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  • [05:23:16] <_av500_> mranostay: yes
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  • [05:33:27] <ds2> I wonder...
  • [05:33:30] <ds2> koen: ping
  • [05:33:56] <mranostay> oh uh ds2 is up to something
  • [05:34:08] <ds2> nah ;)
  • [05:34:54] <ds2> mranostay: have you written code to identify isotopes from your geiger?
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  • [05:40:09] <_av500_> and render them in 3d
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  • [05:40:39] <ds2> heheh
  • [05:40:50] <ds2> _av500_: trying to get him out of kickstater eh?
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  • [05:41:57] <mranostay> ds2: that isn't possible with a geiger counter
  • [05:42:07] <mranostay> scintillator yes
  • [05:42:22] <_av500_> ds2: with right funding, anything is possible
  • [05:42:50] <ds2> mranostay: there was a page for counters that suggest otherwise
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  • [05:43:03] <ds2> something about decay rates and plotting it on a log graph, IIRC
  • [05:43:05] <ds2> let me see if I cna find it
  • [05:43:37] <mranostay> you could vary the voltage to see what the energies are
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  • [05:45:29] <_av500_> mranostay: try a kalman filter
  • [05:45:33] <mranostay> ds2: 90% is probably Carbon-14 :)
  • [05:46:12] <_av500_> mranostay: 9% is that leftovers in the fridge
  • [05:47:10] <mranostay> ok that looks like killer math :)
  • [05:47:45] <ds2> mranostay: http://aw-el.com/f_decay.htm
  • [05:50:36] <emeb_mac> looks like it takes a while to collect the data too.
  • [05:52:15] <mranostay> heh well that isn't a problem
  • [05:53:21] <mranostay> heh how old are the photos on that site? :)
  • [05:53:27] <mranostay> Gateway laptop..
  • [05:53:31] <ds2> maybe someone else will know - is the change to set the DVI I2C bus on the Beagle to 100KHz from Koen?
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  • [05:54:37] <mranostay> ds2: from 400 khz right?
  • [05:54:44] <ds2> mranostay: yep
  • [05:54:53] <mranostay> yeah i think i was to fix a few cape issues
  • [05:54:55] <ds2> the comments say it is for Pico
  • [05:55:00] <ds2> mranostay: cape????
  • [05:55:08] <mranostay> ds2: pico?
  • [05:55:14] <ds2> this is on the classic and xM
  • [05:55:35] <ds2> yeah, the comment says it is for the Pico DLP development kit.
  • [05:55:36] <mranostay> ah nm
  • [05:55:44] <mranostay> no clue then
  • [05:56:02] <ds2> if there is a similar change for the Bone, then it does seem Pico specific
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  • [06:09:33] <emeb_mac> pico - that little projector?
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  • [06:14:06] <jpt_> hi all, I am new to beaglebone.
  • [06:14:41] <jpt_> I just bought a beaglebone and a LCD7 cape from cicuitco, but it does not work.
  • [06:14:59] <jpt_> Can anyone help?
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  • [06:25:56] <mranostay> heh
  • [06:26:23] <bobsickle> just explain what you've tried and what's going wrong, the people might be willing to help
  • [06:26:29] <bobsickle> *then
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  • [06:34:15] <mranostay> bobsickle: you are asking too much
  • [06:35:27] * bobsickle stabs at people who don't know how to ask for help properly
  • [06:40:47] <bobsickle> I have joins and parts ignored on this channel, has jpt_ left or something?
  • [06:45:23] <dm8tbr> about 5 minutes before you answered...
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  • [07:03:57] <av500> they all do
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  • [10:22:53] <av500> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-STM32-HY-MINI-STM32V-Development-Board-STM32F103VCT6-With-3-2-LCD/312788_425312334.html
  • [10:24:49] <dm8tbr> another killer board no less
  • [10:26:48] <av500> $35 with LCD is not bad
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  • [10:28:27] <dm8tbr> that's competititve compared to a certain shrub-fruit-board
  • [10:29:28] <av500> 72mhz M3
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  • [10:30:20] <dm8tbr> so? as if an armv6 would be that much better ;)
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  • [14:30:40] <Guest86662> i am compiling linux kernel for beagle board as per the instruction in this site "tekytech.wordpress.com/topics/compiling-linux-kernel-4-beagleboardxm/"
  • [14:31:04] <Guest86662> but after uncompressing the kernel the there is no output on console
  • [14:31:14] <av500> well, then ask there, no?
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  • [14:32:43] <Guest86662> some one else also have same problem and asked the same question but answer given by him.
  • [14:32:58] <Guest86662> i have also tried but the same response i am getting
  • [14:33:26] <Guest86662> no output after uncompressing of kernel
  • [14:33:48] <av500> pastebin a full boot log
  • [14:34:30] <Guest86662> i have made boot.scr and compiling linux kernel 3.0
  • [14:34:53] <koen> isn't that 6 releases out of that already?
  • [14:35:58] * av500 lols at "vim Makefile"
  • [14:36:20] <mru> it won't work if you use emacs
  • [14:36:24] <Guest86662> 5 mins
  • [14:37:48] <mdp> the link is unclickable, I'm blocked by that ;)
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  • [14:53:13] <Guest86662> http://pastebin.com/G3RqdZzR
  • [14:53:39] <av500> content of uEnv.txt?
  • [14:54:07] <av500> and why did you make a boot.scr when its not even used?
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  • [14:57:13] <Guest86662> http://pastebin.com/MaSq97BL
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  • [14:58:58] <Guest86662> is uEnc.txt good ?
  • [14:59:14] <Guest86662> uEnv.txt
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  • [15:00:21] <av500> console=ttyO2,115200n8
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  • [15:05:34] <Guest86662> in place of "console="ttyO2 console=ttyO2,115200n8" " should i write only " console=ttyO2,115200n8 "
  • [15:05:40] <av500> yes
  • [15:07:07] <Guest86662> same error
  • [15:07:25] <Guest86662> no output after "booting the kernel"
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  • [15:13:31] <joelagnel> koen, did you get a chance to try emmc in 8-bit mode?
