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  • [01:45:23] <beaglenewb> hello everyone, I had a question if anyone has a few minutes?
  • [01:45:43] <mranostay> *ahem* topic
  • [01:45:48] * Bisqwit points at topic
  • [01:45:52] <prpplague> beaglenewb: you just used your one question
  • [01:45:59] <beaglenewb> rofl
  • [01:46:03] <prpplague> beaglenewb: now you have to wait 24 hours for another one
  • [01:46:33] <beaglenewb> topic
  • [01:46:46] <beaglenewb> no idea what that means?
  • [01:47:23] <Bisqwit> It may be shown as a title bar on your irc window, or you may type /topic to retrieve the topic (which may be rendered in a status window or something)
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  • [01:49:01] <beaglenewb> TOPIC
  • [01:49:04] <beaglenewb> damnit
  • [01:49:11] <beaglenewb> i did /topic
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  • [01:49:20] <beaglenewb> gave me insufficient arguments
  • [01:49:22] <agmlego> ( don't ask to ask )
  • [01:50:19] <prpplague> beaglenewb: Please read http://beagleboard.org/chat for a guide on how to ask questions
  • [01:51:27] <beaglenewb> yup
  • [01:51:28] <beaglenewb> reading it now
  • [01:51:30] <beaglenewb> thanks
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  • [01:58:29] <Bisqwit> "/topic #beagle" on some encumbered clients, then
  • [02:01:01] <Russ> wow, did someone just compare udev/systemd to rape of genocide?
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  • [02:01:57] <Russ> er, and, not of
  • [02:02:09] <prpplague> Russ: hehe reading the same g+ post?
  • [02:02:17] <thurbad> was hitler mentioned too?
  • [02:02:23] <beaglenewb> ...
  • [02:02:24] <beaglenewb> lol
  • [02:02:24] <thurbad> :P
  • [02:02:30] <Russ> escalated quickly
  • [02:02:33] <bones_was_here> well if they can justify the merge, i guess that means systemd must be *fucking perfect* ;)
  • [02:02:51] <Russ> does anyone know what the problem is with libkmod and libblkid?
  • [02:03:39] <Russ> bones_was_here, I would imagine it saves the developers a bunch of headache and saves users a bunch of headaches from breakage
  • [02:04:36] <bones_was_here> i would hope so, except that i only found out about the merge because of complaints :p
  • [02:04:41] <bones_was_here> so i'm not confident :p
  • [02:06:27] <bones_was_here> i figure that when debian starts shipping systemd as their default stable init, that will mean it's ready to merge with udev or other key components :)
  • [02:07:11] <bones_was_here> but currently even unstable is sticking with pre-systemd udev...
  • [02:08:25] <Russ> but why?
  • [02:08:29] <Russ> because it's 'icky'?
  • [02:08:39] <Russ> is there some licensing issue?
  • [02:09:29] <bones_was_here> because debian calls itself the 'universal operating system', meaning it needs to work better than sysvinit across a massive amount of use cases, including running a bsd kernel with GNU userland
  • [02:09:59] <Russ> right, but the post-systemd udev still works without systemd
  • [02:10:19] <Russ> and as far as I know, udev doesn't work on bsd anyway
  • [02:10:53] <bones_was_here> bsd has its own equivalent, and (afaik) it's not compatible with systemd
  • [02:11:27] <Russ> I'm really confused here
  • [02:11:32] <CareBear\> bones_was_here : try openorc
  • [02:11:34] <CareBear\> openrc sorry
  • [02:11:41] <Russ> the post-merge udev works with or without systemd
  • [02:11:59] <Russ> but because the repo contains the icky code that doesn't work on bsd, debian can't use it?
  • [02:11:59] <bones_was_here> CareBear\: i'll try openrc when using gentoo, or when debian uses it as default init ^_^
  • [02:12:16] <Russ> for a package that doesn't build on bsd anyway?
  • [02:14:40] <bones_was_here> Russ: distros like debian and gentoo that try to offer support for much greater flexibility and range of hardware platforms than most, can't switch something as critical as the init system as soon as its working ok on basic desktops
  • [02:15:37] <Russ> again, why does going to a newer udev version mean switching the init system?
  • [02:15:59] <bones_was_here> dunno :)
  • [02:16:30] <bones_was_here> but apparently it is causing problems for a number of package maintainers (else i would not even have heard of the merge)
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  • [02:16:53] <bones_was_here> i'm sure i can only think of some of the reasons
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  • [02:22:55] <bones_was_here> but as with most major changes, the fast/new desktop/laptop focused distros will do it first, the ones that aim to support 10k+ packages in almost any combo on almost any hardware (especially ones with alternate kernels) will take years of testing and bug reports before they're happy enough with the quality
  • [02:24:48] <Russ> why is the newer version of udev a major change?
  • [02:24:57] <Russ> because it builds out of the systemd tarball?
  • [02:25:03] <bones_was_here> i dunno, i don't maintain a udev package for any distro
  • [02:25:05] <CareBear\> why is this on #beagle?
  • [02:25:25] <Russ> I just did a clone of the repo and built a udevd binary on my ubuntu system with zero problems
  • [02:25:42] <bones_was_here> ext4 for example - took years for the conservative distros to adopt (justifiably too)
  • [02:25:45] <bones_was_here> so?
  • [02:26:02] <Russ> it isn't a major revision change for udev
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  • [02:28:04] <bones_was_here> you just proved it builds in your ubuntu pc, but what about that old SPARC64 box still chugging along in a DC that needs its 40 daemons to come up in the right order?
  • [02:28:19] <Russ> udevd doesn't bring up daemons
  • [02:28:28] <bones_was_here> no but systemd does
  • [02:28:35] <Russ> we aren't talking about systemd
  • [02:28:41] <Russ> we are talking about udev
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  • [02:29:14] <bones_was_here> still, was it tested on all those kinds of use cases?
  • [02:29:27] <CareBear\> stop trolling now
  • [02:29:32] <Russ> no minor release of udev has that kind of testing
  • [02:29:40] <Russ> why would 183 be any different?
