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  • [17:28:18] * Set by jkridner!~jason@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner on Tue May 15 11:38:35 CDT 2012
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  • [17:28:19] <dm8tbr> in the end I'd like to play with lopan, but I need to get a feeling for this technology first
  • [17:28:26] <dm8tbr> yeah
  • [17:28:31] <jsabeaudry> panto, well something must be wrong in my uEnv, I'm really new to this stuff so I must have made an error regarding some basic thing, the addresses for example, or the bootm command
  • [17:28:54] <alan_o> dm8tbr: well if you have a beagle bone you could build/run my demo from ELC-E
  • [17:28:56] <alan_o> (getting link)
  • [17:29:07] <alan_o> dm8tbr: http://www.signal11.us/oss/elce2012/
  • [17:29:09] <dm8tbr> alan_o: this is *cough* FRI2 *cough*
  • [17:29:21] <dm8tbr> but at least the transcievers are from TI
  • [17:29:37] <dm8tbr> ah, good link, time to read
  • [17:29:50] <alan_o> ok
  • [17:30:01] <alan_o> the TI transceivers aren't in the kernel yet
  • [17:30:12] <alan_o> but they're in the tree at linux-zigbee.sf.net
  • [17:30:24] <alan_o> should port easily to mainline
  • [17:30:28] <alan_o> just a couple constants changed iirc
  • [17:30:44] <alan_o> my contacts at TI have failed to get me any samples or I'd have mainlined it already.
  • [17:30:49] <alan_o> *cough* mdp *cough*
  • [17:31:13] <dm8tbr> ask intel for a FRI2 :)
  • [17:31:20] <mdp> my only way to get free samples is the same as you have access to
  • [17:31:30] <alan_o> yeah, I know
  • [17:31:42] <alan_o> I'm lazy. :)
  • [17:31:57] <alan_o> or at least, I think you've told me that before.....
  • [17:31:58] <mdp> to click a couple links?
  • [17:32:00] <mdp> ;)
  • [17:32:01] <mdp> hehe
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  • [17:43:43] <dm8tbr> alan_o: http://www.ti.com/product/cc2531 does have 'free sample' buttons...
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  • [17:47:08] <KotH> alan_o: shall i call our ti sales so they can send you some samples? :)
  • [17:48:03] <mdp> let me get some for free and resell them to alan_o
  • [17:50:09] * mranostay has abused the free samples in the past :)
  • [17:50:42] <mranostay> i'm going to be bummed if they ever disable my student account
  • [17:52:39] <dm8tbr> mranostay: did you do anything with your fri2 yet?
  • [17:54:55] <mranostay> unpack it and plugged it in basically
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  • [17:55:17] <mranostay> could make it a Google wifi repeater :)
  • [17:55:24] <mranostay> if i move to MV that is
  • [17:55:49] * dm8tbr has the 802.15.4 part currently on his tinker-radar
  • [17:56:10] <dm8tbr> and maybe the CAN-bus if I can find out if it's anywhere accessible on the board
  • [17:57:29] <mranostay> anything has to be better than AT&T DSL over 40 year old copper
  • [17:58:56] <mranostay> i thought only the midwest had this horrible connectivity
  • [17:59:01] <koen> alan_o: the mfr boards have export restrictions :(
  • [17:59:04] <dm8tbr> RYRYRYRYRYRY....
  • [18:00:15] <mranostay> koen: crypto chip?
  • [18:00:30] <mranostay> i know the pandaboard was export controlled as well, right? :)
  • [18:02:58] <koen> mranostay: the 6lowpan board alan_o used for his demo
  • [18:03:20] <mranostay> ah
  • [18:03:53] <mranostay> so i assume you can take it out of the country and bring it back legally? :)
  • [18:04:03] <mranostay> or should i report alan_o? :P
  • [18:05:17] <bradfa> alan_o, thanks for the 6lowpan link, /me reads
  • [18:06:29] <mranostay> so empty without mru here
  • [18:07:12] <mranostay> anyone sure he is still alive? :)
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  • [18:09:36] <mranostay> anyone sure he is still alive? :)[B
  • [18:09:45] <mranostay> gah terminal hang
  • [18:14:13] * dm8tbr hands mranostay a bottle of terminal-lube
  • [18:14:53] * mranostay hands dm8tbr a creeper card
  • [18:16:11] <dm8tbr> that reminds me...
