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  • [01:29:46] <erwinschaefer> hello
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  • [01:42:56] <KeatonT> What on Debian do you mount?
  • [01:42:59] <KeatonT> sysfs?
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  • [02:40:56] <Kumar> Hi
  • [02:41:25] <Kumar> I have a beaglebon A6 and it shows up as an unrecognized device when I connect it to my USB port
  • [02:42:22] <Kumar> tried plugging it in another friends USB port as well
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  • [02:53:08] <mranostay> heh
  • [02:56:02] * mranostay pokes koen
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  • [03:03:47] <mranostay> koen: you have a magic cosm script for your weathercape?
  • [03:04:13] <mranostay> i don't see it on your github
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  • [04:11:54] <_av500_> gm
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  • [04:14:17] <Russ> _av500_, ge
  • [04:14:28] <_av500_> gah!
  • [04:16:08] <mranostay> i'll never get a hang of these timezones
  • [04:17:24] <_av500_> I usually zone out
  • [04:18:31] <Russ> I'm just going to start saying "good morrow", I figure no one knows what it means anyway
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  • [04:21:41] <mranostay> my sleep schedule doesn't exist so it is all the same to me
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  • [04:23:35] * mranostay doesn't get FB friends that have Mitt or Dubya as there profile photo..
  • [04:23:38] <mranostay> *their
  • [04:24:04] <mranostay> _av500_: so what is the european view on our election? :)
  • [04:24:27] <KeatonT> Hello.
  • [04:26:19] <_av500_> mranostay: how much time do you have? :)
  • [04:26:36] <mranostay> _av500_: one sentence summary :)
  • [04:26:56] <_av500_> mranostay: there is worse :)
  • [04:29:39] * mranostay triples checks this prototype cape with a multimeter before he shorts his bone :)
  • [04:30:21] <mranostay> _av500_: i can't tell who is worst the voters or the candidates :)
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  • [04:49:40] <ka6sox-away> mranostay, both are BAD.
  • [04:51:12] * mranostay wonders when someone though coding server side in JS was a good idea
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  • [04:57:36] <ds2> _av500_: which is worse... greece or the US election? :D
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  • [05:03:41] <ka6sox-away> ds2, greece is a more dire issue (today) ours is more dire (long term)
  • [05:03:46] <ka6sox-away> imltho
  • [05:04:11] <ds2> so we are completely F'ed in otherwords? :D
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  • [05:21:44] <mranostay> euro keep dropping baby :)
  • [05:22:02] <mranostay> i want a cheap vacation
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  • [06:41:02] <Russ> gah
  • [06:41:26] <Russ> so everyone finally makes great energy efficient E26 (standard sized) light bulbs
  • [06:42:17] <Russ> meantime, a law gets passed that if you sell an E26 bulb, it has to meet certain energy efficiency requirements
  • [06:42:44] <Russ> now, all the lighting and ceiling fans I'm shopping for don't come with E26 sockets anymore so they don't have to meet the requirement
  • [06:43:11] <Russ> so have to buy low efficiency bulbs, or really crummy efficient ones
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  • [06:46:49] <muhoo> it's kind of freaking me out that i'm compiling software on a basically a teeny little embedded board
  • [06:49:02] <av500> ds2: greece is overrated
  • [06:53:44] <Russ> muhoo, it does have a fun factor though
  • [06:54:32] <av500> Russ: so what sockets do they come with now?
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  • [07:02:06] <Russ> av500, E17, candelabra
  • [07:06:16] <av500> eek
  • [07:07:56] <Russ> and 'Since 2009 the Dept. of Energy mandated that ceiling fans and other lighted products can only consume a maximum of 190 watts.'
  • [07:08:24] <Russ> which I don't care too much about, but problem is what is forcing the E17
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  • [07:11:13] <av500> Russ: how much watts does the fan part take?
