• [00:00:06] <Russ> in fact, it was a requirement for the syntax to be as similar as possible to ada
  • [00:00:15] <Russ> to save money see
  • [00:00:35] <Russ> because then you don't have to reinvent all these concepts that have been thought out and tested in ada
  • [00:01:38] <ds2> heheh
  • [00:01:55] <Russ> its funny because I see the argument used on so many DoD projects
  • [00:03:04] <Russ> its sad because the reuse concepts never have any basis in engineering, so actual engineering always starts from scratch anyway
  • [00:04:39] <ds2> but then you see the same argument with C++ or Java ;)
  • [00:05:16] <Russ> ok, so ltspice doesn't have all the same features of ngspice, and pspice isn't free
  • [00:06:17] <ds2> you seem to be looking at it on a chip level?
  • [00:07:15] <Russ> well, simulating buffers and transmission lines. d2a and a2d stuff is important for stimulation and measurement
  • [00:07:29] <Russ> eg, a chip that clocks out data in response to an input clock signal
  • [00:08:19] <ds2> different goals. I just want to do a quick check of analog circuits on a board level
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  • [00:09:38] <Russ> ltspice is probably a pretty good way to go then
  • [00:10:13] <ds2> always looking for something better
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  • [00:15:47] <ka6sox> Russ, both Verilog and VHDL work well...and code reuse @ the level of either is a Myth.
  • [00:16:11] <ka6sox> unless its a matlab algo that has been run thru the creator.
  • [00:16:36] <Russ> I just don't understand why anyone would choose VHDL if they were starting on a blank slate
  • [00:17:01] <Russ> I know it works, and there isn't anything you can't do with it
  • [00:17:07] <Russ> just so much extra typing and formalism
  • [00:19:58] <Crofton|work> verilog is a west coast langauge, vhdl east coast
  • [00:20:05] <Crofton|work> that is how it was explained to me
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  • [00:24:24] <Russ> end process some_process_name;
  • [00:24:29] <Russ> gah, shoot me now
  • [00:26:28] <Russ> hooray asu
  • [00:26:31] <Russ> "The ASURITE system may have been compromised."
  • [00:27:11] <Russ> "see emergencyinfo.asu.edu for updates"...."Site off-line | Drupal"
  • [00:28:56] <ds2> hahah
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  • [01:04:54] <djlewis> later . . .
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  • [01:40:32] <mranostay> Russ: someone's head is going to roll :)
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  • [01:42:19] <mranostay> panto: hey california dude
  • [01:42:29] <panto> hi mranostay
  • [01:42:47] <panto> you'll be one of those pretty soon
  • [01:42:54] <panto> maybe you should take up surfing too
  • [01:43:08] <panto> learn to use expressions like 'tubular'
  • [01:43:12] <panto> you know, blend in
  • [01:43:23] <mranostay> oh god
  • [01:45:11] <panto> don't fight it
  • [01:45:13] <panto> you know you want to
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  • [01:52:48] <mdp> mranostay, I have to thank you for helping to depopulate this area???the lack of people is what makes it nice here :)
  • [01:53:01] <mranostay> cute
  • [01:54:17] <mdp> mranostay, I keep thinking of that cleveland tourism video on youtube :)
  • [01:55:22] <mdp> panto, you working thurs and fri while in SD?
  • [01:55:32] <mdp> er, CA
  • [01:55:53] <mranostay> cleveland has tourism?
  • [01:55:56] <panto> mdp, I will work a little bit yes
  • [01:56:06] <mdp> mranostay, you'll remember it when you see it
  • [01:56:15] <mdp> panto, bah
  • [01:56:27] <mranostay> mdp: btw people ask me if i've been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
  • [01:56:35] <mranostay> 24 years in Ohio never went once :)
  • [01:56:37] <mdp> panto, I'll call my buddy and have him take you out on the sub :)
  • [01:56:42] <panto> hehe
  • [01:56:47] <panto> who's your buddy?
  • [01:57:05] <mdp> just a friend that's a sonar instructor at the base there
  • [01:57:36] <panto> I'd love to, but I'm just too beat up
  • [01:57:41] <mdp> :)
  • [01:57:49] <mranostay> panto: god you are old :)
  • [01:57:58] * panto 's internal clock is now somewhere in the middle of the atlantic
  • [01:58:05] <mdp> he could teach you the chinese contact signatures???then kill you
  • [01:58:56] <mdp> panto, wuss???how many times did I fly in to .fr, cab to that building and walk into an all day meeting???man up
  • [01:59:41] <panto> mdp, hehe, actually why not
  • [01:59:42] <mdp> you pretty much just to ride a scooter up from .gr :)
  • [01:59:46] <panto> give him a call
  • [02:00:05] <panto> we can hang out nearby
  • [02:00:14] <panto> in the naval base :)
  • [02:00:24] <mdp> nice
  • [02:00:45] <panto> hehe, a buddy of mine just did a sonar project too
  • [02:00:46] <mdp> he's near retirement now with them..off-base..the good life..getting ready to go into private industry
  • [02:01:20] <mdp> not bad for a guy that realized a little too late he had to actually go to some engr classes at the uni else you flunk out :)
  • [02:02:01] <mdp> panto, really? that's cool, interesting stuff
  • [02:02:20] <panto> they mostly did integration
  • [02:02:33] <mdp> ahh, well, it's just like OSS then :)
  • [02:02:36] <panto> and to be frank I don't think that their methodology/technology was that sound
  • [02:02:44] <mdp> "everything is done, you just integrate to have a product!"
  • [02:02:46] <mdp> lol
  • [02:02:48] <panto> but yeah, they got paid :)
  • [02:02:54] <mdp> yeah :)
  • [02:03:02] <panto> did you get the pun? :)
  • [02:03:16] <mdp> heh
  • [02:05:04] <mdp> mranostay, I'm sure you saw this before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
  • [02:05:35] <mranostay> heh
  • [02:06:26] <mdp> I like the subtle choice of using a typical gray overcast day to film :)
  • [02:06:41] <ds2> mdp: so he will be the focus of the new Hunt For Red October II film? ;)
  • [02:06:53] <mdp> ds2, right :) technical advisor :)
  • [02:08:43] <mdp> so back on topic...
  • [02:09:30] <mdp> I'm sitting here wishing there was a breakout board for a female FDC connector..could take this spi lcd off of a POS customer board and hook to the bone
  • [02:10:08] * mdp wants for the days of mega sized IDC connectors and big 'ol ribbon cables
  • [02:10:15] * mdp becomes misty-eyed
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  • [02:12:19] <mdp> *sigh*
  • [02:12:23] <ds2> FDC?
  • [02:12:24] <mdp> s/FDC/FPC :)
  • [02:12:34] <ds2> fpc's are easy
  • [02:12:37] <ds2> what pitch?
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  • [02:13:33] <mdp> very fine pitched..I don't have the mechanicals drawing to identify this one available
  • [02:13:43] <ds2> 0.000000001um?
  • [02:13:44] <ds2> :D
  • [02:13:58] <ds2> some folks call 0.050" fine pitched
  • [02:16:21] <mdp> hehe
  • [02:16:40] <mdp> probably "only" .4mm or so
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  • [02:16:57] <ds2> that isn't horrible...got a microscope?
  • [02:17:04] <ds2> 0.5mm is a common size
  • [02:18:30] <mdp> yeah, I do???I've considered just taking another socket and wiring that up???but, tbh, being a bit lazy and trying to work around these board limitations atm
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  • [02:44:16] <mranostay> panto: ah?
  • [02:46:22] <panto> wrong window typing
  • [02:46:33] <mranostay> irc skills are the first to go
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  • [02:54:10] <mdp> mranostay, do anything with the geiger tube yet or are you too excited about your short-timer status?
  • [02:54:38] <mranostay> well i need to have an address to ship stuff too :)
  • [02:54:49] <mranostay> and with my luck it would be backordered :)
  • [02:55:01] <mdp> ahh, yes
  • [02:55:14] <mranostay> also need to get a real soldering station
  • [02:55:41] <mranostay> my $20 Radio Hack pencil irons can only do so much
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  • [02:56:22] <mdp> I've been real happy with my hakko unit versus the weller ones..even though I always used high-end weller stations back when I did more of that
  • [02:57:24] <mranostay> anyone know if OpenOCD support for the bone is any further along?
  • [02:57:28] <mdp> yeah, it's problematic to do many things when you don't properly control the heat or a selection of tips
  • [02:58:26] <mranostay> yeah the one in the office is nice
  • [02:58:31] <mranostay> only $150 iirc
  • [02:58:37] <mranostay> don't remember the brand
  • [03:00:14] <mdp> $85 for the hakko 888
  • [03:00:42] <mranostay> i assume i can pick that up a Fry's anywhere? :)
  • [03:00:52] <mdp> yeah, but frys is more expensive
  • [03:01:04] <mranostay> ok i can window shop there :)
  • [03:01:40] <mdp> I happened by it at both the phx/tempe one and the palo alto frys and noticed it was 10-20% more than amazon
  • [03:02:06] <mdp> apparently when I travel I somehow stop in frys to relive the good 'ol days :)
  • [03:04:46] <mdp> mranostay, by the time you make your move the republic of ca will probably be directly collecting "use tax" anyway :P
  • [03:04:59] <mranostay> ah crap forgot about that :)
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  • [05:53:09] <_av500_> dd
  • [05:53:42] <jvcleave> over a network or can it run locally?
  • [05:54:49] <jvcleave> nm - can just use a card reader - duh
  • [05:55:31] <aholler_> tar
  • [06:01:15] <photex> hi folks, new beaglebone owner. I haven't used angstrom or any embedded linux for that matter. Is the documentation about service control on the beagle site or the angstrom site?
  • [06:01:36] <photex> my usual /sbin/service and /sbin/chkconfig combo are not available :)
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  • [06:03:49] <photex> I'm having a hard time finding information on some of the basics. Or perhaps I'm just going about it from the wrong point of view
  • [06:04:21] <jay6981> photex: angstrom uses something called systemd. i am otherwise unfamiliar.
