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  • [00:53:38] <tlab> hi emeb
  • [00:53:45] <emeb> tlab: hey
  • [00:54:05] <tlab> I take it you got your spi rotary encoder to work?
  • [00:54:18] <emeb> tlab: yep - just peachy.
  • [00:54:36] <emeb> On to the next challenge now - codec.
  • [00:54:41] <tlab> did you use spi0 or spi1, or both?
  • [00:55:01] <emeb> Err - spi for what?
  • [00:55:14] <emeb> I'm using spi0, but that's for a display interface
  • [00:55:14] <tlab> rotary encoder?
  • [00:55:18] <tlab> oh
  • [00:55:22] <emeb> rotary encoder just uses GPIO
  • [00:55:29] <tlab> so your just transmitting out only then?
  • [00:56:03] <emeb> tlab: not sure what you mean
  • [00:56:39] <tlab> your just sending the display info, your not reading from it
  • [00:56:50] <emeb> tlab: that's correct.
  • [00:57:04] <emeb> the display I'm using doesn't have serial readback
  • [00:57:30] <emeb> some may, and I'm also using spi0 for tx/rx with an FPGA on another project.
  • [00:57:35] <tlab> I have an analog to digital chip I want to use, to learn with
  • [00:58:01] <emeb> sounds fun. SPI?
  • [00:58:28] <tlab> yea I've used SPI with a hc12 microcontroller in C
  • [00:58:36] <tlab> but using linux is new
  • [00:58:54] <emeb> spi in linux userland is very different from spi in a uC
  • [00:59:19] <tlab> dwery showed me the /sys/kernel/debug folder
  • [00:59:31] <emeb> I think dwery: published a patch for enabling both spi channels as spidev devices yesterday.
  • [00:59:33] <tlab> emeb, I can tell
  • [00:59:37] <jacekowski> emeb: SSI?
  • [01:00:09] <emeb> jacekowski: not sure what you mean
  • [01:00:21] <jacekowski> is that SSI encoder you've got
  • [01:00:29] <jacekowski> or just normal incremental one?
  • [01:00:48] <emeb> jacekowski: it's a passive quadrature encoder.
  • [01:01:06] <emeb> basically two pulses 90deg out of phase from a wiper switch.
  • [01:01:12] <tlab> emeb, I'm hoping to learn linux better using the beaglebone
  • [01:01:17] <jacekowski> yeah i know
  • [01:01:35] <jacekowski> you need some way to reset to 0 with those
  • [01:02:02] <emeb> jacekowski: I'm just using it relative. driver returns +1/-1 messages
  • [01:02:17] <tlab> like a radio volume knob
  • [01:02:35] <emeb> yep - or the select wheel on an iPod.
  • [01:03:09] <emeb> dinner - bbiab
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  • [02:20:16] <ka6sox-away> emeb, I don't think the latest kernel patches are in Angstrom
  • [02:20:35] <ka6sox-away> I saw some that went for the evm but not for the bone for AM335X
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  • [02:55:44] <emeb> ka6sox-away: where did you see them?
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  • [03:07:23] <ka6sox-away> I was wrong...still investigating.
  • [03:07:54] <ka6sox-away> I wonder if OMAP3 or AM18XX are a better starting place for the GPMC stuff.
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  • [04:39:08] <doublebeta> http://i.imgur.com/Px7PE.jpg PMSL!!!
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  • [05:33:03] <emeb_mac> It's quiet here... too quiet.
  • [05:34:45] <ds2> move west to the airbase
  • [05:35:55] <emeb_mac> Wouldn't that be a treat.
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  • [05:41:18] <ka6sox> how far west?
  • [05:44:23] <aholler> until it's getting wild
  • [05:45:20] <ka6sox> I do not live in North America, I am on the Pacific Plate
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  • [05:57:26] <emeb_mac> ka6sox: Luke AFB is about 20 miles west of me.
  • [05:57:47] <ka6sox> used to be a training base right?
  • [05:57:56] <emeb_mac> Still is IIRC
  • [05:58:29] <emeb_mac> Lotsa F16 traffic there.
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  • [06:00:43] <ka6sox> I just have to watch for falling missles.
  • [06:00:51] <ka6sox> boxed in by the Navy and USAF.
