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  • [01:09:26] <prpplague> let us all welcome Koenan the coder
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  • [01:20:23] <prpplague> Russ: microwave next?
  • [01:20:30] <mru> storing some volatile data?
  • [01:20:43] <Russ> hrmph, spin up, but no enumeration yet
  • [01:21:01] <mru> dead drive?
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  • [01:24:37] <Russ> ya, my wife and her laptop had a fight
  • [01:24:40] <Russ> she "won"
  • [01:24:49] <Russ> hey, here we go, getting some more data
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  • [01:39:02] <mranostay> Russ: er won?
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  • [01:40:38] <Russ> mranostay, in the sense that the laptop lost
  • [01:42:06] <mranostay> dropped?
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  • [01:44:06] <mranostay> hurled at a wall?
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  • [05:11:47] <vijay> hi
  • [05:11:51] <vijay> all\
  • [05:12:02] <vijay> i have one question regarding beagle board xm
  • [05:12:16] <vijay> how can we debug beagle board
  • [05:12:19] <vijay> ?
  • [05:12:30] <vijay> jtag debugger
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  • [05:18:29] <dm8tbr> in most cases you won't need jtag
  • [05:18:54] <dm8tbr> just use the linux tools for debugging
  • [05:18:58] <dm8tbr> e.g. gdb
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  • [05:31:59] * mranostay yawns
  • [05:32:18] * mranostay moos in dm8tbr general direction as well
  • [05:32:42] <dm8tbr> mmmmmoooooooooo!
  • [05:34:25] <dm8tbr> mranostay: so, are you bringing your geiger-contraption to ELCE? :>
  • [05:34:58] <mranostay> yes
  • [05:35:20] <mranostay> i fully expect SFO to do extra screening on me
  • [05:36:21] <dm8tbr> btw: I also had my share of fun at LHR...
  • [05:37:11] <dm8tbr> I brought this Android IVI demonstration thing to ABS/ELC this year. It came in a big honking orange pelican case I had to take as hand luggage...
  • [05:37:11] <mranostay> i hope the Germans are more understanding :)
  • [05:38:28] <dm8tbr> I had 5 or 6 'random' security checks between arriving at LHR and flying out. The last one 5m before the airplane.
  • [05:39:45] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:41:55] <dm8tbr> since then this thing in its box had the nick name B.O.M.B.
  • [05:42:20] <mranostay> er who carries a bomb in the carry on? :)
  • [05:42:50] <dm8tbr> I will never forget the look on the security people's faces when I opened the pressure equalization valve.
  • [05:42:56] <mranostay> hehe
  • [05:43:43] <mranostay> dm8tbr: having my friend carry a spare tube
  • [05:43:54] <ds2> why are you carrying it?!
  • [05:44:03] <ds2> ship it via fedex, less issue
  • [05:44:04] <ds2> s
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  • [06:21:11] <vijay> if u are writing ur custom bootloader then jtag is requried
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  • [06:21:47] <vijay> so any cheap debugger is available for beagle board
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  • [08:43:29] <Russ> vijay, you don't even need jtag for that really
  • [08:43:44] <Russ> vijay, if you really like to debug things via gdb though, get a flyswatter
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  • [08:45:41] <vijay> russ thx
  • [08:45:54] <vijay> flyswatter is supported for beaglebard xm
  • [08:46:21] <av500> mranostay: why germany?
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  • [08:49:44] <keesj> vijay: the flyswatter is supported (http://www.tincantools.com/wiki/Flyswatter2#Beagleboard_XM_-_Linux) but overall debugging using openocd + gdb remains a pain
  • [08:52:13] <keesj> if you want to be more produtive you can do one of the following. use Code Composer Studio with a jtag adatper supported http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Category:Code_Composer_Studio_v5 + http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/XDS100#Where_to_get_an_XDS100_.2F_Where_to_buy_an_XDS100 or "simply" start your development using qemu
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  • [08:54:09] <keesj> Linaro has implemented a qemu beagleboard xm platform (I don't have the link ready)
  • [08:55:10] <keesj> git://git.linaro.org/qemu/qemu-linaro.git
  • [08:55:36] <vijay> thx
  • [08:55:58] <scrts> maybe someone knows what's the maximum bitrate of SPI slave in beaglebone? I mean at what bitrate I can send data to the beaglebone using SPI?