  • [02:30:01] <CareBear\> or continue trolling, but somewhere else :)
  • [02:30:57] <bones_was_here> CareBear\: please revise your definition of trolling, the popularly accepted one is that the troll is trying to elict overly emotional responses
  • [02:31:01] <Russ> CareBear\, udev is pretty integral to bb
  • [02:31:50] <bones_was_here> and while i'm aware many people have become overly emotional about this issue, i believe currently we are attempting a rational discussion rather than a flamewar ;)
  • [02:31:54] <CareBear\> bones_was_here : another popular one is that the troll wants to maintain a discussion without actually saying anything
  • [02:32:08] <CareBear\> I see no flaming
  • [02:32:10] <bones_was_here> CareBear\: is that the case here?
  • [02:32:22] <CareBear\> it looks like it to me
  • [02:32:31] <prpplague> hehe funny, if you google "jason kridner" and click images, you get a bunch of pictures of koen and gerald
  • [02:32:41] <bones_was_here> really? which troll started the discusion and then didn't say anything further?
  • [02:33:01] <CareBear\> bones_was_here : you're writing plenty, but not saying much
  • [02:33:12] <CareBear\> if that makes sense
  • [02:33:39] <Russ> CareBear\, I'm really trying to understand the reason for the fork here, bones_was_here seems like a good person to ask
  • [02:33:47] <CareBear\> in particular, the talk about sparc64 makes no sense "was udev tested on all those kinds of use cases"
  • [02:34:02] <CareBear\> Russ : I wouldn't try that :)
  • [02:34:09] <CareBear\> Russ : but all right..
  • [02:34:32] <bones_was_here> i'm not a good person to ask, i'm just trying to demonstrate that there might be real reasons for more conservative distros not to adopt the newly merged udev and systemd
  • [02:35:13] <CareBear\> you're doing a very good job I'm afraid
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  • [02:35:42] <bones_was_here> unfortunately those distros are often portrayed as unnecessarily backward 'stick in the muds' who don't adopt tech 'because they dont like it' rather than for real reasons
  • [02:36:10] <CareBear\> *shrug* I don't know what the generalization brings
  • [02:36:18] <CareBear\> talk about concrete problems
  • [02:36:26] <Russ> I'd be more convinced if I'd seen any real reasons or if there was an argument as to why newer versions of udev are 'new tech'
  • [02:36:36] <bones_was_here> CareBear\: well perhaps you can do a better job, or link to an article that does a good job, instead of calling me a troll
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  • [02:38:14] <CareBear\> Russ : it is about fear that udev will become too tightly coupled to systemd in the future. rather than waiting for that to happen, some people forked and in some sense start over after removing parts of the code
  • [02:38:27] <CareBear\> it's utterly useless imo
  • [02:38:38] <bones_was_here> well for a short time udev was very new tech indeed, because it tried to implement firmware loading in a way the kernel did not support, fortunately this was fixed but only after linus got emotional
  • [02:38:47] <Russ> so they lose all stake in the official upstream version, seems pretty counter productive
  • [02:38:52] <CareBear\> of course
  • [02:39:13] <CareBear\> Russ : I'd say that is on purpose
  • [02:39:18] <Russ> bones_was_here, I'm familiar with the firmware loading issue
  • [02:39:23] <CareBear\> Russ : because they don't "like" upstream
  • [02:41:46] <bones_was_here> personally i'm not qualified to comment on this issue, i can see advantages and disadvantages, but not the whole picture, which is why i refer to the decisions of maintainers of large, conservative distros, as they are likely to have (or be in the process of getting) 'big picture' understanding
  • [02:42:05] <Russ> if you don't know, then don't say
  • [02:42:31] <bones_was_here> well, you'd better shut up too then ;)
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  • [02:48:57] <mdp> uh oh, you could get banned from #raspberrypi for "shut up"
  • [02:49:01] <mdp> easy there!
  • [02:49:57] <Russ> damn, that's strict
  • [02:50:00] <Russ> (banned again)
  • [02:50:33] <Russ> hmm..wonder if 'duck rape' will get SpeedEvil banned
  • [02:51:00] <_troll_> Russ: duck rape is quite real
  • [02:51:10] <_troll_> happens more often than you probably want to know
  • [02:51:13] <Russ> I know, don't go on youtube and search that
  • [02:52:21] <ka6sox> welcome to the Beaglboard and #raspi Peanut Gallery channel...
  • [02:53:42] <bones_was_here> everyone sucks at communicating, myself included, imo freenode should just kline *!*@* and be done
  • [02:54:05] <_troll_> bones_was_here: systemd is a complete clusterfuck
  • [02:54:23] <_troll_> and they're hard at working making sure udev will become unusable without it
  • [02:54:36] <_troll_> lennart is "looking forward to" the day that happens
  • [02:54:47] <ka6sox> kill kitty, kill! kill!
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  • [03:00:30] <Russ> _troll_, bah, I see no problem with looking forward to the day when your own pet project is dominant
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  • [03:00:59] <Russ> _troll_, I'm sure the alsa developers looked forward to the day when they didn't have to work with OSS
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  • [03:01:11] <_troll_> but this is different
  • [03:01:26] <_troll_> this like emacs devs looking forward to the day vim WILL NOT RUN
  • [03:01:42] <Russ> well on the day that commit happens, fork
  • [03:01:54] <_troll_> then it will be too late
  • [03:02:07] <_troll_> it is already too late
  • [03:04:08] <_troll_> what would you say if pc manufacturers baked a windows kernel into the bios and made it impossible to run anything else?
  • [03:04:20] <Russ> I wouldn't buy that pc
  • [03:04:25] <Russ> but I'd buy the previous version
  • [03:04:33] <_troll_> you can't
  • [03:04:45] <Russ> that's the good thing about source, you can
  • [03:04:51] <_troll_> well, not really
  • [03:05:02] <Russ> licensing?
  • [03:05:03] <_troll_> not if you want support for recent hardware etc
  • [03:05:18] <_troll_> and security fixes
  • [03:05:32] <_troll_> of course you can run a 10 year old system with 10 year old software
  • [03:05:33] <Russ> it's only been one day in the hypothetical situation
  • [03:05:43] <_troll_> uh?
