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[00:00:15] <dwery> SilicaGel: so the PRUSS has limited control of the GPIOs ?
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[00:04:18] <mranostay> mru: er i had no clue Lycos still existed either
[00:05:12] <mru> omg http://hotbot.com/
[00:05:52] <mranostay> altavista.com even
[00:06:28] <djlewis> ooh, hadnt heard that ia awhile
[00:06:52] <mranostay> hell i dare say i haven't used either of those since 2004
[00:07:35] <mru> that HN post has links to a few more oldies
[00:08:45] <mranostay> probably only users are people running Windows 95 and never change their IE homepage
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[00:15:05] <ds2> it is still less cluttered
[00:15:55] <mranostay> ds2: what IE or Windows 95?
[00:16:05] <ds2> the other search engines
[00:16:07] <ds2> :P
[00:16:16] <ds2> IE or Win95 is useless crap.
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[00:16:50] <mranostay> ds2: Windows 7 even :P
[00:16:58] <ds2> any of those
[00:17:17] * mranostay still gets calls about twice a year from a family member with a Windows question
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[00:18:11] <mranostay> note i probably haven't ran Windows on a personal box in close to 10 years
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[00:21:32] <ds2> why use windows when there are doors
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[00:32:31] <SilicaGel12> dwery: still here?
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[00:34:39] <mranostay> ds2: well doors usually don't have views
[00:34:48] <SilicaGel12> dwery: it's more that the pruss has a super duper efficient way to handle *a few* GPIO pins
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[00:41:04] <ds2> you need to move on up
[00:42:09] <SilicaGel12> to the sky?
[00:42:25] <ds2> better views in the penthouse
[00:42:25] <SilicaGel12> no
[00:42:28] <SilicaGel12> to the east side
[00:42:33] <SilicaGel12> to a de-luxe apartment in the sky-yyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[00:43:02] <dwery> SilicaGel12: a pecific subset?
[00:44:37] <etheretic1> http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html (snowstorm on lasco c2/3)
[00:44:53] <SilicaGel12> yeah, a specific subset. Certain pins.
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[00:45:02] <SilicaGel12> 6 as inputs, 6 as outputs IIRC
[00:45:30] <SilicaGel12> see, the trick is, through some muxing tricks in the PRUSS internal mux setup, you can have those GPIO pins map directly to registers in the PRU ... R30 and R31
[00:45:46] <dwery> that could be useful for my next cape
[00:45:51] <SilicaGel12> which means you can use the PRU instruction set's bit test and branch instructions to 'poll' those very nicely
[00:45:52] <SilicaGel12> yeah
[00:45:55] <SilicaGel12> on the beaglebone unfortunately,
[00:45:57] <dwery> can you identify which ones?
[00:46:00] <SilicaGel12> you don't get many of them.
[00:46:01] <SilicaGel12> yeah
[00:46:19] <SilicaGel12> but I haven't fully documented this. One of the balls is I think R1
[00:46:29] <SilicaGel12> it's really hard to figure this out. What you have to do is open up the pinmux tool
[00:46:36] <dwery> ok
[00:46:49] <SilicaGel12> then you have to look for the pins that have a function that's named pru1_something_R30 or R31
[00:46:58] <dwery> ok, doable :D
[00:47:01] <SilicaGel12> one of them is I think ball R1 which is like lcd_data0 or something?
[00:47:08] <SilicaGel12> That's the one we tested on with the beaglebone
[00:48:25] <SilicaGel12> whenever i do this stuff i end up having to have like 3 documents open to do it.
[00:48:42] <SilicaGel12> It's pretty challenging because the balls selected to go to P8/P9 on the bone are pretty few
[00:48:58] <SilicaGel12> it always ends up that the ones you want don't go there :-/
[00:48:58] <dwery> yep :(
[00:49:37] <dwery> maybe the next bone could have connectors with 3 rows
[00:49:56] <emeb> or use 2mm spacing
[00:50:20] <dwery> you have to redesign all the capes with 2mm spacing
[00:50:59] <SilicaGel12> the othe rproblem is the friggin LCD pins
[00:51:11] <SilicaGel12> if you actually used that LCD port, you'd end up with no pins for anything ese
[00:51:21] <SilicaGel12> I finally said F it, I'm not putting an LCD on this thing, just to spite it !!!
[00:51:37] <jay6981> get one of those SPI LCDs :)
[00:53:16] <SilicaGel12> the missing DCAN on the bone disturbs me, if you were on your onw board it would be no roblem because you can route it 2 places, or the uart it conflits with at least 2 places
[00:53:24] <SilicaGel12> so you have a lot of flexibility I think
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[00:54:20] <SilicaGel12> dwery: if you look at 4.4 PRUSS INTERNAL PINMUX OVERVIEW, you can see what's going on.
[00:54:40] <SilicaGel12> PRU1_pru1_r32[11:8] is six pins that can be inputs to the pru
[00:54:44] <dwery> looking
[00:55:12] <SilicaGel12> tthen in the next table, pr1_pru1_pru_r30[5:0] can be driven by pru1 (that's six pins)
[00:55:30] <SilicaGel12> and pr1:pru0_pru_r31[13:8] can be driven by pru0 or pru1
[00:55:37] <dwery> all the other GPIOs are a no-go or can they be reached thru the interconnect?
[00:55:43] <SilicaGel12> so theoretically pru1 can drive 12 output pins
[00:55:45] <SilicaGel12> but not on the bone
[00:56:05] <SilicaGel12> The other ones besides hese? They can be reached through L3/L4 but at greater expense of course
[00:56:19] <SilicaGel12> for inputs you don't really want to be polling them often
[00:56:28] <dwery> ok
[00:56:44] <SilicaGel12> for outputs, if you only wrote them occasionally and you didn't mind a tiny bit of latency (sub-usec) then I think using regular GPIOs as outputs is fine
[00:57:11] <SilicaGel12> to me the critical thing is if you have inputs that you want to poll quickly, like a software uart or something like that
[00:57:24] <SilicaGel12> those you really want mapped to R31
[00:57:50] <SilicaGel12> then you can do stuff like BQSS r31, 8, OH_CRAP
[00:57:53] <SilicaGel12> OH_CRAP: do something
[00:58:29] <dwery> quite lovely
[00:59:06] <SilicaGel12> you can't do bit tests outside of the registers, so if you did have to poll it via the interconnect, you'd have to do a load first, then do the bit test
[00:59:20] <dwery> ack
[00:59:31] <SilicaGel12> writing output pins is problematic too if you don't have a bit set instruction (which you don't to external memory) ... that's a potential race condition
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[00:59:45] <SilicaGel12> so while I say it's probably OK to use GPIOs over L3/L4, it's something you want to be very very careful about
[01:00:13] <SilicaGel12> then again, I'm no expert. I'm just an early nerdopter.
[01:00:28] <dwery> I might need just a few output pins
[01:02:31] <dwery> uh..there's a serial shift out mode..
[01:02:46] <SilicaGel12> yeah, it's really really stupid
[01:02:51] <SilicaGel12> I don't know why the hell they wasted their time.
[01:03:12] <dwery> SPI on the PRUSS ?
[01:03:13] <SilicaGel12> perhaps you can think of a reason why I'm wrong and it's not a waste of time
[01:03:16] <SilicaGel12> Yeah? ok.
[01:03:20] <SilicaGel12> If you want 28 bit word size.
[01:03:23] <SilicaGel12> ONLY 28 bit word size.
[01:03:27] <SilicaGel12> That's the only size it supports.
[01:03:29] <dwery> some kind of fast A/D converter
[01:03:41] <dwery> that 28 must mean something
[01:03:43] <SilicaGel12> so what the hell is 28 bits?
[01:03:47] <SilicaGel12> Yeah well I couldn't figure it out
[01:03:51] <mranostay> nice odd number
[01:03:57] <dwery> one more mystery
[01:04:05] <mranostay> aligned 32-bits right?
[01:04:54] <dwery> I think so
[01:05:03] <dwery> two registers, with ping pong..
[01:06:31] <mranostay> dwery: because 28 bits is weird but non-aligned would be insane :)
[01:06:42] <dwery> I wouldn't bet on it
[01:07:01] <dwery> they surely had an use-case in mind
[01:07:08] <SilicaGel12> but what?
[01:07:13] <SilicaGel12> I racked my brain
[01:07:37] * dwery wonders
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[01:08:50] <jay6981> super sekrit
[01:09:25] <SilicaGel12> yeah. like something to do with timer 12.
[01:09:33] <dwery> I bet it!
[01:10:19] <SilicaGel12> This shift register mode can be used for interfacing to digital serial communication protocols that are used in a very broad range of applications. The purpose is to use PRU in such situations and may be avoid having to use external device(s).
[01:10:28] <SilicaGel12> that's what Maneesh at TI said
[01:10:43] <dwery> broad range
[01:10:53] <SilicaGel12> is he being sexist?