  • [18:17:19] <mranostay> ah of what?
  • [18:17:40] <dm8tbr> you'll find out soon enough :>
  • [18:19:50] <mranostay> dm8tbr: G+ ?
  • [18:20:23] <dm8tbr> do they have creeper-tags yet on G+?
  • [18:21:22] <mranostay> #creeper ?
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  • [18:22:39] <XorA> morning
  • [18:29:10] <mranostay> dm8tbr: what will i find out soon enough? :)
  • [18:37:44] <alan_o> koen: on the export restrictions... what's your source on that, because it seems there has been confusion about it. I ordered a 2.4GHz 802.15.4 ZENA module from microchipdirect and they sent me non-export paperwork they wanted me to sign. I replied questioning the need for it, and they retracted. I've bought the -ma modules from digikey with no mention of it, and it looks like you can get them from uk.farnell.com.
  • [18:39:13] <alan_o> The chips themselves are packaged in Thailand, so for me to get chips, I have to _import_ them.
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  • [18:39:39] <alan_o> (They fab in Arizona, and ship wafers to Thailand)
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  • [18:40:29] <bradfa> alan_o, the export restrictions should only apply to countries the USA doesn't like, right? Such as north korea and afghanistan, no?
  • [18:40:32] <koen> alan_o: digikey
  • [18:40:56] <koen> alan_o: I'll try uk.farnell tomorrow
  • [18:41:06] <bradfa> aes accel in hardware I don't believe can go to north korea
  • [18:41:53] <bradfa> alan_o, http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/default.htm
  • [18:42:01] <alan_o> bradfa: I'd assume. I mean there are countries you can't ship _anything_ into (Cuba, at least), I'd also assume there's everything in between.
  • [18:42:19] <bradfa> alan_o, you can ship cars to Cuba, but they have to be at least 12 years old iirc
  • [18:42:37] <mranostay> heh
  • [18:43:10] <alan_o> interesting. I've heard stories that there are a lot of really old cars in Cuba, like from the 50s-60s, that people keep up because they have a hard time getting newer stuff
  • [18:43:28] <mranostay> also no money :)
  • [18:43:37] <bradfa> alan_o, yeah, used cars from the vintage that's allowed to go to cuba go up in value
  • [18:43:41] <bradfa> only time used cars appreciate
  • [18:43:48] <alan_o> Stories about what's in Cuba are difficult. Different people have widely differing "knowledge" about it.
  • [18:44:16] <mranostay> all i know is i can't visit there legally :)
  • [18:44:17] <bradfa> alan_o, saw on National Geographic TV or Discovery (forget which) so I assume is true, although the 12 years is off the top of my head
  • [18:44:31] <bradfa> mranostay, get raft, drive east, float south
  • [18:44:36] <bradfa> job done
  • [18:44:47] <bradfa> mranostay, maybe "crash"
  • [18:44:49] <bradfa> near cuba
  • [18:44:57] <bradfa> USA will come save you!
  • [18:45:09] <alan_o> bradfa: I guess that's probably true then. I know a guy who went there 10 years or so ago, and argues with Cubans about what it's actually like.
  • [18:45:24] <alan_o> mranostay: you can go to Cuba if you have family there
  • [18:45:32] <bradfa> mranostay has family?
  • [18:45:46] <bradfa> I thought mranostay was a computer
  • [18:45:58] <bradfa> not dying from radiation and all
  • [18:46:13] <mranostay> alan_o: do i look cuban? :)
  • [18:46:39] <alan_o> for some amount of time to visit; can't bring too much stuff with you, etc. I've been told that the flights that have people going to cuba, they pack their suitcases to the max, and then wear like 10 shirts, jackets, whatever they can, on their bodies, and come back wearing shorts and flip-flops
  • [18:47:17] <mranostay> heh
  • [18:47:28] <alan_o> mranostay: I think you look Finnish. Or actually.... which one are you in your profile pic again?
  • [18:47:37] <mranostay> heh
  • [18:48:55] <alan_o> bradfa: when I read about the US relaxing restrictions on crypto, the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if that means the NSA has cracked the things they're letting go
  • [18:49:05] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [18:49:06] <Crofton|work> same here
  • [18:50:16] <bradfa> alan_o, well, there's theory that nsa can break aes
  • [18:50:40] <bradfa> but if you're worried about govt breaking your crypto, you probably have snipers following you
  • [18:50:51] <bradfa> so govt breaking your crypto not really that big of a deal :)
  • [18:51:05] <bradfa> I'm more worried about script kiddies breaking crypto
  • [18:51:12] <bradfa> they're not quite as smart (at the maths) as govt
  • [18:51:51] <bradfa> alan_o, so the state of 6lowpan on linux is "not that great" I take it from your presentation?