  • [15:14:17] <joelagnel> it involves a change to the CAP flag in my patch from 4_BIT to 8_BIT
  • [15:15:07] <joelagnel> partition table reads hang on my setup, i am starting to wonder if you're seeing the same thing
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  • [15:16:57] <joelagnel> i.e. if you ever tried 8bit
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  • [15:34:13] <Guest86662> @av500 how to moveforward
  • [15:36:43] <Guest86662> help
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  • [15:43:31] <Guest86662> any other way of compiling the kernel for beagle board
  • [15:46:28] <alan_o> Guest86662: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux
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  • [15:51:03] <bobsickle> wish I had known that page existed 3 months ago
  • [15:51:36] <Guest86662> thanks
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  • [15:53:36] <Guest86662> i have corrected the console=ttyO2,115200n8
  • [15:53:54] <Guest86662> still the kernel hangs after "booting the kernel"
  • [15:54:18] <alan_o> Guest86662: Then you have some other problem
  • [15:55:09] <Guest86662> is there any linux kernel available so that i can compile it and use that uImage
  • [15:55:12] <Guest86662> thanks
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  • [15:55:22] <alan_o> Somewhere on the beagleboard site there were "exact steps"
  • [15:55:26] <alan_o> having a hard time finding that now
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  • [15:56:12] <av500> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel
  • [15:56:26] <Guest86662> thanks
  • [15:56:42] <av500> its first hit for "building a kernel for beagleboard"
  • [15:56:52] <alan_o> yes, that's not on the beagleboard site is it....
  • [15:57:17] <alan_o> I have google, too :)
  • [15:57:24] <av500> it was for Guest86662
  • [15:57:32] <alan_o> ah, hehe....
  • [15:57:41] <alan_o> I get google-burned a lot if you can't tell....
  • [15:58:00] <alan_o> but yeah, that one is for if your want to extract stuff out of OE and build it yourself
  • [15:58:00] <Guest86662> thanks
  • [15:58:11] <Guest86662> yes
  • [15:58:27] <Guest86662> i want to build my self
  • [15:58:48] <alan_o> I swear it used to be on the FAQ under "I just want to build a kernel and bootloader myself"
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  • [15:58:55] <alan_o> maybe that's the bone faq.....
  • [15:59:15] <av500> a certain koen would says: "One does not simply build a kernel"
  • [15:59:19] <av500> -s
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  • [16:00:00] <koen> right
  • [16:00:09] <alan_o> Well then koen is wrong, and if he is right, then there's a bigger problem... it should be made easy somewhere.
  • [16:00:23] <koen> if you can't figure it out on your own, you don't need to build it
  • [16:00:38] <koen> <- elitist jerk
  • [16:00:49] <av500> jerky elitist
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  • [16:00:58] <alan_o> koen: maybe, for some level of "you" and for some level of "figure it out" and for some level of "on your own."
  • [16:00:58] <koen> I mean, how hard is it to google up:
  • [16:01:01] <koen> export ARCH=arm
  • [16:01:09] <koen> export CROSS_COMPILE=something-
  • [16:01:10] <koen> make uImage
  • [16:01:12] <koen> make dtbs
  • [16:01:13] <mdp> and beagleboard.org prefers to have people look at all the blogs with varying degrees of wrongness to find answers
  • [16:01:25] <alan_o> mdp: yes, that
  • [16:01:44] <alan_o> there's tons of info all over, with varying degrees of _oldness_ is what I'd say
  • [16:02:02] <mdp> some is just wrong wrong depending on the subject too ;)
  • [16:02:05] <koen> alan_o: I'm strongly of the opinion that when people *need* to rebuild (not to be confused with 'want'), the software sucks
  • [16:02:33] <koen> and with spidev being the default, I've eliminated 99% of the 'needs'
  • [16:02:39] <mru> alan_o: only oldness, no newdity?
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  • [16:03:37] <koen> I'm more concerned with people being paid good money to write driver who can't figure out how to make patches or use git
  • [16:04:07] <mdp> koen, don't bring your vendor code woes into the channel ;)
  • [16:04:10] <koen> but that's just frustration from the day job shining through
  • [16:04:38] <av500> koen: that has not place whatsoever here!!!!
  • [16:04:44] * av500 curses TI
  • [16:04:52] * mdp curses TI
  • [16:04:55] <mdp> er, nm
  • [16:04:57] <av500> :)
  • [16:05:03] <mdp> ;)
  • [16:05:05] <alan_o> koen: I know, and from the beagleboard.org project perspective, I respect that position. However... a board designed for the hacker community is invariably going to attract people who _want_ to build a kernel, and not just people who are embedded pros, lots of hobbyists to who are trying to get into this embedded linux thing. Sometimes smart people who are trying to figure it out and need to be pointed in the right direction. With the be
  • [16:05:05] <alan_o> agle board marketed as "jumpstart your ARM development" it stands to reason that people would want to start with it, and then use it to develop the skills they will need to work on other project. Building a kernel is one of those skills. For people who are going to just use Cloud9 and twiddle gpio though, then I agree with you, nobody should need to build a kernel.
