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  • [04:56:48] <ds2> autoconf is evil
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  • [04:57:37] <_av500_> autoconf is not evil, people are evil
  • [04:58:36] <ds2> autoconf is evil... people just appear to be evil
  • [04:58:42] <ds2> it is a reflection of autoconf
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  • [08:34:09] <mru> with rmk the slow troll works best
  • [08:34:12] <mru> he's so predictable
  • [08:34:43] <mru> a few gentle nudges and you can have him exactly where you want him
  • [08:36:57] <av500> url?
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  • [08:52:53] <koen> mru: url please
  • [08:53:18] <kroon> I'm trying to enable use of a USB mouse on my Beagleboard xM rev C board. I'm basically starting with a stripped down linux-omap kernel, without USB or Input devices enabled.
  • [08:53:45] <av500> then you have to bitbang USB
  • [08:54:35] <koen> av500: I suspect http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-October/123977.html
  • [08:56:45] <kroon> As a start I've enabled the Input layer and the Event interface, USB HID transport layer, USB support, EHCI HCD 2.0 support for OMAP3 devices
  • [09:03:57] <kroon> but honestly I dont know what Im doing...
  • [09:05:27] <av500> then why are you doing it?
  • [09:05:37] <av500> why not use the stock omap3 config for beagle?
  • [09:06:02] <mru> he doesn't know why either
  • [09:06:09] <mru> they never do
  • [09:08:01] <kroon> I do this because I want to learn, but I guess I need to read up on how USB works
  • [09:08:16] <kroon> I'll try the stock omap3 config
  • [09:09:20] <kroon> Just asking if there is any common or obvious mistake I should keep in mind
  • [09:10:39] <woglinde> hm if disable a feature, feature dont work, lesson learned
  • [09:13:03] <kroon> well, it's going from "i want to be able to connect a usb-mouse to the beagleboard" to actually enabling it in the kernel thats hard for me
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  • [09:19:58] <mru> woglinde: I can think of a manager or two to whom that's far from obvious
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  • [09:21:49] <av500> kroon: well, then have a look at the default config and see what is enabled
  • [09:22:26] <kroon> av500, yeah, using the defconfig actually works :-) so I'll go from there
  • [09:22:30] <kroon> thanks
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  • [09:34:37] <mru> koen: did hou rmk's latest reply?
  • [09:35:14] <av500> hou all the things!
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  • [09:50:57] <koen> mru: the one about being too budy?
  • [09:53:50] <mru> yeah, didn't see that one coming :)
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  • [10:07:06] <tasslehoff> From the omap 3530 errata: 3.1.1.130 only one usb dma channel (rx or tx) can be active. Anyone know if this is handled according to the possible workarounds in the kernel? My grep-fu is failing me.
  • [10:09:36] <mru> it was at some point
  • [10:09:48] <mru> then someone killed it again
  • [10:09:56] <mru> then I lost track
  • [10:11:14] <mru> I'm still running patched 2.6.32 on my classic beagles
  • [10:11:50] <tasslehoff> hm. when I setup a test with mucho nw-traffic both out and in, musb/network just stops working. No complaints, just the silent treatment.
  • [10:13:42] <mdp> *yawn*...mmm drama on arm-kernel too
  • [10:13:48] <mdp> fun couple days
  • [10:14:17] <mdp> mru, you're going to have to do better to tear me away from "as the udev turns"
  • [10:14:34] <av500> udev drama is epic
  • [10:14:55] <av500> since devtmpsfs, what is the use of udev anyway?
  • [10:15:04] <mru> is it still going?
  • [10:15:46] <av500> the overall I meant
  • [10:18:09] <koen> av500: rules and policy
  • [10:18:33] <koen> av500: creating extra symlinks like /dev/input/something -> /dev/input/touchscreen0
  • [10:18:41] <av500> oh
  • [10:18:43] <koen> av500: so you can do without if you don't need that
  • [10:18:54] <av500> thats a worthy task
  • [10:18:55] <av500> truly
  • [10:20:07] <mdp> and you can't bitbang that one
  • [10:20:27] <koen> now with libkmod module loading happens differently which seems to trigger the firmware loading bugs
  • [10:20:37] <koen> TBH I think both sides in the argument are wrong
  • [10:20:49] <koen> the kernel should fix their shit and udev should add the workaround
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  • [10:21:21] <koen> linus should aknowledge that you can trigger the same bug with the init=/bin/sh trick
  • [10:23:32] <mru> lennart and kay deserve some linus rage
  • [10:23:56] <mru> doesn't reslly matter over what
  • [10:47:31] <tasslehoff> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/UsbConfigControllerDriver says to disable dma on musb, and in meta-ti I see that beaglebone has done just that. same otg-shite on beagleboard, isn't it?
  • [10:48:12] <mdp> tasslehoff: the recommendation to disable is based on the use of the cppi 4.1 dma block with musb on am335x
  • [10:48:31] <mdp> am/dm37x don't integrate cppi 4.1 dma with musb
  • [10:48:43] <mdp> so no, different otg-shite on beagleboard
  • [10:48:51] <tasslehoff> mdp: ok. a bit hotheaded here :)
  • [10:49:06] <mru> the 3530 can use sdma for one direction
  • [10:49:22] <mdp> tasslehoff: np, it's a bit confusing the way we use sdma, mentor dma, cppi 4.1 dma here and there
  • [10:49:27] <mru> and the musb builtin dma for the other
  • [10:49:39] <mdp> what mru says
  • [10:50:53] <mdp> there's some sekrit internal hacks and benchmarks against 2.6.32 I once worked with that do various split sdma/mentor dma tricks with varying EP configurations to optimize performance
  • [10:51:10] <mdp> typically used to show people a level of awesomeness on benchmarks
  • [10:51:53] <mru> 2.6.32 was a good kernel
  • [10:53:14] <mdp> not ours
  • [10:53:27] <tasslehoff> I'm trying to figure out if 2.6.39 does what mru said. Also running a test with PIO to see if it goes down then.