  • [06:01:20] <emeb_mac> Point Mugu down south, Vandenberg up north?
  • [06:01:30] <ka6sox> yup
  • [06:02:12] <ka6sox> they have a 10m dish for telemetry up on a mountain I go to....its amazing.
  • [06:02:23] <ka6sox> it moves almost silently.
  • [06:02:33] <ka6sox> and you know its 100's of tons.
  • [06:02:38] <emeb_mac> Now that's big iron!
  • [06:02:45] <ka6sox> ooohyah
  • [06:03:13] <emeb_mac> Went on the tour at VLA a few years back. Neat stuff.
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  • [07:04:51] <tasslehoff> good morning && happy new year
  • [07:05:08] <ka6sox> tasslehoff, same to you.
  • [07:07:27] <ds2> any new years day beagle projects?
  • [07:07:39] <ds2> or maybe rose parade involvement?
  • [07:08:03] <ka6sox> for me?
  • [07:08:08] <ka6sox> I stayed away
  • [07:11:55] <ds2> or anyone
  • [07:12:03] <ds2> you didn't venture down?
  • [07:15:38] <ka6sox> nope, I stayed safely 2hrs away.
  • [07:15:54] <ka6sox> if it is on a saturday I like to go the day after.
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  • [07:24:50] <ds2> I see.
  • [07:24:59] <ds2> Grrrrrrrr. the Linux foundation page is F'ed
  • [07:25:22] <ka6sox> ds2, has been for several months...
  • [07:25:56] <ds2> I see.
  • [07:26:13] <ds2> so glad I pasted a copy of my submission into vi
  • [07:26:24] <ka6sox> ya
  • [07:26:59] <ds2> they need to stop using CSSs
  • [07:27:53] <ka6sox> go back to HTML3
  • [07:28:45] <av500> HNY everyone...
  • [07:28:54] <ka6sox> I just love it when I see a patch that starts with the word HACK
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  • [07:29:48] <ka6sox> mawnin koen
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  • [07:32:02] <tasslehoff> koen, has 2011.03-maintenance previously used 2.6.39 but gone back to 2.6.37, or has it been on .37 all along?
  • [07:32:16] <av500> 2011 is so 2011
  • [07:33:02] <tasslehoff> 2011.03 is almost so 2010
  • [07:33:18] <av500> tasslehoff: time to format c:
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  • [07:38:29] <koen> tasslehoff: .37
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  • [07:44:29] <tasslehoff> koen, ok. PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-omap_beagleboard seems to be relevant :)
  • [07:45:05] <tasslehoff> I need something (seemingly) stable in march, so I have decided to go for the 2011.03 branch for now
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  • [07:46:56] <ds2> ka6sox: if you were to do a cape, would you bother with a library symbol for the connectors?
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  • [08:05:11] <kaio> hi is beagle bone out of stock? when can I get it now?
  • [08:06:09] <av500> make one out of the rib bone of a beagle XM
  • [08:06:24] <av500> this has worked in the past for some
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  • [08:24:06] <ka6sox> ds2, yes
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  • [09:16:24] <av500> open source infighting is so much fun
  • [09:19:50] <ka6sox> what now?
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  • [09:27:39] <aholler> less trouble than company infightings
  • [09:36:03] <aholler> fork, done ;)
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  • [09:45:32] <ka6sox> aholler, I used to remember when forking was the LAST option...now with github...its the first :p
  • [09:46:53] <av500> ka6sox: I dont think much changed, its just that these so called "forks" are now public
  • [09:47:04] <av500> before they were folders on peoples hard drives
  • [09:47:14] <ka6sox> av500, true
  • [09:47:40] <ka6sox> bleh...1GB of sources to download...
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  • [09:49:03] <aholler> githubs forks are dumb. you can't get rid of them or has this changed?
  • [09:49:23] <ka6sox> what, can't trim a branch/
  • [09:49:25] <ka6sox> ?
  • [09:51:15] <koen> ka6sox: the big difference is that github has a ton of tools to make merging back easier
  • [09:51:24] <koen> e.g. the huge "pull request" button
  • [09:51:39] <ka6sox> yes, I agree its the right option.