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  • [07:15:24] <kishore> Hello everyone i want to know if BeaglBoard xM and Intel Atom Processor are of same CPU power? If they are different what factors are different and can computer vision applications run on BeagleBoard xM ? Thanks
  • [07:15:41] <av500> no
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  • [07:17:06] <kishore> @av500 can you say why it is not equal?
  • [07:18:11] <av500> first of all, which of the several dozen atoms do you mean?
  • [07:18:36] <av500> and there you already have half of your answer :)
  • [07:19:40] <kishore> Consider a the best atom processor netbook in the market. I have little idea about netbooks and atom processor. Sorry
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  • [07:38:29] <Russ> av500, its just the light part that matters
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  • [07:41:18] <av500> Russ: well then 190W is plenty, no?
  • [07:44:00] <koen> mranostay: I have, but I need to take out my api key first :)
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  • [07:45:54] <koen> mranostay: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/0001-weatherstation-add-files.patch
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  • [07:47:10] <Russ> av500, yes, but the limit requires the manufacturer to install circuitry to actually limit it to 190W
  • [07:47:30] <Russ> rather than spend the money to do that, they just switch out the sockets to candelabra to be exempt
  • [07:53:18] <Russ> ah, found a write-up http://rosscarter.com/2007/34.html
  • [07:55:22] <av500> Russ: thanks!
  • [07:55:24] <av500> marvelous!
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  • [08:20:51] <av500> r-pi killer: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/08/29/olimex-a13-olinuxino-wifi-developer-edition-is-now-available/
  • [08:21:19] <av500> oops, no hdmi
  • [08:21:35] <av500> ah right, the A13 is the cost-down A10 and has no hdmi
  • [08:21:59] <LetoThe2nd> av500: well atleast chances are they can put the correct ethernet jacks onto it. olimex has been around long enough ;)
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  • [11:13:17] <koen> hey, an archospandora
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  • [11:16:04] <mru> pandora, what's that?
  • [11:16:41] <koen> a box of pain and suffering
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  • [11:33:47] <LetoThe2nd> koen: where? *looks*
  • [11:37:53] <koen> http://www.slashgear.com/archos-gamepad-gets-physical-for-android-gaming-28244285/
  • [11:41:08] <jedas> hi. what kind of platform do you usually use to build beagle images? angstrom online builder, buildroot or something else ?
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  • [12:28:51] <tasslehoff> would it be bad to make fsck run with -y instead of -p on boot? in the field my embedded system don't have a keyboard, and its kinda hard to "run fsck manually". better to have fsck make a brave attempt at fixing everything.
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  • [12:31:54] <av500> tasslehoff: sure, why no
  • [12:31:56] <av500> tasslehoff: sure, why not
  • [12:32:10] <av500> you have a recovery option anyway, no?
  • [12:34:30] <mru> seems to me you should build your system so it doesn't need fsck
  • [12:36:19] <tasslehoff> av500: yeah. a "hold this button on boot to switch to the other sw-image" thing.
  • [12:36:39] <tasslehoff> mru: how does one do that?
  • [12:36:48] <jedas> I'll dare myself to bump the question again. what do you guys use, TI provided SDK, or some 3rd party builders? It bugs me that TI doesn't provide some kind of packaging system
  • [12:37:38] <jedas> tasslehoff: read only fs would do that :)
  • [12:37:43] <tasslehoff> jedas: openembedded
  • [12:37:54] <koen> jedas: people pay good money to NOT use the TI SDK
  • [12:38:28] <jedas> i see
  • [12:38:47] <jedas> any happy openwrt users ?
  • [12:39:08] <tasslehoff> perhaps the time has come to finally investigating ro then
  • [12:39:13] <koen> jedas: of you're on beagle use narcissus, or if you can follow instructions: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [12:39:19] <jedas> I'm trying to decide what builder i should start with, but all of them have strong points :)
  • [12:39:46] <jedas> my final goal would be custom board
  • [12:39:46] <koen> it's 3 steps, but man, a lot of people can't resist skipping a few steps or something completely different
  • [12:40:08] <koen> and then state "I followed the steps exactly"
  • [12:40:11] <mru> and now for something completely different?
