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  • [00:13:52] <koen> SilicaGel: there's an m3 in the am335x
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  • [00:17:04] <mranostay> anyone know if the hotel has a ATM?
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  • [00:18:11] <mranostay> yeah well that isn't helpful at all :)
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  • [00:32:27] <Russ> nice job
  • [00:33:01] <ds2> slides go boom
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  • [00:34:23] <Russ> I bet Wookey isn't destroying slides
  • [00:34:30] <mranostay> heh
  • [00:37:32] <Dar1us> anyone here run ubuntu on their beagleboard?
  • [00:37:59] <jay6981> koen: we were told the m3 on am335x is not accessible to us
  • [00:41:14] <Russ> Dar1us, I have precise on mine
  • [00:41:29] <Dar1us> Russ: what's precise?
  • [00:41:46] <Russ> 12.04
  • [00:42:02] <Dar1us> I don't really care about the distro, but it must have support for a RT2800 USB wifi dongle and a package manager which doesn't destroy the install
  • [00:42:06] <Dar1us> oh right
  • [00:42:14] <Dar1us> Russ: I prefer numbers to names ;)
  • [00:42:25] <Dar1us> Russ: where did you get it? a prebuilt image or built your own?
  • [00:42:31] <Russ> I used rcn-ee's precise image
  • [00:42:36] <Dar1us> URL?
  • [00:42:45] <Russ> he makes it easy to rebuild the kernel with whatever additional modules you need
  • [00:44:17] <Dar1us> that sounds good
  • [00:44:25] <Russ> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Demo_Image
  • [00:45:47] <Dar1us> I have an 11.10 demo image but it doesn't fire up the USB hub and ethernet controller
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  • [00:50:16] <ds2> rev C or is it older?
  • [00:51:13] <Dar1us> rev C
  • [00:51:36] <Dar1us> the Angstom demo image works fine, but I ran opkg upgrade and it killed itself
  • [00:51:57] <aholler> df -h
  • [00:52:03] <thurbad> don't doopkg upgrade
  • [00:52:12] <Dar1us> thurbad: well I know that now
  • [00:52:18] <Dar1us> but even so, I couldn't install any packages
  • [00:52:25] <Dar1us> even agfter an opkg update
  • [00:52:48] <ds2> make sure kernel has patch f0r rev c
  • [00:53:17] <ds2> polarity of enable changed
  • [00:54:09] <Dar1us> ugh
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  • [01:00:13] <Dar1us> is there a way to frob it from the command line to turn it on for now
  • [01:00:14] <Dar1us> ?
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  • [01:42:43] <snowrichard> hi
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  • [02:13:52] <CanyonMon> my gmail turned black
  • [02:20:05] <Dar1us> sigh, I tried the latest linaro stuff but it didn't enable the hub either
  • [02:20:06] <Dar1us> gnnnn
  • [02:20:32] <Dar1us> and I there's no tool chain for ubuntu 10.04 so I can't build my own
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  • [02:28:28] <aholler> use whatever cross-compiler you wish
  • [02:28:52] <aholler> cross-compiling the kernel is as easy as building a kernel for x86
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  • [02:34:03] <aholler> e.g. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1&chap=4 describes how
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  • [02:41:22] <Dar1us> aholler: I'd like to start off with someone that actually works first
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  • [04:40:17] <snowrichard> hi
  • [04:40:52] <snowrichard> av500 i'm gonna chuck this satellite next month -- i'm getting unlimited 3g device for $50 a month, no contract
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  • [06:45:20] <ds2> hmmmmm
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  • [08:18:21] <LetoThe2nd> av500: whats on video? you trolling the arm presentation, or your arm trolling something completely different? :P
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  • [08:25:25] <mranostay> av500 trolls anything he can :)
  • [08:26:16] <LetoThe2nd> i know, i was there.
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  • [08:52:48] <av500> mranostay: the tizen people prevented effective trolling by holding the talk in the smallest room available
  • [08:53:11] <LetoThe2nd> av500: we're both thinking of the ARM BOF, right?
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  • [08:54:06] <av500> LetoThe2nd: yes
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  • [14:20:16] <guest___> hi guys...how do i install devkit8000 driver for my windowxp host virtualbox ubuntu? so I can use adb
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  • [14:24:01] <av500> googe usb_android.ini
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  • [14:32:27] <prpplague> av500: is googe than new clone of google?
  • [14:32:55] <mdp> pr0n
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  • [14:32:59] <prpplague> hehe
  • [14:33:03] <av500> try and find out
  • [14:33:06] <av500> www.googe.com
  • [14:35:06] <av500> guest___: sorry, usb_adb.ini
  • [14:35:38] <guest___> av500 thanks...looking into it now..
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  • [14:36:35] <guest___> so the ini file...how do i use it? i need to install it in the xp 1st ? point the device to the .ini files?
  • [14:36:57] <av500> no
  • [14:37:03] <av500> you need to google for it and read
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  • [14:57:51] <LetoThe2nd> koen: looks like i'll be at EW Feb 29
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  • [16:10:29] <koen> LetoThe2nd: sweet!
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  • [16:15:17] <guest___> ok thanks...got my adb running!
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  • [16:18:12] <guanucoluis> cuongtv: could you ask here!
  • [16:18:47] <guanucoluis> somebody help you! :D
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  • [16:31:21] <SilicaGel> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2JGcDu9vItc/Tz0vJhp6AGI/AAAAAAAAIqg/XgPOnhcoMp8/w402/12%2B-%2B1
  • [16:31:27] <SilicaGel> I got my bone case :)
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  • [16:50:52] <SilicaGel> Hmm can you open /dev/kmem, do an mmap() to the address if an omap peripheral (in global address space), and read/write said peripheral directly from userspace?
  • [16:51:00] <SilicaGel> assuming you had file permissions, of course
  • [16:51:33] <SilicaGel> or maybe it's /dev/mem not kmem
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  • [16:58:51] <Russ> SilicaGel, I think devmem2 is the tool of choice for that type of fiddling
  • [16:59:00] <SilicaGel> that's a library?
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  • [16:59:30] <Russ> command line tool
  • [16:59:38] <SilicaGel> ok
  • [16:59:45] <SilicaGel> so i just asked this on the google group but
  • [16:59:48] <SilicaGel> I'm asking here anyway.
  • [16:59:55] <SilicaGel> Why couldn't I skip the PRU loader entirely,
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  • [17:00:22] <SilicaGel> and just use this devmem2 program to push data into the L4 address space of the IMEM for a particular PRU?
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  • [17:01:11] <av500> SilicaGel: well, why use an OS at all? :)
  • [17:01:14] <av500> of course you can
  • [17:01:28] <SilicaGel> Good question. I'm uninstalling linux and replacing it with main() right now.
  • [17:01:31] <SilicaGel> :)
  • [17:01:42] <av500> apt-get main
  • [17:01:45] <SilicaGel> hehe
  • [17:02:16] <SilicaGel> I am going to do some experimenting this way just for giggles
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  • [17:02:34] <SilicaGel> I don't intend to do this long term, but the uio_pruss stuff on the bone just does NOT seem to be ready for prime time
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  • [17:07:09] <siegen> SilicaGel: I use /dev/mem to talk directly with i2c omap controller
  • [17:07:33] <SilicaGel> with mmap() ?
  • [17:08:31] <siegen> right
  • [17:08:43] <SilicaGel> siegen: http://tldp.org/LDP/khg/HyperNews/get/devices/fake.html do you really have to do that malloc() first?
  • [17:09:00] <SilicaGel> so you malloc() the memory, then you map it somehow? And taht doesn't cause some kind of leak?
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  • [17:10:53] <siegen> SilicaGel: i get filedesc opening /dev/mem and then mmap passing that fd
  • [17:11:07] <SilicaGel> but your first argument to mmap is NULL right?
  • [17:11:08] <siegen> returns me the pointer to that memory
  • [17:11:15] <siegen> right
  • [17:11:25] <SilicaGel> ok, then i'm going to ignore that svgalib example
  • [17:11:42] <siegen> it really works
  • [17:11:43] <siegen> :)
  • [17:11:54] <SilicaGel> yeah.
