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  • [00:05:25] <jay6981> samm: that's good, sounds like the board is up and running. you just have an issue with your serial setup
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  • [00:22:16] <asdasd> hi. Does anyone know what header part is used for the Main Expansion Header (female) - the one comes presoldered to the board? I tried purchasing a 2x14 pin header but the header was too lose for our trainer-xm
  • [00:24:28] <prpplague> asdasd: why are you using a trainer-xm with a revC board?
  • [00:24:55] <prpplague> asdasd: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=SLW-114-01-G-D is the part number
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  • [00:27:43] <asdasd> thanks!
  • [00:28:23] <prpplague> asdasd: you really should have ordered the standard trainer, it would have come with the correct connector for you to solder onto the revC board
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  • [00:55:22] <asdasd> the item listed is backordered on digikey. Is there an alternative that would fit as well?
  • [00:59:13] <prpplague> asdasd: it is a Value added product, they make it when you order
  • [00:59:19] <prpplague> asdasd: they have the parts in stock to make it
  • [00:59:32] <prpplague> asdasd: why did you not order a trainer board instead of the trainer-xm?
  • [01:01:19] <asdasd> we are working with both the beagleboard and pandaboard
  • [01:01:28] <asdasd> we need the header for the panda
  • [01:02:23] <asdasd> Also, does the usb otg connect to the same usb root hub?
  • [01:04:53] <prpplague> asdasd: the trainer and trainer-xm are not 100% compatible with the pandaboard
  • [01:05:08] <prpplague> asdasd: unless you are doing some specific modifications to the trainer
  • [01:06:34] <asdasd> Most of the work done is on the atmega on the board. We will simply be using the gpio
  • [01:06:53] <asdasd> for the trainer-xm to pandaboard interface
  • [01:07:39] <prpplague> asdasd: like i said, it isn't 100% compatible so you won't get all the gpio's directly from the pandaboard for use with the trainer
  • [01:07:43] <prpplague> asdasd: jsut fyi
  • [01:09:17] <prpplague> asdasd: you can white wire the extra gpios over from the secondary header of the pandaboard if you want
  • [01:10:46] <asdasd> I see. We will try that if we run out of gpios to use.
  • [01:12:04] <asdasd> One of our current issues is with the uvc camera drivers - it does not allow for more than 1 usb cam to stream at a time. We have tried patching the uvcdriver, and suggestions/workarounds without avail
  • [01:12:31] <asdasd> We were wondering if the usb otg was on another usb root hub so we could use a second usb cam
  • [01:27:43] <asdasd> hazaaa, problem fixed. Thanks prpplague.
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  • [02:09:08] <OrlandoT> what does MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake systemd-image do?
  • [02:09:22] <OrlandoT> does that build the kernel and the root file system?
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  • [02:49:09] <ds2> 6
  • [02:50:10] <prpplague> 5
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  • [04:03:39] <mranostay> 4!
  • [04:04:22] <prpplague> 3!!
  • [04:04:43] <cwillu> 2!??
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  • [04:34:42] <OrlandoT> 1!?
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  • [04:35:22] <mranostay> lift off?
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  • [05:14:05] <jungleboy> can anybody help me getting started with the beagle board?
  • [05:15:52] <jungleboy> i need to use it in a robot controlled via wifi
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  • [05:25:18] <jungleboy> can anybody help me getting started with the beagle board? i need to use it in a robot controlled via wifi
  • [05:26:20] <hitlin37> follow beagle board homepage
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  • [05:31:29] <jungleboy> i wanted to know if development can be done completely on the serial link to a host computer...without attaching ny monitors or other io devices to the beaglebord
  • [05:34:16] <mranostay> jungleboy: yes of course
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  • [05:37:10] <jungleboy> also...i want to stream videos from my robot via the wifi kink to a laptop......what do i need to do for this?
  • [05:37:23] <jungleboy> wifi *link
  • [05:38:54] <mranostay> well a camera and a wifi link
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  • [05:43:09] <jungleboy> how would i program this?
  • [05:43:19] <jungleboy> is opencv a good choice?
  • [05:47:26] <dm8tbr> webcam streaming is a solved problem under linux in general
  • [05:48:10] <dm8tbr> you may need to adjust stream parameters to not overload the cpu
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  • [08:07:41] <fiveofoh> Hey all, noob back. I got an LED blinking via the command line (yay!) and my cross compiler at least partially set up (yay!) but when I copy the compiled program to my BB xM, it shows up in an ls, etc, but when I try to run it with ./gpio_test, it just returns "file not found" :/
  • [08:07:50] <fiveofoh> Which seems a very strange error to me
  • [08:08:43] <fiveofoh> Running file on it gives me this: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped
  • [08:09:18] <fiveofoh> Hmm, which my BB gives a uname of 2.6.32, I don't know if that will break things or not
  • [08:13:56] <ds2> is your libraries the same on your xM as your x-compile system?
  • [08:13:58] <ds2> if not, fix that
  • [08:14:13] <fiveofoh> I'm not sure if I've got my cc environment set up correctly, but I installed CodeSourcery and am using -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 with the $(SYSROOT) vars as the CodeSourcery docs told me tod
  • [08:14:52] <fiveofoh> I'm not sure how to tell. I'm using the libc from CodeSourcery as my sysroot
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  • [08:15:34] <ds2> and your board has?
  • [08:15:56] <fiveofoh> This is my makefile http://pastebin.com/sQEkX7VQ
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  • [08:16:05] <fiveofoh> It's running Angstrom
  • [08:16:14] <ds2> recent angstrom?
  • [08:16:15] <fiveofoh> So it's using the Angstrom libc, I suppose
  • [08:16:25] <fiveofoh> Whatever came with rev c4
  • [08:16:27] * fiveofoh checks
  • [08:16:30] <ds2> or ancient angstrom setup to use CS?
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  • [08:16:45] <ds2> RevC4 normally doesn't ship with anything unless you bought it from SC
  • [08:17:31] <fiveofoh> err sorry
  • [08:17:41] <fiveofoh> It's an xM, rev C
  • [08:17:45] <fiveofoh> Not a BB rev C4
  • [08:17:45] <ds2> Oh
  • [08:17:53] <ds2> those are not setup for CS
  • [08:18:11] <fiveofoh> What *are* they set up for?
  • [08:18:13] <ds2> so either change your compiler to use the right libaries, use the ANgstrom SDK stuff, or change your libs on the target
  • [08:18:26] <ds2> someversion of plain GCC of non CS lineage
  • [08:18:32] <fiveofoh> That sounds good to me
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  • [08:18:47] <fiveofoh> Should I just hunt for cross-compiling on Angstrom then?
  • [08:19:12] <ds2> yes... Angstrom should be able to generate the a SDK package with the x-compilers stuff
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  • [08:19:25] <ds2> not sure if the online builder does that...someone else will have to comment
  • [08:19:26] <fiveofoh> Angstrom armv7 toolchain
  • [08:19:34] <fiveofoh> Looks like that's what I want
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  • [08:19:42] <ds2> looks reasonable
  • [08:20:29] <ds2> 'k... it is 0020, will probally drop off
  • [08:20:40] <fiveofoh> Hokay, off to set up a new toolchain
  • [08:20:48] <fiveofoh> Thanks though! This sounds like it should be helpful :)
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  • [08:20:59] <fiveofoh> Good night
  • [08:21:59] <_tasslehoff_> I've seen a couple of "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (smsc95xx): transmit queue 0 timed out" on my 2.6.39 kernel over the last few days. It was during automatic testing, but probably happened during semi-high network load with high cpu-load. Anyone seen a patch for such an issue?
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  • [08:44:43] <fiveofoh> Woohoo!
  • [08:44:44] <fiveofoh> Blinking light
  • [08:44:45] <fiveofoh> !
  • [08:44:49] <fiveofoh> Thanks, ds2 :)
  • [08:44:59] <fiveofoh> The angstrom toolchain did the trick
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  • [08:45:11] <fiveofoh> Now that I can compile things, it's time to get things actually working :P
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  • [08:47:30] <av500> koen: so in the end psp + patches is more secure than a kernel on GH :)
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  • [08:56:08] <MrTea> Hu everyone! Say please how can I debug my BB Rev B4. I have eclipse, JLink, usb and serial connection with board
  • [08:56:22] <av500> printf?
  • [08:58:30] <MrTea> I hope that there are another way, more suitable for bare metal programming
  • [08:58:35] <MrTea> or no?