  • [06:04:40] <photex> thanks jay6981 that will help
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  • [06:07:00] <photex> wow, systemd looks great actually! LEARNING GET :)
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  • [06:07:09] <jvcleave> phototex - I am trying the armhf Debian where it appears service is available http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#armhf_Demo_Image
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  • [06:18:09] <_av500_> armVHF ftw
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  • [06:18:39] <SirDerigo> hello people! just got a beagleboard and, i am trying to install debian to it
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  • [06:19:40] <SirDerigo> the installation script dies in running rcn-omap
  • [06:19:42] <SirDerigo> (freezes)
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  • [07:23:31] <jasonli> Hi, I have a problem with my beagleboard-xm. The board keeps having problem to boot up usb0 and eth0. May I know if there is any way to solve this issue or to test if the USB port is working properly? Thanks! :)
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  • [07:29:12] <jasonli> Hi, I have a problem with my beagleboard-xm. The board keeps having problem to boot up usb0 and eth0. May I know if there is any way to solve this issue or to test if the USB port is working properly? Thanks! :) if anyone of you know the answer, please kindly email to jason__job@hotmail.com. Thank you!
  • [07:30:51] <hitlin37> jasonli..the usb ports works fine on bb-xm
  • [07:31:09] <hitlin37> what problem are you facing on your end?
  • [07:32:23] <jasonli> all the USB devices that I connect to the board is not powered
  • [07:32:30] <jasonli> inclusive of my ethernet cable..
  • [07:33:12] <jasonli> The board is able to boot up as per normal
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  • [07:33:34] <jasonli> however, the USB port seems to have problem booting up my USB devices and ethernet
  • [07:33:46] <jasonli> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.5.0 (Jun 14 2011 - 22:04:07) Beagle xM Reading boot sector Loading u-boot.bin from mmc
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  • [07:34:16] <jasonli> sorry, tried to copy and paste the log here but it doesn't look as what it is supposed to be.
  • [07:35:54] <hitlin37> for logs,use pastebin
  • [07:37:13] <hitlin37> You can also use a powered USB hub
  • [07:37:20] <jasonli> http://pastebin.com/TMAmAZ0C
  • [07:38:14] <jasonli> Hope you can spend some time looking through the log. Thanks!
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  • [07:39:51] <av500> jasonli: 1) your logs are truncated
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  • [07:40:43] <av500> 2) there was a change in how the usb hub is powered, I guess your kernel might be from before that change
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  • [07:42:10] <jasonli> oic
  • [07:42:28] <jasonli> if thats the case, may i know where can I get a newer version of the kernel/
  • [07:43:12] <jasonli> to verify, my logs are not truncated as thats the exact thing that is shown on my terminal.. :)
  • [07:44:28] <hitlin37> older kernel works fine with a externally powered usb hub connected to bb-xm
  • [07:44:38] <av500> jasonli: yes, your terminal truncates the logs then
  • [07:44:45] <av500> hitlin37: nope
  • [07:45:03] <av500> hitlin37: some XM revision changed the hub power polarity or so
  • [07:45:10] <av500> or started to use it
  • [07:45:12] <jasonli> hmm, so based on your expertise, what would you suggest me to do? :)
  • [07:45:23] <av500> 2.6.32 seems old
  • [07:45:30] <hitlin37> hmmm
  • [07:46:42] <jasonli> so may I know what is the latest version?
  • [07:50:20] <jasonli> hello? :)
  • [07:50:46] <av500> something 3.x based I guess
  • [07:51:03] <hitlin37> is there a good doc for understanding musb?
  • [07:51:15] <av500> hitlin37: yes, but its secret
  • [07:51:36] <jasonli> thanks! I will go and look for newer kernel version. :)
  • [07:54:18] <tasslehoff> av500: I just want to point out that I am still at 2.6.39. to repair my reputation ;)
  • [07:54:59] <aholler_> so someone could kill your kernel over the network
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  • [07:57:03] <av500> tasslehoff: Linux (none) 2.6.29-omap1 #43 PREEMPT Mon May 9 11:51:21 CEST 2011 armv7l unknown
  • [08:00:54] <tasslehoff> av500: heh. you've probably never been called a kernel chaser then, unless you chased your way to 2.6.29 back in the days
  • [08:01:17] <av500> tasslehoff: given that I coined the term here, probably not :)
  • [08:04:10] <tasslehoff> av500: ah, so I'm maybe the only one with the title? now I almost feel a responsibility to chase on :)
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  • [08:08:28] <av500> tasslehoff: you are far from the only one
  • [08:08:33] <av500> *from being
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  • [08:11:55] <tasslehoff> av500: then I'll stay at .39 and struggle more with power management instead.
  • [08:12:18] <av500> a worthy struggle!
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  • [08:30:00] <snowrichard> hi
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  • [09:53:37] <hitlin37> http://planet.linaro.org/
  • [09:53:40] <hitlin37> ARMv7 compatibility, with a slight twist of replacing NEON extensions with iWMMX extensions
  • [09:53:50] <hitlin37> this looks first of its kind
  • [09:54:48] <av500> marvell has been touting wmmx for years
  • [09:55:21] <av500> and other boards are unbrickable too
  • [09:57:36] <hitlin37> hmm.....ARMv7 with wmmx.....this already exists?
  • [09:58:08] <snowrichard> put in about a 1 hr call to my isp for problems connecting to www.angstrom-distribution.org
  • [09:59:00] <snowrichard> i keep getting connection reset while page is loading when i try to hit it with the browser
  • [09:59:13] <av500> yes, the page is slow
  • [09:59:20] <av500> its hosted on some warez site I have been told
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  • [10:00:01] <snowrichard> wonder if they could put up a mirror on amazon or something
  • [10:00:27] <snowrichard> i would like to use the distro but if i can never update package list its useless
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  • [10:00:44] <av500> yes, there is a mirror, but that has other issues
  • [10:00:51] <av500> like broken symlinks
  • [10:02:17] <snowrichard> well if my isp can fix my modem at least i could get my email without connection reset message lol
  • [10:03:37] <hitlin37> the page also says "Unbrickable for Developers (**)"..even if bootloader is completly wiped out.nice.
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  • [10:04:27] <av500> hitlin37: yes, and?
  • [10:05:55] <hitlin37> old for you,new for me.
  • [10:07:51] <av500> I mean, other SoC had that for years
  • [10:10:16] <hitlin37> hmmm
  • [10:12:18] <hitlin37> i thought one can't run mmx intrinsics on arm.may be it's common.
  • [10:12:57] <hitlin37> actually ,i used mmx on x86 only.
  • [10:13:55] <snowrichard> get tired after an hour of listening to some person telling me reboot the router, connect pc directly to modem, boot windows just to run ping lol
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  • [10:15:32] <snowrichard> and after all that we'll get back to you in two days
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  • [10:26:07] * koen wonders why people keep repeating the myth that the main angstrom package repository lives on www.angstrom-distribution.org
  • [10:26:26] <koen> it lives on feeds.angstrom-distribution.org which has bandwidth to spare
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  • [10:27:54] <ant_work> koen: too many outdated links appear googling for 'angstrom linux'
  • [10:29:16] <av500> koen: so why dont you switch www.angstrom-distribution.org to that server too?
  • [10:29:33] <ant_work> "Current production Angstrom release is 2007.12"
  • [10:29:44] <av500> sounds about right
  • [10:47:58] <ka6sox> koen, is www on Emerald?
  • [10:48:58] <ka6sox> dig says not...
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  • [10:59:53] <koen> ka6sox: www -> ltg, feeds -> emearald
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  • [11:04:03] <ka6sox> koen, thats good...we will be moving feeds to milla as we go forward, it has better thruput.
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  • [12:50:49] <bonebone> hi
  • [12:53:10] <mru> lo
  • [12:55:19] <bonebone> mmm...i compile the kernel with bitbake -c compile -f virtual/kernel and the vmlinux is created, how do i make the zImage from bitbake?
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  • [13:04:12] <bonebone> another doubt i have with beagle, when i have the new kernel in uImage, if i overwrite it the sd card, will the u-boot find it, or do i have to hack anything in uboot
  • [13:04:20] <bonebone> beaglebone
  • [13:06:29] <koen> doubt or question?
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  • [13:24:25] <bonebone> koen: question if anyone answers, jeje
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  • [13:29:06] <bonebone> koen: questions i have a lot, this is one for you, i modified board-am335xevm.c, removed the initiation of dvi and added the initiation of lcd, but looking at the kernel source of ti i saw that they have defined a clock that is not in angstrom, the line is this
  • [13:29:10] <bonebone> clock33xx_data.c: CLK("da8xx_lcdc.0", "lcdc_ick", &lcdc_ick, CK_AM33XX),
  • [13:30:50] <bonebone> i thought the kernel were the same
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  • [15:13:14] <thurbad> in uboot
  • [15:13:28] <thurbad> the kernel bootargs need to be set
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  • [16:18:23] <ggty> hii .. if i want to build a new kernel 3.0 for omap beagle board then do i have to create a new file system for this kernel?
  • [16:20:38] <av500> no
  • [16:21:25] <mru> if you need to ask that question, perhaps you shouldn't be building kernels
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  • [16:21:37] <mru> oh, and 3.0 isn't exactly new
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  • [16:23:44] <snowrichard> still got connectivity problems to angstrom-distribution sites. If i do traceroute and get only my router and 29 lines of **** what does that mean if anything
  • [16:24:23] <mru> it means you're not getting any replies from beyond your router
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  • [16:25:28] <av500> maybe the router is still doing SOPA blackouts....
  • [16:25:34] <koen> snowrichard: I don't understand why you are trying to download packages from www.angstrom
  • [16:25:36] <av500> might have missed a leap second
  • [16:25:38] <snowrichard> in the firefox browser if i go to the www.angstrom-distribution.org/index.html i get either connection to server reset while page was loading, or get transferring data for a long time and no content
  • [16:25:44] <koen> snowrichard: the main repo is at feeds.angstrom
  • [16:25:55] <av500> snowrichard: fix your router
  • [16:26:08] <snowrichard> yeah the feeds.angstrom one gives the traceroute like that
  • [16:26:22] <mru> works from here
  • [16:26:48] <snowrichard> i spent several hours on phone with my isp, they say they can get back to me in two days
  • [16:27:20] <snowrichard> that the modem must be misconfigured
  • [16:27:27] <ggty> actually i have build a kernel 3.0.17 for OMAP, previously it has 2.6 now the problem is that as soon as it mount file system it gives mtd oops
  • [16:27:37] <av500> koen: you never answer my question, why dont you move angstrom.org onto some other server?