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  • [10:02:34] <aholler> anyone already on friday at fosdem?
  • [10:03:14] <aholler> http://fosdem.org/2012/beerevent
  • [10:03:19] <av500> jup
  • [10:03:31] <av500> why else would one go there?
  • [10:04:29] <ka6sox> they need this @ SCaLE and we would get more folk there.
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  • [10:18:30] <aholler> av500: where do you stay?
  • [10:22:41] <hitlin37> beagle-house
  • [10:22:54] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: chack @ friday
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  • [10:23:21] <LetoThe2nd> s/chack/check/
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  • [10:33:31] <aholler> ok, planned, now I have to book.
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  • [10:50:25] <yqen_> Hi everyone, I just bought a beaglebone and try to develope an C application doing SPI communication. I have managed to setup the development environment in unbuntu and successfully built an Angstrom image. But I am confused with where to start my appication development. Normally in Linux, I will find out what header files and libraries needed and then create Makefiles to compile the source fiels. But Angstrom looks different to me
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  • [10:53:45] <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6627156905/
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  • [10:54:29] <LetoThe2nd> koen: you know the tripods from the war of worlds?
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  • [10:56:15] <koen> LetoThe2nd: I do
  • [10:56:58] <koen> LetoThe2nd: if you have a lasercutter: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:14580
  • [10:57:00] <LetoThe2nd> koen: make sure that evil aliens don't take over your bones software. the resemblance is striking.
  • [10:57:45] <LetoThe2nd> koen: hehe
  • [11:02:00] <dwery> yqen_: have you ever programmed spi devices?
  • [11:02:25] <dwery> (on linux, with spidev)
  • [11:03:13] <yqen_> not in linux. I wrote a simple app in Cortex M3 before
  • [11:03:48] <dwery> in linux, SPI adapters can be bound to a /dev/spidevXX device, which you will talk to
  • [11:03:53] <yqen_> that app directly control SPI
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  • [11:04:45] <dwery> If it's your first time, I'd suggest to find a SPI adapter for a desktop PC, maybe an USB/SPI, which supports spidev
  • [11:04:58] <dwery> so you can develop the app on your desktop and switch to the bone later
  • [11:05:33] <aholler> hmm, ti should design something like that: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/hp-and-calxedas-moonshot-arm-servers-will-bring-all-the-boys-to/
  • [11:05:51] <yqen_> ok. so the spi devices on beaglebone is the same as in a desktop linux?
  • [11:06:20] <dwery> the interface is the ssame, once you have a working /dev/spidevXX
  • [11:07:01] <av500> yawn
  • [11:07:11] <aholler> how much ram does a omap can have?
  • [11:07:25] <yqen_> As for the Angstrom, where should I start?
  • [11:07:39] <av500> 2 at least
  • [11:07:53] <av500> but for that you'd want omap5 that can use DDR3
  • [11:08:05] <av500> dunno how much it will be able to run
  • [11:08:29] <aholler> you would need something without a grpahics engine but with sata and embedded ethernet
  • [11:08:39] <dwery> you will need a patch, as the stock kernel doesn't support spidev
  • [11:09:04] <av500> you need the GPU for GPU computing, its hot
  • [11:09:09] <dwery> but I hope the patch will be included in the stock kernel in the next days
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  • [11:09:37] <koen> LetoThe2nd: it's trying to tell me something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNGNkQ0G0-w
  • [11:09:40] <dwery> http://pastebin.ca/2097986
  • [11:09:48] <LetoThe2nd> av500: give it pcie lanes and stick teslas there :)
  • [11:10:22] <LetoThe2nd> koen: hm. beep-beep. two short... whats that in morse?
  • [11:10:26] <av500> teslas?
  • [11:10:38] <av500> the castrated omap4 dsp?
  • [11:10:55] <LetoThe2nd> av500: nope, the nvidia buzzword gpu computing thing.
  • [11:11:02] <koen> I know there's a A8 + 8x DSP design coming
  • [11:11:08] <koen> or 16x DSP, I forget
  • [11:11:25] <av500> for xG basestations
  • [11:11:28] <av500> as usual
  • [11:11:47] * LetoThe2nd is more waiting for an A8 + general purpose M3.