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  • [16:05:44] <Guest86662> i agree
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  • [16:06:07] <Guest86662> i am just a student of BS 1 yr
  • [16:06:22] <alan_o> Guest86662: I'm a lifetime student of BS :)
  • [16:06:28] <mdp> alan_o, somebody just needs the desire and time to write it up on elinux...the official beagleboard.org info repository ;)
  • [16:06:40] <mdp> then you'll have canonical exact steps
  • [16:06:44] <koen> alan_o: it's stated in the A6 SRM how to rebuild *everything* on the SD card, including the kernel
  • [16:06:47] <mru> alan_o: if you want to study BS, #rpi is a better place
  • [16:06:48] <Guest86662> i just bought beagle board because the available help on internet
  • [16:06:59] <Guest86662> i am not studying BS
  • [16:07:04] <alan_o> mru: hehe
  • [16:07:11] <koen> maybe we need to copy/paste that into the beagleboard SRM
  • [16:07:19] <av500> whats wrong with Bacon Science anyway?
  • [16:07:21] <alan_o> koen: That's for Bone, and yes.
  • [16:07:30] <mdp> I found BS is all I need
  • [16:07:31] <alan_o> koen: I think that's probably what I remember seeing.
  • [16:07:49] <Guest86662> i am not studing BS here
  • [16:08:01] <Guest86662> i am here to build my own kernel
  • [16:08:08] <Guest86662> and do some experiment
  • [16:08:15] <Guest86662> its my passion
  • [16:08:24] <Guest86662> not my study for BS
  • [16:08:47] <Guest86662> i want to learn embedded linux....
  • [16:08:49] <Guest86662> thanks
  • [16:09:07] <mru> it's exactly the same as regular linux
  • [16:09:17] <alan_o> mru: come on......
  • [16:09:21] <mdp> !!!
  • [16:09:21] <Guest86662> no its not
  • [16:09:31] <thurbad> these days it's fairly close
  • [16:09:36] <alan_o> from userspace
  • [16:09:37] <alan_o> yes
  • [16:09:43] <mru> Guest86662: did you come here to learn or to teach?
  • [16:09:44] <mdp> well, as long as you don't do anything unethical like cross compiling
  • [16:09:48] <Guest86662> we are compiling for arm not for intel
  • [16:09:50] <thurbad> unless you're using baremetal
  • [16:10:02] <mru> thurbad: baremetal is not linux
  • [16:10:08] <mru> by definition
  • [16:10:11] <thurbad> very true
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  • [16:10:16] <alan_o> from userspace it's the same, but _doing_ embedded linux is not userspace. Once you're in userspace, the "embedded" part of it is really done.
  • [16:10:24] <LetoThe2nd> Guest86662: you can use ARM regular and x86 as embedded. thats not an argument.
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  • [16:10:29] <mru> kernelspace is the same too
  • [16:10:37] <adj> arm, intel... IF compiler works, what's the difference...
  • [16:10:43] <mru> I build the same kernel source for servers, desktops, and "embedded" systems
  • [16:11:01] <LetoThe2nd> mru: yeah, me too. its called vanilla ;)
  • [16:11:11] <koen> make <something>Image
  • [16:11:19] <LetoThe2nd> koen: sImage?
  • [16:11:26] <alan_o> mru: consider though that non-embedded linux typically doesn't involve a kernel compile at all, and if it does, it doesn't typically involve modifying any code (just turning things on and off).
  • [16:11:26] <mru> choosing TI EMAC instead of e1000 for the network driver hardly makes a difference
  • [16:11:31] * koen stabs LetoThe2nd with a shaper image catalog
  • [16:11:36] <av500> LetoThe2nd: SpittingImage
  • [16:11:51] * LetoThe2nd crushes koen with his worm tail.
  • [16:12:00] * koen sprinkles water on LetoThe2nd
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  • [16:16:17] <av500> hmm, The Unicode Standard book is still at 5.0
  • [16:16:31] <woglinde> sure
  • [16:17:07] * av500 wants to order 6.0 so he can take 5.0 back home :)
  • [16:17:26] <alan_o> Guest86662: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [16:18:06] <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom-and-eventually-also-the-linux-kernel
  • [16:18:26] <alan_o> ugh.....
  • [16:18:41] <alan_o> so one of the lines in my link will build the kernel
  • [16:18:48] <alan_o> It's the one that has kernel in it.
  • [16:20:30] <alan_o> Guest86662: Since you're wanting to learn embedded Linux, I'd also recommend the docs at http://free-electrons.com/docs/
  • [16:21:02] <alan_o> They have quite a few on embedded-linux-related topics, all the way down to building your toolchain.
  • [16:21:27] <mdp> oddly, I can't begin to imagine using anything remotely like the angstrom instructions to build the kernel for devel purposes
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  • [16:22:07] <alan_o> mdp: It surprises me that OE is a mystery to so many.
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  • [16:22:14] <alan_o> mdp: one of those people is me, by the way :)
  • [16:22:52] <alan_o> but serious, it seems like not very many people really know it. And that's based on answers like "I don't know/use OE" in this channel and other places.
  • [16:22:59] <alan_o> Other places like ELC :)
  • [16:23:00] <av500> wasnt there an OE tracking github kernel?
  • [16:23:18] <av500> made by kOEn?
  • [16:24:01] <alan_o> av500: It seems to me like at one point there was a github project which did this, but it was unofficial and out of date. I seem to remember being told that in this channel.
  • [16:24:13] <alan_o> All that stuff adds to the confusion.....
  • [16:24:22] <mdp> beagleboard/beagleboard-kernel
  • [16:24:33] <mdp> ?
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  • [16:24:52] <mdp> "I don't use OE" for dirctly anything though ;)
  • [16:25:12] * mdp decides not to fix that statement
  • [16:25:21] <alan_o> mdp: as far as OE goes though, I kind of agree with you, which is why it's a little frustrating that there's not something easier for beginners to look at, since the "official" instructions are to use OE.
  • [16:25:50] <av500> i'm fine with "use OE" in order to rebuilt ther whole image
  • [16:26:04] <av500> since rebuilding ubuntu or any other distro is even worse
  • [16:26:51] <alan_o> I'm not interested in building angstrom userspace though. I just want to build the kernel. Maybe that's just me, but it seems like it's a fairly common position.