  • [16:28:06] <snowrichard> i got a hosting account at site5 that i could empty out and donate
  • [16:28:15] <snowrichard> seriously
  • [16:28:35] <av500> and wtf is linuxtogo.org?
  • [16:29:08] <snowrichard> i don't have a site on it now just a rails code demo
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  • [16:29:39] <av500> omg http://projects.linuxtogo.org/top/mostactive.php?type=week
  • [16:30:03] <av500> what is that, archive.org clone?
  • [16:32:14] <snowrichard> i'm doing an opkg install vim right now, the opkg update completed ok apparently, but the vim doesn't seem to be downloading
  • [16:32:20] <mru> snowrichard: you seem to have some packet loss somewhere
  • [16:32:47] <snowrichard> Installing vim (7.2.446-r10.3) to root...
  • [16:32:47] <snowrichard> Downloading http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/base/vim_7.2.446-r10.3_armv7a.ipk.
  • [16:33:20] <snowrichard> but its out of my control i have to wait for hughes net engineering to call me back in two days
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  • [16:33:38] <snowrichard> i got pings to the satellite and back ok
  • [16:35:26] <snowrichard> not meaning to sound angry and complain so much but i'm paying 100 bucks a month for this internet connection and it should work lol
  • [16:36:15] <av500> snowrichard: you can complain here all you want
  • [16:36:28] <jsabeaudry> Anyone aware of a generic i2c sysfs driver that would simply allow to write/read values from specific addresses?
  • [16:36:40] <av500> aint there one?
  • [16:37:08] <av500> koen: what is "tiblt"?
  • [16:37:31] <snowrichard> i switched to the satellite because my fixed wireless provider i had gozoe.com could not keep their system up at this location
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  • [16:37:54] <jsabeaudry> snowrichard, where are you located?
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  • [16:38:02] <av500> in the outback
  • [16:38:04] <snowrichard> they said trees in line of site, metal roof , stuff like that
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  • [16:38:22] <snowrichard> marshall tx, outside of range of cable or dsl
  • [16:38:49] <snowrichard> the cable line crosses our driveway but they wont run it the 500 ft or so to the trailer
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  • [16:39:06] <koen> av500: you dont want to know about tiblt
  • [16:39:27] <av500> http://graphics.github.com/bltsville/
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  • [16:39:38] <av500> koen: tell me please
  • [16:39:49] <snowrichard> so close and yet so far
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  • [16:39:57] <snowrichard> the last 1000 ft problem lol
  • [16:40:02] <av500> snowrichard: marshall tx, lol
  • [16:40:12] <av500> snowrichard: you are a lawyer?
  • [16:40:32] <snowrichard> no i'm a schizophrenic disabled Navy veteran
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  • [16:40:55] <av500> why dont you ask for internet at the driveway and bridge the 500feet yourself?
  • [16:41:13] <koen> av500: iirc tiblt is blitrix in C
  • [16:41:40] <snowrichard> well i'd have to put some kind of structure there to house it, and get power to it, then probably an ayrstone wifi repeater
  • [16:41:51] <av500> run a cable
  • [16:41:55] <av500> no need for wifi
  • [16:42:10] <snowrichard> cat 5 do the 500+ ft ok
  • [16:42:11] <snowrichard> ?
  • [16:42:40] <av500> koen: http://www.symbio.com/knowledge-center/technology-demos/blitrix-arm-neon-optimized-2d-blitting-engine/
  • [16:43:09] <snowrichard> if i spent that kind of money we got two other buildings that need a decent connection too so we'd run cat5 or wifi to them too
  • [16:43:25] <av500> see, shared cost
  • [16:43:47] <av500> and as for your structure, get some used switching box
  • [16:43:52] <snowrichard> would eliminate two 85.00 gozoe.com bills and put it all on my bill
  • [16:44:02] <av500> yep
  • [16:44:10] <snowrichard> they would share the monthly though
  • [16:44:18] <jay6981> satellite internet sounds like torture
  • [16:45:18] <snowrichard> so was the gozoe.com lol
  • [16:45:21] <woglinde_> jay6981 imagine there are landscape with no umts / cdma at all
  • [16:45:55] <jay6981> yeah??? having to route all your packets to geosync orbit and back really sucks
  • [16:46:15] <woglinde_> but works
  • [16:46:20] <woglinde_> and fast enough
  • [16:46:23] <woglinde_> slotted aloha
  • [16:46:24] <snowrichard> i can connect fairly decently using my android phone's 3G, but there's a 4G /month cap
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  • [16:46:38] <jay6981> if you can tolerate 500ms+ latency
  • [16:46:55] <woglinde_> you dont want to play cs in the jungle
  • [16:47:09] <woglinde_> only live
  • [16:47:10] <woglinde_> haha
  • [16:47:19] <snowrichard> I once got a quote on a 3G setup for a lan with out a cap, it was only 149 a month
  • [16:47:20] <jay6981> or make a voice call without having to say over at the end of each transmission
  • [16:47:56] <av500> roger that
  • [16:48:01] <woglinde_> hm never used a sattelite phone
  • [16:48:15] <av500> woglinde_: never called the US in the 80s?
  • [16:48:22] <av500> ah yes, you were too young :)
  • [16:48:25] <woglinde_> av500 I was on the other side
  • [16:48:29] <snowrichard> voip applications like paltalk.exe have annoying pauses in the audio, for video forget it
  • [16:48:29] <jay6981> the dedicated sat phones (iridium) use a satellite constellation that's in low earth orbit, so the latency isn't as bad
  • [16:49:02] <woglinde_> hm I wonder how long gps now will live
  • [16:49:13] <snowrichard> sat com on the aircraft carrier i was on they called the bubble phone cause the sound was so bad
  • [16:49:23] <woglinde_> it is past his estimated life
  • [16:49:24] <snowrichard> don't know if that was because of the encryption or not
  • [16:49:47] <av500> woglinde_: you mean it can black out?
  • [16:50:18] <jay6981> there's a big fight right now with GPS because of a satellite broadband company called Lightsquared
  • [16:50:37] <av500> I trust the US army will win that fight
  • [16:50:43] <jay6981> i think so too
  • [16:51:13] <av500> we dont want all the drones to hit something by accident...
  • [16:51:14] <jay6981> too bad they already launched that satellite
  • [16:51:21] <snowrichard> i hope the army's stuff works, my nephew is going to Afghanistan in about two months, one month stateside training first
  • [16:51:41] <snowrichard> and my brother runs some of the drones in Sicily, he's with Raytheon
  • [16:51:49] <woglinde_> av500 It will blackout
  • [16:51:54] <woglinde_> in next 5 years or so
  • [16:52:28] <av500> woglinde_: that will teach SOPA
  • [16:52:36] <woglinde_> snowrichard why he does it? money?
  • [16:52:36] <av500> 5ys? we need it NOW
  • [16:52:48] <snowrichard> my nephew?
  • [16:52:49] <woglinde_> or does he still believe there is somthing to win there
  • [16:52:54] <woglinde_> snowrichard yes
  • [16:53:00] <av500> I guess Raytheon pays nicely
  • [16:53:08] <av500> and Sicily is a blamy place
  • [16:53:12] <av500> balmy :)
  • [16:53:20] <snowrichard> he can make $50K a year on deployment, here he can get about 10.00 an hour parttime
  • [16:53:41] <woglinde_> there he can hm lose is life at higher chance
  • [16:54:13] <snowrichard> yeah but he's decided its worth the risk, i guess he has some patriotism too
  • [16:55:01] <snowrichard> i had a head injury in the navy that could have kiled me and we were not even in combat zone at the time, we were off the coast of virginial
  • [16:55:05] <snowrichard> virginia
  • [16:55:46] <snowrichard> they were doing propulsion tests, flank reverse, hard right rudder, slammed my head into a metal locker
  • [16:56:09] <av500> ouch
  • [16:56:14] <snowrichard> that's what caused the schizophrenia
  • [16:56:18] <snowrichard> 6 months in mental ward
  • [16:56:28] <jay6981> have they washed their hands of you yet?
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  • [16:56:55] <snowrichard> well yeah they got rid of i get 100 percent VA disability payments now
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  • [16:57:24] <snowrichard> 2700 a month or so
  • [16:57:49] <snowrichard> free medical
  • [16:59:23] <snowrichard> the carrier could do over 35 knots even in reverse so it was moving when they did that little maneuver
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  • [16:59:34] <av500> snowrichard: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luckable-Key-ENCLOSURE-W-B-PLATE-500x400x200-20X16X8-/130507527893?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools&hash=item1e62dad6d5
  • [16:59:51] <av500> zip tie it to a lamp post :)
  • [17:00:01] <snowrichard> that's the little house for the router?
  • [17:00:11] <av500> and put a biohazard sticker on it ....
  • [17:00:17] <av500> snowrichard: might get too hot in summer
  • [17:00:35] <av500> http://www.ebay.com/sch/Boxes-Enclosures-/42886/i.html
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  • [17:02:49] <av500> koen: rtillery is a cool nick :)
  • [17:02:52] <jsabeaudry> Why not just run a coax and put the modem/router in the trailer?