  • [11:11:50] <koen> LetoThe2nd: it's a heartbeat, the bone is configured for the DVI cape, which has 2 user LEDs
  • [11:12:04] <koen> the beaglebone has 2 M3s
  • [11:12:05] <LetoThe2nd> koen: sure ;)
  • [11:12:19] <av500> LetoThe2nd: the omap4 has 2 m3s too
  • [11:12:43] <LetoThe2nd> av500: koen: two M3 which AFAICS you cannot abuse for "real" process control things.. so both of no use :(
  • [11:13:08] <av500> LetoThe2nd: why not?
  • [11:13:23] <LetoThe2nd> av500: s/no use/no use for me/
  • [11:13:24] <av500> LetoThe2nd: on omap4, the M3s can talk to all the io space afaik
  • [11:14:24] <LetoThe2nd> av500: there was some reason why people said i can't use them as real process control coprocessors. i admit i already forget it again.
  • [11:15:03] <av500> "the cargo cult is strong in this one"
  • [11:15:28] <LetoThe2nd> av500: wasn't it you and the amnesia is strong in both of use?
  • [11:15:35] <LetoThe2nd> s/use/us/
  • [11:15:35] <yqen_> thanks. After the new kernel compiled, where can I find the headers and libraries? Acctually i am confused with how to get all things ready for the application development
  • [11:17:48] * av500 wonders how one sets up CVS
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  • [11:19:15] <dwery> which headers and libraries?
  • [11:21:06] <LetoThe2nd> av500: need a link to linus' rant so the temptation of using CVS goes away?
  • [11:21:48] <aholler> cvs is like svn, just painfull
  • [11:23:44] <av500> I have a 10y old cvs repo I need to use
  • [11:23:52] <av500> I think I will just convert it to git and be done
  • [11:23:55] <aholler> import it
  • [11:24:03] <av500> aholler: right
  • [11:24:05] <LetoThe2nd> av500: resorting to transmeta you are? *SCNR*
  • [11:24:31] <aholler> ou just need to setup a file to do user-mapping
  • [11:24:45] <av500> easy, only 2 users :)
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  • [11:29:06] <aholler> have done that with all my stuff
  • [11:29:27] <av500> aholler: with what tool?
  • [11:32:11] <aholler> from my personal wiki (german): http://fpaste.org/5wf2/
  • [11:37:45] <yqen_> Normally in linux, you will include some .h files in the C files and link the objec file to the some libraries. I assume in Angstrom you will need to do the same. is it not?
  • [11:39:00] <aholler> git has everything needed (besides some perl-stuff, but that usually is a dependency of git-cvs or however its named on your linux)
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  • [11:39:33] <dwery> absolutely yes, but that's true for every platform, even windows
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  • [11:45:09] <yqen_> yes, how to get all these set up for beaglebone? I use bitbake to compile the Angstrom. it downloads and generate 10G+ files. How can I use these files for my app development?
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  • [11:47:47] <dwery> do not use them
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  • [11:48:05] <dwery> develop your app on your desktop linux pc
  • [11:48:23] <av500> aholler: fatal: Needed a single revision; Branch 'origin' does not exist.
  • [11:48:24] <yqen_> In desktop linux, I will set up the right path to the header files and libraries, how to do that for Angstrom and beaglebone?
  • [11:48:35] <dwery> angstrom IS linux
  • [11:50:52] <yqen_> But when you cross-compile the appication for beaglebone, you will need the libraries.
  • [11:52:07] <dwery> yes, but if you are not experienced with cross compiling and linux in general, is better to have your app developed on desktop and then recompile it on the beagleboard
  • [11:52:20] <dwery> beside that, talking with spi does not require any specific library
  • [11:52:39] <dwery> you will fine and example into the Documentation/spi/ folder of the linux kernel
  • [11:52:43] <dwery> find*
  • [11:52:46] <dwery> an*
  • [11:54:19] <yqen_> Ok. you mean running C compiler on beagleboard directly?
  • [11:54:25] <dwery> yes
  • [11:55:11] <yqen_> i see. so the the angstrom image comes with all header files and libraries?
  • [11:55:18] <dwery> yes
  • [11:55:55] <av500> aholler: do I run that against a checkout or the CVS master folder?