  • [16:27:02] <av500> yes
  • [16:27:47] <av500> in that respect, these instructions seem quite good: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel
  • [16:28:08] <av500> they refer to OE and you get what is in eo/angstrom
  • [16:28:20] <av500> and not a random tarball that worked at time T
  • [16:28:46] <alan_o> probably so, provided they are still up to date.
  • [16:28:53] <alan_o> I didn't look really close
  • [16:28:59] <alan_o> but I think I used those instructions at one point.
  • [16:29:07] <alan_o> I used a _lot_ of stuff when I was getting started
  • [16:31:03] <alan_o> Guest86662: I also read "Building Embedded Linux Systems" by Karim Yaghmour when I was getting started. The current edition is a couple years old, but it covers most of the stuff that's different between "regular" linux and embedded linux, and what's required to build up an embedded system (toolchain, libc, kernel, userspace).
  • [16:31:51] <av500> even if you never build any of these, reading about them might come in useful
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  • [16:56:24] <woglinde> hm all embedded books are outdated at print time
  • [16:58:16] * prpplague would disagree with some books
  • [16:58:31] <woglinde> embedded-linux okay
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  • [16:59:27] <prpplague> hehe even some of those are still very applicable, as long they stick to core principles rather than "Please give exact steps..."
  • [16:59:48] <av500> woglinde: that only leaves fiction and railway timetables
  • [17:00:04] <woglinde> yeh sf
  • [17:00:07] <woglinde> and fairytales
  • [17:00:15] <av500> fairy tables
  • [17:00:20] <woglinde> even that
  • [17:00:31] <av500> like my tax returns :)
  • [17:00:44] <prpplague> av500: well based on my recent experience with the UK trains, i am pretty sure that the railway timetables may also be considered fiction
  • [17:01:19] <woglinde> av500 you are getting something back?
  • [17:01:48] <XorA|gone> prpplague: not fiction, someones dream!
  • [17:02:09] <av500> woglinde: of course
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  • [17:02:21] <mru> prpplague: I always thought they were intended as some kind of comedy
  • [17:03:17] <prpplague> mru: hehe
  • [17:03:26] <mru> I've tried reading them, but I find it hard to follow the author's train of thought
  • [17:03:39] <prpplague> mru: HA
  • [17:03:39] <XorA|gone> the UK, the country where its cheaper and quicker to drive
  • [17:03:43] <mru> so the joke pretty much derails
  • [17:04:06] <mru> XorA|gone: it's still not as bad as sweden
  • [17:04:21] <mru> there you're lucky if they don't refuse to sell you a ticket
  • [17:04:23] * XorA|gone hasnt been there
  • [17:06:22] <mranostay> XorA|gone: sure isn't as bad as the US :)
  • [17:06:29] <XorA|gone> and there is zero chance of fixing UK system as it always goes to lowest bidder
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  • [17:20:02] <brunosf> Do you have a beagle board tutorial for dummies?
  • [17:20:40] <Guest44776> no
  • [17:21:25] <mranostay> *ahem* google
  • [17:22:17] <brunosf> is it possible to give a "boot" on "beagle board" with a figure before the system up?
  • [17:23:57] <mranostay> you mean a splash screen..
  • [17:24:10] <brunosf> yes
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  • [17:27:28] <prpplague> brunosf: we usually leave the "dummies" over on the #raspberrypi channel
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  • [17:33:59] <XorA|gone> s/dummies/deluded/g
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  • [17:34:55] <jsabeaudry> Any easy way to measure the current consumed through the 3.3V on the beaglebone?
  • [17:43:41] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: you can add a shunt resistor
  • [17:43:48] <mranostay> jsabeaudry: ohms law and a shunt
  • [17:44:08] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: and either manually measure the voltage drop, or use a i2c device such as the INA219 to do the measurements
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  • [17:49:50] <jsabeaudry> Thanks for the pointers guys
  • [17:50:02] <jsabeaudry> On second thought the shunt on the 5v will do :)
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  • [17:59:36] <mranostay> does the bone have a shunt resistor on it?
  • [17:59:42] <mranostay> i recall the xM does
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  • [18:03:57] <jsabeaudry> mranostay, yup, R3
  • [18:04:07] <georgem> If anyone happens to be interested I've gone through the headache of rebasing the beaglebone kernel patches against upstream kernel.org linux-3.2.y
  • [18:04:43] <ds2> while you're at it, please fix PM on the bone
  • [18:04:58] <mranostay> and throw in some ponies
  • [18:05:46] <ds2> the bone is tired, it needs to hibernate
  • [18:05:54] <georgem> ds2: what problems are you experiencing. I haven't been too concerned with PM so I didn't test it too thoroughly.
  • [18:06:01] <georgem> oh, hibernate
  • [18:07:18] <georgem> my application is "always on" but maybe I'll test it out for fun.
  • [18:09:38] <mru> hibernating is for bears
  • [18:09:40] <mranostay> koen: why doesn't the battery cape have a on/off switch ? :)
  • [18:09:45] <mdp> georgem: fork https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/ and submit a pull request for a beaglebone-3.2
  • [18:10:10] <georgem> mdp: ok. will do
  • [18:11:14] <mdp> koen mentioned some reason why he wasn't going to try to rebase the vendor tree patches against mainline but since he owns that tree maybe he'll take it if the work's already done
  • [18:11:24] <mdp> if you needed it, somebody else will
  • [18:16:34] <georgem> mdp: *nods*. I build a kernel for 4 different embedded platforms and for numerous reasons I'm adamant they build from the same source.
  • [18:16:59] * mru smells a masochist
  • [18:17:00] <ds2> which platforms?
  • [18:17:18] <ds2> evm, sdp, beagle, beaglexm? :D
  • [18:17:20] <mru> b, d, s, and m
  • [18:17:30] <georgem> heh. no not even.