  • [17:12:09] <SilicaGel> I think it might be a really quick/dirty way to help me debug what's going on with the PRU
  • [17:12:39] <SilicaGel> someone from T.I. sent me a ton of patches for pru clock configuration, it's crazy stuff
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  • [17:12:58] <siegen> in my case i am using for better performance to talk with some i2c peripherials
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  • [17:13:17] <siegen> avoiding some more ioctls
  • [17:13:25] <SilicaGel> one of the things the code refers to is something called ICSS, I don't even know what that is
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  • [17:13:34] <SilicaGel> - .main_clk = "icss_fck",
  • [17:13:34] <SilicaGel> + .main_clk = "pruss",
  • [17:13:51] <SilicaGel> I wonder if ICSS_FCK is something on an omap or something, i.e. not sitara
  • [17:14:24] <av500> dont think its omap
  • [17:16:10] <mranostay> morning
  • [17:16:22] * mranostay curses CA-85
  • [17:16:36] <ds2> heheh
  • [17:16:44] <jay6981> 85 does indeed suck
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  • [17:20:00] <dberg> Hi, I'm having trouble changing the resolution on Angstrom. I'm using the following link: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Display_resolutions_.231
  • [17:20:32] <dberg> I believe I'm on build 2.6.32, so I should be using the 3rd section but it is not working.
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  • [17:24:59] <SilicaGel> I can't find "ICSS" in the sitara TRM, so I guess I'm ignoring it.
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  • [17:25:24] <jay6981> those naming conventions aren't very good btw??? the omap35xx is also called "sitara"
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  • [17:25:31] <SilicaGel> oops
  • [17:25:41] <SilicaGel> what's the best way to refer to it then, am335x ?
  • [17:25:49] <jay6981> i think that's least ambiguous
  • [17:25:58] <SilicaGel> shit, I probably made the same mistake on the mailing list, then :(
  • [17:26:08] <jay6981> i think it's TI's fault
  • [17:26:53] <SilicaGel> AM33XX_IRQ_ICSS0_1 ahh HAH what is THAT
  • [17:27:37] <SilicaGel> I wonder if it's something like Interrupt Controller Subsystem
  • [17:28:07] <jay6981> they usually call interrupt controller INTC
  • [17:29:01] <quantumi> So, when you unmount the BeagleBone USB storage, the USB-to-Ethernet interface should automatically start, says the README. Am I supposed to see a new link (in ip link) on the host machine? The host machine is linux.
  • [17:29:06] <jay6981> you're trying to understand the clock tree for pruss?
  • [17:29:35] <SilicaGel> some dude named amit shah at t.i. sent me some patches, i'm tyring to figure them out beacuse they don't line up perfectly with my kernel
  • [17:29:53] <SilicaGel> they seem to do a few things, ike add a clocks to the platform so you can get them with clk_reg()
  • [17:29:58] <SilicaGel> which is good i guess
  • [17:30:05] <SilicaGel> but they REMOVE one called icss and I don't know waht taht is
  • [17:30:12] <SilicaGel> static struct omap_hwmod am33xx_icss_hwmod = { ... }
  • [17:30:15] <SilicaGel> sounds scary doesn't it?
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  • [17:31:00] <SilicaGel> "uio_pruss driver was unable to load due to gpmc driver bug wherein the gpmc_irq for AM33XX was being set to INT_34XX_GPMC_IRQ."
  • [17:31:08] <SilicaGel> I'm not sure what the hell that means, either
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  • [17:31:44] <SilicaGel> If you don't want to hear it from me any more it's ok to tell me to shut up
  • [17:32:38] * LetoThe2nd inserts an old aerosmith record and cranks up "shut up and dance" to full volume :)
  • [17:32:52] <SilicaGel> .oO( Thank God it wasn't Dude Looks Like a Lady )
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  • [17:36:47] <jay6981> gpmc is for talking to flash memory usually
  • [17:37:11] <SilicaGel> oh yeah i see that ... that's pretty nice!!!
  • [17:37:19] <quantumi> is there a separate channel for the beaglbone?
  • [17:37:22] <SilicaGel> I don't know how taht impacts this though
  • [17:37:28] <SilicaGel> yeah there is, but it's really really quiet
  • [17:37:41] <dberg> any advice for the Angstrom resolution? ^^
  • [17:37:57] <SilicaGel> The PRU's memory, it is static ram isn't it? the DMEMs and shared memory?
  • [17:38:36] <av500> quantumi: not that I know of
  • [17:38:52] <av500> and it would be the same situation as for the mailing list
  • [17:39:02] <SilicaGel> yeah, there's a #beaglebone on freenode. Like I said, though, it's super quiet.
  • [17:39:16] <av500> for the same reason that the bone ml is queit
  • [17:39:18] <av500> quiet
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  • [17:39:28] <jay6981> it's probably sram if you don't have to do anything to make it work
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  • [17:42:09] <SilicaGel> #define AM33XX_PRUSS_SHAREDRAM_BASE 0x4a310000
  • [17:42:10] <SilicaGel> YAY
  • [17:42:37] <jay6981> ICSS doesn't seem to be documented in the TRM, is there a register address you can cross reference?
  • [17:42:46] <SilicaGel> let me see
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  • [17:43:07] <jay6981> perhaps its related to that undocumented M3 power control stiff
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  • [17:44:21] <SilicaGel> static struct omap_hwmod am33xx_pruss_hwmod = { .clkdm_name = "icss_ocp_clkdm", }
  • [17:44:24] <SilicaGel> i found that snippet
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  • [17:45:54] <jay6981> maybe it's an old name for something
  • [17:46:12] <SilicaGel> * This file is automatically generated from the AM33XX hardware databases.
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  • [17:46:16] <SilicaGel> #define AM33XX_DMA_ICSS0_7 0
  • [17:46:50] <SilicaGel> mach-omap2/omap_hwmod_33xx_data.c:/* PRUSS/ICSS */
  • [17:46:56] <SilicaGel> could it be ... an old name for the pruss?
  • [17:47:46] <SilicaGel> Webinar topics include Industrial Communications (ICSS PRU, robust analog interface devices), Motor Control (analog motor control, embedded processors for motor control), PLC I/O Modules, Human-Machine Interfaces, and Industrial Sensors. Register here.
  • [17:47:48] <SilicaGel> AhhHAH
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  • [17:48:58] <jay6981> yeah sounds like they changed the name
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  • [17:50:39] <jmole> would the beaglebone or beagleboard be better for openCV?
  • [17:50:53] <av500> depends
  • [17:51:16] <SilicaGel> ok are you ready for this jay:
  • [17:51:16] <SilicaGel> >This is the OCMC-RAM in TRM - 64KB outside PRUSS. IMEM is the PRU code space - these are mapped to load the firmware to PRUs from ARM application. DMEM is data memory with low latency access from PRUs -again used for PRU internal processing and sharing data with ARM application.
  • [17:51:24] <SilicaGel> >In the previous generation of PRUSS - DMEM within PRUSS was very limited (512 bytes each) so it did make sense to use OCMC-RAM outside PRUSS. But here PRUSS DMEM is quite big and for most applications this shall be good.
  • [17:51:28] <SilicaGel> what the hell is he talking about
  • [17:51:34] <jmole> i'm looking for eventual integration into a product, and they claim that the beaglebone is easier to replicate since it doesn't use POP memory, but i have my doubts about that
  • [17:51:44] <jmole> seems like routing DDR signals is more challenging to me
  • [17:51:50] <SilicaGel> you know
  • [17:51:56] <SilicaGel> i did some work with this freescale dsp
  • [17:51:58] <SilicaGel> and i thought the same thing
  • [17:52:15] <av500> jmole: pop is easy these days
  • [17:52:24] <jmole> av500: that's what I'm saying
  • [17:52:27] <av500> if you can solder .4mm bga, you can add pop
  • [17:52:27] <SilicaGel> but the pinout of that particular dsp aligned with standard sdram chips in a way that I was able to route the whole data and address bus on a single layer with no wire crossing
  • [17:52:32] <Russ> jmole, the actually memory is apparently hard to get
  • [17:52:47] <Russ> jmole, the components on the beaglebone should be easier to source
  • [17:52:49] <av500> Russ: you sure?
  • [17:52:58] <SilicaGel> They shoudl be easier to source *eventually*
  • [17:53:04] <ds2> eh?
  • [17:53:05] <Russ> that's what jkridner said
  • [17:53:14] <Russ> ddr2 vs lpddr
  • [17:53:14] <LetoThe2nd> thats what i also heard, the sitara stuff should be longterm catalog
  • [17:53:17] <av500> yes, but that is cargo cult
  • [17:53:19] <jay6981> SilicaGel: they're talking about the OCM (on chip memory) SRAM the SoC uses for bootstrapping
  • [17:53:19] <SilicaGel> If you actualyl go looking though, the AM335x still isn't available from most places
  • [17:53:22] <SilicaGel> and the PMIC = awful
  • [17:53:27] <ds2> no problems getting them
  • [17:53:32] <jmole> I was originally looking at tegra before beagle, and you can't get those unless you're in volumes of 100k+
  • [17:53:32] <SilicaGel> The PMIC is listed on a few places but at qty.2500
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  • [17:54:02] <SilicaGel> So I *hope* the PMIC + AM335x will be somethign I can really buy from avnet, digikey, whatever, but I'm a little concerned.