  • [08:59:00] <av500> bare metal?
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  • [09:01:20] <MrTea> I mean work witrh board on low level, like developing bootloaders
  • [09:02:41] <av500> jtag could help
  • [09:06:23] <MrTea> but can I use my jlink for it? i met diff decisions (dsteram and ds-5, TinCanTools etc), but nothing aboyt using jlink adapters
  • [09:07:09] <av500> if the A8 is supported...
  • [09:11:31] <av500> MrTea: I would ask the provider of your jlink if cortexA8 and/or omap3 is supported
  • [09:12:53] <MrTea> cortex a8 is supported
  • [09:13:50] <av500> so?
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  • [09:15:15] <MrTea> so as now I need to connect it right with eclipse
  • [09:15:29] <av500> #eclipse then
  • [09:16:09] <MrTea> but really i dont know how
  • [09:16:19] <av500> neither do I :)
  • [09:17:15] <MrTea> ok, thanks)
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  • [09:24:47] <Gaxx> Hello. I have a rev B4 beagleboard with angstrom and I'm trying to establish a usbnetwork witm my PC(ubuntu). I powered BB via power jack, connected via serial port and usb. When I open interface configuration on my BB, it shows local loopback and usb0. When i do the same on my PC, it only shows eth0(current working ethernet interface), local loopback and wlan)
  • [09:25:20] <Gaxx> What should I do to make usb0 an active inteface on my PC?
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  • [10:33:07] <koen> mru: it's funny how conversations with ARM developers quickly turn to "Hey, do you know Mans?"
  • [10:36:21] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [10:51:32] <LetoThe2nd> oO( how comes prpplague is awake now?)
  • [10:53:24] <av500> insomnia
  • [10:53:54] <av500> and a better chance to order an rpi
  • [10:54:14] <LetoThe2nd> *sing* i can't get no sleep
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  • [11:02:45] <Gaxx> Hello again. I need to install gdb on my rev B4 beagleboard. How to do it, if my BB is not connected to network? Are there any step-by-step instructions?
  • [11:04:32] <koen> 1) connect it to a network
  • [11:04:34] <koen> or
  • [11:04:41] <koen> 2) include gdb with narcissus
  • [11:04:42] <koen> or
  • [11:04:49] <koen> 3) download image that already has gdb
  • [11:07:40] <Gaxx> Thanks. It seems that I'll have to set up network anyway.
  • [11:07:58] <Gaxx> Could very well do it now
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  • [11:08:41] <_tasslehoff_> koen: there are some scripts/setup that's only ran the first time angstrom starts, right?
  • [11:09:54] * _tasslehoff_ tries to find out why his hwclock gets messed up after installing a new image
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  • [11:26:01] * _tasslehoff_ blames /etc/timestamp
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  • [11:35:47] <koen> _tasslehoff_: /etc/timestamp gets read on each boot, it should only reset the clock is timestamp is newer than the current date
  • [11:36:21] <koen> _tasslehoff_: there were some recent changes to the format in oe-core, I need to check if that didn't break things
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  • [11:46:55] <_tasslehoff_> koen: I'm on oe-classic. running on rootfs1 I extract a new upgrade to a rootfs2 partition. that one has a timestamp from 1 march (when I created to rootfs), and it seems to be used.
  • [11:47:25] <_tasslehoff_> bah. that ended up being confusing :)
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  • [12:18:02] <_tasslehoff_> and now I can't reproduce it, so probably user error yet again
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  • [12:29:03] <mru> try reproducing the user
  • [12:29:30] <mru> see also xkcd 583
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  • [13:05:33] <av500> the congopad: http://www.vmktech.com/
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  • [13:09:21] <mru> what a useless device
  • [13:11:47] <LetoThe2nd> reminds me of congatec, who always ahd bodypainting models on trade fairs during their early years.
  • [13:13:13] <jkridner> gm all
  • [13:13:57] <mru> LetoThe2nd: that seems much more useful
  • [13:14:05] <jkridner> anyone know how to forward people back to #beagle?
  • [13:14:17] <jkridner> anyone know how to forward people back to #beagle?
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  • [13:14:28] <LetoThe2nd> mru: yes, i totally agree.
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  • [13:17:07] <stefan88_15> hi all
  • [13:18:32] <_tasslehoff_> nah, there it happened again. http://pastebin.com/CkbUNHdR. looks like it sometimes fails, and uses the old /etc/timestamp from the upgrade package instead.
  • [13:19:06] <stefan88_15> i'm trying to natively compile a kernel module for an Angstrom distribution
  • [13:19:11] <koen> _tasslehoff_: /etc/timestamp is added by OE (or narcissus), not via a package
  • [13:19:16] <stefan88_15> but i had no succes until now
  • [13:19:23] <koen> stefan88_15: right, cross compile it
  • [13:19:50] <stefan88_15> it is just a module, i don't wanna use oe and stuff :)
  • [13:20:06] <koen> fine, suit yourself
  • [13:20:30] <_tasslehoff_> koen: I meant *my* package, and by package I meant rootfs.tar.bz2 :)
  • [13:20:31] <stefan88_15> so, it can't be done natively?
  • [13:21:10] <koen> stefan88_15: sure it can, it's just stupid
  • [13:21:17] <_tasslehoff_> which has an /etc/timestamp added by OE
  • [13:22:08] <stefan88_15> koen: why is it stupid?:)
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  • [13:22:49] <LetoThe2nd> oO( if you have to ask why compiling natively is stupid, you are not an... ;) )
  • [13:23:11] <stefan88_15> i've installed kernel-headers but it seams that files like init.h, module.h etc are not pressent
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  • [13:23:53] <stefan88_15> Leto: it is a simple <100line module for pwm, how long do u think it will take compiling it?
  • [13:24:27] <stefan88_15> or there is something else and i don;t get your irony?
  • [13:24:32] <LetoThe2nd> stefan88_15: a) think about tabcompletion to write my name. then highlighting will work. b) that was an insider joke.
  • [13:27:07] <stefan88_15> right, thx for your help
  • [13:27:51] <LetoThe2nd> you're welcome :)
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  • [13:36:08] <_tasslehoff_> hm. I actually insert the rtc-twl.ko in the beginning of hwclock.sh, so I suspect a race condition here.
  • [13:36:49] <_tasslehoff_> so, user error again, just a bit more advanced than I thought
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  • [13:40:38] <av500> _tasslehoff_: you are getting more advanced
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  • [13:46:07] <koen> _tasslehoff_: I'd recommend building in the rtc-twl module
  • [13:46:23] <_tasslehoff_> koen: already in progress :)
  • [13:46:29] <koen> _tasslehoff_: that way the kernel takes care of a lof of rtc details
  • [13:48:34] <ant_work> koen: iirc udev had issues with rtc not as module
  • [13:49:04] <ant_work> well, just some fail-log, anything serious
  • [13:50:15] <koen> I'm quite sure that's only with old udevs :)
  • [13:50:39] <koen> kay told me to build it in statically last year
  • [13:50:44] <koen> and he's the udev maintainer
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  • [13:53:42] <stefan88_15> ok, so i'm gonna use OE for cross-compiling my module
  • [13:53:59] <stefan88_15> first, i have to built the kernel, right? (bitbake virtual/kernel)
  • [13:55:54] <stefan88_15> any idea how long this takes?
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  • [14:02:17] <spow> hey. the beaglebone system reference says the max supply voltage applyable is 3.3V. The 3.3V line from the board is actually 3.6V, is this safe to feed the GPIO ?
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  • [14:38:38] <smplman> anyone here use qemu to test and build out images?
  • [14:38:49] <mru> why would anyone do that?
  • [14:40:26] <smplman> save time potentially? i have always used pre built images and then configured onboard
  • [14:40:42] <mru> save time???!?!!??eleventyone!!
  • [14:41:02] <smplman> it takes forever, so instead i would like to emulate and build on faster hardware
  • [14:41:34] <thurbad> I've done that while waiting for my first beagle to arrive
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  • [14:42:52] <smplman> looks like qemu will boot the sdcard directly, sweet.
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  • [14:43:27] <ant_work> koen: do you build uinput as module?
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  • [14:43:56] <ant_work> (still wrt udev)
  • [14:44:05] <mru> real hardware is faster than qemu
  • [14:45:16] <smplman> what about faster real hardware running qmeu?
  • [14:46:11] <mru> uh?
