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  • [00:35:24] <KeatonT> So using this formula for GPIO1_2
  • [00:35:32] <KeatonT> 32*1 + 2
  • [00:35:34] <KeatonT> is 34
  • [00:35:46] <KeatonT> but the pin is actually pin 5 on header P9
  • [00:35:48] <KeatonT> so wtf?
  • [00:35:51] <KeatonT> Anyone can explain?
  • [00:38:14] <W1N9Zr0> https://github.com/CircuitCo/BeagleBone-RevA5/blob/master/BeagleBone_revA5_SRM.pdf?raw=true
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  • [01:01:12] <emeb> those are pointy!
  • [01:03:07] <XorA> prpplague: sweet :-D
  • [01:04:31] * ds2 carelessly throws Xilinx FPGA's around
  • [01:04:55] <emeb> now you have to bake them out and straighten the leads.
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  • [01:05:17] <XorA> you can get a whole zx spectrum in a xilinx
  • [01:05:23] <ds2> leads??? these are *ahem* BGAs
  • [01:05:27] <XorA> I wish I had time to play with these toys
  • [01:05:45] <emeb> too high-tech for me.
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  • [01:08:57] <XorA> zx81 is all you ever need :-D
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  • [01:09:14] * XorA needs to learn PCB layout :-D
  • [01:09:44] <prpplague> XorA: :) there are several tutorials using eagle, but i recommend kicad, which also has a few tutorials
  • [01:09:56] * prpplague wishes he had time for all his projects
  • [01:10:23] <prpplague> just fyi, i am still looking for someone to take over the arduino-for-userspace-linux project
  • [01:10:39] <XorA> prpplague: I am swithering between Veecad and laying out my own PCBs and paying 30E a shot for them
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  • [01:13:03] <Russ> XorA, why are you paying so much? do you need them quickly?
  • [01:13:25] <XorA> Russ: becuase Im in the UK which sucks for prices
  • [01:14:08] <Russ> dorkbot international shipping wouldn't be too bad
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  • [01:14:45] <ds2> 60 isn't bad
  • [01:14:52] <XorA> people are reporting that they get totally stung for import fees on PCBs :-(
  • [01:15:01] <ds2> Russ: are you suggesting the 2-3 month turn around places?
  • [01:15:29] <Russ> yes
  • [01:15:37] <XorA> so was trying to stick within EU
  • [01:15:41] <Russ> you just have to have patience
  • [01:15:43] <agmlego> Dorkbot is faster than that.
  • [01:15:51] <Russ> its 3 weeks
  • [01:16:12] <ds2> you can find $30 range places w/o the 2-3 month turn around if you look
  • [01:16:17] <ds2> but that is US only
  • [01:16:30] <Russ> dorkbot is a lot less than $30
  • [01:16:39] <ds2> but is it 2-3 month?
  • [01:16:40] <Russ> and at lot less than 2-3 month
  • [01:16:45] <Russ> 3 weeks
  • [01:17:01] <XorA> Im not actually that bothered by paying 30E
  • [01:17:23] <XorA> if I design something sellable I can get signifficantly cheaper by ordering 20 or so anyway
  • [01:17:55] <ds2> Russ: this is the dorkbotpdx stuff?
  • [01:18:30] <agmlego> ds2: Yes.
  • [01:18:31] <Russ> yes
  • [01:18:44] <agmlego> They tend to have around a 3-week turnaround, and are stupidly cheap for boards.
  • [01:19:11] <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/groups/oshpark/pool/with/6991077022/
  • [01:19:23] <ds2> the 4layer stuff looks interesting
  • [01:19:45] <Russ> turn around was a bit longer for the 4 layer
  • [01:20:02] <emeb> what's the advantage of dorkbot vs BatchPCB?
  • [01:20:16] <ds2> the 2L stuff isn't that much cheaper
  • [01:20:36] <agmlego> emeb: Loads faster, and nicer boards.
  • [01:20:58] <emeb> agmlego: cool - will check them out for my next project.
  • [01:21:02] <ds2> ah.. I see the catch.. paypal only
  • [01:21:10] <emeb> not a problem for me.
  • [01:21:33] <ds2> wonder if he's willing to take credit cards via paypal
  • [01:21:47] <agmlego> How is PayPal only a catch?
  • [01:22:12] <ds2> no reason to give paypal's grimy hands access to my account
  • [01:22:29] <agmlego> So just tie it to a credit card.
  • [01:22:32] <ds2> besides, less risk with credit cards
  • [01:23:03] <ds2> that breaks down the overall point of using a credit card to control risk
  • [01:23:18] <agmlego> Not really.
  • [01:23:33] <ds2> does paypal itemize things on the CC statement?
  • [01:23:51] <ds2> or do they do a xfer to paypal?
  • [01:24:17] <agmlego> Does your normal seller itemize things on your bill for a given transaction?
  • [01:24:23] <agmlego> Because nowhere I shop does.
  • [01:24:35] <ds2> no
  • [01:24:36] <emeb> oooh - 6mil line/space.
  • [01:24:43] <emeb> can make things a bit tighter...
  • [01:24:46] <agmlego> ds2: So why is that even a question?
  • [01:24:57] <ds2> I mean if I make 2 purchases, will I get 2 charges
  • [01:25:08] <ds2> not itemize things down to individual items.
  • [01:25:25] <ds2> if they make lumpsum xfers, it creates issues with disputes
  • [01:25:32] <agmlego> ds2: If you make two separate transactions, you will have two separate transactions, yes.
  • [01:25:57] <ds2> agmlego: okay. do they show the vendor name in the transaction?
  • [01:26:23] <agmlego> ds2: Yes.
  • [01:26:53] <agmlego> A typical statement line will be something like "PayPal Transfer -- $vendor_name_here"
  • [01:27:05] <ds2> fair enough. only issue is they didn't allow using a credit card only
  • [01:27:21] <agmlego> Who is "they"?
  • [01:27:26] <ds2> they insist on getting their grubby little hands into your account then you can select CC funding
  • [01:27:28] <ds2> Paypal
  • [01:27:33] <thurbad> you sure about that ds2?
  • [01:27:39] <ds2> been through this last year
  • [01:27:40] <agmlego> No, you can set one up without an account.
  • [01:27:47] <agmlego> Always have been able to.
  • [01:27:52] <ds2> that's a new feature
  • [01:28:00] <thurbad> you can use paypal without an accountt if you use a credit card
  • [01:28:05] <agmlego> Sure, you get a few more fees for things, and they remind you about the option to add an account.
  • [01:28:14] <scromp> not if they recognize the cc #
  • [01:28:16] <ds2> then how do you get around their verification thing?
  • [01:28:23] <agmlego> ut they allow you to have a PayPal account tied to a credit card only.
  • [01:28:28] <agmlego> What verification thing?
  • [01:28:47] <scromp> if you are at your spending limit w/a non-premium account and they recognize the cc# you are screwed
  • [01:28:52] <ds2> cuz they won't let me do anything w/o being a verified user and to become a verified user, they insist on getting access to my account.
  • [01:28:57] <scromp> right
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  • [01:29:02] <scromp> i'm in the same boat
  • [01:29:16] <agmlego> ds2: They will not let you do anything...? Do go on.
  • [01:29:21] <scromp> and my account -was- verified before, i just deleted the account details
  • [01:29:40] <ds2> agmlego: yep. and I had money in the account too
  • [01:30:02] <agmlego> I still do not understand what issue you are having with it.
  • [01:30:17] <ds2> agmlego: are you a US user?
  • [01:30:23] <thurbad> I use a cc only, but I had a defunct bank account linked several years ago
  • [01:30:37] <agmlego> ds2: Yup.
  • [01:30:54] <ds2> agmlego: and you never game them a bank account, ever?
  • [01:31:09] <agmlego> ds2: For many years, yes.
  • [01:31:15] <agmlego> Without any issues at all.
  • [01:31:23] <ds2> *shrug*
  • [01:31:55] <ds2> agmlego: maybe you got grandfathered in or something
  • [01:31:58] <thurbad> paypal had some major "issues" when it was first getting started
  • [01:32:14] <thurbad> like trying to lock people out and keep their money
  • [01:32:14] <ds2> I'd be okay if all they wanted was CC details. but that wasn't the case
  • [01:32:53] <thurbad> but I haven't heard of any confirmed cases of them doing that for many years now
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  • [01:33:18] <Russ> thurbad, or asking people to destroy works of art
  • [01:33:22] <agmlego> ds2: No idea. I know my roommate has only had her account for a year or two, and only has CC details in it.
  • [01:33:41] <agmlego> She does not actually have a bank account.
  • [01:33:52] <Russ> http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/04/paypal-shreds-ostensibly-rare-violin-because-it-cares/
  • [01:34:20] <ds2> agmlego: donno
  • [01:34:20] <agmlego> Russ: Yeah, that was a bad one. But it is a pretty isolated incident.
  • [01:34:25] <agmlego> ds2: Me either.
  • [01:34:31] <ds2> much rather not deal with them
  • [01:34:39] <agmlego> ds2: I suggest you contact them and figure out what the issue is.
  • [01:35:11] <ds2> agmlego: got better things to do. if a seller doesn't want to take a direct CC, easier to decline
  • [01:35:35] <agmlego> Because accepting bare credit cards is a difficult and somewhat expensive task for a small company/single person, like DorkbotPDX.
  • [01:36:02] <agmlego> PayPal (or DWOLLA, or Square, or...) are far easier and cheaper.