  • [17:54:13] <mdp> Well, that's just a ramping issue
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  • [17:54:15] <jay6981> nvidia is too secretive anyways
  • [17:54:16] <jkridner> SilicaGel: it is supposed to be orderable. I'll go bug the marketing folks to get the right ordering information.
  • [17:54:18] <SilicaGel> jay6981: after bootstrapping, is it not used?
  • [17:54:31] <jmole> maybe i'll just buy both the bone and the board and figure out which one works best
  • [17:54:32] <av500> jay6981: exactly
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  • [17:54:38] <mdp> You'll be able to source them eventually :)
  • [17:54:42] <jay6981> SilicaGel: it's still available for use??? not sure if anything actually uses it
  • [17:54:43] <SilicaGel> jkridner: it has been really tough even getting information on the PMIC. Mid month I think they finally posted the full data sheet
  • [17:54:51] <av500> guys like nvidia and QC dont want you anyway
  • [17:55:12] <av500> TI will want you if you promise to buy many level shifters
  • [17:55:23] <SilicaGel> I do
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  • [17:55:26] <SilicaGel> the fancy kind of level shifters, too
  • [17:55:28] <mdp> a500, no different than the OMAP guys
  • [17:55:28] <SilicaGel> the kind that work on MMC
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  • [17:55:59] <av500> mdp: maybe the MDBU will change that :)
  • [17:56:23] <eFfeM> hi, anyone experience with ubuntu on beaglebone? it boots for me, I get a console, see the boot log, but can't type at the login prompt, anyone an idea ?
  • [17:56:23] <jmole> what the speed difference between the bone and the xm?
  • [17:56:35] <woglinde> effem ask ubuntu
  • [17:56:43] <jay6981> SilicaGel: they're saying the old PRU had to use memory outside the PRUSS because the DMEMs were too small
  • [17:56:54] <SilicaGel> oh i see
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  • [17:57:11] <SilicaGel> jay6981: you're good at figuring things out. and helping me figure things out. thanks.
  • [17:57:16] <jay6981> no prob
  • [17:57:16] <eFfeM> woglinde: I would expect this to be specific to the beaglebbone as I used RCN's preconfigured image
  • [17:57:31] <LetoThe2nd> eFfeM: if you stick to http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Demo_Image and actually read what it says, not just copypasta things, it should work fine :)
  • [17:57:38] <woglinde> hm didnt see rcn for a while
  • [17:57:41] * SilicaGel Do Not Eat
  • [17:57:50] <woglinde> food
  • [17:57:53] <av500> LetoThe2nd: rcn did a bone image?
  • [17:58:13] <av500> eFfeM: where is my picture frame btw?
  • [17:58:19] <av500> its like 3ys now!!!!!!!!
  • [17:58:28] <LetoThe2nd> av500: rcn did an image including setup script that supports the whould beagle/panda/bone shebang
  • [17:58:29] <dwery> SilicaGel: regarding those patches... which kernel are you currently using?
  • [17:58:51] <av500> LetoThe2nd: ah
  • [17:58:53] <eFfeM> av500: activity stopped (actually lost the job at the company I developed part of it)
  • [17:58:58] <SilicaGel> Currently i-sdk-am335x-evm-05.03.01.00/board-support/linux-3.1.0-psp04.06.00.03.sdk but I've also bitbaked an angstrom 3.1
  • [17:59:05] <SilicaGel> There are reasons to use both, which is really unfortunate.
  • [17:59:05] <LetoThe2nd> av500: check the link, maybe scroll down a bit.
  • [17:59:12] <eFfeM> av500: I'm now working on amahi (www.amahi.org) was trying to see if I could get it on the bone too
  • [17:59:13] <SilicaGel> The DCAN stuff AFAIK still isn't in T.I. linuxsdk
  • [17:59:14] <av500> LetoThe2nd: I dont check links
  • [17:59:20] <SilicaGel> It's in angstrom, though people tell me it has problems
  • [17:59:24] <dwery> SilicaGel: 'cos I've seen similar patches for the d_can and they applied to 3.2 iirc
  • [17:59:34] <LetoThe2nd> av500: hrhr
  • [17:59:34] <SilicaGel> oh?
  • [17:59:40] <av500> eFfeM: ah, mahi
  • [17:59:45] <dwery> but maybe it was 3.1 and I was using 3.0
  • [17:59:49] <woglinde> homse server
  • [17:59:50] <dwery> anyway they touched the clock settings
  • [17:59:51] <woglinde> oh my
  • [17:59:53] <SilicaGel> dwery: do said patches have to do with routing clocks around, mostly?
  • [17:59:54] <SilicaGel> ahhh
  • [17:59:57] <SilicaGel> that's useful information
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  • [18:00:05] <dwery> clock names and similar things
  • [18:00:11] <dwery> d_can was buggy as hell :D
  • [18:00:20] <dwery> no chances it would have worked before
  • [18:00:29] <SilicaGel> when i talked to folks on the t.i. forums about DCAN a while back (more than a month) they were telling me look at angstrom, git clone off the trunk and you'll be further ahead than our stuff
  • [18:01:01] <dwery> ahead with bugs :D
  • [18:01:23] <SilicaGel> the DCAN is on my list of stuff to do, but it can wait probably another month, so I was really hoping to defer worrying about it and see if the drivers matured
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  • [18:01:38] <dwery> they made nasty things with a string buffer, like overwriting it
  • [18:01:40] <SilicaGel> this of course all means kernel gyrations for me, and the more friggin drivers/modules I have to patch, recompile, etc. the worse life will be
  • [18:02:03] <SilicaGel> oh geeze, so you're talking general code quality issues
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  • [18:02:19] <dwery> yes. but it's fixed now
  • [18:02:34] <SilicaGel> did anyone get flogged?
  • [18:02:46] <dwery> someone did not understand proper use of memory allocation vs stack
  • [18:03:15] <dwery> I guess they have different dewvelopes on that
  • [18:03:15] <woglinde> .o(I bet the india team)
  • [18:03:27] <dwery> developers*
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  • [18:03:46] <SilicaGel> dwery: well, if there's one thing we learned from star wars, it's that such failures should be met with an invisible choking
  • [18:03:53] <dwery> :D
  • [18:04:10] <dwery> corporal punishment shoudl be allowed in such circumstances
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  • [18:04:53] <dwery> the rest of the code seems fine
  • [18:04:59] <dwery> I'll review it when I get some spare time
  • [18:05:17] <SilicaGel> It's a PF_CAN socket interface from the userspace side right
  • [18:05:20] <SilicaGel> I hate that interface
  • [18:05:27] <dwery> SocketCAN. works nicely
  • [18:05:31] <SilicaGel> does it?
  • [18:05:34] <SilicaGel> I hate it :(
  • [18:05:45] <dwery> any particular reason?
  • [18:05:54] <SilicaGel> you'll make fun of me :(
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  • [18:06:22] <dwery> I'll be good :D
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  • [18:06:36] <SilicaGel> I made a PC/104 dual CAN + J1708 board out of an FPGA and wrote a kernel driver for it, but I rpesented a character-mode device to userspace
  • [18:06:59] <dwery> whoa! that's a great piece of work!
  • [18:07:01] <SilicaGel> Yeah. Well ... my complaint is that all our health management software is written in java, and you can't access PF_CAN sockets
  • [18:07:05] <SilicaGel> from java.
  • [18:07:13] <dwery> uhm.. strange you can't
  • [18:07:21] <dwery> it's a socket anyway
  • [18:07:23] <SilicaGel> yeah java only understands TCP sockets and UDP sockets
  • [18:07:30] <woglinde> o.O
  • [18:07:31] <SilicaGel> it doesn't have the ability to open some other kind of socket
  • [18:07:32] <woglinde> wrong
  • [18:07:36] <woglinde> unixsocket
  • [18:07:37] <SilicaGel> uh oh
  • [18:07:39] <dwery> SilicaGel: raw sockets?
  • [18:07:45] <woglinde> from matthew
  • [18:07:49] <SilicaGel> libmatthew yeah
  • [18:07:51] <woglinde> you need that fot dbus
  • [18:08:01] <SilicaGel> i'm familiar with that.
