long time.... lol...
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  • [03:52:55] <mranostay> prpplague: priv msg?!? :)
  • [04:01:26] <mranostay> prpplague: i like how sched.org makes the speaker 'interested' in their own talk :)
  • [04:01:35] <prpplague> hehe
  • [04:02:03] <prpplague> i am going to have to move my slot with someone else since i'll be helping out with the beaglebone tutorials on wednesday
  • [04:02:29] <mranostay> they already moved them around a bit
  • [04:02:42] <mranostay> nobody take my slot please :)
  • [04:03:29] * mranostay pictures prpplague switching his talk to the last slot of Friday
  • [04:03:45] <prpplague> hehe
  • [04:03:50] <prpplague> that is reserved for mdp
  • [04:05:02] <mranostay> what did mdp ever do to you?
  • [04:06:22] <prpplague> mranostay: would like that as a double linked list?
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  • [04:06:38] <ds2> a tree, please.
  • [04:07:03] <ds2> penalties for lopsided ones
  • [04:07:04] <mranostay> circle buffer
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  • [04:08:06] <mranostay> oh noes Russ is here
  • [04:09:11] <Russ> I have UML woes
  • [04:10:37] <ds2> User Mode Linux woes? :D
  • [04:10:58] <Russ> yup
  • [04:11:19] <ds2> UML on ARM?
  • [04:11:21] <Russ> since around host kernel ~3.5 or so, its been causing major problems
  • [04:11:23] <Russ> x86_64
  • [04:11:40] <ds2> oh legacy crap :D
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  • [04:16:35] <Russ> hard lock :(, no sysrq
  • [04:18:29] <prpplague> mranostay: http://www.costumesgalore.net/purple-wool-top-hat.html
  • [04:19:31] <Russ> are we all planning on wearing puple now?
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  • [04:19:42] <Russ> http://www.costumesgalore.net/mens-purple-tuxedo.html
  • [04:19:59] <CareBear\> prpplague : how high is the hat?
  • [04:21:00] <prpplague> Russ: hehe i was thinking about the hat only
  • [04:21:06] <prpplague> CareBear\: not very high
  • [04:22:26] <prpplague> mranostay: better yet - http://www.cafepress.com/+got_purple_trucker_hat,68802175?cmp=knc-pla-68802175&utm_term=68802175&utm_medium=cpc%26utm_cp_signal%3d18&pid=3607873&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=sem_product_feed
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  • [04:23:55] <Russ> http://www.cafepress.com/mf/1615066/gomee4shirtwcopyrightpng_tshirt umm
  • [04:26:20] <prpplague> hmm that took me to the main page
  • [04:26:34] <Russ> link wfm
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  • [06:25:37] * mranostay yawns
  • [06:26:01] <mranostay> fixed my defective geiger cape (not the demo one)
  • [06:27:47] <mranostay> this is why you don't overvoltage resistors :)
  • [06:29:03] <ka6sox> overvoltage a resistor?
  • [06:29:16] <mranostay> a SMD yes
  • [06:29:22] <mranostay> they do have ratings
  • [06:29:40] * ka6sox wants to see this :D
  • [06:29:55] <mranostay> ka6sox: they will arc
  • [06:30:06] <mranostay> you know how SMD resistors are formed right?
  • [06:30:18] <ka6sox> dust of the earth?
  • [06:30:25] <mranostay> well yes
  • [06:30:50] <mranostay> they basically are the same but they put a cut in it for the different resistances
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  • [06:34:55] <ka6sox> mranostay, thin or thick film?
  • [06:35:58] <mranostay> thick in this case
  • [06:36:13] <mranostay> what are the pluses of thin?
  • [06:38:03] <ka6sox> what was the value of the resistor that was "overvoltaged"?
  • [06:38:45] <mranostay> 1M
  • [06:39:00] <mranostay> i replaced it and all is well.. for now :)
  • [06:39:28] <ka6sox> what voltage did you apply across it?
  • [06:40:31] <mranostay> hmmm now i think about it the 10M should have failed sooner...
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  • [06:41:10] <ka6sox> ??????????????
  • [06:41:29] <mranostay> ka6sox: that is a lot of? :)
  • [06:41:40] <emeb_mac> fell asleep on the key
  • [06:41:46] * mranostay pulls up schmatic
  • [06:41:52] <ka6sox> what voltage did you apply across the resistor?
  • [06:42:32] <mranostay> let me calculate
  • [06:43:32] <mranostay> hmm 33 volt drop on the 1M and 470~ on the 11M :/
  • [06:43:55] <mranostay> doesn't make sense now
  • [06:44:24] <emeb_mac> violating ohms law there dude.
  • [06:44:24] <ka6sox> so 500V across the series resistors?
  • [06:44:29] <ka6sox> no kidding
  • [06:45:13] <mranostay> gah i meant 363
  • [06:45:18] <mranostay> -ETOOLATE
  • [06:45:20] <emeb_mac> better
  • [06:45:26] <ka6sox> mucho bettah
  • [06:45:48] <ka6sox> what are the "wattage" values on the resistors you chose?
  • [06:46:14] <mranostay> 0805 resistors so that is 0.3 watts iirc
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  • [06:46:45] <mranostay> ah 0.125 watt
  • [06:46:55] <emeb_mac> When you break ohms law a very stern German guy shows up at the door with a citation.
  • [06:47:11] <ka6sox> *or* smoke comes out....take your pick.
  • [06:47:12] <mranostay> i don't want to see _av500_ at my front door
  • [06:49:04] <mranostay> ka6sox: so you going to ELC two days?
  • [06:49:14] <ka6sox> wed-thurs
  • [06:50:14] <ka6sox> so 13mW and 1mW smoked those resistors?
  • [06:50:29] <ka6sox> or your resistor "arced" to where?
  • [06:50:33] <ka6sox> across itself?
  • [06:50:37] <ka6sox> to the board?
  • [06:50:55] <mranostay> itself i'm guessing
  • [06:51:17] <mranostay> ka6sox: you are going to miss mru's talk :/
  • [06:51:35] <mranostay> wait
  • [06:51:43] <ka6sox> since I have to give a talk at *exactly* the same time 350miles away...unaviodable.
  • [06:51:47] <mranostay> nm his is Thursday
  • [06:51:52] <ka6sox> oh
  • [06:51:55] <ka6sox> then I'll make it
  • [06:52:07] <ka6sox> I'll bring the peanuts and popcorn.
  • [06:52:30] <mranostay> hmmm only panto's talk on Friday I have to attend really
  • [06:53:47] <ka6sox> take a high powered loupe and look @ the resistor...see if there is damage.
  • [06:54:13] <ka6sox> (and from what I am reading...thickfilm is used for LOW value resistors where you need high current (like charging circuits)
  • [06:55:07] <mranostay> what are the dims on a thin vs thick?