  • [10:53:49] <mdp> but then 2.6.32 + thousands of patches usually ends up badly
  • [10:54:14] <koen> so that's why omap went multicore arm
  • [10:54:21] <mru> thousands of patches does that to anything
  • [10:54:27] <koen> to have a dedicated core for bitbanging usb
  • [10:54:57] <mdp> tasslehoff: we also have cppi 4.1 dma on am180x/da850/l138 which is where I first noticed a bunch of these cppi 4.1 dma related failures
  • [10:58:10] <mdp> tasslehoff, http://www.ti.com/lit/er/sprz360c/sprz360c.pdf, Advisory 1.0.13
  • [10:59:34] <av500> SPRZ is the sound of a dying car engine
  • [11:00:30] <av500> tasslehoff: have a look at our frankenkernels, they should have a lot of musb related fixing and monkeypatching
  • [11:00:31] <mdp> one wishes TI could change the naming convention adopted during 8+3 filename era.
  • [11:01:39] <Phrewfuf|work> mdp: one wishes some people would not overuse the modern filename era
  • [11:02:34] <Phrewfuf|work> i think i already lost miltiple hours on figuring out why i could not open a file in a program, before finding out that the 30 character filename plus the path to my desktop was way too long :D
  • [11:02:41] <Phrewfuf|work> 30*
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  • [11:02:53] <mdp> av500, your host port support, I assume it uses ehci?
  • [11:03:25] <av500> nope
  • [11:03:52] <mdp> I see
  • [11:04:02] <av500> ehci was for e.g. hdds
  • [11:04:11] <mdp> ok
  • [11:04:39] <av500> and between musb and omap ehci, I cannot say which one we hated more
  • [11:04:52] <mdp> it's tough to choose
  • [11:05:13] <av500> ehci is broken across 4-5 chip revisions now
  • [11:05:42] <av500> in one omap5 related conf call we skaed if ehci was good now
  • [11:05:45] <av500> they all nodded
  • [11:05:52] <mdp> I'm happy we've elected to focus on just one set of brokeness for usb on new parts
  • [11:05:54] <av500> then we opened the erata and lol
  • [11:05:57] <av500> 'ed
  • [11:05:58] <mdp> at least in my TI
  • [11:06:15] <mdp> heh
  • [11:06:22] <dm8tbr> how does nodding work over the phone?
  • [11:06:40] <av500> ti has ways
  • [11:06:58] <mdp> dm8tbr: usually somebody shouts out, "I'm nodding my head in agreement!!!"
  • [11:07:11] <mdp> it's never subtle
  • [11:07:20] <av500> nodding is a suppored "use case"
  • [11:07:23] <av500> supported
  • [11:08:20] <Phrewfuf|work> gah, this zippy2 schematic will blow my head if i continue trying to understand it >.<
  • [11:08:51] <av500> this is why it was discontinued
  • [11:08:54] <av500> it was too dangerous
  • [11:08:59] <Phrewfuf|work> :D
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  • [11:09:18] <Phrewfuf|work> why in hell has no one tried and documented how to connect a second SD-card to a panda? >.<
  • [11:09:27] <av500> bamboo
  • [11:09:46] <Phrewfuf|work> not sure if trolling...
  • [11:09:47] <Phrewfuf|work> :D
  • [11:09:58] <LetoThe2nd> trolls? here? never ever.
  • [11:10:02] <Phrewfuf|work> all i found was this santho guy: http://pandaboard.org/pbirclogs/index.php?date=2011-06-15#T09:57:08
  • [11:10:17] <av500> Phrewfuf|work: if not bamboo then trainer
  • [11:10:20] <Phrewfuf|work> and this av500 dude who just pointed him to the zippy2 schematics and docu
  • [11:10:26] <Phrewfuf|work> trainer has no sd card
  • [11:10:34] <av500> zippy then
  • [11:10:36] <av500> whichever
  • [11:10:39] <av500> i forgot
  • [11:10:47] <XorA|gone> just stack the boards up
  • [11:10:51] <Phrewfuf|work> yeah, zippy or bamboo
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  • [11:11:04] <Phrewfuf|work> XorA|gone: that??s the plan. Combine ALL the boards
  • [11:11:12] <Phrewfuf|work> and make a new, awesome one
  • [11:11:27] <XorA|gone> throw prpplague some $$$
  • [11:11:45] <Phrewfuf|work> whom?
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  • [11:11:48] <mdp> he likes scooby snacks too
  • [11:12:12] <XorA|gone> prpplague, designed zippy/zippy2/trainer AFAIK
  • [11:12:24] <tasslehoff> av500: gen8?