  • [01:36:23] <ds2> not really. they can have paypal accept it for them
  • [01:36:30] <ds2> some seller will allow that
  • [01:36:44] <ds2> be happy to pay extra for the fees
  • [01:37:18] <agmlego> You would be?
  • [01:37:26] <agmlego> Contact the seller directly and ask, then.
  • [01:37:30] <agmlego> Explain the situation.
  • [01:39:12] <ds2> 'k
  • [01:39:28] <ds2> anyways... for 2L boards, that isn't that great of a price
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  • [01:40:39] <agmlego> On the other hand, they are nice boards and have a pretty fast turnaround.
  • [01:41:32] <ds2> for 2L boards, there are places quoting 3.30/sq inch
  • [01:41:59] <agmlego> And what kind of turnaround time, and board quality?
  • [01:42:06] <ds2> 8D
  • [01:42:06] <agmlego> Also note that shipping is free.
  • [01:42:40] <ds2> dorkbot's page says $5 for shipping
  • [01:43:06] <agmlego> Eh?
  • [01:43:16] <ds2> anyways..back to chips and dogs ;)
  • [01:43:39] <ds2> agmlego: dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order... under Who's eligible
  • [01:43:54] <ds2> n/m
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  • [01:44:02] <ds2> that's international
  • [01:44:04] <agmlego> ds2: Only international shipping. You are a US customer (I assume, from what you said above), so shipping would be free.
  • [01:44:59] <ds2> in anycase, the 4L's is the one of interest. 2L has lots of folks
  • [01:45:15] <Russ> ds2, my 4 layer order went well
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  • [01:45:36] <ds2> Russ: how long did it take?
  • [01:46:04] <Russ> lets see, order went in apr 3
  • [01:46:19] <agmlego> ds2: Also, his board tolerances are smaller than a lot of places I have seen.
  • [01:46:35] <ds2> agmlego: you mean the 6/6 stuff?
  • [01:46:37] <Russ> and I think they came in sometime at the end of apr
  • [01:46:39] <agmlego> Yeah.
  • [01:46:48] <Russ> gold flashing too
  • [01:46:49] <agmlego> Most places I have looked at did 8/8 or 10.10
  • [01:46:54] <ds2> that's not too unusual
  • [01:47:02] <ds2> now if he did 4/4, he'd have me sold
  • [01:47:13] <agmlego> Russ: Most of the time. I have had a few boards come in with silver contacts, but they are usually gold.
  • [01:47:28] <agmlego> ds2: Ask him, he may run a finer board.
  • [01:47:31] <ds2> Russ: that's not bad
  • [01:47:35] <Russ> true true, the finish is subject to change
  • [01:48:02] <ds2> agmlego: *nod*
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  • [01:49:32] <KeatonT> compiling mysql for the bone takes for freaking ever!
  • [01:49:33] <KeatonT> lol
  • [01:52:59] <mranostay> er your compiling on the bone?
  • [01:53:06] <mranostay> *you're
  • [01:53:15] <KeatonT> Yea
  • [01:53:50] <KeatonT> I didn't want to bother with setting up a more powerful debian box to compile on it.
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  • [01:59:56] <KeatonT> Loving the bone so far.
  • [02:00:01] <KeatonT> Great little device.
  • [02:00:09] <KeatonT> Boots quicker than I expected.
  • [02:01:44] <KeatonT> Does anyone know if it is possible to change the pull-down resistors on certain pins to pulluos?
  • [02:01:48] <KeatonT> pullups?
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  • [03:05:05] <mranostay> and when he is going to short his board out
  • [03:08:00] * XorA wonders where he can buy a laptop with 4096G memory for using git
  • [03:09:38] <mranostay> wtf are you doing?
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  • [03:13:56] <mranostay> yo emeb_mac
  • [03:14:22] <emeb_mac> mranostay: dude!
  • [03:14:52] <mranostay> where is my car?
  • [03:16:19] <emeb_mac> dude/sweet/dude/sweet/etc
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  • [03:25:40] <ds2> hmmm
  • [03:26:32] <emeb_mac> what's snoo ds2?
  • [03:28:21] <ds2> light at the end of the tunnel sure looks like a train
  • [03:30:06] <ds2> emeb_mac: how's the WX in your neck of the woods?
  • [03:30:24] <emeb_mac> excessive heat advisory
  • [03:30:43] <emeb_mac> 105F in May - about a month early for that.
  • [03:30:47] <ds2> oh
  • [03:30:57] <ds2> that's what i thought
  • [03:31:09] <emeb_mac> 5 active wildfires in the state.
  • [03:31:22] <ds2> is that up along 17?
  • [03:32:11] <mranostay> yeah i can't deal with that kind of heat
  • [03:32:19] <emeb_mac> One of them - http://instagr.am/p/KlfStFpIF5/
  • [03:32:57] <emeb_mac> A couple up near Payson, another near Kingman and one down southeast
  • [03:32:58] <mranostay> 100F and 80%> humidity.. worst day of my life :)
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  • [03:33:45] <ds2> whoa... u are surrounded
  • [03:34:07] <emeb_mac> Yep - air's been pretty smoky in the PHX area.
  • [03:34:44] <ds2> hmmm
  • [03:35:56] <mranostay> get out the garden hose?
  • [03:36:06] <ds2> what burns out in the southeast part?
  • [03:36:11] <ds2> isn't that bare dirt?
  • [03:36:31] <XorA> mranostay: gitk is OOMing on my 6G memory, I figure git gurus dont care about RAM and are all super rich :-D
  • [03:36:57] <emeb_mac> actually not - higher altitude there's a lot of pinon & grass, ponderosa, etc as you go higher.
  • [03:36:58] <mranostay> i ain't rich for sure
  • [03:37:00] <ds2> XorA: what repo?
  • [03:37:13] <ds2> oh
  • [03:37:24] <ds2> so this is stuff off of 60?
  • [03:37:24] <XorA> ds2: linux-next
  • [03:37:49] <ds2> XorA: you could reduce the size of the repo
  • [03:38:03] <ds2> prune or depth or something like that when cloning
  • [03:39:04] * XorA would prefer those with 1337 coding skillz learned about memory management :-)
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  • [04:28:18] <KeatonT> sweetness
  • [04:28:26] <KeatonT> mysql and lighthttpd installed.
  • [04:28:37] <KeatonT> Already imported my existing alarm logs.
  • [04:29:05] <KeatonT> Now all I need to do is get the python code completed and hook the thing up :)
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  • [04:46:18] <jay6981> 90s flashback
  • [04:51:39] <KeatonT> ?
  • [04:52:08] <jay6981> i haven't heard anyone say sweetness since the 90s
  • [04:52:45] <KeatonT> lol I guess I'm old school.
  • [04:52:59] <KeatonT> and I'm really not that old :/
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  • [04:53:22] <jay6981> it's probably hip again
  • [04:53:31] <KeatonT> I suppose.
  • [04:53:57] <jay6981> everything old will be new again
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  • [04:54:09] <KeatonT> the bone wasn't really made for multitasking. It can be painfully slow when trying to install something.
  • [04:54:31] <jay6981> i think the memory bus sucks
  • [04:55:29] <KeatonT> RAM or from the SD card?
  • [04:55:38] <KeatonT> I'm sure the SD card is slow.
  • [04:55:48] <jay6981> both
  • [04:57:00] <KeatonT> Well not like I'm going to be installing updates while accessing the webpage it's hosting at the same time frequently.
  • [04:57:00] <KeatonT> :P
  • [04:57:11] <jay6981> is the ethernet bus any good?
  • [04:57:19] <KeatonT> Seems pretty quick
  • [04:57:31] <jay6981> try doing an nfsroot
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  • [04:57:42] <KeatonT> I will once updates finish.
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  • [04:58:08] <KeatonT> what is nfsroot anyways?
  • [04:58:28] <jay6981> root filesystem over nfs
  • [04:59:03] <KeatonT> I can run iperf
  • [04:59:04] <KeatonT> :P
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  • [05:19:08] <KeatonT> this command should have a disclaimer
  • [05:19:08] <KeatonT> opgk -V2 upgrade
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  • [05:19:20] <KeatonT> "Might take the rest of the year."
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  • [05:25:33] <dfrey> Hi. I just ordered my BeagleBone yesterday. I chose the BeagleBone because I need to make use of a lot of GPIO. Is there a common place for tutorials or manuals on how to configure the GPIO pins in Linux?
  • [05:25:49] <dfrey> I want to get an idea of what I need to do before my board arrives.
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  • [05:29:14] <KeatonT> Be prepared for a lot of headaches.
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  • [05:29:48] <KeatonT> dfrey I'd start off reading the beaglebone manual
  • [05:30:00] <trelane> read... the manual!??!
  • [05:30:06] <KeatonT> http://beagleboard.org/static/BONESRM_latest.pdf
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  • [05:30:22] <KeatonT> trelane it give you a good idea of what the system names the damn pins.
  • [05:30:50] <KeatonT> because symbolic names would've been too easy.
  • [05:31:13] <trelane> ooh that's easy, the analog pins are on P9, and are 1.8v, the GPIO's are all over but to calculate them there's 3 chips and it's GPIOchip_pin so pin 0_7 is gpio7 in /sys
  • [05:32:31] <trelane> REALLY important is the 1.8v line on P9, that is going to save your ass
  • [05:32:45] <KeatonT> ?
  • [05:33:11] <trelane> KeatonT, lets you power MOST devices you're going to read with an analog pin without a voltage divider
  • [05:33:21] <KeatonT> ah nice.