  • [18:52:31] <bradfa> alan_o, any mail lists I should join besides vger netdev and the linux-zigbee-devel?
  • [18:52:33] <alan_o> yeah, it's really something that we entrust so much to algorithms which haven't been proven unable to be broken. Like RSA, with factoring. Factoring could very well be polynomial, and if it is, we're in big trouble.
  • [18:52:48] <alan_o> bradfa: those are the lists, yes
  • [18:52:51] <alan_o> the latter is very low traffic
  • [18:52:59] <bradfa> alan_o, k, thanks :)
  • [18:53:03] <alan_o> and as to "not that great," I mean, pretty much
  • [18:53:14] <bradfa> alan_o, I might be doing some 6lopan "real soon now"
  • [18:53:24] <alan_o> The people who are in charge don't have any time for it and some have moved onto other things
  • [18:53:33] <alan_o> It's pulling teeth to get email responses
  • [18:54:10] <bradfa> right now my company has a bit of a kluge of a network stack I made up, 6lowpan fixes many of the problems we're encoutering
  • [18:54:44] <alan_o> I have half a mind to ask for partial maintainership, and get in there and clean up the website mess. I've prodded the maintainers about it, but it's just too low on their radar.
  • [18:54:52] <bradfa> s/I/me and a another guy based off a broken iso draft spec/
  • [18:55:35] <alan_o> what do you mean by kludge network stack? lowpan? or just 802.15.4, or something else?
  • [18:55:40] <bradfa> something else
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  • [19:14:30] <mrpackethead_> what you arguing about today sirs
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  • [19:17:37] <mdp> 54
  • [19:17:58] <mdp> bradfa, there are non-kludge network stacks?
  • [19:18:00] <bradfa> mdp, 54? no
  • [19:18:09] <bradfa> mdp, well, mine's got extra kludge on it
  • [19:18:15] <bradfa> with a bag on the side, too
  • [19:18:19] <bradfa> and a mode bit
  • [19:18:28] <bradfa> no, I've not read ghost in the machine lately
  • [19:18:46] <mdp> be sure your DT binding defines the mode flag
  • [19:18:55] <bradfa> mrpackethead_, we're arguing about if mranostay can go to cuba legally or not
  • [19:19:15] <alan_o> mranostay can't
  • [19:19:16] <mdp> why does he worry about legality of everything?
  • [19:19:18] <alan_o> but others can
  • [19:19:29] <mrpackethead_> depends if he is carrying nutella or not
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  • [19:34:52] <djlewis> damn! finally found the MS COA sticker in side the netbook case.
  • [19:39:32] <mranostay> djlewis: that seems like a catch-22 :)
  • [19:41:07] <alan_o> koen: I just got on digikey's live chat to ask what specifically the restrictions on that part are, and she told me that there weren't any she could see.
  • [19:43:09] <Crofton|work> I'll be at FOSDEM
  • [19:43:23] <Crofton|work> if anyone needs anything (small) from the .us, let me know
  • [19:44:07] <koen> alan_o: I'll try ordering it again
  • [19:44:17] <alan_o> Crofton|work: How many cartons of cigarettes count as "small?"
  • [19:44:32] <Crofton|work> well
  • [19:44:39] <Crofton|work> that is not what I ahd in mind
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  • [19:46:51] <XorA> hehe
  • [19:46:51] <mranostay> alan_o: i don't think cigarettes are cheaper here :)
  • [19:47:05] <XorA> mranostay: duty free tobacco from USA is MUCH cheaper
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  • [19:47:45] <XorA> USA fags 1/2 price of french fags which are 1/2 price UK fags :_D
  • [19:48:01] <mranostay> stop saying fag :)
  • [19:48:26] <dm8tbr> always those drug addicts...
  • [19:49:24] <Crofton|work> cigarettes from VA are really cheap
  • [19:50:10] <mranostay> Crofton|work: fedex me a carton? :)
  • [19:50:28] <mranostay> Crofton|work: $4 a pack?
  • [19:51:10] <djlewis> euros are much easier to get more of over there
  • [19:51:19] <Crofton|work> you smoke?
