• [00:00:39] <mdp> different versions
  • [00:00:40] <XorA> the shipped bone will have come from OE
  • [00:00:58] <mdp> s/OE/magic/
  • [00:01:19] <XorA> u-boot is GPL?
  • [00:02:12] <mranostay> yes
  • [00:02:27] <XorA> follow the GPL offer that was included with bone then :-D
  • [00:02:52] <jakllsch> (where was that?)
  • [00:04:31] <XorA> sure mine came with a paper slip pointing to the sources
  • [00:04:44] <XorA> but I could be thinging of different device
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  • [00:18:37] <mranostay> XorA: almost beer o clock
  • [00:18:46] * XorA dances
  • [00:18:58] <mranostay> not for me at the salt mines
  • [00:19:17] <XorA> I shall think of the fallen soldier
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  • [00:20:58] <mrpackethead_> what are you rabbiting on about
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  • [00:26:49] <mdp> mranostay, the phrase is "Beer:30"...*sigh*
  • [00:26:56] * mdp provides exact steps
  • [00:30:07] <XorA> that implies your late for beer, and its never late for beer :-D
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  • [00:30:17] <mranostay> usually too early for beer
  • [00:30:29] <mranostay> but that only counts if you went to sleep :)
  • [00:30:59] <mranostay> drinking at 7a is okay if you started it at 11p the night before
  • [00:31:16] <mru> or 7p
  • [00:31:18] <mranostay> waking up and drinking at 7a is another story
  • [00:31:37] <mranostay> mru: 12 hours you have to be a master at pacing :)
  • [00:31:37] <mru> what of waking up and drinking at 7p?
  • [00:31:51] <mranostay> ah corner case
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  • [00:32:21] <mranostay> mru: so were you on holiday for the month?
  • [00:32:34] <mru> no
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  • [00:35:33] <mranostay> mru: hospital?
  • [00:37:14] <mru> no
  • [00:39:02] <mranostay> well anything inbetween is either less or more fun
  • [00:39:59] <mru> I can think of many things worse than hospital
  • [00:40:20] <mru> or worse than holiday, if that's how you view the scale
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  • [00:56:10] <mranostay> mru: trolling the holidays can be fun
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  • [01:08:16] <mrpackethead_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/22123_10151357841552661_20292598_n.jpg
  • [01:08:22] <mrpackethead_> not very exciting
  • [01:08:25] <mrpackethead_> but my first cape
  • [01:08:40] <mrpackethead_> the cape to help make more capes
  • [01:09:52] <mranostay> what does it do?
  • [01:09:55] <toneeee> nice job mrpackethead, good idea.
  • [01:10:28] <mrpackethead_> its just some buffering and some logic to stop dumb programming from blowing up things
  • [01:10:41] <mrpackethead_> its going to control 4 Fets in a H bridge
  • [01:11:03] <mrpackethead_> which i am using to control a copper electroplatting tank
  • [01:11:17] <mrpackethead_> for making the throughhole vias
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  • [01:11:32] <toneeee> ohhhh the 540 is very versatile though
  • [01:13:13] <mrpackethead_> i'll take the PWM source, pass it through a 3db/octave LP filter (knee at 4khz)..
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  • [01:13:52] <mrpackethead_> that gives me a DC voltage level thats useful for controlling the current through the FET
  • [01:14:25] <mrpackethead_> hopefully this might be the last board i have to solder wires though.
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  • [01:24:01] <Crofton|work> it would be amusing to sponsor the massage parlor or the attendee lounge under the troll brand
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  • [01:25:57] <mranostay> is it too late?
  • [01:26:45] <mrpackethead_> the trolls in the hobbit were quite amuzing
  • [01:26:47] <mrpackethead_> stupid.
  • [01:28:15] <mranostay> Crofton|work: Massage seems like a anti-harassment policy voilatation :)
  • [01:28:31] <Crofton|work> dunno
  • [01:28:34] <Crofton|work> looks open
  • [01:28:40] <Crofton|work> maybe the lounger would be better
  • [01:28:47] <Crofton|work> although I would go for a massage
  • [01:29:55] <mranostay> Crofton|work: bronze level?
  • [01:30:18] <Crofton|work> 3K
  • [01:30:42] <mranostay> Add-On is the key word
  • [01:31:06] <Crofton|work> hmm, you think you need to be a sponsor first?
  • [01:31:23] <mranostay> i think so
  • [01:31:29] <mranostay> prpplague: can you confirm?
  • [01:31:45] <mrpackethead_> mranostay: if you sponsored, they wold probably you accept your presentation
  • [01:31:47] <prpplague> base sponsorship is 5k then you can alacart additional items
  • [01:32:14] <mranostay> mrpackethead_: they already did so don't need that
  • [01:34:47] <prpplague> robclark: can you forward me the datasheet on that nxp part?
  • [01:36:14] <XorA> prpplague: I was advertising your pet project to gabrbedd :-D
  • [01:36:31] <prpplague> uh oh
  • [01:36:34] <mranostay> Crofton|work: what would a troll logo look like?
  • [01:36:34] * prpplague wonders which one
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  • [01:36:47] <XorA> sigrok :-D
  • [01:37:27] <prpplague> mranostay: http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/sites/default/files/styles/logo-thumbnail/public/062011/trollface_hd.png
  • [01:37:30] <prpplague> XorA: ahh
  • [01:37:37] <prpplague> XorA: dandy
  • [01:39:20] <mranostay> prpplague: you think LF would return our cheque if we did that? :)
  • [01:40:36] <prpplague> hehe i doubt it, as long as we dotted the I's and crossed the T's
  • [01:41:46] <mranostay> you could almost do a troll raffle for the conference passes :P
  • [01:41:57] <prpplague> hehe
  • [01:42:51] <mranostay> winners get to have dinner with _av500_ and mru
  • [01:43:30] <prpplague> and discuss ARM cache structures
  • [01:43:59] * XorA caches his arms on a shelf
  • [01:44:16] <XorA> not much structure in the pile though
  • [01:44:35] <prpplague> hehe
  • [01:45:23] <XorA> and the next shelf over is a cache of z80s
  • [01:49:07] <mranostay> old people in here
  • [01:49:09] <mranostay> :)
  • [01:49:29] <mru> who let the kid in?
  • [01:50:05] * XorA needs the exact steps to port linux to zx80
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  • [02:00:18] <mrpackethead_> because?
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  • [02:18:18] <gabrbedd> prpplague: Was working with a USBee DX and hated their software. So XorA suggested looking in to sigrok
  • [02:18:34] <prpplague> gabrbedd: ahh dandy!
  • [02:18:44] <gabrbedd> prpplague: he said, "but there's no GUI" -- as if that was a drawback.
  • [02:19:20] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:19:36] <prpplague> gabrbedd: there are some gui overlays for it, but its not very robust as of yet
  • [02:19:57] <mranostay> guis are for lusers :)
  • [02:23:03] <toneeee> hey over on #angstrom , coldsoup said I should come ask on here about DMTimers on the 3359??? has anyone written a DMTimer userspace driver? I have looked all over googlish/forums/TI, etc etc but I bet I just didn't have the right kind of keywords???.
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  • [02:37:56] <cykon> does anybody know a good C / C++ USB library that would work on my Angstrom beagleboard?
  • [02:38:22] <cykon> I tried libusb but was having trouble getting it to cross compile
  • [02:39:22] * mranostay headdesks
  • [02:41:47] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:43:06] <alan_o> cykon: libusb does cross compile.
  • [02:43:11] <alan_o> Let me get you some exact steps
  • [02:43:14] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:43:26] <cykon> thanks
  • [02:43:35] <alan_o> https://github.com/signal11/hidapi/blob/master/README.txt
  • [02:43:41] <alan_o> if you go down to the cross compiling section
  • [02:43:58] <alan_o> So that document is for hidapi, but does document building libusb cross
  • [02:44:06] <alan_o> (because it's a requirement for hidapi)
  • [02:44:14] <mrpackethead_> nice, the board is underway
  • [02:44:17] <mrpackethead_> on the mill now
  • [02:44:22] <cykon> awesome, thanks
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  • [03:05:25] <aholler> toneeee: what do you want with dmtimer in userspace?
  • [03:05:50] <toneeee> oh hi aholler. typing now
  • [03:06:35] <aholler> ?
  • [03:07:02] <toneeee> aholler: I want to use it like this: set the timer to zero and to interrupt on a capture input event. start the timer. toss the interrupt out to userspace. get the interrupt in my program. go read the stopped counter register at my leisure
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  • [03:08:36] <toneeee> I was hoping to find something already done that essentially maps those beautiful omap timers out to sysfs. I might go write it myself.
  • [03:08:54] <toneeee> The functions are there, just not wired.
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  • [03:11:22] <aholler> sounds like a broken mixture between kernel (driver), realtime and userspace ;)
  • [03:11:34] <toneeee> yeah.
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  • [03:12:01] <toneeee> the problem is that userspace isn't realtime, right ? so the timer will stop on the capture event and I can read it whenever I want to
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  • [03:16:41] <aholler> so you are in need of a driver to solve your specific problem.
  • [03:19:26] <toneeee> Well that's the sum of it but I would rather have a generic driver that makes the timers work in userspace and use the generic driver than create a driver for my specific problem. That's no driver at all, it's just a hack.
  • [03:19:59] <aholler> linux/posix already has generic timers
  • [03:20:07] <toneeee> but not for the DMTimers
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  • [03:32:14] <toneeee> aholler: anyway, I wasn't asking someone to write a driver for me??? I was asking if it had been written already. The heavy lifting is already in the kernel in the form of the functions built to use the DMTimers for the clockevent and free-run timers. I might could write the driver myself by linking the kernel DMTimer functions to sysfs. I think DMTimers 6 & 7 are used for the video on the Beagleboard (but I have a beaglebone so th
  • [03:37:51] <toneeee> it's a good discussion though, thank you :D
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  • [03:45:39] <mranostay> ah beer
  • [03:46:57] <emeb_mac> a good beer is good indeed.
  • [03:47:25] <mranostay> trying a new one
  • [03:47:34] <mranostay> Beck's Sapphire
  • [03:47:47] <emeb_mac> true story - on the way to a movie tonight we were behind a Bud Light truck. I said something about being stuck behind a beer truck. The missus said "but it's not really beer".