  • [18:18:15] * mdp senses another chance for DT to ride to the rescue
  • [18:18:19] <georgem> armeb-xscale, intel atom, pandaboard, beaglebone right now
  • [18:18:47] <mru> as I said...
  • [18:19:01] <ds2> ewwwww ;)
  • [18:19:24] <georgem> yeah...
  • [18:20:24] <mranostay> one of these is not like the others :)
  • [18:20:26] <ds2> what? no MIPS or PPC?
  • [18:20:43] <ds2> or Cortex-M3?
  • [18:20:46] <georgem> ha
  • [18:21:06] <mru> maybe you should reduce your adamantium intake
  • [18:21:11] <mranostay> speaking of intel atom
  • [18:21:21] <mranostay> has anyone got the free yocto box yet?
  • [18:21:32] * mru has not
  • [18:21:50] <mranostay> they pinged for my mailing address in July...
  • [18:21:53] <georgem> I've got thousands of products in the field using armeb-xscale and atom otherwise I'd gather up all of the board I have and launch them into vat of lava with a trebuchet.
  • [18:21:56] <ds2> they are probally waiting for the address/name list to sell enough times to pay for the box before shipping ;)
  • [18:22:39] <mranostay> maybe we'll get it before the next ELC
  • [18:22:54] <mdp> mranostay, cupertino is tough to find with nothing significant there.
  • [18:23:03] <ds2> did they move ELC to Dec 31, 2013?
  • [18:23:36] <georgem> heh
  • [18:24:31] <woglinde> hackberry
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  • [18:25:03] <georgem> mdp: I lived there when I was toddler, now I live in the midwest. horray
  • [18:25:21] <mranostay> mdp: the borg is going in right across the street from me
  • [18:25:32] <ds2> georgem: where in the midwest?
  • [18:25:35] <mdp> mranostay, ;)
  • [18:25:44] <georgem> ds2: kansas city
  • [18:25:48] <mru> georgem: the reverse seems more fun
  • [18:25:48] <mdp> mranostay, just being snarky
  • [18:25:48] <ds2> ah
  • [18:25:54] <mdp> georgem: googleland?!?
  • [18:26:05] <georgem> mdp: muhahaha yup.
  • [18:26:12] <ds2> did you cool your computers this summer by closing the doors, windows, and shutting off the fans? ;)
  • [18:26:30] <mranostay> mdp: that is when my rent goes to uber-insane :)
  • [18:26:37] <mdp> georgem: they chose a midwestern city because if they destroy it with their service, then they figure no big loss ;)
  • [18:27:00] <mranostay> georgem: so what is there to do in Kansas City? :)
  • [18:27:07] <mdp> mranostay, lol
  • [18:27:50] <georgem> mdp: or maybe thats where the dart landed.
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  • [18:28:21] <georgem> or maybe they're just planning on conquering the entire country from the geographic center outwards. ha
  • [18:28:40] <mranostay> and why is Kansas City not in Kansas? :)
  • [18:28:57] <alan_o> mranostay: it is :)
  • [18:29:04] <alan_o> mranostay: It's just also in MO :)
  • [18:32:29] <georgem> mranostay: Since you asked. its both. well... Kansas City was founded on west port landing as a steamboat junction just east of where the Missouri river forks. The Missouri river was then used as the border between the two states north of the fork.
  • [18:32:47] <alan_o> actually, that's what I always thought....
  • [18:33:03] <alan_o> but looking at the map now, it seems like both cities are mostly south of the river
  • [18:33:36] <alan_o> and the river only is the state border for a while, then it's a seemingly arbitrary meridian.
  • [18:33:58] <alan_o> no wait, you said north of the fork
  • [18:33:58] <mranostay> alan_o: like all states :)
  • [18:34:01] <alan_o> yeah that's true
  • [18:34:22] <mranostay> politics of course
  • [18:34:40] <alan_o> I wonder whether what's now the larger part of Kansas city is newer than what's north of the fork
  • [18:34:48] <mranostay> which is how Ohio got Toledo..
  • [18:35:21] * mranostay wonders how this became state talk
  • [18:35:31] <alan_o> Google
  • [18:35:39] <georgem> alan_o: yes. both cities are mostly south of the river. The river going north was the border at the time the states were founded. Rivers natrually change paths over time but the border did not. The border south is a basically a line from where the rivers fork.
  • [18:37:28] <alan_o> georgem: and if I had been paying attention, I'd have realized that the guy talking about it was the same guy that's _from_ there.....
  • [18:37:29] <georgem> and to answer the other question there isn't all that much to do here. Maybe thats why I spent my entire adolescence in a basement hacking code :)
  • [18:39:24] <mdp> mranostay, note that we have _carefully_ blocked any encroachment of WV or KY over the Ohio river.
  • [18:39:30] <mdp> some lines are meant not to be crossed
  • [18:40:12] <mru> isn't there some law against a city crossing a state line?
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  • [18:41:00] <mranostay> mru: well it would be two cities
  • [18:41:06] <ds2> aren't there as least some bovines to tip?
  • [18:42:01] <mdp> georgem: yeah, we at least tipped bovines and got lost in the cornfields
  • [18:42:11] <mdp> in between hacking code in the basement
  • [18:42:27] <mranostay> mdp: in Mentor, Ohio?
  • [18:42:32] <ds2> i miss having basements
  • [18:42:36] <mdp> mranostay, chardon ;)
  • [18:42:45] <alan_o> I wish I had a basement (FL) :(
  • [18:43:06] * _av500_ has a basement
  • [18:43:07] <mdp> ds2, #1 thing I acquired when going phx->cle
  • [18:43:09] <_av500_> full of stuff
  • [18:43:10] <ds2> alan_o: wouldn't that be called a poor man's indoor pool there?
  • [18:43:35] <mdp> hehe
  • [18:43:41] <alan_o> ds2: something like that :)
  • [18:43:42] <ds2> mdp: besides the fluffy stuff?