  • [12:40:43] <jedas> I've looked at angstrom activity and it seems to be shelved. but maybe it's wrong impression
  • [12:41:16] <mru> angstrom isn't a builder
  • [12:41:33] <ogra_> koen, skipping "a few" from 3 steps ? ... heh
  • [12:41:48] <koen> ogra_: you'd be suprised
  • [12:42:03] <mru> many even take a few steps back
  • [12:42:26] <ogra_> heh
  • [12:43:01] <jedas> ok, thanks, I'll look into that
  • [12:43:14] <mru> some even go as far as trying to install ubuntu
  • [12:44:30] <jedas> but why people should avoid TI sdk? it seems they've got ide, debuger, pix muxer utility..
  • [12:45:15] <jedas> I'm trying ubuntu now :) it went very nice, until I've tried to compile kernel inside system :) it took real 436m9.981s, ...
  • [12:45:17] <mru> when you buy a PC, do you use the Asus or whatever SDK for everything you do with it?
  • [12:46:07] <jedas> well.. for example as avr32 customer I was quite happy with everythign Atmel has gave
  • [12:46:15] <mru> omg
  • [12:46:23] <jedas> manufacturer support is kinda important i guess
  • [12:46:38] <mru> support, yes
  • [12:46:46] <mru> exclusive tool vendor, no
  • [12:47:47] <jedas> noted :)
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  • [14:42:50] <xinhuo> How to control BeagleBoard?
  • [14:44:22] * LetoThe2nd recommends making jedi hand moves and saying "you want to boot."
  • [14:44:30] <koen> give it a stern look while pointing your finger at it
  • [14:44:45] <LetoThe2nd> koen: thats so 1984
  • [14:45:53] <xinhuo> Can you explain so that I can understand easily?
  • [14:47:49] <Russ> can you make your question more clear?
  • [14:49:37] <stuk_gen> yes we can
  • [14:50:24] <xinhuo> How to start with the BeagleBoard?
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  • [15:02:07] <Russ> ...and he left
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  • [15:10:01] <v3> hi
  • [15:11:01] <v3> got a question I've got a beaglebone and a LCD7. how to get them to display?
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  • [15:24:20] <v3> hi
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  • [15:24:44] <v3> debian on beaglebone, how to get LCD7 working?
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  • [16:04:18] <av500> neat http://lmmtfy.net/
  • [16:11:41] <av500> *it* has shipped
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  • [16:36:33] <mranostay> av500: much use of that to come :)
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  • [18:24:14] <djlewis> gm oh yee quiet ones ;P
  • [18:25:43] <mranostay> LOUD NOISES!
  • [18:26:21] <mru> BOOM BOOM
  • [18:27:36] <mranostay> this dance party sucks
  • [18:28:04] <djlewis> ah, i feel so much better now with all the abundant lifeforms about :)
  • [18:29:24] * koen headdesks
  • [18:29:31] <koen> "why isn't wifi working?"
  • [18:29:47] <koen> step 1: use correct GPIOs in driver, check
  • [18:29:54] <djlewis> casue they need exact steps..
  • [18:29:57] <koen> step 2: check power, check
  • [18:30:10] <koen> step 3: check is driver is loaded, oops
  • [18:30:18] <_av500_> 4: check check, check
  • [18:30:32] <_av500_> check czech check, check!
  • [18:30:33] <djlewis> i broke my pencil lead chscking those off.
  • [18:30:42] <_av500_> fscking?
  • [18:31:24] <koen> mranostay: after I get wifi working the rtc change will go in as well
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  • [18:32:55] <mranostay> koen: cool
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  • [19:43:40] <_av500_> mranostay: but I am cooler!
  • [19:44:42] <mranostay> prpplague: so where does mru rank on the coolest scale with your kids?