  • [08:56:09] <vijay> but if we have to debug linuk kernel
  • [08:56:33] <vijay> any idea on this
  • [08:56:39] <keesj> also http://code.google.com/p/beagleboot/ (or using starterware) is a good choice for getting started
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  • [09:00:33] <vijay> i want to learn linux completly from boot loader to pheripheral initilization, so just keen to know how can debugging be performed
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  • [09:01:53] <Russ> vijay, usually people don't learn that sort of thing though gdb
  • [09:02:03] <Russ> they just trace code
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  • [09:06:46] <av500> why does one need gdb to learn linux?
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  • [09:08:26] <LetoThe2nd> it feels more 1337 and debuggy.
  • [09:09:16] <vijay> russ, if i have to write linux driver and low level driver is provided by third party we can debug through trace
  • [09:09:50] <vijay> but if there is some problem in low level ddriver, then we might need debugger
  • [09:10:24] <LetoThe2nd> "trace all teh drivers!"
  • [09:10:40] <keesj> It is kind of a a nice way to experiment and learn.
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  • [09:11:37] <keesj> you sould not start learning to use a debugger when you have problems but start with a working system :P
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  • [09:12:21] <vijay> yes keesj u are right
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  • [15:40:45] <hckychmp10> hello everyone. I have recently inherited a beagle board with a C4 sticker on the board. I am assuming that means it is revision C4, but when I attempt to boot it from Nand the output is telling me that the board has board revision Ax/Bx. What is the best way to return the board to C4?
  • [15:41:22] <av500> ???
  • [15:41:28] <av500> you dont return it to C4
  • [15:41:41] <av500> just use it
  • [15:42:27] <woglinde> you can not change the hw
  • [15:42:33] <woglinde> but nice try
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  • [15:42:53] <emeb> perhaps the MLO is old and doesn't recognize the board revision correctly?
  • [15:43:18] <av500> usual recipe: 1) erase all NAND
  • [15:43:20] <av500> 2) boot from SD
  • [15:43:24] <av500> 3) be happy
  • [15:43:33] * emeb likes 3) especially.
  • [15:43:40] <emeb> can skip 1,2
  • [15:43:41] <woglinde> av500 I guess the next questions will be dsp and opencv
  • [15:44:05] <emeb> woglinde: not "how do I port Android?"
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  • [15:44:57] <woglinde> emeb thats the new trend?
  • [15:45:27] <emeb> yeah - wondering how to port Android is so last year.
  • [15:46:57] <jkridner> koen, denix: announcement of meta-beagleboard just went out
  • [15:47:16] <denix> jkridner: yay! thanks!
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  • [15:47:33] <hckychmp10> what would everyone recommend is the best method for installing ubuntu server on a SD to run on this Rev Ax/Bx board? NetInstall?
  • [15:47:38] <woglinde> ugh
  • [15:47:50] <woglinde> jkridner why was meta-ti not enough?
  • [15:48:18] <denix> woglinde: why not read the announcement?
  • [15:48:28] <woglinde> denix okay I will
  • [15:48:33] <jkridner> :)
  • [15:48:37] <woglinde> hckychmp10 who is everyone
  • [15:48:48] <hckychmp10> the people in this room
  • [15:48:55] <jkridner> I need a moderator to approve it on the meta-ti list.
  • [15:49:00] <woglinde> "everyone" here will tell you to install angstroem
  • [15:49:07] <denix> jkridner: 1 sec
  • [15:49:11] <jkridner> I sent it with @gmail.com rather than @beagleboard.org
  • [15:49:14] <woglinde> hm oh I am not subsecribed at meta-ti
  • [15:49:46] <av500> hckychmp10: for ubuntu, follow ubuntu instructions
  • [15:49:59] <av500> but 1st, erase that nand to make sure you are not booting with some ancient uboot
  • [15:50:01] <av500> and MLO
  • [15:50:10] <av500> since ubuntu wont program the flash for you...
