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  • [01:13:59] <mranostay> _av500_: yo
  • [01:14:29] <mranostay> does LH get really really picky about bag weight?
  • [01:14:38] <mranostay> like 1 kilo overage
  • [01:22:01] <alan_o> arrrrrrrrgh....
  • [01:22:09] <alan_o> stupid stupid stuipd
  • [01:22:24] <alan_o> #defines out of whack..... wasted an hour
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  • [01:26:57] <mru> mranostay: pack some helium balloons
  • [01:29:18] <mru> and why did you let them weigh the bags anyway?
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  • [01:59:56] <alan_o> mdp ?
  • [02:05:27] <mranostay> mdp has to be in beer time atm :P
  • [02:24:34] <mranostay> mru: they weight bags here
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  • [02:27:36] <mru> even carry-on?
  • [02:29:34] <mranostay> depends on the airline
  • [02:29:54] <mru> I always use online checkin so they never really get a chance
  • [02:30:04] <mru> and I don't check bags
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  • [03:11:45] <alan_o> ICE on stdarg.h
  • [03:11:48] <alan_o> arrrrrrrgh
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  • [03:23:48] <emeb> whoa - tsunami warning due to a 7.1 quake off the coast of B.C.
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  • [03:58:09] <mranostay> emeb: get out the surf board?
  • [03:58:34] <alan_o> mranostay: any chance you're on the 3.7 kernel on bone?
  • [03:58:52] <mranostay> yes
  • [03:59:00] <mranostay> something up?
  • [03:59:01] <alan_o> so anything special there?
  • [03:59:04] <alan_o> yeah, won't boot :)
  • [03:59:09] <alan_o> I'm running old u-boot
  • [03:59:12] <alan_o> should that matter?
  • [03:59:22] <mranostay> where does it fail?
  • [03:59:27] <alan_o> U-Boot SPL 2011.09-00010-g81c8c79 (Feb 13 2012 - 14:48:03)
  • [03:59:36] <alan_o> Starting kernel ...
  • [03:59:42] <alan_o> no output after that
  • [03:59:48] <mranostay> using the dtb uImage?
  • [03:59:54] <alan_o> I'm using my same stuff to boot as I did for 3.6 and 3.5
  • [04:00:00] <alan_o> those still boot no problem
  • [04:00:06] <alan_o> yes
  • [04:00:10] <alan_o> uImage with dtb glued on
  • [04:00:13] <mranostay> who's tree?
  • [04:00:20] <alan_o> koen's 3.7
  • [04:00:32] <mranostay> branch?
  • [04:00:36] <alan_o> I wonder if the dtb gluing isn't working right......
  • [04:00:37] <alan_o> the 3.7 branch
  • [04:00:40] <alan_o> stand by
  • [04:00:46] <alan_o> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.7
  • [04:01:31] <mranostay> i'm using https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/tree/3.7-for-panto-rebase
  • [04:02:06] <alan_o> hmmm
  • [04:02:12] <alan_o> the one I'm on was updated yesterday
  • [04:02:29] <alan_o> and I had to fix one of the patches (fuzz).
  • [04:02:44] <alan_o> I wonder if he didn't test the one that's on there right exactly now.
  • [04:02:51] <alan_o> but, I had this the other day
  • [04:02:59] <alan_o> couldn't boot with 3.7
  • [04:03:11] <alan_o> I turned off thumb2_kernel and it got farther
  • [04:03:18] <mranostay> no clue. haven't built an imae in a week or so
  • [04:03:22] <alan_o> this is new toolchain too (codesourcery)
  • [04:03:29] <mranostay> alan_o: yeah i never use the thumb2 kernel crap
  • [04:03:45] <alan_o> I'm just building the stock config that he has checked in
  • [04:03:50] <alan_o> trying to follow the exact steps :)
  • [04:03:57] <alan_o> but
  • [04:04:05] <alan_o> the one exact step I haven't followed is u-boot version
  • [04:04:22] <mranostay> i'm using the u-boot that came on the SD card
  • [04:04:40] <alan_o> yeah, that's what I've got too
  • [04:04:42] <alan_o> haven't touched it
  • [04:04:47] <alan_o> I pull my kernels from tftp
  • [04:05:00] <alan_o> but u-boot is stock from when I bought it
  • [04:05:26] <alan_o> ok, so the link you sent is an actual kernel tree
  • [04:06:38] <alan_o> Looks like it's reflected from one of the patch.sh repos
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  • [04:07:13] <alan_o> ok, I think I'm giving up for today. Thanks for the info
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  • [04:58:58] <mranostay> hi emeb_mac
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  • [05:05:33] <emeb_mac> mranostay: heya
  • [05:06:25] <emeb_mac> mranostay: how's things?