  • [11:12:48] <Phrewfuf|work> XorA|gone: oh hell no! he is a bad person! have you seen the zippy2 schematics? :D
  • [11:13:02] <Phrewfuf|work> massive brainfuck
  • [11:13:12] <av500> tasslehoff: 3530 is more gen7
  • [11:13:19] <av500> and gen6
  • [11:13:29] <av500> gen8 is 3630
  • [11:13:29] <tasslehoff> ack
  • [11:13:46] <av500> wear protective gear when going into these kernels
  • [11:13:57] <XorA|gone> Phrewfuf|work: sorry schematic looks pretty simple to me
  • [11:14:13] <mdp> av500, *evil* vendor tree
  • [11:14:17] <Phrewfuf|work> bamboo schematic for SDcard looks fine, but since there is no documentation for actually making the panda speak to it, it is somehow unpractical
  • [11:14:28] <av500> mdp: mvl4 ftw!
  • [11:14:33] <mdp> lol
  • [11:14:39] <Phrewfuf|work> XorA|gone: i'm looking at bamboo, trainer, Panda and Zippy2 schematics for days now+
  • [11:14:46] <av500> btw, I just came across some CDs that have Monterey Linux scribbled on them
  • [11:14:55] <XorA|gone> Phrewfuf|work: I begin to think your EE and linux skills are now too hot
  • [11:15:12] <XorA|gone> Phrewfuf|work: making SD work is as simple as muxing it in then providing platform data
  • [11:15:55] <XorA|gone> the mux names are even on the schematic for you
  • [11:16:14] <Phrewfuf|work> XorA|gone: the things that bug me about the schematics are: how can i know if an sdcard needs 1.8v or 3.3v?
  • [11:16:44] <Phrewfuf|work> the zippy2 has a jumper for this and panda does autodetect (probably with some not-so-el-cheapo chip)
  • [11:16:58] <av500> I guess most you can buy are happy with 3.3.V
  • [11:16:59] <mdp> av500, MVL4 seems like an eternity ago.
  • [11:17:00] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: throw in a levelshifter and always drive them with 3.3
  • [11:17:05] <av500> yep
  • [11:17:34] <XorA|gone> the schematic has the level shifters on it
  • [11:17:41] <Phrewfuf|work> ok then, 3.3V it is
  • [11:17:57] <LetoThe2nd> XorA|gone: guessed that, though i've never seen the schematic ;)
  • [11:18:04] <Phrewfuf|work> XorA|gone: yeah, i know, but the SDMMC_VDD can be changed to 1.8 via jumper
  • [11:18:21] <Phrewfuf|work> SD/MMC CARD VOLTAGE SELECT (DEFAULT = 3.3V)
  • [11:18:32] <av500> yes, use 3.3V
  • [11:18:33] <Phrewfuf|work> but ok, i'll just leave it on 3.3
  • [11:19:05] <Phrewfuf|work> also i seem to have difficulties finding out how to set the MUX settings for the expansion ports...my google-fu is too weak
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  • [11:20:38] <Phrewfuf|work> the Panda_Board_Spec_REVEA1_04.pdf only tells something like: here's how you et display mux, here's how you set camera mux and down there are the possible MUX settings for almost everything
  • [11:20:48] <Phrewfuf|work> but not how to actually set them >.<
  • [11:23:15] <koen> DT will fix that
  • [11:23:24] <Crofton|work> great!
  • [11:24:35] <XorA|gone> </sarcasm>
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  • [11:28:24] <Phrewfuf|work> holy crap...is this really that simple? "echo 0x11b > /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/mcspi1_cs1" and suddenly pin10 on j3 is a GPIO with a pullup instead of default pulldown?
  • [11:28:49] <woglinde> yes, yes it is
  • [11:30:12] <Phrewfuf|work> hmmm...interesting
  • [11:30:47] <mdp> Phrewfuf|work: after careful consideration of how easy that is, that feature is not present in mainline
  • [11:30:51] <Phrewfuf|work> what's with the beagle and trainer...the trainer has an eeprom on it which stores some magic configuration data which makes the beagle set the correct mux settings automagically
  • [11:31:32] <Phrewfuf|work> mdp: you say, i can't use this?
  • [11:31:57] <Phrewfuf|work> anyway: is it possible to make the panda read an eeprom and also set MUX automatically?
  • [11:32:19] <mdp> Phrewfuf|work: I would never try to restrict you. ;)
  • [11:32:31] <Phrewfuf|work> mdp: but it won't work :D
  • [11:32:41] <mdp> there's just no support for it on the latest kernel
  • [11:32:51] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: anything is possible, but in involves writing code, not downloading some patch and clicking some button.
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  • [11:34:43] <Phrewfuf|work> mdp: see...whatever i find is either incomplete or doesn't work anymore >.<
  • [11:36:02] <LetoThe2nd> ?
  • [11:36:13] <av500> Phrewfuf|work: indeed
  • [11:36:15] <av500> but
  • [11:36:16] <av500> ...
  • [11:36:20] <av500> its all just linux
  • [11:36:31] <dvance> Hello! I am struggling to understand how to install Xenomai on Angstrom for use in the BeagleBone, I've read the Xenomai instructions etc, but it's still very fuzzy in my head, does anyone know of a good online resource that is targetted at a novice like myself?
  • [11:38:08] <woglinde> xenomai again
  • [11:38:19] <Phrewfuf|work> av500: i know...everything is a file...but why is the _all_ the info on how to do stuff on the beagle but none at all for the panda?
  • [11:39:02] <av500> seniority
  • [11:39:17] <Phrewfuf|work> i think all i need to know is where to find the settings for the gpio mux on the panda
  • [11:39:23] <mdp> panda is just a freshman
  • [11:39:27] <Phrewfuf|work> in which file
  • [11:39:30] <LetoThe2nd> isn't it all in the TRM?