  • [06:55:27] <ka6sox> thickness of the coatings
  • [06:55:44] <ka6sox> 0805 is 0805
  • [06:55:49] <mranostay> d'oh
  • [06:57:13] <mranostay> thin is much more expensive right?
  • [06:57:32] <mranostay> better tolerence though?
  • [06:57:59] <ka6sox> you can ESD a thin easier than a thick
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  • [07:04:12] <ka6sox> mranostay, are we talking like this kind of arcing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Resistor_damaged_arcing.jpg?
  • [07:07:43] <ka6sox> mranostay, to operate at the voltage you have on the resistor you need a 2010 size
  • [07:08:34] <ka6sox> (the 10M)
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  • [07:19:30] <_av500_> ahoi
  • [07:19:42] <panto> arr mateys
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  • [07:26:57] <yegorich> ahoi!
  • [07:29:01] <mranostay> dammit panto is here
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  • [07:34:20] <ka6sox> mranostay, straighten up and fly right.
  • [07:34:50] <mranostay> fly right?
  • [07:35:06] <mranostay> i don't have a pilot
  • [07:35:09] <mranostay> 's license
  • [07:35:46] <_av500_> Mc Fly
  • [07:38:06] <ka6sox> and stop violating Ohm's Law...or I will send av500 to your house :D
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  • [08:18:21] <sr105> I'm trying to bbappend another kernel recipe changing the machine and adding my own defconfig, but bit bake doesn't see it. If I put it in the layer with the kernel recipe, it finds it. http://pastebin.com/C5W2MNfJ
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  • [08:18:49] <sr105> Does anyone see what I'm missing>
  • [08:18:50] <sr105> ?
  • [08:19:02] <woglinde> hi sr105
  • [08:19:07] <sr105> hi
  • [08:22:03] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [08:22:04] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [08:22:30] <woglinde> fish?
  • [08:23:11] <mrpacket_> got my lcd3 working
  • [08:23:12] <mrpacket_> :-0)
  • [08:23:25] <av500> what happened to lcd1 and lcd2?
  • [08:23:33] <mrpacket_> don't know
  • [08:23:35] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [08:24:08] <mrpacket_> thats very coolness
  • [08:24:14] <mrpacket_> sounds crazy
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  • [08:24:23] <mrpacket_> but i'm most happy
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  • [08:28:51] <woglinde> I thought you make design only
  • [08:28:55] <woglinde> at the moment
  • [08:28:58] <woglinde> gm av500
  • [08:29:22] <av500> gm woglinde
  • [08:30:57] <mrpacket_> does anyone have a part number for the header pins for capes?
  • [08:33:49] <av500> aint it standard 2.54mm parts?
  • [08:35:19] <mrpacket_> yup, but theres pins and pins an pins
  • [08:35:25] <mrpacket_> easy insertion force
  • [08:35:29] <mrpacket_> pin length
  • [08:35:30] <mrpacket_> etc et
  • [08:36:02] <woglinde> mrpacket you have wait for us than
  • [08:36:06] <woglinde> to awake
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  • [08:37:18] <mrpacket_> lol.
  • [08:37:32] <mrpacket_> but not all of the world lives in teh US o A
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  • [08:53:34] <jkroon> Is it possible to run the beagleboard image built by Openembedded Core (+meta-ti layer) in Qemu, without creating an sd-image of the joined fat+ext3 partitions ?
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  • [09:37:06] <av500> koen: ping
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  • [09:59:16] <mrpacket_> what flashy front end graphics do you run on a beagle
  • [09:59:17] <mrpacket_> :-)
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  • [10:01:45] <av500> a blinking LED?
  • [10:02:27] <ant_work> koen: who i supposed to merge meta-initramfs patches now? You or Martin? #42499 is still unapplied
  • [10:05:55] <mrpacket_> i done blinky leds
  • [10:06:06] <mrpacket_> someones drawn a penguin on my screen
  • [10:06:40] <av500> report him
  • [10:06:43] <av500> for vandalism
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  • [10:07:05] <mrpacket_> ... someone is drawing tux penguins on my screen
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  • [10:09:27] <mrpacket_> i want ducks
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  • [10:12:13] <panto> afk for a while
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  • [10:17:18] <woglinde> jo panto
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  • [10:36:06] <koen> ant_work: ping martin, otherwise I'll apply them tomorrow
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  • [11:21:21] * av500 has *it*
  • [11:21:27] <av500> koen: ^^^
  • [11:23:55] <koen> black?
  • [11:24:08] <av500> si
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  • [11:57:25] <mdp> sekrit black
  • [12:00:31] <koen> holy crap
  • [12:00:32] <koen> https://wiki.analog.com/resources/tools-software/linux-drivers-all
  • [12:00:46] <koen> look at the sub pages as well
  • [12:00:53] <koen> mainline status, example usage and all
  • [12:01:00] <koen> no DT, though
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  • [12:05:32] <mdp> koen, yeah, I've used their page before to show some mgmt how much smarter they are than our analog group
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  • [12:06:03] <koen> I've had similar conversation with prpplague as well
  • [12:07:49] <mdp> plenty of people internally understand that something is wrong there...just not the "deciders"
  • [12:07:51] <mdp> as usual
  • [12:08:32] <mdp> koen, all you have to do is spend a year as a sitara apps engineer and see how many people are sold the complete TI BOM for which there are no drivers ;)
  • [12:09:22] <koen> I was FAE, so I pestered you app engineers about that
  • [12:09:23] <mdp> or any other digital part...as that always becomes the focal point for supporting drivers and supporting real production h/w
  • [12:09:26] <mdp> yep
  • [12:09:54] <koen> a lot of support came from nokia and archos since they wrote their own drivers
  • [12:10:16] <koen> forward port that, customer reasonably happy
  • [12:10:27] <mdp> koen, I think it's humorous that while in that role, the drivers I wrote for people were for !TI parts..just to drive success. stuff that we don't make anyway, but still
  • [12:10:48] <mdp> koen, right
  • [12:11:07] <mdp> koen, we all work on FOSS because we are naturally lazy ;)
  • [12:12:45] * mdp stares at the highly depressing Ce board
  • [12:13:19] <koen> \o/
  • [12:13:25] <koen> parcel from HK arrived
  • [12:13:42] <LetoThe2nd> mdp: CE as in "Call Engineer"?
  • [12:13:58] <mdp> ti8148
  • [12:14:18] <mdp> koen, I'm also waiting for a HK post parcel ;)
  • [12:14:42] <mdp> LetoThe2nd: close enough though
  • [12:14:50] <LetoThe2nd> hrhr
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  • [12:15:08] <mdp> for one, it consumes a tremendous amount of bench space...piggish board
  • [12:15:36] <mdp> two, koen, never made enough free software for it..I blame him for everything
  • [12:15:49] <LetoThe2nd> ah, some dsp thing.