  • [14:46:50] <thurbad> at best it should run at the same speed if it's emulating correctly
  • [14:46:58] <ant_work> ^_^
  • [14:47:09] * mranostay yawns
  • [14:47:42] <mru> you'd need a *very* fast computer to emulate a beagle faster than an actual beagle
  • [14:47:57] <smplman> what about the SD card bottleneck, would it relieve any of that?
  • [14:48:12] <mru> also, use a crosss-compiler
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  • [14:50:14] <smplman> would i be better off chrooting into the sd card an building out stuff?
  • [14:51:18] <av500> wasnt there this nifty setup where you build in qemu, but the actual compile is done using a cross compiler?
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  • [14:53:11] <smplman> if you built in qemu, would there be a need to cross compile?
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  • [14:54:14] <av500> yes
  • [14:54:19] <av500> coz compile in qemu is slow
  • [14:54:32] <av500> so there is a trick to invoke the host cross compiler
  • [14:54:38] <av500> for the actual compile
  • [14:54:51] <av500> so stupid automake projects still get the correct config
  • [14:55:09] <av500> one of these "build systems" does that, forgot which one
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  • [14:56:10] <thurbad> I /finally/ figured out how to link against all the libraries I need to cross compile, and feel like an idiot for not doing it sooner
  • [14:56:20] <smplman> wouldnt you be stick in the qemu box? how would yet get out and invoke the host cc?
  • [14:56:38] <av500> I guess somebody edited source code to make it work
  • [14:56:38] <smplman> stuck*
  • [15:02:45] <smplman> i wonder if i can setup my x86 ubuntu server to automatically CC anything run from apt on my xm. That would be neat
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  • [15:02:56] <snowrichard> hello
  • [15:03:21] <snowrichard> i'm at my girlfriend house
  • [15:03:29] <mru> hi snowrichard
  • [15:03:37] <mru> did you ever get your internet connection fixed?
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  • [15:03:44] <koen> av500: I wouldn't call scarebox nifty
  • [15:04:01] <koen> av500: it breaks down quite fast when using e.g. python in your buildscripts
  • [15:04:05] <snowrichard> my novatel 2200 delivered saturday but i was not there
  • [15:04:05] <snowrichard> i'll get it hooked up tommorrow
  • [15:04:13] <mru> and like the scarecrow, it doesn't actually work
  • [15:04:27] <av500> koen: well, the concept is nifty, the implemtation, I haz no idea
  • [15:04:42] <snowrichard> we just got engaged
  • [15:04:43] <av500> why does python break it?
  • [15:04:48] <mru> snowrichard: congrats
  • [15:04:56] <av500> snowrichard: congrats!
  • [15:05:13] <av500> snowrichard: does she know about your dark secret?
  • [15:05:19] <av500> hanging out here...
  • [15:05:30] <snowrichard> don't know which one you mean but yes
  • [15:05:36] <snowrichard> we've been talking since 03
  • [15:05:45] <koen> av500: it runs the host python, so you get leakage from your host system if you want to be clever and use python for the size of long
  • [15:06:01] <av500> koen: ah
  • [15:06:15] <snowrichard> i downloaded the cross-lfs book
  • [15:06:18] <snowrichard> i may do that at some point
  • [15:06:27] <av500> koen: well, that breaks the concept of doinf the config on the emu
  • [15:06:44] <koen> av500: 3 guesses why python modules in maemo/mer/meh had weird behavioour
  • [15:06:53] <snowrichard> ubuntu working great though
  • [15:07:18] <av500> koen: I can imagine
  • [15:07:26] <av500> but I assumed only the cc would be on host
  • [15:07:32] <mru> koen: "because it's maemo"?
  • [15:07:34] <snowrichard> debian squeeze work a little faster
  • [15:07:53] <av500> but maemo does not need wakelocks!
  • [15:07:54] <koen> mru: you're cheating
  • [15:08:12] <snowrichard> i want a rasberry PI - the 25 dollar flah
  • [15:08:21] <snowrichard> flash sized thingy
  • [15:08:24] <mru> no, you don't
  • [15:08:28] <snowrichard> lol
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  • [15:08:34] <koen> it's slower than a beagle
  • [15:08:36] <snowrichard> the beagle is fine
  • [15:08:37] <snowrichard> lol
  • [15:08:48] <av500> its not flash sized
  • [15:08:50] <mru> it's slow and closed
  • [15:08:55] <snowrichard> i do want an xm
  • [15:09:15] <koen> what's closed about a binary blob for the GPU to boot the arm?
  • [15:09:23] <koen> I heard meego had scripts for binary blobs
  • [15:09:33] <snowrichard> i want to build car entertainment system with voice recognition
  • [15:09:41] <snowrichard> say 'hey DJ play pink floyd
  • [15:09:57] <av500> nice, once you have that, talk to my CEO
  • [15:10:00] <av500> he wants that too
  • [15:10:09] <av500> cheap please
  • [15:10:14] * mru wants driving directions to the dark side of the moon
  • [15:10:15] <snowrichard> if i build it they will come
  • [15:10:24] <koen> snowrichard: I think you want *working* voice recognition :)
  • [15:10:25] <snowrichard> i want a dollar for each unit sold lol
  • [15:10:32] <av500> mru: follow the saucers
  • [15:10:37] <av500> in reverse direction
  • [15:10:53] <snowrichard> yeah you know like star trek
  • [15:10:56] <av500> one can always mount a hidden Siri somewhere....
  • [15:11:03] <av500> behind the dash
  • [15:11:25] <av500> look, the $25 rpi and that 600$ iphone.....
  • [15:11:33] <snowrichard> well i could o the voice part in an android app that uses wifi to talk to the media server
  • [15:11:50] <smplman> or just run android and use the built in voice features
  • [15:12:00] <snowrichard> android is not working on my beagle
  • [15:12:06] <snowrichard> usb dies
  • [15:12:10] <av500> smplman: you have to 1) be online and 2) they do voice to text but not semantics
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  • [15:12:43] <smplman> av500: theres a nice app out called vlingo, i agree with having to have a dta conntection
  • [15:12:50] <snowrichard> i have a sick puppy lol
  • [15:13:22] <smplman> snowrichard: android crawls on the xm
  • [15:13:25] <av500> smplman: recognizing a defined set of command is way easier that "play pink floyd"
  • [15:13:27] <av500> than
  • [15:13:52] <snowrichard> yes i realize
  • [15:13:53] <smplman> true
  • [15:14:04] <snowrichard> my friends phone is ringing
  • [15:14:07] <snowrichard> but i don't touch it
  • [15:14:15] <mru> av500: the saucers full of secrets?
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  • [15:14:29] <av500> the ones that hid on the dark side for 70ys
  • [15:14:52] <mru> can't seem them, they're obscured by clouds
  • [15:14:59] <mru> I'm in england, remember
  • [15:15:10] <av500> I feel for you
  • [15:15:39] <snowrichard> we can't decide yet whether i should move up her, or her down there, or go somewhere ele
  • [15:15:43] <snowrichard> else even
  • [15:15:56] <snowrichard> i like the small town she wants to live in though
  • [15:16:18] <smplman> more people talk in a smaller town
  • [15:16:30] <av500> less people, but they talk more :)
  • [15:16:47] <smplman> exactly
  • [15:16:57] <mru> towns are too small, need a city
  • [15:17:16] <snowrichard> she had bad experiences in arizona in big city
  • [15:17:21] <snowrichard> she would not do that again
  • [15:17:38] <mru> there are good cities and bad ones
  • [15:17:45] <snowrichard> and i'll never live in houston again
  • [15:17:54] <mru> never been to houston
  • [15:17:59] <smplman> snowrichard: bad experience in general or with the city?
  • [15:18:00] <snowrichard> suck
  • [15:18:02] <snowrichard> crack rock
  • [15:18:09] <snowrichard> robbery mugging so on
  • [15:18:19] <snowrichard> there murder rate is high
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  • [16:12:26] <SilicaGel> interesting that the zigbee home automation profile supports measurement and sensing for temperature, pressure, luminance, flow, humidity, and occupancy ... but not current.
  • [16:13:11] <av500> well, missuse "flow" for current
  • [16:13:15] <av500> electron flow
  • [16:13:43] <SilicaGel> hm good point
  • [16:14:05] <av500> and voltage can be electron pressure
  • [16:14:07] <SilicaGel> is what what flow is for
  • [16:14:30] <SilicaGel> no. the units of theri flow are cubic meters per hour.