  • [18:43:56] <alan_o> yeah, then theres that.....
  • [18:44:04] <alan_o> welcome to the jungle, I suppose....
  • [18:44:05] <mdp> ds2, there is that..I like fluffy stuff
  • [18:44:29] <alan_o> I'm envious of my friend in UT who says they never have mildew or mold anywhere
  • [18:45:11] <alan_o> He's got a swamp cooler that blows cold air for the price of running a fan and a little bit of water. In FL, that thing would be covered in mold in no time. (and nevermind not blow cold air).
  • [18:45:57] <mranostay> alan_o: what part of Florida? redneck or cool part? :)
  • [18:46:04] <mdp> heh
  • [18:46:04] <georgem> lol
  • [18:46:13] <alan_o> mranostay: I thought those were synonyms :)
  • [18:46:24] <alan_o> mranostay: I live in East Orlando
  • [18:46:27] <mdp> alan_o, rockin' south beach? ;)
  • [18:47:02] <mranostay> alan_o: do we need subtitles and like on Swamp People? :)
  • [18:47:36] <alan_o> mranostay: no. I've been told I don't have an accent. In fact I've also been asked, "how come you talk like a yankee?"
  • [18:47:53] <mdp> mranostay, um, even then, some of those subtitles say, "<UNKNOWN>" ;)
  • [18:47:55] <georgem> alan_o: we sell a lot of product thats used in Florida. All the PCBs need to be conformal coated so they don't rust.
  • [18:48:23] <alan_o> georgem: Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.
  • [18:48:36] <mranostay> mdp: *inaudible*
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  • [18:50:27] <mranostay> alan_o: isn't Orlando a high crime city?
  • [18:51:09] <alan_o> mranostay: beats me. Could be. The East side is a lot different than the West side, and especially the southwest side.
  • [18:51:55] <mranostay> mdp: living in the South for a year I can confirm those people exist.... :)
  • [18:52:33] <mdp> mranostay, no need to go that far south either
  • [18:52:50] <georgem> same way here too. crime rate between some zip codes can differ by two orders of magnitude.
  • [18:53:02] <alan_o> The East side doesn't seem bad. A lot of central Florida is called "Orlando," all the way down to Disney which isn't even in Orange County
  • [18:53:26] <mranostay> oh believe me there is a latitude line i'm never crossing again :)
  • [18:53:54] <mranostay> minus a few enclaves
  • [18:53:56] <alan_o> oh wait, some of Disney is in Orange, according to the Wiki. I never go down to that side. It's nice... keeps all the tourists away from me :)
  • [18:54:10] <prpplague> wheeeee - http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16158&cat=0&page=1&featured
  • [18:54:17] <prpplague> finally sold out
  • [18:55:06] <alan_o> prpplague: so do you have new products to replace these that are selling out for good?
  • [18:55:28] <alan_o> prpplague: I suppose I should look first :)
  • [18:56:14] <alan_o> seems like I got the feeling one time that you said you were letting the -xm stuff go out of production intentionally....
  • [18:57:24] <prpplague> alan_o: no, TCT is getting out of the beagle/panda accessory business
  • [18:57:38] <alan_o> So what's the new focus?
  • [18:57:46] <prpplague> alan_o: there are some discussions with some third parties to purchase the rights to boards
  • [18:57:58] <alan_o> interesting.
  • [18:58:14] <prpplague> alan_o: our focus has always been B2B engineering and low cost tool products
  • [18:58:43] <prpplague> alan_o: the beagle/panda items were an offshoot of work we had already done
  • [18:59:32] <alan_o> interesting... the B2B engineering part was not clear to me from reading the website.
  • [18:59:50] <alan_o> (not throwing stones. My website needs a lot of work.... )
  • [19:00:35] <prpplague> alan_o: we don't advertise
  • [19:00:46] <alan_o> So your linkedin says you work for TI (which I thought I saw before). Is that still accurate?
  • [19:01:05] <prpplague> alan_o: no, it says i am a contractor for TI
  • [19:01:38] <alan_o> oh right.... I have to start reading more carefully.
  • [19:08:06] <mdp> prpplague, as I now learned, you have to buy your own red TI shirts.
  • [19:09:21] <alan_o> mdp: It's amazing how shirts are always such an issue. It's like that everywhere it seems.
  • [19:09:44] <mdp> red TI shirts are in high demand
  • [19:10:09] <mdp> the fat cats are artificially limiting supply
  • [19:10:26] <alan_o> yeah, no doubt, and at the same time artificially limiting morale.
  • [19:10:49] <alan_o> When will fatcats in charge realize that morale is so easily bought, and at the same time so easily lost.
  • [19:11:11] <mdp> I got a blue shirt, and I'm hoping that means I can't be killed off in the next landing party
  • [19:11:13] <alan_o> And I'm not picking on TI. It's everywhere.
  • [19:11:53] <koen> mdp, georgem: I tried and gave up, PSP is not based on 3.2, but on a "random" commit from 3.2-omap + some unknown branches merged in
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  • [19:12:14] <koen> mdp, georgem: the PSP team refuses to tell people how that tree was created
  • [19:12:30] <georgem> koen: yeah. it was a bit of cluster.
  • [19:12:32] <koen> (I suspect they can't replicate it)
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  • [19:13:25] <mdp> that only adds more value to the production tree
  • [19:14:22] <georgem> we'll. I'll put up what I have
  • [19:14:52] <georgem> well*
  • [19:16:10] <prpplague> mdp: indeed
  • [19:16:53] <georgem> koen: rebasing 10000+ commits wasn't fun
  • [19:17:04] <georgem> down to 1000 after rebase though
  • [19:19:30] <koen> I have 3.6.0 running on my beaglebone right now
  • [19:19:37] <koen> much better place to spend efforts on
  • [19:20:00] <alan_o> koen: w00t!