  • [11:39:45] <Phrewfuf|work> mpdah, come one, it's more than one year old
  • [11:39:57] <Phrewfuf|work> hm, type derp
  • [11:40:00] <LetoThe2nd> after all, reading pinmuxes out of TRMs has been standard novice knowledge for any embedded person for tens of years.
  • [11:40:11] <dvance> woglinde: yeah, xenomai, I am developing a cheap wireless transmitter and need good latency and speed to the GPIO pins, also need to not have other processes interrupt -- so xenomai :)
  • [11:40:30] <Phrewfuf|work> LetoThe2nd: well then i will learn (again) which muxmodes are available
  • [11:40:46] <Phrewfuf|work> but still no idea on how to actually change them
  • [11:41:58] <LetoThe2nd> use debugfs, and if debugfs is not there, make it be there ;)
  • [11:42:14] <Phrewfuf|work> this one looks good, but it's french http://www.blaess.fr/christophe/2012/06/04/gpio-pandaboard-et-temps-reel-5-le-multiplexage-des-gpio/
  • [11:42:25] <Phrewfuf|work> why, why on earth did i have to be french >,<
  • [11:42:28] <Phrewfuf|work> it*
  • [11:42:56] <koen> heh
  • [11:43:00] <koen> temps-reel
  • [11:44:15] <Phrewfuf|work> LetoThe2nd: do i really have to use debugfs or is there a more comfortable solution?
  • [11:45:01] <av500> board file
  • [11:45:07] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: what is uncomfortable about debugfs? first you complain about not knowing how to do it, then you complain about the way being uncomfortable..
  • [11:45:31] <av500> you can declare a 2nd mmc in the board file and do the muxing there
  • [11:45:36] <LetoThe2nd> av500: we should hand that out as a project. changing boardfiles during runtime.
  • [11:45:59] <av500> LetoThe2nd: if you runtime multiplex the pins to mmc, it wont detect a new mmc port, will it?
  • [11:46:45] <LetoThe2nd> av500: hm, indeed.
  • [11:46:57] <LetoThe2nd> he did not ask about detection, though ;)
  • [11:47:09] <av500> Phrewfuf|work: since its all there for beagle, why dont see how its done for beagle?
  • [11:47:14] <LetoThe2nd> he just complained about pingmuxing ;)
  • [11:47:20] <av500> kernel-wise its very similar
  • [11:47:44] <woglinde> dvance to be honest all guys which I saw comming here to get xenomai working did not succeed
  • [11:47:52] <Phrewfuf|work> av500: the problem is, that i tried multiple times to do things on behalf of "it should be similar"
  • [11:48:25] <Phrewfuf|work> and i wasted multiple days on those things
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  • [11:48:57] <av500> if you learned nothing during that time, yes wasted
  • [11:49:09] <Phrewfuf|work> i did not succeed
  • [11:49:36] <av500> to do what?
  • [11:49:45] <Phrewfuf|work> to make those things work
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  • [11:49:58] <av500> ah, "things"
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  • [11:50:31] <Phrewfuf|work> so why learn from something that did not work?
  • [11:50:42] <dvance> woglinde: Not very encouraging :) I know of one guy who's done it -- will try to get in touch through his project website or the message board, but I think I could not find an email so it might be a bit tricky
  • [11:50:45] <mdp> a few of my favorite things
  • [11:51:05] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: because "learning" where to find things to copy-paste is not real learning.
  • [11:51:08] <woglinde> mdp what?
  • [11:51:31] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: real learning means that you understand things and can fix them yourself. which you obviously failed to learn.
  • [11:51:50] <av500> and again, 2nd mmc support is there for the beagle already
  • [11:52:03] <av500> so you have a template to follow
  • [11:52:13] <Phrewfuf|work> LetoThe2nd: yeah, reading files and schematics all over just to go to some "community" to get told that i need to read files and schematics is not really encouraging
  • [11:52:41] <dvance> Anyways, 10x for the help :]
  • [11:52:51] <woglinde> yes some "community" is really bad
  • [11:52:52] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: thats what community and open source means. pointers to possible fitting information. what you expect is called "paid support"
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  • [11:53:00] <av500> Phrewfuf|work: pick a better community
  • [11:53:07] * av500 is starting to get pissed off
  • [11:53:16] <woglinde> oh no
  • [11:53:19] * LetoThe2nd hands av500 a big handkerchief
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  • [11:53:26] * mru suggests rpi
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  • [11:53:48] <dvance> I'll come back when I make it work and maybe even post a tutorial somewhere :D
  • [11:54:08] <woglinde> dvance good luck
  • [11:54:29] <dvance> Thanks!
  • [11:54:35] <Phrewfuf|work> LetoThe2nd: paid support is when i pay peopple to do stuff for me without me even thinking about it
  • [11:55:06] * mru was not paid
  • [11:55:12] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: there are varying degress of that, depending on the complexity of the given task.
  • [11:55:27] <Phrewfuf|work> in this case i _want_ to do stuff on my own and ask for a bit of help but all i get is "it may work in some cases if you're lucky with the stuff over there"
  • [11:55:49] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: so please tell me. "what do you expect?"
  • [11:55:50] <woglinde> and?
  • [11:55:55] <woglinde> life is hard
  • [11:55:57] <woglinde> always
  • [11:56:07] <woglinde> and the neweset fanciest shit might not work
  • [11:56:15] <Phrewfuf|work> and then i will end up having to rewrite the kernel for the panda only to make a second SDcard run with it
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  • [11:56:40] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: now please stop bi***ing around and tell me, honestly. what did you expect?