  • [05:36:24] <KeatonT> I'm still new to all this stuff.
  • [05:36:37] <KeatonT> using the bone for a custom home alarm system.
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  • [05:38:52] <KeatonT> My main focus is the GPIO pins with pulldowns.
  • [05:38:56] <KeatonT> Seems to be plenty.
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  • [06:50:12] <koen> jkridner: I like the new terseness of the readme
  • [06:50:21] <jkridner> great!
  • [06:50:44] <jkridner> I looked over the shoulder of many people and I noticed it was just too long for them to notice anything important...
  • [06:51:09] <jkridner> so, i thought I'd get it down to the bare minimum of things that you better know before you ask.
  • [06:51:58] <_av500_> let me guess, one line saying: "try and find out"
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  • [07:04:33] <Guest27921> is it possible to boot beagle board if mmc port is not working?
  • [07:07:50] <_av500_> serial or usb boot
  • [07:07:54] <_av500_> its all in the manual
  • [07:08:01] <emeb_mac> or nand?
  • [07:08:41] <_av500_> on select beagles
  • [07:09:02] <Guest27921> i have C3
  • [07:09:13] * emeb_mac only has c2/c4 beagles...
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  • [07:12:37] <_av500_> well, you can also boot it via jtag
  • [07:12:45] <_av500_> and cosmic radiation
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  • [07:26:47] <Guest27921> so on C3, cant i boot if mmc port is gone bad?
  • [07:27:09] <_av500_> it depends on whether you can read
  • [07:27:23] <_av500_> preferably what I wrote a few lines above
  • [07:27:26] <Guest27921> read which manual?
  • [07:28:33] <Guest27921> i browsed and in all the links, they are talking about reading from mmc and writing to nand, but for me mmc is not working
  • [07:28:53] <Guest27921> can you please tell which manual exactly?
  • [07:29:17] <_av500_> omap3 technical referrence manual
  • [07:30:00] <_av500_> https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=omap3+boot+from+usb
  • [07:30:31] <_av500_> so please spare us the ignorance
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  • [07:43:30] <Guest27921> i found x-loader-usb for usb boot..is this the only file that differ from what i copy in mmc?
  • [07:43:55] <_av500_> you said your mmc does not work
  • [07:44:14] <_av500_> so you dont copy anything to mmc
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  • [07:45:38] * tasslehoff translates to "from what I used when I tried to boot from mmc"
  • [07:46:25] <Guest27921> sorry i mean copying those files in USB, not in mmc
  • [07:47:22] <Guest27921> what i meant by differs from mmc files is i assume i need x-loader-usb, u-boot.bin, uImage and rootfs on USB for USB booting
  • [07:47:29] <_av500_> no
  • [07:47:35] <_av500_> its not boot from usb-stick
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  • [07:54:48] <Guest27921> oh..ok
  • [07:55:14] <Guest27921> is this about usb OTG to ethernet boot up?
  • [07:57:50] <_av500_> its what is called "peripheral boot"
  • [07:57:59] <_av500_> where you provide the boot code over serial or usb
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  • [08:16:02] <EK_> Currently I rebuild the kernel uImage, add some kernel configuration see below list USB Support ---> Remove "USB Mass Storage support" Add "USB Gadget Support --> USB Gadget Drivers (HID Gadget)" Then make the kernel, but get below error message scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h make[1]: `include/generated/mach-typ
  • [08:16:20] <_av500_> pastebin
  • [08:16:43] <EK_> http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/sitara_arm174_microprocessors/f/791/t/167057.aspx
  • [08:16:49] <EK_> i got the same issue
  • [08:17:13] <EK_> USB Gadget Drivers (HID Gadget)
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  • [08:19:38] <EK_> does anyone have solution?_?
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  • [08:42:12] <koen> the guy quit already, but for the record: angstrom has those gadgets enabled already
  • [08:42:36] <koen> then again, posting to e2e is pretty much the same as asking for "exact steps"
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  • [08:55:49] <Guest27921> using pserial i can get u-boot.bin from host pc..how do i need to get mlo, kernel and rootfs?
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  • [09:14:33] <koen> u-boot.bin, who still uses that?
  • [09:14:45] <koen> the world moved to u-boot.img on TI chips a long time ago
  • [09:15:19] <Guest27921> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery#USB_recovery i am trying with UART recovery in this link..is that with using OE?
  • [09:16:34] <Guest27921> booting from the mmc on beagle board, all the links discuss mlo, u-boot.bin, uImage, root fs..and they are working, so got the habit of u-boot.bin a bit..
  • [09:17:01] <Guest27921> can you please tell me if UART recovery in the above link, has worked for any one?
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  • [09:19:16] <KeatonT> anyone want to help me figure out why I'm getting this
  • [09:19:44] <KeatonT> Unknown package 'php'.
  • [09:19:44] <KeatonT> Unknown package 'php-cgi'.
  • [09:19:44] <KeatonT> Unknown package 'php-cli'.
  • [09:19:59] <KeatonT> when doing: opkg -V2 install php php-cgi php-cli
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  • [09:25:13] <_av500_> Guest27921: yes, it works
  • [09:25:23] <_av500_> you can use usb aor serial to "boot"
  • [09:25:50] <_av500_> it does not mean you have a root file system mounted via usb or serial
  • [09:25:55] <_av500_> just boot from mmc and be done
  • [09:26:45] <Guest27921> ok thank you..i have started UART recovery..mmc card is not getting detected on board, though it works perfectly fine on pc, so suspecting the mmc port and that is the reason why looking out for other ways of booting without using mmc, as it's not working
  • [09:27:05] <_av500_> then buy a new board
  • [09:28:07] <Guest27921> i will try first with other ways of booting, otherwise i will buy new one..after u-boot gets loaded by following above link, how can i get uImage and rootfs system files on board?
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  • [09:29:10] <_av500_> you could push the kernel over usb as well
  • [09:29:15] <_av500_> if uboot supports that
  • [09:29:23] <_av500_> since you have no mmc, you have no mass storage
  • [09:29:32] <_av500_> unless you attach a usb hdd
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  • [09:29:40] <_av500_> and boot kernel and rootfs from there
  • [09:29:43] <_av500_> many options
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  • [09:30:07] <Guest27921> ok
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  • [09:32:55] <KeatonT> :(
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  • [09:52:26] <MI_> Hi
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  • [09:53:08] <Guest26781> i am sure yesterday it was possible to build a beaglebone image using narcissus. Today beaglebone is not in the dropdown anymore. does anyone know why?
  • [09:54:46] <jannau> Guest26781: look again, it's there for me
  • [09:55:30] <Guest26781> for me its only beagleboard not beaglebone
  • [09:56:08] <jannau> reload
  • [09:56:46] <jannau> http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/
  • [09:57:49] <Guest26781> sorry. no. it only shows beagleboard not beagleBONE
  • [09:58:13] <jannau> what come after beagleboard?
  • [09:58:28] <Guest26781> bug20
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  • [10:00:11] <Guest26781> ... atngw100 - beagleboard - bug20 ...
  • [10:01:29] <jannau> has http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/machine-list.html beaglebone for you?
  • [10:03:30] <Guest26781> i tried it in a virtual linux machine. it shows beaglebone. on my windows 7 firefox it does not show beaglebone :-) i do not have any explenation for that
  • [10:03:58] <Guest26781> using your link it shows beaglebone
  • [10:03:59] <jannau> blame windows
  • [10:04:15] <jannau> seriously though I suspect bad caches
  • [10:04:45] <LetoThe2nd> always blame windows, you will be wrong only in very rare cases.
  • [10:06:13] <Guest26781> i have no explenation for that, but anyway thanx
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  • [10:22:56] <sp00k> hi!
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  • [10:23:18] <sp00k> is there possibility to force bitbake to refetch a specific package?
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  • [10:26:28] <sp00k> my system crashed in the middle of the download of the webkit-package and now I have some 0 bytes files...
  • [10:26:49] <koen> rm the 0 bytes files
  • [10:27:08] <koen> and/or -c cleanall the affected recipes
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  • [10:27:55] <sp00k> thanks, I'm gonna try this!
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  • [11:09:25] <ant_work> koen: about Narcissus, how would you best add ubifs support to the Z family? Each member of the family has different nand size/layout but finally kernel knows about 6 machines. I was thinking I could set the MKUBIFS & UBINIZE ARGS in the 'real' machine.conf which then includes one of the existing $machines...better ideas?
  • [11:11:09] <koen> ant_work: each narcissus machine has a conf file for ubi params
  • [11:11:24] <ant_work> yes, but eg. spitz groups 3 different cases
  • [11:11:29] <koen> (which is created by grepping the OE machine config)
  • [11:12:17] <koen> ant_work: narcissus machines are free form, you can make 20 that use c7x0 configs for the feeds and different ubi configs
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  • [11:17:44] <ant_work> ah, ok, in Narcissus. For the kernel, it has hardcoded mtdparts (which could be wrong) but this param is passed by kexecboot afterall so this all should work...
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  • [11:31:14] <sp00k> does the usb-gadget in the demo image on http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ work?
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  • [11:31:56] <sp00k> I get a kernel panic when I attach an usb-cable (with or without external DC)
  • [11:34:13] <sp00k> (the same as described here: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=398968509361 but the "fix" did not work for me)
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  • [11:41:42] <thomas_fogh> I've created two small device and driver modules to test my LCD. I've based the device module on code from board-am335xevm.c and devices.c and modified the names in da8xx-fb.c to make a new driver module. When the fb_probe function in the driver is executed it fail to get the device clock. Any idea what I'm missing?