  • [12:16:19] <koen> mdp: spectrum digital, no?
  • [12:17:01] <mdp> mistral did 814x evm, SD did 816x evm
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  • [12:57:39] <av500> koen: I want 10%
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  • [14:12:37] <koen> mdp: I've been talking with the ST guy and he revealed that using IIO properly is much different from the cat sysfs-node way of using IIO
  • [14:12:52] <mdp> ;)
  • [14:13:19] <koen> mdp: the accelerometer can be read using sysfs, but if you want to use /dev/iio:deviceX you need to hook the interup line of the chip to your board and tell IIO to use that as trigger
  • [14:13:40] <mdp> you aren't doing high-resolution adc captures via cat of sysfs nodes ;)
  • [14:13:54] <mdp> ahh, yes
  • [14:13:54] <panto> right, that's overkill for most uses
  • [14:13:56] <koen> so for testing you hook up i2c, gnd and vin, echo accel 0xaddress > new_device and do sysfs
  • [14:14:20] <koen> for the proper stuff you need to do more
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  • [14:14:50] <koen> he mentioned 'boardfile', I didn't have the heart to start a 'can DT help with that?' conversation :)
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  • [14:15:27] <koen> jkridner__: https://wiki.analog.com/software/linux/docs/iio/iio_netscope
  • [14:15:58] <av500> koen: did you mention node.js?
  • [14:16:13] <koen> av500: I don't need to when talking to jkridner__
  • [14:16:22] <av500> but to the ST guy?
  • [14:17:37] <koen> no
  • [14:17:50] <koen> not sure how usefull nodejs in the kernel is
  • [14:19:41] <mdp> koen, "where's the boardfile" is a recurring theme ;)
  • [14:26:51] <koen> yes, where is it?
  • [14:27:08] <panto> board-generic.c
  • [14:28:50] <KotH> somehow, i find DT easier to use.. dunno why ;)
  • [14:31:16] <av500> KotH: its not turing complete
  • [14:31:41] <mru> av500: that's only a matter of time
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  • [14:39:59] <keesj> the terms used on the netscope page are from the netscape times (HTML , CGI ), the document diagrams are is probably designed in xfig so similar
  • [14:40:02] <keesj> or
  • [14:46:21] <mdp> panto, lol
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  • [14:59:19] <av500> keesj: best viewed in mosaic
  • [14:59:32] <av500> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/01/mosaic/
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  • [15:14:16] <keesj> :P
  • [15:14:38] <keesj> we have some solaris servers here that still have netscape
  • [15:15:15] <mdp> cool, the way the web was meant to be viewed!
  • [15:16:18] <mdp> I'd need to run it on an HP/UX box to get the full retro feeling though
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  • [15:19:21] <keesj> you also need X11 private color maps and web-safe colors
  • [15:19:47] <mdp> +1
  • [15:20:14] <Crofton|work> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/01/i-didnt-know-that-cheese-burns-so-well-he-said/
  • [15:22:47] <av500> that too
  • [15:23:18] <av500> keesj: 6x6x6 colors is enough for everybody
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  • [15:23:29] <MZXGiant> Anyone in here intimately familiar with U-Boot? I'm trying to shave off as much time as possible from the boot sequence and I'm curious whether that has any optimizations I can utilize?
  • [15:23:45] <av500> run it downhill
  • [15:23:58] <MZXGiant> :P
  • [15:25:11] <emeb_mac> MZXGiant: it's possible to bypass uboot entirely
  • [15:25:28] <koen> load from mlo or prepend a bootheader to your kernel
  • [15:25:42] <koen> or pull a matthew broderick
  • [15:25:49] <emeb_mac> someone here (ceriand_*) has a version of mlo that can run scripts and load the kernel.
  • [15:25:51] <koen> the fastest way to boot is not to boot at all
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  • [15:26:04] <av500> koen: +1000
  • [15:26:11] <MZXGiant> Hmmmmm
  • [15:26:25] <av500> reboot late, reboot never
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  • [15:26:53] <av500> snapshot boot it
  • [15:27:06] <MZXGiant> av500; How can I snapshot boot it?
  • [15:27:07] <av500> sony does that on their TVs
  • [15:27:10] <MZXGiant> That would be perfect
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  • [15:27:23] <av500> there is some cody out there
  • [15:27:28] <av500> Mr. Sony told me
  • [15:27:31] <av500> what was his name?
  • [15:27:35] <av500> koen: ^^
  • [15:27:53] <av500> Tim Bird
  • [15:27:57] <Crofton|work> Tim Bird?
  • [15:28:06] <av500> or was it glx
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  • [15:28:36] <av500> "linux snapshot boot"
  • [15:29:07] <av500> gg "linux snapshot boot"
  • [15:29:22] <ogra_> so called hibernate ?
  • [15:29:32] <av500> that would be from RAM
  • [15:29:59] <jackmitchell> my sony TV is slow :(
  • [15:30:02] <av500> but is an option too of course
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  • [15:30:23] <av500> more like suspend to disk
  • [15:30:31] <ogra_> yeah
  • [15:30:41] <MZXGiant> Is there anything packaged to support that in Angstrom, or is this a "Go find a C compiler and DIY" thing at this point?
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  • [15:30:48] <keesj> but u-boot "overhead" cna be trimmed down to 200/300 ms
  • [15:30:51] <av500> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/dongwook
  • [15:31:00] <av500> I love how that page mentions no year
  • [15:31:07] <ogra_> hibernateto swapfile;)
  • [15:31:09] <av500> could be April 11th 2014
  • [15:31:18] <av500> an no
  • [15:31:19] <av500> 2011
  • [15:31:20] * MZXGiant hums the Back to the Future theme
  • [15:31:22] <keesj> (enabling caches, tweaking the kernel image to load )
  • [15:31:23] <av500> its in the gif
  • [15:31:37] <MZXGiant> keesj; Can I do that from the uEnv, or do I need a NAND for that?
  • [15:31:46] <MZXGiant> (I'm running on a BeagleBone with just the microSD for storage)
  • [15:31:47] <av500> ?