[01:11:08] <jay6981> HR would say yes
[01:11:12] <SilicaGel12> Well. I don't see why men can't use it, too.
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[01:11:54] <SilicaGel12> maybe you should make a cape with an FPGA on it and invent some kind of 28-bit protocol just to show them who's boss.
[01:13:12] <dwery> which manual has the pin mux pins list? too many docs and I can't find it :(
[01:13:35] <mranostay> dwery: bone?
[01:13:43] <dwery> it's not complete
[01:13:46] <dwery> I remember I saw one
[01:13:47] <SilicaGel12> and it's got errors!
[01:14:23] <SilicaGel12> hm
[01:14:35] <SilicaGel12> the relevant chapter is 9, section 9.2.2 shows the bit fields
[01:15:07] <SilicaGel12> "See the device datasheet for information on default pin mux configurations."
[01:15:41] <SilicaGel12> It's insanely hard to figure out this way. The pinmux tool is definitely the thing to look at
[01:15:54] <SilicaGel12> you can look for pins like GPIO2_6 is one of them that has a mode 5 I think
[01:15:55] <dwery> it runs on windows..
[01:15:59] <SilicaGel12> i know :(
[01:16:12] <SilicaGel12> believe me, it was painful for me too
[01:16:58] <dwery> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/am3358.pdf
[01:17:05] <SilicaGel12> what's also bad is that the pinmux tool has no search ability, which forces you to do a human in the loop linear search
[01:17:15] <SilicaGel12> The bone is ZCZ pkg btw
[01:17:33] <SilicaGel12> ok there you go
[01:17:35] <SilicaGel12> ok
[01:17:43] <SilicaGel12> so search for pins that are pr1_pru*
[01:17:54] <SilicaGel12> then throw out all the ones you can't touch on the bone or aren't mapped on the bome
[01:18:06] <dwery> doing
[01:18:16] <SilicaGel12> YES I'm not insane
[01:18:18] <SilicaGel12> R1 is one of them
[01:18:23] <SilicaGel12> which is also gpio2-6
[01:18:40] <SilicaGel12> which is /sys/kernel/debug/omap-pinmux/lcd_data0 or something like that
[01:18:42] <SilicaGel12> *AND*
[01:18:44] <SilicaGel12> to make things also fun
[01:18:55] <SilicaGel12> angstrom at least doesn't know about those names for those pins
[01:19:15] <SilicaGel12> so the choices in the debug pinmux mode in /sys will say lcd_data0 gprmc_a1 NA NA NA NA NA GPIO
[01:19:19] <SilicaGel12> lots of NA NA NA
[01:19:20] <SilicaGel12> haha
[01:19:37] <SilicaGel12> it's mode 5 too wow my memory is not as bad as it used to be
[01:21:16] <SilicaGel12> you know, my wife took down my art so she could hang her professional certification credentials on the wall
[01:21:30] <SilicaGel12> How am I supposed to work down here without my Dogs Playing Poker proudly displayed
[01:22:18] <dwery> there are a few on P8
[01:22:31] <SilicaGel12> cool
[01:22:49] <SilicaGel12> bone is 3359 ... why did you choose 3358 ... or have they started shipping bones with 3358?
[01:23:12] <SilicaGel12> pay attention to the directons ... to the pruss they are inputs and outputs, they are not bidirectional
[01:23:21] <dwery> found a refrence on beagleboard.org
[01:23:30] <dwery> hope the pinmux are the same..
[01:24:17] <SilicaGel12> I have no idea. I'd kind of expect them to be.
[01:24:38] <dwery> hte pdf covers 52,4,6,7,8,9
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[01:26:35] <dwery> pru1 gets the most
[01:27:44] <dwery> (on P8)
[01:27:51] <dwery> ok, it's enough
[01:27:55] <SilicaGel12> yeah
[01:28:02] <dwery> 14 pins on P8
[01:28:10] <SilicaGel12> the other thing about pru1 is it gets a bunch of them regardless of the internalmux settings
[01:28:13] <SilicaGel12> which is convenient.
[01:29:01] <SilicaGel12> we should make some kind of compiler for the pru
[01:29:06] <SilicaGel12> i wonder if it could do ok with forth
[01:29:12] <SilicaGel12> consdiering it has no stack
[01:29:15] <SilicaGel12> on could be faked though
[01:29:17] <SilicaGel12> one
[01:29:38] <SilicaGel12> FORTH LOVE IF HONK THEN
[01:30:12] <dwery> strange no one tried that
[01:30:52] <dwery> there are quite a few languages which would probably do fine on a PRUSS
[01:31:35] <SilicaGel12> what do you have in mind?
[01:31:42] <dwery> JAL
[01:32:04] <dwery> it's a language for pic micros
[01:35:12] <dwery> ok, time to go to bed...
[01:35:19] <dwery> see you and thanks for the chat
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[01:36:36] <SilicaGel12> ko
[01:37:30] <jay6981> brainfuck
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[02:38:37] <Russ> arghhh
[02:38:56] <Russ> I really need to find out how to make verbatim the google default
[02:39:01] * Russ "user mode linux" quiet
[02:39:19] <Russ> completely useless results because google likes the word quite better
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[02:40:58] <Mojito> try duckduckgo
[02:41:18] <funkster> i have a beagleboard device attached to a door that opens, anyone know of a way for me to power the device in the same way door/window magnets are setup so there is a gap
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[02:47:49] <Russ> bah, network manager broke slirp
[02:48:31] <Russ> the slirp magic dns redirects packets to whatever is in /etc/resolv.conf, on network manager systems, that address is 127.0.0.1
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[03:00:18] <ds2> google is completely useless
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[03:01:12] <emeb> the internet is completely useless
[03:02:12] <ds2> their results has been crap for months if not years
[03:02:22] <emeb> Bing!
[03:02:40] <ds2> bing has been getting better
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[05:00:03] <fiveofoh> Shot in the dark: is anyone here in the vicinity of Portland, OR/the pacific northwest
[05:00:06] <fiveofoh> ?
[05:04:18] <mranostay> very likely
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[05:08:00] <fiveofoh> I have a non-responding BeagleBoard (likely hardware) and a tight project schedule, and am looking for one to borrow/rent :/
[05:08:29] <fiveofoh> My other option being just ordering another one next-day shipping for more money than I really want to spend right now
[05:08:58] <fiveofoh> (Troubleshooting: red light blinks when I plug it in, D5 is solid, nothing else happens, including serial port)
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[05:17:02] <snowrichard> av500 can you connect to http://mypals.info for me?
[05:17:42] <snowrichard> see if it works
[05:17:43] <snowrichard> its a new php site for sharing ogg files that people make
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[05:20:21] <snowrichard> hi
[05:20:45] <snowrichard> http://mypals.info
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[06:21:16] <_av500_> works for me, but i'd rather not
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[06:50:30] <mranostay> heh jesus radio show?
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[07:06:56] <mranostay> how it is 11p already?..
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[07:11:39] <_av500_> mranostay: ask for the root password and change your time zone...
[07:11:49] <fiveofoh> mranostay: Where in PST are you?
[07:11:56] * fiveofoh is in Portland, OR
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[07:13:06] <mranostay> fiveofoh: San Jose area
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[07:22:08] <TheAlphaNerd> eyyo
[07:22:17] <TheAlphaNerd> I'm moving to palo alto!!!
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[07:24:15] <mranostay> TheAlphaNerd: from where?
[07:26:50] <TheAlphaNerd> toronto
[07:28:52] <mranostay> job or get accepted to Stanford?
[07:29:15] <TheAlphaNerd> grad school at stanford!!!
[07:33:52] <mranostay> CS i assume?
[07:36:18] <ynezz> is Stanford any good?
[07:36:25] <TheAlphaNerd> not CS
[07:36:28] <TheAlphaNerd> MA MST
[07:36:32] <TheAlphaNerd> music science and technology
[07:36:35] <TheAlphaNerd> doing research at ccrma
[07:36:43] <TheAlphaNerd> center for computer research in music and acoustics
[07:37:06] <_av500_> so how many bits and khz do YOU think we need? :)
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[07:38:06] <mranostay> heh
[07:41:54] <TheAlphaNerd> lol
[07:42:08] <TheAlphaNerd> we need alsa mixer working perfectly out of the box
[07:42:17] <TheAlphaNerd> hoever number of bitz or khz it takes
[07:42:18] <TheAlphaNerd> then improve it
[07:42:21] <TheAlphaNerd> Agile :D
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[07:43:43] <mranostay> TheAlphaNerd: what are you smoking? :)
[07:43:49] <TheAlphaNerd> nothing of course
[07:43:50] <TheAlphaNerd> :D
[07:44:01] <TheAlphaNerd> now why would you asl that :(
[07:44:57] * mranostay thinks TheAlphaNerd is too new to irc to know the trolls of this channel
[07:45:14] <TheAlphaNerd> I'm 12
[07:45:16] <TheAlphaNerd> what's a troll?