  • [11:57:19] <mru> working product on a silver platter
  • [11:57:26] <Phrewfuf|work> mru: hell no
  • [11:57:33] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: so what did you expect?
  • [11:57:49] <Phrewfuf|work> well let me point it this way:
  • [11:57:53] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: i've asked you three times now. if it is so easy what you want, why not just tell us?
  • [11:58:09] <Phrewfuf|work> i found information to how set the mux settings
  • [11:58:17] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: don't put it any other way, and no lame excuses. what did you expect?
  • [11:58:30] <Phrewfuf|work> i ask if it's correct and all i get as an answer is "it won't work"
  • [11:58:40] <woglinde> ?
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  • [11:58:51] <woglinde> you got the an right answer
  • [11:58:57] <woglinde> its not in mainline kernel
  • [11:59:41] <LetoThe2nd> obviously any meaningful conversation is impossible already, as the asker has drowned in self-pity. too bad. who cares, then.
  • [11:59:45] <Phrewfuf|work> woglinde: well what _is_ in mainline kernel that i can use to set the mux _and_ sdcard detection and mounting on the panda?
  • [12:00:19] <Phrewfuf|work> LetoThe2nd: no need to get personal here
  • [12:00:23] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: answer: nothing, because it is board file dependent.
  • [12:00:31] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: that is your answer.
  • [12:00:37] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: that is waht you wanted.
  • [12:00:52] <LetoThe2nd> Phrewfuf|work: sorry if you do not like the actual truth.
  • [12:01:05] <Phrewfuf|work> LetoThe2nd: your assumptions are not the truth
  • [12:01:28] * LetoThe2nd does not assume anything.
  • [12:01:33] <LetoThe2nd> *plonk.
  • [12:01:44] <Phrewfuf|work> this is an assumption: "as the asker has drowned in self-pity."
  • [12:01:57] <Phrewfuf|work> and atop of that it is offensive
  • [12:02:35] <mru> self-pity *and* entitlement
  • [12:03:23] <Phrewfuf|work> anyway...board file...sounds interesting, tell me more about it?
  • [12:03:36] <woglinde> google linux devicetree
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  • [12:05:21] <LetoThe2nd> /arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-*.c :)
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  • [12:09:54] <Phrewfuf|work> woglinde: do i understand this the right way: there is a bunch of files where all the hardware is described, right?
  • [12:10:15] * LetoThe2nd runs off for the weekend. seeya next time, folks.
  • [12:10:26] <ogra_> enjoy
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  • [12:13:24] <woglinde> Phrewfuf yes with dt there are generics function for a soc/platform to setup all the stuff
  • [12:14:08] <woglinde> and then you have device descrition file for your board where all the specific adresses and gpios and so on are manifest
  • [12:14:28] <woglinde> but thats not the real solution for your problem
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  • [12:17:08] <av500> Phrewfuf|work: dt is work in progress, the panda is not there yet
  • [12:17:21] <av500> for adding a 2nd mmc, see what was done for zippy on beagle and do that for panda
  • [12:17:31] * av500 is repeating himself a lot
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  • [12:50:24] <av500> jonmasters: any luck so far?
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  • [13:34:54] <tasslehoff> fresh testresults: after loading musb_hdrc with use_dma=n, heavy networking no longer seems to kill my board.
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  • [13:37:39] <tasslehoff> speed is 50% of what it was, but that's a price I'll gladly pay if this works :)
  • [13:41:55] <av500> ok
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  • [14:07:27] <mdp> bradfa: coincidentally, I saw a request for what the pinmux tool should generate for DT today...just fyi
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  • [14:24:02] <woglinde> hm poor musb
  • [14:24:13] <woglinde> but good to know that dma is broken
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  • [14:42:19] <thurbad> what happens to the cpu use without dma?
  • [14:42:46] <mdp> one guess!
  • [14:42:59] <woglinde> thurbad we need to ask tasslehof later
  • [14:43:02] <woglinde> but yes
  • [14:43:02] <thurbad> I know it's not good, just curious how bad
  • [14:43:18] <woglinde> thurbad but its bad usb crashes your network
  • [14:43:23] <woglinde> too
  • [14:43:28] <thurbad> true
  • [14:43:29] <mdp> depends on your application
  • [14:44:08] <woglinde> maybee he can live with the higher cpu usage
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  • [14:48:19] <bradfa> mdp, public info?
  • [14:48:37] <mdp> bradfa, on what?
  • [14:48:45] <bradfa> mdp, pinmux tool request for dt
  • [14:48:54] <bradfa> sorry, was a while ago you mentioned
  • [14:48:56] <bradfa> I was afk
  • [14:49:00] <mdp> no, just about the TI windows tool
  • [14:49:10] <bradfa> will it be outputting dt data?
  • [14:49:17] <woglinde> o.O
  • [14:49:35] <bradfa> woglinde, windows only tools that output files that can only be used on linux, TI has it all figured out!
  • [14:49:50] <bradfa> also, it can't print
  • [14:50:00] <woglinde> hit print button
  • [14:50:07] <bradfa> no such thing
  • [14:50:30] <bradfa> we're going paperless!
  • [14:50:43] * bradfa has had a bad morning
  • [14:50:55] * bradfa has said swear words about 100x as often as an average morning
  • [14:50:59] <woglinde> yes thats now our problem
  • [14:51:11] <mdp> bradfa, well, I'm just saying that the people that implement that tool asked the linux people for the DT specs
  • [14:51:29] <bradfa> mdp, that's good
  • [14:51:33] <bradfa> thanks for fyi :)
  • [14:51:43] <woglinde> mdp it exist really?