  • [03:48:15] <mranostay> emeb_mac: good woman
  • [03:48:26] <emeb_mac> I am a lucky man.
  • [03:48:33] <mranostay> truely
  • [03:48:34] <toneeee> :)
  • [03:50:10] <mranostay> i think i may have one 6 pack of bud light in any apartment i've had
  • [03:50:20] <mranostay> and that was since my brother brought it over
  • [03:50:43] <emeb_mac> your brother needs an education.
  • [03:51:05] <mranostay> you have no idea :)
  • [03:51:14] <mranostay> he is my complete opposite
  • [03:53:07] <emeb_mac> my brother is and even more discriminating beer aficionado than I.
  • [03:54:39] <mranostay> this beer isn't bad at all
  • [03:56:33] <mranostay> emeb_mac: coming to ELC?
  • [03:56:59] <emeb_mac> mranostay: nah. gotta keep working the day job.
  • [03:57:25] <mranostay> ah same here
  • [03:57:48] <mranostay> hopefully i don't have to take PTO this time
  • [03:58:30] <mranostay> emeb_mac: no love for the CPLD cape there :)
  • [03:59:14] <mranostay> i sense some vote rigging on few of them though
  • [04:01:38] <emeb_mac> Nothing in the rules about stuffing the ballot box.
  • [04:01:50] <mranostay> hehe
  • [04:02:00] <mranostay> solar cape i doubt would be allowed by CCO
  • [04:02:19] <mranostay> changing 12V lead acid batteries :)
  • [04:08:21] <XorA> gabrbedd: I just prefer my waveforms not in hex, preferrable on a green CRT :-D
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  • [04:20:59] <mranostay> XorA: FF FF 00 00 FF FF !
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  • [04:23:16] <ka6sox> is that the 64 bit equiv of the f00f bug?
  • [04:26:13] <mranostay> ka6sox: popping into NorCal? :)
  • [04:27:11] <XorA> fat f00f
  • [04:31:03] <mranostay> hey now
  • [04:31:21] <mrpackethead_> nothign in the rules that say the likes mean anythign.
  • [04:33:42] <ka6sox> tommorrow 11:45 sunnyvale
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  • [04:44:03] <ka6sox> Mathilda Ave...
  • [04:49:21] <mranostay> gah platform_data is the problem here..
  • [04:50:24] <mrpackethead_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/545200_10151358130442661_1665476775_n.jpg
  • [04:51:36] <mrpackethead_> the first of many more to come..
  • [04:51:47] <emeb_mac> waltzing Mathilda.
  • [04:55:58] <KotH> moin
  • [04:59:32] <alan_o> mrpackethead_: so you can do that in your house?
  • [04:59:40] <mrpackethead_> can do what?
  • [05:00:28] <alan_o> make that board
  • [05:00:32] <mrpackethead_> yes.
  • [05:00:49] <alan_o> What kind of equipment do you have ?
  • [05:00:54] <mrpackethead_> and this board is to help improve capabilit
  • [05:00:58] <mrpackethead_> LPKF S63
  • [05:03:46] <alan_o> so maybe you can answer this
  • [05:03:55] <alan_o> how do you plate a via?
  • [05:06:01] <Russ> you mean the process?
  • [05:06:04] <Russ> electroplating?
  • [05:06:13] <alan_o> I guess.
  • [05:06:13] <XorA> ka6sox: I hope you know what people look like coz I dont :-D
  • [05:06:27] <alan_o> Russ: is that how it's done?
  • [05:07:23] <alan_o> Seems to me like it would be hard to make anything stick to the substrate
  • [05:07:29] <alan_o> since it's non-conductive
  • [05:07:33] <Russ> you can wick solder through it
  • [05:07:53] <Russ> I ask, youtube answers
  • [05:07:54] <Russ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTNuTv_IQp4
  • [05:10:03] <Russ> alan_o, really, I'd save yourself all the etching and chemicals and just go oshpark
  • [05:10:07] <Russ> probably 2 weeks
  • [05:10:19] <alan_o> oh, I'm not doing any at home :)
  • [05:10:29] <Russ> ?
  • [05:10:36] <Russ> who's doing it?
  • [05:10:40] <alan_o> It's just a curiosity
  • [05:10:53] <alan_o> mrpackethead_: is making boards.
  • [05:11:10] <Russ> ah, in the video the step happens before etching, but on real boards, it happens after etching
  • [05:11:18] <Russ> any hole that has copper touching it gets electroplated
  • [05:11:53] <ka6sox> XorA, I do
  • [05:12:05] <alan_o> hmm, so if the copper goes to the edge of the hole, the electroplating process will connect both sides through the hole?
  • [05:12:12] <alan_o> oh, here he says
  • [05:12:15] <alan_o> through hole activation
  • [05:12:17] <alan_o> that's the answer
  • [05:12:23] <alan_o> it does have to be conductive
  • [05:13:31] <XorA> ka6sox: *phew* so you guys can hunt me :-D
  • [05:14:14] <Gareth> calculus: ping
  • [05:16:31] <Russ> I think on many two layer processes, they plate before they etch
  • [05:17:13] <Russ> what's with the doodle?
  • [05:18:05] <alan_o> trying to figure it out :)
  • [05:20:14] <alan_o> oh
  • [05:20:16] <alan_o> Frank Zamboni
  • [05:20:21] <alan_o> when you lose, there's a button
  • [05:20:36] <alan_o> funny :)
  • [05:23:31] <alan_o> I have this guy who, I swear, sends all of his email through a ticket system of some kind
  • [05:23:42] <alan_o> There's never any reply context (or RE)
  • [05:23:54] <alan_o> he just starts typing and I'm supposed to remember what the last email was about
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  • [05:24:03] <alan_o> and all the emails have a case number in the subject
  • [05:24:22] <alan_o> Right when you think you've heard of everything.
  • [05:24:28] <mranostay> holy spamming alan_o
  • [05:25:06] <KotH> alan_o: i hope he pays you a lot :)
  • [05:25:25] * KotH wonders why anyone is bothering with doing his own pcb these days
  • [05:25:35] <KotH> especialy more than one layer..
  • [05:25:38] <alan_o> KotH: hehe
  • [05:27:03] <KotH> wtf.. this guy seriuosly uses HCl w/o any protection?
  • [05:27:23] <alan_o> What strength
  • [05:27:23] <alan_o> ?
  • [05:27:38] <alan_o> (as if I have any idea what to compare it to, so nevermind)
  • [05:27:43] <KotH> seems to be very diluted.. but still
  • [05:29:02] <KotH> i havent learned much in highschools chemistry classes, but one thing i did was: never handle any chemicals w/o protection unless you are 110% sure it's safe
  • [05:29:47] <mranostay> who is handling HCl?
  • [05:30:01] <KotH> 06:07 < Russ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTNuTv_IQp4
  • [05:31:45] <mrpackethead_> sorry i'm back
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  • [05:32:03] <mrpackethead_> the HCl content in the electrolyte is pretty minimal
  • [05:33:10] <mranostay> like drain cleaner minimal?
  • [05:33:37] <mrpackethead_> my electrolyte is 20L of 10% H2S04, about 20ml of 35% HCL, 1500g of CuS04.5H20, Some Polyehthlene Glycol and .4g of Janus Green B
  • [05:34:11] <mrpackethead_> the pcb, i'm actually making is for for my beagle controlled electroplater
  • [05:35:10] <mrpackethead_> you need to maintain constant current
  • [05:35:36] <mrpackethead_> and being able to supply PWM and reverse it
  • [05:35:39] <mrpackethead_> is really useful
  • [05:43:21] <KotH> mrpackethead_: why do you bother with making your own pcbs?
  • [05:43:28] * KotH has not done that since highschool
  • [05:43:33] <mrpackethead_> speed
  • [05:43:35] <KotH> and even then it was a mistake :)
  • [05:43:57] <mrpackethead_> development time is reduced.
  • [05:44:16] <KotH> do you have such a high development rate?
  • [05:44:40] <mrpackethead_> we have run 10 boards in a week
  • [05:45:31] <mrpackethead_> but i also live in a place where overnight pcbs are not really a reality
  • [05:46:40] <mrpackethead_> the cost of makign them is probalby higher than i can buy them
  • [05:53:00] <mrpackethead_> KotH: Was that a suitble answer
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  • [05:56:08] <alan_o> mrpackethead_: where do you live?
  • [05:59:51] <mrpackethead_> alan_o: New Zealand
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  • [06:01:42] <alan_o> Well, I'm on the other side of the world, where it's 1AM, so I will bid you all farewell. goodnight!
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  • [06:04:58] <KotH> mrpackethead_: yes, very suitable
  • [06:05:05] <KotH> mrpackethead_: and being a kiwi explains a lot :-/
  • [06:08:28] <mrpackethead_> we have spun a board in 2.5 hours
  • [06:08:43] <mrpackethead_> and have fixed a problem for a live show overnight.
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  • [06:12:32] <KotH> we usually fix such stuff with blue wires :)
  • [06:13:00] <KotH> most of the stuff we do cannot be hand produced anyways (with 0.1mm tracks and such)
  • [06:13:30] <KotH> and simple boards with only 2 layers are very rare around here
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  • [06:14:28] <mrpackethead_> i can mill 6/6 without any trouble
  • [06:15:08] <mrpackethead_> .1mm is pretty narrow
  • [06:15:12] <mrpackethead_> thats 4mil
  • [06:15:32] * mranostay watches his ELCE video
  • [06:16:17] * mranostay has to be drinking to listen :)
  • [06:17:01] <KotH> mrpackethead_: our standard rules are to use .2mm tracks :)
  • [06:17:13] <mrpackethead_> yes..
  • [06:17:21] <mrpackethead_> my DRC is normally set to 7/7
  • [06:17:37] <KotH> mrpackethead_: 0.1 when we are space limited, 0.3-0.5 for power (unless plane)
  • [06:17:46] <KotH> 7/7?
  • [06:17:56] <mrpackethead_> 7mil track, 7mil spacing
  • [06:18:29] <KotH> ah..
  • [06:18:44] <KotH> we just follow what eurocircuits and pcb pool can do in their standard processes
  • [06:18:51] <mrpackethead_> yup
  • [06:19:00] <KotH> every time they update their proces, we update our rules :)
  • [06:19:07] <mrpackethead_> whats your turn around time?