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[07:46:08] <TheAlphaNerd> like this ? http://i.imgur.com/dsZVH.jpg
[07:49:24] <koen> TheAlphaNerd: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/5525576095/in/photostream
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[07:49:41] <TheAlphaNerd> why is the neck beard shaved then?
[07:49:50] <TheAlphaNerd> he bought the t-shirt at hot topic fo show
[07:51:32] <koen> I never understood neckbeards
[07:51:36] <koen> way to itchy
[07:52:00] <TheAlphaNerd> it just happens for me
[07:52:06] <TheAlphaNerd> and the cheeks don't grow in so pretty
[07:52:09] <TheAlphaNerd> need to compensate
[07:53:19] <mranostay> TheAlphaNerd: you are 12.. you shouldn't have a real beard :)
[07:53:28] <TheAlphaNerd> hormones
[07:53:32] <mranostay> koen: where you get that shirt from?
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[08:11:03] <koen> mranostay: splitreason.com
[08:11:25] <koen> mranostay: it's merch from the zeropunctuation show
[08:11:43] <panto> howdy
[08:11:55] <dwery> nice shirt
[08:12:06] <dwery> it comes with the raspberry, right?
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[08:31:43] <blehbleh> am I being really stupid but there must be some sort of protection against usb disconnect on the beaglebone... it seems that pretty much every time I remove power my beaglebone will then never get recognized by pc again until I do a full wipe..
[08:32:00] <blehbleh> this makes it pretty much unsuable, it can't be this fragile, surely I am missing something
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[08:33:23] <woglinde_> blehbleh go to india and force the kernel-devs to fix reinserting for usb
[08:33:57] <blehbleh> I am guessing that is lame sarcasm?
[08:34:30] <blehbleh> but is it true that unless i do a formal "shutdown now" from the console before removing power.. that my beaglebone is going to be corrupted
[08:35:40] <woglinde_> again its a bug in the kernel
[08:35:52] <woglinde_> and now you know why usb suckz
[08:36:04] <blehbleh> yeah I do... hmm
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[08:36:35] <woglinde_> I never had so many failures with any other bus
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[08:37:12] <blehbleh> but itmakes the device almost unusable..
[08:37:29] <woglinde> dont tell me
[08:37:43] <blehbleh> like my computer accidentally shut down while I was doing long updates on the BB and when I came back bye bye BB
[08:38:42] <blehbleh> is this going to be fixed on the BB side?
[08:39:05] <av500> woglinde: not this usb
[08:39:18] <av500> i think he talks about the mini usb to the pc
[08:39:29] <blehbleh> yeah thats what I mean
[08:39:32] <woglinde> av500 that is not broken?
[08:39:49] <woglinde> but looks like
[08:39:50] <av500> everything is broken
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[08:39:59] <woglinde> thats for sure
[08:40:10] <woglinde> lets see how thunderbolt will workout
[08:40:17] <blehbleh> if I am using the mini usb as my power source to BB, whenever I remove it unexpectedly without doing a formal shutdown now.. the BB just dies never to return unless I reformat it
[08:40:31] <woglinde> I bet av500 has a prototype with it
[08:40:31] <av500> that is strange
[08:41:12] <woglinde> wrong fs?
[08:41:51] <panto> woglinde, isn't thunderbolt an Intel design?
[08:41:55] <panto> just like USB?
[08:41:57] <blehbleh> wrong fs?
[08:42:05] <panto> wanna take a guess how it's going to turn up?
[08:42:24] <woglinde> panto wasnt pci intel too?
[08:42:32] <woglinde> and this works very well
[08:43:08] <panto> woglinde, I don't particularly thing so, especially compared with other standards that were around at the same time
[08:43:20] <panto> Intel has a knack of overcomplicating things
[08:43:46] <dwery> blehbleh: I removed power hundred of times, never got a corruption
[08:44:04] <panto> but it was fast, worked OK, and available cheaply
[08:44:09] <panto> so it won
[08:44:23] <blehbleh> what operating system? and how did you format your SD?
[08:44:44] <dwery> blehbleh: linux, angstrom
[08:44:58] <dwery> I just copied in the most recent angstrom image
[08:45:31] <blehbleh> i am using a different sd to the default one, but I formatted it to FAT and then copied the image on
[08:45:34] <blehbleh> it all works except this
[08:45:43] <dwery> does it happen with the default?
[08:45:46] <blehbleh> maybe if I format it in ubuntu
[08:45:48] <blehbleh> yes
[08:45:54] <blehbleh> im running angstrom
[08:46:20] <blehbleh> whenever i disconnect, windows will never recognise it again.. and the serial comms will never boot up.. i am assuming corrpution
[08:46:39] <dwery> uhm... I'd assume that windows doesn't work...
[08:47:40] <blehbleh> right okay I am gonna try it in ubuntu.. i need to use windows for work though:(
[08:48:03] <dwery> I'd rather change workplace
[08:48:52] <blehbleh> g2g xx
[08:49:00] <dwery> bye
[08:49:11] <woglinde> blehbleh fat?
[08:49:14] <woglinde> no wonder
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[09:40:58] <av500> woglinde: at least fat can be fixed with hexedit :)
[09:44:09] <dm8tbr> If you can't fix your Partition-table/FAT/MLO with hex-edit you're not an embedded developer?
[09:45:38] <woglinde> hm
[09:45:40] <woglinde> okay
[09:45:46] <woglinde> so I am not one
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[10:14:11] <hog> hi, im super-new with the beaglebone and I just want to get the 'hello world' to run on the board via CCSv5. For some reason I cant get the debug to work. I've been reading through the 'getting started' alot but im still stuck
[10:15:16] <hog> the 'bbone-target-config.ccxml' launches successfully and im able to connect to the device
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[10:57:12] <av500> koen: hubduino? http://www.ti.com/product/tusb2136
[11:00:21] <koen> $3 dollar 8052 board?
[11:00:53] <av500> it's a race to the bottom
[11:00:58] <av500> what about 0.1?? cardboard?
[11:01:34] <dm8tbr> 0.0??? invisible-board
[11:01:52] <av500> dm8tbr: you have to add RS and farnell handling costs
[11:02:33] <dm8tbr> av500: this one is so thin, it could be even emailed! ;)
[11:03:01] <koen> av500 knows inkscape, so we should design a 'cardboard'
[11:03:16] <koen> and market it as "just like the pi it won't run ubuntu"
[11:03:19] <LetoThe2nd> DIE 8052 DIEDIEDIE
[11:03:22] * LetoThe2nd must kill
[11:03:32] <av500> LetoThe2nd: ruhig brauner
[11:03:38] <av500> hier, leckerli
[11:03:43] <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
[11:03:50] * ogra_ grins
[11:04:26] <LetoThe2nd> yeah, nearly time for l?nch
[11:04:26] * dm8tbr flushes down his leckerli with some more caffeinated brown hot fluid
[11:04:48] * dm8tbr already lynched today
[11:07:23] <LetoThe2nd> notice: my customers and collegues don't like blind guardian. whenever i put on my headphones, the telephone rings.
[11:07:50] <dm8tbr> shame on them!
[11:07:57] * av500 takes LetoThe2nd by the chain and leads him back to his holding pen
[11:09:48] * LetoThe2nd would prefer being led to free lunch
[11:10:20] <av500> da h??ngt ne rinderh??lfte....
[11:11:25] <dm8tbr> what no live cow?
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[11:12:06] <dm8tbr> speaking of which, had some really good slice of dead, roasted, black angus yesterday
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[11:39:01] <thos37> I'm attempting to get a plain HelloWorld.c to build, download, and debug using CCS and the beaglebone's builtin JTAG. Has anyone done this? This page (http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/Docs/ccs-jtag-simple.htm) has a nice intro up to a point, but seems to end abruptly.
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[11:54:06] <panto> thos37, why would you need to do that?
[11:54:16] <panto> JTAG is for kernel & module debugging mostly
[11:54:27] <av500> because he can
[11:54:33] <panto> just copy the binary over and run it under gdbserver
[11:54:44] <panto> dunno seems like overkill to me
[11:54:46] <mru> jtag is for boot loader debugging mostly
[11:55:03] <av500> it helps with randomly hanging kernels too
[11:55:03] <thos37> you know, one click to download and debug is pretty cool ;)
[11:55:20] * panto shrugs
[11:55:36] <mru> might be useful if printk doesn't work
[11:55:54] <panto> and very early debugging/VM problems
[11:56:39] <thos37> how do you move your binary to the device? Is it automated at all?
[11:57:30] * av500 uses cp
[11:57:37] <av500> or adb push
[11:58:21] * koen orders 32GB of ram to upgrade his workstation
[11:58:38] <koen> never thought 16GB wouldn't be enough so soon
[11:58:55] <koen> damn VMs
[11:59:24] <av500> Voluptuous Memory
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[12:08:49] <mdp> panto, or because it's there
[12:09:09] <mdp> "single cable debug"
[12:12:49] <panto> mdp, meh :)
[12:13:05] <mdp> (???)