  • [19:52:04] <mranostay> rarely
  • [19:52:30] <mdp> aha, from a web ph0rum, "[XYZ] help plz!!"
  • [19:52:35] <mdp> that's where it originates
  • [19:52:39] <XorA> Crofton|work: which hotel you in for FOSDEM
  • [19:52:41] <XorA> ?
  • [19:52:57] <Crofton|work> Saint Nicolas
  • [19:53:04] <XorA> Crofton|work: cool, me too!
  • [19:53:35] <Crofton|work> it is where all the cool people are
  • [19:53:40] <XorA> hehe
  • [19:53:45] <XorA> is that coz heating is busted?
  • [19:53:59] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [19:54:03] <Crofton|work> hope not
  • [19:54:11] <Crofton|work> well, it hope it is warmer than last year
  • [19:54:12] <XorA> Ann will be there as well!
  • [19:54:29] <Crofton|work> cool
  • [19:59:50] <jsabeaudry> How to know at what addess load the kernel or fdt when using ext2load ?
  • [20:00:38] <aholler_> whatever is free
  • [20:01:36] <aholler_> for the kernel just use the default ($loadaddr)
  • [20:01:49] <mranostay> i usually use a RNG to pick an address for each boot
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  • [20:02:50] <aholler_> seeded by the tube of your cape?
  • [20:03:05] <runexe> I hear if you use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/random then it boots faster
  • [20:03:51] <mranostay> and /dev/zero even more so
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  • [20:07:00] <aholler_> the rad-rng
  • [20:07:04] <jsabeaudry> Are these addresses not random enough? http://pastebin.ca/2302049
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  • [20:13:10] <KotH> mranostay: and how do you ensure that your rng doesnt pick the same addr at each boot?
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  • [20:13:41] <mranostay> KotH: well if you want to get all tin foil hat
  • [20:13:46] <mranostay> hi sakoman
  • [20:14:39] <KotH> apropos: why do usians still use the term tin foil, when it's actually aluminium foil?
  • [20:15:10] <mranostay> for effect?
  • [20:15:36] <mranostay> why do we use feet and yards still? :)
  • [20:15:57] <KotH> to be different
  • [20:18:00] <djlewis> to complicate measurements
  • [20:18:45] <djlewis> last time I worked on a Jeep Cherokee, it had bolts with three different measurement systems
  • [20:19:02] <KotH> what?
  • [20:19:08] <KotH> what was the third one?
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  • [20:19:33] <djlewis> sae metric and chinese
  • [20:19:57] <djlewis> chinese bolts milled ou of spec
  • [20:20:02] <djlewis> s/ou/out
  • [20:20:26] <jsabeaudry> Is there a way to add debug information to the "booting the kernel" step ?
  • [20:20:35] <jsabeaudry> Some kind of verbose mode perhaps
  • [20:21:00] <mranostay> djlewis: i bet that was fun
  • [20:23:10] <KotH> jsabeaudry: what's your prob?
  • [20:23:17] <KotH> jsabeaudry: and when in the boot process is it?
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  • [20:24:14] <jsabeaudry> KotH, It hangs at "booting the kernel", here is one of the uEnv.txt I tried and the resulting boot log: http://pastebin.ca/2302049
  • [20:25:20] <KotH> jsabeaudry: make sure you dont have "quiet" in your kernel parameters
  • [20:25:30] <KotH> jsabeaudry: make sure you have the right console device specified
  • [20:26:03] <KotH> jsabeaudry: make sure the kernel actually hangs, ie not just not printing anything
  • [20:26:14] <KotH> jsabeaudry: if nothing of that helps, go for early printk
  • [20:26:55] <jsabeaudry> KotH, Thanks, will go through that, I'm sure it hangs becaus when it does not hang, I get a lot of action on the LEDs
  • [20:27:24] <KotH> jsabeaudry: oh.. and if early printk does not help, use jtag and a debugger
  • [20:28:06] <calculus> Gareth: pong
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  • [20:30:16] <bradfa> jsabeaudry, if you're getting LED action and no console action, you're telling the kernel to be quite
  • [20:30:21] <bradfa> s/quite/quiet/
  • [20:30:48] <bradfa> jsabeaudry, nevermind, I can't read
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  • [20:33:03] <jsabeaudry> I think the problem might be that I'm using 2011.09 u-boot, One of the examples I'm following is using 2012.10, anyone know where I can get a prebuilt 2012.10 for bbone?