  • [06:19:10] <mrpackethead_> for board deliver?
  • [06:19:21] <KotH> and for the really tiny stuff, we have to use special pcb manufacturers anyways
  • [06:19:43] <KotH> eurocircuit is usally 5 work days, some times we go for 3
  • [06:20:13] <KotH> for a project i'm currently working at we got someone who does it in 1 day.. but it costs extra :)
  • [06:20:22] <KotH> (and it isn't a standard board either)
  • [06:20:44] <mrpackethead_> yup.. i just dont' want to wait 5 days
  • [06:20:47] <mranostay> KotH: don't you want to play with acid :)
  • [06:20:54] <mrpackethead_> its brain space dead for engineers
  • [06:21:04] <mrpackethead_> if they have to wait for 5 days
  • [06:21:05] <KotH> mranostay: i do that in the chemistry lab next semester
  • [06:21:14] <KotH> mranostay: lol
  • [06:21:15] <KotH> er..
  • [06:21:18] <KotH> mrpackethead_: lol
  • [06:21:26] <KotH> mrpackethead_: we have more than enough to do to fill that time :)
  • [06:21:31] <mranostay> KotH: you are attending college?
  • [06:21:40] <mrpackethead_> are you paying the engineers?
  • [06:21:45] * KotH is nearly always working on 2-4 projects in parallel
  • [06:21:56] <KotH> mranostay: nope, university
  • [06:22:11] <KotH> mrpackethead_: i'm the engineer who gets paid :)
  • [06:22:27] <mrpackethead_> i have improved engineering output of my staff by about 25% by stopping parrallel project development
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  • [06:22:45] <mrpackethead_> the time required for brains to swap between projects
  • [06:22:52] <KotH> juup, i know that
  • [06:23:08] <mrpackethead_> start somthing, keep working on it till its finished
  • [06:23:09] <KotH> the prob is, we have always a lot of dead time with projects
  • [06:23:16] <mranostay> KotH: yeah i wish i could attend school, work and have a life :)
  • [06:23:16] <mrpackethead_> yes.. waiting for PCB's
  • [06:23:17] <KotH> mostly because of suppliers who take their sweet time
  • [06:23:24] <mrpackethead_> PCB suppliers?
  • [06:23:30] <KotH> not only
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  • [06:23:33] <KotH> parts supplier
  • [06:23:36] <mranostay> won't happen at the salt mines here :)
  • [06:23:39] <KotH> assembly companies
  • [06:23:41] <KotH> etc pp
  • [06:23:59] <KotH> mranostay: well.. move to a non-3rd-world country
  • [06:24:34] <mrpackethead_> so, if i loose 400 hours per year per engineer due to dead time / wait time / multitask swap
  • [06:24:41] <mrpackethead_> do you know how much that costs me
  • [06:24:47] <mrpackethead_> a lot
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  • [06:25:19] <mrpackethead_> makes owning gear like an LPKF S63 and a hiring a workshop tech a pretty cheap proposition
  • [06:25:41] <KotH> mrpackethead_: on another project i'm working on (which is currently on hold, waiting for the customer) it took 3 months for 3 suppliers who should do the manufacturing of a small electronics part to tell me whether they are able to do it or not...
  • [06:25:55] <mranostay> KotH: US is a 3-rd world country? :)
  • [06:26:03] <mrpackethead_> 4th
  • [06:26:10] * mranostay rolls eyes
  • [06:26:20] <KotH> mranostay: from what i hear rather 4th or 5th
  • [06:26:21] <mranostay> if either of you have jobs i will accept :P
  • [06:26:29] <mrpackethead_> no-one else is bank rupt as the USA
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  • [06:26:37] <KotH> mranostay: i'm not manager :)
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  • [06:26:49] <mranostay> KotH: know one? :)
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  • [06:26:59] <mrpackethead_> i am not a manager eitehr.
  • [06:27:03] <mrpackethead_> i pay a manager
  • [06:27:09] <mrpackethead_> i am a leader
  • [06:27:29] <mrpackethead_> i coukd'nt manage myself out of a paper bag
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  • [06:28:27] <mranostay> the company i work at tries to brainwash current grads :)
  • [06:28:56] <KotH> mranostay: yes, my boss :)
  • [06:29:07] <KotH> mranostay: but sorry, you've the wrong skills for us
  • [06:29:21] <mranostay> bah happens :)
  • [06:29:28] <KotH> mranostay: ofc, unless you have hidden EE skills and have experience in doing space grade electronics
  • [06:29:42] <mranostay> i do not have that level :)
  • [06:30:04] <mranostay> i will work for cheap is my only plus :P
  • [06:30:06] <mrpackethead_> space is easy.
  • [06:30:19] <KotH> mranostay: try these guys: http://scs.ch/
  • [06:30:22] <mranostay> space for .ch of course
  • [06:30:30] <mrpackethead_> you shoudl see what lampies do to gear
  • [06:30:34] <emeb_mac> space is easy. haha.
  • [06:30:41] <KotH> mranostay: they are nearly always looking for people who know linux in depth
  • [06:31:00] <mranostay> as long as i got get a few swiss girls that mind my ghetto wages :)
  • [06:31:09] <KotH> mrpackethead_: space is kind of easy, if you follow the rules
  • [06:31:18] <KotH> mrpackethead_: the problem starts when you cannot follow the rules anymore :)
  • [06:31:22] <mrpackethead_> everyting is easy , once you understand
  • [06:31:24] <mrpackethead_> the problem
  • [06:31:31] * emeb_mac spent the first 4 years of his career doing flight hw.
  • [06:31:47] <KotH> emeb_mac: my condolences
  • [06:31:51] * mranostay is scared to fly now
  • [06:31:59] <emeb_mac> KotH :)
  • [06:32:18] <emeb_mac> mranostay: flight hw != avionics
  • [06:32:33] <mrpackethead_> pity i did'nt ahve time to enter some capes in the contest
  • [06:32:49] <mrpackethead_> i'm sure an electroplating controller cape would have had increadbily wide appeal
  • [06:32:50] <mrpackethead_> :-)
  • [06:33:11] <mranostay> i will work for cheap if anyone can me a visa in EU or etc :)
  • [06:33:21] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead_: yeah - sell it to all the guys who plate baby shoes.
  • [06:34:31] <mrpackethead_> im just working on a sound / DMX / and general I/O card
  • [06:34:40] <mrpackethead_> to plug a beagle into
  • [06:42:27] <KotH> mranostay: i wouldnt be scared of flying
  • [06:43:07] <KotH> mranostay: the regulations to do flight hw are an order of magnitude more strict than for implants
  • [06:43:25] <mranostay> my boobs are ok as they are
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  • [06:52:08] <KotH> mranostay: if you continue drinking like this, you might need one of those: http://www.sequanamedical.com/ (yes, the electronics and most of the software is our development)
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  • [06:56:34] <mranostay> KotH: my question is will the watchdog reset the board randomly? :)
  • [06:57:33] * mranostay worked on xyz vendor who's product did that...
  • [07:00:00] <mranostay> KotH: i don't drink that much.. you can't use the conferences as a metric :)
  • [07:02:17] <mranostay> you don't drink at all iirc
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  • [07:19:31] <mrpackethead_> im serioulsy considering swapping PCB software
  • [07:20:05] <mranostay> mrpackethead_: what you use now?
  • [07:20:11] <mrpackethead_> Eagle
  • [07:20:39] <mranostay> that is what iuse
  • [07:20:42] <mranostay> *i use
  • [07:20:45] * av500 too
  • [07:20:51] <av500> I mean, 10ys ago :)
  • [07:20:56] <mrpackethead_> it runs natively on my mac
  • [07:21:02] <mrpackethead_> that was a driver
  • [07:21:17] <mrpackethead_> but its also what i knew
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  • [07:21:42] <av500> coworkers are all doing their hobby stuff in eagle
  • [07:21:55] <av500> might be also german patriotism :)
  • [07:22:12] <mranostay> av500: i'm part german does that count? :)
  • [07:22:18] <av500> of course
  • [07:22:32] <av500> show me pics in Lederhosen and you will be allowed in
  • [07:22:41] <Russ> geda pcb ftw
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  • [07:23:02] * emeb_mac is > 50% german and has pix in lederhosen. doesn't use eagle tho
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  • [07:23:16] <av500> emeb_mac: thus your are weird
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  • [07:23:28] <mranostay> my last name is only thing not german about me
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  • [07:23:48] <av500> anyway, all you need is a piece of clear sheet, a black marker and a steady hand.....
  • [07:23:53] <emeb_mac> mranostay: what is that last name anyway?
  • [07:24:08] <mranostay> emeb_mac: slovak... kinda :)
  • [07:24:11] <dm8tbr> or those rub off stencils
  • [07:24:17] <emeb_mac> av500: don't even need a sheet of plastic - draw right on the copper w/ sharpie
  • [07:24:18] <mranostay> it should be ranostaj
  • [07:24:32] <mranostay> but nobody got that at ellis island :)
  • [07:24:44] <emeb_mac> mranostay: americanization ftw. brombaugh <- brumbach
  • [07:25:19] <mranostay> i can almost bet i'm the only Matt Ranostay in the world with that spelling :)
  • [07:25:45] <emeb_mac> easy to google yourself
  • [07:26:02] <mranostay> yeah only me
  • [07:26:05] <av500> emeb_mac: no need for sharpie, use your hands to make shadows :)
  • [07:26:15] <emeb_mac> bunny!
  • [07:26:19] <av500> yep
  • [07:26:27] <av500> dual core, 2GHZ bunnies
  • [07:26:33] <av500> fine pitch
  • [07:26:39] <emeb_mac> just need to come up with a circuit that needs a bunny layout
  • [07:26:54] <av500> you know, Chuck Norris can stare burried vias into a PCB....
  • [07:27:36] <mrpackethead_> i wonder if its possible to convert orcad files into Eagle
  • [07:27:42] <emeb_mac> what happens when he stares at his breakfast?
  • [07:28:02] <emeb_mac> dang! buried vias in my cheerios again.