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[12:22:06] <mdp> panto, weren't you one of the victims at Mentor that had to work on the kernel debug agent garbage?
[12:22:26] <panto> yes, I have done that :)
[12:22:30] <panto> that's why I don't like it
[12:22:54] <panto> cause it 'kinda works'
[12:23:01] <mdp> I just wanted to poke a bit on that :)
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[12:31:12] <jon1012> hi
[12:31:23] <jon1012> someone knows the max speed of gpio pins on the beaglebone ?
[12:31:35] <jon1012> can I achieve something like 100mhz port manipulation ?
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[12:31:53] <jon1012> or even 50mhz ?
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[12:33:23] <jon1012> on the arm stm32f4 mcu I can achieve that,but since the beaglebone isn't with a mcu buth with a full fledged system, I don't know what speeds I can achieve
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[12:44:30] <woglinde> hi crofton
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[12:59:56] <Crofton> gm
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[13:13:14] <koen> hey Crofton
[13:13:28] <Crofton> hey
[13:13:39] <Crofton> gotta shut down, need to save battery
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[14:08:06] <kate__> "i'm using a debian distribution on my beaglebone and now i'm trying to use the UART interface in a C program. (/dev/ttyO1) For using the interface i added S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO1 in /etc/inittab. But the UART interface dosen't react."
[14:08:30] <kate__> "But why? Did I forget any configurations?"
[14:11:07] <kate__> i'm using a debian distribution on my beaglebone and now i'm trying to use the UART interface in a C program. (/dev/ttyO1) For using the interface i added S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO1 in /etc/inittab. But the UART interface dosen't react.
[14:13:07] <LetoThe2nd> that line should bring up a terminal, not make it usable from c... rather the contrary, it will become ovvupied.
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[14:15:17] <LetoThe2nd> kate__, so you're trying to use a uart thats routed to the headers from c?
[14:15:44] <albamber> High everybody, has someone experience setting a mt9v113 cam into operation with BB-XM?
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[14:23:44] <kate__> LetoThe2nd: yes but the simplest command cat example.txt > /dev/ttyO1 doesn't go
[14:23:59] <kate__> i tried to send some strings to my pc
[14:24:09] <LetoThe2nd> kate__, checked pinmux?
[14:24:24] <kate__> where can i find the pinmux in debian
[14:24:36] <LetoThe2nd> else, you will happily write into the uart, but it won't make it to the pins.
[14:24:40] <koen> #debian most likely
[14:24:50] <koen> that's where you go for debian support
[14:25:16] <LetoThe2nd> no idea how you check pinmuxing there.
[14:26:12] <bones_was_here> you have to mount a debugfs to get the /sys files for setting the pinmux
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[14:27:30] <kate__> bones_was_here: thanks i try this
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[14:28:54] <koen> bones_was_here: what happens if you mount debugfs outside /sys?
[14:29:00] <koen> do you still get /sys entries?
[14:29:39] <bones_was_here> probably not, but i didnt try
[14:29:52] <av500> koen: no trolling!
[14:30:00] <LetoThe2nd> live fast, troll hard.
[14:34:15] <funkster> looking for a magsafe/magnetic power type of adapter for begle board so it can attach easily - anyone have any suggestions?
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[14:34:53] <smplman> good (time of day) everyone
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[14:46:33] <av500> funkster: buy a macbook and cut of the parts you need
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[14:47:13] <funkster> that wouldn't be cost effective - will looking into getting the parts alone, tho
[14:47:28] <funkster> or another type of magnetic type power
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[14:56:15] <av500> OMG http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781
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[14:59:02] <koen> hah
[14:59:04] <smplman> im never going to get any pie
[14:59:15] <koen> I wonder how they'll handle RMAs
[14:59:23] <mdp> koen, hehe
[14:59:30] <smplman> looks like they want you to solder your own jack
[14:59:46] * smplman goes and talks to the sparkfun guys
[15:00:20] <mdp> substitution in our "lowest bidder" factory
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[15:00:58] <smplman> i wish the beagle xm supported audio over hdmi, oh well
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[15:01:20] <koen> mdp: we weren't allowed to make "lowest bidder" jokes to police officers during body armour fitting
[15:03:32] <mdp> hehe..I can imagine
[15:04:01] <mdp> my LEO friend takes his body armour seriously
[15:04:18] <av500> you have a friend in low earth orbit?
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[15:05:30] <av500> Crofton: Prost!
[15:05:34] <mdp> tbh, he should be there
[15:06:19] <Crofton> I am in your lecture hall, stealing your Joules
[15:06:29] <av500> not mine
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[15:06:49] <av500> you are at K.I.T.T.
[15:06:54] <Crofton> yeah
[15:07:16] <LetoThe2nd> av500, anf?ngerfehler @ RPi ;)
[15:07:28] <av500> I studied at South Hessian Institute of Technology
[15:07:37] <Crofton> a fine acronym
[15:07:58] <av500> uni did not want to adopt it.....
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[15:08:24] <Crofton> hmm, I need to pay attention
[15:08:38] <av500> waitress approaching?
[15:08:43] <Crofton> this talk is partly about soemthing I worked on a number of years ago
[15:08:49] <Crofton> no
[15:09:11] <Crofton> although radio nerds seem to attract a slightly more integrated crowd than linux nerds
[15:09:12] <av500> put slides on pastebin
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[15:10:53] <Crofton> http://www.sandra.aero/
[15:11:51] <av500> hmm, layer cake
[15:11:54] <smplman> Crofton: isn't the US working on something similar?
[15:12:10] <av500> of course
[15:12:14] <koen> oh dear
[15:12:16] <av500> NIH(tm)
[15:12:20] <koen> Crofton: my old uni is involved with that
[15:12:36] <av500> koen: its EU money, everybody is involved
[15:12:49] <ynezz> :D
[15:13:38] <av500> Crofton: how much is 2GB/month on sandra? cheaper than on NewIPAD?
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[15:23:27] <Crofton> rofl
[15:23:45] <Crofton> one of hte professors just suggested he was mad for using tte SCA
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[15:44:20] <kate123> bones_was_here: thank you very much it works. but now i have a question in my omap_mux directory i only have uart0 and uart1 for configureing where are the other uart's
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[16:05:43] <jsabeaudry> kate123, the files in omap_mux are named according to their Mode0
[16:06:24] <jsabeaudry> kate123, the other uarts are not on the mode0 of the pin
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[16:20:29] <kate123> jsabeaudry: thanks i understand now
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[16:22:57] <jsabeaudry> kate123, Here is that I use: grep -H "uart2_txd" /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/*
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[16:24:12] <MattRichardson> Hello! I come from an Arduino background, where I (sometimes) poll input pins on a tight loop (only sometimes using interrupts). I'm doing that in python, and I noticed that top shows 99% CPU usage for that script. Does this indicate that I should stay away from polling?
[16:24:30] <av500> yes
[16:24:34] <MattRichardson> Here's my code: https://gist.github.com/1986926
[16:24:40] <av500> well, depends if you need the cpu for anything else
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[16:24:49] <MattRichardson> av500: that's what I figured
[16:24:50] <av500> same as on your arduiono
[16:26:29] <MattRichardson> How do you attach an interrupt, is there a good example out there?
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[16:27:24] <MattRichardson> or, broadly, what approach is taken using interrupts with sysfs gpio?
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[16:29:28] <xtec> hello all
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[16:31:15] <xtec> I've got a question related to BBrevC4 - I tried to compile u-boot but it hangs right after "I2C: ready" message at the console.
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[16:34:02] <av500> funkster: http://littlebits.cc/branch
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[16:35:30] <funkster> av500: thast awesome - looking to make a project attached to door, so it can open/close
[16:36:35] <av500> I cam across that just now
[16:36:37] <av500> came
[16:37:31] <funkster> great!
[16:37:36] <funkster> thanks a lot.
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[16:41:22] <ogra_> thats the true lego for adults ?
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[16:44:50] <av500> well, $14 for a switch is a bit expensive
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[16:45:02] <av500> I'd like to buy only the connectors
[16:45:11] <av500> probably they are the expensive parts :)
[16:45:23] * ogra_ was about to say that
[16:48:32] <xtec> could someone tell me what am I doing wrong? I try to build u-boot from http://gitorious.org/beagleboard-validation . After cross-compilation using arm-none-eabi (CodeSourceryLite), the u-boot.bin is loaded but stops right after "I2C: ready" message on serial.
[16:49:41] <smplman> xtec: sounds like uboot is fine but you dont have a boot script to boot your kernel
[16:49:58] <xtec> You mean MLO (x-loader)?
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[16:50:11] <smplman> xtec: yes, my bad
[16:51:04] <rcn-ee> xtec, that git repo, hasn't been updated since june 03, 2010.. you might be just better off building u-boot directly from u-boot git server..