  • [20:33:13] <aholler_> bradfa: don't bother, jsabeaudry too ;)
  • [20:34:05] <jsabeaudry> aholler_, I tried using loadaddr, same result
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  • [20:37:01] <jsabeaudry> Right on the forum! :)
  • [20:37:20] <dm8tbr> now that's some cool info screens. we had those at 29C3. We totally should have them at ELC too :)
  • [20:37:27] <dm8tbr> prpplague: ^^^^^
  • [20:39:41] <mranostay> bradfa: mouth would be better
  • [20:40:34] <aholler_> jsabeaudry: try help bootm, maybe yours don't like the dtb argument.
  • [20:41:33] <prpplague> dm8tbr: what info screens is that?
  • [20:42:01] <aholler_> jsabeaudry: I think its a configure option, so it could not be active for your u-boot
  • [20:42:21] <dm8tbr> prpplague: those screens were all over the venue. you'd see quickly what presentations are going on and what is next etc.
  • [20:42:47] <dm8tbr> it's open source: info-beamer.org
  • [20:42:54] <prpplague> dm8tbr: ahh
  • [20:42:56] <dm8tbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl_nNo6yUQc
  • [20:42:56] <dm8tbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc3FjgJ11gw
  • [20:42:56] <dm8tbr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKE3GlYGrAQ
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  • [20:43:09] <prpplague> dm8tbr: we don't get a choice on what we use, it is set forth by LF
  • [20:43:13] <dm8tbr> sorry the URL got eaten by a grue
  • [20:43:20] <prpplague> dm8tbr: they have all of that setup for all of their conferences
  • [20:43:23] <dm8tbr> ic
  • [20:43:41] <prpplague> i'll passs the info along to the LF folks who handle the conferences
  • [20:44:03] <Gareth> calculus: Hey. Just wanted to see if you saw that email I sent.
  • [20:44:07] <dm8tbr> they were looking for better solutions back when I talked to them in redwood shores
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  • [20:45:29] <mranostay> wb Crofton
  • [20:45:30] <prpplague> dm8tbr: i'll ask
  • [20:51:00] <jsabeaudry> aholler_, Yay! It was the u-boot version! Works with 2012.10! Special thanks to Rober C Nelson for publishing the MLO and u-boot on the forum :)
  • [20:52:21] <calculus> Gareth: yep, just saw it... unfortunate that Jason can't make it, hopefully there will be other volunteers as doing it solo is tough
  • [20:53:38] <Gareth> calculus: Yeah. I saw that too. Thats too bad.
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  • [20:54:56] <jkridner> Gareth, calculus: just saw you were talking about SCaLE
  • [20:55:29] <jkridner> I was disappointed my paper wasn't accepted and that was my justification for the travel.
  • [20:56:04] * mranostay thinks jkridner needs a group hug
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  • [20:59:58] <Gareth> jkridner: Yup. was about to respond to your email. I thought that talk looked good too, unfortunately I'm one of 8 voting and we had over 200 submissions :)
  • [21:00:20] <jkridner> good problem to have
  • [21:00:31] <mranostay> jkridner: what Gareth is saying your bribe wasn't enough :P
  • [21:01:22] <Gareth> hah :)
  • [21:04:20] <Gareth> jkridner: got a second for a PM?
  • [21:05:06] <jkridner> we'll know if we try. :)
  • [21:05:40] <jsabeaudry> panto, Now that I have a valid kernel and everything, time to try your /plugin/ stuff, I get the following error ERROR (phandle_references): Reference to non-existent node or label "am33xx_pinmux" Does that mean I'm running an old version of dtc?
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  • [21:29:32] <Brad__> How do I find out how much current each pin can output (more specifically the GPIO)
  • [21:30:11] <Brad__> Instruction manual a little confusing
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  • [21:31:19] <Brad__> How do I find out how much current each pin can output (more specifically the GPIO)
  • [21:32:48] <alan_o> Brad__: by "instruction manual" do you mean the TRM?
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  • [21:35:14] <mdp> Brad__, the datasheet details current specs for pins
  • [21:36:10] <mdp> under "Buffer Strength"
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  • [21:36:48] <mdp> well, am33xx specific, dunno on old parts and two lazy to open those datasheets
  • [21:36:54] <Brad__> BeagleBone System Reference Manual is the instruction manual
  • [21:37:40] <Brad__> thats what i meant *
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  • [21:38:15] <Brad__> Im kinda new to this, should I be looking at processor data sheets or BeagleBone things?