  • [17:03:08] <av500> jsabeaudry: I guess the cable co does not like that
  • [17:03:14] <snowrichard> cable company says it wont' work
  • [17:03:19] <snowrichard> distance or something
  • [17:03:42] <woglinde> hm poor kodak
  • [17:04:06] <jsabeaudry> I don't know about 500 ft but I've had coax run in my house at least 100 ft
  • [17:04:27] <jay6981> yeah, sad how they just watched their industry run away from them and did nothing
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  • [17:04:43] <jay6981> their executives clearly deserved the bonuses they got
  • [17:04:45] <snowrichard> there's a local company that says they can deliver fiber to the door but they are only targeting businesses, asked about residential and they said no
  • [17:05:00] <jay6981> just tell them you're a business. you get better service anyways
  • [17:05:36] <snowrichard> i got a website but it doesn't make any money lol
  • [17:05:55] <jay6981> don't think it matters??? most businesses lose money
  • [17:05:56] <snowrichard> can't even host it here on the satellite hookup
  • [17:06:43] <snowrichard> then they said if the phone company dsl doesn't reach here they couldn't either
  • [17:07:16] <snowrichard> i think they only way i could get a straight answer is to go talk to one of the execs instead of their phone sales
  • [17:07:38] <av500> i'd ask cable co for that street side access
  • [17:07:41] <jay6981> the telcos/isps clearly aren't interested in serving rural customers
  • [17:08:11] <bonebone> i made a little change in the beaglebone kernel i made uImage and overwrite the kernel in the sd, now the board doesn't boot, but i didn't touch uboot, i don't understand why the ftddi usb doesn't show in the computer now
  • [17:08:58] <snowrichard> i'm just barely out side the city limit, the mailbox/cable line is inside the limit, it crosses our driveway about 350 ft in
  • [17:09:23] <snowrichard> so if we need police we have to call county, not city
  • [17:09:35] <mranostay> snowrichard: in your little enclave? :)
  • [17:09:57] <snowrichard> we have a few acres here
  • [17:10:12] <mranostay> mdp: you enjoy township life right? mainly since no city income tax :)
  • [17:10:15] <snowrichard> two homes, and a homeless shelter
  • [17:10:28] <snowrichard> texas has no income tax
  • [17:10:43] <snowrichard> just sales taxes
  • [17:10:52] <snowrichard> and property taxes
  • [17:11:01] <av500> snowrichard: so not being city, I guess you are not asked to sit as juror on patent cases? :)
  • [17:11:08] <mranostay> heh
  • [17:11:18] <woglinde> av500 haha
  • [17:11:26] <mranostay> all those empty offices :)
  • [17:11:35] <mranostay> so you can apply TX law :)
  • [17:11:52] <snowrichard> well i could be called to jury duty but i can get out of it by claiming mental illness, they want you to be of "sound mind' lol
  • [17:11:54] <mdp> mranostay, yes, insignificant next to my property tax though
  • [17:12:07] <jsabeaudry> bonebone, you get nothing on the serial console when you boot?
  • [17:12:43] * mranostay looks up mdp's property tax :)
  • [17:12:45] <snowrichard> and the mental illness is well documented by the fed. gov.
  • [17:13:11] <mdp> mranostay, it's "positive big" in math terms :)
  • [17:13:12] <snowrichard> so i don't think they'd want me on federal court either lol\
  • [17:13:54] <snowrichard> the federal district court here does a lot of big cases they call it the rocket docket
  • [17:14:24] <mranostay> mdp: heh that is a nice amount of taxes :)
  • [17:14:34] <mdp> snowrichard, we're fortunate here to have cable service outside of the city areas???not sure why time warner services these areas that are so spread out, but no complaints
  • [17:14:42] <mranostay> i paid that in rent in ohio :)
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  • [17:14:53] <av500> snowrichard: yes, thats why I asked
  • [17:14:59] <mdp> mranostay, google map stalk me too!!!
  • [17:15:01] <snowrichard> i must say rent is inexpensive here
  • [17:15:12] <snowrichard> i'm paying what is considered fair and its 450 a month
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  • [17:15:42] <mranostay> snowrichard: i remember those days :)
  • [17:15:51] <snowrichard> if you want to see the trailer and how far it is from the road google earth 2608 elysian fields ave marshal tx
  • [17:16:01] <snowrichard> marshall
  • [17:16:05] <mranostay> sure why not
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  • [17:16:32] <jay6981> i didn't know they had trees in texas
  • [17:16:40] <jay6981> TIL
  • [17:16:47] <snowrichard> we are in the middle of the piney woods
  • [17:16:48] <woglinde> lol
  • [17:17:00] <snowrichard> west texas is the flat land with no vegetation
  • [17:17:15] <mranostay> jay6981: reddit that
  • [17:17:19] <jay6981> yeah, i've only been to el paso
  • [17:17:29] <mranostay> yeah that is a bit of a distance
  • [17:17:42] <jay6981> probably been to dallas airport a few times
  • [17:17:44] <snowrichard> west texas has an 85 mph speed limit on the interstate to lol
  • [17:17:47] <jay6981> they didn't seem to have many trees there
  • [17:18:34] <mdp> mranostay, the other building I put up kinda bumped up the taxes too
  • [17:19:05] <woglinde> hm the airport is rather big
  • [17:19:15] <mranostay> mdp: small price to pay for a compound i guess :)
  • [17:19:24] <mranostay> how much did the watchtower add? :P
  • [17:19:29] <mdp> lol
  • [17:19:43] <snowrichard> near the airport is Six Flags over texas, the parking lots are bigger than the actual park
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  • [17:20:28] <mdp> mranostay, only thing missing is a road warrior gate made from an old school bus
  • [17:20:35] <jay6981> at disneyland they turned the parking lot into an entire new park
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  • [17:22:23] <snowrichard> i wrote my first program in Fortran IV on an IBM 360 mainframe. the first computer i owned was a KIM-1 board, 1.1K ram, cassette tape i/o, tty interface
  • [17:22:36] <snowrichard> back mid 70's
  • [17:22:50] <jay6981> nice. we were talking about KIM-1's the other day
  • [17:23:23] <snowrichard> i sold an assembler program to wozniak and jobs
  • [17:23:52] <snowrichard> they decided not to used it for whatever reason, i asked woz about it via email recently his memory was not too clear on it
  • [17:23:54] <jay6981> i figured woz for the type who would write his own assembler
  • [17:24:18] <snowrichard> he said he wrote the apple II roms in hex, without an assembler
  • [17:24:37] <snowrichard> but they used someones assembler to generate the listing for the manual
  • [17:24:42] <jay6981> and debugged them on paper because he couldn't afford CPU time on the mainframe that ran the 6502 sim
  • [17:24:56] <snowrichard> probably so
  • [17:25:16] <snowrichard> some timesharing outfit had the 6502 development stuff but they charged by the minute
  • [17:26:49] <snowrichard> our company was called microsoftware specialists, inc you can still find a few documents online that had our address in commerce tx in it
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  • [17:27:12] <snowrichard> i was 17 yrs old when we did that assembler
  • [17:29:04] <mdp> I was a vic-20 baby???right at the beginning of the home computer wave
  • [17:29:17] <mdp> miss that 5K of ram and cassette tape now
  • [17:29:47] * av500 looks at the VIC20 in his office
  • [17:29:56] <snowrichard> i can say one thing for those old systems they were small enough one person could understand what was going on
  • [17:30:06] <snowrichard> the arm7a reference is 2500+ pages lol
  • [17:30:15] <jay6981> my parents bought a ti-994/a but I lusted after my friends' C64
  • [17:30:17] <mdp> av500, certain things I feel bad about giving up
  • [17:30:28] <av500> mdp: mine is from some trash dump
  • [17:30:36] <av500> I had c64s but threw them away :)
  • [17:30:41] <mdp> I want my Intellivision back too :)
  • [17:31:12] <jay6981> the TI99 floppy disk drive cost more than the computer
  • [17:31:18] <snowrichard> i have a great uncle named Jerry Merryman, he worked for TI for years, his name is on the patent for the first calculator they did.
  • [17:31:59] <mdp> it was kinda cool back then, because everybody was a programmer more or less
  • [17:32:19] <jay6981> they tried to teach us LOGO in public school
  • [17:32:20] <snowrichard> he built a prototype of the circuit on breadboard that took several large tables
  • [17:32:33] <mdp> friend had that timex sinclair unit with the membrane keyboards???others had the atari 400/800 units with same that could run 2600 games
  • [17:32:37] <mdp> good times :)
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  • [17:33:29] <snowrichard> he's got an altair 8080 in mint condition in his living room that he built
  • [17:33:47] <mdp> nice
  • [17:33:48] <snowrichard> bet he could get some bucks on Ebay for that if he ever decided to
  • [17:34:42] <snowrichard> he'll probably will it to some museum lol
  • [17:34:50] <jay6981> i had a friend in 1989 that bought a Dell 386/16 running AT&T system V
  • [17:34:54] <jay6981> he paid $10k for it
  • [17:35:15] <jay6981> half that price was the unix license, iirc
  • [17:35:27] <snowrichard> i built a 386 in 1990, cost me about $1200
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  • [17:36:28] <jay6981> that system was like the holy grail to my 12 year old self
  • [17:36:42] <snowrichard> hard drive never worked right, i had to run a batch file every night at midnite that backed it up to a second drive (20MB on both), and ran Spinrite to reformat the primary
  • [17:36:45] <jay6981> he had it networked with uucp
  • [17:36:54] <jay6981> back when email addresess had the host names first
  • [17:37:08] <mdp> hehe..in '91 I recall I didn't get a 386DX/33..instead got a 386SX/16 w/ 3MB RAM for huge cost savings
  • [17:37:26] <snowrichard> i ran a GTPOWER bbs on it with a 2400 baud modem
  • [17:37:30] <mdp> and it ran linux fine in early 92
  • [17:37:40] <av500> around 90 I spent like 3ys with my dad to decide on a 386
  • [17:37:48] <av500> finally settled on a 486
  • [17:39:15] <jay6981> i eventually managed to get a bootleg copy of Xenix/286 running on my system??? it was neat to be able to do floppy IO and download a file via BBS at the same time
  • [17:39:32] <snowrichard> i guess reminiscing about the old days and other random chatter ok if no one has pressing support questions huhj
  • [17:39:47] <jay6981> it's loosely related to the topic :)
  • [17:40:19] <mdp> the idea is to suppress any support questions
  • [17:40:20] <av500> snowrichard: dont worry
  • [17:40:24] <jay6981> haha
  • [17:40:29] <av500> and its almost friday anyway
  • [17:41:14] <snowrichard> i think i have all the prerequisites for open embedded builds downloaded except the bit back git clone
  • [17:41:37] <av500> "get your bits back with BitBack"
  • [17:41:45] <av500> or money back
  • [17:41:52] <snowrichard> bit bake i meant
  • [17:43:13] <snowrichard> i got a terabyte on here so keeping lots of source trees around is not a problem
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  • [17:44:53] <snowrichard> be back in a few
  • [17:45:20] <snowrichard> i'm hoping to recieve an lcd monitor fedex today that has dvi input
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  • [17:46:39] <snowrichard> tried with my hdmi tv (sony wega crt) and the video flashes
  • [17:46:57] <jay6981> you have a CRT with HDMI in?