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  • [05:19:13] <mranostay> not too bad
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  • [05:23:26] <emeb_mac> getting psyched for ELC-E
  • [05:23:28] <emeb_mac> ?
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  • [07:00:15] <dm8tbr> yeeeeehaw
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  • [08:20:09] <dm8tbr> too bad I have to go to copenhagen and barcelona ;)
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  • [16:09:59] <dm8tbr> anyone here yet?
  • [16:11:15] <emeb_mac> they all went somewhere else. didn't you get the memo?
  • [16:14:07] <dm8tbr> aside from mru, he just got delayed
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  • [18:29:04] <alan_o> mranostay: I built that panto-rebase kernel, and still no love :( I think I need new u-boot. That's the next step
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  • [18:39:14] <mranostay> alan_o: or your doing it wrong :)
  • [18:40:55] <alan_o> could be. I built 3.6 and 3.5 to its satisfaction though.
  • [18:41:17] <alan_o> What toolchain do you use?
  • [18:41:46] <alan_o> I just picked up a CodeSourcery one. had been using a ct-ng one that I built, but it ICEd on 3.7
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  • [19:22:12] <mranostay> alan_o: Koen's angstrom ones
  • [19:22:49] <alan_o> ok, I may check that out. Another data point anyway. building u-boot-2012.10
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  • [19:29:08] <alan_o> hmm, I get streaming: "wait_for_user_access Timeout" . Looking at the code, It says: This timeout definition is a worst-case ultra defensive measure against
  • [19:29:08] <alan_o> * unexpected controller lock ups. Ideally, we should never ever hit this
  • [19:29:08] <alan_o> * scenario in practice.
  • [19:29:16] <alan_o> arrrrgh
  • [19:29:32] <alan_o> nothing is ever easy.....
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  • [20:17:34] <hiredman> any recommendations for small powered usb hubs?
  • [20:21:03] <mranostay> one that works?
  • [20:22:06] <hiredman> yeah, I am planning on upgrading from one that doesn't (fried it somehow)
  • [20:23:22] <alan_o> mranostay: Followed the exact steps. new u-boot. loading dtb from u-boot like the instructions. Nothing.... If you don't mind.. could you send me the git tag of the kernel you have, and the version of the toolchain download? I'm not sure what else to try at this point.
  • [20:23:32] <hiredman> I have a little robot with a beaglebone, and I am using the hub for wifi and a webcam, so I am looking for something smallish, the current hub I have is a little belkin 2 inch square thing
  • [20:26:19] <mranostay> alan_o: linux-3.7.0-rc2-58212-g20db468
  • [20:28:39] <alan_o> mranostay: I don't have that tag. I guess they rebased it away.... The branch name does have "rebase" in it.
  • [20:28:51] <alan_o> oh well.. thanks anyway.
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  • [20:35:43] <alan_o> ugh.... 12k/s on the toolchain download
  • [20:37:19] <mranostay> yeah koen has bad pipes :P
  • [20:37:41] <alan_o> Nobody ever says what the "popular android download" is either
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  • [20:39:38] <alan_o> trying to see if I can get a toolchain any faster from the us.feeds mirror of Narcissus.
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  • [20:40:03] <woglinde> sure
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  • [20:57:34] <alan_o> Well... with the narcissus toolchain.... ICE
  • [20:57:54] <alan_o> 41 minutes till the other one is downloaded
  • [20:58:24] <alan_o> (same ICE as I got from my ct-ng toolchain)
  • [20:58:53] <woglinde> alan_o seems you are bullied down
  • [20:59:20] <alan_o> Haven't heard it put quite like that before, but yes :(
  • [20:59:31] <alan_o> I envision it as the stack of problems
  • [20:59:37] <alan_o> stack depth is currently about.....
  • [20:59:57] <alan_o> well it depends what we're counting :)
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  • [21:01:58] <alan_o> 1. boot 3.7 kernel, 2. get the SPI comm with my device working (I am assuming SPI works on 3.7 bone kernel based on what I read), 3. start soldering up my cape
  • [21:02:35] <alan_o> right now it all "works" with 3.6 using spi-gpio, because when I started on the mainline stuff, SPI wasn't working yet. spi-gpio is of course slower than I want
  • [21:03:47] <alan_o> I failed to get spi working on 3.6 last night. Could have been any number of things, but I thought moving to 3.7 would be easier, getting onto a version where it for sure works.
  • [21:05:12] <alan_o> I'm hoping the new u-boot isn't necessary, because the cpsw doesn't seem to work at all in it. Maybe that's toolchain also. Once you don't trust your toolchain it's hard to say anything for certain.