  • [15:31:57] <av500> microsd is like nand
  • [15:32:23] <MZXGiant> Ahh, I thought I had read somewhere that you couldn't extensively tweak u-boot if you were using just SD
  • [15:32:29] <av500> why not
  • [15:32:31] <av500> its SW
  • [15:32:39] <MZXGiant> I dunno, I'm just parroting what I got from Google :P
  • [15:32:50] * av500 hands MZXGiant a cookiee
  • [15:32:55] <av500> -e
  • [15:33:03] * MZXGiant nomnomnomnom
  • [15:33:47] <keesj> MZXGiant: probably not , you also need to remove the 3 seconds delay (waiting for a prompt)
  • [15:34:14] <MZXGiant> Looks like the version on the beaglebone demo already does that
  • [15:34:40] <MZXGiant> http://pastebin.com/u0F4hzvm <- That's pretty much what I see
  • [15:35:40] <av500> you could remove the search for NAND
  • [15:35:57] <av500> enable caches
  • [15:36:10] <av500> compile uEnV in
  • [15:36:10] <MZXGiant> Is that source modification or uEnv.txt stuff?
  • [15:36:23] <MZXGiant> I'm just not familiar with uEnv enough to know how to do these things :P
  • [15:36:24] <av500> I fear one day you will have to edit source
  • [15:36:27] <MZXGiant> Haha
  • [15:36:36] <keesj> also use something like "ts" from moreutils to get differential times between the output
  • [15:36:56] <av500> oh, and use 1Mbit instead of 115200
  • [15:37:53] <keesj> disabling serial debug (from the kernel also helps) look at http://elinux.org/Boot_Time
  • [15:40:03] <av500> it already helps to make it 10x faster
  • [15:40:08] <av500> that way you still have logs
  • [15:40:15] <av500> of course you can remove it in the end
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  • [15:40:32] <av500> a great plague is upon us
  • [15:40:38] <MZXGiant> thanks :)
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  • [15:45:38] <koen> av500: snapshot boot was for camcorders
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  • [15:48:24] <av500> koen: oh well
  • [15:48:53] <av500> rpibonebeagleballsnowpandakiller: https://semiaccurate.com/2013/01/25/amd-puts-out-a-cheap-embedded-apu-development-board/
  • [15:49:35] <av500> WTF. no HDMI/DVI????
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  • [15:51:45] <jackmitchell> it has a USB2, SPI, PWM, and a bunch of A/D and D/A lanes
  • [15:51:57] <jackmitchell> thats some odd io for an amd board
  • [15:52:39] <jackmitchell> I spoke to an intel representative at an embedded conference earlier this year and they refused to belive I would use SPI for anything other than bootloader
  • [15:53:21] <jackmitchell> since then I assumed everyone in x86 land was the same
  • [15:54:11] <robclark> av500, that is quite a pair of heatsinks
  • [15:56:43] <av500> robclark: yep
  • [15:56:49] <av500> sink all the heats!
  • [15:57:13] <robclark> heheh
  • [15:57:35] <koen> jackmitchell: the intel folks I dealt with had a fond obsession with SPI flash for uEFI stuffs
  • [15:58:33] <jackmitchell> koen: yes, that rings some bells - they pretty much laughed when I proposed that I was connecting something other than flash over SPI
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  • [16:00:03] <jackmitchell> that was when I realised they either needed to train people better before sending them public facing, or they really don't have a clue how the embedded world works
  • [16:00:20] <jackmitchell> I chose to believe the former
  • [16:01:15] <av500> embedded = a PC in a 19" rack
  • [16:01:19] <av500> no?
  • [16:02:07] <jackmitchell> http://www.advantech.com/products/ARK-6310-6M01E/mod_1CE4204B-56FD-4B6A-BA09-81B2D7AC205D.aspx
  • [16:02:14] <jackmitchell> you want embedded?
  • [16:02:28] <av500> totally
  • [16:02:30] <mru> 'embedded' use to signify a computer as part of some apparatus whose primary purpose is not computing
  • [16:03:17] <av500> jackmitchell: and why would you use SPI for e.g. and ad converter when you have PCIE
  • [16:03:21] <av500> -d
  • [16:04:03] <jackmitchell> PCIE can go at 2GB per second you know, why would you want 2MB per second?
  • [16:04:18] <av500> xactly
  • [16:04:35] <jackmitchell> how do you display 4K resolution with that?
  • [16:04:52] <av500> use SPI
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  • [16:10:58] <mdp> #spialldathings
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  • [16:17:02] <av500> mdp: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/original/000/006/785/T.I..jpg
  • [16:17:11] <av500> yes, double ..
  • [16:17:41] <mdp> hehe, I need a T-Shirt of this to wear around The Heartland
  • [16:17:52] <mdp> I get asked about our awesome calculators...a lot!
  • [16:18:21] <mdp> the correct answer is always, "yes, I make all those calculators you love"
  • [16:18:44] <mdp> ...on a 3d printer in my basement
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  • [16:30:05] <woglinde> re
  • [16:31:04] <mdp> red
  • [16:31:56] <robclark> redrum
  • [16:32:26] * mdp runs
  • [16:32:37] <robclark> heheh
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  • [16:32:55] <woglinde> so after getting java recipes working again time to update them to latest release
  • [16:34:07] <av500> making coffee?
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  • [16:34:17] <woglinde> yes
  • [16:34:19] <av500> 1) let the monkey cat eat it
  • [16:34:20] <woglinde> sweet sour
  • [16:34:28] <av500> 2) let the monkey cat poop it
  • [16:34:32] <av500> 4) profit
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  • [16:37:40] <mranostay> mru: so that outside your window?
  • [16:37:52] <mru> yeah
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  • [16:38:28] <mranostay> did that dinky car move the SUV?
  • [16:38:39] <mru> yes
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  • [16:39:07] <mranostay> how is that even possible? :)
  • [16:39:25] <mru> it was moving rather fast
  • [16:39:47] <mru> and compare the damage
  • [16:40:15] <mru> the only damage to the suv seems to be a small dent on the door where it hit the smart
  • [16:40:58] <mru> toyota build quality seems to be better than vw
  • [16:41:15] <mranostay> how does one hit a parked car?
  • [16:41:31] <mru> by driving towards it and not stopping
  • [16:41:55] <mru> best part, the vw managed to hit the green beer truck on the opposite side of the street as well
  • [16:42:41] <mranostay> double points... on your license :)
  • [16:42:48] <av500> mranostay: thats a EU thing, narrow streets and such....
  • [16:43:09] <av500> mranostay: that thing next to the SUV is actually a car
  • [16:43:11] <mranostay> av500: ok i'm sure i wouldn't hit a parked car :)
  • [16:43:33] <mru> this guy hit _five_ parked cars
  • [16:43:34] <mranostay> you even have SUVs in Europe?
  • [16:43:50] <av500> yes
  • [16:43:55] <av500> we follow all the US fads
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  • [16:45:15] <mru> that's a toyota hilux btw, not sure if that quite counts as a suv
  • [16:45:31] <av500> Crofton|work: real?