  • [16:14:47] <av500> well, electrons have a volume :)
  • [16:14:56] <av500> be creative
  • [16:16:59] <mdp> a high cholesterol diet can limit electron flow in household tubes
  • [16:23:07] <SilicaGel> hm there's a kW and kWh analog attribute but it's not tied to the home automation profile
  • [16:23:10] <SilicaGel> I wonder if one could use it anywa
  • [16:23:12] <SilicaGel> y
  • [16:23:19] <SilicaGel> (and still be within spec)
  • [16:24:13] <mdp> SilicaGel: I found zigbee interesting for about an hour or so once when I had to review our stack's linux integration???then totally lost interest when I read about the licensing restrictions
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  • [16:24:34] <SilicaGel> which are what, pay us money or you can't use it?
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  • [16:25:01] <koen> mdp: ZAP-HLOS or the proper linux one?
  • [16:25:33] <mdp> SilicaGel: the specification makes zigbee FOSS incompatible
  • [16:25:45] <mdp> koen, the ZAP crap
  • [16:25:56] <SilicaGel> hm so how is there a ilnux stack then, it's just restricted to non commercial use?
  • [16:26:42] <mdp> koen, it's a steaming pile..I diplomatically explained how it was complately unacceptable to that team after being solicited for feedback..they responded with, "we don't have time to address these issues"
  • [16:27:06] <mdp> koen, so I asked them, "why did you waste my time asking for feedback?"
  • [16:27:33] <koen> mdp: I worked on ZAP-HLOS a bit to make it work on beagle/angstrom
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  • [16:27:53] <koen> mdp: and it worked :)
  • [16:28:09] <mdp> koen, "it works"
  • [16:28:19] <jm_> hi all, I have an issue with a gst-launch line : ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstTIVidenc1:tividenc10: failed to create video encoder: h264enc
  • [16:28:50] <mdp> koen, the design is oriented around an RTOS or uC model..completely linux unfriendly
  • [16:29:07] <mdp> all compile time stuff throughout the "HAL"..blech
  • [16:29:16] <koen> mdp: I know
  • [16:29:27] <mdp> yeah, you know all this
  • [16:29:31] <jm_> here is my line : gst-launch v4l2src always-copy=FALSE input-src=COMPONENT num-buffers=2000 ! TIVidResize contiguousInputFrame=TRUE ! 'video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=25/1' ! ffmpegcolorspace ! TIVidenc1 codecName=h264enc engineName=codecServer byteStream=FALSE ! qtmux ! filesink location=yuv/test.mp4
  • [16:29:32] <koen> mdp: anything in TI that has 'hlos' in the src tree should be avoided :)
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  • [16:30:13] <koen> mdp: usually our cousins in WBU have a linux-friendly rewrite ready when asked
  • [16:30:16] <jm_> this is a leopardboard, but nobody on leopard channel... Anyway, when replacing TIVidenc1 by a simple filesink it works well
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  • [16:31:27] <mdp> SilicaGel: http://freaklabs.org/index.php/Blog/Zigbee/Zigbee-Linux-and-the-GPL.html
  • [16:32:10] <mdp> koen, I'd wager that zigbee on top of 802.15.4 isn't on the WBU radar map..but I could be wrong
  • [16:32:38] <koen> prolly not
  • [16:32:42] <koen> nfs likely is
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  • [16:33:40] <mdp> SilicaGel: that will explain why all open efforts have moved to 6LoWPAN???but it doesn't solve the issue of the huge deployment base of zigbee in power applications
  • [16:33:58] <mdp> we are unfortunately fscked there for FOSS work
  • [16:34:30] <koen> s/nfs/nfc/
  • [16:34:31] <SilicaGel> yeah
  • [16:34:41] <SilicaGel> 6LoWPAN doesn't define the profiles /object models though do they
  • [16:34:43] <mik_> hello guys, I was trying to use pyaudio module and I thought that it was present in BeagleBoard... but when I installed python-audio and tried to load pyAudio... it failed... is it a different module or just has a different name?
  • [16:35:54] <mdp> SilicaGel: correct..the real value in zigbee is the ability to interact with the power application profiles deployed in the smart meters that have standardized atm on zigbee
  • [16:36:16] <SilicaGel> yeah
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  • [16:36:40] <mdp> SilicaGel: even out here in Ohio, the small city I live outside of (pop 20Kish) is rolling out smart meters this year with zigbee
  • [16:36:48] <SilicaGel> no kidding
  • [16:36:51] <mdp> so it's extremely pervasive just based on that
  • [16:37:11] <SilicaGel> this thread is 2009; there are no updates to their policy on this?
  • [16:37:19] <mdp> nope
  • [16:37:27] <SilicaGel> did they even respond?
  • [16:37:29] <SilicaGel> to say 'tough shit" ?
  • [16:37:44] <mranostay> mdp: wadsworth is cutting edge? :)
  • [16:38:42] <mdp> since I like to wager???I'd also wager that the founding members of the zigbee consortium have looked at this and decided it's in their best interest *NOT* to liberalize their policy
  • [16:39:18] <mdp> from past trade association participation, generally a few companies with the board seats hold all the power on this stuff
  • [16:39:23] <mdp> so follow the money :)
  • [16:39:32] <SilicaGel> yeah, same with the SAE groups I was in
  • [16:39:45] <SilicaGel> it was volvo, allison, catepillar
  • [16:40:23] <mdp> mranostay, yeah, they are surprisingly cutting edge..but I think this is just more indicative of the nationwide move by utilities
  • [16:40:40] <SilicaGel> so is it an actual mesh then
  • [16:40:42] <SilicaGel> with a node at your house
  • [16:40:45] <SilicaGel> and another one at your neighbors?
  • [16:41:47] <mdp> mranostay, my acquaintances in the power and comm utilities tell me they've done the same thing most of the larger utility providers have done where they have cut a deal with a distributor that also provides the zigbee enabled smart thermostats (something cheaper than the expensive Nest units)
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  • [16:42:34] <mdp> mranostay, basically, the trade rags have shown all of them the huge savings they will get and better control of their power consumption by getting these installed in their customers' home
  • [16:42:35] <SilicaGel> the smart energy profile of zigbee uses two levels of encryption
  • [16:42:37] <SilicaGel> what I've wondered is
  • [16:42:44] <SilicaGel> can I write software to join the network the thing is on
  • [16:42:47] <SilicaGel> and read the meter from my own PC
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  • [16:42:54] <SilicaGel> my feeling is that they probably wouldn't like that.
  • [16:43:13] <SilicaGel> i based that on no information though, except that people are generally jerks
  • [16:44:51] <mdp> I'm not sure what the practical nature is of putting devices on the network
  • [16:45:03] <SilicaGel> yeah
  • [16:45:06] <SilicaGel> i know for that profile though
  • [16:45:13] <mdp> However, you *are* supposed to be able to buy a Nest thermostat and get that power data from you meter
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  • [16:45:24] <SilicaGel> there's an encryption key for the network, and another (potentially unique) one for the device
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  • [16:46:52] <mdp> well, what kind of keys? are you talking for key exchange???or the block cipher keys for the actual session?
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  • [16:47:27] <SilicaGel> it talks about cipher keys yeah
  • [16:47:32] <mdp> I haven't looked at that level of the spec..but I assume there's a practical way to "pair" and get the meter to talk to a thermostat
  • [16:47:40] <SilicaGel> hrm interesting
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  • [16:48:01] <mdp> yeah, probably so other appendix talks about key exchange and that general process of getting devices to talk
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  • [16:49:06] <mdp> possibly your utility provides a magic value online that only you can use to complete a key exchange with the meter
  • [16:49:07] <mdp> something like that
  • [16:49:35] <viridari> why?
  • [16:49:51] <mdp> I'm hoping zigbee dies a quick death so we can dump it in the nearest landfill
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  • [16:50:12] <SilicaGel> hrm
  • [16:50:20] <koen> zigbee, xbee and (6)lowpan are all 802.15.4, right?
  • [16:50:28] <SilicaGel> yeah.