  • [21:38:39] <alan_o> Brad__: That's not really what you want. You want the datasheet for the AM3359 processor
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  • [21:38:51] <alan_o> Brad__: let me find you a link
  • [21:39:55] <alan_o> Brad__: http://www.ti.com/product/am3359
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  • [21:39:59] <mdp> Brad__, while alan_o is grabbing the link...
  • [21:39:59] <bradfa> http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/am3359
  • [21:40:05] <alan_o> Look for "Datasheet" down lower
  • [21:40:19] <Brad__> kk, thanks . Im gonna search for it now
  • [21:40:22] <alan_o> Also, Technical Reference Manual (TRM) tells you class-level info about that chip.
  • [21:40:22] <mdp> Brad__: the difference is the Bone SRM is the guide to the BeagleBone "product"
  • [21:40:39] <mdp> the datasheet has electrical and mechanical specs (including packaging)
  • [21:40:54] <mdp> the "TRM" you hear referenced is the programmer's reference for the SoC
  • [21:41:17] <Brad__> kk :)
  • [21:42:41] <mdp> Brad__, it's under 5K pages so should be some light reading
  • [21:43:26] * mdp updates alan_o's amazing big board stats for january
  • [21:44:39] <alan_o> hehe, you get half of that one
  • [21:44:56] <alan_o> actually, you should get all of it.... All I said was TRM, and was wrong :)
  • [21:45:45] <bradfa> ti has removed the sprs717 document name from the datasheet now, eh?
  • [21:45:51] <mdp> TRM is the answer to all questions
  • [21:46:03] <bradfa> mdp, except pin drive strength :)
  • [21:46:04] <mdp> "Nobody ever got fired for saying TRM."
  • [21:46:14] <mdp> true that
  • [21:46:27] <bradfa> mdp, or mux
  • [21:46:30] * mdp fists bumps bradfa awkwardly mranostay-style.
  • [21:46:35] <bradfa> wait
  • [21:46:38] <bradfa> he has a style?
  • [21:46:41] <mdp> stop confusing #beagle with the facts
  • [21:46:49] <mdp> I use the term loosely
  • [21:46:50] <bradfa> raspberry pi!!!!!111!!eleven!!
  • [21:46:59] <mdp> it's like when he has class
  • [21:47:20] * mdp sharpens the stick and jabs mranostay again.
  • [21:48:06] * bradfa wonders when am335x data sheet will get updated again...
  • [21:48:29] <mranostay> hey
  • [21:48:43] <mranostay> was at lunch what did i miss?
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  • [21:49:31] <XorA> a gaping stick wound apparently
  • [21:49:32] <woglinde> mranostay nothing
  • [21:49:43] <bradfa> mranostay, mdp says you have style
  • [21:49:58] <bradfa> not sure if that's a compliment though :)
  • [21:50:04] * bradfa goes home, dinner time!
  • [21:50:06] <mdp> out of context!
  • [21:50:17] <mranostay> gangnam style?
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  • [21:52:47] <Crofton|work> XorA, I will be in MV feb 11-22
  • [21:52:57] <Crofton|work> well the last part of that I will be in SFO
  • [21:54:06] <mranostay> Crofton|work: ELC too right?
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  • [21:55:34] <XorA> Crofton|work: unless I get extension I will be back in Scotland
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  • [21:58:18] <Crofton|work> XorA, bummer
  • [21:58:30] <Crofton|work> right I will be at ELC
  • [21:58:45] <Crofton|work> anyone looked into cheaper lodging?
  • [21:59:58] <mranostay> Crofton|work: how cheap you want in the Tenderloin? :)
  • [21:59:58] <mrpackethead_> i'd love to attend ELC
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  • [22:00:03] <mrpackethead_> just dont' think i can swing it
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  • [22:00:34] <mranostay> i'm sure the hobos out front will rent you their box for the night
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  • [22:04:00] <woglinde> mranostay what?