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  • [16:53:08] <Crofton|work> dunno, posted by a friend
  • [16:54:12] <Crofton|work> in a tangent, I have been reminded of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcBOcwgb4OA
  • [16:54:58] <mru> fedex just delivered a box
  • [17:01:51] <av500> Crofton|work: I mean it realandorange was a typo
  • [17:01:54] <av500> if*
  • [17:02:03] <KotH> mru: open it carefully... it could be a bomb!
  • [17:02:33] <av500> mine wasnt
  • [17:04:16] <mranostay> KotH: why i open packages at a angle
  • [17:04:43] <KotH> mranostay: doesnt help if it contains anthrax
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  • [17:04:56] <Crofton|work> av500, fixed
  • [17:07:37] <mranostay> wait that wasn't cocaine?!?!
  • [17:09:03] <av500> Crofton|work: domo
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  • [17:10:20] <KotH> mranostay: and remember, anthrax is very powerfull. it can make you sick for days even without being there... as demonstrated by the swiss post office :)
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  • [17:11:32] <av500> now I now why I have this headache all the time
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  • [17:11:39] <av500> its from mru's anthray package
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  • [18:06:24] <jkroon> I'm using openembedded core, the meta-ti layer, and qemu-linaro. I'm trying to add virtual a usb mouse/keyboard to the qemu machine, but I can't get them to work. I think they connected to the wrong virtual USB hub.. Anyone got a tip ?
  • [18:06:56] <woglinde> jkroon look at the runqemu scripts in oe-core
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  • [18:10:29] <woglinde> dont know but this should be independet from the usb stuff
  • [18:10:51] <woglinde> but maybee musb is the horror in qemu too
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  • [18:57:02] <koen> jkridner__: so I used some iio userspace tools on the tscadc...
  • [18:57:43] <koen> jkridner__: checkbox implementation, we'll need to extend it to make it usefull for our uses
  • [18:57:57] <koen> jkridner__: like adding the sysfs exports every other IIO device has
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  • [18:58:33] <ds2> hmm
  • [18:59:42] <koen> using iio userspace utils to read the ADC doesn't work, could be a missing trigger or something
  • [18:59:58] <koen> but still, I spent a day on it and have nothing to show, only complaints
  • [19:00:11] <koen> so it isn't ready for general consumption
  • [19:00:25] <ds2> one can argue IIO isn't ready for general consumption
  • [19:00:52] <koen> I argued that already in a different channel
  • [19:00:55] <mranostay> KotH: i love the fake read i have to do before to get a real ADC reading :)
  • [19:01:10] <ds2> oh.. so we are on the same side on IIO :)
  • [19:01:25] <koen> I think IIO is a good start
  • [19:01:34] <KotH> mranostay: hmm?
  • [19:01:36] <ds2> but it is also overkill for the slower stuff
  • [19:01:48] <mranostay> er koen
  • [19:01:53] <koen> it better than tossing a 20 sided dice labeled 'hwmon', 'misc', 'input', 'power', etc to pick the subsys
  • [19:01:56] <mranostay> dammit i can't tab complete today
  • [19:02:08] <ds2> afaik, it is hard to make a generic IIO consumer
  • [19:02:13] <KotH> mranostay: and that highly depends on the adc architecture
  • [19:02:18] <ds2> given the current state, I'll take the 20sided die
  • [19:02:29] <mranostay> KotH: quiet you :)
  • [19:02:31] <jsabeaudry> What is beaglebone black?
  • [19:02:52] <mranostay> we do no talk of that
  • [19:02:54] <mranostay> *not
  • [19:02:57] <KotH> mranostay: i could give you a 2h talk on adc architectures if you want ;->
  • [19:02:58] <koen> jsabeaudry: secret new version
  • [19:02:59] <mranostay> it does not exiss
  • [19:02:59] <ds2> color of a beagle bone burnt to ashes and mixed with a binder?
  • [19:03:01] <mranostay> *exist
  • [19:03:12] <jsabeaudry> What's the ETA?
  • [19:03:13] <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Sexy, secret new version.
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  • [19:03:17] <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Later.
  • [19:03:27] <mranostay> koen: ssshh you are going to get us killed :)
  • [19:03:40] <jsabeaudry> agmlego, Arrr but I want one tomorrow
  • [19:03:57] <ds2> good thing is IIO drivers are easy to back port away from IIO ;)
  • [19:04:25] <koen> ds2: sssssh
  • [19:04:26] <XorA> would be better to fix IIO
  • [19:04:33] <ds2> koen: :)
  • [19:04:35] <jsabeaudry> Any idea when the official announcements will be made?
  • [19:04:35] <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Tough.
  • [19:04:43] <agmlego> jsabeaudry: Talk with jkridner__
  • [19:04:43] <XorA> kernel is in desperate need for standard ADC interface
  • [19:04:59] <ds2> XorA: and IMO, IIO ain't it
  • [19:05:15] <koen> the ST guy writing the drivers only used the example code in Documentation/IIO and the sysfs interface
  • [19:05:31] <XorA> ds2: amusingly IIO interface is pretty similar to the homebrew interface I used for palmas :-D
  • [19:05:46] <ds2> XorA: it depends on the underlying hw
  • [19:06:13] <ds2> most of the stuff I been working with lately requires just as much work if not more to do IIO as it is to do say an input driver
  • [19:07:10] <XorA> but still in general it is better to fix an existing interface than to create new ones to be obsoleted
  • [19:07:36] <ds2> XorA: that argument can be applied recursively to preclude the development of IIO
  • [19:07:40] <XorA> kernel is already a minefield of dead interfaces
  • [19:08:06] <ds2> it would be nice if there was a backward compat layer so IIO drivers can interface with existing userlands
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  • [19:53:20] <KotH> http://i.imgur.com/bjDdVgz.png
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  • [19:56:21] <panto> time to go now
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  • [19:58:35] <woglinde> nite panto
  • [19:59:00] <mranostay> so empty inside
  • [19:59:21] <mranostay> KotH: prpplague beat you to it
  • [19:59:28] <KotH> damn!
  • [19:59:36] <mdp> hehe
  • [19:59:44] <KotH> mranostay: but you can fill up your emptyness with vodka
  • [20:00:06] <prpplague> hehe
  • [20:00:10] <mranostay> me and vodka have never gotten along
  • [20:00:36] <mranostay> my good friend beer on the other hand
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  • [20:04:34] <KotH> mranostay: you can also try a hamburger.. or a dozen :)
  • [20:05:15] <mranostay> i can drink 12 beers probably.. 12 hamburgers would a little rough
  • [20:05:36] <mranostay> unless we are talking white castle
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  • [20:10:32] <djlewis> ugh. . .white castle slum burgers
  • [20:10:57] <mranostay> someone isn't a fan
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  • [20:11:10] <OWayne> I curious is there a recipe out there for omapl138 running a 3.x kernel? I see there is 03.22 PSP but recipes I have found are using a 2.6 ??? dbussink
  • [20:11:28] <agmlego> White Castle is the only successful endeavour in short-term food lending.