  • [14:51:47] <mdp> I just found it interesting given your work
  • [14:51:52] <woglinde> I thought it was a joke
  • [14:51:58] <mdp> woglinde: the pinmux tool?
  • [14:52:03] <bradfa> well, my work so far is just making text files with pin mux for bone in them
  • [14:52:08] <bradfa> dt is a whole nother ball of wax
  • [14:52:25] <bradfa> which I will wrap my head around probably soon
  • [14:52:28] <mdp> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Pin_Mux_Utility_for_ARM_MPU_Processors
  • [14:52:58] <woglinde> written in .net?
  • [14:53:01] <mdp> I'll let others decide if it's a joke or not
  • [14:53:14] <mdp> I dunno
  • [14:54:13] <woglinde> you need wine or what?
  • [14:54:32] <mdp> I still use the .net l138/da850 tool under mono to recover those boards
  • [14:54:46] <mdp> woglinde: nfc
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  • [14:56:12] <woglinde> nfc?
  • [14:56:32] <mdp> I have no clue, never had a use for the tool
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  • [14:57:45] <mdp> I respect the concept of trying to help deal with all the conflicts visually though.
  • [14:58:14] <woglinde> sure but they could have made a qt application
  • [14:59:09] <mdp> bradfa, btw, I often have fritzing open with my beaglebone model so I can hover over the pin header and see the muxes when doing a nest of wires project.
  • [14:59:27] <mdp> woglinde: they might not know qt
  • [14:59:44] <woglinde> they would love it
  • [14:59:46] <woglinde> anyway
  • [14:59:55] <woglinde> depends on mangement too
  • [14:59:55] <bradfa> mdp, I'll give fritzing a try, haven't used it before
  • [15:00:06] <woglinde> to give users comfort
  • [15:00:22] <bradfa> woglinde, mdp, java gets no cross platform love? :)
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  • [15:00:55] <mdp> for all I know, they may be switching to something cross platform
  • [15:01:19] <woglinde> bradfa sure
  • [15:01:59] <mdp> bradfa, http://engineersofthecorn.blogspot.com/2012/06/fritzing-part-for-beaglebone.html
  • [15:04:54] <mranostay> or eagle!
  • [15:06:51] <woglinde> but selling/providing a linux sdk with a windows tool
  • [15:07:49] <mdp> I suspect nobody of importance has complained about it yet
  • [15:07:54] * bradfa busy debugging, bbl
  • [15:08:51] <woglinde> mdp yes maybee, maybee they tought he we ship eclipse with java so the customers will have windows too
  • [15:18:19] <bizulk> hi ! In the kerne from https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel.git there are no board specific config. I shall use omap2plus_defconfig ?
  • [15:20:25] <mdp> bizulk, see ./configs/<my_favorite_board> in the tree
  • [15:21:42] <bizulk> mdp: I only have /patches/configs/empty
  • [15:22:00] <mdp> checkout a branch
  • [15:22:30] <bizulk> oups sorru
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  • [15:24:28] <bizulk> when calling 'git branch' I only see * beaglebone-3.2
  • [15:24:28] <bizulk> master
  • [15:24:49] <bizulk> But there are other listed on the site (noob)
  • [15:25:38] <mdp> git branch -a
  • [15:25:49] <mdp> checkout a tracking branch
  • [15:25:52] <mdp> then go to configs
  • [15:27:05] <bizulk> mdp: sorry If I try (git checkout origin/beagleboard-3.6 -b beagleboard-3.6) : error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by checkout:
  • [15:27:05] <bizulk> patches/3.2.1/0001-MAINTAINERS-stable-Update-address.patch
  • [15:28:26] <mdp> git stash
  • [15:28:42] <mdp> tell you what, read some of the good git workflow tutorials out there
  • [15:28:57] <mdp> it's all documented there
  • [15:29:07] <bizulk> ok ok sorry to disturb
  • [15:29:24] <mdp> np, just helps to have the basics down first
  • [15:29:36] <mdp> the key here for this tree is that nothing is on the master branch
  • [15:30:25] <mdp> the owner only has stuff populated on various branches as it's using git in a way somewhat differently than a typical project that is concerned about merging to master over time
  • [15:30:40] <mdp> that's not wrong...just "different" and useful in this case
  • [15:32:42] <bizulk> "othing is on the master branch" => that why the directory is empty ? I tought that master should keep common code.
  • [15:33:08] <woglinde> bizulk the tool is not reasonable for the misuse of the owner
  • [15:33:20] <mdp> I just explained that this repo is not implemented that way
  • [15:33:33] <woglinde> you need to find out whats in master and whats in the other branches
  • [15:33:44] <mdp> I promise you, if you follow my exact steps, you'll get at the configs you want
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  • [15:37:41] <bizulk> mdp: Actually I did : git staches -> "git checkout origin/beagleboard-3.6 -b beagleboard-3.6" -> I get the configs for beagleboard -> this WE read some GIT tutos
  • [15:38:17] <mdp> cool, nice job
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  • [16:08:26] <woglinde> mdp hm the pinmux tool generates u-boot header so the kernel do not touches pinmux at all?