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  • [21:27:38] <mranostay> hey koen
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  • [21:47:57] <_av500_> mranostay: give the man a break
  • [21:48:32] <_av500_> alsa, he is at the systemd gala dinner ...
  • [21:49:02] <mranostay> ah need pics from him for showcase poster :P
  • [21:49:15] <mranostay> oh nice another dead SD card
  • [21:49:33] <_av500_> throw it on the pile
  • [21:50:55] <mranostay> kingston no surprise
  • [21:51:27] <alan_o> Who do you like for SD cards?
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  • [21:53:39] <_av500_> sandisk
  • [21:53:41] <_av500_> and sandisk
  • [21:53:49] <_av500_> if not available
  • [21:53:52] <_av500_> use sandisk
  • [21:54:05] <alan_o> and never have to scandisk?
  • [21:54:26] <_av500_> I run DEFRAG.EXE twice daily
  • [21:54:33] <mranostay> i usually use sandisk
  • [21:58:30] <_av500_> whar do you chant while formatting?
  • [21:58:33] <_av500_> what*
  • [21:58:43] <_av500_> I settled on something runic
  • [21:59:35] <woglinde> good night
  • [22:00:24] <_av500_> woglinde: you have 1h more!
  • [22:00:26] <_av500_> use it!
  • [22:00:59] <mranostay> heh
  • [22:03:24] <alan_o> aw man... I'm gonna lose my extra hour on the plane to ELC....
  • [22:04:08] <woglinde> av500 I used it last night
  • [22:08:19] <_av500_> I used only 30 minutes last night
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  • [22:10:12] <alan_o> mranostay: ok.... something seriously wrong
  • [22:10:39] <alan_o> Assembler messages: Error: unrecognized option -mauto-it
  • [22:10:50] <alan_o> argh
  • [22:12:46] <mranostay> that is thumb2
  • [22:12:54] <mranostay> turn off the kernel option
  • [22:13:08] <alan_o> koen swears that works
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  • [22:15:33] <alan_o> ok, it got past that... Seems like on my ct-ng compiler there was something else related to thumb. different error.
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  • [22:21:50] <_av500_> ctng?
  • [22:21:57] <alan_o> crosstool-ng
  • [22:25:41] <alan_o> ok, here's a really dumb question...... I'm not putting the modules on there, just the uImage. There's no way that can make me see _nothing_ after "Starting Kernel," right? I mean it never has before.
  • [22:25:55] <alan_o> unless serial port is compiled in as a module
  • [22:26:09] <alan_o> early printk turned off?
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  • [22:28:21] <_av500_> you should see something
  • [22:28:27] <_av500_> modules or not
  • [22:28:47] <alan_o> yeah, that's what I'd tell someone who asked me..... but I'm pulling my hair out here.
  • [22:28:52] <_av500_> unless you are running HURD and Linux as a module...
  • [22:29:02] <alan_o> I'm lost... different u-boots, different compilers
  • [22:29:08] <alan_o> same kernel
  • [22:29:16] <_av500_> and same command line?
  • [22:29:21] <_av500_> print the uboot env
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  • [22:29:37] <alan_o> yeah, good point
  • [22:29:46] <alan_o> I'm using koen's uEnv.txt
  • [22:31:21] <alan_o> http://pastebin.com/Zz665Ah3
  • [22:31:34] <alan_o> ok, so it's koen's uEnv.txt with one change :)
  • [22:31:54] <alan_o> The change is to load stuff from the FAT partition instead of the ext4 partition
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  • [22:32:36] <alan_o> I changed the env in the u-boot source a bit too (for the same purpose). But it shouldn't matter. The files are getting loaded properly
  • [22:32:39] <alan_o> and it's the correct ones
  • [22:32:49] <alan_o> (because I renamed /boot in the ext4 partition)
  • [22:35:26] <alan_o> ok
  • [22:35:34] <alan_o> turned on earlyprintk and now I see output
  • [22:35:42] <alan_o> I'm wondering now about the command line
  • [22:35:50] <alan_o> why didn't something set the console....
  • [22:36:05] <alan_o> (btw it panics with no init found, so there's probably no command line
  • [22:36:10] <alan_o> arrgh. how did that happen....
  • [22:38:30] <alan_o> oh no! I broke the command line when I was screwing with the u-boot env......
  • [22:39:07] <alan_o> hmm. still says console=ttyO0....
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  • [22:40:15] * _av500_ wonders if DT would help here
  • [22:40:36] <alan_o> hehe, it's the problem and the solution :)
  • [22:40:46] <alan_o> kind of like that Microsoft virus scanner
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  • [22:51:27] <_av500_> not you too
  • [22:51:38] <alan_o> et tu mranostay ?