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  • [16:50:46] <mdp> the good news is the google's @home stuffs is using 6LoWPAN..but that's probably jus their usual eternal beta test "product"
  • [16:51:18] <SilicaGel> when google killed google power meter I kind of thought they wouldn't ever take this kind of stuff seiously again
  • [16:51:20] <SilicaGel> idunnno
  • [16:51:22] <mdp> koen, yeppers..you can carry whatever you want on an 802.15.4 radio
  • [16:51:41] <koen> ah, now it starts to make sense :)
  • [16:51:52] <mdp> SilicaGel: they have partners that do the real work and are already in that business
  • [16:52:25] <mdp> koen, and you can tell that 802.15.4 is FOSS friendly :) that support is not a problem
  • [16:52:43] <SilicaGel> yeah
  • [16:53:03] <SilicaGel> the power here though is doing these things in an interoperable manner
  • [16:53:06] <mdp> koen, yeah, you'll also see that people using 802.15.4 xbees don't use zigbee normally..most people only do p2p stuff
  • [16:53:11] <SilicaGel> I looked at 6LoWPAN and I found contiki and one other project
  • [16:53:16] <SilicaGel> both for uC and both look fairly terrible
  • [16:53:16] <mdp> right
  • [16:53:26] <SilicaGel> and require you to use their wacky programming language + their wacky micro kernel
  • [16:53:30] <SilicaGel> neither of which I wanted
  • [16:53:35] <SilicaGel> I just wanted a friggin protocol stack
  • [16:53:37] <mdp> there's some linux-oriented 6LoWPAN work happening
  • [16:53:40] <mdp> iirc
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  • [16:54:01] <mdp> it helps when it's being pushed through the IETF
  • [16:56:33] <mdp> look at the smart light bulb efforts???the dinosaurs in that business went proprietary controllers and lighting science went 6LoWPAN
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  • [16:59:21] <SilicaGel> depressing :(
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  • [17:03:01] <mdp> SilicaGel: the nice thing is that one can solve it all by contributing to a FOSS 6LoWPAN solution
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  • [17:04:39] <mdp> SilicaGel: it's a chance to be a hero!
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  • [17:14:15] <SilicaGel> yeah i guess
  • [17:15:47] <SilicaGel> the frustrating part, to me, about contributing to projects like that is the communication. Knowing where to contribute and that you aren't just wasting an enormous amount of time
  • [17:16:03] <SilicaGel> I mean look at the learnign curve i had to climb to create my PRU reset patch for the kernel
  • [17:16:14] <SilicaGel> only to have vahabi say "that's not necessary, I already fixed it another way"
  • [17:16:28] <SilicaGel> well that was pretty depressing :(
  • [17:16:46] <jay6981> and they still might not let you into their clique!
  • [17:16:51] <SilicaGel> especially after I *thought* I performed due diligence looking for whether or not I was working on aproblem that really needed solving
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  • [17:17:08] <smplman> SilicaGel: will you mentor me?
  • [17:17:08] <SilicaGel> So when you talk about something huge like this ... crap I don't know, I'm an outsider
  • [17:17:21] <SilicaGel> smplman: let me check my magic 8 ball
  • [17:17:25] <SilicaGel> *shake* *shake* *shake*
  • [17:17:30] <SilicaGel> "Outlook not so good."
  • [17:17:38] <smplman> couldn't hurt to ask
  • [17:17:41] <SilicaGel> :)
  • [17:18:25] <smplman> So you started getting into kernel development by working on a PRU reset patch?
  • [17:18:33] <SilicaGel> no no no
  • [17:18:35] <SilicaGel> haha
  • [17:18:44] <koen> SilicaGel: keep in mind that the am335x kernel situation is utter crap
  • [17:19:05] <SilicaGel> The learning curve was trying to figur eout th eproper way to do a patch within the bitbake/oe/angstrom universe, mostly
  • [17:19:24] <smplman> ahh i see
  • [17:19:26] <SilicaGel> which I would NOT have been able to do were it not for jwinnebeck ...
  • [17:19:53] <smplman> I want te get more into embedded development, but i don;t know where to start
  • [17:19:55] <SilicaGel> The other part of it that was 'new' for me is all this clock tree / power domain stuff.
  • [17:20:10] <smplman> i can build kernels and root filesystems
  • [17:20:30] <smplman> i feel like im on the edge, just dont know where to jump
  • [17:20:55] <smplman> i got ubuntu 11.10 running on my Xoom pretty much myself since there was no docs
  • [17:21:11] <jay6981> what do you want to do?
  • [17:21:32] <SilicaGel> koen: yeah. I definitely didn't realize that at first.
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  • [17:22:50] <smplman> jay6981: contribute to the community
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  • [17:23:26] <mik_> guys does anyone know how to search what is inside a package?
  • [17:23:30] <jay6981> what community?
  • [17:23:38] <mik_> I mean... I've installed python-audio for Angstrom
  • [17:23:53] <mik_> but how do I know what is inside it? I thought it was pyAudio...
  • [17:25:26] <W1N9Zr0> opkg files PACKAGE i think
  • [17:25:33] <jay6981> smplman: it actually seems hard to contribute to these "communities". they don't really take kindly to outsiders trying to help.
  • [17:25:47] <smplman> jay6981: the beagleboard and ubuntu communities
  • [17:25:59] <mdp> SilicaGel: we are all outsiders to something :)
  • [17:26:01] <jay6981> you could do a ton of work and write a bunch of patches and they'll just ignore you or nitpick about how you didn't do it right
  • [17:26:06] <W1N9Zr0> can anyone see why I can't build python-dbus for beagleboard? "configure: error: could not find Python headers" http://pastebin.com/GEyMLzeR I was building systemd-image when it broke
  • [17:26:17] <smplman> i agree, i seem to get flamed for asking trivial questions to geniuses
  • [17:26:37] <W1N9Zr0> i tired update and bitbake -c clean already and it's still borked
  • [17:26:38] <jay6981> it's rather sad but the FOSS community is filled with antisocial people who aren't interested in collaboration at all
  • [17:26:49] <jay6981> just trolling
  • [17:27:09] <mik_> @w1n9zr thanks - that's a starting point at least
  • [17:27:23] <mdp> mmmm...geniuses
  • [17:27:40] <smplman> W1N9Zr0: check the directories under line 187 and see if the headers are there
  • [17:27:49] <SilicaGel> That's the most screwed up ham callsign I ever saw
  • [17:28:55] <smplman> jay6981: the beagle community seems pretty cool though
  • [17:29:05] <SilicaGel> you're just saying that because we're all here!
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  • [17:29:29] <av500> no, because I hold his family hostage
  • [17:29:50] <jay6981> the mentality is very much: if you don't know, i'm not going to tell you. reminds me of grade school.
  • [17:29:54] <SilicaGel> what i want to know is if could I use what I have learned from the bone to get a better job
  • [17:29:55] <SilicaGel> !!!
  • [17:30:02] <jay6981> probably
  • [17:30:04] <SilicaGel> Apparently, this zigbee stuff will NOT get me a better job
  • [17:30:06] <mdp> beagle community eats babies
  • [17:30:07] <SilicaGel> it will probably get me a *worst* one
  • [17:30:10] <SilicaGel> -e+t
  • [17:30:17] <jay6981> do you live in the bay area?
  • [17:30:28] <W1N9Zr0> smplman - there's one file there, pyconfig.h
  • [17:30:44] <SilicaGel> no, but my wife would be happy as hell if I moved there. Her family lives in oakland and walnut creek.
  • [17:30:45] <av500> jay6981: how are closed source communities in that regards?
  • [17:30:52] <mdp> SilicaGel: it allows you to claim to be a green engineer
  • [17:30:55] <av500> I never took part in one, so I would not know
  • [17:31:06] <SilicaGel> One problem with california is my baby silas is illegal there
  • [17:31:17] <smplman> W1N9Zr0: honestly i fun ubuntu and im not familiar with angstrom, but it looks like you need some sort of python-dev package
  • [17:31:18] <smplman> e
  • [17:31:21] <SilicaGel> 1 secon i will explain
  • [17:31:28] <jay6981> av500: not sure i understand the comparison. closed source communities are motivated by somethign much more tanglible... money.
  • [17:31:46] <SilicaGel> https://picasaweb.google.com/108380917869049424169/Silas#5294927223224252658
  • [17:31:48] <SilicaGel> that's silas :)
  • [17:31:53] <smplman> rapid prototyping is where the money is
  • [17:31:58] <jay6981> SilicaGel: you should probably move
  • [17:32:01] <jay6981> :)
  • [17:32:18] <jay6981> bbiab
  • [17:32:29] <av500> jay6981: well, you said how open source communities are and I was wondering what to compare them against
  • [17:32:47] <SilicaGel> https://picasaweb.google.com/108380917869049424169/Akuna#5294938307899692050 that's me and my galah, his name is Akuna
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  • [17:33:08] <av500> exotic bird smuggler?