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  • [12:08:12] <niro> does anyone know what log-structured means?
  • [12:08:38] <mru> as in filesystems?
  • [12:08:45] <niro> yes
  • [12:09:25] <mru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-structured_file_system
  • [12:12:27] <niro> I've read that, and it's still not going in
  • [12:12:56] <_av500_> use a power drill
  • [12:15:18] <thomas_fogh> Anyone able to help? Also see: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/-8-C7nuYv6E
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  • [12:21:13] <niro> thomas_fogh, you getting any clock errors on boot?
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  • [12:23:24] <thomas_fogh> @niro: How do check this? Using dmesg or do I need to setup a serial connect (just using a telnet connection now)
  • [12:23:39] <niro> dmesg |grep rtc
  • [12:23:50] <_av500_> rtc?
  • [12:24:02] <_av500_> not that clock
  • [12:24:35] <thomas_fogh> @nira: Seems ok: [ 2.697514] omap_rtc omap_rtc: rtc core: registered omap_rtc as rtc0 [ 2.897913] omap_rtc omap_rtc: setting system clock to 2000-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (946684800)
  • [12:24:46] <Crofton|work> we need a channel dunce cap
  • [12:25:00] <niro> lol
  • [12:25:18] <niro> If you guys know, why aren't you helping?
  • [12:25:19] <Crofton|work> this weeks award goes to someone who posted to a bunch of lists with a bad address :)
  • [12:28:20] <thomas_fogh> @Crofton|work: Is this working? http://www.all-acronyms.com/cat/9/ANUSS/Arrogant_Nerd_Uttering_Stupid_Stuff/1224734
  • [12:30:33] <Crofton|work> no,
  • [12:30:51] <koen> jkridner: ping
  • [12:30:57] <jkridner> pong
  • [12:31:10] <Crofton|work> http://compare.ebay.com/like/320838535274?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
  • [12:31:31] <koen> jkridner: I'm having trouble with settimeout
  • [12:31:48] <jkridner> pastebin it?
  • [12:32:21] <koen> jkridner: http://pastebin.com/TybjdGMM
  • [12:32:57] <koen> jkridner: I get the 3 readings right after each other and them a delay corresponding to settimeout
  • [12:32:59] <jkridner> I don't know if you've seen client.js yet, but I'm just getting started with building up a client-side api.
  • [12:33:23] <jkridner> I currently just have a pattern for setting messages and adding sequence numbers.
  • [12:33:45] <jkridner> I'll eventually support the full function calls, but requiring callbacks (synchronous mode wouldn't be supported).
  • [12:33:56] <koen> I just need an average of 3 readings and put the result in a global var
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  • [12:35:07] <koen> jkridner: http://pastebin.com/t9EKz2K1
  • [12:35:10] <jkridner> I think you'd have to do something like http://pastebin.com/EAB9P3s0
  • [12:35:49] <jkridner> I don't think you are doing what you want with 'readWeather(n)', since setTimeout wants a function, not what is returned by a function.
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  • [12:52:15] <koen> jkridner: I have it working now, thanks
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  • [12:57:51] <koen> jkridner: dialed in?
  • [12:57:58] <jkridner> on previous call
  • [12:58:27] <koen> ah, the sub-par tick call
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  • [13:15:18] <strata> cool. adafruit protoboard for bone is way better than i thought
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  • [14:00:36] <Guest22813> Hi all, http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/SerialBoot/, in this./pserial -p /dev/ttyS0 -f x-load.bin
  • [14:00:37] <Guest22813> Waiting For Device ASIC ID: Press Ctrl+C to stop it hangs after this...what do i need to check for this? if i give other tty s it's giving errors, so this might be the correct tty port i am guessing
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  • [14:06:11] <Guest22813> can anyone guide me on this hanging infinitely, if you had done this before? thanks.
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  • [14:06:44] <dm8tbr> Guest22813: what are you trying to do there?
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  • [14:07:31] <Guest22813> mmc slot on my beagle board C3 seem to have gone bad, so trying to do serial boot up for xload and u-boot
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  • [14:08:25] <dm8tbr> Guest22813: and you have verified that SYSBOOT is set correctly?
  • [14:08:34] <Guest22813> according to the link, i should have actually get "ASIC ID Detected." printed and it should load the file
  • [14:09:29] <Guest22813> no i do not know about SYSBOOT. what does it need to be set to? SYSBOOT of the host pc? on board i do not get any prompt
  • [14:10:10] <_av500_> Guest22813: ttyS0 is you have a real serial on your PC
  • [14:10:18] <_av500_> if you have usb2serial more like ttyUSB0
  • [14:10:40] <_av500_> connect a terminal and try to see if you get "40W" or something similar
  • [14:10:47] <dm8tbr> _av500_: happen to know the default sysboot config?
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  • [14:11:02] <_av500_> dm8tbr: serial boot should work
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  • [14:11:04] <Guest22813> i tried with ttyUSB0 also, then 2nd try i tried with ttyS0..yes i have USB to serial and not exactly serial
  • [14:11:11] <_av500_> if nothing in nand and no sdcard
  • [14:11:23] <_av500_> then ttyUSB0
  • [14:11:41] <dm8tbr> or check dmesg for proper device node
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  • [14:11:48] <Guest22813> no sd card..how can i ensure nothing in nand? i can not do nand erase now right?
  • [14:11:56] <dm8tbr> or 'ls /dev/ttyUSB*'
  • [14:12:16] <Guest22813> _av500_, yes i get 40V and some characters printed in minicom
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  • [14:12:56] <aholler> 40v is too much
  • [14:13:05] <Guest22813> ok yes it's ttyUSB0..what is sysboot and what is it supposed to be updated with?
  • [14:13:24] <dm8tbr> aholler: I think that's the output on minicom, no tthe voltage. at least I hope so
  • [14:13:35] <Guest22813> aholler, oh..i alwasy saw 40V on my beagle board before also many a time..
  • [14:13:50] <Guest22813> dm8tbr, yes it is the output i see on minicom
  • [14:14:40] <dm8tbr> Guest22813: well close minicom and run that command you mentioned then
  • [14:14:45] <_av500_> Guest22813: sysboot is fine
  • [14:14:49] <_av500_> you get 40V
  • [14:14:59] <_av500_> run the command and reboot
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  • [14:15:20] <Guest22813> ok
  • [14:16:37] <Guest22813> _av500_, you mean run the command and reboot while it is waiting for ASIC ID?
  • [14:16:57] <Guest22813> yes it worked
  • [14:17:23] <_av500_> yes, it's called serial "boot"
  • [14:17:59] <Guest22813> If you already have an x-loader in NAND, you must push the User Button so that the NAND boot is tried after the UART boot, then power-on the board. from this i thought i need to reset only for nand booting
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  • [14:18:38] <sp00k> I'm trying to get ethernet over usb working. I see there is a module g_ether.ko that should be loaded... is there a way to automate this?
  • [14:18:45] <Guest22813> next statement is "If you don't have one, simply power-on the board." so i was trying this, as i did not want nand booting but it meant if nand is present, i think
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  • [14:19:13] <_av500_> if in doubt, try it out...
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  • [14:19:35] <Crofton|work> anyone used ds5+gator to look at the perf counters on a beagle?
  • [14:20:11] <Guest22813> ok. does this command "./ukermit -p /dev/ttyS0 -f u-boot.bin" take some time?
  • [14:20:33] <_av500_> yes, if you are on ttyUSB
  • [14:20:36] <_av500_> then it takes forever
  • [14:22:23] <Guest22813> i corrected that..USB0 is also taking time..
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  • [14:25:14] <Guest22813> ./ukermit -p /dev/ttyUSB0 -f u-boot.bin Failed after 4 retries in sequence 0 - success send = 0 bytes Data transmit failed what did i do wrong over here? seems correct
  • [14:25:55] <Guest22813> if i reset or remove and power on after the command i am getting this error, otherwise command running forever..any idea?
  • [14:27:46] <Guest22813> how should the minicom be while running ukermit? minicom was closed when i ran pserial..does it need to be closed for ukermit or does minicom need to be running?
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  • [14:29:37] <_av500_> closed
  • [14:30:29] <_av500_> you could try thus uart-monitor thing
  • [14:31:07] <Guest22813> ok..which is uart-monitor thing?
  • [14:31:12] <_av500_> Guest22813: also, why x-load.bin?
  • [14:31:21] <_av500_> doesnt the link you gave say s-load.bin?
  • [14:31:29] <_av500_> 16:31 < Guest22813 > ok..which is uart-monitor thing?
  • [14:31:29] <Guest22813> that link has..so i am just following it
  • [14:31:43] <_av500_> Guest22813: again, please learn to read
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  • [14:31:52] <_av500_> you paste links and you have not even read them
  • [14:32:13] <Guest22813> ./pserial -p /dev/ttyS0 -f x-load.bin, it is x-load.bin from the link
  • [14:32:51] <Guest22813> i read the link, i am doing UART recovery no w
  • [14:33:44] <_av500_> this link: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/SerialBoot/
  • [14:33:52] <_av500_> 1) it says s-load.bin
  • [14:33:59] <_av500_> 2) it mentions uart-monitor
  • [14:34:49] <Guest22813> ok..i was following different link actually..i will try with this link, as from the link i saw ukermit is hanging
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  • [14:38:33] <sp00k> koen: how can I autoload the g_ether module?