  • [20:12:07] <KotH> must be a really good place
  • [20:12:48] <agmlego> In fact, some sites have developed past lending and have reached recycling levels.
  • [20:13:01] <OWayne> oops, sorry.
  • [20:13:58] <KotH> OWayne: we excuse you for asking a technical question in here, while we were discussing food
  • [20:14:22] <KotH> agmlego: i'm glad we dont have white castles here in europe
  • [20:14:42] <KotH> but then, i'm surpriced that mcd and bk can still survive
  • [20:15:28] <agmlego> KotH: Neither of those has yet hit onthe idea of lending. Taco bell has gotten close, but have not had sufficient grease to slide the idea home.
  • [20:15:31] <agmlego> As it were...
  • [20:16:20] <OWayne> thanks, I am asking about recipes but that is as close to food as I will get
  • [20:16:55] <KotH> OWayne: what's your problem?
  • [20:17:10] <KotH> OWayne: configure kernel, compile kernel, install kernel, ???, profit
  • [20:17:20] <OWayne> is there a recipe out there for the omapl138 running a 3.x kernel? I see there is a 03.22 PSP but recipes I have found are using a 2.6 kernel and a older PSP
  • [20:17:42] <KotH> agmlego: i rather go to a kaiten sushi... or for ramen... healthier and tastier
  • [20:18:22] <agmlego> KotH: To be sure, but those are hard to come by here.
  • [20:18:33] <KotH> agmlego: yeah.. have the same prob
  • [20:19:00] <KotH> agmlego: still need to convince my boss that we need a customer in japan, so we can travel there on company expenses
  • [20:19:05] <Russ> mru, I love that 'But I spent two weeks writing this patch. You have to take it.???'
  • [20:20:51] <Russ> someone needs to redo this as a kernel patch submission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-v-f2mT94Y
  • [20:20:59] <Russ> 'oh dear, it took hours'
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  • [20:28:07] <_av500_> OWayne: this is not really the place for omapl138
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  • [20:30:37] <KotH> _av500_: is there one?
  • [20:31:02] <woglinde> av500 hm ti b2b forum?
  • [20:31:08] <woglinde> av500 I told him to ask here
  • [20:32:55] <_av500_> well l138 was hawkboard
  • [20:33:06] <_av500_> and we know ehere that went
  • [20:33:09] <_av500_> where
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  • [20:33:43] <_av500_> and I doubt anybody put any effort in it since 2.6 and some PSP back then
  • [20:34:30] <KotH> why wasnt the hawkboard a success? its specs were kind of neat
  • [20:34:48] <woglinde> everybody had a beagle
  • [20:34:58] <woglinde> so why buy another board
  • [20:35:56] <KotH> so, the beagle killed his own siblings
  • [20:36:51] <woglinde> hm and they did not had koen
  • [20:38:30] <_av500_> KotH: it had a fucked up sdram
  • [20:38:44] <_av500_> so most of the initial batch did not work
  • [20:38:51] <_av500_> then it was only arm9
  • [20:38:59] <_av500_> and a floating point dsp
  • [20:39:09] <_av500_> not really a r-pi killer
  • [20:39:38] <_av500_> and it had no koen
  • [20:40:30] <_av500_> omapl138 is omap only in name
  • [20:42:07] <mranostay> did the hawkboard ever get unfucked? :)
  • [20:43:12] <mranostay> that was a Mistral design right?
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  • [20:43:58] <_av500_> no idea
  • [20:44:01] <_av500_> I dod not follow it
  • [20:44:06] <_av500_> since I never got my free board
  • [20:44:16] <mranostay> heh
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  • [20:47:21] <OWayne> ok, thanks guys. I see what I can do. Just wanted to double check there was nothing out there. Don't want to reinvent the wheel as they say
  • [20:48:41] <mranostay> everyone does
  • [20:48:55] <mranostay> and mine is rounder
  • [20:50:12] <mdp> EV3 is the new hawkboard
  • [20:50:23] <mdp> comes with a case
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  • [21:04:47] <ds2> Mmmmm whitecastles
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  • [21:06:12] <_av500_> mdp: but that is not l138?
  • [21:06:16] <koen> KotH: the hawkboard people were like "We're going to have everything seperate from beagle and we can do everything on our own"
  • [21:06:33] <ds2> and a fine job they did on their own
  • [21:06:35] <koen> KotH: and then they found out that the hawkboards blow themselves up due to bad hw design
  • [21:06:38] <mranostay> ds2: we are have a Harold in here by chance? :)
  • [21:06:55] <ds2> I am particular fond of the excellent choice in memory layout.
  • [21:07:03] <ds2> It is so much better then POP
  • [21:07:04] <_av500_> ds2: did it have nand?
  • [21:07:14] <mranostay> koen: *ahem* Mistral *ahem*
  • [21:07:17] <ds2> _av500_: I think it might
  • [21:07:17] <KotH> koen: oh.. NIH has always being helpfull in new designs :)
  • [21:09:49] <_av500_> koen: what is a little blown up between friends
  • [21:10:04] <koen> _av500_: I got free replacements
  • [21:10:12] <mdp> _av500_: correct, nobody needs a dsp
  • [21:10:39] <koen> fun fact: SATA on the hawkboard only works because it does *NOT* follow the TI spec for layout and analog parts
  • [21:10:51] <mranostay> hehe
  • [21:10:51] <KotH> wtf?
  • [21:10:56] <KotH> are the ti specs broken?
  • [21:11:03] <koen> the deviation from spec was unintentional
  • [21:11:09] <koen> KotH: no, silicon bug
  • [21:11:13] <KotH> lol
  • [21:11:34] <koen> hawkboard people kept insisting they followed the spec
  • [21:11:44] <koen> schematics proved them wrong
  • [21:12:04] <koen> but that still didn't lead to a solution I could hand to customers
  • [21:12:20] <koen> the confirmation that it was a silicon bug came a year later
  • [21:12:25] <_av500_> koen: btw, thanks for the archos endorsement earlier
  • [21:12:40] <koen> _av500_: the nexus7 one?
  • [21:12:59] <koen> or the driver one?