  • [18:08:06] <SilicaGel> I meant to say it can't access it without JNI (or JNA)
  • [18:08:14] <dwery> you can easily bridge can over udp
  • [18:08:23] <SilicaGel> yeah, I could do that
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  • [18:08:44] <SilicaGel> Ultimately I WILL do something like that, because the whole world has decided that sockets are the API to interface to CAN
  • [18:08:45] <jay6981> java can't do raw sockets or even ICMP
  • [18:08:48] <eFfeM> LetoThe2nd: went over the page again, it is definitely not responding to omap over the network, I have console output but no input (this means it *is* the proper tty), network does not get an ip addr. no idea where I went wrong
  • [18:09:06] <SilicaGel> and, while I don't agree with that decision, complying with it probably gives me greater flexibility in the future.
  • [18:09:10] <dwery> SilicaGel: did you pay royalties to Mr Bosch too? :D
  • [18:09:23] <SilicaGel> for when I want to use an off the shelf PEAK adapter, N.I. adapter, or the like.
  • [18:09:37] <dwery> oh well, I hate gnome 3 but I guess I'll have to live with it..
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  • [18:09:42] <LetoThe2nd> eFfeM: no idea right now, i used that just a few hours ago and it worked like a charm :)
  • [18:09:54] <SilicaGel> ME TOO
  • [18:10:05] <SilicaGel> I am going to miss Kubuntu very much :(((
  • [18:10:09] <eFfeM> ah ok, good
  • [18:10:10] <woglinde> effem pull the sd and set network manually
  • [18:10:14] <dwery> SilicaGel: which FPGA did you use?
  • [18:10:17] <jay6981> bbiab
  • [18:10:24] <SilicaGel> a Spartan
  • [18:10:33] <SilicaGel> Oh that's why you asked about royalties hehe
  • [18:10:36] * SilicaGel whistles
  • [18:10:47] <dwery> some says the patent has expired
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  • [18:10:59] <dwery> but I'm not willing to check..
  • [18:11:05] <eFfeM> woglinde: yeah just decided to so do
  • [18:11:31] <SilicaGel> yeah
  • [18:11:44] <SilicaGel> we actually took tha tboard to production but replaced the all fpga one with a couple of SJA1000s
  • [18:11:54] <SilicaGel> to free up logic space for doing a better job with the J1708 decoding
  • [18:11:58] <dwery> I'd love to have a 3.3v version of the sja
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  • [18:13:21] <SilicaGel> dwery: all I use around here for programmable logic is xilinx, because the tools are cheap and in many cases free. I've done a little bit of stuff with alterra but their software is pretty terrible
  • [18:13:31] <dwery> agreed.
  • [18:13:38] <SilicaGel> I've come to like modelsim though
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  • [18:13:57] <SilicaGel> I used modelsim a lot before I knew about VHDL test benches
  • [18:14:18] <SilicaGel> I used TCL to model real world I/O :-)
  • [18:14:22] <SilicaGel> here let me show you an example!!!
  • [18:14:41] <dwery> :D
  • [18:14:57] <woglinde> for me was fun to programm with mitrion-c
  • [18:14:58] <SilicaGel> http://www.autofrog.com/~chrisp/Projects/Electronics/NixieClock/Sim.jpg
  • [18:15:12] <SilicaGel> That's modelsim running a nixie tube clock I built out of a xilinx CPLD
  • [18:15:18] <dwery> ouch!
  • [18:15:26] <SilicaGel> the outputs of the CPLD drove the elements of the nixie tubes
  • [18:15:44] <dwery> nice stuff
  • [18:15:57] <SilicaGel> so I wrote something in modelsim that would let me draw pictures of the actual tubes, and those buttons are fakning the real physical buttons to set the clock
  • [18:16:20] <SilicaGel> It ran something somewhat close to 'real time' but with modelsim you can of course probe even internal signals. It was fun
  • [18:16:29] <dwery> I bet it took more than writing the VHDL
  • [18:16:40] <SilicaGel> actually i twasn't bad!
  • [18:17:04] <SilicaGel> modelsim has (had?) a tcl interface, and you could directly see cpld signals (pins as well as internal) as if they were tcl variables
  • [18:17:07] <SilicaGel> by their names
  • [18:17:15] <SilicaGel> so like my signal dsp_hrs_l I could refer to from tcl
  • [18:17:30] <SilicaGel> then based on those, it was just a big case stement to decide which .jpg to display in which of the six positions
  • [18:17:34] <dwery> never got to grasp tcl
  • [18:17:37] <SilicaGel> TCL is pretty awful.
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  • [18:17:53] <SilicaGel> Back in the day though, a ton of EDA tools used tcl as a built in scripting language
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  • [18:18:22] <dwery> they never got to grasp PERL :D
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  • [18:18:44] <SilicaGel> i guess
  • [18:18:47] <SilicaGel> I'm captain java now though
  • [18:18:57] <SilicaGel> so my dream is that everything has groovy built into it
  • [18:19:02] <SilicaGel> :heart: groovy
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  • [18:20:28] <SilicaGel> I've got this truck simulator I built ... let me show you: https://picasaweb.google.com/108380917869049424169/ImagineRIT2011?authkey=Gv1sRgCMK0873ii5aO8wE#5604692174577057986
  • [18:21:02] <SilicaGel> It has groovy built into it as a scripting language to react to events. So it simulates the truck's CAN databus, and it spits out things like coolant temp, engine rpm, wheel speed, oil pressure ...
  • [18:21:10] <dwery> !!
  • [18:21:12] <SilicaGel> what
  • [18:21:20] <SilicaGel> Don't ask me who that girl is driving, I have no idea
  • [18:21:31] <SilicaGel> oh man holy crap yes I do, it's my wife
  • [18:21:32] <SilicaGel> hahaha
  • [18:21:34] <SilicaGel> <-- idiot
  • [18:21:35] <dwery> :D
  • [18:22:16] <dwery> so you do that for a living?
  • [18:22:40] <SilicaGel> That simulator has an engine and weight model built into it that's accurate, I developed it as a training tool to demonstrate to drivers how they can drive the same course and get 6 mpg, or 3 mpg, just based on how they accelerate and shift gears.
  • [18:22:52] <dwery> and they cared?
  • [18:22:59] <SilicaGel> Oh we make them care :)
  • [18:23:02] <SilicaGel> haha
  • [18:23:13] <SilicaGel> actually I work for a university, I'm a research engineer. I work on a lot of different things.
  • [18:23:27] <dwery> nice
  • [18:23:29] <SilicaGel> The most consistent of those things over the past 10 years has been vehicle diagnostic systems
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  • [18:23:41] <SilicaGel> which CURRENTLY are mostly x86, Intel atoms and crap
  • [18:23:52] <SilicaGel> I'm on a one man crusade to push them all to arm
  • [18:23:55] <dwery> I know of a bone with CAN bus :D
  • [18:24:05] <SilicaGel> I keep telling everyone, you need to think like a cell phone, not like a small personal computer
  • [18:24:19] <woglinde> silicagel where is jwinnipeg?
  • [18:24:30] <SilicaGel> he's in Tampa on vacation!
  • [18:24:33] <SilicaGel> He'll be back on Monday
  • [18:24:41] <woglinde> ah
  • [18:24:48] <woglinde> any decision made?
  • [18:24:55] <woglinde> for java?
  • [18:25:33] <SilicaGel> Not really. We're doing a lot of performance testing right now with the oracle jre 6 headless vfp
  • [18:25:42] <SilicaGel> the performance is spectacular
  • [18:25:48] <woglinde> on fosdem I attend the openjdk arm-asm talk from andrew haily
  • [18:25:55] <SilicaGel> but we're still hoping to *not* use that
  • [18:26:10] <SilicaGel> Oh yeah? What are your feelings on its readiness for prime time?
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  • [18:26:31] <av500> just use android, it has fast java :)
  • [18:26:42] <av500> fast non-java :)
  • [18:26:51] <woglinde> hm some features missing like safepoints and voilatile
  • [18:27:02] <woglinde> which ed didnt care about or didnt had the time
  • [18:27:09] <SilicaGel> woglinde: do you want to see what jwinnebeck looks like? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MaoeouaPCl4HyO6gmdsWtc-wfef3cGFziAjyAyijx1o?feat=directlink
  • [18:27:10] <woglinde> but they will be adressed
  • [18:27:48] * woglinde fights with the fucking not threadsafeness of java webservicestack
  • [18:27:48] <SilicaGel> That's him driving our truck simulator in my lab. He actually did 99% of the work on that truck simulator, he knows about 3D graphics and OpenGL and triangles and all that mumbo jumbo.