  • [07:28:13] <av500> :)
  • [07:28:22] <av500> ok, heading back home
  • [07:28:24] <av500> bbiab
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  • [07:30:29] <KotH> mranostay: the implant works pretty well. afaik we dont know of any software problems
  • [07:30:43] <mranostay> emeb_mac: funny thing is my grandfather had it as ranostaj on his birth cert still but went as ranostay for 60+ years :)
  • [07:31:32] <emeb_mac> change by default
  • [07:32:07] <mranostay> i've thought of changing back to the correct spelling
  • [07:32:30] <mranostay> basic paperwork really
  • [07:32:51] <KotH> mrpackethead_: why would you want to convert orcad files into eagle?
  • [07:33:08] <mrpackethead_> to save a lot of rework
  • [07:33:15] <KotH> mrpackethead_: that's like trying to convert a quark express file into ascii text
  • [07:33:30] <mrpackethead_> the netlists probalby are convertable
  • [07:33:47] <Russ> can orcad just import from gerber?
  • [07:33:50] <emeb_mac> or an animated GIF into asciimation.... :)
  • [07:33:50] <Russ> it'd be a bit of a mess
  • [07:34:28] <KotH> Russ: my 386 version of orcad could read gerber, but not work with them in any usefull way iirc
  • [07:34:57] <emeb_mac> wonder if you could import netlists?
  • [07:35:01] <KotH> dont know what the modern versions can do
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  • [07:37:13] <emeb_mac> zzzzz
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  • [07:37:43] <mranostay> how dare you sleep!
  • [07:38:58] <mrpackethead_> http://www.dyndy.net/bank/ <--- Free money
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  • [08:39:19] <panto> trolling assignment?
  • [08:41:04] <ngochai> Hi guys, I'm using a beagleboard xM with Ubuntu 11.10, some of my USB devices don't work and "lsusb -t" gives me http://pastebin.com/mgTW0awk
  • [08:41:45] <ngochai> the two "No such file or directory" lines are for the 2 devices that dont work
  • [08:42:12] <ngochai> any idea?
  • [08:42:35] <dm8tbr> check dmesg?
  • [08:44:48] <ngochai> dmesg doesn't show anything special: http://pastebin.com/EKFL9D4i
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  • [08:46:38] <panto> what kind of devices are they?
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  • [08:47:29] <ngochai> one is Adus Xtion camera, the other is ueye camera
  • [08:47:38] <ngochai> Asus
  • [08:49:23] <panto> do other devices work plugged in the same port?
  • [08:49:36] <panto> and have you tried connecting them through a powered hub?
  • [08:50:05] <ngochai> I try a usb thumb driver on the same port, it works
  • [08:50:38] <panto> there may not be enough power
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  • [08:51:05] <panto> if they're two cameras I doubt it will power them both
  • [08:51:10] <ngochai> they are connected to a powered hub
  • [08:51:18] * panto shrugs
  • [08:51:32] <panto> driver problem then
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  • [09:10:29] <cykon> I'm using eclipse to write some code for my board in C, and everything is working ok -- however now I'm trying to get libusb working with it -- I'm using the 32 bit arm7 toolchain from the angstrom repo -- and when I built libusb I used "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi" as my host, however -- when I try adding it to my project in eclipse I get http://pastebin.com/UXpieSYZ
  • [09:11:43] <cykon> It says it's incompatible... but I mean... it should totally be compatible, since they're both using the same toolchain... right? :(
  • [09:11:59] <Russ> are you sure that libusb cross compiled
  • [09:12:07] <Russ> did you check the object format of the library?
  • [09:13:33] <cykon> I can't say I have, I'm pretty new to cross compiling -- this is the config I ran when compiling it
  • [09:13:35] <cykon> "./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi --prefix=$HOME/Desktop/test"
  • [09:13:42] <aholler_> file /home/cykon/Desktop/test/lib/libusb-1.0.so
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  • [09:13:56] <cykon> right, what about it
  • [09:14:45] <aholler> execute that on the command line
  • [09:14:49] <cykon> kk
  • [09:15:18] <cykon> "/home/cykon/Desktop/test/lib/libusb-1.0.so: symbolic link to `libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0'"
  • [09:15:56] <Russ> ???and then
  • [09:16:05] <cykon> yeah one sec
  • [09:16:38] <cykon> "libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0xeefe53b5e461f7c7fd91ba79ed2d00d37a31252f, not stripped"
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  • [09:16:47] <Russ> well there you go
  • [09:16:48] <cykon> Intel... hmmmmm
  • [09:16:52] <cykon> yeah
  • [09:16:53] <cykon> well then
  • [09:17:20] <cykon> hmm... I wonder why it didn't take my args
  • [09:17:39] <Russ> read through the configure output
  • [09:17:47] <cykon> sounds like a plan
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  • [09:18:44] <_av500_> dm8tbr: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/01/16/the-end-of-embedded-linux-as-we-know-it-elce-2012
  • [09:19:39] <dm8tbr> av500: duuuuuuuuuh, ok. major fail of not checking previous talks.
  • [09:20:03] <_av500_> I missed that one too
  • [09:20:18] <_av500_> though I se eno shortage of "previous" talks being accepted
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  • [09:22:52] <_av500_> wrtite it up, I guess dm8tbr will want that on openaos.org
  • [09:23:31] <dm8tbr> _av500_: echan ;)
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  • [09:23:50] <_av500_> well
  • [09:23:54] <_av500_> you got the message
  • [09:23:56] <_av500_> ah no
  • [09:25:00] <mrpackethead_> ah yes
  • [09:25:12] <_av500_> ah well
  • [09:25:59] <Russ> oi, I wish the rtc section of the am335x trm was more specific
  • [09:26:05] <Russ> 'The alarm interrupt can be generated when the time set into TC ALARM registers is exactly the same as in the TC registers.'
  • [09:26:39] <Russ> so if it 04:45:33, and you write 04:45:33, will an alarm be generated, or do you have to write 04:45:34, and wait for the second to advance
  • [09:27:46] <aholler> koens rule #3
  • [09:27:52] <panto> Russ, depends if it generates the alarm on the change or checks every time
  • [09:28:01] <Russ> I know, it doesn't really say
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  • [09:28:05] <Russ> it's time, for SCIENCE
  • [09:30:22] <cykon> This should be correct -- right?
  • [09:30:24] <cykon> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
  • [09:30:25] <cykon> checking host system type... arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi
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  • [09:31:22] <Russ> cykon, you need to see what gcc it chooses
  • [09:32:18] <cykon> checking for gcc... gcc -- so I suppose the standard one that's installed
  • [09:32:30] <panto> http://www.int33h.com/test/mi/
  • [09:32:31] <cykon> Which -- shouldn't be the right one
  • [09:32:50] <_av500_> Russ: is the alarm leve or edge triggered?
  • [09:32:54] <_av500_> level*
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  • [09:34:08] <Russ> I'm not really sure
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  • [09:34:20] <Russ> I have this fun tidbit too 'Enable one interrupt when the alarm value is reached (TC ALARM2 registers) by the TC registers'
  • [09:34:33] <Russ> its not the interrupt I'm really interested in though
  • [09:35:20] <Russ> its a 'pmic_power_en' 'ON ??? OFF (Turn OFF)' 'By ALARM2 event'
  • [09:36:27] <_av500_> Russ: 1,2,3,GO or go ON 3?
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  • [09:36:43] <Russ> exactly
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  • [09:36:51] <Russ> I'm doing a test???
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  • [09:38:13] <aholler> reads like he's more interested in nogo
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  • [09:39:48] <aholler> I would first set alarm time then set the time to the same
  • [09:40:29] <_av500_> 18% of my linkedin network changed jobs
  • [09:40:32] <aholler> otherwise the time might move forward ust ahead the set alarm time
  • [09:41:32] <aholler> _av500_: to shepherds?
  • [09:41:32] <dm8tbr> _av500_: from 'archos' to 'other'?
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  • [09:41:57] <_av500_> dm8tbr: I guess its a lot of TI people
  • [09:42:44] <_av500_> ah, its for 2012 in general
  • [09:42:48] <_av500_> not just today :)
  • [09:43:25] <dm8tbr> :)
  • [09:44:37] <dm8tbr> btw: where does it show that?
  • [09:45:29] <dm8tbr> or is that one of those 'pro' features? ;)
  • [09:45:33] <cykon> Ah! So I hadn't sourced the file to enable me to use the arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc command -- I did that and it seems to be using that now, but it still lists Intel :(
  • [09:46:11] <Russ> did you do a make clean?
  • [09:46:29] <cykon> negative
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  • [09:48:05] <cykon> <3
  • [09:48:38] <Russ> gah, early signs are the check occurs at the rollover to the next second
  • [09:48:57] <Russ> which means at best, I may have to wait nearly a whole second for the action to occur
  • [09:49:23] <aholler> as said, try setting the time after setting the alarm time
  • [09:49:29] <Russ> however, if the seconds count is 59, it can be a bit difficult to determine what the next second is, especially in assembly
  • [09:49:38] <Russ> but that screws with the time
  • [09:50:03] <aholler> but just for about how long you need to do that
  • [09:50:13] <Russ> during each suspend
  • [09:53:49] <aholler> it sounds like a wired way at all ;)
  • [09:54:04] <Russ> I know, for this suspend mode, I need ALARM2 to trigger
  • [09:54:18] <panto> Russ, do you need to suspend immediately?
  • [09:54:35] <panto> why not loop for (about a second max) till you see the seconds change
  • [09:54:54] <panto> then you'll have a whole second to do the operation
  • [09:55:04] <Russ> I'd have to wait up to two seconds unless I want to do crazy complex bcd calendar math in asm
  • [09:55:23] <Russ> I think you have it a bit backwards though
  • [09:55:27] <_av500_> you coan only suspend via alarm???
  • [09:55:31] <Russ> I have to wait for the seconds register to not be 59
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  • [09:55:50] <Russ> then add 1 to that tm and store it in alarm2
  • [09:56:02] <Russ> _av500_, for this suspend mode, yes
  • [09:56:09] <_av500_> and why this mode?
  • [09:56:21] <Russ> maximum power savings
  • [09:56:50] <_av500_> ok
  • [09:56:56] <_av500_> so real suspend only via alarm?