  • [21:13:09] * koen forgets which part of archos he endorsed
  • [21:13:24] <_av500_> the driver one
  • [21:13:29] <koen> ah, right
  • [21:16:28] <mdp> koen, as a result of problems with usb, pm, and sata on past parts..we've eliminated them from all new SoCs
  • [21:16:53] <_av500_> make sense
  • [21:17:06] <_av500_> make a usb+sata+pm companion IC
  • [21:17:15] <_av500_> connected over i2c
  • [21:17:24] <_av500_> gigI2C
  • [21:17:28] <mdp> factory support is recommening bitbanging for that functionality
  • [21:17:34] <mdp> put the burden on the customer
  • [21:17:59] <koen> that chip used bitbanging for i2c as well
  • [21:18:08] <koen> a customer demanded "the dma version of i2c"
  • [21:18:16] <koen> that was a WTF moment
  • [21:18:37] <koen> sneaky PSP people pinmuxed the i2c pins to i2c and then used i2c-gpio
  • [21:19:17] <koen> mdp: about PM, the 1808 is very well suited for low power
  • [21:19:32] <koen> it was designed for that by the audio people
  • [21:20:07] <mdp> nevertheless, delivering features in a showstopper
  • [21:20:12] <koen> yes
  • [21:20:18] <koen> just set a launch date
  • [21:20:22] <koen> that's all you need
  • [21:20:37] <mdp> launch your codez into space
  • [21:20:49] <koen> spaceX keynote at elc
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  • [21:22:01] <_av500_> all the customer needs is an EVM with matrix GUI and a firm handshake
  • [21:22:09] <_av500_> ok, EVM is debatable
  • [21:22:50] <KotH> _av500_: is that how you work at archos? :)
  • [21:23:04] <_av500_> KotH: we never got the firm hadshake
  • [21:23:21] <KotH> they have cheated you!
  • [21:23:27] <_av500_> we are used to it
  • [21:23:36] <_av500_> we used preproduction silicon
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  • [21:26:21] <koen> _av500_: at TI UK we had an angstrom demo using the QT coverflow demo to show and launch apps
  • [21:26:33] <koen> _av500_: 6 months later they create 'matrix'
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  • [21:27:08] <koen> at one point I was told to stop mentioning are swipeable fake-3d demo and let the matrix people dig their own grave
  • [21:27:28] <koen> that matrix thing was a farce
  • [21:27:33] <_av500_> koen: were customers actually impressed?
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  • [21:37:40] <_av500_> guess not
  • [21:40:20] <mdp> cool..junkbox friday find #1: a Ricoh-based PCI->CardBus card with a Kyocera KPC650 3G card ... old school
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  • [21:43:12] <_av500_> very
  • [21:43:30] <_av500_> I have a CF 2G modem if you want, for your Zaurus
  • [21:44:03] <_av500_> dount it even does edge
  • [21:44:06] <_av500_> doubt
  • [21:44:27] <mru> gprs?
  • [21:44:35] <mdp> I sense nobody around you has an evdo card like I do ;)
  • [21:44:48] <koen> evdo doesn't work in .eu
  • [21:44:56] <mdp> koen, exactly..very good
  • [21:45:05] <mdp> hence...
  • [21:45:40] <koen> _av500_ might have one to test in his old products
  • [21:46:30] <_av500_> nope
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  • [21:47:24] <_av500_> i have this: http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/news/2001/01034.htm
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  • [21:47:47] <_av500_> ha, and it mentions Raj
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  • [22:00:41] <Crofton|work> The Dutch are weird: http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/watch-this-hilarious-video-of-men-experiencing-childbirth/
  • [22:04:30] <koen> yes we are
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  • [22:05:40] <XorA> could have shortened that to Dutch and still given same meaning :-D
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  • [22:06:36] <_av500_> in other news: http://gawker.com/5978945/german-soldiers-are-growing-boobs-on-one-side-of-their-bodies-oh-okay
  • [22:06:51] <_av500_> dunno if they experiecne childbirth too
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  • [22:08:13] <mdp> _av500_, picked up in .us news as, "Gun usage linked to man-boobs."
  • [22:09:51] <_av500_> mdp: yes, shooting to many intruders makes you a girl
  • [22:10:00] <_av500_> a real man uses a knife
  • [22:10:21] <XorA> a real man can deflect bullets with a knife :-D
  • [22:10:51] <mranostay> XorA: yeah you keep telling yourself that :)
  • [22:10:57] <mru> I've heard of men deflecting bulls...
  • [22:10:59] <mdp> a cleaver is most manly
  • [22:11:17] * XorA gets his 6ft by 4ft blade ready
  • [22:11:30] <_av500_> your nail clipper?
  • [22:11:44] <mranostay> they allow those on flights now
  • [22:11:51] <_av500_> Xoras?
  • [22:11:53] <mdp> cleavers?
  • [22:11:59] <mranostay> nail clippers
  • [22:12:07] <_av500_> or real ,en?
  • [22:12:09] <_av500_> men
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  • [22:12:34] <emeb> bulls
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  • [22:12:42] <mdp> mranostay, bummer, I already bought and left a pair in a deposit box in each city I travel to
  • [22:12:44] <mdp> darn
  • [22:13:03] <_av500_> I heard of a new may to make a weapon by combining several nail clipper inside the airplane
  • [22:13:27] <XorA> F**K
  • [22:13:38] <mranostay> I like to buy a vowel
  • [22:13:44] <mranostay> a U please
  • [22:13:51] <XorA> now UK police will ground all flights so save them going to work
  • [22:13:54] <XorA> like last time
  • [22:14:24] <emeb> comes the day - all airline passengers will have to change into tyvek gowns provided by the TSA.
  • [22:14:32] <mranostay> mru: that is a lot of alcohol
  • [22:14:33] <mdp> ok, so I get a classic friday SMS, "What's an Abbey Ale?"
  • [22:14:34] <_av500_> XorA: your icelandic neighbours did that more effectively
  • [22:14:48] <mdp> and I so wanted to mention Google instead of answering
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  • [22:15:02] <mru> mdp: usually pretty good
  • [22:15:07] <XorA> _av500_: yeah, eat enough fermented shark and look what happens :-D
  • [22:15:18] <mdp> mru, indeed, I said, "get that, trust me"
  • [22:15:21] <mdp> ;)
  • [22:15:30] <_av500_> emeb: if I could spend a flight lying down and sleeping in a straightjacket I maybe would
  • [22:15:48] <mru> mranostay: one of those is 58%
  • [22:16:03] <emeb> _av500_: that sounds comfortable, so probably unlikely.
  • [22:16:05] <_av500_> mru: impossible, the bottle is not large enough
  • [22:16:07] <XorA> _av500_: coffin flights, like coffin hotels?
  • [22:16:12] <_av500_> yep
  • [22:16:32] <mru> _av500_: indeed it was not
  • [22:16:36] * emeb saw a concept article about that in Aviation Leak a few years ago.
  • [22:17:01] <_av500_> remove all the seats and put layers of hammocks
  • [22:17:08] <XorA> could make stop offs on the way just by ejecting coffin with parachute
  • [22:17:20] <mranostay> _av500_: that would make landings fun
  • [22:17:25] <XorA> Ryanair tried to get standing room only flights approved
  • [22:17:34] <mru> brings a whole new meaning to the term coffin dodger
  • [22:17:36] <emeb> _av500_: passengers would get in the coffins in the terminal and be loaded on board like cargo.