  • [14:38:55] <mru> building it into the kernel is one way
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  • [14:39:30] <sp00k> and in a built kernel?
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  • [14:41:11] <_av500_> load it from rc.local
  • [14:43:40] <Guest22813> _av500_, ukermit command from the lik you sent is progressing, did not hang..thanks
  • [14:43:57] <sp00k> i have only /etc/init.d/rc
  • [14:44:11] <_av500_> Guest22813: I did not send any link
  • [14:44:17] <_av500_> it was the link you gave
  • [14:44:34] <_av500_> for me to read to you it seems
  • [14:44:58] <Guest22813> no..i was following other link
  • [14:45:06] <_av500_> whatever
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  • [14:45:49] <mru> _av500_: what, didn't you give him exact steps?
  • [14:47:13] <_av500_> mru: no this time, I was given a link with exact steps which I then just had to read aloud
  • [14:47:56] <mru> we could probably set up a bot for that
  • [14:50:32] <Guest22813> i am sorry for troubling you all, but they are different links, and one not working and other working.
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  • [15:40:02] <koen> 400mAh@3.7V is already powering a beaglebone for 33 minutes
  • [15:40:03] <koen> neat
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  • [16:10:51] <koen> 64 minutes already
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  • [16:33:33] <jodred> hello
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  • [16:33:41] <mranostay> koen: 64 minutes?
  • [16:33:45] <jodred> i have a problem with my beagleboard xm
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  • [16:33:55] <mranostay> ah battery i see
  • [16:34:07] <jodred> can someone help me
  • [16:34:08] <mranostay> are we have a netsplityday?
  • [16:34:26] <mranostay> don't ask to ask
  • [16:34:39] <jodred> ok sry
  • [16:34:47] <mranostay> jkridner: can we pop that in the topic? :)
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  • [16:35:12] <jodred> the problem is that i cant make the beagleboard boot on my ubuntu computer
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  • [16:35:55] <mranostay> er ok
  • [16:36:00] * ChanServ sets mode +o jkridner
  • [16:36:19] <jodred> but my ubuntu can detec its usb device and can read the files in it
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  • [16:37:36] <jodred> can some one help me plsss.
  • [16:37:39] <mranostay> jkridner: i was referencing 'don't ask to ask'... :)
  • [16:37:51] <mranostay> jodred: ah you mean serial?
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  • [16:38:18] <jkridner> Please read http://beagleboard.org/chat for a guide on how to ask questions | don't ask to ask | be patient
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  • [16:38:41] <jodred> i can view its folders and files int it
  • [16:38:48] <jodred> but i dont know hot to make it boot
  • [16:38:51] <jodred> in my computer
  • [16:39:17] <prpplague> jkridner: might add IRC Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ircsurvivalguide
  • [16:39:32] <jkridner> not http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ?
  • [16:39:55] <prpplague> jkridner: that one is good too
  • [16:40:06] <jkridner> I'm going to link them on http://beagleboard.org/chat
  • [16:40:16] <prpplague> jkridner: okie dokie
  • [16:40:28] <jkridner> I think yours is already linked there.
  • [16:40:39] <jodred> mranostay: do you know how to make it boot on ubuntu?
  • [16:41:14] <fierman> hrmm.. serial connection to bb locks upon remote input
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  • [16:42:53] <jodred> mranostay: ah yea its the serial
  • [16:43:05] <jodred> mranostay: can you help me about this
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  • [16:44:16] <mranostay> have you read the minicom howto?
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  • [16:44:51] <jkridner> hope the topic change helps some.
  • [16:45:05] <mranostay> jkridner: kinda like "Nice weather we are having" nobody cares about the weather :)
  • [16:45:25] <mru> mranostay: at least not geeks who spend all time indoors
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  • [16:45:37] <mru> btw, the sun is shining
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  • [16:45:59] <mru> I may have to move the laptop to see the screen
  • [16:46:08] <arcanescu> antiglare
  • [16:46:09] <arcanescu> ty
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  • [16:46:21] <mranostay> mru: don't have all the blinds pulled?
  • [16:46:21] <mru> it's not the glare that's the problem
  • [16:46:30] <mru> blinds are only half-closed
  • [16:46:33] <arcanescu> hmmm then what is?
  • [16:46:41] <jkridner> jodred: when you say "boot on ubuntu", are you talking about "how do I make it run ubuntu" or "how do I use it with my ubuntu machine"?
  • [16:46:41] <mranostay> aren't trolls allergic to daylight?
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  • [16:46:54] <mru> arcanescu: sunlight on most monitors makes them hard to read
  • [16:47:00] <mru> unless they are transreflective
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  • [16:47:31] <arcanescu> hmmmm.... I have the same issue....
  • [16:47:38] <arcanescu> its with a alienware laptop
  • [16:47:55] <arcanescu> m14x .... and the antiglare kinda helped.... if you are unaware the m14x screen is a mirror
  • [16:47:59] <mru> I have an ips desktop monitor that is perfectly legible in direct sunlight
  • [16:48:10] <mru> this screen is not all that glossy
  • [16:48:52] <arcanescu> ah.... i always thought it was the glare... (atleast for m14)
  • [16:49:04] <arcanescu> i like the kindle screen
  • [16:49:11] <mru> that's e-ink
  • [16:49:15] <mru> totally different
  • [16:49:25] <mru> it's designed to use ambient light
  • [16:49:35] <arcanescu> yup.... but amazing to read in the sun :]
  • [16:49:56] <mru> sun = lots of ambient light
  • [16:50:24] <arcanescu> hmmm
  • [16:50:25] <mru> in a regular lcd/tft, the backlight has to compete with the ambient light
  • [16:50:38] <mru> and it's not bright enough to overpower the sun
  • [16:51:21] <arcanescu> oh well i think its nature telling you to get off your lazy ass
  • [16:51:33] <movax> yeah, matte/AG monitors are readable (somewhat) in direct light
  • [16:51:47] <movax> contrast the U2711 to the Apple Cinema Display...same exact panel, but one has copious amounts of AG coating applied
  • [16:52:02] * movax is a huge fan of matte displays
  • [16:52:15] <movax> even if apple charged me an extra $150 for the privilege on my MBP
  • [16:52:17] <arcanescu> i thought kindle had a matte display
  • [16:52:23] <arcanescu> but e-ink ... hmmm
  • [16:52:28] <movax> it is matte, but it's also e-ink
  • [16:52:32] <smplman> translucent...
  • [16:52:35] <movax> i guess you could glass-coat an e-ink display? no idea
  • [16:52:49] <mru> you can slap a piece of glass in front of anything
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  • [16:53:33] <movax> though now that i think about it, i haven't used my kindle touch in a long while =/
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  • [16:58:05] <_av500_> mru: just wear glasses :)
  • [16:58:29] <mru> my glasses have anti-glare coating
  • [16:58:54] <mru> totally worth the slight extra cost
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  • [16:59:25] <_av500_> super spectra coating ftw
  • [16:59:34] <mru> no idea what the coating is
  • [16:59:36] <mru> but it works
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  • [17:22:37] <smplman> anyone here like the game portal?
  • [17:22:40] <smplman> http://www.zdnet.com.au/portal-turret-comes-alive-in-robot-project-339337888.htm?fb_ref=fb
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  • [17:42:45] <fierman> hello. I built an image through narcissus, using the unstable kernel, added a few packages, and downloaded the tarball.
  • [17:43:13] <fierman> installed it on an sdcard, as usual. but the bb won;t boot from it.
  • [17:43:43] <fierman> leds do not blink up, also no output on serial console. just a '60' on reset or powercycle
  • [17:43:57] <fierman> Is this the expected behaviour
  • [17:43:58] <fierman> ?
  • [17:45:05] <rcn-ee> fierman, that's the expected behavor if you didn't correctly create the boot partition..
  • [17:46:02] <fierman> rcn-ee: I am 100% sure I set up the boot partition correct. set bootable flag, correct geometry, and correct fs (vfat)
  • [17:46:19] <rcn-ee> but... it's show '60' which means it didn't find the MLO
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  • [17:47:35] <fierman> rcn-ee: ok.. and W95 FAT32 _is_ the correct FS for any boot partition, on any version, right
  • [17:47:39] <fierman> ?
  • [17:47:54] <rcn-ee> i usually do fat16, but fat32 should also work
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  • [17:48:40] <fierman> then I really don;t understand why it cannot find MLO
  • [17:48:50] <rcn-ee> you can ignore the geomtry, that's long since been fixed.. i usally use fdisk like: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Partition_SD_Card
  • [17:49:25] <djlewis> is the mkcard util still valid?
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  • [17:49:43] <rcn-ee> probally, if it still works, why fix it. ;)
  • [17:51:04] <fierman> rcn-ee: I used fdisk, other than that, no real difference
  • [17:51:38] <rcn-ee> i'd say try again, just make sure MLO is the first thing you actually copy to the sd card...
  • [17:51:55] <fierman> yeah, i did that
  • [17:52:13] <fierman> the thing is, just using the default basic simple setup from narcissus works fine
  • [17:52:20] <fierman> on the same card, same method
  • [17:52:40] <fierman> but as soon as i try to build an image with packages added or any other options, it fails to boot
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  • [18:09:32] <serekson> if I build MLO, uboot, and the kernel from source using code sourcery, where do I get the rootfs?