  • [19:20:12] <koen> with DVI
  • [19:20:15] <koen> and PRU
  • [19:20:19] <koen> and PWM
  • [19:20:21] <koen> and SPI
  • [19:20:23] <koen> and I2C
  • [19:20:25] <koen> and MMC
  • [19:20:50] <alan_o> I haven't tracked that branch in about 3 weeks. In fact, I haven't booted up my bone in about that amount of time :( been way too busy.
  • [19:21:05] <alan_o> I've looked a couple times, but haven't built.
  • [19:21:09] <alan_o> Nice job on all that functionality
  • [19:21:10] <koen> dvi patches aren't in yet, people are still tweaking those
  • [19:21:28] <koen> alan_o: thank mdp, panto and patchwork :)
  • [19:21:53] <alan_o> Thanks mdp panto and patchwork :)
  • [19:22:02] <alan_o> wait.... patchwork isn't a person.....
  • [19:22:05] <panto> offerings in beer are accepted
  • [19:22:08] <mdp> thanks pwclient!
  • [19:22:23] <panto> heh
  • [19:22:59] <mdp> koen, don't reveal the sekrit kernel here!
  • [19:23:01] <mdp> bah
  • [19:23:23] <georgem> koen: yeah 3.6.0 is a better place to spend efforts. I just need 3.2.x until 3.6.x with realtime patches is stable.
  • [19:23:54] <alan_o> secret kernel..... "this is our proprietary tweaking of the linux kernel..." I'd like to see that on some marketing page sometime. Would be many laughs.
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  • [19:24:35] <alan_o> georgem: it is stable.... was declared so today :)
  • [19:24:54] <koen> georgem: CONFIG_PREEMPT doesn't kill mmc or ethernet with 3.6.0, unlike 3.2-vendor
  • [19:25:09] <mdp> ship it
  • [19:25:13] <georgem> heh
  • [19:25:17] <alan_o> yes, ship..
  • [19:25:43] <georgem> Has to be stable for my 2 main platforms also.
  • [19:26:03] <alan_o> That's right... masochist :)
  • [19:26:06] <mdp> your 8088 system?
  • [19:26:11] <georgem> yeah
  • [19:26:21] <alan_o> hey, we can't all run 6502
  • [19:26:24] <georgem> and my PDP11 ;p
  • [19:26:59] <mdp> alan_o, we can, you just choose not to!
  • [19:27:10] <alan_o> hah
  • [19:27:29] <alan_o> I'm currently doing motorola 68hc12
  • [19:27:41] <mdp> nice, I miss hc11
  • [19:28:25] <mdp> my uni was a moto place so I was very married to hc05/hc11/6809/68k
  • [19:28:26] <alan_o> I'm not far enough in to know all the differences yet. I actually never did any hc11. 8051 and PIC only on the micros.
  • [19:29:23] <alan_o> yeah, it seemed like that was a standard chip for the EE majors, and then in industry too, for all the hard-industrial stuff. I guess because so many companies could make it
  • [19:29:37] <mdp> 8031/8051 were tough to accept when I worked with them on the job
  • [19:29:38] <alan_o> 8051 got that way too. Even Microchip is making 8051's now.
  • [19:29:50] <mdp> yep, very popular
  • [19:29:52] <alan_o> tough for the employer to accept, or tough for you to stomach?
  • [19:29:56] <mdp> stomach
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  • [19:30:35] <mdp> the older Diebold ATMs that are still around a lot of places have an 8031 on every peripheral
  • [19:30:37] <alan_o> ah. I didn't know any better. In fact, when I was doing them (on my own while in college), I picked it because I could use SDCC for free.
  • [19:31:03] <mdp> some stuff never dies
  • [19:31:22] <alan_o> The other arch's I looked at had payware compilers that I couldn't afford (and I wanted to dev on Linux :) )
  • [19:31:28] <alan_o> mdp: yeah, that's about right.
  • [19:31:37] <georgem> I should try out the gcc port for 8051 sometime. hate the stoopid keil compiler.
  • [19:31:42] <alan_o> I'd tell you what I'm working on today, but I'm too embarrassed.. :)
  • [19:31:49] <mdp> take a look at WDC's 6502 page and look how people still design in that core to boards ;)
  • [19:32:14] <mdp> I mean, not hackaday stuff, but production boards
  • [19:32:29] <alan_o> I went there the other day. Some stuff really makes one scratch their heads....
  • [19:32:37] <mdp> hehe
  • [19:32:43] <alan_o> georgem: I didn't realize there was gcc for 8051.
  • [19:32:45] <alan_o> how new is that?
  • [19:32:49] <alan_o> there wasn't when I was doing it.
  • [19:32:54] <alan_o> hence SDCC
  • [19:33:07] <georgem> I'm not sure if its any good but I found it here: http://mcs51gcc.sourceforge.net/
  • [19:33:46] <georgem> ha. project has no files.
  • [19:34:01] <koen> it's on sourceforge
  • [19:34:08] <mdp> typical sourceforge project
  • [19:34:19] <KeatonT> indeed
  • [19:34:23] * KeatonT waves to all.
  • [19:34:23] <mdp> it just needs a link to a launchpad blueprint
  • [19:34:44] <georgem> I was actually running the keil compiler in wine :D
  • [19:34:48] <koen> needs a brainstorm first
  • [19:35:03] <alan_o> I did a way fun project in 8051 earlier this year. Debugging someone else's USB on 8051 in ASM (philips PDUSBD12 USB controller). And I say fun in a masochistic kind of way. Serious feeling of accomplishment when done.
  • [19:35:28] <alan_o> You'd think Keil would have gotten on the bus with Linux. they've been around forever
  • [19:35:28] <georgem> sdcc looks pretty cool.