  • [11:58:57] <yqen_> ok. one more question. I am new to git. the above link you sent me. Do it just save the text as a patch file and theno apply to the kernel source? Can you give some instruction for that?
  • [11:59:15] <dwery> yes, exactly.
  • [12:00:08] <dwery> the kernel source will be somewhere in the huge amount of files that the angstrom building process downloaded
  • [12:01:14] <yqen_> where is the kernel source in open-embedded? i got a folder called setup-scripts and lots stuff under it
  • [12:02:04] <dwery> it can be a complicated path use the "find" command looking for any file you know it will be in the kernel, like board-am335xevm.c
  • [12:04:15] <aholler> master
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  • [12:05:39] <aholler> the checkout only contains one revision
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  • [12:06:57] <av500> ok
  • [12:07:03] <av500> and yet that fails somehow
  • [12:07:32] <aholler> company/project in my example cvsroot should contain a directory Company/Project which contains all those ,v
  • [12:08:13] <aholler> might be just foo for you
  • [12:08:21] <av500> ah, there was a stray .git in the folder
  • [12:08:32] <av500> its doing stuff now
  • [12:09:30] <av500> it worked :)
  • [12:12:38] <av500> aholler: any idea how it handles encoding? my precious umlauts are fubar
  • [12:13:54] <aholler> it doesn't handle them at all ;)
  • [12:14:19] <av500> nice
  • [12:14:35] <aholler> the usual iso <-> utf horror
  • [12:14:36] <yqen_> ok. is open-embedded suitable for beaglebone development at all? I found most of the materials is about building the system image but very little about development
  • [12:14:40] <av500> yes
  • [12:15:11] <dwery> it depends on what you are trying to develop. you shouldn't have any trouble for a simple SPi comms app
  • [12:15:57] <yqen_> Ok. many thanks for your help
  • [12:16:37] <mru> that can be fixed
  • [12:17:00] <mru> git filter-branch if nothing else
  • [12:18:58] <av500> any good book about it? :)
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  • [12:20:11] <aholler> man iconv
  • [12:20:45] <robin_sz> Hi, just looking at the beaglebone board ... does it run Linux? it mentions "Angstrom" as its primary boot image, but no clue as to whther thats a Linux distro or something else entirely
  • [12:20:54] <av500> yes
  • [12:20:58] <av500> angstrom is linux
  • [12:21:00] <aholler> e.g. iconv -f iso-8859-15 -t utf-8 -c latin9.txt >utf8.txt
  • [12:21:10] <av500> aholler: that much I can guess :)
  • [12:21:13] <robin_sz> you dontthink it might be a good idea to mention that someplace in the docs?
  • [12:21:44] <av500> ....the BeagleBone brings full-featured Linux to places it has never gone before.....
  • [12:21:58] <av500> ....How does Linux make the BeagleBone easier to use than a microcontroller-based platform?....
  • [12:22:30] <av500> I'd say it mentions linux more than once
  • [12:22:37] <robin_sz> well, I cant see it on here
  • [12:22:38] <robin_sz> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [12:23:39] <robin_sz> ok, well, whatever, take it from me, after 20 minutes of looking, it was not clear to me, so make of that what you will.
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  • [12:24:00] <aholler> never gone before sounds like the void ;)
  • [12:24:15] <av500> void* ?
  • [12:25:46] <robin_sz> so, while I am here, does anyone know of a cape that provides and RS232 conneciton?
  • [12:26:08] <av500> isnt there rs232 on the bare bone?
  • [12:27:19] <robin_sz> not as far as i can tell. its on the expansion headers as a mux signal, thats all
  • [12:27:48] <av500> you have usb2serial on the bone
  • [12:28:01] <robin_sz> usb2 != rs232
  • [12:28:05] <av500> :)
  • [12:29:05] <robin_sz> I guess we'll wait until someone does an RS232 cape
  • [12:29:20] <av500> or you hook up a level shifter
  • [12:29:26] <robin_sz> to what?
  • [12:29:32] <av500> the expansion signals
  • [12:29:41] <robin_sz> I thought they were mux'd
  • [12:29:47] <av500> yes, and?