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  • [18:12:02] <mranostay> magic
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  • [18:12:24] <serekson> apparently I don't know that spell :(
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  • [18:14:54] <koen> serekson: the actual question is "if I build it with a prebuilt CSL toolchain, how can I get it to boot?"
  • [18:15:10] <koen> serekson: prebuilt codesourcery is crap
  • [18:15:18] <koen> switch to angstrom or linaro toolchains
  • [18:15:23] <jkridner> koen: do you have a kernel I can use to test out analogWrite(), ie. one with /sys/class/pwm populated?
  • [18:16:05] <KeatonT> hmm I need to figure out a way to play pitches via the beaglebone.
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  • [18:16:42] <jkridner> KeatonT: as in, musical notes? use a USB audio adapter supported by Linux.
  • [18:16:44] <koen> jkridner: opkg update ; opkg install kernel-image-3.2.16 on the 5.09
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  • [18:16:55] <KeatonT> jkridner yea just simple music notes.
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  • [18:17:18] <KeatonT> Not really looking for anything more than just two tones.
  • [18:17:21] <jkridner> you could use PWM for simple tones.
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  • [18:17:59] <KeatonT> Yea I was thinking about building a simple tone library that the arduino has.
  • [18:18:09] <jkridner> lots of debugging happening recently on connecting capes with audio codes, but I don't know the status.
  • [18:18:17] <koen> jkridner: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/uImage-3.2-r11i+gitr720e07b4c1f687b61b147b31c698cb6816d72f01-beaglebone-20120515075805.bin
  • [18:18:39] <jkridner> koen: I'm downloading using opkg now on the 5.09 image.
  • [18:19:22] <jkridner> KeatonT: I'm in the process of trying to add analogWrite() to the bonescript now. I'll need to look how tone() is done.
  • [18:19:46] <KeatonT> ah okay cool.
  • [18:20:20] <jkridner> I'm not sure why there isn't just one analogWrite() that includes frequency as an argument.
  • [18:20:28] <serekson> koen: I actually used rcn-ee's stable-kernel process for the kernel and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#X-Loader for MLO and u-boot. I think I used used code sourcery as a cross-compiler
  • [18:21:37] * fierman is getting frustrated.. working since saturday getting any other image but the default to boot, and they all fail. used about 5 different SD cards now too. in every combination. The only thing that works is the old default image
  • [18:21:51] <fierman> please help me
  • [18:23:15] <jkridner> fierman: are you downloading and writing full SD card images? what OS and application are you using? rather than just saying "please help me", why not read the advice linked in the topic and say what you are trying to actually do and what you are seeing?
  • [18:23:40] <fierman> jkridner: i explained here 30 minutes ago already :)
  • [18:24:05] <fierman> but i could paste what i wrotte
  • [18:24:25] <jkridner> I scrolled.
  • [18:24:59] <koen> scrolling, is that sarcastic LOL'ing?
  • [18:26:00] <jkridner> fierman: do you have serial logs or no?
  • [18:26:23] <jkridner> when I know I have a good MLO, but the bootloader doesn't seem to find it, I try writing it to the MBR (carefully).
  • [18:26:23] <fierman> jkridner: i am connected to serial. the only output I have there on powercycle is '60'
  • [18:26:29] <mru> serial lols
  • [18:27:30] <jkridner> http://markmail.org/message/2x7ib42nuqvefv3h#query:+page:1+mid:bqqi236yjqr4klun+state:results
  • [18:27:57] <jkridner> the two dd lines are my friends.
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  • [18:29:09] <jkridner> koen: no need to update modules?
  • [18:29:27] <koen> jkridner: practically, no
  • [18:29:30] <fierman> jkridner: might be worth a try,. thanks :)
  • [18:29:44] <koen> jkridner: that's why I left out the v3.2.17 update :)
  • [18:30:43] <jkridner> rebooting
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  • [18:34:09] <fierman> jkridner: that did not help at all actually. thanks for the effort though. The reason I am sure my card is properly formatted though is that with the default image, MLO _is_ found, and everything boots as expected
  • [18:34:35] <fierman> I can safely assume narcissus provides for a working setuptree, right ?
  • [18:35:21] <jkridner> koen: these LEDs on the bbtoys prototype cape are very difficult to tell variations in brightness
  • [18:35:47] <koen> jkridner: haven't used those yet
  • [18:35:56] <koen> jkridner: try a different resistor
  • [18:36:02] <aholler> fierman: the number of sectors have to be even
  • [18:36:13] <aholler> (of the fat)
  • [18:36:53] <jkridner> fierman: the order of things written to the directory matters tremendously on the beagleboard and beagleboard-xm
  • [18:37:05] <jkridner> beaglebone is a little less picky, but still fairly picky.
  • [18:37:06] <aholler> since when?
  • [18:37:29] <fierman> beagleboard-xm here
  • [18:37:45] <jkridner> aholler: the ROM has always been picky about the order the FAT directory is written...
  • [18:37:57] <jkridner> I've found that MLO needs to be the first directory entry and shouldn't be fragmented.
  • [18:38:30] <djlewis> i have seen windoze leave behind system files
  • [18:38:38] <djlewis> on sd cards
  • [18:39:09] <jonand> I have a beagleboard xm with a camera module on it. I just found the linux digital video sdk for dm3730 on ti.com. Any hints on the easiest way to run the video SDK demo programs on a beagleboard?
  • [18:39:23] <jstearns74> does anyone have any recommendations on what database program to use on the beaglebone to interface with node.js? I just found out that mongodb isn't available...
  • [18:40:03] <_av500_> dbase2
  • [18:40:31] <jkridner> jstearns74: I haven't tried with node.js, but sqlite, mysql and postgresql are all available in Angstrom.
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  • [18:41:20] <jkridner> I've done some projects in the past with sqlite where I was able to optimize to run well on a processor 1/10th the performance of that on the bone.
  • [18:41:32] <jstearns74> thanks. I will start my research now.
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  • [18:42:13] <jkridner> I used to be a mysql user, but I have found that postgresql has fewer surprises for me.
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  • [18:45:11] <mru> postgresql is generally more robust
  • [18:46:21] <smplman> nosql
  • [18:46:42] <mru> there are certainly cases where sql is not the best solution
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  • [18:48:07] <jstearns74> hummm... not exactly sure which direction I should go now :/ I hope to find examples of someone interfacing it with node to make my life easier.
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  • [18:48:30] <jay6981> mongodb has inline x86 asm
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  • [18:48:49] <mru> eeww
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  • [18:49:37] <mru> unconditional too, I bet
  • [18:49:38] <koen> jkridner: what are your thoughs on sqlite and rrd modules for bonescript?
  • [18:49:44] <koen> jkridner: for offline logging
  • [18:49:51] <jkridner> very helpful.
  • [18:50:25] <jkridner> I'd love to have a pure JSON db, but one of the sql's is probably what 90% of people need.
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  • [18:50:29] <jkridner> think panchube.
  • [18:50:50] <mru> wtf is a json db?
  • [18:51:23] <koen> the first name of krdner db
  • [18:51:34] <jkridner> just a document store that you can reference with hashes.
  • [18:51:55] <mru> do you mean an associative array?
  • [18:51:58] <jkridner> http://nosql-database.org/ promotes a bunch of them
  • [18:51:58] <mranostay> heh
  • [18:51:59] <jay6981> monogdb is that
  • [18:52:12] <jkridner> mru pretty much, but with some other methods for using them.
  • [18:52:14] <koen> jkridner: I looked at javascriptRRD, but all the coffeescript confused me
  • [18:52:19] <jannau> jkridner: http://www.postgresql.org/about/news/1395/ json is coming in PostgreSQL 9.2
  • [18:52:21] <koen> jkridner: for lossy logging rrd is ideal
  • [18:52:47] <koen> jkridner: but I must note that rrd access has insane IO patterns if it doesn't fit into memory
  • [18:52:50] <mru> rrd isn't what I call logging
  • [18:52:54] * jkridner leans a bit toward postgresql vs. sqlite based on my experiences of using both.
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  • [18:53:09] <mru> postgres on a bone?
  • [18:53:15] <koen> jkridner: sqlite requires little to no config
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  • [18:53:18] <jkridner> I'm not sure how postgresql scales down.
  • [18:53:24] <jkridner> true.
  • [18:53:31] <XMPPwocky> maybe couchdb :P
  • [18:53:55] <mru> I would not run any "real" db without a few GB of ram
  • [18:54:11] * jkridner looks at https://github.com/grumdrig/node-sqlite
  • [18:54:23] <koen> jkridner: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10718 gives 76 minutes on an idle bone fixed at 500MHz
  • [18:55:01] <koen> jkridner: with this one: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10300
  • [18:55:05] * mru dreads the day when the toaster refuses to operate due to a database error
  • [18:55:23] <koen> or the kettle
  • [18:55:39] <Russ> mru, we're half way there: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/81
  • [18:56:10] <mranostay> mru: dread? i can't wait till we kill ourselves with technology :)
  • [18:56:34] <jay6981> another one who just wants to watch the world burn
  • [18:56:35] <jkridner> koen: I'd look at what people are using in common panchube targeted apps.
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  • [18:58:38] <mru> jay6981: http://wondermark.com/c/2012-05-15-837fire.gif
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  • [19:00:58] <beagle-BOB> help I received a beaglebone in the mail yesterday. what is the best way to get help ???
  • [19:01:32] <_av500_> ask
  • [19:02:37] <jstearns74> jkrinder: thanks for your help. sqlite & node.js it is. I'll post my results.