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[17:01:09] <xtec> I grabbed the "latest" one. In fact I'm following only the default config (omap3_beagle_config) - with that I get only:
[17:01:19] <xtec> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.2 (Feb 19 2009 - 12:01:24)
[17:01:26] <xtec> Reading boot sector
[17:01:34] <xtec> Loading u-boot.bin from mmc
[17:01:38] <xtec> and that's it.
[17:01:54] <rcn-ee> xtec, X-Loader, has been replaced by u-boot's SPL...
[17:02:25] <jay6981> do you have u-boot.bin on there?
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[17:03:06] <xtec> yes, I uploaded it on fat partition of mmc.
[17:03:12] <xtec> (u-boot.bin)
[17:03:59] <rcn-ee> that I2C: ready message usually occurs while u-boot is probing the i2c bus for external hardware.. so he is in the u-boot.bin... but i don't remember which patch was needed to fix his current problem..
[17:04:13] <rcn-ee> but it was fixed in upstream u-boot..
[17:05:38] <xtec> right now it's the only file (u-boot.bin) I have on this partition.
[17:06:07] <jay6981> there's no MLO?
[17:06:14] <rcn-ee> probally in nand.. ;)
[17:06:22] <jay6981> ah
[17:06:27] <jay6981> nand... lovely
[17:07:00] <xtec> boot from nand works as it should - I tried to test the u-boot before I would flash the nand.
[17:07:09] <mdp> we never did have a proper burial for X-Loader
[17:07:32] <jay6981> when did it die?
[17:07:53] <rcn-ee> basicly with the v2011.12 u-boot release.. for most devices..
[17:08:21] <jay6981> nice
[17:09:18] <rcn-ee> xtec, basicly you have two problems.. Ancient MLO in nand, and your building u-boot from an old tree.. Which board do you have?
[17:09:34] <xtec> BeagleBoard C4
[17:09:41] <GrueMaster> koen: Can you approve me to the google beagleboar forum? Thx.
[17:10:18] <xtec> (red one)
[17:11:11] <juergen28> hello guys i have a question i am trying to connect a beagleboard-xm with a lilliput monitor 569GL-50NP/HO/Y which has hdmi
[17:11:13] <rcn-ee> xtec, if you want to just update it to the latest, follow the directions on this page, with the files located there: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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[17:11:56] <rcn-ee> (there's a big list of u-boot instructions that will walk you thru it..)
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[17:12:04] <juergen28> i changed the refresh rate and resolution at the uEnv.txt but still i dont have a signal
[17:13:04] <juergen28> on my big hdmi monitor is working fine
[17:13:42] <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee, howdy - used your instructions from http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone today. worked pretty well basically, but there are some typos and inaccuracies. care for some roundup on what i found, or rather not?
[17:14:53] <rcn-ee> yeah LetoThe2nd, i haven't mastered the art of commit changes to the upstream git repo and "any" wiki's at the same time.. ;) I'm working a few musb patches so will need to bump the build numbers on that wiki to today. . ;)
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[17:16:21] <rcn-ee> but i'll gladly take any fixes and push them. .;) i'm just trying to keep that site as simple as possible..
[17:17:45] <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee, no worries, just a fix things i noticed. not much of a showstopper for experienced users after all, but maybe for newbies.
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[17:19:12] <rcn-ee> I'll gladly take those too... Kinda have the experienced "fish eyes", so it's easy to miss something for newbies..
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[17:21:48] <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee, ok, will pour everything i noticed into some text tonight - where to dispose that?
[17:22:57] <rcn-ee> best place, any of the emails. ;) i think my digikey one is on there, otherwise my gmail one works fine too..
[17:23:09] <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee, ok.
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[17:24:57] <xtec> perfectly :( I bricked this.
[17:25:45] <xtec> silly me - I've uploaded u-boot.bin not the u-boot.img file and flashed it into the nand.
[17:26:03] <ogra_> you cant brick a beagle
[17:26:07] <xtec> now I have:
[17:26:09] <xtec> U-Boot SPL 2011.12-00010-ga3eb89c (Jan 29 2012 - 14:53:43)
[17:26:10] <thurbad> that won't brick a board, you can still recover
[17:26:14] <xtec> Texas Instruments Revision detection unimplemented
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[17:26:20] <xtec> Error: Bad compare! failed
[17:26:25] <ogra_> well, you can, but that involves spilling coffee over it or so
[17:26:27] <xtec> last one repeated number of times
[17:26:29] <mdp> ogra_: well, unless you bathe with it
[17:26:29] <rcn-ee> xtec, just stick the u-boot.img on sd card..
[17:26:41] <ogra_> mdp, indeed
[17:26:49] <rcn-ee> worst case, you just put both the MLO and u-boot.img and hold the user button..
[17:27:37] <xtec> rcn-ee, the page you mentioned about u-boot and MLO, there are 3 MLO files.
[17:28:10] <rcn-ee> and they are the exact same file.. Angstrom's build system just symlinks them to tag version info..
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[17:28:28] <xtec> ic
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[17:33:23] <xtec> strange, just like there is no difference I press "USER" or not, can all this be dependen on the power supply? (Im supplying it via USB-OTG)
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[17:33:46] <xtec> I even got u-boot.img from this Angstrom distribution mentioned
[17:35:15] <rcn-ee> then you may need to reformat the sd correctly... with the MLO and u-boot.img in the fat partition, when holding down the user button (then appyling power) it should boot of the sd card..
[17:38:31] <rcn-ee> xtec, here's a hint on my wiki page.. http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Partition_SD_Card (just the 4 commands listed is the minimal you'd need to setup the sd card..)
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[17:56:28] <smplman> rcn-ee: do you know why the stock ubuntu precise images boot to initramfs at the moment?
[17:56:46] <smplman> rcn-ee: on an xm
[17:57:16] <rcn-ee> smplman, that would occur if it didn't find the mmc card.. Which image (from what server, rcn-ee.net or ubuntu.com?)
[17:57:19] <xtec> Ok, I don't know what was wrong on my SD setup but reformated it once again step-by step and I booted up successfuly.
[17:57:44] <smplman> rcn-ee: your demo images boot fine, its the ubuntu.com one
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[17:58:38] <smplman> rcn-ee: also, do you have a script that builds and copies a cross compiled kernel to a sdcard?
[17:58:51] <rcn-ee> i wonder what happened.. what's the name of that one.. i'll download it and try it on my xm, then submit some bug reports..
[17:59:10] <GrueMaster> smplman: What issues are you seeing?
[17:59:31] <smplman> GrueMaster: on which image?
[17:59:38] <GrueMaster> Ubuntu.
[17:59:49] <rcn-ee> smplman, this one: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/blob/master/tools/load_uImage.sh it's very much tied to my cross script, but you can tweak it for anything really..
[17:59:51] <GrueMaster> I'm the ubuntu arm QA guy.
[18:00:13] <smplman> GrueMaster: ahh, precise beta 1
[18:00:16] <rcn-ee> smplman, the broken precise image, what was the file name..
[18:00:58] <smplman> rcn-ee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/beta-1/ubuntu-12.04-beta1-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap.img.gz
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[18:01:24] <GrueMaster> It should boot to initrd and run a few scripts to resize the rootfs, enable oem-config, and a few other steps prior to rebooting.
[18:01:24] <rcn-ee> downloading.. ;) will check it out too..
[18:01:38] <smplman> rcn-ee: yea your scripts are awesome
[18:02:05] <smplman> GrueMaster: thats when it fails, resizing rootfs then drops to initramfs
[18:02:10] <GrueMaster> Are you modifying the image?
[18:02:15] <smplman> negative
[18:02:17] <rcn-ee> thanks, but it's from feedback from users. ;)
[18:02:45] <smplman> the hard float stuff seems to be coming along nicely
[18:02:51] <GrueMaster> beagle, beaglexm?
[18:02:54] <smplman> xm
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[18:03:05] <SilicaGel> o/~ no static at allll o/~
[18:03:26] <GrueMaster> Hmmm.
[18:03:38] <GrueMaster> What size SD card are you using?
[18:03:47] <smplman> GrueMaster: 4gb
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[18:04:08] <Eric_> greetings, looking for some assistance for BeagleBone
[18:04:29] <GrueMaster> It sounds like somehow the image is corrupted on your SD.
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[18:04:55] <smplman> GrueMaster: i copied it twice to be sure, but i can try again when i get home tonight
[18:05:43] <GrueMaster> The way I image sd cards is "gunzip <ubuntu-12.04-beta1-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap.img.gz | sudo dd bs=4M of=/dev/sdf" (where sdf is my SD card reader).
[18:05:55] <Eric_> Rev A5, ethernet dies periodically, no specific intervals. I thought those issues were fixed in A5.. In case it was OS/SD related I wiped and put the angstrom demo image.