  • [03:06:08] <Russ> hypothetically, I wake up, and there was a systemd commit that made it impossible to run udevd without systemd
  • [03:06:18] <Russ> I start a fork from yesterdays version
  • [03:06:25] <_troll_> we have the most annoying person since j?rg schilling trying to fuck up every linux system from the inside
  • [03:06:45] <_troll_> Russ: then you get publicly ridiculed until you give up
  • [03:06:52] <_troll_> that's IS ALREADY HAPPENING
  • [03:07:15] <Russ> no it's not, people who have forked a version of udevd that works fine without systemd are being ridiculed
  • [03:07:40] <_troll_> but it doesn't work fine
  • [03:07:55] <_troll_> you can't even build it standalone
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  • [03:08:12] <Russ> what problem does 196 have?
  • [03:08:15] <_troll_> it's too bad the ones forking are rather inexerienced at software development
  • [03:08:20] <Russ> I just did build 196
  • [03:08:28] <Russ> I see a systemd binary, and a udevd binary
  • [03:08:28] <_troll_> but that's no cause to ridicule the VERY NOTION of forking
  • [03:08:33] <ka6sox> systemd is a radical change and if udevd is going to force us to go to systemd going forward then it will be not so much fun...
  • [03:08:44] <_troll_> try building it without having glib and dbus and other monstrosities around
  • [03:08:56] <Russ> why does my built udevd binary depend on systemd?
  • [03:09:16] <Russ> my udevd binary doesn't depend on glib or dbus
  • [03:09:20] <_troll_> they've been slowly moving features from udev to systemd
  • [03:09:32] <_troll_> Russ: no, but BUILDING IT does
  • [03:09:45] <_troll_> the configure script bails out if it can't find ALL the deps
  • [03:10:07] <ka6sox> of course 150m exceeds the Ethernet spec for Cat 5e but who's counting
  • [03:11:12] <Russ> well, the build needs a lot of other large packages too
  • [03:11:33] <_troll_> that is cause enough to fork it
  • [03:11:40] <Russ> like autoconf
  • [03:11:43] <Russ> automake
  • [03:11:43] <_troll_> such a vital component should need nothing more than libc
  • [03:12:33] <_troll_> an OPTIONAL dependency on libkmod would be acceptable
  • [03:12:50] <Russ> why is libkmod such a big deal?
  • [03:12:51] <_troll_> but most of my systems don't have modules AT ALL
  • [03:13:11] <_troll_> it's about building crap you don't need
  • [03:13:14] <Russ> '--disable-kmod disable loadable modules support'
  • [03:13:17] <Russ> you are good there
  • [03:13:55] <_troll_> hmm, what are the gentoo guys fussing about then?
  • [03:14:15] <Russ> I think they want a --make-modprobe-work-like-it-used-to
  • [03:14:22] <Russ> they want to use the old modprobe binary with fork/exec
  • [03:15:01] <_troll_> if that works in some situation where kmod doesn't, it means kmod is not mature enough to force on the world yet
  • [03:15:15] <Russ> I'm not sure what any of those situations would be
  • [03:15:27] <_troll_> note that I have used kmod on systems with separate /usr
  • [03:15:38] <_troll_> didn't have any problems with that
  • [03:16:07] <Russ> I think they are having difficultly with that for some reason, ubuntu has it configured to work properly on a /usr split though, so I don't know what their problem is
  • [03:16:08] <_troll_> but only because I was aware beforehand and made the necessary tweaks
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  • [03:16:31] <CareBear\> Russ : there is no problem, besides fear of upstream
  • [03:16:36] <Russ> I understand that dbus and libglib2.0 are a bit onerous build deps, but they aren't runtime deps
  • [03:16:45] <Russ> and they aren't that horrible of a dep
  • [03:16:51] <_troll_> I don't want dbus anywhere NEAR my systems
  • [03:16:55] <Russ> not worth forking anyway
  • [03:17:10] <CareBear\> I want kernel dbus
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  • [03:17:18] <Russ> libdbus isn't going to magically jump up and do things all on its own
  • [03:17:29] <_troll_> I don't trust it
  • [03:17:29] <Russ> and it isn't a runtime dep
  • [03:17:34] <_troll_> I don't trust devs that use it
  • [03:18:17] <_troll_> think of it as your daughter dating a biker
  • [03:18:30] <Russ> so the real problem is that the head developer uses dbus in one of his projects and so you won't use any of his software
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  • [03:18:54] <_troll_> no, the problem is that I don't trust dbus in any way whatsoever
  • [03:18:57] * Russ thinks lennart needs to come up with a pen name
  • [03:19:06] <CareBear\> Russ : oh long ago
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  • [03:19:14] <Russ> _troll_, but udevd 196 doesn't use dbus
  • [03:19:17] <Russ> or link against it
  • [03:19:21] <_troll_> I never said it did
  • [03:19:35] <_troll_> but to BUILD recent udev it has to be installed
  • [03:19:44] <Russ> only the library, not the daemon
  • [03:19:46] <_troll_> which means that SOMETHING ELSE might pick it up and link to it
  • [03:20:07] <Russ> then put it in a ~/opt/dbus
  • [03:21:48] <_troll_> no can do
  • [03:21:53] <Russ> ?
  • [03:22:09] <_troll_> somewhere a line must be drawn which we will not cross
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  • [03:22:47] <CareBear\> yes, because being flexible is too easy and saves too much time
  • [03:23:09] <Russ> see, now it's just sounding luddite
  • [03:23:14] <_troll_> for fucks sake... are you in on the conspiracy too?
  • [03:23:38] <Russ> haven't you figured it out yet?