  • [12:30:01] <aholler> it's like stone
  • [12:30:04] <av500> the pins have different functions
  • [12:30:04] <robin_sz> so theres a whole load of demux to do first
  • [12:30:09] <av500> no
  • [12:30:12] <av500> its pinmux
  • [12:30:16] <av500> the muxing is inside the SOC
  • [12:30:27] <av500> you select what is demuxed at the output
  • [12:31:21] <robin_sz> I cant see a single mode that contains all the rts/cts/ttxd and rxd, it seems to be spread across several modes
  • [12:31:48] <av500> every single pin can be muxed to any of its supported modes
  • [12:32:01] <robin_sz> ah, pin by pin
  • [12:32:04] <av500> ah yes
  • [12:32:15] <av500> the mode # is just what to write into the register
  • [12:32:26] <av500> 0=foo, 1=bar, 2=baz etc..
  • [12:32:35] <robin_sz> I thought the mode was a block, but if its pin by pin, that might be doable
  • [12:33:37] <robin_sz> ok, so then its just level shift (actually, i need to end up on 4 x RS485 half duplex) so thats easy enough
  • [12:34:11] <robin_sz> looks like I shall be adding yet another embedded dev board to the pile then :)
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  • [12:35:43] <av500> pile 'em high
  • [12:35:58] <robin_sz> got lots of Rabbit stuff
  • [12:36:08] <av500> robin_sz: http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/5125778540/
  • [12:36:34] * av500 needs to buy more standoffs
  • [12:37:03] <robin_sz> thats a fair sized stack
  • [12:37:31] <robin_sz> I just cant resist buying embedded dev kits, got Rabbit, Stallaris, Bluewater etc
  • [12:38:03] <robin_sz> the bluewater stuff is lovely, but expensive compared to 'bone
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  • [12:39:44] <av500> aholler: fixed
  • [12:39:46] <av500> mru: thx
  • [12:40:09] <robin_sz> http://www.designarm.com/images/stories/da2/snapper9260.jpg 9260 or 9G20 on a SODIMM :)
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  • [12:57:24] <aholler> hmm unusable connectors ;)
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  • [12:59:40] <robin_sz> there is a dev board for it, with a SODIMM socket out to ether, serial, expansion etc, but whatever, beagle is much more cost effective :)
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  • [13:01:21] <koen> \o/
  • [13:01:22] <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/6627674419
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  • [13:02:33] <robin_sz> im pretty sure we can use it to replace a $250 commercial embedded thign we have been buying for one product, so its quite a saving :)
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  • [13:06:42] <koen> jkridner_: the hacks can be found at https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/commits/beaglebone-lcdcape
  • [13:07:12] * robin_sz looks puzzled
  • [13:07:16] <robin_sz> This evaluation board/kit does not fall within the scope of the
  • [13:07:16] <robin_sz> European Union directives regarding electromagnetic compatibility, restricted substances (RoHS), recycling
  • [13:07:16] <robin_sz> (WEEE), FCC, CE or UL, and therefore may not meet the technical requirements of these directives or other
  • [13:07:16] <robin_sz> related directives.
  • [13:07:30] <robin_sz> so its not available in the EU?
  • [13:07:49] <robin_sz> thats a disappointemnt :(
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  • [13:09:18] <av500> robin_sz: it is
  • [13:09:43] <robin_sz> is that documentation incorrect then?
  • [13:10:45] <robin_sz> if its not CE marked, it can't be sold. period. If its not RoHS, how did it get a CE mark?
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  • [13:13:15] <av500> robin_sz: its not sold as an end product
  • [13:13:23] <av500> to end users
  • [13:13:34] <av500> its sold as a part
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  • [13:15:48] <robin_sz> interesting angle on it
  • [13:16:31] <av500> robin_sz: I dont know the details
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  • [13:17:41] <robin_sz> as a non RoHS part, we could not use it anyway
  • [13:18:06] <av500> I guess its rohs
  • [13:18:23] <av500> but I guess its not "certified" rohs
  • [13:18:44] <av500> robin_sz: ask Gerald on the mailing list
  • [13:18:50] <robin_sz> OK
  • [13:18:52] <av500> he knows all the HW details
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  • [13:19:27] <robin_sz> we were looking at it for a replacement in a low run product (10/month)
  • [13:19:52] <robin_sz> its just not worth designing a custom board for those quaitities
  • [13:20:46] <robin_sz> but a beagle with a custom cape would be perfect
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  • [18:29:03] <kapu_> hi fellas, have anyone lately purchaed and got beaglebone delivered in europe?