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  • [18:28:14] <av500> that lab is too clean
  • [18:28:21] <woglinde> its a sim
  • [18:28:23] <SilicaGel> oh no it's not, the dirty parts are behind you
  • [18:28:25] <av500> yep
  • [18:28:39] <av500> SilicaGel: how do you know what my lab looks like? :)
  • [18:28:43] <SilicaGel> haha
  • [18:28:52] <Russ> are those supposed to be xeyes?
  • [18:28:56] <SilicaGel> Hahahaha
  • [18:28:58] <SilicaGel> yes hahahahahahahahahaha
  • [18:29:09] <av500> hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahhahahahhaaha
  • [18:29:12] <SilicaGel> you probably can't see it, but if you zoomed in, there's actually an X "close" box to the upper right of the eyes
  • [18:29:25] <Russ> nice touch
  • [18:29:29] <SilicaGel> haha
  • [18:29:33] <SilicaGel> that's my office btw, with the xeyes
  • [18:30:04] <SilicaGel> they told me I could live in the cube farm, or I could build my own cube in my lab, so I did the latter
  • [18:30:49] <SilicaGel> hahaha i am so happy right now, because you recognized them as xeyes. Most people around here think I'm just plain insane. They have no dea why I put eyeballs on my wall.
  • [18:31:18] <av500> yes, true: http://i.imgur.com/NqqS8.png
  • [18:31:28] <SilicaGel> HAHAHA
  • [18:31:41] <Russ> damn, I've been so brainwashed, I was looking at the upper left
  • [18:31:45] <av500> damn, I forgot to apply the CSI filter...
  • [18:32:14] <djlewis> yeah, those csi filters can make something out of "nothing"
  • [18:32:39] <SilicaGel> in that picture, that little screen on the right is what gets installed in trucks
  • [18:32:49] <SilicaGel> it gives the drivers feedback and coaches them to drive better to conserve fuel
  • [18:33:16] <SilicaGel> Some day that will be driven by a little arm that will look suspiciously like the beaglebone reference design :D
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  • [18:33:33] <av500> the driver will be replaced by an arm?
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  • [18:33:55] <SilicaGel> yes, we don't need him to have legs or a torso once we move the pedals up next to the steering wheel
  • [18:33:56] <mranostay> boo perl :)
  • [18:35:47] <eFfeM> woglinde: hardcoding an interface works like a charm, guess my usb is somewhat flakey, this time it stopped halfway the bootlog (butit got up completely)
  • [18:36:22] <woglinde> effem usb is a mess on bone
  • [18:36:33] <eFfeM> ahok
  • [18:36:35] <eFfeM> ah ok
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  • [18:36:58] <av500> s/on bone//
  • [18:38:26] <mranostay> er musb is on the bone?
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  • [18:39:04] <SilicaGel> What's the deal with USB disconnets being a total failure on the bone (usb port never works again) - has that been fixed? Last time I asked someone said (with some snark) "The smartest TI people india are working on that"
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  • [18:39:53] <av500> SilicaGel: same status
  • [18:40:20] <woglinde> SilicaGel jkridner may know
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  • [18:49:48] <Russ> I fixed that!
  • [18:49:54] <Russ> http://gitorious.org/clonetty
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  • [18:50:51] <SilicaGel> this problem we're seeing isn't just tty devices though, it's anything. When you plug in a device once it enumerates just fine. When you pull it out, and plug it back in, it refuses to enumerate ever again
  • [18:51:05] <SilicaGel> It happens with tty type devices, but it also happens with things like our usb accelerometers and PEAK can adapters
  • [18:52:03] <av500> Russ: that does not help me. on my dev PC I lose about one ttyUSBx per day
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  • [18:52:14] <av500> for ever since the usb bus reset and that tty stays allocated or so
  • [18:52:19] <Russ> av500, I remember that
  • [18:52:22] <mranostay> Russ: what you fix?
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  • [18:52:32] <Russ> av500, you need a fixed kernel
  • [18:52:50] <av500> Russ: I guess so, but I refuse to upgrade my 2008 linux install :)
  • [18:53:11] <Russ> mranostay, the problem where /dev/ttyUSB0 goes away everytime you reset or power cycle your board
  • [18:53:23] <mranostay> yeah udev rules?
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  • [18:54:00] <Russ> no, it clones /dev/ttyUSB0 to a pty and reopens it as necessary
  • [18:54:07] <Russ> maybe I should merge it with ttywatch
  • [18:55:42] * mranostay check that git repo
  • [18:55:46] <mranostay> *cheks
  • [18:55:49] <mranostay> gah checks
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  • [19:20:20] <SilicaGel> maybe the USB problem hasn't been fixed because they're busy working on this: http://www.dellchallenge.org/projects/humanure-power-project
  • [19:21:28] <SilicaGel> I'm sorry. That project is probably someone's life's work, and there I went and made fun of it.
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  • [19:21:57] <SilicaGel> I just keep thinking "I wonder if some day, with technology advancement, we'll be able to poop directly into the electrical socket." I don't know why that's what came to mind. Something wrong with me.
  • [19:22:29] <mdp> hehe
  • [19:23:05] <SilicaGel> well i dont' know
  • [19:23:06] <SilicaGel> probably not
  • [19:23:12] <woglinde> I think so
  • [19:23:14] <mdp> er, just caught the snarky comment from earlier
  • [19:23:15] <SilicaGel> the gist is make electricity out of human poo
  • [19:23:21] <woglinde> let the cows poop
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  • [19:23:31] <mru> burn it, drive turbine
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  • [19:23:36] <mru> works with almost anything
  • [19:23:44] <woglinde> hi mru
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  • [19:24:03] <djlewis> now if they can feed the populus so they can better make electricity.
  • [19:24:17] <mdp> jkridner_: what is the status on usb?
  • [19:25:14] <SilicaGel> djlewis: well there's two clear directions we will go in the future, but neither of them involve turning poop into food. The two choices are soylent green, and demolition man (all restaurants are taco bell)
  • [19:25:16] <jkridner_> in what context? well, whatever the context I don't have any updates that I know of???.
  • [19:25:29] <jkridner_> well, there is the bone automated tester stuff....
  • [19:25:33] <jkridner_> that is working.
  • [19:25:53] <jkridner_> are you specifically talking about the Bone and DMA?
  • [19:26:02] <SilicaGel> jkridner_: we were specifically talking about that when you unplug a device from the bone and plug it back in, it doesn't enumerate ever again
  • [19:26:12] <SilicaGel> it seemed to be a well known problem the last time I asked (a month ago)
  • [19:27:17] <jkridner_> ah, that vbus thing. I don't think it is fixed in the kernel, but koen has a userspace work-around.
  • [19:27:40] <jkridner_> which userspace is being used that doesn't work?
  • [19:27:44] <mdp> jkridner_: is that the hoky poky one?
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  • [19:28:07] <jkridner_> yeah??? it is the new hokey-pokey.
  • [19:28:11] <SilicaGel> I didn't knwo about a userspace workaround. What does it do? rmmod insmod something?
  • [19:29:04] <jkridner_> http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beaglebone/install.xml ??? search for hokey pokey
  • [19:29:30] <SilicaGel> You know what othe rproblem I'm wondering about, that I haven't heard about in a while? What's the deal with the PMIC battery support being for a 3.7V battery, but a 3.7V battery won't work on the bone because the overhead of the regulators makes it so that 3.7V is the MINIMUM input to run the thing
  • [19:29:49] <SilicaGel> What are you supposed to do about that? An external boost converter? I couldn't figure out how such a beast would hook into the PMIC to feed power back in
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  • [19:30:56] <jkridner_> the discussion here: http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2011-12-27
  • [19:32:08] <SilicaGel> echo F > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc.1
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  • [19:32:49] <SilicaGel> I wonder why F
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  • [19:33:53] <SilicaGel> av500: I see you linked a picture of kiera knightly in that conversation. haha.
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  • [19:35:16] <SilicaGel> 4. Request to switch-on the Vbus power using below command on any EVM.
  • [19:35:35] <SilicaGel> that's what "F" does for some reason. There's also "S" you can send it, where S means suspend.
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  • [19:35:51] <SilicaGel> F might mean FULL or something
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  • [19:45:35] <jsabeaudry> Anyone have some news regarding beaglebone FPGA capes?
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  • [19:46:41] <aholler_> hmm, I had a laugh at the ARM BOF ;)
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  • [19:49:14] <aholler_> But it wasn't trolling, I just said that for gentoo hardfloat is just a compiler flag ;)
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  • [19:50:03] <dberg> can anyone help me change resolution on my beagleboard xm for the angstrom image
  • [19:50:34] <mranostay> don't ask to ask
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  • [19:54:50] <SilicaGel> FPGA Cape!