  • [19:45:38] <prpplague> mranostay: he's number 2 now days
  • [19:45:55] <mranostay> damn koen is 3? he needs to get his trolling up
  • [19:46:51] <djlewis> put those dark trolling glasses on koen
  • [19:47:15] * mru flashes UV lamp at koen
  • [19:47:31] <mranostay> can the dutch handle sunlight?
  • [19:48:01] <_av500_> prpplague: \o/
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  • [19:53:04] <_av500_> mranostay: they can
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  • [19:59:26] <mranostay> i can only hope to troll to av500's level one day :P
  • [20:00:38] <mru> you're still young, so there's hope for you
  • [20:00:52] <woglinde> *g*
  • [20:02:46] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [20:13:54] <_av500_> mru: this is for you :) http://www.designworklife.com/2012/08/29/mr-cup-helvetica-wood-letters/
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  • [20:27:15] <_av500_> lol: http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
  • [20:27:32] <_av500_> its like a google product, you only leatn about it when it goes away
  • [20:27:38] <_av500_> learn*
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  • [20:32:01] <Russ> jeez, another one
  • [20:32:56] <woglinde> sunos is dead
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  • [20:34:24] <Russ> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci15207433#summary
  • [20:35:03] <_av500_> woglinde: seems nobody told them
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  • [20:35:30] <mru> sunos was dead the day they rebranded it as solaris
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  • [20:37:57] <woglinde> av500 they tried another haiku
  • [20:41:17] <prpplague> _av500_: ugh that picture makes me look like i weight 500lbs
  • [20:42:18] <XorA> prpplague: pictures taken on juptier?
  • [20:42:31] <mru> XorA: that would not alter his mass
  • [20:43:42] <prpplague> hehe
  • [20:43:55] <XorA> mru: weight != mass you fail physics :-D
  • [20:44:23] <mru> but pounds is a measure of mass
  • [20:44:29] <alan_o> ohhhh
  • [20:44:35] <mru> so you fail physics
  • [20:44:35] <alan_o> MRU is wrong about something
  • [20:44:59] <alan_o> first time ever that I've been watching :) but seriously, pounds is force
  • [20:45:28] <alan_o> In fact, when mru and I talk, I'm usually the one wrong, so I'm way behind :)
  • [20:45:30] <mru> "pounds force" is force
  • [20:46:12] <mru> compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28mass%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28force%29
  • [20:46:23] <alan_o> mru, yeah reading those now
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  • [20:47:39] <alan_o> Well, I will say... maybe this is an American vs European thing. In the US, pounds by default means force/weight. I've never even heard of the other. In science type environments it's Kg for mass and N (sometimes lbs) for force.
  • [20:48:08] <mru> and since he didn't qualify the pounds further, I take the liberty of interpreting it as I please
  • [20:48:34] <mru> alan_o: by what measure do you buy, say, sugar?
  • [20:48:34] <alan_o> okok fine.... you'll have to be wrong another day then.....
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  • [20:50:16] <mru> pounds, no?
  • [20:50:18] <XorA> alan_o: well he said weight and he is american, read as you wish :-D
  • [20:50:35] <alan_o> mru, we buy food by pound, in a grocery store, usually estimated in the produce section for example, by use of a spring scale, then weighed at the register by something built into the checkout system.
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  • [20:51:16] <mru> but you'd expect all 1lb bags of sugar to contain the same _mass_, no?
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  • [20:51:30] <mru> and what if you use a balance to measure it?
  • [20:51:34] <alan_o> mru, so to answer your question, I don't know what is actually being measured at checkout. Weight I'd say is most likely
  • [20:51:54] <alan_o> mru, yeah, that's the thing, most devices don't measure mass.
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  • [20:52:30] <alan_o> mru, so I don't know exactly on a bag of sugar. You buy by the pound or ounce, no doubt, but the bag does also have kg on it.
  • [20:52:41] <alan_o> maybe it is pound-mass
  • [20:52:41] <mru> but back to the original observation, of a person's weight and mass, only the mass can be estimated from a photograph
  • [20:53:01] <mru> kg is _always_ mass
  • [20:53:13] <woglinde> weight?