  • [17:47:35] <snowrichard> yeah its old, bought it a sears a few years ago, it was about 600 bucks when the flat panels were at least 1200
  • [17:48:28] <snowrichard> it took 3 people to get it inside the house big and heavy
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  • [17:49:39] <snowrichard> may take a few more days to get the dvi cable bought them on amazone
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  • [17:51:31] <snowrichard> my nephew has a 52 inch that would make a killer monitor lol
  • [17:51:38] <thurbad> lol
  • [17:51:40] <snowrichard> but he aint about to give it up
  • [17:51:46] <av500> only if you have bad eyesight
  • [17:51:57] <av500> unless it has 4k resolution
  • [17:52:07] <jay6981> i had a 42" LCD on my desk for a few weeks. it wasn't really possible to use it as a desktop monitor
  • [17:52:10] <jay6981> too bright for one
  • [17:52:15] <thurbad> you'd haveto sit about 7 feet away fromit
  • [17:52:17] <av500> bright you can darken
  • [17:52:20] <av500> no?
  • [17:52:24] <snowrichard> it is a little fuzzy on his tv picture yeah
  • [17:52:27] <jay6981> i had it at the lowest setting and my eyes were still bleeding
  • [17:52:30] <av500> ah
  • [17:52:38] <av500> increase the room lights then
  • [17:53:07] <jay6981> it's one of those "commercial displays" for digital signage, etc
  • [17:53:36] <snowrichard> our grocery store down the road has a big sign like that
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  • [17:55:46] <snowrichard> i got the s-video hooked up just to see what it would do and it can't keep vertical sync
  • [17:56:04] <snowrichard> but that might be the omapfb setting
  • [17:56:45] <snowrichard> the color bars are ok
  • [17:57:03] <snowrichard> i guess, i'm color blind
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  • [17:58:06] <jay6981> snowrichard: maybe you just need to tweak the timings/modeline a bit
  • [17:58:44] <av500> there is no modeline for svideo
  • [17:58:50] <snowrichard> i'll have the dvi monitor and cables within a week
  • [17:58:50] <av500> PAL and NTSC are standards
  • [17:59:18] <snowrichard> i though i had it set to tv:ntsc but it could have been pal accidentally
  • [17:59:35] <snowrichard> i did get it set right once
  • [17:59:48] <snowrichard> but the overscan made it hard to see all the text
  • [18:01:16] <av500> yes, dont use all the pixels for PAL/NTSC
  • [18:01:22] <snowrichard> being out in the sticks here have to mailorder everything
  • [18:01:37] <snowrichard> no Fryes or anything
  • [18:01:57] <jay6981> we have fry's here and i still mail order everything
  • [18:02:38] <av500> we have mail order and I deep fry everything
  • [18:03:01] <snowrichard> when i go to geeks.com to look up an order tracking number they have my complete purchase history pop up its amazing how much i've spent with them
  • [18:03:04] <mdp> jay6981, hope you still stop in at fry's to see who the "person in charge" of the day is :)
  • [18:03:28] <av500> mdp: you?
  • [18:03:29] <woglinde> lol 18 to 24 euros license for windows phone
  • [18:03:35] <woglinde> so android is still cheaper
  • [18:03:37] <av500> woglinde: bs
  • [18:03:45] <jay6981> mdp: heh, it's been a while since I've been there
  • [18:03:51] <mdp> av500, I shun responsibility like that
  • [18:04:01] <jay6981> "person in charge" is a heck of a title though
  • [18:04:04] <av500> woglinde: you are naive :)
  • [18:04:13] <woglinde> av500 I know
  • [18:04:15] <mdp> jay6981, indeed
  • [18:04:16] <snowrichard> once i get a decent display i may try the android builds out too
  • [18:04:30] <av500> woglinde: sammy, htc and lg pay M$ nothing for android
  • [18:04:46] <av500> instead they make win7 phones that the pay nothing either for
  • [18:04:52] <woglinde> av500 dont care what contract they made
  • [18:04:58] <av500> and m4 then pay 100$ for every phone sold
  • [18:05:01] <av500> m$
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  • [18:06:08] <snowrichard> i was the poic in my workcenter on that aircraft carrier. there were only the two of us and the other guy outranked me so he was wcs
  • [18:07:14] <woglinde> wcs?
  • [18:07:26] <snowrichard> petty officer in charge and work center supervisor
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  • [18:07:55] * koen wtfs at git
  • [18:08:22] <koen> git init . ; git remote add foo foo.com ; git fetch foo ; git checkout foo/bar -b bar
  • [18:08:27] <snowrichard> but he was an idiot. one day he erased all the backup tapes by running them through a tape cleaner that did read-after-write verify to check for dropouts
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  • [18:08:40] <koen> git diff | wc -l 1651
  • [18:08:47] <woglinde> snowrichard nice
  • [18:09:06] <woglinde> snowrichard didn run all the navy ships with windows nt?
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  • [18:09:20] <snowrichard> windows? lol
  • [18:09:33] <jay6981> i remember that news story.
  • [18:09:36] <snowrichard> we had AN/UYK-7 from Univac
  • [18:09:46] <snowrichard> and AN/UYK-20
  • [18:09:47] <woglinde> jay6981 ;)
  • [18:09:52] <jay6981> some AEGIS cruiser was dead in water because of NT BSOD?
  • [18:09:52] <snowrichard> ran a system called CMS
  • [18:10:08] * koen stabs git
  • [18:10:11] <snowrichard> this was back in 1980
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  • [18:11:02] <jay6981> the CMS from VM/370?
  • [18:11:09] <snowrichard> no
  • [18:11:41] <snowrichard> navy stuff
  • [18:12:18] <snowrichard> i think i read somewhere on a mil site they have done some emulation of the an/uyk-7 on pc hardware to replace them
  • [18:13:47] <snowrichard> i can emulate vm/370 r6 nicely on this pc though, runs faster than the original
  • [18:13:49] <woglinde> snowrichard sounds logical
  • [18:14:01] <woglinde> hercules
  • [18:14:02] <snowrichard> herculews
  • [18:14:04] <snowrichard> hercules
  • [18:14:25] <snowrichard> and mvs 3.8j
  • [18:14:50] <jay6981> i did the mvs sysgen on herculues??? that was painful
  • [18:14:51] <snowrichard> but why i'd want to torture myself by going back to cobol or 370 asm not sure lol
  • [18:15:56] <snowrichard> i did write one cobol program on the mvs just to see if i remembered any. it read a card image file and did a bank balance
  • [18:16:47] <jay6981> snowrichard: found this: http://www.kh6bb.org/photos1.html
  • [18:17:09] <jay6981> look familiar?
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  • [18:20:39] <snowrichard> sorry had a little excitment here
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  • [18:21:26] <snowrichard> my dad had gotten out of his car to give me some mail and he didn't get it in park and it started backing up. my mom managed to get over from the other seat and get it stopped, but he ended up getting knocked down by the door
  • [18:22:51] <snowrichard> yeah an/uyk-20 and teletypes look familiar.
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  • [18:23:48] <jay6981> I like the red "secure" telephone
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  • [18:24:05] <jay6981> aka "Coke machine"
  • [18:24:05] <snowrichard> the radio gear i never saw
  • [18:24:15] <av500> jay6981: only you and the pizza man will know what toppings you had...
  • [18:24:16] <snowrichard> never went into radio room
  • [18:24:59] <snowrichard> we booted the 7 and 20 from mag tape though
  • [18:25:12] <jay6981> high tech :)
  • [18:25:26] <snowrichard> and only if the ibm disk drive had hiccupped
  • [18:25:43] <snowrichard> ibm rd-281 i think was the model
  • [18:25:48] <snowrichard> two platters
  • [18:25:54] <snowrichard> hydraulic actuators
  • [18:26:08] <snowrichard> sometimes oil would get on the disk surfaces and cause errors
  • [18:26:38] <jay6981> wow, hydraulic
  • [18:26:47] <snowrichard> they cleaned them with drinkable 100 proof alcohol
  • [18:26:57] <jay6981> haha
  • [18:27:44] <jay6981> i should probably go to work
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  • [18:53:14] <snowrichard> hmm seemed to have lost net momentarily while i was gone
  • [18:53:38] <av500> nuthin' much happened
  • [18:54:37] <snowrichard> the VA pays me mileage reimbursment for medical appointments. last year the amount for here to shreveport was $23.80, i was shocked to see this check $36.48
  • [18:54:51] <snowrichard> that more than pays for my gas
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  • [18:55:01] <av500> continental drift.....
  • [18:55:37] <snowrichard> i can fill my tank and get 300 miles for just under $50
  • [18:55:50] <snowrichard> rt shreveport takes at most 1/4 tank
  • [18:56:04] <woglinde> what do you drive?
  • [18:56:22] <snowrichard> its a kia sportage, has a six
  • [18:56:34] <woglinde> lol
  • [18:56:35] <woglinde> kia
  • [18:56:42] <av500> lol?
  • [18:57:03] <snowrichard> its a lot better car than the last one i had, a chevy cavalier
  • [18:57:26] <snowrichard> ended up replacing the engine in that one and it never did work right after
  • [18:59:05] <snowrichard> the fuel pump would die randomly they said it would be 700 to replace the fuel pump
  • [18:59:27] <woglinde> no lpg?
  • [18:59:39] <snowrichard> lpg?