  • [17:33:13] <SilicaGel> haha
  • [17:33:19] <av500> or you have a coal mine?
  • [17:33:22] <smplman> I have wanted a blue and gold macaw
  • [17:33:23] <SilicaGel> if I moved to california I woudl be
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  • [17:41:51] <smplman> has anyone gotten mame to run on an xm?
  • [17:42:04] <koen> I had it running years ago
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  • [17:42:35] <mdp> SilicaGel: many hobbies are illegal in CA
  • [17:42:43] <darknighte> koen: how you like your new job?
  • [17:43:26] <SilicaGel> like ferrets!
  • [17:44:02] <smplman> and UAVs
  • [17:44:43] <koen> darknighte: pretty much the same for a lot more $$$ so far
  • [17:44:54] <darknighte> congrats.
  • [17:44:57] <koen> thanks!
  • [17:45:06] <av500> send beer
  • [17:45:08] <mdp> SilicaGel: it's an ok tradeoff to live in a land of milk and honey with no worries.
  • [17:45:29] <koen> darknighte: I might have to poke you a bit for shipping hw to the mentor office for the bspfest
  • [17:45:38] <darknighte> k.
  • [17:45:41] <darknighte> you coming?
  • [17:46:02] <koen> darknighte: bspfest travel approved, waiting for collab invite
  • [17:46:19] <darknighte> cool. ping jefro and he can probably get you an invite to collab.
  • [17:46:20] <koen> ESC is the week before in san jose
  • [17:46:29] <koen> I pinged jefro already :)
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  • [17:46:45] <mdp> koen, take mine..I'm sticking with vacation that week :P
  • [17:47:46] <koen> darknighte: btw, I took away most reasons for you to yell at me for meta-ti
  • [17:47:52] <koen> darknighte: besides quitting TI :)
  • [17:48:28] <darknighte> koen: I'm sure I can come up with new ones.
  • [17:48:57] <SilicaGel> idunno man, i had an office in sunnyvale and I did NOT like it much there
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  • [17:55:39] <SilicaGel> 5 more minutes of lunch left, just enough time for some really loud Cheap Trick
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  • [17:57:03] <koen> I want you to want me?
  • [17:57:10] <SilicaGel> hehe
  • [17:57:17] <SilicaGel> nope. They did a cover of the beatles Day Tripper
  • [17:57:30] <SilicaGel> it took me so long to find out ................ but I found out.
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  • [18:06:52] <SilicaGel> OK
  • [18:07:01] <SilicaGel> I'm sick of working
  • [18:07:06] <SilicaGel> so it's time to play PRUSS and dmtimer now
  • [18:07:18] <av500> 12ftw
  • [18:07:27] <SilicaGel> shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you'll get us killed
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  • [18:22:27] <SilicaGel> hmm omap_dm_timer_request() did indeed return succes, but it returned timer->id == 0
  • [18:22:31] <SilicaGel> very peculiar
  • [18:22:45] <SilicaGel> now I'm going to try requesting the super secret timer that will end the world
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  • [18:26:20] <SilicaGel> this is cool
  • [18:26:24] <SilicaGel> i did a dmesg -c
  • [18:26:40] <SilicaGel> and it COMPLETELY broke dmesg, as in, it cleared the messages alright, it cleared them and all the subsequent ones forever
  • [18:26:59] <thurbad> :/
  • [18:27:25] <SilicaGel> i wonder if jwinnebeck will notice if I reboot his bone remotely >:)
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  • [18:28:03] <jwinnebeck> I did actually
  • [18:28:18] <jwinnebeck> Windows pops up with USB errors when it boots, for some reason
  • [18:28:22] <SilicaGel> doh. I'm sorry. that was rude of me.
  • [18:28:43] <jwinnebeck> that's OK I wasn't using it, I was just checking, because I'm also interested in how reliable the bone is
  • [18:28:47] <jwinnebeck> since I've found it "dead" a few time
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  • [18:29:00] <koen> SilicaGel: systemd-journalctl -o cat
  • [18:29:09] <SilicaGel> i have to figure out how you're supposed to use pr_fmt.
  • [18:29:13] <koen> SilicaGel: that includes everything, including dmesg
  • [18:29:22] <SilicaGel> ok
  • [18:30:37] <SilicaGel> hrm maybe KERN_INFO just isn't on
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  • [18:31:15] <koen> SilicaGel: oh, and mkdir /var/log/journal if you want logs survive reboot
  • [18:31:27] <SilicaGel> cool, thanks
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  • [18:40:20] <Crofton> does this make any sense?
  • [18:40:23] <Crofton> F16
  • [18:41:39] <Crofton> urg, I have 3.82, bother
  • [18:41:45] <smplman> Crofton: i could never get the display link stuff to compile on arm, or maby it was the touch kit stuff
  • [18:42:51] <Crofton> this is from oe classic
  • [18:43:01] <Crofton> looks like it hates make version 3.82 for some reason
  • [18:43:09] <Crofton> dsplink btq
  • [18:43:11] <Crofton> btw
  • [18:44:58] <smplman> Crofton: cross compile potentially?
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  • [18:57:00] <_av500_> it is cross compile
  • [18:57:56] <_av500_> Crofton|work: just comment that check
  • [18:58:26] <mru> Crofton|work: last I heard 3.82 was the latest version of gnu make
  • [18:59:02] <mru> and I checked 30 seconds ago
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  • [19:18:41] <_av500_> SilicaGel: iirc you need to do -DDEBUG
  • [19:18:58] <SilicaGel> even for a KERN_INFO? Hrm
  • [19:19:20] <_av500_> dmesg -n X
  • [19:19:31] <SilicaGel> 7 means show everything right
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  • [19:34:52] <_av500_> or 8
  • [19:36:12] <mru> I can build you a kernel that goes to 11
  • [19:36:45] <SilicaGel> I don't know, but if you try to build one that goes to 12, TI will kill you.
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  • [19:38:49] <SilicaGel> wow
  • [19:38:53] <SilicaGel> apparently screwing with DRV_NAME is bad !
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  • [19:44:32] <SilicaGel> [ 846.997986] pruss_uio: Allocated timer 0
  • [19:44:33] <SilicaGel> [ 847.002186] pruss_uio: Allocated timer 3
  • [19:44:34] <SilicaGel> huh.
  • [19:44:40] <SilicaGel> Attempts to allocate timer 12 were a complete failure.
  • [19:44:51] <SilicaGel> I thought it was a one off error, but attempts to allocate timer 11 also failed
  • [19:44:57] <SilicaGel> Those sneaky fargin bastages
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  • [19:48:24] <SilicaGel> [ 1075.113240] pruss_uio: Allocated timer 3, irq 69, base address fa042000
  • [19:48:26] <SilicaGel> yay!
  • [19:48:33] <SilicaGel> let's see if that address makes any sense at all!
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  • [19:51:10] <jay6981> ls -l
  • [19:51:58] <mru> drwx-rx-rx 2 jay6981 users 4096 Jan 1 1970 00:00 .
  • [19:52:26] <SilicaGel> woah
  • [19:52:36] <SilicaGel> sounds like he needs my real time clock cape, with integrated Xbee !
  • [19:53:10] <jay6981> thanks mru
  • [19:53:21] <mru> I had a computer that would reset the clock to 2051 if left without power too long
  • [19:53:39] <mru> I never figured out what was special about that year
  • [19:53:52] <ds2> is that all 1's?
  • [19:54:35] <djlewis> the day your god created the computer
  • [19:54:37] <mru> depends on the epoch, no?
  • [19:54:51] <ds2> what's the binary roll over year?
  • [19:55:05] <mru> djlewis: time-travelling computer?
  • [19:55:17] <mru> ds2: 32-bit unix time rolls over in 2037
  • [19:55:26] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [19:55:30] <SilicaGel> 2038 they say but is that 2^31 for reasons of time_t being originally signed?
  • [19:55:41] <mru> time_t is signed
  • [19:57:01] <SilicaGel> 2^32 - 1 --> GMT: Sun, 07 Feb 2106 06:28:15 GMT
  • [19:57:30] <W1N9Zr0> if it was unsigned there would be no time before 1970
  • [19:57:31] <SilicaGel> 2 ^ 31 - 1 --> GMT: Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 GMT
  • [19:57:32] <mru> the firmware probably stored the time in some other format
  • [19:57:37] <SilicaGel> so I'm not sure what the hell 2051 is
  • [19:57:52] <mru> was an old alpha machine
  • [19:58:01] <SilicaGel> hey, only the mayans would make up their own epoch!