  • [09:57:00] <_av500_> weird
  • [09:57:07] <Russ> I can do other suspend states with the m3
  • [09:58:04] <aholler> Russ: you have to set the time after alarm time for immediate suspend otherwise the following might happen: read time - (time advances) - set alarm time (a race condition)
  • [09:58:43] <Russ> aholler, if it would suspend on alarm == time, it isn't a problem
  • [09:58:50] <aholler> it is
  • [09:58:50] <Russ> if you set it, then don't suspend, you just do it again
  • [09:59:24] <aholler> ah, ok, workaround ;)
  • [10:02:24] <_av500_> its called a scheme :)
  • [10:03:19] <aholler> ust setting that alarm-bit isn't possible?
  • [10:05:02] <Russ> hmm
  • [10:05:05] <Russ> let me look into that
  • [10:05:54] <Russ> writing 1 clears the interrupt
  • [10:10:01] <_av500_> here is a guy that makes Nixie tubes: http://www.youtube.com/user/glasslinger
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  • [10:16:39] <koen> yes
  • [10:16:56] <koen> the SYS_5V (or the VDD_5V, I always confuse the 2)
  • [10:17:02] <koen> check the battery cape schematics
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  • [13:44:00] <bradfa> Russ, regarding the pmic_power_en via ALARM2, my tests showed it's on clock advance that the registers are checked to see if they match
  • [13:44:24] <bradfa> if you're doing this from Linux, you should be able to leverage some of the rtc subsystem to add 1 second to a time
  • [13:44:37] <bradfa> otherwise you get to do fun maths, or fail at roll overs :)
  • [13:44:42] <bradfa> and then try again
  • [13:44:45] <bradfa> as it seems you've found
  • [13:45:19] <bradfa> Russ, word of warning, if you're trying to get to TPM65217 SLEEP state with first rev AM335x silicon (aka, what's on the market today) it won't work due to clock crossing errata on the am335x silicon
  • [13:45:24] <bradfa> within the rtc module
  • [13:45:49] <bradfa> I'm told that will be fixed, real soon now :)
  • [13:48:05] * bradfa is giddy! fedex brings present today!
  • [13:48:32] <mru> it left memphis?
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  • [13:51:06] <woglinde_> mru is back yeah
  • [13:51:56] <bradfa> mru, irving tx -> grove city OH -> Henrietta NY
  • [13:52:00] <bradfa> no memphis it seems
  • [13:52:33] <mdp> grove city! ;)
  • [13:52:45] <bradfa> mdp, represent!
  • [13:52:49] * mdp recognizes that delivery hub
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  • [14:02:14] <mru> hmm, elc registration offers a custom field on the name badge...
  • [14:02:36] <wmat> mru: I put "IRC==wmat" on mine
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  • [14:20:55] <koen> ka6sox: 3.8-rc3 based: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.01.16.img.xz
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  • [14:38:56] <jsabeaudry> panto, I'm getting a wierd issue on v13, as soon at my bbone becomes idle, it dies completely
  • [14:39:09] <jsabeaudry> panto, are you getting something similar?
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  • [15:04:08] * bradfa does a little dance, fedex arrived!
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  • [15:05:25] <mdp> bradfa, proof that hardwarebug.org is like episodes of Seinfeld, there's a quote for each situation in life: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/125
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  • [15:06:01] <ka6sox> koen: Thanks!
  • [15:06:47] <bradfa> mdp, good point! http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/123 applies to NY gun law now, me thinks
  • [15:06:57] <bradfa> can't do that here anymore
  • [15:07:17] <mdp> heh
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  • [15:09:46] * bradfa thinks of pinocchio exclaiming, "I'm a real boy!" in regards to uarts now on my desk :)
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  • [15:36:24] <mranostay> hi mr kkeller
  • [15:36:35] <kkeller> morning mranostay
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  • [15:47:10] <jsabeaudry> github.com/beagleboard/kernel @ 3.8 is broken, here is the patch to fix it: http://pastebin.ca/2303425
  • [15:47:56] <dm8tbr> good moaning, mranostay
  • [15:48:44] <mranostay> dm8tbr: tizen the world!
  • [15:49:15] <dm8tbr> absofunkinglutely
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  • [15:51:57] <mranostay> dm8tbr: your talk needed more cow^H^H^Htizen
  • [15:52:17] <dm8tbr> both!
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  • [15:55:50] <prpplague> ho ho ho
  • [15:55:54] <prpplague> merry freakin wednesday
  • [15:56:15] <mru> idea for talk: how to get a talk accepted at elc
  • [16:00:16] <_av500_> mru: or a talk about how to hold such a talk?
  • [16:00:52] <mranostay> more of a BoF i think
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  • [16:05:20] <dm8tbr> mranostay: you could make that a conference. A conference to prepare proposals for the real conference...
  • [16:07:22] <mdp> we should form a committee to plan this planning conference for the conference
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  • [16:07:54] <mdp> somebody should assign a task force to seek out qualified committee members
  • [16:08:04] <kkeller> shouldn't we have a planning meeting before that?
  • [16:08:35] <mdp> yeah, I think you are right
  • [16:08:59] <mdp> should we worry about execution?
  • [16:09:35] <kkeller> no we'll entitle everyone to act
  • [16:10:29] <Russ> bradfa, I'm aware of the errata
  • [16:11:13] <mranostay> Russ: did you get the memo?
  • [16:12:46] <Russ> yes
  • [16:12:52] <Russ> now I have to choose keywords
  • [16:13:06] <Russ> TIZEN TIZEN TIZEN
  • [16:14:45] <dm8tbr> mdp: btw, if you feel like karma whoring. DevBot is now parked here and has a karma module. As an aside it can also produce neatly formatted irclos if desired.
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  • [16:16:22] <bradfa> Russ, what are you trying to do with the low power modes? (I'm just curious)
  • [16:16:42] <mdp> conserve power?
  • [16:16:45] <Russ> yes
  • [16:16:54] <bradfa> :P
  • [16:16:57] <mdp> crazy talk
  • [16:17:36] <mdp> dm8tbr: oh goodie. a new distraction...I lack enough of those.
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  • [16:18:23] <panto> jsabeaudry, no
  • [16:19:43] <jsabeaudry> panto, I'm testing and I have the same issue on beagleboard/kernel @ 3.8, this is going to be hard to debug as everything breaks including the serial
  • [16:20:09] <jsabeaudry> So far I can reproduce the issue on 2/2 bbones
  • [16:20:14] <panto> what issue?
  • [16:20:26] <jsabeaudry> bbone dies
  • [16:20:57] <jsabeaudry> all the leds turn off, serial link breaks, nothing in console,
  • [16:21:18] <panto> are you powering up from USB or with the DC power jack?
  • [16:23:48] <jsabeaudry> from USB, :) I'm currently seraching for my AC adapter see if I can repro on that
  • [16:24:05] <panto> if I have to guess you're out of juice
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  • [16:25:08] <jsabeaudry> The my PC cuts it or my bbone try to consume too much of it? never had such issue on 3.2.x
  • [16:26:02] <panto> try to use the DC jack
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  • [16:39:26] <jsabeaudry> DC jack is going good so far, is the power management broken in 3.8?
  • [16:39:56] <panto> there might not be enabled in the config
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  • [16:40:23] <panto> but don't expect the same power management completeness in a devel kernel
  • [16:40:47] <panto> if you care about silicon features enablement you should stick to the vendor supplied (and tested) kernel
  • [16:43:29] <mdp> in theory, that's true ;)
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  • [16:44:17] <mru> make a list of features you need, then find a kernel that supports as many of them as possible
  • [16:44:26] <mru> if you're lucky, you'll reach 50%
  • [16:44:26] * panto is iterating the *official line*
  • [16:45:16] <mdp> if you eliminate "boots" from your requirements list, it's easier to get a kernel that meets your needs
  • [16:48:13] <_av500_> socks should be enough
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  • [16:51:04] <bradfa> mdp, I'll take builds without errors
  • [16:51:09] <aholler> russian soldiers just are getting them instead of "Portyanki"
  • [16:51:59] <panto> bradfa, don't be a wuss, everyone loves fixing broken kernel builds - especially paying customers
  • [16:52:17] <bradfa> panto, true true
  • [16:52:38] <panto> it's that special attention to detail that gets you
  • [16:52:47] <bradfa> panto, that's why I love TI :)
  • [16:52:54] <panto> we never do that!
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  • [16:53:03] <_av500_> aholler: stop reading fefe
  • [16:55:53] <brainuee> i have a problem on beagleboard xm........... perhaps i short circuited 5 volt pin to gpio pin for a moment, and after sometime, i reset it 2nd time, then it is showing: Beagle xM Reading boot sector Loading u-boot.bin from mmc
  • [16:55:57] <brainuee> plz help me
  • [16:56:57] <_av500_> pastebin full boot log
  • [16:57:09] <_av500_> and keep calm
  • [16:59:12] <brainuee> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.5.0 (Mar 27 2011 - 17:37:56) Beagle xM Reading boot sector Loading u-boot.bin from mmc
  • [16:59:50] <brainuee> i will now write manually, as copy-paste is not working]
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  • [17:00:05] <ogra_> use a pastebin
  • [17:00:08] <brainuee> Beagle xM
  • [17:00:15] <brainuee> reading boot sector
  • [17:00:32] <brainuee> loading u-boot.bin from mmc
  • [17:01:05] <brainuee> u-boot 2011.03-rc1-00000-g9a3cc57-dirty (Apr 01 2011 - 17:41:42)
  • [17:01:09] <mdp> bradfa, you can't even get that upstream ;)
  • [17:01:24] <brainuee> OMAP3630/3730-GP ES2.1, CPU-OPP2, L3-165MHz, Max CPU Clock 1 Ghz
  • [17:01:45] <brainuee> OMAP3 Beagle board + LPDDR/NAND
  • [17:01:47] <jsabeaudry> brainuee, pastebin.com
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  • [17:09:07] <brainuee> i have pased on paste bin,,,,,,,,,title is 'by brainuee'
  • [17:09:26] <brainuee> is my paste visible ?
  • [17:09:36] <ogra_> you need to paste the url to it here
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  • [17:14:24] <brainuee> http://pastebin.com/FHvcz2y9
  • [17:14:53] <brainuee> paste is the output of beagleboard xm when i booted it
  • [17:15:55] <brainuee> earlier it was working fine, but sudenly it started showing this,,, prior to this, i had shortcircuited 5 volt pin and gpio pin of board for a fraction of second
  • [17:16:02] <aholler> try rebuilding the sd-card
  • [17:16:18] <ogra_> looke like filesystem corruption or a bad uImage file
  • [17:16:18] <aholler> or at least verify the card using a pc
  • [17:17:37] <brainuee> i dont know to rebuild because it had come with board only.