  • [15:50:55] <woglinde> he yeah jkridner knows marketing speech
  • [15:51:06] <jkridner> :)
  • [15:51:10] <woglinde> Provide the best possible out-of-box-experience for BeagleBoard.org platforms ;)
  • [15:51:32] <denix> woglinde: that's why we tasked him with this message! although we had to wait many weeks for it... :)
  • [15:51:34] <emeb> gone to the dark side. Apparently they have cookies.
  • [15:52:06] <woglinde> okay till later
  • [15:52:19] <hckychmp10> av500: Thanks
  • [15:53:12] <woglinde> ah so the kernel used with angstroem will be hosted at there too
  • [15:53:14] <woglinde> *g*
  • [15:53:28] <woglinde> so av500 can point to it
  • [15:53:37] <woglinde> okay now I am really gone
  • [15:54:17] <denix> woglinde: no, the kernel will be on kernel.org and everyone will be using that one very soon :)
  • [15:54:38] <emeb> ah, optimism.
  • [15:55:17] <denix> emeb: you say half-empty, I say half-full! :)
  • [15:55:55] <emeb> denix: I'm an engineer - I say the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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  • [15:57:03] <denix> emeb: sure, it's better to adjust the question to fit the answer! :)
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  • [16:05:12] <mdp> denix, there's another kernel?!?
  • [16:05:27] <mdp> I thought I had to use the TI kernel
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  • [16:06:55] <denix> mdp: sure, that should be mainline!
  • [16:07:26] <mdp> but TI doesn't control mainline, how will that work?
  • [16:09:16] <prpplague> emeb: good answer....
  • [16:10:34] <denix> mdp: you asking me? you are in charge of that - you figure it out! :)
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  • [16:11:27] <mdp> denix, lol, I'm in charge of nothing...as it should be.
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  • [16:14:08] <denix> jkridner: now I need moderation approval for message to beagleboard ML - I sent reply from a different address...
  • [16:14:18] <jkridner> k
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  • [16:18:18] <jkridner> ugh, they keep changing the interface...
  • [16:18:26] <jkridner> I'm not sure where the moderation queue is.
  • [16:22:28] <denix> uh-oh
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  • [16:51:58] <woglinde> re
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  • [17:12:32] <bradfa> Would it be reasonable to ask the mailing list "Why did you buy a beagle?" I don't believe there's been a collection of why people buy these things. I hope for it to inspire all sorts of people to respond, mostly newbies, as I'm looking to understand why people buy Beagles. I don't care why they buy Beagle over RPi, just why they decided to buy a Beagle or similar at all. What problem does it solve for them?
  • [17:13:31] <bizulk1> That does not solves anything, to the contrary it creates PB.
  • [17:14:41] <bradfa> bizulk1, PB?
  • [17:15:00] <mru> pandaboard?
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  • [17:15:57] <bizulk1> mru: well seen. I'm just giving this conclusion after working so much time to get things working on it
  • [17:16:45] <mranostay> what problems exactly?
  • [17:18:35] <bizulk1> Make the DSP work correctly on beagleboard :)
  • [17:19:55] <mranostay> heh
  • [17:24:20] <mranostay> mru: i think the r-pi has made this channel a little more lean on noobs. don't you think?
  • [17:24:49] <mru> can't be.. that would mean it's useful for something
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  • [17:39:15] <jsabeaudry> how can I copy a file on angstrom on my beaglebone?
  • [17:39:46] <jsabeaudry> ;)
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  • [17:47:17] <mdp> heh
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  • [17:50:00] <djlewis> hah
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  • [17:57:56] <emeb> I wonder if r-pi has a lot of android porting going on?
  • [17:59:02] <mdp> yeah, I think they bitbang gpu support
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  • [18:09:49] <mranostay> mru: can i borrow a cluebat?
  • [18:10:05] <mru> sure
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  • [18:14:42] <mranostay> if i hear this guy say not being to run a JVM on a powerpc switch is limitation i'm going to stab him :)
  • [18:15:18] <mru> for that you'll need a rusty spork, not a cluebat
  • [18:16:15] <Russ> mranostay, but what about node.js?