[18:06:07] <smplman> i also tried the daily build from about three days ago with the same thing
[18:06:12] <smplman> GrueMaster: thx, will try
[18:06:34] <GrueMaster> Some card readers seem to buffer writing, so make sure to let it sit for a few seconds after running the above dd.
[18:06:49] <rcn-ee> sync/eject helps too.
[18:06:58] <Eric_> about to try Ubuntu unless you guys have a better idea, maybe a defective SD card?
[18:07:52] <Eric_> nothing of interest in dmesg
[18:08:00] <rcn-ee> Eric_, the A4's didn't work at all.. something else is happening.. any chance when the ethernt dies, anything in dmesg..
[18:08:17] <xtec> rcn-ee, I tried to update NAND with MLO as well as u-boot, nand unlock seems to be deprecated?
[18:08:40] <Eric_> rcn-ee: see my msg, guess I read your mind, scary
[18:08:43] <GrueMaster> rcn-ee: I have a script that I run to flash my cards. It has sync twice, before sending me a notice that it is done. My reader still flashes write activity for ~5 seconds after that.
[18:08:53] <rcn-ee> xtec, about 5/6 of those instructions are, so just ignore them.. ;) u-boot likes to do that every release..
[18:09:23] <rcn-ee> GrueMaster, i do the same exact thing in all my scripts on github.com... double sync.. ;)
[18:09:47] <xtec> rcn-ee, can I do this process right when I booted up using "USER" button and the SD ?
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[18:10:59] <rcn-ee> xtec, sure.. the user button just forces you to use the MLO/u-boot.img from the sd card.. once u-boot is running (from either NAND/MMC) you can type those commands.. (they are just written for any possible u-boot.)
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[18:14:09] <GrueMaster> Hmm. Image worked fine here (well, except networking & audio).
[18:14:46] <xtec> rcn-ee, so after the last one "... bytes witten: OK" - can I just reboot the board with no SD card?
[18:15:02] <xtec> or maybe I shoudl do something more
[18:15:10] <xtec> before reboot
[18:15:14] <rcn-ee> xtec, yeap, after the last command it should boot without the sd card..
[18:15:37] <tholm> hi
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[18:16:13] <xtec> after the reset I get again Error: Bad compare! failed ... number of times - just like it wouldn't flash
[18:16:42] <xtec> (I'm following the steps from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/)
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[18:17:17] <tholm> rcn-ee: I bough a pandaboard , your demo file is working fine for that board?
[18:17:23] <rcn-ee> humm... that might be from the MLO..
[18:17:55] <rcn-ee> tholm, currently no audio, nor 3d graphics, nor video codecs... but otherwise it works great on both the panda/panda_es..
[18:18:21] <rcn-ee> (oh an use the dvi labeled connector.. the hdmi is planed for being default with 3.3)
[18:19:20] <xtec> when booting from NAND I see: U-Boot SPL 2011.12-00005-g0a44c98 (Feb 13 2012 - 18:49:45)
[18:19:33] <tholm> if i use a hdmi tv this wont work?
[18:19:40] <rcn-ee> xtec, i don't have my C4 with me at the moment.. so i couldn't verify this today.. ( i know it worked a weeks ago..) http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Upgrade_X-loader_and_U-boot (hence why i pointed to the angstrom site)
[18:20:30] <rcn-ee> tholm, it'll work fine.. there's two ports on the panda's.. with my image, only the dvi labled one (both hdmi connectors) gets the correct resolution..
[18:21:22] <tholm> ok
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[18:28:06] <rcn-ee> xtec, just tested with my oldest beagle b5 board, using the script right now is safe.. (it should use my 2011.12-r1 u-boot)
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[18:40:39] <xtec> rcn-ee, ok - I used that script and it flashed properly. Thank you.
[18:41:00] <rcn-ee> your welcome xtec.. ;)
[18:41:01] <xtec> the sequence is a bit different than the one shown on the Angstrom related site.
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[18:41:47] <rcn-ee> yeah it changed when X-loader was thrown out.. and i think i need to sync the wiki to what the internal script does too. (hw ec stuff changed)
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[18:42:39] <xtec> so to sum up - the best way to test my own u-boot.bin would be locating the MLO as well as my u-boot.bin on the fat partition and boot it using "USER" button?
[18:42:54] <xtec> *not u-boot.bin but u-boot.img
[18:43:05] <rcn-ee> exactly.. ;)
[18:43:06] <jay6981> easier than flashing the nand right?
[18:43:21] <rcn-ee> or what i tend to do "nand erase.chip" then it never boots of nand. .;)
[18:43:31] <jay6981> heh, there ya go
[18:43:50] <jay6981> what was the point of having nand anyways?
[18:44:09] <rcn-ee> then it's easy to always have the latest version on the MLO and in the field just swap sd cards to update..
[18:44:27] <rcn-ee> it's nice if you have the rootfs in there, then the mmc is just 2ndary storage..
[18:44:43] <jay6981> is it any faster than the SD?
[18:45:00] <smplman> it has to be, would be my guess
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[18:55:02] <mranostay> and why did u-boot.bin get changed to u-boot.img?
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[18:58:56] <b52> why would me bone reset without any reason?
[18:59:15] <djlewis> there is a drug to help with that ;)
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[19:01:53] <b52> let me rephrase my question
[19:02:15] <b52> why in hell does my beaglebone reset/reboot with no reason?
[19:02:19] <_av500_> djlewis: :)
[19:02:26] <jay6981> did you watch the serial console when it happened?
[19:02:31] <b52> yes
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[19:02:37] <ynezz> mranostay: u-boot spl?
[19:02:40] <b52> it just goes to the uboot
[19:02:56] <jay6981> power issues?
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[19:03:34] <mranostay> b52: usb powered or 5V power supply
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[19:04:43] <b52> plugged in both
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[19:05:28] <b52> if i only plug in the 5v power supply the power led repeatingly flashes
[19:05:44] <woglinde> this sounds like RMA
[19:05:48] <woglinde> hw broken
[19:06:16] <rcn-ee> watchdog going off?
[19:06:23] <b52> rcn-ee: ?
[19:06:27] <b52> woglinde: whats RMA ?
[19:06:48] <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee, are there some super-security configuration settings for ssh in your images?
[19:07:17] <rcn-ee> no, ssh ubuntu@address or ssh debian@address should work..
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[19:08:08] <rcn-ee> i tried to set it as simple as possible.. just so i could quickly ssh in from a test machine.. so .pub keys are needed..
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[19:08:48] <LetoThe2nd> either i get a connection refused, or a certainly correct password fails.
[19:09:44] <b52> btw which ethernet driver is modprobe'd for the beaglebone `?
[19:09:54] <rcn-ee> strange.. fires up the test image i was working with last night..
[19:10:56] <b52> could someone do a
[19:11:08] <LetoThe2nd> i guess i'm doing something stupid. the box gets ip 192.168.4.98 from a statically configured dhcp server.
[19:11:08] <b52> `lsmod` on its beaglebone for me plz
[19:11:31] <LetoThe2nd> b52, not much use, empty here ;)
[19:11:33] <rcn-ee> LetoThe2nd, http://pastebin.com/sCyTqbu8 (seems to be working..) unless the generate key already matches a key in your system..
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[19:12:01] <rcn-ee> b52, sorry builtin on my images. ;)
[19:12:45] <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee, just removed known_hosts, still connection refused.
[19:12:55] <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee, i can ping the box, though.
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[19:15:40] <ds2> I wonder what a theoretical O2 animal board would sell for since even that is a mile ahead of the berry desert board
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[19:16:21] <jay6981> connection refused means nothing bound to port
[19:16:41] <LetoThe2nd> .. somethings going on with old xchat here.
[19:16:46] <ds2> not necessarily
[19:16:55] <ds2> connection refused could mean iptables at work
[19:16:56] <jay6981> or firewall setup to send rst
[19:18:13] <LetoThe2nd> how comes then that from one particular machine i get the login prompt (that fails), and from all others "connection refused?"
[19:18:27] <b52> LetoThe2nd: there should still be a module loaded
[19:18:53] <LetoThe2nd> b52: certainly no.
[19:19:01] <jay6981> LetoThe2nd: depending on the source ip it either connects or doesn't? gotta be firewall right?
[19:20:44] <b52> LetoThe2nd: how do you use ur phy without a driver?
[19:21:01] <LetoThe2nd> mom please
[19:21:10] <rcn-ee> b52, if it's built-in vs a module, you aren't going to see it with lsmod..
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[19:31:07] <b52> is it possible o interfere with the gpio driver directly using C ?
[19:31:37] <b52> or do i have to use the /sys/class/gpio nodes?
[19:31:49] <Russ> that isn't mutually exclusive
[19:32:03] <Russ> you can interface directly to the /sys/class/gpio nodes using C
[19:32:39] <b52> i dont mean by using open, write, read ... etc.
[19:32:49] <Russ> why not?