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  • [19:00:08] <woglinde> gas fuel
  • [19:00:34] <snowrichard> you mean like butane? propane? not many cars run on that here
  • [19:00:52] <snowrichard> some bus do
  • [19:01:50] <snowrichard> i would like to see one set up for natural gas, we are producing a lot of that now in texas out of the haynesville shale formation
  • [19:07:27] <snowrichard> wow vim finally finished installing
  • [19:07:40] <snowrichard> only 3 hrs or so lol
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  • [19:08:15] <snowrichard> i wonder if i can ssh to the board now
  • [19:08:15] <av500> snowrichard: lpg is liquid gas
  • [19:08:36] <snowrichard> yeah was not that familiar with it,
  • [19:08:54] <mru> uh, matter can be liquid *or* gas (or solid)
  • [19:09:26] <woglinde> or plasma
  • [19:09:31] <av500> or gone
  • [19:10:44] <snowrichard> cool i ran /etc/init.d/dropbear init and now i can ssh in
  • [19:11:11] <snowrichard> dropbear start
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  • [19:13:10] <snowrichard> i'm on a minimal angstrom image, i guess i'd like to find out what config changes to make to start the network and dropbear automatically now
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  • [19:20:48] <mranostay> JDmgc: yes i'm here
  • [19:20:57] <JDmgc> mranostay: LOL
  • [19:23:21] <thurbad> snowrichard: you need to put dropbear into your the runlevel you're using
  • [19:24:28] <thurbad> and tell your network connection to be auto in /etc/network/interfaces if it isn't already
  • [19:25:12] <xxiao> the low-power wifi from TI is too expensive, the module is sold at $29 for 1k unit
  • [19:25:27] <av500> which one?
  • [19:25:32] <xxiao> cc3000
  • [19:25:37] <xxiao> the new kid
  • [19:25:47] <av500> well, buy more
  • [19:25:53] <xxiao> microchip's similar one is sold at $12 at 5k
  • [19:26:17] <xxiao> i hope TI will release some reference degin for that wifi module, just as it did to zigbee modules
  • [19:26:38] <snowrichard> ok how to do that. The two commands on serial console /etc/init.d/networking start ; /etc/init.d/dropbear start work
  • [19:26:41] <xxiao> without reference from chip vendor there is no way you can get wireless right
  • [19:26:50] <thurbad> buy the competitor's chip then?
  • [19:27:00] <xxiao> thurbad: it's still too expensive
  • [19:27:17] <xxiao> a not-so-expensive usb-wifi is like <$3 in low volume
  • [19:27:28] <xxiao> not-so-low-power i mean
  • [19:27:47] <thurbad> for g or n?
  • [19:27:50] <xxiao> if the price is competitive, why bother with all those zigbee/z-wave shit
  • [19:27:55] <xxiao> thurbad: b/g
  • [19:28:05] <xxiao> extreme low-power rarely does n
  • [19:28:45] * xxiao can't wait to dump zigbee
  • [19:29:12] <snowrichard> i'm using a 50 ft cat 5 to my router and a usb/ethernet, works fine
  • [19:29:26] <mdp> xxiao, TI one is more better???buy it
  • [19:29:57] <av500> mdp: the betterest?
  • [19:30:17] <xxiao> mdp: my issue is that i don't want the msp430 kit bundled with it
  • [19:30:18] <snowrichard> i'll look at /etc/network/interfaces
  • [19:30:21] <mdp> better butter
  • [19:30:33] <xxiao> mdp: a stellaris board will make me feel better though
  • [19:31:03] <thurbad> snowrichard, first off what runlevel are you at?
  • [19:31:04] <mdp> xxiao, PR on it says it's revolutionary so I don't understand how anything else can be similar :)
  • [19:32:03] <ds2> @!$!@$#!@#!@ namings
  • [19:32:18] <xxiao> mdp: well, PR is shit
  • [19:32:34] <ds2> did TI change the memory controller from the 3530 to the other 35xx chips? EMIF vs SDRC or is that another terminology change?
  • [19:32:53] <xxiao> i listed a few known low-power-mcu-wifi here: http://fosiao.com/node/25
  • [19:33:10] <xxiao> all are _too_ expensive
  • [19:33:26] <snowrichard> how to set a runlevel?
  • [19:33:28] <snowrichard> i didn't
  • [19:33:42] <snowrichard> its booting into the serial console login
  • [19:34:04] <snowrichard> there are files for rc0.d thru rc5.d in /etc
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  • [19:36:48] <mru> ds2: EMIF is a different beast entirely
  • [19:37:02] <SilicaGel> Does NEON include its OWN floating point processor, or is what I'm reading about here trying to tell me that the VFP is actually PART of NEON?
  • [19:37:10] <snowrichard> there's an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 says auto and dhcp which does work if it gets started
  • [19:37:25] <mru> SilicaGel: that's not an easy question to answer
  • [19:37:44] <SilicaGel> hm
  • [19:37:46] <SilicaGel> like for instance
  • [19:37:47] <mru> the simple answer is that neon and vfp share some things
  • [19:37:56] <SilicaGel> there's an instruction VMUL that's listed in the "Advanced SIMD Floating-point instructions"
  • [19:38:10] <SilicaGel> mru: oh!
  • [19:38:15] <ds2> mru: that's what I suspected. and the 35x's designation is jsut misleading
  • [19:38:29] <mru> ds2: misleading?
  • [19:38:30] <snowrichard> i downloaded that armv7a reference its over 2500 pages i don't think i'll be reading all of it anytime soon
  • [19:39:00] <mdp> xxiao, :)
  • [19:39:06] <av500> snowrichard: you dont have to, mru did and can recite from it :)
  • [19:39:08] <SilicaGel> mru what confused me is that in the ... whatever document I'm in ... Technical Reference Manual ... there's 2 separate sections for "NEON" and "Cortex-A9 Floating Point Unit"
  • [19:39:20] <ds2> mru: omap3530 has no EMIF AFAIK, but the am3517/am3503 has it. all have used '35x' as the family name at one point
  • [19:39:24] <SilicaGel> but both of them describe "VFP"
  • [19:39:31] <mru> SilicaGel: the a9 comes in two versions, one with full neon and one with only vfp
  • [19:39:58] <SilicaGel> hm are the two versiosn called v7 core and v7a core ?
  • [19:39:59] <mru> SilicaGel: if you have neon, you also have vfp
  • [19:40:11] <SilicaGel> ..or is that something different
  • [19:40:12] <mru> no, they are both v7-a
  • [19:40:54] <mru> at the architectural level, you have a bunch of registers and a bunch of instructions that operate on those registers
  • [19:41:05] <mru> the registers are shared between vfp and neon
  • [19:41:14] <snowrichard> i might eventually read enough of the user space instructions to code somthing like a small forth...
  • [19:41:41] <mru> vfp instructions do single or double precision floating-point operations on scalars
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  • [19:41:55] <mru> neon instructions do integer or single-precision float operations on vectors
  • [19:42:13] <jay6981> the V in VFP seems something of a misnomer
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  • [19:42:38] <mru> in actual hardware, the float operations are largely performed by the same execution units
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  • [19:43:37] <mru> so the neon-enabled a9 has two single-precision floating-point arithmetic units
  • [19:43:54] <mru> a neon instruction operating on a vector of two floats uses both of these
  • [19:43:57] <thurbad> snowrichard: you can find your runlevel in /etc/inittab
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  • [19:44:05] <snowrichard> amd_64 docs were a little overwhelming too though, 5 or 6 volumes
  • [19:44:06] <mru> a vfp instruction operating on a single float value uses only one of them
  • [19:44:10] <snowrichard> ok
  • [19:44:26] <snowrichard> so is the normal one 3
  • [19:44:35] <snowrichard> and 0 for shutdown reboot
  • [19:45:40] <av500> xxiao: so the CC3000 has no MCU of its own to be used?
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  • [19:45:44] <av500> how lame is that?
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  • [19:45:59] <snowrichard> ok the /etc/inittab appears not to exist at the moment
  • [19:46:39] <snowrichard> googling
  • [19:46:50] <mru> your system is probably infested with systemd
  • [19:47:03] <av500> latest angstrom, yes
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  • [19:47:46] <xxiao> av500: yes
  • [19:48:16] <xxiao> it should have some ASIC inside to run wifi MAC , or a small cpu
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  • [19:48:34] <xxiao> externally it's a spi device acting like a wireless modem
  • [19:48:35] <av500> xxiao: well, it had a cpu inside for sure
  • [19:48:45] <av500> i assumed I could use that
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  • [19:49:33] <xxiao> gainspan, which provides a similar product, uses 2 ARM7 inside, one for wifi, one for general purpose
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  • [19:50:09] <Guest27665> having error in booting ubuntu on bb xmc
  • [19:50:11] <xxiao> zerog which was acquired by microchip, use a proprietary core for low-power wifi
  • [19:50:34] <Guest27665> got syuck up in initramfs
  • [19:50:40] <Guest27665> stuck
  • [19:50:41] <xxiao> maybe there is a little msp430 or M3 inside cc3000, who knows
  • [19:51:44] <jay6981> the marvell wifi chip i played with had an ARM core in there to do encryption
  • [19:52:11] <xxiao> those should be done by hardware instead of sw?
  • [19:53:36] <jay6981> the AES block cypher? dunno enough about it
  • [19:58:53] <snowrichard> it was the systemd image yes
  • [19:59:15] <snowrichard> the demo image never gave me a serial console or let me log in ssh
  • [19:59:28] <snowrichard> my monitor just came
  • [20:00:19] <snowrichard> i can reflash the demo image and try again later
  • [20:00:51] <av500> the demo image did not match your kernel
  • [20:01:24] <av500> but there was another large image from 12th jan, that might be non-systemd
  • [20:01:26] <av500> koen: ??
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  • [20:05:34] <snowrichard> monitor is here but as i expected only VGA cable, so i have to wait for my hdmi-dvi cable set to come in
  • [20:06:51] <snowrichard> ok i'll go look at the mirror again, check that other image
  • [20:07:00] <snowrichard> later
  • [20:07:46] <SilicaGel> mru: thanks very much for that description, that really does help clear some things up in my mind.
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  • [20:18:54] <SilicaGel> It should be pretty easy to route a hardware timer in the am3359 to a PRU shoudln't it?
  • [20:19:16] <SilicaGel> I guess I don't even really need interrupts, if I can just look for an output state of the timer, I can just poll. I'm making a specialized UART
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  • [20:33:25] <snowrichard> found a 12 jan ti gnome img.gz i guess that is the one you were looking at av500?
  • [20:35:50] <snowrichard> 120Kb/sec from the amazon mirror, 2Kb/sec from the angstrom one
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  • [20:42:04] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:43:29] <snowrichard> so i guess this is a zcat ... | dd kind of thing i'll look up the instructions again
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  • [20:44:28] <carli2> hi
  • [20:44:44] <carli2> two questions:
  • [20:44:46] <carli2> http://blog.tkjelectronics.dk/wp-content/uploads/beaglebone.jpg
  • [20:45:20] <carli2> 1 - I want to use the beaglebone with battery, are there solutions for that?