  • [22:17:39] <mranostay> XorA: heh really?
  • [22:17:43] <_av500_> XorA: yeas, standing in the luggage compartment
  • [22:17:46] <XorA> mranostay: yes
  • [22:18:03] <_av500_> well, they offered hand rails
  • [22:18:06] <mranostay> this isn't a bus :)
  • [22:18:08] <_av500_> fair deal
  • [22:18:09] <XorA> mranostay: most of their flights are 1hr
  • [22:18:25] <mru> ever been on the tokyo metro?
  • [22:18:34] <_av500_> XorA: can I bring a bike on the plane? and a pram?
  • [22:18:41] <XorA> _av500_: it was probably an extra 10GBP for a handrail section :-D
  • [22:18:47] <_av500_> XorA: right
  • [22:18:47] <mru> pay the driver
  • [22:19:00] <_av500_> is there a line to pull for a stop?
  • [22:19:13] <mru> or do they do it london style?
  • [22:19:17] <_av500_> connected to a bell in the cockpit
  • [22:21:13] <alan_o> what does bonelt mean in the context of dts files?
  • [22:21:42] <koen> the old name for the new board
  • [22:21:50] <_av500_> alan_o: how is that airplane related?
  • [22:21:57] <koen> our sw team was faster than the mktg team
  • [22:22:03] <mranostay> hey alan_o don't bring us on-topic
  • [22:22:04] <alan_o> _av500_: I took my bone on an airplane once?
  • [22:22:18] * mranostay calls police on alan_o
  • [22:22:22] <XorA> alan_o: and your just getting out of jail?
  • [22:22:48] <alan_o> mranostay: hehe, I hadn't read the log, but there was a 2-minute silence, which is about 60 times more than you need in ham radio :)
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  • [22:23:02] <_av500_> hmm, ham
  • [22:23:13] <XorA> hrr hrr, he said log
  • [22:23:31] * mranostay hands _av500_ some SPAM
  • [22:23:40] <_av500_> nice
  • [22:24:09] <alan_o> koen: so the new board is a6?
  • [22:24:16] <alan_o> koen: or something newer
  • [22:24:22] <_av500_> mine says a4
  • [22:24:25] <_av500_> i think
  • [22:24:35] <mru> a4 here
  • [22:24:47] * alan_o has an a5
  • [22:24:56] <mru> a5 of what?
  • [22:25:04] <XorA> each release is 1/2 the size of previous?
  • [22:25:05] <mranostay> a6 here
  • [22:25:12] <alan_o> mru: of bone
  • [22:25:26] <mru> regular or the super-s3cr3t one?
  • [22:25:27] <mranostay> XorA: haha
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  • [22:26:11] <alan_o> mru: regular, I think, since I'm unaware of the super secret one
  • [22:26:28] <_av500_> you are not in #secretbone
  • [22:26:32] <mru> good, so it's still secret
  • [22:26:40] <_av500_> #skullandbone
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  • [22:27:14] <_av500_> mru: I put the fedex guy in the cellar
  • [22:27:21] <_av500_> told him its only for a few weeks
  • [22:27:44] <mru> not the beer cellar I presume
  • [22:27:49] <_av500_> nah
  • [22:28:01] <_av500_> the one with the leopard
  • [22:28:09] <mru> makes sense
  • [22:28:26] <mru> regular leopard or sphinx?
  • [22:29:27] <_av500_> std issue
  • [22:30:32] <mranostay> herpes?
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  • [23:17:07] <alexdavey> I'm having trouble SSHing into my beaglebone over usb. I'm on Mac OSX Lion, have installed the FTDI drivers, and can connect to it using screen, however when I try "ssh root@192.168.7.1" or (or 192.168.7.2, or beaglebone.local) it times out. I could ssh on my previous mac, and there was a "usb ethernet gadget" interface that isn't present now. Does anyone know what the problem might be?
  • [23:18:18] <coldsoup> you can't ssh over serial (that I know of). Use a terminal emulator like miniterm.py
  • [23:18:22] <alan_o> alexdavey: there's something on macs about ejecting vs unmounting the mass storage device
  • [23:18:57] <alexdavey> coldsoup: I'm using iterm2.
  • [23:19:19] <coldsoup> does mac have dmesg?
  • [23:20:49] <alexdavey> yes: http://pastie.org/5863633
  • [23:20:52] <coldsoup> oh, disambiguation... miniterm.py is a tool to communicate with serial ports. http://pyserial.sourceforge.net/examples.html
  • [23:21:31] <alexdavey> alan_o: I believe that is only for Mountain Lion; and it didn't recognise the command.
  • [23:23:02] <Russ> so, where can I get some clartitin?
  • [23:23:19] <Russ> its the weekend, and it's time to party
  • [23:23:20] <alan_o> Russ: Pharmacy?
  • [23:23:42] <alan_o> uhh... didn't realize that one was recreational....
  • [23:23:55] <Russ> they gave me a funny look when I asked for clar-ti-tin
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  • [23:24:40] <alan_o> there's a joke there.... and I'm not getting it (sorry:( )
  • [23:24:49] <Russ> thats ok :)
  • [23:25:11] <alan_o> I'll make sure to laugh extra hard at the next one :)
  • [23:27:59] <mranostay> Russ: yeah i never have those fun side effects
  • [23:28:59] <alan_o> mranostay: Trying to get my head around some of the new dt stuff in 3.8
  • [23:29:13] <Russ> clartitin, the latest recreational drug, quickly gaining popularity amongst linux kernel developers everywhere
  • [23:29:47] <alan_o> mranostay: looking at geiger cape, and really all of them, what's the dtbo?
  • [23:30:01] <alan_o> I can't seem to find a file with taht name.
  • [23:30:30] <mranostay> you have koen's vendor tree checked out?
  • [23:30:35] <mranostay> and 3.8 branch?
  • [23:30:40] <alan_o> yeah
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  • [23:30:51] <alan_o> looking at bone-common
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  • [23:31:19] <alan_o> whoa, it's not in there.
  • [23:31:19] <alan_o> ok
  • [23:31:21] <alan_o> it's in firmware
  • [23:32:02] <mranostay> ah how can RS-232 work if you don't have a ground wire connected?
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  • [23:32:23] <Russ> mranostay, ground loop
  • [23:32:26] <Russ> somewhere
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  • [23:33:19] <mranostay> ah great
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  • [23:35:24] <mranostay> Russ: that is bad right? :)
  • [23:36:06] <Russ> can cause all sorts of dysfunction
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  • [23:50:34] <mrpackethead_> trolls
  • [23:50:43] <mrpackethead_> the hobbits here
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