  • [22:04:21] <mranostay> woglinde: inside joke here
  • [22:04:30] * mranostay pokes koen and mdp for reference check :P
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  • [22:04:55] <panto> jsabeaudry, you need to make sure your base dtb has a __symbols__ node with the proper reference
  • [22:05:00] <Crofton|work> mranostay, civilized
  • [22:05:09] <mdp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg
  • [22:05:40] <mrpackethead_> is ELC more just a bunch fo people talking
  • [22:06:04] <mdp> worse, they won't quit talking
  • [22:06:16] <mdp> people insist on speech for communication at these things for some reason
  • [22:07:34] <mranostay> and then you are required to drink vast amounts of beer with them
  • [22:07:43] <mranostay> it is really horrible
  • [22:07:46] <panto> Crofton|work, mranostay, I'm looking for a cheaper SF hotel too
  • [22:07:55] <panto> let me know if you find anything
  • [22:07:55] <alan_o> dang it mdp.....
  • [22:08:02] <mranostay> i'm thinking of getting a room as well
  • [22:08:03] <alan_o> mdp: now I'm watching it again....
  • [22:08:14] <alan_o> We should get a suite
  • [22:08:15] <mranostay> provided my talk gets accepted i don't want to commute everyday
  • [22:08:17] <alan_o> #beagle suite
  • [22:08:45] * mranostay hands alan_o a creeper card
  • [22:08:52] <alan_o> what?
  • [22:08:52] <woglinde> *g*
  • [22:08:58] <woglinde> red one?
  • [22:09:18] <mdp> I wonder if the massage room still needs sponsorship..."The Creeper Card Massage Room"
  • [22:09:25] <panto> err, you guys, this is SF you know
  • [22:09:33] <mranostay> panto: that is overplayed :)
  • [22:09:43] <panto> that's because you live there now
  • [22:09:43] <woglinde> panto you mean can walking naked all the day?
  • [22:09:51] <alan_o> not anymore
  • [22:10:12] <panto> dear $DEITY no, it's freezing cold in Feb
  • [22:10:29] <Crofton|work> I looked, didn't see any suitable suites
  • [22:10:35] <alan_o> :(
  • [22:10:50] <woglinde> rent a trailer
  • [22:10:57] <mranostay> hostel is next door
  • [22:11:07] <mranostay> we could have a hostel 'suite' :P
  • [22:13:43] <mranostay> panto: i don't think the greek guy should be throwing stones :)
  • [22:14:47] <panto> hey, it's SF... you've been to Castro right?
  • [22:15:11] <mranostay> nope
  • [22:15:33] <panto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Castro,_San_Francisco
  • [22:15:42] <mranostay> yes i know what it is :)
  • [22:16:49] <mranostay> just haven't been in that part of town
  • [22:17:22] <panto> or have you... and you don't want us to find out
  • [22:17:42] <alan_o> I've been there
  • [22:17:50] <alan_o> drove through
  • [22:18:13] <alan_o> Some friends who moved out there took us on a tour of SF last ELC.
  • [22:18:19] <alan_o> it's interesting
  • [22:18:23] <alan_o> the business names are funny
  • [22:18:49] <panto> oh well, time to go now
  • [22:18:53] <panto> cya guys
  • [22:18:56] <alan_o> later man
  • [22:18:59] <mranostay> panto: later old dude
  • [22:19:07] <mranostay> enjoy 40 :)
  • [22:19:24] <alan_o> panto: don't let him get you down, you look damn good for 40 :)
  • [22:19:37] * mranostay hands alan_o another creeper card
  • [22:19:44] <panto> psst, I'm not sleeping alone tonight punk. are you?
  • [22:19:46] <panto> :P
  • [22:19:49] <mranostay> ouch
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  • [22:19:57] <mranostay> that is just not cool :)
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  • [22:21:33] <jsabeaudry> low blow
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  • [22:22:48] <alan_o> mranostay: what's the conversion between creeper cards and US dollars?
  • [22:23:21] <mranostay> 1/20 cent
  • [22:23:25] <mranostay> like coupons
  • [22:23:32] <alan_o> 1/20 isn't bad
  • [22:23:34] <alan_o> I'm well on my way
  • [22:24:00] <alan_o> That would be funny on a conference badge, like one of those hanging parts off the bottom.
  • [22:24:06] <alan_o> yellow or red "CREEPER"
  • [22:24:22] <alan_o> kind of like the sex offender list. "Sir, you've been flagged"
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  • [22:25:54] <mranostay> hmm interesting reason for coupons having cash value
  • [22:26:01] <alan_o> my eyes!!!
  • [22:26:10] <alan_o> mranostay: is it now?