  • [16:09:04] <mdp> that's a possible use for it
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  • [16:18:22] <bizulk> well, with linux-stable 3.2.30 and the omapbeagleboard 3.6.0+ I can't manage to get the dsp decode working (using gst-dsp) : when launching video : BUG: scheduling while atomic: queue1:src/92/0x0000008e
  • [16:18:52] <bizulk> the dsp-test passes indeed
  • [16:18:56] <woglinde> av500 dsp customers
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  • [16:19:03] <bizulk> :)
  • [16:19:14] <bizulk> customers -> victims
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  • [16:19:32] <woglinde> hi djlewis
  • [16:19:51] <bizulk> that stuff seems to be very sensitive
  • [16:20:20] <djlewis> gm guys :)
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  • [16:37:43] <_av500_> woglinde: hm?
  • [16:37:56] <_av500_> gst-dsp is for felipec
  • [16:38:12] <_av500_> he is the one not supproting that
  • [16:38:20] <_av500_> im not supporting gst-ti
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  • [16:45:05] <woglinde> supporting or not supporting?
  • [16:45:16] <woglinde> anyway I would use gst-ti
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  • [16:57:30] <bizulk> _av500_: he is the one not supporting that => ?
  • [16:57:49] <bizulk> Well I may also try gst-ti
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  • [17:02:33] <_av500_> bizulk: sorry, no time atm
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  • [17:21:26] <mdp> bradfa: I was suggesting your beaglebone pinmux text list to somebody and something occurred to me
  • [17:21:54] <mdp> bradfa, since the "signal name" pulled from the SRM is a completely fabricated concept..I would suggest removing that column
  • [17:22:33] <mdp> it's meaningless and confuses people
  • [17:24:52] <_av500_> pinmux names should be 8.3
  • [17:25:16] <mdp> I am taking that recommendation to "those above"
  • [17:25:45] <mdp> denix, infinite thanks to you for that phrase, btw
  • [17:25:56] <_av500_> also they should include soc name/number
  • [17:26:05] <_av500_> GPIO3530.A15
  • [17:26:14] <_av500_> and be rueused on new socs
  • [17:26:20] <mdp> agreed
  • [17:27:00] <denix> mdp: should I charge royalties for it use?
  • [17:27:14] <denix> s/it/its
  • [17:27:31] <bradfa> mdp, patch? :)
  • [17:27:48] <denix> patches are overrated!
  • [17:28:13] <mru> just paste the modified code fragments in a word doc
  • [17:28:19] <mru> and upload it to the shared ftp
  • [17:28:41] <_av500_> fax it
  • [17:28:59] <_av500_> to my dropbox
  • [17:29:03] <denix> fax is for sending money only!
  • [17:29:30] <_av500_> ok, then send a boy
  • [17:29:37] <bizulk> bye all
  • [17:33:20] <woglinde> boy via fax?
  • [17:35:08] <mdp> bradfa, I will send you a .ppt
  • [17:35:19] <mdp> sprz011.ppt
  • [17:35:47] <mdp> I think koen gets patches in that format from some of his suppliers
  • [17:37:24] <bradfa> mdp, can you print it and take a picture of it on a wood table?
  • [17:38:30] <mdp> I can
  • [17:38:42] <mdp> I'm willing to do anything the maintainer demands!
  • [17:38:52] <bradfa> mdp, the NAME column is useful though, since some things on the headers aren't pins on the am335x
  • [17:38:53] <mdp> just to be a part of your project
  • [17:38:54] <bradfa> like ground
  • [17:38:55] <bradfa> and power
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  • [17:38:59] <mdp> bradfa, yes
  • [17:39:13] <mdp> gerald seems to have horribly abused things in the SRM
  • [17:39:30] <bradfa> NAME == what ever felt like something people might want to use that pin for
  • [17:39:34] <bradfa> rather than MODE 0
  • [17:39:37] <mdp> with those board specific pins being labeled under "signal name" which then confuses everything
  • [17:39:51] <bradfa> branch coming, one sec
  • [17:40:30] <mdp> I would recommend "NAME" with the mode 0 string being reused there for all soc pins
  • [17:40:47] <mdp> since that's what you would actually look up in the TRM CM regs
  • [17:41:20] <mdp> signal just is completely wrong
  • [17:43:19] <mdp> bradfa, your text file is so wonderful, I plan to dedicate some dead trees to it and enshrine it next to my despair.com posters
  • [17:43:24] <bradfa> :)
  • [17:43:39] <bradfa> mdp, what about blank NAME column for things connected to the SoC?
  • [17:43:48] <bradfa> but leave things like GND and PWR.
  • [17:43:59] <bradfa> link coming shortly, crafting nifty git commit message
  • [17:44:33] <mdp> yes, except I think you *could* help people by duplicating the same thing in the mode 0 column into "NAME"
  • [17:44:53] <mdp> since from a TRM-POV...the mode 0 name is the PIN NAME
  • [17:44:59] <bradfa> mdp, are you new here, we don't help people on Fridays
  • [17:45:14] <mdp> that's how you look up the register in the TRM
  • [17:45:33] <mdp> bradfa, I'm living on the edge today
  • [17:47:09] <bradfa> ok, I suck at git
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  • [17:47:56] <mdp> I'd say "join the club"...but if there were a club I couldn't mention it
  • [17:48:25] <bradfa> git push --force to the rescue!
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  • [17:49:38] <bradfa> https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables/tree/mdp-request
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  • [17:50:39] <bradfa> mdp, I do see your point though, about mode 0 going in the NAME column
  • [17:50:55] <bradfa> that's how it's named in Linux and am335x docs
  • [17:51:01] <mdp> exactly
  • [17:51:10] <bradfa> k, copy paste time
  • [17:54:16] <bradfa> mdp-request branch up to date
  • [17:54:18] <mdp> yes, you want people to look at NAME and be able to search on "gpmc_ad0" in TRM Table 9-10 to get the right register offset
  • [17:54:23] <mdp> for example
  • [17:54:29] <bradfa> register offsets!