  • [19:02:56] <mru> is this what they call embedded these days?
  • [19:02:57] * _av500_ likes txtfiledb
  • [19:03:04] * mru must fine some smaller devices
  • [19:03:11] <mru> _av500_: seen the fate "db"?
  • [19:03:19] <mru> all text files and symlinks
  • [19:03:30] <_av500_> csv ftw
  • [19:03:50] <mru> well, mine are : separated
  • [19:03:55] <beagle-BOB> ok, setenv bootdelay 10; saveenv => I get back erasing Nand... Attempt to erase non page aligned data
  • [19:04:08] <jannau> mru: still csv
  • [19:04:15] <mru> true
  • [19:04:38] <mru> although it's simple, it could be more space-efficient
  • [19:04:40] <_av500_> comma, colon, carbonite...
  • [19:05:11] <mru> carbonite is for encasing, not separating, no?
  • [19:05:42] <mru> unless you're referring to the explosive
  • [19:05:53] <_av500_> encase each record separately
  • [19:06:06] <_av500_> make sure you have no data mixup
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  • [19:12:22] <jkridner> koen: it seems the pwm pins aren't easily accessible as gpio. is that right?
  • [19:12:52] <jkridner> I might just need to look how to unallocate them to PWM. I'll try a bit more. sorry to bother.
  • [19:13:08] <koen> there are not muxed to pwm
  • [19:13:15] <koen> so muxing them to gpio should just work
  • [19:13:21] <jkridner> k.
  • [19:13:23] <_av500_> jk you are excused
  • [19:13:35] <_av500_> darn 2g
  • [19:13:58] <jkridner> I probably just allocated them using sysfs to pwm such that I can't get the gpio to export them.
  • [19:14:23] <koen> jkridner: gpio doesn't know about pwm
  • [19:15:09] <jkridner> root@beaglebone:/var/lib/cloud9# echo 50 > /sys/class/gpio/export
  • [19:15:09] <jkridner> -sh: echo: write error: Device or resource busy
  • [19:17:47] <koen> already exported or used for something else?
  • [19:18:01] <koen> jkridner: also notice that the 'direction' in debugfs is now correct
  • [19:20:26] <jkridner> wasn't already exported. only pwm was enabled for it.
  • [19:20:39] <koen> weird
  • [19:20:43] <jkridner> but, I thought that the two subsystems didn't really interact.
  • [19:20:55] <koen> that would imply the gpio export is more intelligent than I thought
  • [19:21:09] <koen> 2 is gpio1_18, right?
  • [19:21:35] <jkridner> 2?
  • [19:21:40] <jkridner> ehrwpm1a
  • [19:21:47] <jkridner> 2nd pwm, first channel
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  • [19:22:14] <koen> jkridner: dvi cape attached?
  • [19:22:24] <jannau> _av500_: have you already tried mosh? http://mosh.mit.edu
  • [19:22:32] <_av500_> no
  • [19:22:43] <koen> jkridner: gpio1_18 is an LED for a few capes (dvi, 3.5 lcd)
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  • [19:23:06] <koen> jkridner: kkeller's patches to bonescript should tell you that :)
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  • [19:23:17] <jkridner> hmmm... arduino returns 1024 (10-bit) for analogRead and bone returns 4196 (12-bit).
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  • [19:23:30] <jkridner> should I return a float scaled to 1024?
  • [19:23:34] <koen> hell no
  • [19:23:36] <jannau> _av500_: should be more fun over 2g than ssh
  • [19:24:03] * jkridner looks for pull requests.
  • [19:24:28] <koen> iirc you already pulled it in, no?
  • [19:24:38] <_av500_> i'm afraid of change
  • [19:24:39] <koen> it was at least discussed :)
  • [19:24:55] <kkeller> jkridner: if someone needs a 10bit value, they can use the map function - map(value,0,4096, 0, 1024);
  • [19:25:31] <jkridner> k. I suppose sketch compatibility is pretty far-fetched to being with.
  • [19:25:51] <jkridner> what should analogWrite take?
  • [19:25:52] <jannau> _av500_: enjoy your telnet then
  • [19:25:58] <_av500_> :)
  • [19:26:30] <kkeller> analogWrite is actually the PWM output
  • [19:27:37] <jkridner> kkeller: yes, that is what I'm working on.
  • [19:27:45] <kkeller> oh??? sorry...
  • [19:28:34] <jkridner> kkeller: did you notice that I changed analogRead to take in the pin structures as the argument, rather than ain indexes?
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  • [19:28:57] <jkridner> I think having the code show the pin #'s makes it easy to map physical to the code.
  • [19:28:58] <kkeller> noticed that??? That is better.
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  • [19:29:26] <kkeller> I wrote a POST server and exclusively used pin assignments
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  • [19:39:31] <jkridner> koen, kkeller: I'm going with a floating point value between 0 and 1.
  • [19:40:08] <kkeller> sounds good to me :)
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  • [19:43:35] <jkridner> I wonder if I should make analogRead return a float between 0 and 1 as well.
  • [19:46:44] * jkridner breaks all of koen's demos again. :)
  • [19:47:04] <jkridner> I'm happy that analogWrite() seems to be reasonably functional now.
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  • [19:47:57] <kkeller> jkridner: your call on the analogRead - I just kept it similar to Ardunio which returns a value from 0 to 1024
  • [19:48:08] <_av500_> return 4;
  • [19:48:23] <jkridner> right... I figure if I'm going to break it, break it in a way that is relatively future proof.
  • [19:48:37] <mranostay> heh
  • [19:48:55] <jkridner> I want to be able to just have different abstraction files for different boards with different devices.
  • [19:49:10] <_av500_> add a wrapper
  • [19:49:14] <jkridner> adding a 'scale' to the pin for use with ain makes it easy to change for other ADCs.
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  • [19:54:36] <fierman> well, got the sd card problem to fixed. was indeed a question of the primary partition being too large, and not of an even sector size. rather trivial now that I think of it. BUt OS still won;t load. serial output gives this: http://fierman.org/meh.png . apparently my bootloader is an old one ?
  • [19:54:56] <_av500_> possibly
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  • [20:03:07] <rcn-ee> fierman, why are you using the old X-Loader binaries? u-boot's MLO has since repalced that..
  • [20:03:11] <fierman> so where to obtain a newer version of x-loader? the directory in angstrom does not contain it
  • [20:03:27] <fierman> rcn-ee: i only noticed the old x-loader now
  • [20:03:48] <rcn-ee> are you building from angstrom stable?
  • [20:04:03] <fierman> rcn-ee: not even buildingm used the narcissus builder
  • [20:04:12] <fierman> rcn-ee: not even building myself, used the narcissus builder
  • [20:04:15] <rcn-ee> you could grab them here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [20:04:35] <ds2> jkridner: ping
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  • [20:04:52] <jkridner> ds2: pong
  • [20:05:29] <fierman> rcn-ee: xloader binaries are not there ?
  • [20:05:54] <fierman> i checked that dir already
  • [20:05:58] <rcn-ee> no, xloader was depreciated, use the "MLO"
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  • [20:06:06] <fierman> i _am_ using MLO :)
  • [20:06:25] <jkridner> use SPL for MLO.
  • [20:06:31] <jkridner> u-boot SPL.
  • [20:06:33] <rcn-ee> your using the MLO from X-Loader, use the MLO from u-boot. ;)
  • [20:06:42] <fierman> i am using the MLO provided by narcissus
  • [20:06:47] <_av500_> use TLA wherever you can
  • [20:06:51] <fierman> so narcissus is broken ?
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  • [20:08:23] <fierman> narcissus provides MLO, u-boot.img and uImage with every build. I am using those. for old stable (default) configuration it works fine, any other configuration fails
  • [20:09:28] <fierman> so SPL is another kickstart method ?
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  • [20:10:01] <rcn-ee> X-loader was always a old fork of u-boot, think of it coming back in (but everything was thrown out and rewritten)
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  • [20:10:29] <XMPPwocky> so
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  • [20:10:44] <XMPPwocky> the MLO is a magic filename
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  • [20:10:54] <XMPPwocky> that the BeagleBone boot ROM looks for on a SD card
  • [20:11:03] <rcn-ee> it's just a magic file name that the ti/omap/etc boot rom looks for..
  • [20:11:09] <XMPPwocky> the SPL is a U-Boot loader (it loads U-Boot)
  • [20:11:34] <rcn-ee> SPL(Second Program Loader)
  • [20:11:40] <XMPPwocky> and on the Bone, it's built and put on a SD card named "MLO"
  • [20:11:53] <fierman> (reminiscent of kickstart on amiga then i suppose )
  • [20:12:02] <fierman> nevermind that analogy :)
  • [20:12:27] <XMPPwocky> so the boot ROM looks on the SD card for "MLO", finds the U-Boot SPL, loads it, the SPL then sets up RAM, looks on the SD card for U-Boot proper, loads it, and runs it
  • [20:12:39] <rcn-ee> correct
  • [20:12:44] <fierman> XMPPwocky: thank you for the explanation
  • [20:13:07] <XMPPwocky> it's because the AM335x has a few KB of on-chip RAM
  • [20:13:34] <XMPPwocky> the DDR controller needs to be initialized before you can use the 256MB of main memory
  • [20:13:39] <XMPPwocky> so the SPL does that
  • [20:13:46] <fierman> (i am using beagleboard xm, but i assume the method is similar)
  • [20:13:55] <XMPPwocky> yeah, it's pretty similar AFAIK
  • [20:14:11] <koen> jkridner: was I right about gpio-led taking gpio 50?