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[19:33:15] <mdp> sure, you can mmap /dev/mem and screw everything up
[19:33:35] <b52> thought the driver supports a neat wrapper using ioctl or something similiar
[19:33:35] <Russ> don't encourage him mdp
[19:33:47] <mdp> I know???bad practice
[19:33:53] <Russ> b52, why is write different than ioctl to you?
[19:33:55] <mdp> b52, what is neat about ioctl?
[19:33:59] <mdp> :)
[19:34:39] <Russ> read/write is a better interface in the gpio case because you get control over read/write permissions
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[19:35:34] <b52> [root@alarm ~]# [ 1613.003143] PHY: 0:00 - Link is Down gnah :X
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[19:38:46] <mdp> b52, use something like https://github.com/mrshu/GPIOlib and you don't need to worry about the low level api
[19:38:53] <mdp> ultimately that's what everybody duplicates for their projects
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[19:39:53] <_av500_> the channel cheers
[19:40:06] <LetoThe2nd> its really strange. i can ping the bone, but whatever higher level communication i try, it fails/is refused.
[19:40:34] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: you burned another one?
[19:40:48] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: hey, you saw the red applause lights? ;)
[19:41:08] <LetoThe2nd> nah, no burning today.
[19:41:46] <Russ> are you sure its the bone?
[19:42:11] <LetoThe2nd> pretty much.
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[19:42:56] <LetoThe2nd> gonna try another ip mapping
[19:43:34] <b52> mdp: kk
[19:43:40] <b52> would have written my own ;P
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[19:46:18] <LetoThe2nd> ok. there is something fishy here with the ip addresses.
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[19:52:50] <b52> is my understanding of how to connect an lcd screen correct: get an lcd screen with 24wires, connect them somehow to the bone, write a driver to make the lcd usable to the system as a visual output device?
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[19:58:21] <ds2> write proper kernel drivers!!!
[19:58:38] <ds2> chuck gpiolib
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[20:00:05] <mdp> kkeller and I had this discussion..pretty much the same one over his bonescript display stuff
[20:00:28] <mdp> ds2, the generally the camp I fall into since I know how to do it
[20:00:36] <mdp> s/the/that's/
[20:01:14] <ds2> if you are exporting everything from the kernel, you might as well start using NO_MMU
[20:02:03] <mdp> b52, read the datasheet/trm for am335x for how to interface???.google linux framebuffer drivers for the software side
[20:02:06] <mdp> s/google/bing/
[20:02:33] <ds2> or just read the sources
[20:02:58] <mdp> except for misleading information in the TRM about LCD stuff, it's mostly understandable
[20:03:09] <ds2> the entire process is - add timing, sit back and enjoy video
[20:03:34] <mdp> it's easier to watch youtube videos of other people that do this stuff though...
[20:03:42] <ds2> :)
[20:03:54] <mdp> and just relax with your beer knowing that it's already been done
[20:04:18] <djlewis> or buy the beagleboards with dvi out and save the work.
[20:04:49] <mdp> or support the cape market???buy 8 different lcd cape designs
[20:04:52] <ds2> for the classic boards, I can provide a pre-canned solution ;)
[20:05:02] <djlewis> there ya go :)
[20:05:26] <ds2> blah... skip the caps...just build expansion boards ;)
[20:05:33] <ds2> capes
[20:05:41] <mdp> let's do "boosterpacks"
[20:07:05] <ds2> *cough* 430 *cough*
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[20:08:21] <mdp> real nommu
[20:08:28] <b52> these 15pages of timing diagrames are the total manual for the lcd stuff? oO
[20:09:02] * ds2 waits for someone to try to fit a 430 booster pack on to an am33x board ;)
[20:09:17] <mdp> ds2, already in process
[20:09:48] <ds2> I see.
[20:09:56] <mdp> "stupid bone tricks"
[20:10:06] <ds2> bad to the bone?
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[20:14:48] <b52> whats a good simple lcd panel with 24wires?
[20:15:07] <ds2> a nice mono panel
[20:15:20] <ds2> with lots lots of grounds
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[20:28:48] <Eric_> guys, anybody with an A5 and ethernet issues?
[20:28:48] <alan_o> Anyone done networking in u-boot with a beagle bone?
[20:29:01] <alan_o> Eric_: maybe :)
[20:29:10] <alan_o> it works from Linux
[20:29:15] <Eric_> what are your symptoms? :D
[20:29:26] <alan_o> I can do NFS root from Linux, but can't seem to do networking from u-boot
[20:29:35] <alan_o> I'm not a u-boot expert so I'm sure I'm doing something wrong
[20:29:50] <alan_o> I want to load the kernel from NFS as well as the Root FS
[20:30:13] <jay6981> does uboot support nfs?
[20:30:18] <alan_o> Supposed to
[20:30:22] <alan_o> has an NFS command
[20:30:32] <alan_o> most of what I read has it doing TFTP for my use case
[20:30:36] <Eric_> and you tested your ifs server I presume :D
[20:30:41] <Eric_> nfs sry
[20:30:44] <alan_o> yeah
[20:30:59] <alan_o> like I said, I can do NFS root FS from Linux
[20:31:02] <alan_o> once the kernel is loaded
[20:31:06] <alan_o> so all that part works
[20:31:09] <jay6981> most people use tftp to do what you want to do
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[20:31:10] <alan_o> I can't even ping from u-boot
[20:31:20] <alan_o> jay6981: yeah, that's most of what I see
[20:31:28] <alan_o> but I'm just so lazy :)
[20:31:34] <alan_o> http://billforums.station51.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17
[20:31:39] <alan_o> That guy does NFS kernel
[20:31:45] <alan_o> that's what I'm trying to do
[20:31:52] <Eric_> never done NFS via u-boot yet, I can't keep my beagle bone A5 up long enough to accomplish that.. I get ethernet dropping out periodically, anybody have that problem?
[20:32:02] <alan_o> acutally, I'm not thinking that TFTP would work either, since I can't bing from u-boot
[20:32:21] <alan_o> Eric_: I haven't had mine long enough to be able to tell you
[20:32:40] <Eric_> trying u-boot may be helpful in ruling out the distro for me though, I wish I had it here at this moment
[20:32:57] <alan_o> I did notice that if I connect to ttyUSB0 that if I send any characters at all it reboots the system
[20:33:13] <Eric_> what is your rev of the board?
[20:33:29] <alan_o> not sure if ttyUSB0 is the JTAG debugger or something. I know the JTAG is there somewhere. like I said, I'm just getting going with the actual board
[20:33:34] <alan_o> should be A5
[20:33:44] <Eric_> it's written on the box :D
[20:33:47] <alan_o> That's what the website said
[20:33:50] <alan_o> oh, true
[20:34:04] <alan_o> box confirms A5
[20:34:12] <Eric_> the USB exposes 2 lines, depending on your host OS, will be /dev/usbserial.sjhdjakhdkA or B
[20:34:14] <Eric_> pick B
[20:34:33] <alan_o> yeah
[20:34:39] <alan_o> /dev/ttyUSB1 for me for the console
[20:34:43] <alan_o> you look to be using a Mac :)
[20:34:46] <Eric_> dunno what the other one is for but threw me off too
[20:34:54] <Eric_> guilty :D
[20:35:09] <ka6sox> SilicaGel ping?
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[20:35:42] <woglinde> hi ka6sox
[20:35:42] <Eric_> did you opkg update/upgrade it?
[20:36:13] <alan_o> Eric_: I just got an image off the website
[20:36:17] <schichtarbeiter> Wow. So many beaglers in here! Just powered mine up...
[20:36:19] <alan_o> Eric_: fairly stock right now
[20:36:29] <woglinde> schichtarbeiter o.O
[20:36:57] <Eric_> alan_o: try pinging it for a while, see if ethernet dies on you
[20:37:19] <alan_o> I'll give it a go
[20:37:20] <Eric_> mine suddenly goes from 1ms to 600ms then drops for 10min then back on
[20:37:27] <alan_o> but right now it's sitting at the u-boot prompt
[20:37:49] <ka6sox> hi woglinde
[20:37:51] <Eric_> I imaged twice to the A5 shipping image, pulling my hair out and about to stick Ubunto on it
[20:37:54] <ka6sox> back from holiday
[20:39:22] <Eric_> ubuntu :S
[20:40:05] <jay6981> americans don't go on holiday :P
[20:40:28] <prpplague> indeed
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[20:41:35] <b52> Could not probe the EEPROM; something fundamentally wrong on the I2C bus.
[20:41:36] <b52> read_eeprom() failure
[20:41:45] <b52> whats that supposed to mean Oo
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[20:45:46] <SilicaGel> ka6sox: i'm here!
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[20:48:07] <schichtarbeiter> wow. this thing runs perfectly out of the box... Rev. A5 / Angstrom
[20:48:39] <xtec> I have additional question - UART related. I have setup with debian 5.0 and 2.6.32.8 kernel that lets me use ttyS1 and ttyS2. I had to upgrade the kernel to 3.2.9 and using that I see some strange behaviour of ttyO2. When I connect to this tty with minicom, only one character is being passed. I can send OR receive only one character. In bootargs (uEnv.txt) I have console=null, system messages are not printed on ttyO2. When I quit the mi
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[20:49:28] <xtec> I have to wait up to 30 secs to get the shell prompt.