  • [19:54:56] <SilicaGel> That sounds like a fantastic idea!
  • [19:54:58] <SilicaGel> What FPGA?
  • [19:55:04] <dberg> Well I'm running 2.6.32. Trying to follow this link: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Display_resolutions_.231
  • [19:55:24] <dberg> and I'm seemingly stuck at whatever the default resolution is
  • [19:55:56] <dberg> and I'm using this for compiling the boot.scr
  • [19:55:57] <dberg> http://guillaume.segu.in/blog/hackens/337/getting-started-with-your-brand-new-beagleboard-xm/
  • [19:57:06] <_av500_> dberg: and you uboot uses boot.scr?
  • [19:57:09] <_av500_> your
  • [19:57:20] <_av500_> because newer ones use uEnvt.txt
  • [19:57:26] <_av500_> pastebin your full boot log
  • [19:59:04] <dberg> i just saw reading uEnvt.txt go by
  • [19:59:13] <jsabeaudry> SilicaGel, Last time I headr something about it it was a Spartan 6 I beleive
  • [19:59:28] <_av500_> dberg: then stop beating on boot.scr :)
  • [19:59:37] <SilicaGel> nice
  • [19:59:58] <dberg> any resources for uEnvt.txt?
  • [20:00:32] <_av500_> you ask too quickly to have googled it
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  • [20:01:02] <ds2> ewwww musb
  • [20:01:04] * _av500_ goes to pull some cat-6
  • [20:01:06] <SilicaGel> I wonder what else is on the fpga cape
  • [20:01:40] <SilicaGel> maybe somebody should make a cape that has an avr on it, so we can make the arduino people shut up :)
  • [20:02:57] * _av500_ thinks we need a totally blank screen-protector cape
  • [20:03:51] <SilicaGel> I have three cape layouts in various stages of finished
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  • [20:03:55] <SilicaGel> one is a vehicle power supply
  • [20:03:58] <SilicaGel> one is an OBD-II interface
  • [20:04:04] <SilicaGel> one is high speed A/D for vibration
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  • [20:04:37] <_av500_> why not combine psu and obd?
  • [20:04:41] <ds2> blah
  • [20:04:42] <SilicaGel> size
  • [20:04:48] <SilicaGel> I am going to try to do that if I can
  • [20:04:55] <mranostay> FPGA cape? something that is 5x the cost of the Bone at least? :)
  • [20:04:57] <SilicaGel> but one of my key requirements is backup battery
  • [20:05:07] <SilicaGel> nah not a spartan 6
  • [20:05:07] <_av500_> SilicaGel: obd chips are 40pin dip?
  • [20:05:19] <SilicaGel> actually that's kind of interesting
  • [20:05:28] <SilicaGel> there's one that's in the form of a ... less than that ... 24 pin I think
  • [20:05:48] <ds2> make a pld cape
  • [20:05:52] <SilicaGel> yes, it's a 24 pin 0.600 wide
  • [20:06:06] <SilicaGel> but it's expensive, $60ish for the module.
  • [20:06:10] <ds2> elm scan stuff?
  • [20:06:21] <SilicaGel> basically, but it's based on the STN1100 chip
  • [20:06:23] <SilicaGel> rather than elm
  • [20:06:28] <SilicaGel> it emulates ELM327 though yeah
  • [20:07:03] <ds2> why not elm? aren't theylike dip16?
  • [20:07:05] <SilicaGel> for post-2008 vehicles it shouldn't even be necessary, it can all just be can, if one happens to know J1979, which it happens I do
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  • [20:07:32] <SilicaGel> Only because the STN is a bit faster, and it has more flexible power-down modes. There's nothing wrong with an elm too.
  • [20:07:35] <xxiao> LINicks
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  • [20:07:50] <SilicaGel> I'm trying to pit a GPS module on this thing too
  • [20:08:01] <SilicaGel> and if I can, the LS Research wifi/bluetooth module, but that thing scares the living shit out of me.
  • [20:08:26] <_av500_> SilicaGel: should not, its one the panda
  • [20:08:34] <SilicaGel> Is it?
  • [20:08:38] <_av500_> SilicaGel: but if you have a choise use some other module
  • [20:08:43] <SilicaGel> I should look at that schematic
  • [20:08:52] <SilicaGel> really, why is that?
  • [20:09:02] <_av500_> ti is not the only wifi maker
  • [20:09:06] <xxiao> _av500_: why is that, never used that gps thing though
  • [20:09:15] <SilicaGel> I wa slooking at that particular one beacuse I was under the impression that I would get driver support, and beacuse I also need bluetooth and the combined synchronized package is nice
  • [20:09:21] <xxiao> the new wilink hopefully has a better gps
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  • [20:09:34] <_av500_> yes, hope dies last
  • [20:09:40] <_av500_> (we say here)
  • [20:10:16] <SilicaGel> the thing that bothers me about the TiWi-R2 is that it uses some wacky voltage on the SDIO necessatiting that you use one of those wacky sensing bidirectional level translators
  • [20:10:24] <SilicaGel> Everyone tells me watch out, timing through them is a huge problem
  • [20:10:47] * xxiao is assigned to 6678 dsp bringup, the keystone power hungry chip from TI, had to learn all those sysbios from scratch
  • [20:11:23] <xxiao> TMS320C6678
  • [20:11:31] <xxiao> can run 10 android tables in one
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  • [20:11:45] <SilicaGel> I only need two, one implanted in each retina
  • [20:11:49] <xxiao> all with sysbios that is
  • [20:11:57] <SilicaGel> LS240-WI-A01-A20 ...that's not a TiWi-R2 I don't think
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  • [20:12:40] <SilicaGel> ...and that module on the pandaboard plugs directly into the omap4430
  • [20:12:43] <aholler> the next generation is always what you need ;)
  • [20:12:56] <SilicaGel> that's not possible with the TiWi-R2 / beaglebone combination beacuse the beaglebone's SDIO are 3.3V
  • [20:13:30] <SilicaGel> ok. So the pandaboard uses a TiWi-R1
  • [20:14:00] <dberg> _av500_: Thanks, I've got it working in 720p :D
  • [20:14:10] <SilicaGel> dammit. Disappointing. I was hoping to find some kind of reference design I could just steal.
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  • [20:15:57] <aholler> the hokey-pokey-rules are great ;)
  • [20:16:04] <SilicaGel> aholler: works?
  • [20:16:14] <aholler> don't know
  • [20:16:24] <aholler> I never replug usb-device on musb
  • [20:16:30] <aholler> and I don't have a bone
  • [20:16:52] <aholler> I'm just using a bt-device on a beagle classic c4
  • [20:17:26] <aholler> and even for that I had to use one which doesn't rely on some firmeware (like the ath3k)
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  • [20:18:05] <SilicaGel> what device did you end up using?
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  • [20:18:39] <aholler> some bt-dongle which doesn't a firmware, a simple csr-usb one
  • [20:18:44] <SilicaGel> The WL0127 or whatever chipset in that TiWi-R2 module is nice in that the bluetooth and wifi cooperate as to not interfere with each other.
  • [20:19:09] <aholler> I use bt for everything, even for network.
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  • [20:19:22] <aholler> (with my beagle)
  • [20:19:25] <SilicaGel> what's th einterface to it then, usb? spi?
  • [20:19:35] <aholler> usb on musb
  • [20:20:18] <SilicaGel> I don't know a ton about bluetooth. There's some HCI spec and my understanding was that drivers weren't really necessary if the host adapter supported this HCI spec
  • [20:20:30] <SilicaGel> I know when I plug in any old wacky usb bluetooth thing into my pc, it just sorta works
  • [20:21:00] <aholler> yes, but e.g. the ath3k needs a binary firmware blob. And that fails with musb, because the device resets when the blob was transmitted
  • [20:21:05] <SilicaGel> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
  • [20:21:23] <aholler> and the musb-driver has a problem with that
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  • [20:22:44] <aholler> transfer starts (musb as host), device disconnects, musb-driver checks the hw-status for transmitting the result of the dma to the kernel, device is gone, musb thinks it is in client-mode, kernel gets a client answer for host-transmit ...
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  • [20:23:50] <aholler> fso dma starts in host-mode, but musb sends the rc as client-mode
  • [20:24:36] <aholler> kernel thinks firmware transmit failed ...