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  • [20:14:40] <fierman> so, MLO is the container filename for an SPL here
  • [20:15:14] <fierman> and even if the x-loader in rom is an old version, it would not matter, since any SPL loaded would override it anyway
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  • [20:15:32] <XMPPwocky> fierman: right, it's a filename hard-coded into the boot ROM
  • [20:15:40] <fierman> thanks :)
  • [20:15:52] <XMPPwocky> i don't think X-Loader is in ROM
  • [20:16:13] <koen> jkridner: maybe we should parse debug for better error messages: http://pastebin.com/de5mA1X0
  • [20:16:18] <fierman> so. my question is. why is narcissus providing an SPL which does not work in any newer custom build ? :)
  • [20:16:54] <fierman> i will rephrase this maybe. is narcissus useable ?
  • [20:17:19] <fierman> as in. can i sort of assume narcissus will provide with an OS which is bootable ?
  • [20:17:30] <fierman> if not, I will stop trying
  • [20:17:37] <ds2> Load order is:
  • [20:17:46] <ds2> ROM -> SPL -> U-boot -> Kernel
  • [20:18:15] <ds2> SPL used to be known as MLO when it is coming from a MMC type device. on other devices, there isn't really a name as it is not a fs
  • [20:18:27] <fierman> roger.
  • [20:18:34] <fierman> thanks
  • [20:18:35] <_av500_> ds2: we call it stage1
  • [20:18:36] <jay6981> x-loader?
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  • [20:19:11] <ds2> _av500_: and I call it monkeys coming of the processors's....
  • [20:19:20] <ds2> but wee digress
  • [20:19:45] <XMPPwocky> ds2: AM335x TRM calls it a "boot image"
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  • [20:25:00] <jkridner> koen: indeed. my DVI-D cape wasn't recognized before, but with this image it is and that is what is allocating the pwm.
  • [20:25:02] <fierman> thanks for the help
  • [20:25:04] <fierman> so
  • [20:25:19] <fierman> MLO provided by narcissus IS not working
  • [20:25:34] <jkridner> koen: it still ends up working.
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  • [20:26:35] <jkridner> I didn't even notice that the dvi::usr0 was changing brightness
  • [20:27:01] <jkridner> I'll leave my analog.js example as is for now, but will consider parsing 'gpio' for a better debug message.
  • [20:27:17] * koen is growing very fond of debugfs
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  • [20:34:38] <koen> time for zzzz
  • [20:34:51] <koen> jkridner: I'll have a look at bonescript master tomorrow
  • [20:34:53] <fierman> koen: i understood you were inititiator/builder of narcissus. do you know if it is 'working' now ?
  • [20:41:36] <jkridner> koen: the cloud9 hack seems to work reasonably.
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  • [20:57:18] <KeatonT> Hello.
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  • [21:26:05] <jstearns74> Any node.js experts? I am trying to install sqlite3 using $ npm install sqlite3 (on the beaglebone), but get an error: ImportError: No module named compiler.ast. Any suggestions? Google isn't helping...
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  • [21:40:52] <Sgarr> jstearns74: opkg install python-compile maybe?
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  • [21:41:16] <jstearns74> I will try, thanks!
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  • [21:46:10] <jkridner> koen: https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/commit/a7692490874f2bf80f35616062028b92e54709d0
  • [21:46:16] <jstearns74> Sgarr: python-compile - package not found (!?!). It is listed as an available package on the Angstrom package browser, but I can't get it via the command line...
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  • [21:46:56] <Sgarr> I get that sometimes - opkg update usually resolves it (*not opkg upgrade*)
  • [21:47:56] <jstearns74> ah. thanks! That worked.
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  • [21:51:41] <kkeller> jkridner: ping - I did a git pull on cloud9??? Like the changes but...
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  • [21:52:03] <jkridner> yes...
  • [21:52:08] <kkeller> the default values for GPIO input has changed. Was pull down/enabled
  • [21:52:17] <jstearns74> shoot - still get the same error... 'ImportError: No module named compiler.ast'
  • [21:52:31] <jkridner> kkeller: does arduino have a default?
  • [21:52:35] <jkridner> what should the default be?
  • [21:52:47] <jkridner> I made it an argument so it can be set now.
  • [21:52:52] <jkridner> rather than just picking one.
  • [21:53:24] <kkeller> I think that is the way to do it, just breaks old code when you change the default.
  • [21:53:27] <jkridner> but, I did make the default to be disabled.
  • [21:53:32] <kkeller> BUT??? so much more is changed
  • [21:53:39] <kkeller> it make not make a difference anyway
  • [21:53:54] <jkridner> well, I don't like giving too many people surprises.
  • [21:54:07] <jkridner> if pulldown should be the default, I can change that.
  • [21:54:37] <kkeller> the old default was 0x27 which was pulldown and enabled for input
  • [21:55:09] <kkeller> Is there an issue with ideal current draw if it was the old default
  • [21:56:09] <kkeller> jkridner: I really don't know what the default should be. I guess it would be best to do it right (less current draw, etc)
  • [21:56:32] <jkridner> right. yeah, i'm not sure what the current draw would be. generally, it is better to pull to a level.
  • [21:58:24] <jkridner> I also have no idea about enabling 'rx'.
  • [21:58:48] <jkridner> shall I go back to pulldown default for now?
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  • [21:59:24] <kkeller> IMHO on >input< default would be pulldown and enabled - that way it is a logical zero
  • [22:00:36] <jkridner> true.
  • [22:01:24] <jkridner> should 'rx' be off for output?
  • [22:01:59] <kkeller> not sure??? (to be honest - looking at that in the TRM right now :) )
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  • [22:02:50] <jkridner> I've now changed master twice. :)
  • [22:02:56] * jkridner needs to apply some self control.
  • [22:03:06] <kkeller> I had to refresh my memory??? no RXACTIVE for output
  • [22:03:18] <jkridner> just in a hurry to try to wrap things up to travel to Maker Faire
  • [22:03:56] * kkeller wishes I had budget to g to some of those things??? but retirement stops that
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  • [22:05:12] <kkeller> this morning I got my iPhone accelerometer to remotely control my servos on the BBone??? But my cloud9 update killed it all :D
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  • [22:07:03] <_av500_> home
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  • [22:13:14] <mdp> kkeller: you really need an android app to complement that :)
  • [22:13:52] <kkeller> I did the iPhone app in PhoneGap so it can be on droid and others
  • [22:14:05] <mdp> oh, cool, didn't realize that
  • [22:14:46] <mdp> I'll have to catch up with you tomorrow, just back from ti tech days and off to dinner
  • [22:14:48] <mdp> bbl
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  • [22:20:50] <fierman> wonder if there is a one-stop solution to replace busybox with gnu-utils on an already configured and running system
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  • [22:30:30] <smplman> how is the cloud9 ide hosted on the bone?
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  • [22:35:08] <mranostay> magic
  • [22:35:31] <mranostay> web interface?
  • [22:35:39] <mru> one does not simply host a cloud
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  • [22:38:18] <smplman> mru: is there some sort of proxy going on?
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  • [22:38:41] <mru> uh?
  • [22:38:56] <mru> yeah, it's all fake... it's proxied to TI servers in the cloud
  • [22:39:25] <thurbad> lol
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  • [22:40:00] <smplman> if its cloud hosted then how do you get your code to run on the actual device
  • [22:40:27] <thurbad> kermit?
  • [22:41:13] <mru> smplman: the bone runs a web server with the cloud9 ide
  • [22:42:26] <mranostay> mru: all our code belong to TI?
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  • [22:43:38] <smplman> which source is it using? this one https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9?
  • [22:43:40] <mru> somebody set up us the bone
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  • [23:01:40] <mranostay> mru: for great justice!
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  • [23:23:43] <kkeller> jkridner: ping (still there?)
  • [23:24:08] <jkridner> yes
  • [23:24:52] <kkeller> since you are short on time??? can I send you an email with a little code suggestion on the pinMode defaults (vs irc back and forth?)
  • [23:25:14] <jkridner> pull requests are ideal. ;-)
  • [23:25:25] <kkeller> will do it that way then???
  • [23:25:28] <jkridner> e-mail is good though.
  • [23:25:33] <jkridner> great! pull request it is!
  • [23:25:52] * jkridner hugs git
  • [23:27:36] <kkeller> one more thing??? isn't there an analog that is an internal voltage check that does not go out to a pin?
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  • [23:48:44] <kkeller> jkridner: did a look at your latest and you fixed the issue??? false start
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  • [23:49:20] <jkridner> kkeller: I only know about the external reference voltage.
  • [23:49:27] <jkridner> what was the issue.
  • [23:49:43] <kkeller> how you where assigning the defaults
  • [23:49:57] <kkeller> took car of the OUTPUT vs INPUT
  • [23:50:00] <kkeller> *care
  • [23:51:14] <kkeller> ref analog - I guess that is what I was thinking about - analog[7] is the ref voltage.
  • [23:51:51] * kkeller tried to find that in the TRM but got lost in the 4k pages
  • [23:51:56] * mranostay wonders what kkeller is up too
  • [23:52:00] <mranostay> *to
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  • [23:52:13] <kkeller> come on over and see :)
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  • [23:52:55] <kkeller> mranostay: will put on hte blog tomorrow or next day + iPhone/Droid code in a day or two later
  • [23:53:21] <KeatonT> So why can't I seem to get nohup running python scripts in the background on the bone
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