  • [20:45:37] <carli2> 2 - I want to use GPIO on the beaglebone, where to solder/plug it in?
  • [20:47:21] <carli2> or should i rather use a beagleboard?
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  • [20:55:05] <viggi> hey
  • [20:55:09] <viggi> i need a help
  • [20:55:24] <viggi> i got by beaglebone today
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  • [20:55:30] <SilicaGel> ok
  • [20:55:34] <Guest43132> i installed linux
  • [20:55:35] <woglinde> and?
  • [20:55:39] <Guest43132> into my PC
  • [20:55:42] <woglinde> I got non
  • [20:55:46] <SilicaGel> do you mean you stuck the sdhc card that came with it into the slot?
  • [20:55:51] <SilicaGel> oh
  • [20:55:58] <woglinde> why you bought a bone when you have no clue about linux?
  • [20:56:01] <Guest43132> no i connected my board to the PC
  • [20:56:12] <Guest43132> *learning*
  • [20:56:13] <SilicaGel> and now you don't know how to talk to it?
  • [20:56:27] <Guest43132> yep
  • [20:56:39] <Guest43132> i installed CCS and other files in the start here
  • [20:56:43] <SilicaGel> yeah
  • [20:56:48] <SilicaGel> what linux dist did you isntall
  • [20:56:49] <woglinde> oh no ccs again
  • [20:57:07] <Guest43132> im searching for the setup.sh i am supposed to open
  • [20:57:22] <Guest43132> how do i kind of find it?
  • [20:57:25] <SilicaGel> yeah you can do that to isntall all their tools if you really want to
  • [20:57:36] <woglinde> you need dhcp server and ssh client
  • [20:57:44] <woglinde> than you can ssh into the bone
  • [20:57:44] <Guest43132> kk?
  • [20:57:59] <woglinde> or use a serial cable to connect
  • [20:58:02] <Guest43132> mmm i wish ter was some good book for it
  • [20:58:06] <SilicaGel> is that easier than just making sure the ftdi driver is attached to the bone's vid:pid and then install picocom
  • [20:58:11] <SilicaGel> That's where I started.
  • [20:58:31] <woglinde> book is to old when it is getting printed
  • [20:58:44] <Guest43132> ok so how do i see my Board's angstrom?
  • [20:58:51] <Guest43132> from ubuntu?
  • [20:59:06] <woglinde> serial console
  • [20:59:09] <woglinde> via usb
  • [20:59:18] <woglinde> or ssh
  • [20:59:24] <woglinde> when it got an ip
  • [20:59:39] <Guest43132> how do i see it thru USB?
  • [20:59:45] <Guest43132> sorry if i am a noob
  • [20:59:50] <Guest43132> i am exited abt it
  • [21:00:06] <woglinde> hm didnt we give you enough hints
  • [21:00:17] <woglinde> to figure it our yourself
  • [21:00:47] <Guest43132> sorry but i cant understand yet
  • [21:00:51] <woglinde> maybee you want start here -> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [21:00:55] <Guest43132> how do i access thru USB:?
  • [21:01:04] <Guest43132> kk
  • [21:01:07] <woglinde> via terminal programm
  • [21:01:12] <Guest43132> but aint beaglebone diff?
  • [21:01:14] <woglinde> like minicom cutecom
  • [21:01:20] <woglinde> or screen
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  • [21:02:35] <Guest43132> kk
  • [21:02:39] <Guest43132> got it :D
  • [21:02:44] <Guest43132> thanks
  • [21:02:54] <woglinde> hm your are right
  • [21:03:05] <woglinde> search didnt reveal a site dedictaed to the bone
  • [21:03:07] <woglinde> intressting
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  • [21:03:36] <woglinde> here is something to read
  • [21:03:38] <woglinde> http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=Hitchhikers_Guide_to_the_BeagleBone_(and_ARMv7a)
  • [21:03:43] <woglinde> start at tips and tricks
  • [21:03:45] <Guest43132> :F
  • [21:03:48] <Guest43132> :D
  • [21:03:49] <Guest43132> :D
  • [21:03:51] <Guest43132> thanks
  • [21:03:53] <woglinde> ignore the stuff at the beginning for now
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  • [21:04:09] <woglinde> How to connect to the BeagleBone via mini-USB
  • [21:04:11] <SilicaGel> or picocom
  • [21:04:15] <SilicaGel> aptitude install picocom
  • [21:04:22] <SilicaGel> or wahtever your flavor dictates
  • [21:05:01] <Guest43132> wat am i supposed to read in hitch hikker's guide?
  • [21:05:16] <woglinde> how to get gentoo on bone
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  • [21:08:29] <entropia_> Salut, I have a question about first connection with Beagleboard. For the first time I used a usb, but there was no reaction, no messages in the terminal. I assumed that I should use a power adaptor, so I have one right now, but there is still no response and I still don't get any messages via the hyperterminal im using. What can be wrong?
  • [21:09:21] <Guest43132> mmmm
  • [21:09:30] <Guest43132> im a 11th grader
  • [21:09:38] <Guest43132> by the way
  • [21:14:54] <woglinde> and?
  • [21:15:02] <Guest43132> its commin "Sorry Cannot find PTY"
  • [21:15:06] <Guest43132> ;/
  • [21:15:24] <Guest43132> im totally new to linux stuff
  • [21:15:26] <woglinde> did you run the modprobe command?
  • [21:15:32] <Guest43132> ?
  • [21:15:39] <Guest43132> i ran screen /dev/ttyS0 115200"
  • [21:15:42] <woglinde> than you have to to learn much
  • [21:15:48] <Guest43132> mmmm]
  • [21:15:50] <woglinde> and?
  • [21:16:02] <Guest43132> the error came up
  • [21:16:10] <Guest43132> :/
  • [21:16:40] <woglinde> you can read nor?
  • [21:16:45] <entropia_> salut, I would like to ask about any way of getting connected with my BeagleBoard. I started with tutorials saying that you can power your BB with usb, so i did so, but nothing happened. I had no response via terminal. Then I read somewhere that I definitely shouldn't use it this way, cause the bootloader may not work and I should use a power adaptor. Right now I'm having a 5V power adaptor plugged and stil can't get any response
  • [21:16:46] <woglinde> modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x0403 product=0xa6d0
  • [21:17:07] <woglinde> entropia_ whats the ampere?
  • [21:17:16] <woglinde> you need 1200 mA at least
  • [21:17:28] <woglinde> maybee 1000 works too
  • [21:17:37] <_av500_> and a working serial setuo
  • [21:17:39] <woglinde> otherwise consider your board broken
  • [21:17:51] <xxiao> SilicaGel: is picocom really smaller than microcom?
  • [21:17:52] <woglinde> av500 I think he doesnt see the lights
  • [21:18:03] <xxiao> pico vs micro, that is
  • [21:18:10] <entropia_> Thanks for response, I'lll check it all.
  • [21:18:13] <xxiao> minicom -- microcom -- picocom, good names
  • [21:18:21] <woglinde> xxiao is not relevant, features and linebreakstuff and such matters
  • [21:18:35] <Guest43132> hey and by the way can i devlop on windows also?
  • [21:18:42] <SilicaGel> i think so. picocom is sorta crappy. but it's smallish
  • [21:18:45] <xxiao> woglinde: most of the time i just need a dumb one for input/output though
  • [21:18:46] <Guest43132> or is it only linux to linux?
  • [21:19:00] <woglinde> Guest43132 there is something called crosscompiler
  • [21:19:07] <woglinde> which even works on windows
  • [21:19:10] <woglinde> under cygwin
  • [21:19:14] <Guest43132> kk :D
  • [21:19:17] <Guest43132> putty:?
  • [21:19:25] <woglinde> putty is for ssh dude
  • [21:19:32] <Guest43132> kk
  • [21:19:40] <Guest43132> i used it on zigbee
  • [21:19:40] <xxiao> also for serial port(putty),
  • [21:19:51] <xxiao> way better than hyperterminal, of course
  • [21:19:51] <woglinde> zibee is a standard
  • [21:19:56] <woglinde> not a device
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  • [21:20:16] <Guest43132> ok a xbee module to be specific
  • [21:20:20] <woglinde> xxiao hm right always forget this
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  • [21:22:40] <woglinde> xxiao in latest beta you even get kerberos support
  • [21:22:42] <xxiao> woglinde: i used teraterm on window$ but it's not supported on window$7, so putty become the next option now
  • [21:22:43] <entropia_> woglinde, i checked it, its 3A. Also I'm using an RS232 to USB converter and when i used it to work on qwerk, it was good.
  • [21:22:51] <Guest43132> ok so hey so wat do i do?
  • [21:23:00] <Guest43132> i tried out the method u told
  • [21:23:10] <Guest43132> and i cant get it working
  • [21:23:10] <woglinde> did you made the modprobe?
  • [21:23:30] <woglinde> than run the command dmesg
  • [21:23:48] <woglinde> at look on which device the serial line is connected
  • [21:23:59] <woglinde> its something like /dev/ttyUSB0
  • [21:24:06] <woglinde> use screen on this device
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  • [21:39:55] <Guest43132> ok now my beaglebone is connected to my PC
  • [21:40:03] <Guest43132> and i can find its network
  • [21:40:09] <Guest43132> how do i find the IP
  • [21:40:16] <Guest43132> in ubuntu/
  • [21:41:22] <thurbad> ifconfig
  • [21:44:24] <woglinde> ip show link
  • [21:45:58] <aholler> ip addr
  • [21:46:15] <Guest43132> kk
  • [21:46:49] <Guest43132> done
  • [21:47:19] <Guest43132> thanks
  • [21:47:22] <Guest43132> and bye
  • [21:47:33] <Guest43132> ill learn i lot i guess
  • [21:47:36] <Guest43132> :D
  • [21:47:43] <woglinde> yes
  • [21:47:51] <woglinde> or you will give up
  • [21:47:54] <Guest43132> special thanks to woglinde
  • [21:48:18] <Guest43132> so hey wer do i go and read abt beaglebone?
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  • [21:57:31] <spacecolonyone> can anyone offer a few sentence summary of the reorganization of bitbake and open embedded? I've been fighting with it trying to get newer kernel (e.g.>=39) to develop a driver for new camera board I'm building without any success.