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  • [20:25:19] <aholler> I hope it was understandable, I'm a bit tired ;)
  • [20:30:59] <SilicaGel> yeah I gotcha
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  • [20:33:16] <SilicaGel> I'm glad you guys are here, and know what you're talking about, it makes me feel less alone
  • [20:33:23] <SilicaGel> with all these coworkers who don't even know what xeyes are
  • [20:33:36] <jay6981> haha
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  • [20:40:02] <aholler> btw. yesterday I learned that m$ will require uefi with acpi for arm-devices
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  • [20:40:38] <woglinde> aholler lol
  • [20:40:44] <aholler> I wonder what now happens with DT.
  • [20:41:04] <woglinde> hehe
  • [20:41:12] <woglinde> aks them about 4dwm
  • [20:41:27] <woglinde> the coworkers of course
  • [20:41:44] <woglinde> damn why jamvm is segfaulting at this point
  • [20:43:37] <aholler> 4dwm? coworkers? For me ARM is currently just a playground. I'm currently working (again) with HW I've never seen. But that might change sometimes in the future again ;)
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  • [20:44:20] <woglinde> no that was for silicagel
  • [20:44:21] <woglinde> sorry
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  • [20:44:30] <SilicaGel> hehe
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  • [20:45:05] <woglinde> it was so funny seeing the first version of kde
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  • [20:46:12] <woglinde> hm why is the jni env corrupted at this point
  • [20:46:13] <woglinde> hrms
  • [20:46:27] <aholler> the j is the problem ;)
  • [20:46:43] <woglinde> no
  • [20:46:47] <woglinde> it worked all before
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  • [20:46:59] <woglinde> maybee gcc 4.6.2
  • [20:47:45] <aholler> hmm, I'm pretty happy with 4.6.2, just needed one additional patch
  • [20:49:25] <woglinde> hm we need an older revision of gnuclasspath for the bootstrapping in oe
  • [20:49:46] <woglinde> and that seems not work well with latest gcc-4.6.2
  • [20:50:03] <aholler> maybe the same patch would help: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366253
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  • [20:52:22] <woglinde> I think debian unstable has it
  • [20:52:44] <SilicaGel> woglinde: have you used QT bindings for java? LIke jambi or something?
  • [20:53:06] <woglinde> silicalgel only short
  • [20:53:11] <woglinde> but its on my todo list
  • [20:53:21] <woglinde> maybee your company will sponsor the recipe?
  • [20:53:39] <woglinde> ah damnit oe-core works
  • [20:53:50] <SilicaGel> HAHA
  • [20:53:56] <SilicaGel> we're broke, we aren't sponsoring anything :(
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  • [20:55:13] <woglinde> lol
  • [20:55:14] <woglinde> okay
  • [20:55:54] <woglinde> hm so now I have to look up what I have changed btw core and classic
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  • [21:10:46] <cezane> hi all... Has anyone here ever used crosstool-ng to generate and configure a toolchain?
  • [21:11:05] <woglinde> I am not
  • [21:11:11] <woglinde> oe gives me much more options
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  • [21:21:24] <cezane> woglinde, for a begginer, is it easy to install/configure and work with oe?
  • [21:22:20] <woglinde> hm beginner at what?
  • [21:22:28] <woglinde> whole embedded and linux?
  • [21:24:24] <cezane> embedded linux + beagleboard
  • [21:24:38] <cezane> yes
  • [21:24:57] <aholler> there isn't such a thing as "embedded linux"
  • [21:25:41] <SilicaGel> except for uclinux
  • [21:25:46] <SilicaGel> but we're going to pretend that doesn't exist
  • [21:25:54] <SilicaGel> (for good reasons)
  • [21:26:03] <aholler> cezane: if you want to learn developing using linux, just use a pc to learn it.
  • [21:26:25] <cezane> aholler... if you are right, why there is books like this: OReilly.Building.Embedded.Linux.Systems.Aug.2008.eBook-DDU? (I am reading...)
  • [21:26:37] <woglinde> lol
  • [21:26:37] <aholler> and when you have finished your sw, just compile it for arm
  • [21:26:49] <woglinde> that book was outdated when it got printed
  • [21:26:51] <woglinde> as always
  • [21:27:01] <SilicaGel> or use java, so that you don't have to recompile squat
  • [21:27:04] <SilicaGel> :)
  • [21:27:12] <aholler> java will die
  • [21:27:18] <SilicaGel> !!!
  • [21:27:20] <woglinde> cezane for a beginner oe may a challange
  • [21:27:26] <woglinde> but other people took it too
  • [21:27:27] <SilicaGel> aholler: I can't believe you just threatened java
  • [21:27:33] <aholler> java is todays cobol ;)
  • [21:28:06] <SilicaGel> man, and I was just starting to like you guys
  • [21:28:28] <woglinde> its only aholler
  • [21:28:31] <jay6981> don't make the mistake of throwing us all in together
  • [21:28:44] <SilicaGel> oh heaven forbid
  • [21:29:10] <mru> java is already dead
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  • [21:29:38] <cezane> I started to see this link (OE - http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Getting_Started) , but I thought perharps it was easier to start with crosstool-ng...
  • [21:30:58] <SilicaGel> hrm
  • [21:31:05] <woglinde> mru why you believe that?
  • [21:31:13] <SilicaGel> if you have a linux desktop, anyway, or a vm, I really thought the linuxsdk was a pretty good place to start
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  • [21:31:27] <SilicaGel> I quickly outgrew it though
  • [21:32:00] <cezane> I already have the whole environment configured, except the toolchain...
  • [21:32:18] <cezane> I am running ubuntu at host and angstrom at beagle
  • [21:32:34] <SilicaGel> hmm i wonder how well it would work to install gcc on the bone itself and then use it to compile itself
  • [21:32:35] <woglinde> fishy fishy
  • [21:32:40] <woglinde> for my troll
  • [21:33:15] * jconnolly backs up woglinde
  • [21:33:18] <jconnolly> ;D
  • [21:33:24] <cezane> so, do you think its better for me programming at beagleboard?
  • [21:33:28] <aholler> cezane: the easiest way is to install task-sdk-native on angstrom and go on with compiling on the beagle
  • [21:33:55] <woglinde> aholler but thats lame
  • [21:34:03] <aholler> there is no need to fiddle with cross-compiling if you are starting with stuff like hello world or such
  • [21:34:49] <woglinde> but he dont learns about build-system and packaging
  • [21:34:52] <aholler> cezane: otherwise you will get frustrated faster than you can say "hello world"
  • [21:35:14] <cezane> it will not become the system slow?
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  • [21:35:57] <woglinde> ?
  • [21:36:02] <aholler> cezane: how many thousand of line of code you want to write?
  • [21:36:33] <cezane> at begin, just hello world, while I am learning...
  • [21:36:39] * djlewis percieves OE for overal fs work and cross building for medium size projects and BB local build for small projects
  • [21:37:06] <cezane> but in a few days I will have to make an app to read some sensors and send to a server
  • [21:37:18] <djlewis> small change
  • [21:37:51] <aholler> you will need just minutes to compile such native on the beagle, against weeks to learn how to cross-compile something.
  • [21:38:00] <cezane> I will do this through serial port
  • [21:38:06] <cezane> or, maybe, usb
  • [21:38:33] <djlewis> which beagle?
  • [21:38:55] <woglinde> i2c?
  • [21:38:59] <woglinde> for sensor
  • [21:39:09] <cezane> xm
  • [21:39:21] <cezane> beagle xm
  • [21:39:23] <woglinde> you even can do it via javascript like koen did
  • [21:39:45] <djlewis> cezane: plug in a monitor, kybd and mouse and treat it like a computer
  • [21:39:59] <woglinde> djlewis thats lame too
  • [21:40:03] <cezane> for the sensor, I am not sure... maybe they use the hart communication protocol
  • [21:40:05] <djlewis> :)
  • [21:40:24] <aholler> woglinde: you should never try to become a teacher
  • [21:40:25] <djlewis> I tried the OE bit, easy brain overload for me :)
  • [21:40:32] <cezane> djlewis, its already like you said...
  • [21:40:38] <woglinde> cezane hm funny that you nothing about your task
  • [21:40:43] <woglinde> +know
  • [21:40:50] <woglinde> aholler I am already one
  • [21:40:50] <djlewis> then do as was mentioned, instal the toolchain and go at it.
  • [21:41:23] <aholler> woglinde: poor pupils
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  • [21:42:10] <aholler> if you teach them to learn cross-compiling before theyeven know how to use linux native.
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  • [21:43:11] <woglinde> how do I use linux native?
  • [21:43:20] <woglinde> thats an intressting question
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  • [21:43:58] <c4milo> what's linux native?