  • [20:53:55] <alan_o> mru: clearly so. but since we all live on the same planet (I think?) there is a common, while maybe scientifically inaccurate, lay-conversation-diction conversion between weight and mass.
  • [20:54:16] <djlewis> heavy reading
  • [20:54:28] <woglinde> is the weight the same on northpole?
  • [20:54:29] <alan_o> and by conversion I mean an equivalence drawn between mass and weight at sea level.
  • [20:54:56] <alan_o> woglinde: clearly not, and clearly not on Everest, but can you tell me the percentage difference?
  • [20:55:08] <woglinde> 3 mm
  • [20:55:26] <alan_o> woglinde: which is why I say scientifically-inaccurate
  • [20:55:37] <alan_o> woglinde: but close
  • [20:55:42] <woglinde> depends
  • [20:55:44] <alan_o> woglinde: not sure what 3mm means.
  • [20:55:55] <woglinde> sure you have only inches
  • [20:56:03] <XorA> inches rules
  • [20:56:10] <XorA> stupid metric system
  • [20:56:24] <woglinde> *g*
  • [20:56:31] <alan_o> woglinde: do you mean 3 millimeters? The question was percentage difference in weight at north pole vs Everest.
  • [20:56:45] <XorA> although UK still needs to educate USA on the size of a pint
  • [20:56:57] <woglinde> alan_o not my problem you can not interpred it
  • [20:57:27] <alan_o> woglinde: that's why I asked for clarification? I'm not trying be a jerk, I promise
  • [20:57:28] <_av500_> stop saying inches, it will wake ds2
  • [20:57:55] <woglinde> hm looks like I got alan_o
  • [20:58:07] <woglinde> av500 pint of beer?
  • [20:58:08] <alan_o> I don't know what's happening here
  • [20:58:34] <woglinde> alan_o thats good me neither
  • [20:58:42] <alan_o> hah
  • [20:58:45] <alan_o> ok, "got"
  • [20:58:47] <alan_o> yes.....
  • [20:58:50] <alan_o> reeled me in.
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  • [22:02:43] <trelane> dammit I joined here 2 days ago to gripe about how hard the watchdog is to set up on the beaglebone, but those jerks made it so easy I never needed help. Thanks jkridner__!
  • [22:03:00] <jkridner__> hehe
  • [22:03:01] <trelane> ^^^ probably saved me 6 hours and lots of alleive
  • [22:03:16] <jkridner__> :-D
  • [22:03:52] <trelane> what's fun is I can stick non-fatal tests (stuff that doesn't crash the bone) in a bash script, like "can I still ping things?" and force a backup of the ramdisk so that there's no lost data
  • [22:04:16] <trelane> still not running OE though :)
  • [22:06:14] <trelane> http://lan.trelane.net/graphs.html
  • [22:06:47] <trelane> ^^^ sensor logging on the bone with RRDtool
  • [22:07:16] <jkridner__> cool.
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  • [22:07:59] <trelane> hopefully next week it won't be synthetic. Hoping to have sensors monitoring real stuff.
  • [22:08:20] <trelane> I'll write an alarm/notice bit, and will be exporting data to JSON for ZenOSS
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  • [22:10:15] <trelane> anyway gotta run
  • [22:10:45] <woglinde> problem with sotck rrd file you can not read 32bit on 64bit and vice versa
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  • [22:55:11] <cwicks> good morning beagleboard!
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  • [22:59:01] <mranostay> saying hi to a object?
  • [23:00:00] <weserg> I am trying to setup a cross compile environment for angstrom on the beagle bone using the "Building Angstrom" directions. When I attempt gcc-cross it dies on gettext. Any pointers on where to look?
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  • [23:08:05] <mru> mranostay: it's all about object orientation these days, didn't you hear?
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  • [23:40:20] <mranostay> av500: german american flag? :)
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