  • [18:29:12] <Ozyus_> Hey, im new to this.. not to electronics perse, but to electronic project stuff and the BB.. anyone suggest a starting point?
  • [18:29:30] <djlewis> power it up :)
  • [18:29:42] <kapu_> and load some code to run on it...
  • [18:29:45] <kapu_> blink some leds
  • [18:29:56] <djlewis> impress your friends
  • [18:31:14] <mranostay> ...
  • [18:31:23] <mranostay> profit
  • [18:31:34] <Ozyus_> I dont have one yet.. but looking over the projects that ive seen people do .. its on the list of must have gadgets.. I guess im going to have to learn some code.. Is it like Assembly?
  • [18:31:34] <djlewis> words of wisdom
  • [18:31:51] <djlewis> its like linux
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  • [18:32:07] <Ozyus_> You caught my ear with the Profit statment..
  • [18:32:22] <Ozyus_> oh .. linux.. hmm
  • [18:32:40] <Ozyus_> then this will take longer than i thought..
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  • [18:33:22] <djlewis> the chipset is not so usable without the os
  • [18:33:47] <djlewis> unlike those other guys
  • [18:36:48] <Ozyus_> its been years since ive tinkered with this stuff.. I wasnt sure if it was like a basic chip or somthing altogether diff.. So does it run a Linux kern?
  • [18:37:15] <djlewis> yep
  • [18:38:00] <Ozyus_> would love to load up a VMDK of it to play before i buy.
  • [18:38:10] <djlewis> It can even be used as a desktop computer if ya want.
  • [18:38:16] <Ozyus_> really
  • [18:38:21] <Ozyus_> now thats interesting
  • [18:38:47] <djlewis> Runs about like an old P-800 or there abouts
  • [18:39:09] <djlewis> which with linux is pretty decent
  • [18:39:32] <djlewis> I run the Gnome desktop and dev in C mostly with mine
  • [18:39:32] <Ozyus_> what are its video out capabilities?
  • [18:39:46] <djlewis> I run 1280x1024x16
  • [18:40:22] <Ozyus_> nice
  • [18:40:26] <ka6sox-away> Ozyus_, http://www.beagleboard.org has all the specs
  • [18:40:35] <Ozyus_> Thanx
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  • [19:21:36] <Crofton> I have a question for the .eu people that order stuff from the US
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  • [19:22:23] <Crofton> if you were ordering something in the 2000 usd price range, would you rather order from the US direct and deal with shipping cost and customs yourself
  • [19:22:36] <Crofton> or order from a .eu distributor, possibly at a higher price
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  • [19:24:11] <prpplague> Crofton: based on the feedback that TCT has gotten, many people prefer ordering from a .eu so all the customs paperwork and taxes are handled
  • [19:24:55] <Crofton> this is what a guy in .eu told me, but he wanted to be a distributor :)
  • [19:25:29] <prpplague> Crofton: TCT has setup a number of small distributors to handle that kind of stuff
  • [19:26:21] <prpplague> Crofton: http://www.robotcraft.ca/webshop/ in canada basically does all of the canadian sales
  • [19:26:28] <prpplague> Crofton: much easier for them
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  • [19:27:12] <Crofton> cool
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  • [19:27:28] <jhonnyboy> hello all
  • [19:28:18] <jhonnyboy> new to beagleboards and robotics in general but I'm looking into purchasing a beagle board due to it's powerful sbc. I need something to process video and deliver it back to my machine via wifi
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  • [19:28:26] <jhonnyboy> seems like the beagle can do it
  • [19:29:33] <djlewis> depends on how you define "process video"
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  • [19:31:00] <jhonnyboy> send the feed back to a computer wirelessly
  • [19:31:05] <jhonnyboy> robot will have the webcam
  • [19:31:12] <jhonnyboy> i want to see it and drive it via wifi
  • [19:31:54] <djlewis> with a usb webcam you might get by with a small window unless you dont run a gui on the BB then perhaps a 640x480
  • [19:32:13] <jhonnyboy> yeah that works, i don't need anything big
  • [19:32:20] <jhonnyboy> would it be possible to do 2 of them?