  • [19:58:53] <SilicaGel> http://xkcd.com/607/
  • [19:58:55] <ds2> this 3D camera setup with the xM is pretty neat
  • [19:59:35] <SilicaGel> also, http://xkcd.com/376/
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  • [20:02:42] <woglinde> gm
  • [20:02:44] <woglinde> or so
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  • [20:05:05] <SilicaGel> hm noooooooooo that address it gave me back as io_base for the timer makes no sense whatsoever. hrm.
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  • [20:23:52] <SilicaGel> I think I should make a drinking game, where every time T.I. tells me "The PRUSS is not supported" everyone has to take a drink
  • [20:23:57] <SilicaGel> sorry, I meant TI, not T.I.
  • [20:24:08] <mdp> Treasure Island?!?
  • [20:24:13] <woglinde> *g*
  • [20:24:56] <SilicaGel> I don't think you can map an interrupt > irq60 to the PRU :( which means no timer events :(
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  • [20:29:21] <JViz> why does the boot partition have to be vfat?
  • [20:29:33] <JViz> can it be ext3?
  • [20:30:00] <koen> depends on how well you succeed in patching the boot ROM in the chip
  • [20:30:37] <JViz> the default boot ROM requires vfat?
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  • [20:31:01] <woglinde> no laser beams
  • [20:31:08] <woglinde> for photon emissions
  • [20:31:25] <JViz> woglinde so get laser beams!
  • [20:31:40] <woglinde> build it into boot rom
  • [20:32:35] <JViz> why did they choose it to default to vfat?
  • [20:32:45] <mdp> JViz, the detailed answers are in the TRM
  • [20:33:11] <mdp> it is a fountain of knowledge and goodliness
  • [20:33:21] <woglinde> vfat code is small and easy
  • [20:34:34] <JViz> woglinde: ah, thank you
  • [20:35:07] <JViz> isn't M$ suing people over using vfat?
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  • [20:37:23] <koen> that's exfat
  • [20:37:28] <mdp> JViz: one entity???not people..to my knowledge
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  • [20:38:00] <woglinde> some patents for vfat were ended
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  • [20:44:50] <SilicaGel> hm in the am335x how is an 'event' different from an 'interrupt' ?
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  • [20:50:42] <mdp> SilicaGel: the term 'event' is used in a few different contexts in the TRM
  • [20:51:07] <mdp> SilicaGel: they generally talk about events in the scope of an IP block
  • [20:51:22] <SilicaGel> oh
  • [20:51:33] <mdp> and then those events can be mapped to an action outside of that block???an interrupt
  • [20:51:40] <SilicaGel> oh ok
  • [20:51:42] <SilicaGel> i see
  • [20:51:43] <SilicaGel> ok
  • [20:51:52] <SilicaGel> so that's why things that the outside world consdiers an "irq" the pru considers an "event"
  • [20:52:01] <mdp> generally the complex blocks like pruss or edma have the concept of some event mux and then funnel up to an INTC interrupt
  • [20:52:11] <SilicaGel> yeah ok
  • [20:52:14] <mdp> right
  • [20:52:30] <SilicaGel> I'm trying to go the other way actually. I'm trying to map a timer interrupt (like timer3 on irq69) to the PRU. I'm thinking it's not possible.
  • [20:52:59] <mdp> yeah, it's best to look at the part as a collection of loosely related IP blocks that a designer bought off-the-shelf :)
  • [20:53:25] <mdp> this is most apparent when you go to read the USB OTG chapter on our parts
  • [20:54:22] <mdp> but you'll find a different use of events (in the dma event context) in the edma block and a slightly different usage in the ehrpwm block
  • [20:55:53] <SilicaGel> yeah ok. that makes more sense. I wasn't sure if it was just the PRU, since the PRU's machine definition doesn't have any concept of interrupts or interrupt handlers. You just map an external event (irq or event) to his INTC which maps it to a CHANNEL which maps it to a bit in R30 or R31
  • [20:56:11] <SilicaGel> then the PRU code just polls for that thing to have occurred, signaling, for example, that some EDMA action completed
  • [20:56:19] <SilicaGel> that's the way I understand it, at least
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  • [20:56:38] <mdp> you know more than me about it
  • [20:56:39] <mru> busy-loops ftw
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  • [20:57:01] <SilicaGel> yeah. Well in PRUSSv2 there's an actual "wait for event" instruction which maybe puts it into a lower power state I don't know
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  • [20:57:41] <SilicaGel> I thought I had a pretty good handle on this, too, until I found that the irq to channel mapping registers only go up to 64, but the timer IRQs start at 66 ... so I can't figure out how the hell I can route a timer irq to a pruss event
  • [20:58:02] <SilicaGel> which means the only way I can think of to do this is busy waiting trying to poll timers over the L3 to L4 which would SUCK
  • [20:58:08] <mdp> I hope some v2-specific docs will come on wiki when (I think it's *when*) the pasmv2 is released
  • [20:58:33] <SilicaGel> mdp: yeah me too. I've been able to figure out a lot of stuff from the TRM though about what I can expect!
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  • [21:00:17] <_av500_> there, fix the condensate pump
  • [21:00:20] <_av500_> fixed
  • [21:00:28] <SilicaGel> was it leaking?
  • [21:00:39] <_av500_> it was not pumping
  • [21:00:48] <SilicaGel> did you have a flood?
  • [21:00:53] <_av500_> and the joke plumbers did not connect the emergency relay
  • [21:01:00] <_av500_> no flood, just a trickle
  • [21:01:04] <SilicaGel> Is this on a high efficiency furnace?
  • [21:01:09] <_av500_> yep
  • [21:01:09] <koen> mdp: hopefully melissa can soon share her PRU wisdom legally with the hoi polloi in #beagle :)
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  • [21:01:17] <SilicaGel> _av500_: I had a new furnace put in very soon
  • [21:01:19] <_av500_> and a air heat exchanger
  • [21:01:25] <SilicaGel> koen: do you know melissa?
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  • [21:02:13] <SilicaGel> _av500_: I just recently had a high efficiency furnace built in. They DID hook up the emergency switch to kill the furnace and A/C. But I was worried thet hing was going to crap out on me so I bought a Little Giant spare one anyway
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  • [21:02:36] <_av500_> spare what?
  • [21:02:37] <SilicaGel> I figured it's cheap insurance, in case the thing quits in the middle of the night on a weekend when it's -5 F out.
  • [21:03:00] <SilicaGel> a whole spare condesate pump
  • [21:03:03] <_av500_> ah
  • [21:03:04] <SilicaGel> condensate
  • [21:03:12] <_av500_> this one is ~$300
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  • [21:03:19] <jay6981> -5F... ouch
  • [21:03:22] <koen> SilicaGel: I worked with her a few times when I was still at TI
  • [21:03:25] <_av500_> but ill try to buy a spare pump for it
  • [21:03:26] <jay6981> you live in the arctic circle or something?
  • [21:03:32] <mdp> koen, I don't believe any of that "legally" business
  • [21:03:35] <_av500_> dont need a 2nd plastic and tubing
  • [21:03:43] <mdp> it's all due to being swamped
  • [21:03:58] <SilicaGel> _av500_: I bought one of the Little Giant ones, it looks basically like http://www.amazon.com/Little-Giant-VCMX-20ULS-C-Automatic-Condensate/dp/B0026PFJX0
  • [21:04:04] <SilicaGel> but I don't remember paying that much for it, HMMMM
  • [21:04:25] <_av500_> well, that the thing the joke plumbers put
  • [21:04:35] <_av500_> i might buy another one now
  • [21:04:36] <SilicaGel> I must have found a deal somewhere. Part of the reason I did this, too, is I plan on screwing with it, to feed my dehumidifier into one of the spare input ports
  • [21:05:05] <SilicaGel> the switch that comes out is fairly low voltage ... I think it's really intended to be used for 24VAC for you to just wire in series with the hot lead of your thermostat or something like that
  • [21:06:03] <SilicaGel> that melissa is who answers my PRU questions on the forum almost always. And she's the one that always starts out reminding me that the PRU is not supported haha
  • [21:06:31] <SilicaGel> This particular problem,t hough, I really can't see an answer.