  • [17:17:55] <brainuee> @aholler, how to verify the card using a pc?
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  • [17:18:29] <brainuee> earlier every thing was fine, then how suddenly bad uimage file can occur?
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  • [17:20:53] <brainuee> please help me in detail, if possible
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  • [17:22:26] <ogra_> mount the SD on a PC and inspect it, or create a new SD using one of the tools out there ...
  • [17:22:44] <ogra_> google likely has the details :)
  • [17:25:54] <brainuee> can i do something with nand memory of beagleboard xm,,,,,, i saw somewhere,, that if some garbage comes in nand memory, then it does not read sd card? can this be the case?
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  • [17:31:11] <aholler> xm doesn't have nand
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  • [17:39:59] <jkridner> koen: I'm not seeming to have any problems with USB gadget on 3.7
  • [17:40:13] <jkridner> I don't know the mechanism to load the composite driver.
  • [17:40:17] <jkridner> I'll take a look around the web.
  • [17:42:55] <mdp> google should have the details
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  • [17:47:54] <jkridner> DocBook. Yikes! :(
  • [17:48:13] <jkridner> why couldn't Brownell just update Documentation/usb/...txt :(
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  • [17:53:39] <mranostay> hi jkridner!
  • [17:53:46] <jkridner> hi mranostay
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  • [17:59:30] <mranostay> jkridner: going to SCaLE or ELC?
  • [18:00:01] <jkridner> ELC
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  • [18:02:07] * jkridner feels no more love from #beagle
  • [18:03:16] <mranostay> ok everyone jkridner needs a group hug!
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  • [18:06:48] * jkridner gives a smile of adoration
  • [18:06:53] <mranostay> panto: er for what letting him hug you?
  • [18:07:22] <panto> hey, the lawyer said there's a chacne
  • [18:07:24] <panto> *chance
  • [18:07:52] * mranostay opens Creeper Card pdf and hits print
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  • [18:14:46] <jkridner> wow, Brownell's initial gadget.tmpl was a useless read. :(
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  • [18:23:29] <wmat> jkridner: well, he's not exactly around anymore to update it :(
  • [18:24:05] <jkridner> yeah. :'(
  • [18:24:34] <jkridner> still odd tp me a bit that he's gone.
  • [18:24:38] <jkridner> s/tp/to/
  • [18:24:40] <XorA> morning
  • [18:24:45] <jkridner> hi XorA
  • [18:26:33] <wmat> jkridner: I never met the man, but I always find it odd when I find out a hacker is deceased after I delve into their work for one reason or another. Brownell also worked on the initial implementation of OpenOCD, I believe.
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  • [18:29:39] <jkridner> He's the first one I knew about doing any upstreaming effort on TI Davinci parts---after some of his work on OMAP.
  • [18:29:54] <jkridner> I didn't get to interact with him as much as I'd have liked.
  • [18:33:03] <bradfa> grrr, hangs at "Freeing init memory" :(
  • [18:33:24] <bradfa> maybe systemd can fix this?
  • [18:41:03] <mrpackethead_> what did i miss while i slept.
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  • [18:58:17] <djlewis> mrpackethead_: six sunrises and 5 sunsets
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  • [19:13:02] <brainuee> when i turn on beagleboard xm without sd card, then it shows only 60 with some garbage things on its serial terminal, does it mean that my board is dead, and i should send it for rma process
  • [19:13:04] <brainuee> ?
  • [19:13:22] <Russ> it can't boot without an SD card
  • [19:13:37] <Russ> what behavior are you expecting?
  • [19:14:54] <mranostay> Russ: except the few with NAND that we deny here :)
  • [19:14:59] <brainuee> i dont know, somewhere i read this, that 's what i m asking.i f anyone uses beagle xm, then he can tell me as if i m right or not, by seeing on his beagleboard xm
  • [19:15:14] <mrpackethead_> is there NAND for bone?
  • [19:15:15] <mranostay> where is there SD cat that came with it?
  • [19:15:20] <Russ> the beagle is telling you HALP!
  • [19:15:24] <Russ> send my boot codes!
  • [19:15:25] <mranostay> mrpackethead_: xm
  • [19:15:35] <mranostay> there are nand capes that don't work :)
  • [19:15:48] <mrpackethead_> ahh.. nand capes that don't work.
  • [19:15:59] <mrpackethead_> do we know what the "non-working problem" is
  • [19:16:26] <jsabeaudry> Anyone has a fix for "Reboot failed -- System halted" ?
  • [19:16:37] <mranostay> press the button
  • [19:16:50] <mranostay> fixed!
  • [19:16:54] <jsabeaudry> mranostay, a software fix
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  • [19:18:30] <ogra_> build a robot that presses the button
  • [19:18:34] <brainuee> when i use sd card then it shows following on screen. http://pastebin.com/FHvcz2y9
  • [19:19:10] <brainuee> so is there anyway to check as if beagle has gone dead, or is there any solution to fix it
  • [19:19:14] <Russ> looks like your SD card isn't partitioned properly
  • [19:19:37] <brainuee> earlier this card was working fine, but suddenly it started showing this
  • [19:19:37] <brainuee> \
  • [19:19:46] <brainuee> this card is original card
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  • [19:21:24] <brainuee> can it be the possibility that due to short circuitiing of pin for a moment, board stopped booting,,is there anyway to confirm the deadness of board?
  • [19:21:32] <brainuee> plz...plz.. help me
  • [19:21:57] <Russ> the board isn't dead, it's clearly reading u-boot from the SD card
  • [19:23:00] <mrpackethead_> begging.. its uncool
  • [19:23:09] <mrpackethead_> have you got anoteh SD Card?
  • [19:23:19] <mrpackethead_> try building a new image on it
  • [19:23:29] <mrpackethead_> and seeing if that works
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  • [19:24:11] <brainuee> i had copy of of the original card, that also not working and showing same image
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  • [19:24:24] <brainuee> how can both card get corrupted at once?
  • [19:24:27] <mrpackethead_> mranostay: very interested in finding out about a NAND solution for the beagle.. The SD card just worrys me
  • [19:24:50] <brainuee> can u give me a good link to make a new image?
  • [19:24:51] <mranostay> mrpackethead_: well you'd have to boot from the SD card in any case
  • [19:24:54] <Russ> both card? you have *a* card
  • [19:25:32] <mrpackethead_> its a long term worry.
  • [19:25:40] <Russ> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#SD_card_setup
  • [19:25:54] <mrpackethead_> got to run the machine for two hours a day, 365 days a year
  • [19:26:00] <mrpackethead_> mostly its reads
  • [19:26:10] <mrpackethead_> but.. its still an SD card.
  • [19:26:14] <mrpackethead_> :-(
  • [19:26:17] <mranostay> use a wear leveling filesystem
  • [19:26:22] <mranostay> or less crappy cards
  • [19:26:31] <mranostay> that Kingston one is junk
  • [19:26:42] <mrpackethead_> yes, those have been given to the kids.
  • [19:27:18] <mrpackethead_> my new ones wont' be supplied with cards, which is good
  • [19:28:57] <_av500_> so, FB goes ARM
  • [19:29:19] <dm8tbr> for the servers?
  • [19:29:20] <brainuee> i have 2 cards, other one was createad as just copy of original one by me
  • [19:29:21] <ogra_> its in linaro since a wile afaik
  • [19:29:30] <brainuee> how can both be corrupted?
  • [19:29:32] <_av500_> dm8tbr: yup
  • [19:29:34] <brainuee> at one time only?
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  • [19:30:18] <ogra_> how did you "copy" it ?
  • [19:31:16] <brainuee> i somehow copied, and my both cards were working fine
  • [19:31:32] <mrpackethead_> mranostay: so the Memory Expansion module from circuit co currently is not an iption
  • [19:31:38] <_av500_> dm8tbr: https://semiaccurate.com/2013/01/16/facebook-goes-arm-with-calxeda-like-semiaccurate-reported-2-years-ago/#.UPb-NujDg1k
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  • [19:37:26] <mrpackethead_> mranostay: do you happen to know if its ok to feed power back to the bone from a cape?
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  • [19:37:40] <mrpackethead_> rather than power it from the DC jack?
  • [19:38:32] <mranostay> that is what the battery cape does
  • [19:38:50] <mrpackethead_> yes, thats true.. i'll have a look at that
  • [19:39:02] <mrpackethead_> i want to use a DC/DC converter to run from 24V
  • [19:39:13] <mrpackethead_> which i will stack up
  • [19:39:35] <bradfa> mrpackethead_, yes, you can feed power from a cape, we do on custom cape with 6 to 64 V DC input on the cape
  • [19:39:41] <bradfa> just make sure it's 5V going into the bone ;)
  • [19:40:12] <_av500_> tegra4 was dropped by BMW due to missing openCL
  • [19:40:46] <bradfa> _av500_, need to bitcoin mine to pay for bimmer?
  • [19:41:07] <mrpackethead_> i wonder if bitcoin will ever be a real force
  • [19:41:09] <_av500_> well, surprising reason
  • [19:41:18] <_av500_> I mean, T234 are ok for android
  • [19:41:22] <mrpackethead_> or if the 'powers' will squash it
  • [19:41:25] <_av500_> but it seems BMW wants more
  • [19:41:32] <_av500_> mrpackethead_: it will squash itself
  • [19:41:51] <_av500_> its worse than gold stndard money
  • [19:41:52] <mrpackethead_> bitcoin, or freecoin or whatever
  • [19:42:00] <_av500_> gold you can mine to get more
  • [19:42:14] <mrpackethead_> what would prevent bitcoin from actually working
  • [19:42:34] <_av500_> it can work as long as there are real currencies
  • [19:42:42] <_av500_> t oexchange against
  • [19:42:46] <mrpackethead_> why cant' it be a real currency
  • [19:42:55] <_av500_> simple
  • [19:43:00] <_av500_> you cannot print money
  • [19:43:18] <mrpackethead_> money is only a value marker..
  • [19:43:28] <mrpackethead_> its got no inherant value itself
  • [19:43:36] <_av500_> its a promise
  • [19:43:42] <mrpackethead_> yes.