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  • [21:59:27] <spacecolonyone> So I finally say screw it, rm -r and reclone the angstrom git repo. Now it is actually building console-image with 2.6.39 (I'll have to see if it works), but Im noticing the the entire openembedded structure has changed.
  • [21:59:45] <spacecolonyone> meta-this and meta-that, etc.
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  • [22:03:35] <snowrichard> success! the ti gnome image booted almost immediately, got serial console, net up and dropbear started automatically thanks _av500_
  • [22:03:43] <woglinde> spacecolonyone yes we have now real layers
  • [22:04:16] <woglinde> and therefor bitbake parses a lot faster
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  • [22:04:55] <spacecolonyone> I suspected it might relate to layers.
  • [22:05:39] <snowrichard> so gnome and X appear to be installed i could use ssh -X and run some X app with display on my pc hopefully
  • [22:07:09] <snowrichard> i can see the X display on the svideo but its rolling i suspect i need to fix uEnv.txt
  • [22:07:31] <snowrichard> or boot environment variables
  • [22:08:11] <xxiao> initial conclusion: cloud9 is painfully slow, and it sucks
  • [22:08:17] <spacecolonyone> does this alter how I go about setting which kernel I want it to compile for when I do bitbake virtual/kernel? Though, for that matter, I was never really clear on how to do that previously. I'd tried creating a local overlay with an angstrom beagleboard config file that had the preferred provider set to linux-omap-2.6.39 but wasn't getting anywhere with it.
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  • [22:08:48] * xxiao went back to stone age vi
  • [22:09:00] <woglinde> spacecolonyone go to the meta-ti layer
  • [22:09:07] <woglinde> and look at the machine config
  • [22:09:24] <woglinde> the kernel is normaly defined there
  • [22:09:25] <spacecolonyone> yea, I'm slowing going through each of the files in there that have beagleboard in the name
  • [22:09:29] <spacecolonyone> slowly*
  • [22:09:39] <woglinde> spacecolonyone but you can define it in local.conf too if you want
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  • [22:11:03] <spacecolonyone> so setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel in local.conf overrides... I guess that makes sense. Right now it is set to simply "linux" so I am trying to track down what "linux" means
  • [22:13:27] <spacecolonyone> 490 of 3387, ugh
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  • [22:21:59] <woglinde> spacecolonyone have fun
  • [22:22:34] <spacecolonyone> woglinde when you say "we" have layers to whom do you refer? the angstom distribution, oe, arago, ?
  • [22:22:37] <spacecolonyone> Hah!
  • [22:23:25] <spacecolonyone> I've got 12 days to get media-ctl and yavta up and running with a crude custom driver!
  • [22:23:50] <woglinde> spacecolonyone whole oe community
  • [22:24:11] <woglinde> dont know what arago now uses
  • [22:24:22] <xxiao> legacy stuff
  • [22:24:52] <SilicaGel> yeah, things have actually gone more smooth for us on angstrom than when we were tryign to stick with arago
  • [22:25:15] <SilicaGel> ... just because things are more up-to-date
  • [22:25:22] <spacecolonyone> yea, I git the impression that arago is a bit too slow to update
  • [22:25:32] <SilicaGel> Yeah and I was waiting for things like DCAN drivers
  • [22:25:40] <xxiao> SilicaGel: TI's build system is heavily depending on arago, i guess it's hard for them to upgrade
  • [22:25:48] <SilicaGel> ahh
  • [22:26:10] <spacecolonyone> I need the working ispvideo code and it looks like that wasn't merged in until 2.6.39
  • [22:26:28] <denix> spacecolonyone: that's because there are several productions releases behind arago. it's not meant to be cutting edge
  • [22:26:28] <xxiao> spacecolonyone: what is ispvideo?
  • [22:26:42] <SilicaGel> well jwinnebeck got our project to the point (thanks to woglinde's help, as I understand) where he can use bitbake and build the whole darned thing from source
  • [22:26:46] <SilicaGel> it's very very nice
  • [22:27:00] <denix> xxiao: btw, arago is now being switched to oe-core/meta-ti...
  • [22:27:03] <SilicaGel> some time soon I need to figure out the proper way to patch a few things, like opkg
  • [22:27:06] <spacecolonyone> the ccdc subsystem that Laurent hase been developing
  • [22:27:26] <SilicaGel> I actually reached out to the opkg project and offered to help with development ... but they haven't responded to me
  • [22:27:28] <denix> either way, I keep saying arago is not meant for #beagle crowd, no matter what mdp says
  • [22:28:24] <xxiao> denix: from when? 5.03 SDK is still with the 'old' arago at least
  • [22:28:38] <spacecolonyone> xxiao: my bad omap3isp
  • [22:28:41] <woglinde> SilicaGel hm better write to the oe-core ml
  • [22:28:43] <xxiao> denix: i have not updated my arago for a few weeks
  • [22:28:56] <SilicaGel> Really? Hmm.I had to dig through opkg' s source to realy understand what it does and doesn't do compared to debian specs. And that struck me as bad when there's a wiki associated with the project (with very limited info on it). So I offered
  • [22:29:03] <woglinde> opkg upstream is dead I think
  • [22:29:30] <SilicaGel> sorry, ended sentence too earlier. I offered to write wiki pages explaining things, particularly in the area of control files and package maintenance scripts
  • [22:29:32] <xxiao> spacecolonyone: googled it, thanks
  • [22:29:36] <SilicaGel> s/earlier/erly/
  • [22:29:45] <SilicaGel> man i don't want to join another mailing list though, I'm at brain capacity now!!!
  • [22:30:04] <xxiao> SilicaGel: that do it, if you don't have write permission, then host it somewhere else and just ask someone to add a link at oe
  • [22:30:08] <denix> xxiao: true, 5.03 was released in december. the product cycle is usually few months...
  • [22:30:09] <xxiao> s/that/then
  • [22:30:39] <SilicaGel> woah, there's an #oe ..... why the crap didn't I think of that before now
  • [22:31:00] <woglinde> lol
  • [22:31:00] <xxiao> denix: are you saying furture sdk are going to based on oe-core / meta-oe ? gradually? which chip will hit it first?
  • [22:31:09] <woglinde> SilicaGel asked me first next time
  • [22:31:12] <denix> xxiao: btw, you want see changes in the same repository. the work on yocto-fying arago has been going for a while, but not at full speed yet.
  • [22:31:28] <woglinde> okay
  • [22:31:32] <denix> s/want/won't
  • [22:31:34] <woglinde> time to say good nite
  • [22:31:41] <djlewis> gn
  • [22:31:53] * xxiao went to check on yocto-frying
  • [22:32:08] <djlewis> is that deepfried in peanut oil?
  • [22:32:48] <xxiao> denix: where is it?
  • [22:33:01] <xxiao> failed to find it at arago/people
  • [22:33:10] <spacecolonyone> so when a machine conf file says PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = linux how does one go about finding where that maps to a particular git source tree?
  • [22:33:41] <denix> xxiao: not published yet
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  • [22:33:53] <xxiao> denix: ok, thanks for the heads up
  • [22:33:57] <xxiao> looking forward to it
  • [22:35:32] <denix> djlewis: deep fried yoctopus sounds delicious! :)
  • [22:37:39] <entropia_> gn everyone, ty for your help
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  • [23:03:20] <snowrichard> amazingly warm weather today
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  • [23:05:10] <dfsmith> Hi all. Is there an "official" way to update the Control_Module status on the Beaglebone? I've modified u-Boot to set up ePWM1, but I'd prefer user-space control. The Control_Module memory appears to be locked in a read only state.
  • [23:07:34] <djlewis> snowrichard: where?
  • [23:07:46] <snowrichard> here in east texas
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  • [23:07:58] <snowrichard> had to turn on ac for a while
  • [23:08:08] <djlewis> yep, same here in central Arkansas, not AC warm though
  • [23:08:11] <djlewis> doors are open
  • [23:08:21] <snowrichard> last night i was freezing even with blankets
  • [23:08:34] <djlewis> I was under about 6 inches of covers
  • [23:09:36] <snowrichard> thermometer on the wall says 72 now
  • [23:09:49] <snowrichard> i turned on the ac for a while when it was 79
  • [23:10:18] <snowrichard> one of the first arduino projects i built was a temp sensor
  • [23:11:14] <snowrichard> or actually it wasn't even arduino it was nerdkit bare controller on a breadboard
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  • [23:13:47] <snowrichard> i got this ti gnome image up, have a serial console, but can't install any packages cause of problems connecting to feeds.angstrom
  • [23:14:12] <snowrichard> my isp said they'd get back to me in 2 days
  • [23:16:02] <snowrichard> angstrom site says there is a us mirror i may try configureing that next
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  • [23:18:29] <djlewis> snowrichard: yesterday people reported problems with angstrom feed
  • [23:20:10] <snowrichard> black for sopa right lol
  • [23:20:26] <thurbad> stupid sopa
  • [23:20:39] <thurbad> stupid reps
  • [23:20:59] <snowrichard> i'm sure the media will have an ongoing sopa opera
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  • [23:21:56] <calculus> is it just me or does http://beagleboard.org/static/flyer_latest.pdf say "Speci cations" under BeagleBone and BeagleBoard-xM?
  • [23:23:34] <snowrichard> unbuntu pdf reader has the whole word for me
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  • [23:25:50] <snowrichard> there i'm feeling a bit better. been a while since i ate, just got some ham
  • [23:26:36] <djlewis> its all there in bold for me using and OLD ubuntu and doc reader
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  • [23:27:57] <snowrichard> got to lay down a bit getting legs cramped from sitting on the floor here all night
  • [23:30:26] <calculus> OS X Preview is being naughty then
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  • [23:39:59] <snowrichard> you got a mac? intel or power pc
  • [23:40:56] <snowrichard> last mac's i used were those ones with the 12" b/w screen
  • [23:41:18] <snowrichard> 20mb hard drive and lots of floppy disks in file boxes
  • [23:42:13] <snowrichard> great laser printer on the appletalk net though
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  • [23:58:35] <calculus> intel
  • [23:59:52] <snowrichard> i just got x11vnc up and connected to from my ubuntu desktop