  • [17:54:54] <bradfa> mdp, you know what would be really handy, speaking of register offsets, is if TI would put the damn base address on each register table!
  • [17:55:16] <bradfa> not all TI data sheets do this
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  • [17:55:49] <mdp> ;)
  • [17:55:49] <bradfa> it's like TI gave a bunch of monkeys coke and asked them to write tech documents
  • [17:56:08] <bradfa> oh, real fun one to look at, CC430 SPI slave picture in data sheet
  • [17:56:38] <bradfa> picture and comment don't match, one says 4 wire, other says 5 wire. No where does the word "chip select" show up
  • [17:56:39] <mdp> bradfa, if you keep talking smack, I'll ask them to explode the TRM into separate 8+3 named files for each chapter...like am180x and the dsp parts ;)
  • [17:56:43] <mdp> keep it up, pal
  • [17:56:47] <bradfa> :0
  • [17:56:58] <bradfa> sprux893.ppt!
  • [17:57:24] <bradfa> (that might actually be a valid TI documentation file)
  • [17:57:56] <mdp> the exploded TRM method has been a major pain point for me on am180x...what a pita to organize those pdfs
  • [17:58:03] <bradfa> I need to justify my columns in the text...
  • [17:58:15] <bradfa> Microchip provides some of their docs, 1 chapter per PDF.
  • [17:58:23] <bradfa> they rate limit you if you download too many at once
  • [17:58:43] <mdp> I have this entire directory hierarchy so I can quickly pull up the spi chapter..I can't remember the 8 character magic name for each chapter ;)
  • [17:58:47] <mdp> too dumb
  • [17:58:56] <mru> bradfa: limit by what?
  • [17:59:06] <bradfa> I have to prepend real names to my TI docs else I have no idea what they are fo
  • [17:59:13] <bradfa> won't let you download for time period
  • [17:59:19] <bradfa> at least last I tried
  • [17:59:26] <bradfa> but that was 1+ year ago
  • [17:59:30] <bradfa> glad to not deal with them any more
  • [17:59:43] <mdp> bradfa, I quit doing that way because things were updated and I'd do it again..
  • [17:59:52] <bradfa> yeah, that's a tradeoff
  • [17:59:53] <mdp> just went to the directory thing
  • [18:00:24] <bradfa> ok, merging mdp-request branch into master, probably with a squash
  • [18:00:29] <bradfa> so far no objections!
  • [18:00:34] <bradfa> muhahahaha
  • [18:00:43] <mdp> bradfa, I will ack!
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  • [18:01:21] <bradfa> mdp, which email you want in the 'acked by' line?
  • [18:01:26] <bradfa> mdp@#beagle
  • [18:01:35] <bradfa> ?
  • [18:02:35] <mdp> you should take all the credit here ;)
  • [18:02:47] <bradfa> ha, me take credit...
  • [18:02:50] <mdp> all I did was chatter some comments ;)
  • [18:03:15] <bradfa> mdp, best part is my list is more accurate than bone SRM
  • [18:03:40] <mdp> shhhh
  • [18:03:46] <bradfa> k k k
  • [18:08:24] <mranostay> mdp: blame is socialized, credit is personalized :)
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  • [18:11:15] <bradfa> any recommendations on a good book that Packt Publishing has printed? I get a free one
  • [18:11:19] <bradfa> no idea what I'd want
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  • [18:20:18] <woglinde> haha
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  • [18:37:42] <cupofnestor> Hello all. Just dusted out my bone, and it won't show up as a usbserial device in /dev/. I'm on Lion, and it shows up a an FTDI device in system profiler. Any suggestions?
  • [18:38:40] <mranostay> you have the driver loaded?
  • [18:40:03] <cupofnestor> Installed the FTDI driver from the micro SD card.
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  • [18:50:13] <cupofnestor_> sorry, battery died.
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  • [18:50:40] <cupofnestor_> I jsut plugged it into my linux machine, and it automagically mounted the partition.
  • [18:52:02] <cupofnestor_> and I've got /dev/beaglebone, so it must just be an issue on my macBookPro.
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  • [19:23:52] <cehh> koen: are there daily images of github.com/beagleboard/kernel available somewhere?
  • [19:26:00] <koen> only if you build them
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  • [19:26:15] <koen> and there aren't daily change to all branches
  • [19:27:54] <cehh> koen: ok, no problem
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  • [20:48:15] <woglinde> against wall?
  • [20:49:03] <mranostay> 3 do_fetch threads running.
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  • [20:49:17] <mranostay> god this office has the worst internet connection ever
  • [20:50:27] <georgem> make someone fix it?
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  • [20:54:50] <mranostay> georgem: aren't we a dreamer? :)
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  • [20:55:43] <georgem> mranostay: maybe you need to work on being more annoying :)
  • [20:56:50] <mranostay> oh you clearly don't know me :)
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  • [22:10:50] <ds2> \
  • [22:11:06] <djlewis> //
  • [22:11:33] <mdp> \\\
  • [22:11:41] <joelagnel> ///
  • [22:13:10] <ds2> joelangel: hey, how's life after HDMI?
  • [22:17:18] <mdp> ds2, he's got life with mainline/DT now ;)
  • [22:32:03] <ds2> god damn it... AWS has way too much IP space
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