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  • [21:10:11] <SilicaGel> one thing i notice is that CMR15 has a lot of empty address space after it before the next defined register. I almost wonder if there's secretly a CMR16 and beyond
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  • [21:10:57] <cbrake> in the latest OE bits, how is the MLO built?
  • [21:11:12] <cbrake> am I understanding correctly that it is built in the u-boot tree?
  • [21:11:15] * cbrake keeps digging
  • [21:13:19] <koen> cbrake: depends on the uboot version
  • [21:13:31] <koen> cbrake: 2011.09 and beyond can build mlo and uboot in one go
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  • [21:14:34] <cbrake> koen: must be what I have: U-Boot SPL 2011.12-dirty (Feb 24 2012 - 11:50:41)
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  • [21:23:42] <sakoman_> cbrake: if you are going to use 2011.12 SPL for any serious work I suggest you add this patch, otherwise SDRC timing is set up incorrectly
  • [21:23:52] <sakoman_> http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=797c7a2f5d90598b9db8db4bdaa300f53371328d
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  • [21:24:24] <sakoman_> it is fixed in current upstream, but is definitely an issue in v2011.12
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  • [21:25:20] <cbrake> sakoman_: thanks! currently just a point of interest as I'm watching the latest oe-core builds :-)
  • [21:26:10] <sakoman_> cbrake: I've made the switch to yocto/oe-core for all new work
  • [21:26:17] <cbrake> sakoman_: good deal
  • [21:26:31] <sakoman_> it's been interesting ;-)
  • [21:26:48] <cbrake> sakoman_: I'm still using oe-core/meta-oe/angstrom ...
  • [21:27:01] <cbrake> sakoman_: so far, its working out pretty well. I really like the systemd stuff
  • [21:27:16] <sakoman_> yeah, I made that switch too
  • [21:27:40] <cbrake> sakoman_: are you using the yocto meta layer with meta-oe/angstrom?
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  • [21:29:22] <sakoman_> cbrake: I'm using yocto + meta-oe and meta-gnome from meta-openembedded + my own layer
  • [21:30:16] <cbrake> sakoman_: interesting, I never tried pulling in the yocto meta layer yet
  • [21:30:41] <cbrake> sakoman_: figured there would be some explosion between in and meta-oe/angstrom, but that is good if everything plays well together
  • [21:30:48] <koen> cbrake: yocto is jsut oe-core with extra crap you don't need
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  • [21:31:04] <ds2> don't light the wrong fuse or things will get very small
  • [21:35:24] <alan_o> I'm sure one of you guys knows off hand, which is the better or more official way to build a Beagle Bone kernel, the OE method, or from the git repo? Are they both kept in sync?
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  • [21:36:16] <wmat> wow, the RPi community is really dominating elinux.org contributions of late
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  • [21:37:13] <wmat> koen: isn't the whole point of Yocto to add in the stuff you do need?
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  • [21:47:01] <ds2> wmat: are they useful contributions?
  • [21:47:06] <ds2> or dups of other stuff?
  • [21:47:12] <wmat> ds2: useful
  • [21:47:33] <wmat> ds2: although, mostly lots of information about shipping dates, local mirrors, etc.
  • [21:47:43] <wmat> ds2: as the hardware isn't in a lot of hands yet
  • [21:48:18] <ds2> oh...no actual technical info yet?
  • [21:48:33] <ds2> like the low level registers on the 3D accelerator
  • [21:48:36] <ds2> ;)
  • [21:48:59] * wmat looks again
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  • [21:52:22] <wmat> hmmm, that's a Braodcam part isn't it
  • [21:52:39] <ds2> :)
  • [21:52:43] <ds2> very big :)
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  • [21:55:09] <wmat> here's the datasheet: http://dmkenr5gtnd8f.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
  • [21:55:24] <wmat> here's the errata: http://elinux.org/BCM2835_datasheet_errata
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  • [21:58:21] <ds2> that looks more like a propaganda flyer then a datasheet
  • [21:58:33] <ds2> unless this is a Linux chip, not a general purpose processor
  • [21:59:04] <alan_o> There is no public datasheet
  • [21:59:13] <alan_o> requires NDA, etc, from what I've read
  • [21:59:39] <ds2> so it is a PoS
  • [21:59:54] <alan_o> And the bootup process is weird, blobs involved for booting, loading GPU Firmware, etc.
  • [22:00:20] <alan_o> I don't know that it's a PoS. By the time the kernel (or u-boot, if you want to stick that in between) is loaded, I think it's fairly normal
  • [22:01:01] <ds2> blah on binary blobs
  • [22:01:05] <alan_o> The RPi people say that going to a more open chip would have cost more money and blown their budget. No idea how true that is.
  • [22:01:59] <alan_o> I'm not much on blobs either, but I think most of the blob issue with the RPi is firmware loading, which from my observation, people only seem to care about if they see it
  • [22:02:08] <ds2> it just isn't worth the trouble for an ARM11 (Correct me on this if I am wrong)
  • [22:02:31] <ds2> waste of time to use an ancient processor that is still locked up
  • [22:03:03] <alan_o> That's where I'm starting to get to. I mean for me. Again, they're all about making a $35 computer that boots.
  • [22:03:17] <ds2> what's the next story... going to a lower power processor will cost more so stick with lugging a car battery around?
  • [22:03:18] <alan_o> Guys like us want to hack around a bit more :)
  • [22:03:42] <alan_o> Hey, I'm just repeating their position, not indicating agreement :)
  • [22:03:53] <ds2> *nod*
  • [22:04:02] <alan_o> Actually though, low power is one of their things. 1w is their target
  • [22:04:16] <ds2> and I can go below 1W with a M0 ;)
  • [22:04:35] <ds2> put in an A8 and then talk
  • [22:04:36] <alan_o> I've been meaning to look up the M0. There's so much I don't know :(
  • [22:04:52] <ds2> or an ARM7 :)
  • [22:09:22] <SilicaGel> The TI forums say I'm a prodigy
  • [22:09:23] <SilicaGel> :-)
  • [22:09:25] <alan_o> Hey, so you know anything about my kernel quesiotn?
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  • [22:10:04] <ds2> read the recipe
  • [22:10:28] <alan_o> yeah.... I need to learn more about OE. I'm looking at the files there.
  • [22:10:49] <alan_o> I mean more about how the github repo relates to what's in OE
  • [22:11:09] <alan_o> If one or the other is better or worse, I'll use it
  • [22:11:31] <ds2> there should be anything 'in' OE
  • [22:11:43] <alan_o> I mean what's in the BB OE repo
  • [22:11:54] <ds2> yes, and that is what I mean
  • [22:12:01] <ds2> look in the recipe
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  • [22:23:32] <_av500_> rpi bom with 1ght a8 is doable these days
  • [22:23:36] <_av500_> 1ghz
  • [22:24:11] <_av500_> there are 99$ tablets now, drop lcd, ts, battery, case and retail margin and you are at $35
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  • [22:30:33] <alan_o> ds2: so a quick OE question.. In sources/meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2, are the patches there applied _before the patches in the appropriate 3.2.x directory?
  • [22:30:58] <ds2> depends. the application is solely determined by the recipe
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  • [22:33:54] <alan_o> I guess I'm not finding the recipe
  • [22:34:08] <alan_o> There's a beaglebone.conf
  • [22:34:12] <ds2> look for a .bb file
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  • [22:35:43] <alan_o> closest thing I have is beaglebone-getting-started.bb (which seems to be documentation only), then gadget-init.bb, beaglebone-tester.bb. (that's the .bb files that have the word beagle in them)
  • [22:36:52] <alan_o> I'm pretty sure this is part of it
  • [22:36:54] <alan_o> sources/meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb
  • [22:37:09] <alan_o> I guess that's what I'm looking for
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  • [22:39:56] <ds2> looks about right
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  • [22:52:13] <alan_o> So it looks like there's four full pages of commits between what's on github https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x-linux/ and what's on http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git which the OE Recipe pulls from
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  • [23:15:57] <dhut> Is anyone build angstrom OE?
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  • [23:48:25] <dhut> IS anybody active there?
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  • [23:50:42] <thurbad> where?
  • [23:55:57] <dhut> on this IRC channel
  • [23:57:06] <thurbad> there's lots of active people at various times of day
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  • [23:58:17] <mru> but we're very stealthy, so you can't hear us
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