  • [22:26:29] <alan_o> mranostay: do tell
  • [22:26:45] <alan_o> I've always kind of wondered why 1/10000 cent is better than "no cash value"
  • [22:27:03] <mranostay> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/296/why-do-grocery-store-coupons-say-cash-value-1-20-of-a-cent
  • [22:28:50] <mranostay> reanguiano: coming to ELC this year?
  • [22:32:04] <mrpackethead_> can anyone point me to what the sustained read/write speeds to SD-card on a beagle would be
  • [22:32:23] <alan_o> mrpackethead_: depends on the card
  • [22:32:40] <mrpackethead_> yes, i 'm sure it does
  • [22:32:50] <mrpackethead_> but any idea what the beagle itself could cope with
  • [22:32:52] <alan_o> mrpackethead_: many here lament the slow speed of the one that ships with the beagles.
  • [22:33:17] <alan_o> mrpackethead_: that's a great question, one to which I don't have the answer :)
  • [22:33:36] <mrpackethead_> i guess i might need to test this ourselves
  • [22:33:46] <mrpackethead_> with various cards
  • [22:34:32] <mranostay> the Kingston SD card is the worse one possible
  • [22:34:44] <mranostay> i always get a sandisk in there the second i can
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  • [22:36:21] <alan_o> mranostay: can't you scandisk any brand of SD card?
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  • [22:40:31] <mrpackethead_> do they ship with those kingstons?
  • [22:40:48] <alan_o> mrpackethead_: they ship with some kingstons
  • [22:41:00] <mrpackethead_> right.
  • [22:41:03] <mranostay> alan_o: always Kingstons
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  • [22:41:12] <mranostay> except my TI sample one :)
  • [22:41:21] <mrpackethead_> i'm just working with circuitco to buy a stack of them for a project
  • [22:41:32] <mrpackethead_> and they will supply with a card if i want
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  • [22:42:13] <mrpackethead_> or without
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  • [22:44:03] <jsabeaudry> anyone has used GPMC with a DT kernel?
  • [22:44:52] <jsabeaudry> Oh nevermind that, it's late, I'll ask tomorrow :)
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  • [22:44:55] <jsabeaudry> good night everyone
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  • [22:47:58] <djlewis> mrpackethead_: might be dated: http://www2.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html
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  • [22:52:09] <mrpackethead_> the cards themselves might be fast enough
  • [22:52:15] <mrpackethead_> for my application
  • [22:52:41] <mrpackethead_> in fact i suspect i only need to sustatin 1Mb/s
  • [22:52:55] <mrpackethead_> so, even a sloppy class 2 might do that
  • [22:53:07] <mrpackethead_> but the real world performance might be different in the beagle
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  • [22:57:32] <mrpackethead_> frazera@therecorder:/usr/local/src/ltcclock$ df -h
  • [22:57:32] <mrpackethead_> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  • [22:57:32] <mrpackethead_> /dev/mmcblk0p5 15G 1.3G 13G 10% /
  • [22:57:33] <mrpackethead_> tmpfs 123M 0 123M 0% /lib/init/rw
  • [22:57:35] <mrpackethead_> udev 121M 152K 121M 1% /dev
  • [22:57:37] <mrpackethead_> tmpfs 123M 14M 110M 11% /dev/shm
  • [22:57:39] <mrpackethead_> /dev/mmcblk0p1 64M 9.9M 54M 16% /boot/uboot
  • [22:57:41] <mrpackethead_> frazera@therecorder:/usr/local/src/ltcclock$
  • [22:57:43] <mrpackethead_> sorry
  • [22:57:46] <mrpackethead_> did'nt mean to do that
  • [22:57:58] <mrpackethead_> frazera@therecorder:/dev$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=outfile count=4096 bs=512
  • [22:57:59] <mrpackethead_> 4096+0 records in
  • [22:57:59] <mrpackethead_> 4096+0 records out
  • [22:58:00] <mrpackethead_> 2097152 bytes (2.1 MB) copied, 0.069397 s, 30.2 MB/s
  • [22:58:40] <mrpackethead_> adnt he flip side, gave me 27.9 on read
  • [22:58:48] <mrpackethead_> think its fast enough
  • [22:59:18] <mranostay> pastebin!!!!!!
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  • [23:57:20] <alan_o> one day I will be an skb wizard
  • [23:57:24] <alan_o> that day is not today
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  • [23:59:48] <mranostay> weird thing to shoot for