  • [19:32:52] <djlewis> maybe
  • [19:33:04] <djlewis> there are usb bandwidth issues on BB's
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  • [19:35:37] <prpplague> Crofton: we also use http://www.watterott-electronic.com/ for .eu
  • [19:36:17] <djlewis> jhonnyboy: another good video robot platform is http://www.surveyor.com/
  • [19:36:40] <djlewis> get the cams and controller and use your own chassis
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  • [19:43:13] <kapu_> prpplague: do you have bone's available?
  • [19:43:28] <kapu_> I managed to get visa credit balanced to make some orders
  • [19:43:47] <kapu_> Now I'm looking for where to buy without waiting for century board to arrive :)
  • [19:43:49] <prpplague> kapu_: only chicken bones and maybe some turkey
  • [19:44:01] <kapu_> prpplague: you can make good soup of those
  • [19:44:20] <kapu_> at least my wife could...
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  • [19:52:52] <djlewis> umm, bone soup
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  • [19:53:45] <mranostay> djlewis: er?
  • [19:54:02] <djlewis> mranostay: discussion above
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  • [21:59:02] <djlewis> Quick, say something intelligent!
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  • [22:04:50] <mranostay> djlewis: why?! :)
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  • [22:05:54] <emeb> something intelligent
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  • [22:19:50] <djlewis> ooh.. yuch... a client just brought a laptop in with kiddie juice drink all in it..
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  • [22:23:49] <ds2> djlewis: but is it a panasonic toughbook?
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  • [22:24:00] <mranostay> djlewis: what do you do again?
  • [22:24:14] <mranostay> i don't think i've seen a toughbook
  • [22:26:03] <EasyAt> Suck the juice out
  • [22:26:56] <djlewis> mranostay: job title = and other tasks as deemed necessary
  • [22:27:23] <prpplague> djlewis: i once had a customer bring in a 5.25" floppy drive that wasn't working, after disassembly i discovered the mummified remains of a hamster lodged in the main drive area......
  • [22:28:22] <djlewis> Oh, one of those that has a wide door flap...
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  • [22:53:54] <mranostay> prpplague: his hampster i hope?
  • [22:54:02] <mranostay> *hamster
  • [22:54:03] <prpplague> mranostay: his daughters
  • [22:54:15] <mranostay> it didn't have a rotting smell?
  • [22:54:21] <ds2> could be worse - 8" drive with a rat ;)
  • [22:54:22] <ka6sox> mranostay, any chance you will be @ SCaLE?
  • [22:54:42] <prpplague> mranostay: no, it had been in there for some time
  • [22:54:45] <ds2> ka6sox: need volunteers for scale?
  • [22:55:06] <ka6sox> ds2, yup.
  • [22:55:22] <ds2> ka6sox: what kind of jobs?
  • [22:55:41] <ds2> might be willing to head south for a weekend
  • [22:55:45] <ka6sox> many different...I have the A/V job (a thankless one)
  • [22:56:06] <ds2> got a list?
  • [22:56:22] <ka6sox> somewhere...let me look and i'll pm.
  • [22:56:29] <ds2> 'k
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  • [23:00:14] <mranostay> nope..
  • [23:00:29] <mranostay> pgp keysigning party seems interesting though :)
  • [23:02:42] <prpplague> calculus: you headed to SCaLE right?
  • [23:05:04] <djlewis> the mainbd and spkrs were spared the spill, but the kybd and pad might be gonners.
  • [23:05:34] <calculus> prpplague: I am, but last I asked jkridner and jayabharath, they did not seem interested in a booth
  • [23:05:50] <prpplague> calculus: oh, let me check in on that
  • [23:07:51] <calculus> just re-reading jay's email, he offered a promo kit and some boards to give away
  • [23:08:21] <calculus> but "no explicit plans" were his words
  • [23:08:43] <ds2> SCaLe got scaled backed?
  • [23:09:17] <mranostay> ds2: i see what you did there :)
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  • [23:49:20] <djlewis> later . . .
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