  • [03:23:44] <Russ> everyone is, but you
  • [03:23:48] <_troll_> I thought someone doing bios replacements would appreciate the need for simplicity
  • [03:23:56] <Russ> here come the cameras now for the great reveal
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  • [03:24:17] <Russ> heh
  • [03:24:29] <Russ> cut and scene
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  • [03:29:48] <bones_was_here> new infrastructure is like this: always worse than its fanboys would have you believe, and always better than the doomsdayers and fudders would have you believe :)
  • [03:30:23] <CareBear\> define new
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  • [03:30:53] <bones_was_here> it is often hard to extract a reasoned perspective from the discussions about <piece of tech>
  • [03:31:14] <CareBear\> only when discussees do not use reason
  • [03:31:27] <bones_was_here> but amongst humans, that's excessively common
  • [03:32:06] <CareBear\> in my experience it has been rather uncommon in open source
  • [03:32:21] <CareBear\> I am seeing it more and more often though
  • [03:32:33] <CareBear\> either I move to other parts of open source, or times have changed
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  • [03:35:01] <ka6sox> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html
  • [03:35:01] <mdp> cool, schilling reference..I miss him
  • [03:35:08] <ka6sox> this says it all :P
  • [03:36:04] <CareBear\> ka6sox : I disagree.. Lennart just says what he wants to happen
  • [03:36:11] <CareBear\> ka6sox : who cares about that..
  • [03:36:18] <CareBear\> ka6sox : there is still no problem
  • [03:36:33] <ka6sox> if you say so.
  • [03:36:42] <bones_was_here> i'm sure linus will rant and rage and force something to be done about it if it becomes impossible to use linux without systemd
  • [03:37:00] <CareBear\> why would that ever be the case?
  • [03:37:19] <CareBear\> linux starts /sbin/init, regardless of what that may be
  • [03:38:02] <bones_was_here> because he seems to care about making linux accessible to the widest range of use cases possible, especially about not breaking existing ones
  • [03:38:19] <CareBear\> you misunderstand
  • [03:38:27] <CareBear\> why would it ever be the case that linux can not run without systemd
  • [03:39:13] <CareBear\> all the fuss is just fear of lennart
  • [03:39:19] <CareBear\> there is no problem
  • [03:39:30] <bones_was_here> i think you're generalising a bit too much
  • [03:39:54] <bones_was_here> nobody wants to go back to a pre-udev /dev
  • [03:40:05] <CareBear\> let him do what he wants, and *if* there is a problem in the future *then* do something
  • [03:40:26] <CareBear\> at that point I would suggest to join upstream
  • [03:40:38] <bones_was_here> yep thats my approach (waiting to see if there's a problem)
  • [03:41:08] <CareBear\> but meanwhile you're also making it sound like there is already a problem
  • [03:41:21] <CareBear\> at least just now
  • [03:41:27] <CareBear\> but maybe that's just playing devil's advocate
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  • [03:45:57] <bones_was_here> my intention was more to point out that extreme positions (yes that must be adopted yesterday for 100% of tasks, no i will never use that because i dont like x) tend not to be rational because they ignore valid arguments or dismiss them as fud
  • [03:46:43] <bones_was_here> unfortunately those with the strongest opinions are often the loudest
  • [03:47:03] <bones_was_here> this is a problem relevant to all of human endeavour, not just software :)
  • [03:49:24] <sh1v> is anybody using 8192cu-based wifi cards?
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  • [03:49:45] <agmlego> Nope. Nobody on the face of the planet uses those.
  • [03:49:54] <sh1v> having some serious stability issues-- kernel panics and the like-- and was wondering if anybody had any luck with them
  • [03:50:19] <Jojoo_> what is the latest beagleboard-xm? how can you tell it's the latest?
  • [03:50:57] <sh1v> agmlego: I'm assuming you're using one then? ;]
  • [03:51:13] <agmlego> sh1v: Absolutely not.
  • [03:51:26] <agmlego> sh1v: I run only Intel wireless chipsets.
  • [03:51:47] <agmlego> Because they work, they are well-supported, they never fail, and they just. fucking. work.
  • [03:51:47] <Jojoo_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BeagleBoard-BB-XM-00-Rev-C-Development-Platform-/390457645985?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae916dba1
  • [03:51:49] <sh1v> these cheap wifi dongles are hell on earth
  • [03:51:54] <Jojoo_> is that the latest beagleboard-xm?
  • [03:52:10] <sh1v> good thing we have a thousand of them :|
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  • [03:52:43] <Jojoo_> and what is beagleboard-BB-XM-00-Rev-C?
  • [03:52:47] <Jojoo_> what is 00 there?
  • [03:53:08] <CareBear\> Jojoo_ : doesn't the wiki have all the hardware revision info?
  • [03:53:25] <Jojoo_> nope it's not mentioned there.
  • [03:53:27] <CareBear\> agmlego : my ipw3945 isn't very good at all
  • [03:53:32] <CareBear\> it is
  • [03:53:52] <Jojoo_> aw will look at it again.
  • [03:54:02] <agmlego> CareBear\: I...fell for you, man?
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  • [03:55:25] <CareBear\> agmlego : just saying, they aren't great
  • [03:55:39] <CareBear\> agmlego : the ipw2200 was also no superstar
  • [03:56:01] <CareBear\> Jojoo_ : http://www.google.com/search?q=beagleboard+hardware+revisions first hit is a page full of hardware revision information
  • [03:56:05] <CareBear\> Jojoo_ : how can you not find that?
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  • [03:56:28] <agmlego> CareBear\: OK, shall I modify my statement to indicate that the cards I use are all iwlagn cards?
  • [03:57:01] <CareBear\> agmlego : might be wise. do you use wpa_supplicant with them?
  • [03:57:18] <agmlego> Probably at some level, yes.
  • [03:57:27] <agmlego> I use WICD to configure them.
  • [03:57:49] <agmlego> So, yes, likely there is wpa_supplicant involved when I am on a secure network.
  • [03:57:50] <CareBear\> hm, isn't that the opposite of wpa_supplicant, so to say?
  • [03:57:55] <agmlego> ...no?
  • [03:57:59] <CareBear\> no?
  • [03:58:16] <CareBear\> oh, it's the opposite of network-manager
  • [03:58:23] <agmlego> How would it be?
  • [03:58:29] <agmlego> Ah.