  • [18:16:23] <mdp> +1
  • [18:17:50] <jkridner> node.js is kick-ass tech! ;-)
  • [18:18:47] <panto> one of mind friends rubbed node.js on his bald spot and now looks like chewbacca!
  • [18:18:59] <panto> true story
  • [18:19:27] <mranostay> Russ: you'll find this funny. there is nodejs around...
  • [18:20:26] <mdp> mranostay, hence powerpc is a rockstar by association
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  • [18:44:06] <mranostay> anyone that thinks a x86 switch is sane needs to be shot :)
  • [18:49:24] <Russ> mranostay, what about a router http://www.amazon.com/Intel-D2500CCE-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-BLKD2500CCE/dp/B007MS9OI2 http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-SR71-E-PC-Express-802-11a-400mW/dp/B004GIGOL6
  • [18:51:31] <mranostay> i wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole :)
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  • [18:55:51] <Russ> what would you use?
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  • [18:57:54] <mranostay> Russ: well for a personal router that would be okay
  • [18:58:00] <mranostay> not for an end product
  • [18:58:04] <Russ> well duh
  • [18:58:41] <Russ> in a few years, I'll probably be at 150Mbps or more, so I really need gigabit
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  • [19:15:53] <mru> I use a core2 based machine as a router
  • [19:16:41] <mru> I needed something a bit more capable than your usual consumer dsl box
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  • [19:36:40] <ka6sox> mru, so it would seem
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  • [19:40:56] <BeagleBot> http://beagleboard.org/buy/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com
  • [19:43:06] <BeagleBot> http://beagleboard.org/buy/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com
  • [19:48:05] <mranostay> er wtf
  • [19:48:16] <ka6sox> huh?
  • [19:48:25] <Russ> BeagleBot, have a cookie
  • [19:48:25] <mranostay> when did we get a BeagleBot here?
  • [19:48:32] <mranostay> for wiki edits that is
  • [19:48:54] <Russ> its in the cloud
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  • [19:57:38] <mdp> BeagleBot sounds like a hackaday project
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  • [19:59:44] * ds2 tosses scooby snacks around
  • [19:59:52] <ds2> wonder if that is enough to edit ;)
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  • [20:04:39] <mdp> = Building OE for BeagleBone
  • [20:04:46] <mdp> == toss scooby snacks
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  • [20:16:15] <unterhausen> i have a 3.5 kernel that boots on my beagleboard, need to revert to a working kernel, any tips?
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  • [20:31:00] <kroon> I am a little confused as to which kernel git tree I should use when building a kernel for the Beagleboard xM rev C. I want the latest and greatest, is it timlind's linux-omap tree on kernel.org ? master branch ?
  • [20:31:29] <mdp> kroon, latest and greatest is the mainline 3.6 release
  • [20:32:53] <kroon> mdp, oh, I thought linux-omap was a sort of staging ground for things that would eventually land in mainline 3.6, and a good choice for the beagleboard. no ? mainline 3.6 works good on the beagleboard ?
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  • [20:34:01] <mdp> kroon, it's one of hundreds upon hundreds of staging grounds for what goes into mainline 3.6
  • [20:34:31] <mdp> I think it's a poor choice for beagleboard as it works in mainline
  • [20:35:13] <mdp> it's no better than choosing to run the slave-dma maintainers' tree on beagleboard
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  • [20:36:39] <kroon> mdp, ok.. but it kind of sounds like a good choice, beagleboard having an OMAP processore, no ?
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  • [20:42:07] <ds2> use the one that you have tested to your satisfaction and has the features you need.
  • [20:44:42] <thurbad> if the latest and greatest doesn't have needed features... I tend to stay a little behind with the tried and true
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  • [20:46:36] <ds2> you can always apply patches to your tested tree
  • [20:46:48] <ds2> backporting on a board level is usually pretty straight forward
  • [20:46:55] <woglinde> dsp
  • [20:47:46] * ds2 hears crickets chirping
  • [20:49:47] <thurbad> we're still running 2.6.32 with a bunch of backported features ~.~
  • [20:52:53] <mdp> beagleboard-3.6 is another great tree ;)
  • [20:54:01] <ds2> they are all fine trees
  • [20:54:17] <mdp> kroon, beagleboard also has an aic codec so you could run sound.git on it
  • [20:57:15] <mdp> ds2, but which is the greatest?