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  • [22:52:26] * mranostay goes to talk in the mirror 25-35 minutes :)
  • [22:52:38] <alan_o> sweet! I'll be doing some of that this week.
  • [22:52:46] <alan_o> but I don't use a mirror
  • [22:52:51] <alan_o> too distracting to look at myself.
  • [22:53:07] <alan_o> "Man that guy is good looking" etc.
  • [22:53:25] <mranostay> alan_o: record youself and count the ums instead
  • [22:53:39] <_av500_> um, right!
  • [22:53:48] <alan_o> yeah, that too.... I try hard to add silence instead of "um"
  • [22:55:01] <mranostay> surprisingly not nervous.. but i guess that only matters the day of
  • [22:55:11] <alan_o> yeah
  • [22:55:21] <alan_o> I'm booting !
  • [22:55:33] <alan_o> 3.7 tftp nfs, woot!
  • [22:55:42] <_av500_> so what was it?
  • [22:55:43] <alan_o> same old u-boot
  • [22:55:49] <mranostay> someone needs to get out more :)
  • [22:56:09] <alan_o> Not sure yet. It's either the toolchain, or the lack of earlyprintk....
  • [22:57:21] <_av500_> its one of these where after debuggin when you revert everything back is still works
  • [22:57:22] <alan_o> mranostay: you said it sir.... I'll be really happy about 12pm CET on Nov 5
  • [22:58:08] <alan_o> oh, thumb is off
  • [22:58:20] <_av500_> put it on ice
  • [22:58:31] <alan_o> of course it wouldn't build with thumb on with this angstrom toolchain
  • [22:58:43] <alan_o> yeah, that's probably not a bad idea
  • [22:58:57] <alan_o> too many other things to do now...
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  • [23:29:18] <mdp> alan_o, I managed to damage my beaglebone last night...possibly overcurrented
  • [23:30:22] <mdp> excellent timing as I try to finish some code for next week :(
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  • [23:31:37] <alan_o> mdp: no!!
  • [23:31:55] <alan_o> I've actually been thinking about that.... worrying about destroying it
  • [23:32:33] <mdp> yeah, lovely weekend...I have to identify the culprit before attaching my backup bone
  • [23:33:16] <alan_o> yeah no doubt. the old sofware-guy's "that'll never happen again" doesn't really play here.
  • [23:33:48] <alan_o> So do you know about this capebus stuff?
  • [23:34:09] <alan_o> I've gotten 3.7 booting and I need to attach my spi driver
  • [23:34:20] <mdp> so far found one 6mA capable output that was shorted to gnd
  • [23:34:31] <alan_o> nothing in dmesg about spi0 or spi1 but "capebus.11: Registered spi-dt platform driver"
  • [23:34:45] <alan_o> That's a little more than 6mA
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  • [23:35:23] <mdp> well, I know about it from a general review sense as panto was working on it. but I'm still working on a non capebus code base
  • [23:35:45] <alan_o> I'm trying to figure out if I need to use it
  • [23:36:11] <mdp> I want to make sure there weren't two problems like that
  • [23:36:41] <alan_o> I'm happy to make a little board-alan.c file (which is what I had with 3.6) if that will work. Before though, I wasn't using spi1, but using spi-gpio instead because spi wasn't ready when I started.
  • [23:36:53] <alan_o> mdp: so was it a solder mistake?
  • [23:37:50] <mdp> no. I left of hardwired assertion to gnd wired on a bus xcvr after I hooked up a control signal from the bone
  • [23:38:28] <mdp> so internal pullip on. driven high and gnded externally
  • [23:39:21] <alan_o> the hardwired assertion was for testing, I assume then.
  • [23:39:40] <alan_o> Some hardware guys I know put resistors _everywhere_
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  • [23:40:01] <mdp> I expected more like isolated buffer death but I have a board that only starts 1/10 times now and then quits
  • [23:40:05] <alan_o> they don't really have good answers for why always, but certainly would have helped you here.
  • [23:40:40] <mdp> yes, this was a missed wire in my nest of wires. thought I pulled it :(
  • [23:40:41] <alan_o> yeah, it seems like I've read people on the mailing lists do seemingly simple things and the whole thing smokes. Like 5v on a 3.3v pin
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  • [23:42:21] <alan_o> seems like there's not a lot of protectoin
  • [23:43:09] <alan_o> contrasted with when I put my PIC18 directly onto an rs232 serial line (-12v) while forgetting the max232, and it still worked great afterward.
  • [23:43:43] <alan_o> I'm sure all that stuff is easier on a micro. These SOCs have a lot more to fit inside. Less space for protection
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