  • [03:59:21] <CareBear\> Jojoo_ : then there's of course also http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design
  • [03:59:36] <CareBear\> Jojoo_ : where you have every SRM for every hardware revision
  • [03:59:51] <CareBear\> Jojoo_ : (the SRM contains list of changes for each rev)
  • [04:00:07] <CareBear\> Jojoo_ : that page is the second hit in that google search
  • [04:00:10] <CareBear\> I don't know..
  • [04:02:24] <Jojoo_> Thanks carebear
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  • [04:07:21] <CareBear\> you're welcome
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  • [04:17:45] <Jojoo_> Is it c or a the latest revision?
  • [04:18:42] <Jojoo_> for beagleboard-xm
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  • [04:26:03] <sh1v> stupid question, but how do I get my hands on the source for an older kernel?
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  • [04:26:14] <sh1v> particularly interested in 3.2.18-psp14
  • [04:27:12] <sh1v> kernel.org is hard to navigate
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  • [04:35:46] <CareBear\> what is psp14?
  • [04:36:17] <CareBear\> anyway, I don't think you will find that at kernel.org
  • [04:36:30] <sh1v> i managed to nab it via their FTP :)
  • [04:36:37] <sh1v> but yeh, don't know about this PSP business
  • [04:36:46] <sh1v> apparently it's TI's "platform support package"
  • [04:36:50] <sh1v> whatever the hell that means
  • [04:37:00] <CareBear\> so then you will need to get the kernel from TI
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  • [04:53:07] <Guest77864> hi
  • [04:53:54] <Guest77864> Can anybody help me to bring up the Beagle board xM with android Xm
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  • [05:39:58] * mranostay moos
  • [05:42:09] <ka6sox> +f
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  • [05:45:22] <emeb_mac> who let the cows out... who... who...
  • [05:45:36] <mranostay> wow that is an oldie
  • [05:45:49] <emeb_mac> with a bovine spin
  • [05:46:19] <emeb_mac> maybe old to you
  • [05:46:24] * emeb_mac shakes cane
  • [05:47:05] <mranostay> 2000 i was a freshman in HS :P
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  • [05:48:19] <emeb_mac> 2000 I'd been out of college for 15 years
  • [05:48:44] * emeb_mac is a fossil
  • [05:49:38] <Russ> last night I outside and the owls were going back and forth
  • [05:49:40] <mranostay> this channel certainly runs the gambit of ages
  • [05:49:42] <Russ> who who who who
  • [05:49:49] <Russ> and the who who wh-MOOOOOO
  • [05:49:55] <Russ> cow shut them up good
  • [05:50:03] <mranostay> Russ: are you a dork? :)
  • [05:50:08] <Russ> yes, thank you
  • [05:50:49] <emeb_mac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf-oiIbVnw
  • [05:52:09] <mranostay> wtf did i just watch?
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  • [05:52:39] <mranostay> some David Lynch film?
  • [05:52:49] <emeb_mac> Twin Peaks
  • [05:53:13] <emeb_mac> You were probably in 4th grade when that came out. :)
  • [05:53:30] <mranostay> wow never watched the series i guessed that
  • [05:53:37] <emeb_mac> good guess
  • [05:54:05] <mranostay> has he made one 'normal' movie or show?
  • [05:54:30] <emeb_mac> David Lynch is orthogonal to normal.
  • [05:54:51] <mranostay> so the pandaboard has a M3 core right?
  • [05:54:53] <emeb_mac> whoa - getting all geometrical there.
  • [05:55:55] <emeb_mac> I wonder how many different ARM cores there are in that SoC.
  • [05:56:39] <emeb_mac> including the ones that aren't publicly documented, like the one one the C64x in the Beagleboard.
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  • [06:19:30] <ka6sox> more than we ever want to know
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  • [06:35:28] <mranostay> anyone heard of ARM Trustzone?
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  • [06:43:01] <ka6sox> wonder if mru's ears are burning ;D
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  • [06:45:28] <mranostay> yeah i was hoping he was here
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  • [06:49:58] <ka6sox> morning woglinde
  • [06:50:50] <mranostay> yeah some xyz company's recuiter wants my resume fits ARM security..
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  • [06:51:42] <mranostay> _av500_: poke poke
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  • [07:17:14] <Guest626> help me to get best Android ICS source code to port on Beagle board Xm. I am using http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/ICSonBeagleboard link currenlty which am getting kernel issues.
  • [07:19:45] <emeb_mac> yay!!111!eleventy!! Android porting again!
  • [07:19:48] <mranostay> heh
  • [07:19:59] * mranostay opens another beer
  • [07:20:52] <mranostay> mmmmm ^M's in this source file
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  • [07:24:51] <beaglenewb> I am not able to figure out why I can't output to my beagletouch
  • [07:25:00] <beaglenewb> my console output works fine
  • [07:25:09] <beaglenewb> and the beagletouch is connected to a console
  • [07:25:23] <beaglenewb> is there some activity log that i can look at?
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  • [07:25:50] <beaglenewb> to see if the systems can even see that there is a beagle touch connected to it?
  • [07:28:48] <beaglenewb> the console loads up the angstrom, but i don't know why the beagletouch doesn't show anything
  • [07:32:19] <ds2> porting ice cream sandwiches can be interesting
  • [07:32:36] <ds2> I'd suggest a die grinder, with a fine blade in a very cold environment
  • [07:32:37] <mranostay> mmmm good idea ds2
  • [07:32:58] <ds2> OTH, I donno why someone would want to port it though
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  • [07:34:39] <ds2> most people prefer to port intakes and exhaust
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  • [07:35:02] <ds2> but I suppose, ice cream is good practice material if not messy
  • [07:35:16] <emeb_mac> mmmmm... ice cream...
  • [07:36:32] <mranostay> i wish the musb driver would shutup and not spam dmesg..
  • [07:36:56] * mranostay curses his former employer's IP block
  • [07:37:01] <ds2> and i wish the musb driver would just work
  • [07:37:03] <ds2> ;)
  • [07:37:44] <ds2> every sincel F'ing implementation has its own quirks combine that with ever F'ing version that introduces new bugs....