  • [21:44:01] <c4milo> ^^
  • [21:44:07] <woglinde> ask a holler
  • [21:44:18] <aholler> NOT CROSS COMPILING
  • [21:44:20] <cezane> woglinde, I did not see the sensors yet... I did not have access to their datasheets or something like these, no docs were passed to me yet
  • [21:44:25] <aholler> is that so hard to understand?
  • [21:44:35] <aholler> sorry, boys, thats just silly
  • [21:44:39] <cezane> so, I dont have much info about them
  • [21:44:54] <woglinde> aholler you mean there is a diffrent if I call gcc or arm-gcc?
  • [21:46:09] <aholler> sorry, but I will no discuss that further
  • [21:46:40] <aholler> cross-compile e.g. perl, than ask again
  • [21:46:49] <jconnolly> heh, hrw used to call me 'gcc -OMG'
  • [21:47:05] <woglinde> hm I bitbake does that for me
  • [21:47:07] * SilicaGel slaps ka6sox about a bit with a pair of 3-500Z in push-pull configuration
  • [21:47:11] <jay6981> settle down beavis
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  • [21:47:38] <dm8tbr> SilicaGel: kinky!
  • [21:47:56] <SilicaGel> my cross compilers usually aren't called gcc-arm, they're called something really awful. Like gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi-lewinsky-cigar-gcc
  • [21:47:57] <woglinde> cezane anyway did you decice which lang do you want to use?
  • [21:48:06] <woglinde> maybee python would be usefull
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  • [21:48:15] <c4milo> javascript
  • [21:48:18] <c4milo> ^^
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  • [21:48:38] <woglinde> c4milo the server sending part maybee a bit harderd in jscript
  • [21:48:40] <woglinde> hm
  • [21:48:44] <SilicaGel> dm8tbr: I felt he needed a full kilowatt.
  • [21:49:05] <dm8tbr> sure, 1kW that's where you start to get close to QRO
  • [21:49:07] <dm8tbr> QRO! Because life's too short for QRP!
  • [21:49:21] <cezane> woglinde, I am thinking in use c++...
  • [21:49:31] <SilicaGel> I agree. What's with these guys building a transistor out of a colorburst crystal and a 2N2222. Insanity.
  • [21:49:37] <SilicaGel> s/transistor/radio/
  • [21:49:39] <aholler> cezane: good decision ;)
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  • [21:49:41] <SilicaGel> my brain immediately jumped to the PA, see that?
  • [21:49:53] <woglinde> cezane are you sure?
  • [21:50:00] <a2cypher> Hey folks.
  • [21:50:05] <woglinde> I bet with python would be easier and faster
  • [21:50:09] <woglinde> to develop
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  • [21:50:25] <djlewis> SilicaGel: gets them in the ham band
  • [21:50:43] <woglinde> cezane soap for data transfer?
  • [21:50:49] <woglinde> or json?
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  • [21:51:36] <aholler> json for data-transfer?
  • [21:52:00] <c4milo> or a binary protocol like protobuffers or msgpack
  • [21:52:10] <c4milo> btw, what's linux native?
  • [21:52:20] <woglinde> -> 22:48 < woglinde> c4milo the server sending part maybee a bit harderd in jscript
  • [21:52:39] <c4milo> nodejs?
  • [21:53:23] <woglinde> client side
  • [21:53:31] <woglinde> his task looks like
  • [21:53:41] <woglinde> get sensor-data push them somehwere
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  • [21:53:55] <woglinde> or maybee the server polls
  • [21:54:00] <woglinde> who knows
  • [21:54:04] <jconnolly> this sounds like bugswarm ;D
  • [21:54:05] <jay6981> websocket
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  • [21:54:23] <jconnolly> http://bugswarm.net/
  • [21:54:29] <jconnolly> </pitch>
  • [21:54:30] <jay6981> rest calls
  • [21:54:44] <woglinde> jconnolly dont make shamless commercial
  • [21:54:56] <jconnolly> ;D last time
  • [21:55:25] <aholler> just use emacs, that handles everything and is as good as using json or soap for "data-transfers" ;)
  • [21:55:28] <cezane> woglinde... I saw last year that rest is better for embedded apps... so, I am thinking in use rest, writed in python (rest_django_framework)
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  • [21:57:49] <cezane> woglind, besides this, do you think python is better to do this? Is not the c++ support better for this kind of apps?
  • [21:57:59] <woglinde> cezane it only matters when you only have battery supply
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  • [21:58:38] <aholler> oh it gets even more interesting ;)
  • [21:58:49] <cezane> I did not understand...
  • [21:59:15] <woglinde> aholler popcorn out?
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  • [22:00:47] <woglinde> cezane to be honest use the stuff you are familiar with
  • [22:01:01] <woglinde> the task isnt a hard one
  • [22:01:09] <aholler> woglinde: yeah, I'm already going into the watcher-mode ;)
  • [22:02:19] <aholler> s/watcher/viewer/ or however a passive one is called correctly in english ;)
  • [22:02:33] <woglinde> observer
  • [22:03:38] <jay6981> JAFO
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  • [22:07:53] <cezane> ok... I was guessing better c++ because I see more references/support... maybe it is easier for me... I just know the basics of c++ and python
  • [22:09:25] <woglinde> o.O
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  • [22:13:48] <woglinde> haha
  • [22:13:50] <woglinde> https://github.com/thraxil/restclient/
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  • [22:22:44] <SilicaGel> grr
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  • [22:30:06] <woglinde> what the hell is this guy doing
  • [22:30:32] <jconnolly> programming for calculus. he is asymptotically joining this channel.
  • [22:30:38] <aturley_> zong
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  • [22:31:06] <taylor|series> getting
  • [22:31:07] <taylor|series> there
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  • [22:31:34] <jay6981> my irc client has a nice feature where I can turn off join/part messages
  • [22:32:00] <woglinde> jay thats like the three monkeys
  • [22:32:34] <jay6981> ignorance is strength :)
  • [22:32:38] <woglinde> hm I miss one feature in github, format-patch download
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  • [22:47:01] <cezane> hey, guys... thank you for tips!
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  • [22:47:46] <cezane> see you soon...
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  • [22:48:26] <mranostay> god someone ban that guy till he corrects his connection
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  • [22:48:47] <mranostay> CalcProgrammer1: hey fix your connection!
  • [22:48:48] <dm8tbr> mranostay: too bad, that we don't have OP here
  • [22:49:05] <jay6981> maybe an ircop can do something
  • [22:50:25] * djlewis sent him an email
  • [22:50:27] <dm8tbr> try #freenode but I suspect they CBA
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  • [22:53:45] <jay6981> i've asked him to rectify the situation
  • [22:54:08] <Corey> Kick me if he cycles again, plz.
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  • [23:19:50] <mranostay> ok this wifi is so slow
  • [23:20:01] <aholler> jay6981: ask him to give jkridner op
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  • [23:20:59] <jkridner> jay6981, aholler: thanks.
  • [23:22:56] <jay6981> he says you need to file some paperwork or something
  • [23:23:11] <jay6981> http://freenode.net/grf-f.php
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  • [23:41:21] <jay6981> jkridner: if you do file, he can probably speed things up a bit to get you ops
  • [23:41:46] <jkridner> a file?
  • [23:41:55] <jkridner> I've submitted some forms a couple of times.
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  • [23:42:47] <jay6981> jkridner: was it this one? http://freenode.net/grf-f.php
  • [23:43:44] <jkridner> yeah
  • [23:45:04] <Corey> jkridner: Sure it wasn't the old GRF?
  • [23:45:08] <Corey> The one with the giant backlog? :-)
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  • [23:46:07] <jkridner> I'm not sure which one. Guess I can do it again. :(
  • [23:46:12] <jkridner> I've done it multiple times.
  • [23:46:17] <jkridner> it looks the same as what I remember.
  • [23:46:20] <jay6981> jkridner, meat Corey, the ircop :)
  • [23:46:35] <jay6981> meet even
  • [23:49:55] <Corey> jkridner: Yeah, but if you get it done and ping me with the ticket number, I can approve it for you within minutes and you never have to do it again.
  • [23:50:13] <jkridner> I just submitted it.
  • [23:50:29] <Corey> So you did, stand by.
  • [23:51:03] <Corey> Oh, THERE'S the old one.
  • [23:51:07] <Corey> YOu never replied to the ticket update. :-)
  • [23:51:18] <Corey> jkridner: Would you rather I use the new one or the old one?
  • [23:59:05] <jkridner> new one is good....
  • [23:59:11] <jkridner> I don't remember seeing an update ticket.
  • [23:59:28] <jkridner> I get a lot of e-mail an kinda expect people to ping me here if it is critical.
  • [23:59:50] <Corey> Not critical from our perspective. :-p