  • [19:43:47] <_av500_> so
  • [19:43:54] <mrpackethead_> so, its only a question of trust
  • [19:44:01] <_av500_> how can I promise you something that cryptographically cannot be proven
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  • [19:44:08] <_av500_> I cannot invent one BTC
  • [19:44:09] <mranostay> heh
  • [19:44:13] <_av500_> and lend to you
  • [19:44:16] <_av500_> as a bank
  • [19:44:30] <_av500_> I cannot even mine more coins to lend
  • [19:44:31] * reanguiano points out there is no crypto in paper money; seems to work fine
  • [19:44:39] <reanguiano> fiat money.
  • [19:44:39] <_av500_> reanguiano: exactly
  • [19:45:00] <_av500_> the us mint can mint the 1 trillion coin
  • [19:45:09] <reanguiano> Are you discusing currency because you are writing some finance platform on beagle?
  • [19:45:10] * mranostay hands reanguiano the channel required tin foil hat
  • [19:45:11] <_av500_> but it cannot mint the 1 trillion BTC
  • [19:45:33] <_av500_> you are back to a gold standard
  • [19:45:39] <_av500_> just worse, because gold could be mined
  • [19:45:43] * bradfa wonders if there's a market for bitcoin physical money, like with smart cards in them
  • [19:45:49] <_av500_> once all BTC are mined, there are no more
  • [19:46:06] <_av500_> bradfa: btc transactions need to be online anyway
  • [19:46:14] <bradfa> internet of things!
  • [19:46:15] <mranostay> _av500_: why some inflation is good :)
  • [19:46:19] <bradfa> internet of money?
  • [19:46:20] <_av500_> in order to be validated/trusted
  • [19:46:26] <_av500_> mranostay: exactly
  • [19:46:32] <_av500_> inflation is what is missing atm
  • [19:46:47] <mranostay> it gives you a reason not to hoard them all
  • [19:46:48] <_av500_> and you cannot inflate BTC
  • [19:46:57] <_av500_> since its not fiat money
  • [19:47:00] <bradfa> as I'm not up to speed on bitcoins, what is the incentive to check transactions once all the bitcoins are out in the wild?
  • [19:47:18] <bradfa> aren't checkers of transactions "mining" and get a little reward?
  • [19:47:47] * bradfa is much more interested in _av500_'s 1 trillion dollar coin than bitcoin
  • [19:48:13] <mrpackethead_> how is a bitcoin created
  • [19:48:16] <_av500_> bradfa: yes, there is a little fee
  • [19:48:19] <reanguiano> mranostay: Are you mining bitcoin on beagle?
  • [19:48:21] <mrpackethead_> more importantly, who creates it
  • [19:48:22] <_av500_> mrpackethead_: read the FAQ :)
  • [19:48:26] <_av500_> mrpackethead_: anybody
  • [19:48:33] <_av500_> that solves a bit of crypto
  • [19:48:49] <mrpackethead_> so, if anybody can create a bitcoin..
  • [19:48:57] <_av500_> it costs to create
  • [19:49:02] <mrpackethead_> what stops me from creating lots of them
  • [19:49:06] <bradfa> not anybody can "create" a bitcoin
  • [19:49:21] <_av500_> anybody with the cpu power
  • [19:49:28] <_av500_> in that regard, its like mining gold
  • [19:50:20] <mranostay> reanguiano: who me?
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  • [19:50:42] <mranostay> mrpackethead_: have you read how bitcoin works?
  • [19:51:00] <mrpackethead_> vaugely.. i think i probably shoudl go and see.
  • [19:51:01] * reanguiano is trying hard to tie this conversation back to beagle; fails
  • [19:51:16] <mranostay> reanguiano: it is #random here :)
  • [19:51:23] <mranostay> even more so today
  • [19:51:28] <reanguiano> I noticed.
  • [19:51:36] <mdp> I'm sure it's tied to bitcoin mining on a beaglebone fpga cape
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  • [19:52:35] <jsabeaudry> this is the official channel for beagle offtopic, for talk about beagle please go to #beagle-ontopic
  • [19:52:35] <bradfa> mdp, noose?
  • [19:53:32] <mranostay> of course you can't bitcoin mine more than your powerbill :)
  • [19:53:53] <mru> use it for heating
  • [19:53:58] <bradfa> mranostay, well, you can, you just have to get creative in where the power comes from :)
  • [19:54:02] <mru> I already heat my flat with computers
  • [19:54:08] * bradfa hides power cord from neighbor's house...
  • [19:54:20] <mrpackethead_> so, i can earn bitcoin by mining for them?
  • [19:54:45] <mrpackethead_> or i can receive bitcoin from someone else for the provision of goods or services.
  • [19:55:22] <mru> they should make it legal for anyone to print regular money
  • [19:55:22] <bradfa> mrpackethead_, or you can exchange dollars/euros/etc for bitcoin
  • [19:56:08] <mru> as long as it's indistinguishable from the officially produced
  • [19:56:09] <mranostay> mru: i'll trade you 2 punk dollars for 2 troll dollars
  • [19:56:37] <_av500_> both
  • [19:57:31] <_av500_> mru: if its "indistinguishable", to hell with legality :)
  • [19:57:39] <mranostay> hehe
  • [19:57:40] <_av500_> prove its not the original
  • [19:58:02] <mru> they might catch you in the act printing it
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  • [19:58:15] <mru> if that happens today, you'll go to jail or so
  • [19:58:17] <mranostay> what is counterfeiting jail time again?
  • [19:58:40] <mru> it used to have a death penalty
  • [19:58:46] <mru> so it's going in the right direction
  • [19:59:03] <mranostay> yeah well yes
  • [19:59:49] <mru> if it were reduced to a fine, say 50c per $1 they catch you with...
  • [19:59:50] <mranostay> heh TIL counterfeiters are generally charged with tax evasion
  • [20:00:07] <mru> _everybody_ is charged with tax evasion
  • [20:00:12] <mru> ask mr capone
  • [20:00:26] <mranostay> mru: can i pay the fine in counterfeits?
  • [20:00:47] <mru> why not simply put a tax on it instead?
  • [20:00:53] <bradfa> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/ff_counterfeiter/
  • [20:00:58] <mru> should take care of that govt deficit pretty quickly
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  • [20:01:35] <bradfa> mru, .us needs to print quite a lot to fix our deficit :)
  • [20:02:01] <bradfa> or, you know, levy taxes that make sense
  • [20:02:06] <Russ> depends, do we owe all the debt in dollars, or other currencies
  • [20:02:20] <bradfa> Russ, .us owes in dollars
  • [20:02:25] <bradfa> at least the govt
  • [20:02:32] <mru> that's very convenient
  • [20:02:36] <Russ> the no problem!
  • [20:02:37] <bradfa> so, in theory, we could just infate the crap out of it
  • [20:02:38] <Russ> er, then-
  • [20:02:41] <bradfa> and pay it all back
  • [20:02:56] <bradfa> but I'm lead to believe there's some nasty side effects to that plan
  • [20:03:04] <mru> just print a few trillion-dollar notes and be done with it
  • [20:03:10] <mranostay> yeah $5000 Big Macs :)
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  • [20:03:21] * koen buys a few "genuine platinum billion dollars" on a dealextreme.com
  • [20:03:22] <bradfa> we do have politicians who are proposing mru's idea
  • [20:03:43] <mru> that method has been tested before
  • [20:03:50] <bradfa> I don't think it works well
  • [20:03:55] <mru> perhaps most famously in germany
  • [20:04:10] <mru> the result was WW2
  • [20:04:20] <mranostay> need some kindling... goes to ATM...
  • [20:04:23] <bradfa> mru, aren't wars great for the economy?
  • [20:04:33] <bradfa> besides the daed people, obviously
  • [20:04:39] <mru> for the "defence" contractors, yes
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  • [20:04:56] <panto> good nice
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  • [20:05:14] <mrpackethead_> The SC Single, however, will put even these figures to shame; when it comes out in October it will provide a staggering 40 gigahashes per second for $1299 ($32 per GHps), paying for itself in eight days if the rest of the network were to remain constant.
  • [20:05:15] <bradfa> bad evil
  • [20:05:36] <bradfa> mrpackethead_, October is a while from now
  • [20:05:54] <mrpackethead_> the artical was written in June 2012
  • [20:05:59] <koen> Crofton: doing collab summit this year?
  • [20:06:03] <bradfa> so, presumably it's out already?
  • [20:06:50] <mrpackethead_> http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/landing-aw.php
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  • [20:07:21] <mrpackethead_> me thinks i'll be buying one.
  • [20:07:23] <bradfa> October already happened, 'pre-'order shouldn't be a thing, no?
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  • [20:07:42] <bradfa> mrpackethead_, maybe spend that money on something else, like a trip to LasVegas
  • [20:07:49] <bradfa> probably a better use of money
  • [20:07:52] <mru> maybe it's so powerful it reversed time
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  • [20:09:56] <mrpackethead_> $243/day
  • [20:09:59] <mrpackethead_> thats not a bad return
  • [20:10:06] <mranostay> it is was real
  • [20:10:38] <mru> that's actually pretty bad
  • [20:11:03] <mru> you'll make several times that amount working
  • [20:11:20] <mranostay> you aren't making 88k USD in profit a year using a box :)
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  • [20:11:28] <mru> as a supplementary income, sure
  • [20:11:58] <mranostay> heh i wish 88k was my supplementary income...
  • [20:12:03] <_av500_> mranostay: you make the most money selling the boxes...
  • [20:12:08] <mranostay> ah right
  • [20:12:22] <mru> just like the old gold rush
  • [20:12:25] <_av500_> yup
  • [20:12:33] <mranostay> _av500_: you up for the great bitcoin robbery of 2013? :)
  • [20:12:34] <mru> those who got rich were the ones selling shovels
  • [20:12:34] <_av500_> just less romantic
  • [20:12:46] <mrpackethead_> So, using that information, and for estimation purposes a conservative flat rate of USD13 per BTC, a safe assumption to make when working out your mining returns is USD6 per month per GH/s (@ 13 Jan 13)
  • [20:13:38] <mrpackethead_> $60 GH/s is $1300
  • [20:13:44] <_av500_> its much easier to hack one of the BTC "exchanges" ...