  • [07:38:08] <mranostay> blame Mentor that is my cop out
  • [07:38:27] <mranostay> although i'd didn't work in that division
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  • [07:40:26] <ds2> u were a acquisition,weren't u?
  • [07:40:50] <Guest77864> please give me solution for following kernel issue:
  • [07:41:50] <ds2> 42
  • [07:41:56] <mranostay> ds2: yes :)
  • [07:42:27] <ds2> mranostay: bought and sold like chattel :)
  • [07:42:41] <Guest626> <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Modules linked in:Modules linked in: CPU: 0 Not tainted (2.6.29-rc3-omap1-gb7a2014-dirty #2) CPU: 0 Not tainted (2.6.29-rc3-omap1-gb7a2014-dirty #2)
  • [07:43:17] <Guest626> can u please tell me the solution for above issue
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  • [07:43:55] <mranostay> the problem is?
  • [07:45:15] <woglinde> holy shit 2.6.29-rc1
  • [07:45:28] <koen> rc3 even
  • [07:45:33] <woglinde> ups
  • [07:45:35] <woglinde> yes
  • [07:45:39] <woglinde> and omap1
  • [07:45:42] <koen> and it's dirrrrrrrrrrrrrty
  • [07:45:45] <woglinde> wonder which device it is
  • [07:45:52] <koen> woglinde: 'omap1' is just the tag
  • [07:45:57] <ds2> koen: ain't that one of your old turds? ;)
  • [07:45:58] <koen> that's how linux-omap is versioned
  • [07:45:58] <woglinde> okay
  • [07:45:59] <Russ> does that have one of those 'historical marker' plaques on it?
  • [07:46:17] <koen> ds2: not likely, I don't release rcX stuff
  • [07:46:46] <koen> especially not early rc stuff like rc3
  • [07:46:54] <woglinde> hm its time for my second round of sleep
  • [07:47:11] <woglinde> till later
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  • [08:28:37] <Guest626> the problem is?
  • [08:28:58] <koen> ka6sox: is emerald down?
  • [08:29:05] <Guest626> I have build kernel from http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/ICSonBeagleboard link
  • [08:29:14] <Guest626> the issue is
  • [08:29:30] <Guest626> Code: Code: e24cb004 e24cb004 e5d0201d e5d0201d e5903004 e5903004 e1a02211 e1a02211 (e7d30002) (e7d30002) <4>---end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 --- <4>---end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 --- <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
  • [08:29:39] <Guest626> due to <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Internal error: : 1028 #1 Modules linked in:Modules linked in:
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  • [08:46:05] <ka6sox> koen, yes...let me kick it\
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  • [08:58:10] <ka6sox> koen, its rebuilding the RAID...95% done...should be up shortly
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  • [09:00:32] <panto> gm
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  • [10:40:31] <Guest77864> could u pls tell me the solution for the below error....itz produced while booting the kerenel
  • [10:40:58] <Guest77864> <6>io scheduler cfq registered <6>io scheduler cfq registered <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <6>Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 <1>Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xd806a000 Internal error: : 1028 [#1] Internal error: : 1028 [#1] Modules linked in:Modules linked in: CPU: 0
  • [10:41:08] <Guest77864> after this
  • [10:41:33] <Guest77864> at the end log is - <4>---[ end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 ]--- <4>---[ end trace 9630bd7ba60eb660 ]--- <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
  • [10:45:46] <Russ> *sigh*
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  • [11:26:12] <jackmitchell> how do I set a MAC address on the mainline beaglebone kernel, can I do it through a u-boot parameter?
  • [11:26:36] <jackmitchell> I know it's temorary and a stand-off is on-going about how it should be done, but in the meantime...
  • [11:26:40] <panto> ethaddr or usbethaddr (can't remember which) in u-boot
  • [11:27:00] <panto> will need to pass a kernel command line parameter to make the kernel use too IIRC
  • [11:27:13] <panto> although it depends on the kernel
  • [11:27:36] <panto> there is a h/w mac address, but not all kernels use it
  • [11:27:58] <panto> err, bone = !usbethaddr
  • [11:28:08] <panto> sorry (thought it was beagleboard)
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  • [11:31:16] <jackmitchell> panto: ok, thanks I will look into it
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  • [12:06:12] <mhaberler> dvance_: I'd like to talk Xenomai on the bb with you
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  • [13:16:50] <LetoThe2nd> are 4GB disk space nowadays enough for a kernel build?
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  • [13:24:49] <woglinde> yes
  • [13:25:31] <LetoThe2nd> \o/
  • [13:25:41] <woglinde> why you are asking?
  • [13:27:24] <LetoThe2nd> if my throwaway sticks are still large enough to compile on them on my small scale machines :)
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  • [16:45:48] <mranostay> morning trolls
  • [16:46:07] <mdp> bleh
  • [16:46:56] <mdp> call with .in ... mourning!
  • [16:46:56] <av500> blarg
  • [16:47:20] <mdp> mranostay, exact steps was involved, surprised?
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  • [17:16:00] <djlewis> humbug!
  • [17:16:00] <mranostay> mdp: it is after noon you at least drinking on the call?
  • [17:17:45] <mdp> very nearly
  • [17:20:40] <av500> Feirond!
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  • [17:25:20] <woglinde> hobbit?
  • [17:25:41] <Russ> 48 hobbits per second?
  • [17:26:21] <Russ> 576 dwarves per second?
  • [17:27:37] <mdp> where are my dragons?
  • [17:27:51] <ka6sox> Thar be Dragons?
  • [17:28:40] <mdp> from the North!
  • [17:29:40] <woglinde> no from the east
  • [17:32:34] <mdp> they're all over the fscking place
  • [17:33:32] <Russ> the dragon has three heads?
  • [17:34:21] <mdp> the heads are full of stars
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  • [17:50:13] <panto> heh
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  • [17:58:52] <Garfield_> Hi, I'm french student, and i need help with my beagleboard C4
  • [17:59:12] <AndrevS> Hi
  • [18:00:01] <Garfield_> I update MLO and u-boot, but i had a problem during update and now, my bb don't boot :(
  • [18:00:34] <AndrevS> Does it show anything at the console?