[20:49:30] <rcn-ee> xtec, there's an omap bug in 3.2.9.. what does uname -a report?
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[20:49:40] <ka6sox> SilicaGel nice work on PRUSS while I've been on holiday :D
[20:49:54] <rcn-ee> s/omap/serial/g
[20:50:11] <xtec> Linux debian 3.2.9 #1 Mon March 5 12:20:27 CET 2012 armv71 GNU/Linux
[20:50:12] <SilicaGel> :)
[20:50:30] <SilicaGel> Yeah, I've been busy, and made some progress. Tried to document it to be helpful to others
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[20:51:57] <b52> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/563042/ why does it keep resetting :'(
[20:52:08] <rcn-ee> xtec, revert this commit: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=aa0eb3474beae8f6d9dcc2311dc02bea50cfd7b7 (breaks serial on omaps)
[20:55:54] <xtec> so maybe I should try different kernel version? :) I'm not really tied to this one (although this one is the first one that I managed to have "working".
[20:56:24] <rcn-ee> xtec, it's a pretty new regression, 3.2.8 is fine.. so it was just in the 3.2.9 patchset..
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[20:57:59] <xtec> Ok, I'll try, thank you again rcn-ee, I owe you at minimum a bear :)
[20:58:30] <LetoThe2nd> \o/ ip troubles sorted out
[20:58:38] <rcn-ee> no problem, was bisecting that one last night.. it tripped me up too.. it's been talked about al ittle on l-o there is a mainline fix, so 3.2.10 should be fine..
[20:59:45] <ka6sox> SilicaGel where is that doco?
[20:59:57] <SilicaGel> various postings on the beagleboard mailing list, mostly
[21:00:55] <ka6sox> so are you planning on putting it on the e-linux wiki too?
[21:01:03] <ka6sox> thats kind of a good place to put it all.
[21:01:19] <SilicaGel> hmmmm i could
[21:03:18] <ka6sox> we already have a section on RT "hardware" assist stuff including some PRUSS information
[21:03:49] <funkster> i come from a desktop linux world so have a Q: if i was to buy a beagleboard and some of the senors like heat or moisture, i would connect it to beagleboard and how would I access the data these senors feedback to beagle board?
[21:04:28] <ka6sox> funkster, depends on what sensors you use
[21:04:39] <ka6sox> they can be i2c or SPI or parallel or whatever.
[21:04:52] <ka6sox> most are i2c it seems these days.
[21:05:15] <funkster> if they are i2c whats the process of accessing that data? sorry im new
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[21:05:54] <ka6sox> there are drivers for i2c
[21:06:15] <ka6sox> and libraries to use them as well.
[21:06:22] <funkster> ahh ok
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[21:21:54] <toofar> Anyone ever seen a gige PHY fail to auto negotiate on a number of short cables but succeed on a 100ft cable?
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[21:24:36] <unsolo> bah does set_gpio_value work in twl4030_gpio_init ?
[21:27:06] * unsolo would guess it should..
[21:27:34] <unsolo> i get the resource set the direction then set the output
[21:27:40] <unsolo> nothing comes out tho ;)
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[21:30:17] <GrueMaster> toofar: Actually, yes. I used to do network testing at Intel.
[21:30:36] <toofar> Is this a layout issue with respect to the PHY on my board?
[21:30:42] <unsolo> anyone know the price of a trace32 ?
[21:30:56] <unsolo> for cortex-A probably
[21:31:04] <toofar> I know the short cables work fine, I've tried several, just in combination with this PHY/board it falls back to 100 Mb/s
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[21:34:29] <ka6sox> toofar, how "short" are you talking about?
[21:34:45] <toofar> Tried 1 foot - 6 foot cables
[21:34:54] <toofar> no go, and if I plug in a 100 foot cable it works
[21:35:01] <toofar> tried CAT5E, CAT6
[21:35:15] <toofar> verified the short cables work on other devices with the same switches and they do
[21:35:26] <toofar> so it has gotta be my custom board + Phy combination
[21:37:14] <toofar> GrueMaster: is there a special name or somethign related to this that I can google? I can't find anything with what I've been trying
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[21:39:00] <GrueMaster> I wonder if it is related to the latest issues with the raspberry pi? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/781
[21:39:43] <toofar> no... not a raspberry pi -- thank god
[21:39:53] <toofar> magnetics are external in my case
[21:40:22] <woglinde> wrong channel for rpi
[21:41:20] <dwery> I want "magnetics" on my RPi shirt :D
[21:42:13] <toofar> Rpi is all hype
[21:42:18] <ds2> give up on ethernet!
[21:43:17] <toofar> I wonder if it's because these stupid switches have a "green mode"
[21:44:02] <dwery> green? the last time I saw green on electronics, it failed in a couple of days
[21:44:05] <dwery> it was a caviar...
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[21:45:12] <GrueMaster> toofar: Could be possible that the green feature is causing issues. I wouldn't know.
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[21:52:43] <Crofton> ok, sounds like we will take a day trip to see cebit on Saturday
[21:53:40] <xtec> Just to confirm - indeed on kernel 3.2.8 UARTS work as designed. \o/
[21:55:13] <SilicaGel> are you asking us to confirm this, or are you telling us taht you confirmed this?
[21:55:52] <xtec> sorry for not being precise - I'm telling that I confirm that.
[21:56:13] <xtec> I've lost several days so right now I'm happy as a child.
[21:57:25] <smplman> happier than the first time you ran startx and actually got something to show up on the screen?
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[21:58:35] <xtec> smplman - good one :)
[21:58:57] <woglinde> Crofton I will be not there
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[21:59:24] <Crofton> I assume it is worth seeing, at least once :)
[21:59:36] <woglinde> yeah tons of people
[22:00:51] <Crofton> do you know if they ahve an open source porject area this year?
[22:01:04] <woglinde> yes they have
[22:01:15] <woglinde> let me find it
[22:02:47] <woglinde> hm only german
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[22:05:16] <unsolo> aren't the uarts the same as on a omap..
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[22:06:04] <Dananone> hi, I'm having this error: main: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.26: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:06:30] <Dananone> when I execute the executable in the board
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[22:08:42] <Dananone> ?
[22:10:43] <SilicaGel> it's still nice to hear that they work!
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[22:14:15] <ka6sox> hiya davest
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[22:15:44] <unsolo> SilicaGel: indeed
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[22:17:04] <unsolo> btw if you want to force the otg to host (omap3/dm37) do you leave the id floating or do you ground it or is it a "don't care" thing ?
[22:17:24] <unsolo> well basically thats all in the tps65959
[22:17:30] <unsolo> -9 +0
[22:17:38] <funkster> anyone suggest a known to work good board camera for beaglebone?
[22:18:08] <funkster> was looking at leapard imaging cameras
[22:18:30] <unsolo> funkster: i was never able to get a good picture out from it.
[22:18:46] <unsolo> tbh any usb camera would do a better job.
[22:19:19] <funkster> yeah im going to look into a small usb camera - hopesully i can buy a few without case
[22:19:21] <unsolo> but this was the "fixed" lens version
[22:19:51] <unsolo> beware that the usb performance will limit you .. at least thats my experience
[22:20:10] <funkster> what did it limit exactly, just speed?
[22:20:19] <unsolo> well that was my experience
[22:20:39] <unsolo> but i recon connecting the camera on the otg may bring better results
[22:20:55] <funkster> yeah im going to look into doing that
[22:21:11] <funkster> unsolo: you using any usb wifi's?
[22:21:30] <unsolo> funkster: nope.
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[22:32:34] <ynezz> omg, that hype is really serious, rpi spotted on Lua mailing list
[22:34:54] <_av500_> run!
[22:35:11] <ynezz> where?
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[22:50:58] <unsolo> _av500_: basica doesnt work in my irssi
[22:51:45] * djlewis has been looking at usb cams without case and they cost a bit more :(
[22:51:58] <unsolo> oO
[22:52:34] <unsolo> actually a ps3eye cam does very well with the TI gstreamer plugin
[22:52:52] <unsolo> response time is great but the resolution not as good
[22:53:47] <djlewis> i've played with little $18 gspca webcams
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[22:55:49] <unsolo> cool thing in the ps3eye is wide and narrow mode + 320x240@60Hz for "other purposes"
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[22:56:33] <unsolo> guess the xbox camera thing can probably be used too
[22:56:46] <unsolo> (expensive hw for little $ )
[22:57:39] <mranostay> please tell me none you are going to end up on the 6 o clock news :)
[22:59:33] <Russ> better hurry, only one hour left
[22:59:40] <ka6sox> Post Office wall.
[23:02:35] <mranostay> do criminals avoid buying stamps i wonder
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