  • [20:13:58] <mrpackethead_> 6 x $60 = $360
  • [20:13:58] <_av500_> all you need it some SQL
  • [20:14:01] <mrpackethead_> per month
  • [20:14:18] <mranostay> you aren't factoring in power here :)
  • [20:14:48] <mrpackethead_> its 4 months for capital repay
  • [20:15:11] <_av500_> mranostay: and driver updates...
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  • [20:22:18] <mrpackethead_> It looks like it will self implode
  • [20:22:56] <bradfa> mrpackethead_, but won't everyone just buy one of these when they are out?
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  • [20:23:19] <bradfa> mrpackethead_, or maybe the sellers don't have them available yet as they need to recoup their expenses so are running them all on "burn in" test :)
  • [20:23:51] <mrpackethead_> back to my day job then
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  • [20:44:00] <Avi__> Good day, question on i/o USB keyboard wedge devices with the XM. Can a scan gun, mag strip reader, proximity reader be used?
  • [20:45:53] <_av500_> as long as linux supports them
  • [20:47:22] <Avi__> okay, any direction to find out where/if able to add to say ICS/JB. Would be best to contact that device mfg?
  • [20:49:14] <_av500_> ah android
  • [20:49:33] <Avi__> yeah
  • [20:50:24] <mranostay> _av500_: is that like linux?
  • [20:50:50] <Avi__> or linux...not 100% dedicated in that respect.
  • [20:51:10] <Avi__> android very like linux..linux core, JAVA API
  • [20:52:40] <_av500_> Avi__: well, there are low level drivers for your stuff
  • [20:52:47] <_av500_> and ten how to interact with them in the android/java world
  • [20:52:55] <_av500_> I would guess both might be already solved
  • [20:53:04] <_av500_> so some googling might help
  • [20:53:20] <_av500_> then*
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  • [20:53:39] <_av500_> I guess most bar code readers are just HID devices and output plain text
  • [20:54:09] <Avi__> alright, cool...yeah google is king. Boss told me to check on beagle first :)
  • [20:54:24] <Avi__> correct on that av
  • [20:54:44] <_av500_> and there is always "try it out"
  • [20:54:53] <Russ> pro tip
  • [20:55:00] <_av500_> Avi__: ask your boss for a billing address please
  • [20:55:03] <Russ> don't try out a credit card reader while on IRC
  • [20:55:27] <coldsoup|work> I wouldn't be opposed to that spam. Just give it a whirl
  • [20:55:55] <Avi__> lol
  • [20:56:23] <_av500_> yeah, swipe your card for the next 5 answers
  • [20:56:57] <Avi__> i'm sure boss won't mind ;-) thx for the 411....i'll be around, trying to dev some cool new stuff :) chg the world n all
  • [20:57:19] <_av500_> please leave my part of the world as-is
  • [20:57:32] <_av500_> i'm allergic to change
  • [20:58:36] <mranostay> status quo ftw!
  • [20:58:43] <Avi__> haha...
  • [20:59:06] <Avi__> av500 your world shall remain
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  • [21:03:11] * mdp makes notes and moves _av500_ ahead of alan_o on the big board
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  • [21:11:58] <_av500_> \o/
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  • [21:19:12] <alan_o> man, I've got to step it up
  • [21:19:26] <alan_o> I did give some exact steps last night
  • [21:19:48] <alan_o> That's the benefit of having them already written :)
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  • [21:21:50] <mdp> sorry, we don't reward proactive measures here.
  • [21:22:08] <mdp> crisis mode is the norm
  • [21:22:23] <alan_o> man, yet another demerit
  • [21:22:30] <alan_o> at least it's not another creeper card from mranostay
  • [21:22:51] <mdp> he's the proverbial "pot" handing those suckers out
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  • [21:26:26] <_av500_> lol
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  • [21:56:49] * mranostay hands alan_o a card
  • [22:01:08] * XorA-gone is now known as XorA
  • [22:01:08] <_av500_> color?
  • [22:06:30] <mranostay> yellow for now
  • [22:11:06] <mdp> as I was saying...
  • [22:12:45] <mranostay> don't make me card you man
  • [22:13:07] * mdp commences evening taxi service
  • [22:13:08] <mdp> cya
  • [22:13:49] <mranostay> yellow taxi?
  • [22:14:53] <mru> mranostay: does prpplague get a purple card?
  • [22:17:24] * _av500_ sees mranostay in a corner, wrappen in Tizen stickers...
  • [22:17:27] <_av500_> wrapped*
  • [22:18:09] <mranostay> at ELC?
  • [22:18:35] <_av500_> at any time
  • [22:19:33] <mranostay> Tizen flashmob?
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  • [22:25:20] <alan_o> I nominate mranostay to write the choreography.
  • [22:26:43] <mranostay> gangnam style?
  • [22:26:54] <alan_o> There's too much flash in flash mobs and not enough mob. Maybe at exactly 613PM everyone throws a chair
  • [22:27:25] <mranostay> ...at alan_o
  • [22:27:42] <alan_o> can't catch a break in this channel....
  • [22:28:14] <mranostay> you make it too easy
  • [22:28:20] <alan_o> In the last hour... one demerit, one yellow creeper card, and now a hurled chair
  • [22:28:51] <alan_o> I'm an easy mark.
  • [22:29:06] <alan_o> I need a "troll me" hat
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  • [22:29:14] <_av500_> alan_o: this channel is a roller coaster ride
  • [22:29:31] <mranostay> just wait for our troll invoice.. these services aren't free
  • [22:29:41] <mranostay> 2.99$ a minute
  • [22:30:38] <alan_o> hey, that's still less than you make at your day job
  • [22:30:51] <alan_o> community service, even.
  • [22:30:57] <mranostay> i make $3 a minute?
  • [22:31:06] <alan_o> you don't?
  • [22:31:39] * mranostay does math
  • [22:32:38] <mranostay> that is about 300k a year isn't? :)
  • [22:32:44] <alan_o> I like to put hourly rates into what I call "quarter-times." The rate at which someone would have to deposit quarters into a machine (seconds per quarter) to make a certain rate.
  • [22:33:06] <mranostay> wait i may have messed that up
  • [22:33:24] <mru> $3 per minute isn't bad
  • [22:33:35] <mranostay> yeah 288k$
  • [22:35:28] <alan_o> still not a 1%-er
  • [22:36:08] <mranostay> alan_o: now you got me all depressed :)
  • [22:36:25] <mrpackethead_> come to NZ
  • [22:36:29] <mrpackethead_> you can be a 1%
  • [22:37:07] <mru> nz has that many people?
  • [22:37:09] <mranostay> yeah i'm sure there is a ton of jobs for outsiders there
  • [22:37:31] <alan_o> I think it's the silicon valley of the South Pacific
  • [22:37:58] <mranostay> with poisonous shit :)
  • [22:38:26] * alan_o hopes nobody is handing out "culturally insensitive" cards
  • [22:38:28] <_av500_> mru: nz has less than 100% people :)
  • [22:38:50] * mranostay dusts off that card pack
  • [22:39:12] <mru> _av500_: how many % sheep?
  • [22:40:01] <alan_o> I typically get the 5% sheep.
  • [22:40:25] <mranostay> two sheep for every guy
  • [22:40:41] * mranostay gives himself a card
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  • [22:49:37] <jsabeaudry> spidev2.0 corresponds to McSPI1 channel 0 is that right?
  • [22:50:33] <mranostay> probably.. been awhile since i've used spidev
  • [22:51:42] <jsabeaudry> Any idea if "ti,pindir-d0-out-d1-in = <1>;" works in latest beagleboard/kernel ?
  • [22:51:48] <mrpackethead_> good thigns come out of NZ..
  • [22:51:52] <mrpackethead_> like...
  • [22:51:54] <mrpackethead_> Avatar
  • [22:52:01] <mrpackethead_> LoTR and TheHobbit
  • [22:52:08] <mrpackethead_> we have master troll builders
  • [22:52:08] <mru> avatar was hardly good
  • [22:52:09] <mrpackethead_> :-)
  • [22:52:18] <mranostay> and true love between man and sheep
  • [22:52:36] <mru> mranostay: I think the welsh have prior art on that one
  • [22:53:11] <alan_o> I wish I had some sheep around here.... It'd be cool to look out the window and see sheep grazing.
  • [22:53:36] * mranostay leaves alan_o alone
  • [22:53:40] <mrpackethead_> the sheep thing is actually Austrlian
  • [22:53:42] <Russ> I can see cows grazing outside the window from time to time, does that count?
  • [22:53:45] <mrpackethead_> they have many many more sheep than us
  • [22:53:52] <mrpackethead_> its Cows that we have now
  • [22:53:53] <alan_o> Russ: yeah, that'd be cool too.
  • [22:54:18] <mranostay> alan_o: no ponies?
  • [22:54:25] <alan_o> no
  • [22:54:30] <alan_o> ponies are way too much work
  • [22:54:46] <alan_o> don't know first hand about sheep, but goats pretty much take care of themselves.
  • [22:54:48] <mranostay> also don't taste as good
  • [22:55:01] <alan_o> yeah, probably not
  • [22:55:02] <mranostay> pony meat to hard to find
  • [22:55:05] <mranostay> *is
  • [22:55:16] <jsabeaudry> If I get a bus error when trying to devmem spi registers, does that mean the McSPI peripherals are not enabled?
  • [22:55:43] <alan_o> jsabeaudry: so mdp says you can't devmem stuff like that
  • [22:55:54] <alan_o> and I don't know much more than that
  • [22:56:02] <alan_o> because you _can_ mmap that stuff
  • [22:56:12] <jsabeaudry> how dare he say that
  • [22:56:18] <mranostay> alan_o: from userspace?
  • [22:56:24] <alan_o> and I haven't looked at the devmem source, but I'd want to know why it wouldn't use mmap
  • [22:56:32] <jsabeaudry> i devmem the gpmc registers fine
  • [22:56:33] <alan_o> mranostay: that's what we were talking about
  • [22:56:38] * mranostay cluebats alan_o
  • [22:56:43] <alan_o> what?
  • [22:56:48] <mranostay> heh :)
  • [22:56:55] <alan_o> can/can't is different than _should_ :)
  • [22:57:38] <Russ> iclk?
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  • [23:05:22] <_av500_> cilk?
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  • [23:37:15] <mrpackethead_> caffine anyone
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