  • [18:02:01] <AndrevS> The thing is MLO has to be written first, so, how did you perform the update? As overwriting the files might create new entries in the file system, causing MLO not being the first file anymore.
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  • [18:02:41] <Garfield_> I have nothing more on the console...
  • [18:02:44] <AndrevS> Therefore, format the FAT boot partition again, and only then copy the files over, MLO first (don't forget to back up your other files like the kernel etc)
  • [18:07:05] <Russ> AndrevS, I think you are thinking of XM
  • [18:07:50] <Russ> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleNANDFlashing
  • [18:09:49] <thurbad> Garfield_: did you update MLO on NAND or SD?
  • [18:09:53] <Russ> Garfield_, can you give more details?
  • [18:10:23] <Garfield_> I update MLO on NAND
  • [18:11:02] <Russ> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery
  • [18:11:35] <Russ> have you tried booting from MMC (user button?)
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  • [18:16:08] <Garfield_> I have tried booting from mmc, but i have the identical result
  • [18:17:02] <Russ> if you hold down the user button on power up, and don't see 40T, it isn't an update issue
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  • [18:19:10] <Garfield_> ho...
  • [18:19:37] <Russ> are you connected to the serial port?
  • [18:20:51] <Garfield_> yes, and used GKTerm (on ubuntu)
  • [18:21:12] <Russ> so you have power to the board off, you hold down the user button, and then plug power in, right?
  • [18:22:06] <mranostay> where is the head troll at?
  • [18:22:14] <AndrevS> I think it was hold user, hold reset, releaase reset, release user
  • [18:22:25] <Russ> mranostay, did you look under the bridge?
  • [18:22:50] <mranostay> what are the chances i pick the right on?
  • [18:22:51] <mranostay> *one
  • [18:23:04] <mranostay> more likely to find Crofton|work under one in this area :)
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  • [18:28:31] <Garfield_> Russ, Yes, but, i have on the console a special caracter
  • [18:29:05] <Russ> are you set to 115200n8?
  • [18:30:25] <Garfield_> Baud Rate 115200, Parity none, Bits 8, Stopbits 1, Flow controle none
  • [18:31:31] <Russ> is anything plugged into USB?
  • [18:32:21] <thurbad> you don't see the 40 at startup?
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  • [18:34:19] <Garfield_> no, they are juste power and serial
  • [18:34:36] <Russ> have you tried closing your terminal program and re-opening it?
  • [18:35:39] <Garfield_> yes
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  • [19:20:03] <mranostay> Russ: you sound like the helpdesk
  • [19:21:40] <Russ> mranostay, I'm pretty sure it's sending ...40T..., but something in his serial setup is not working right
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  • [19:30:27] <dwalsh_> 16:18 < dwalsh> http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid-armhf/v3.7.0-bone2/
  • [19:30:27] <dwalsh_> 16:19 < dwalsh> ^ unstable and purely testing branch to see what mainline support has been added to the linux kernel
  • [19:30:30] <dwalsh_> 16:19 < dwalsh> for the beaglebone/am335x
  • [19:30:41] <mranostay> ah
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  • [19:53:14] <unsolo_wrk> Hola
  • [19:53:48] <unsolo_wrk> so i made my inline asm work with mfpu=neon but with mfpu=vfp it doesnt seem to want to take %P0 and %P1 ..
  • [19:54:01] <unsolo_wrk> or is it the =w and w?
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  • [19:54:35] <unsolo_wrk> anyone here with any ideas ?
  • [20:01:03] <unsolo_wrk> with mfpu=neon it easely takes %P0 and %P1 into something like vsqrts.f32 %P0 %P1 : "=w"(output) : "w"(input)
  • [20:01:20] <unsolo_wrk> but with mfp=vfpv3 i get invalid operand for code P
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  • [20:09:13] <unsolo_wrk> wishes for some help ;)
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  • [20:13:22] <woglinde> unsolo_wrk wait for mru
  • [20:14:36] * LetoThe2nd hates codesourcery. right here, right now.
  • [20:14:48] <unsolo_wrk> haha
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  • [20:20:31] <woglinde> leto the toolchain, the company or the workers?
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  • [20:22:15] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: the toolchain.
  • [20:24:09] <Garfield_> Russ, if i boot my bb with MMC, and MLO file, i have on console "Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.2 (Feb 19 2009 - 12:01:24) Reading boot sector Error: reading boot sector Loading u-boot.bin from nand"
  • [20:24:39] <Garfield_> and nothing
  • [20:25:52] <jacekowski> no u-boot in nand then
  • [20:27:50] <Garfield_> ok, but, how install u-boot in nand?
  • [20:28:09] <keesj> do you also have u-boot.bin on the MMC ?
  • [20:28:22] <jacekowski> you need sd card with everything on it
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  • [20:29:50] <Garfield_> on my card, they are MLO, u-boot.bin and x-load.bin.ift
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  • [20:36:54] <Garfield_> did you have solution for me? :s
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  • [20:43:38] <woglinde> Garfield_ uhm 2009
  • [20:43:42] <woglinde> thats old
  • [20:43:48] <woglinde> use a newer MLO
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  • [20:44:12] <woglinde> garfield try it with all from here
  • [20:44:14] <woglinde> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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  • [20:48:00] <Garfield_> ok, thank you! i download a new MLO and u-boot.img file, and now it's good :)
  • [20:48:11] <Russ> yay
  • [20:48:22] <Garfield_> now, i want install u-boot on NAND >_<
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  • [20:49:55] <Garfield_> I think i have found
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  • [20:55:04] <unsolo_wrk> mru you on ?
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  • [21:00:02] <djlewis> the barmaid might have him
  • [21:03:47] <woglinde> hehe
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  • [21:09:50] <n00b_> any reason angstrom uses gcc 4.5 prerelease rather than the latest, stable, 4.7?
  • [21:10:52] <mranostay> latest and stable. pick one :)
  • [21:11:24] <n00b_> ...you suggesting a 4.5 *prerelease* is more stable than a 4.7 final release???
  • [21:12:28] <n00b_> the internal compilers errors i'm running into with 4.5,which have been fixed in later versions, seem to suggest otherwise.