  • [20:57:27] <mdp> we should vote
  • [20:57:39] <mdp> if we had a ph0rum we could set up a vote
  • [20:58:33] <ds2> that would be my tree of course ;)
  • [20:59:20] <mdp> I'll give you a scooby snack to vote for my tree
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  • [21:07:48] <ds2> hmmm to go 0201 or not
  • [21:08:31] <Russ> on 6/6?
  • [21:09:49] <djlewis> ds2: you have good eyes, nimble fingers and tiny tools ;)
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  • [21:35:50] <mranostay> djlewis: that is what she said!
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  • [21:36:32] <mru> heh
  • [21:37:13] <djlewis> :)
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  • [21:43:21] <Wally> Meatbags.
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  • [21:52:52] <joelagnel> Russ, I'm getting "rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs" error on a beaglebone running kernel mainline
  • [21:53:00] <joelagnel> Is this something you're familiar with?
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  • [22:18:08] <ds2> yes, 0201 on 6/6
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  • [22:18:54] <ds2> djlewis: eyes and hands don't matter. this is to work around a blasted BGA
  • [22:19:26] <emeb> blasted is not nearly strong enough
  • [22:19:48] <ds2> to be fair, they do offer a QFP, I just don't have space for the QFP
  • [22:20:49] <emeb> I guess if your choices are "too big" or "awful" then "awful" wins.
  • [22:21:59] <ds2> already have pin 1 at all possible orientations already :(
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  • [22:22:29] <emeb> N/S/E/W, and now Under.
  • [22:22:55] <ds2> I do wonder if I was better off having the BGA at 45deg
  • [22:22:56] <emeb> needs a few 45deg orientations in there too...
  • [22:23:08] <ds2> might have made the escape vias easier to place
  • [22:23:21] <emeb> what's the ball pitch?
  • [22:23:31] <ds2> 0.8mm
  • [22:23:37] <ds2> but there is also one at 0.75mm
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  • [22:23:43] <emeb> Oh fun.
  • [22:23:50] <ds2> 'grids' left the window
  • [22:24:03] <emeb> So you need a PCB process that can handle tiny vias too.
  • [22:24:26] <ds2> trying to do this on 5/5, 10mil holes
  • [22:24:37] <ds2> otherwise it becomes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ instead of merely $$$$
  • [22:24:42] <emeb> Yep, sounds right.
  • [22:24:50] <ds2> things barely fit
  • [22:25:01] <emeb> Not going to get that on a normal 6/6/13 process.
  • [22:25:21] <ds2> I laugh at 6/6
  • [22:25:56] <ds2> I do wonder which is cheaper... plain 4/4 w/5mil holes or via under pad w/filling
  • [22:26:20] <emeb> good question. get a quote and let me know. :)
  • [22:26:38] <ds2> hahaha
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  • [22:30:23] <ds2> emeb: for the stuff you do, what's ur preferred pad style - NSMD or SMD?
  • [22:31:40] <emeb> ds2: all my pads have the mask opening larger than the pad.
  • [22:32:11] <ds2> that seems to be the default... trying to figure out why the other setup is called out
  • [22:32:32] <emeb> but I don't do pick-n-place / reflow, so I don't know what the advantage of the other is.
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  • [22:34:05] <emeb> Your PCB should match the BGA package style according to this: http://www.latticesemi.com/lit/docs/technotes/tn1074.pdf
  • [22:34:26] <emeb> ie - if the BGA is NSMD, then the PCB should be too, etc.
  • [22:34:36] <halil> Hello, I'm pretty new to beaglebone and I'm trying to establish wired connection on Ubuntu however with default settings, it tries to connect then disconnects. I couldn't get IP address. is this normal?
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  • [22:54:16] <ds2> emeb: I have seen notes that offer both options
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  • [22:57:02] <emeb> ds2: not surprising. seems like a subtle distinction.
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  • [23:18:23] <noob_> Anyone know if it's possible to change the ftdi device name without messing with its eeprom (maybe somewhere in linux)?
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