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  • [19:36:13] <alan_o> georgem: Not sure what the dev status is currently, but 8051 seems like their main target, and it's been around a long time, and worked really well a long time ago.
  • [19:36:25] <alan_o> and by "really well" I mean it generated executable code and didn't crash.
  • [19:36:31] <georgem> haha
  • [19:36:48] <georgem> thats better than keil in some cases
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  • [19:37:15] <alan_o> For my blinking of LEDs and LCD displays and stuff in college, it was plenty good.
  • [19:37:33] <alan_o> I never got any debugging working with it, but there is a debugger.
  • [19:37:37] <koen> can it blow up op-amps?
  • [19:37:52] <alan_o> maybe :)
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  • [19:39:22] <alan_o> why do websites allow those ads that look like a download button? Just seeing the mcs51gcc sourceforge page now.....
  • [19:39:40] <alan_o> seriously, how do you explain that one to your mom when you're trying to get her to download something?
  • [19:40:04] <georgem> alan_o: I hate that crap
  • [19:40:13] <mru> alan_o: you install adblock on her computer when she's not watching
  • [19:40:40] <alan_o> yeah, that's about the only way
  • [19:41:10] <mranostay> mru: you don't troll your mom?
  • [19:41:40] <alan_o> but if I were offering downloads, I'd refuse to let doubleclick hijack my website. Then people get pissed at you when they download crapware off of _your_ website? All that is worth the $0.05 they got for the click? It doesnt' add up to me.
  • [19:42:14] <georgem> alan_o: might be hard to do that if a lot of the ads are syndicated through some service
  • [19:42:43] <mru> then don't use that service
  • [19:42:57] <alan_o> georgem: find a more ethical serivice? If I hired an ad service... that would be a serious breach of ethics in my mind.
  • [19:42:58] <georgem> that would be the honorable thing to do
  • [19:46:16] <ds2> just block doubleclick completely
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  • [19:46:22] <ds2> there is no good reason to be redirecting links
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  • [19:51:01] <alan_o> ds2: In fairness, they don't redirect the links, they just put a giant "Download" button that links to crapware. Blocking it doesn't fix the problem though. _I_ know better than to click on it. It's others who come to your website.
  • [19:51:23] <ds2> ad pushers in general are blocked on the network level so...
  • [19:51:32] <ds2> routers should it more often
  • [19:52:34] <georgem> crap. is there a good way to diff a series of commits between two branches in git? I have a beaglebone branch rebased against linux-stable and one against linux-stable-rt and I want to compare the two patch sets.
  • [19:52:51] <ds2> diff commit or code?
  • [19:52:59] <georgem> diff commits
  • [19:53:23] <ds2> worse case is git log with --oneline and diff the 2 results
  • [19:53:52] <djlewis> koen: cool, i want all those things on my beaglebone :)
  • [19:53:53] <koen> georgem: git cherry is a big help
  • [19:54:16] <georgem> koen: ok thanks. looks interesting. ive not used that.
  • [19:54:55] <ds2> koen: were you the person who changed the default DVI out I2C bus to 100KHz on the class/xM?
  • [19:56:13] <mdp> koen, are you going to wait until the merge window settles a bit to do beaglebone-3.7 or just wait until -rc1?
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  • [19:57:13] <djlewis> 1
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  • [19:57:49] <mdp> 11!
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  • [19:59:37] <mranostay> 111!
  • [19:59:44] <alan_o> one1
  • [20:00:01] <ds2> ~0
  • [20:00:09] <alan_o> ftw
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  • [20:02:30] <koen> mdp: finish some v3.2 work for a demo and then jump on 3.7
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  • [20:02:54] <koen> mdp: so if I get the new cape stuff right, I can start 3.7 on wednesday
  • [20:08:01] <mdp> cool
  • [20:09:02] <mdp> if I can get v2 of the dmaengine series out then I should be working on mcasp rsn
  • [20:09:52] <mdp> I thought about just testing it on beaglebone with the logic analyzer ;)
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  • [20:37:47] <XorA|gone> WTF?????? someone asks for a video tutorial of tar???? man the world has gone crazy
  • [20:38:17] <Crofton|work> make one
  • [20:38:25] <Crofton|work> put it on youtube
  • [20:38:28] <Crofton|work> turn on ads
  • [20:38:31] <Crofton|work> profit
  • [20:38:45] <XorA|gone> hmm, Id be more tempted to pour tarmac over some idiot and film that!
  • [20:39:00] <XorA|gone> Id make loads of $$$ to pay my wages in gaol
  • [20:40:48] <adj> skipping the filming part I'd need someone in my team just to do that
  • [20:41:20] <XorA|gone> you need to turn your team into a highway?
  • [20:41:37] <XorA|gone> oh right I see
  • [20:41:42] * XorA|gone dohs!
  • [20:42:18] <adj> tar - tarmac, what ever. The end results are close enough
  • [20:42:47] <adj> (working on continuous services / tech support team)
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  • [20:53:23] <alan_o> XorA|gone: hey man, video or you can't do it.
  • [20:53:25] <alan_o> :)
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  • [21:04:58] <djlewis> man ! tar
  • [21:05:19] <ds2> it is simple/
  • [21:05:22] <ds2> get a barrel of tar.
  • [21:05:28] <ds2> get a barrel heater
  • [21:05:34] <ds2> and a bag of feathers (optional)
  • [21:10:24] <alan_o> ds2: I couldn't find any of those on amazon.
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  • [21:24:05] <georgem> Just pushed this: https://github.com/gmccollister/kernel/tree/beaglebone-3.2
  • [21:24:43] <XorA|gone> alan_o: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bitumen-Tar-200ltr-Barrel-/320952540503?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4aba431d57#ht_500wt_1027
  • [21:24:47] <georgem> Thats just a first pass. Will have to do some more work on it tomorrow.
  • [21:28:40] <alan_o> XorA|gone: mmm.... 6 available.
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