  • [21:19:13] <Garfield_> sorry, i have a new problem... :(
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  • [21:20:24] <Garfield_> now, I boot my bb on the MMC, with MLO, u-boot.img and x-load.bin.ift, I have on the console
  • [21:20:33] <Garfield_> U-Boot SPL 2011.12-00010-ga3eb89c (Jan 29 2012 - 14:53:43) Texas Instruments Revision detection unimplemented Error: Bad compare! failed
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  • [21:27:16] <Russ> Garfield_, non-issue
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  • [21:30:02] <Russ> it just means that you have some un-programmed nand
  • [21:30:12] <Russ> or your nand is programmed with a different ecc than it is expecting
  • [21:36:06] <mdp> mranostay, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/131
  • [21:37:18] <woglinde> hm wonder if I have an entry too
  • [21:37:21] <unsolo_wrk> mru u here ?
  • [21:37:33] <Russ> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/woglinde
  • [21:37:35] <unsolo_wrk> this inline asm thing is driving me crazy
  • [21:37:55] * mdp notes Russ advertising the new search feature ;)
  • [21:38:47] <woglinde> haha
  • [21:38:58] <woglinde> thanks
  • [21:40:16] <unsolo_wrk> ok i give up for today cya
  • [21:40:35] <woglinde> gn unsolo
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  • [21:53:55] <mdp> pandakoen, indeed
  • [21:54:16] <prpplague> hehe
  • [21:54:43] <prpplague> mdp: should we rent a panda costume for koen to wear at ELC?
  • [21:54:51] <mdp> I'm in!
  • [21:55:30] <mdp> btw, we have fresh meat from "my TI" going to be there???we should plan some insidious forms of torture for them.
  • [21:56:13] <prpplague> hehe
  • [21:56:24] <mdp> I hope for a bountiful harvest of Tizen stickers
  • [21:56:31] <prpplague> any idea of beagleboard and/or TI is sponsoring any ELC stuff?
  • [21:56:33] <prpplague> hehe
  • [21:56:45] <koen> prpplague: poke clint
  • [21:56:46] <mdp> prpplague: you know that's impossible to predict
  • [21:57:14] <mdp> prpplague: look at the vague response from jkridner even on the beagleboard g+ community in that one thread
  • [21:57:33] <prpplague> mdp: oh i must have missed that
  • [21:57:37] <prpplague> mdp: url?
  • [21:57:47] * prpplague goes to search
  • [21:59:14] <mdp> https://plus.google.com/u/1/107371796168113837598/posts/d2LN4atfbSL
  • [21:59:28] <mdp> I just mean that even he says it'll take some time for the dust to settle
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  • [22:00:08] <mdp> my only desire is to counter the constant stream of lies or half-truths about the end of OMAP :)
  • [22:00:24] <koen> totally
  • [22:01:46] <mdp> ok, I have other desires
  • [22:02:00] <mdp> somebody should by me one of those 65% ABV beers
  • [22:02:04] <mdp> s/by/buy/
  • [22:02:18] <mdp> I will then provide hours of good company
  • [22:02:26] <koen> sink the bismark?
  • [22:02:44] <ka6sox> this is the problem with today's "press"...nobody bothers to factcheck what is being put out as "news"
  • [22:03:24] <Crofton|work> koen, have you been traveling today?
  • [22:03:56] <koen> Crofton|work: yes
  • [22:04:19] <Crofton|work> that would explain all the notifications from chrome reporting you in different towns then
  • [22:04:24] <koen> :)
  • [22:04:41] <koen> my old boss at the uni retired after 43 years
  • [22:04:47] <Crofton|work> ah cool
  • [22:04:49] <Crofton|work> party?
  • [22:04:57] <koen> yes
  • [22:05:08] <koen> although I had to cut it short for a conference call
  • [22:05:11] <koen> but such is life
  • [22:05:40] <koen> social calendar is filled with dinner dates with people we ran into tonight
  • [22:05:52] <mdp> "Clint! Can't talk, at a party!"
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  • [22:07:08] <mdp> ka6sox: it's been a bit of an annoyance to me lately..and not just TI..also the misinformation about FSL and i.mx7 somehow killing there entire product line ;)
  • [22:07:09] <koen> 9pm nicely coincided with my 3 beer limit
  • [22:07:20] <koen> and the 1h drive was enough to get me sober
  • [22:07:28] <koen> so in the end it worked out great
  • [22:07:51] <mdp> koen, there are no limits at ELC
  • [22:08:11] <mdp> ok, the pesky code of conduct, but otherwise...
  • [22:08:26] <koen> I vaguely remember what happened at collab when I broke the 3 beers rule
  • [22:08:42] <Russ> maybe it's time to troll some trolls with fake coc enforcement letters under their hotel door or something
  • [22:08:43] <ka6sox> mdp, I hear ya...Sensationalism over Substance!
  • [22:09:16] <Russ> we have been notified by your inflammatory choice of t-shirt...
  • [22:09:24] <Russ> er, of your
  • [22:09:30] <mdp> ka6sox: sometimes wish that stuff could be limited to politics and local violent crime coverage ;)
  • [22:09:47] <mdp> Russ, excellent
  • [22:10:02] <ka6sox> mdp, agreed (although it really has no place there either)
  • [22:10:06] <mdp> definitely need some plans
  • [22:10:17] <koen> so
  • [22:10:22] <koen> speaking of code of conduct
  • [22:10:25] <mdp> ka6sox: I've grudgingly accepted that stuff as the norm
  • [22:10:32] <ka6sox> *sigh*
  • [22:10:34] <koen> what's does it say about the ELC "Massage Lounge"?
  • [22:10:51] <mdp> it's like the champagne room, I heard
  • [22:10:54] <mdp> so no worries
  • [22:13:14] <koen> Board level reset or power off (POWER_RESET) [N/y/?] (NEW)
  • [22:13:17] * koen wtfs
  • [22:14:21] <Russ> I think its something to allow device tree to tie a gpio to board power off /reset
  • [22:14:26] <Russ> (or other board specific method)
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