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  • [01:24:46] <radarping> ping
  • [01:25:34] <radarping> anyone have any experiance with "TI Android GingerBread 2.3 DevKit 2.0??
  • [01:25:46] <ds2> sure, it works as advertised.
  • [01:26:54] <radarping> thanks ds2. it talks in the readme that i have to have ubuntu linux machine 8.04 or above.
  • [01:27:31] <ds2> it isn't critical but might make it easier
  • [01:27:50] <ds2> 2.0 is the 2.6.37 one, isn't it?
  • [01:27:58] <radarping> can I just put the files on the SD like I did with angstrom.
  • [01:28:31] <ds2> yep
  • [01:28:38] <radarping> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI_Android_GingerBread_2.3_DevKit_2.0_UserGuide
  • [01:28:59] <ds2> there has been 2 releases at least. one is with a 2.6.35 kernel. the other has 2.6.37
  • [01:29:31] <radarping> OK, I will play around, see what i can get.
  • [01:36:54] <ds2> IIRC, the newer one seem to have a buggy SGX driver
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  • [01:41:10] <radarping> Still figuring out what to do...
  • [01:42:45] <radarping> Its almost as much fun as my Xilinx fpga board...
  • [01:43:14] <radarping> The spartain 3e
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  • [02:08:08] <emeb_mac> radarping: how 'bout both: http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/embedded/bfpga2/index.html
  • [02:10:41] <prpplague> i see wire.....
  • [02:14:50] <emeb_mac> prpplague: prototype - fixed in rev 0.1
  • [02:15:03] <prpplague> emeb_mac: hehe, just joking with you....
  • [02:15:09] <prpplague> emeb_mac: looks pretty dandy
  • [02:15:34] <emeb_mac> prpplague: hope so. Clint has the design & should be building a few.
  • [02:15:43] <prpplague> emeb_mac: ahh cool
  • [02:15:51] <prpplague> emeb_mac: he going to market it?
  • [02:16:00] <emeb_mac> prpplague: that's the plan
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  • [02:21:11] <prpplague> emeb_mac: dandy
  • [02:21:27] * prpplague will buy one
  • [02:22:03] <emeb_mac> muah ha hahhhh - a guinea pig...
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  • [02:31:51] <radarping> emeb_mac That looks like lots of fun
  • [02:32:19] <emeb_mac> radarping: it is, if you like mixing FPGA & OMAP
  • [02:32:36] <radarping> I recognize the blue wire from work...
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  • [02:33:06] <radarping> second time today someone has mentioned SDR
  • [02:34:21] <emeb_mac> blue wires are a sign of strength!
  • [02:35:43] <radarping> Least you know the pads are stuck well
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  • [02:36:13] <emeb_mac> heh - yeah. didn't have any peeling off when I reworked that board.
  • [02:36:38] <emeb_mac> I don't know where Clint get his boards fabbed, but they do good work.
  • [02:36:50] <radarping> so what do you do with your boards.
  • [02:37:03] <emeb_mac> So far - test 'em :)
  • [02:37:34] <radarping> Thats about as far as I get with my fpga board. Flashing the leds
  • [02:37:34] <emeb_mac> I've got some GPIO designs going - easy expansion.
  • [02:38:03] <radarping> But I can flash them _really_ fast.
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  • [02:38:41] <emeb_mac> I did a little HF TX DAC board: http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/embedded/bfpga2/index.html
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  • [02:40:10] <radarping> What mode was it AM or SSB
  • [02:40:42] <emeb_mac> That test is just CW
  • [02:40:45] <radarping> btw the question mark on this keyboard has cacked... Have to reboot the thing, it came unpluged.
  • [02:41:09] <radarping> its a start. Done any rx
  • [02:41:18] <emeb_mac> Modulation would require some more design work, and a way to send a realtime data stream.
  • [02:42:05] <emeb_mac> I've got an RX board built, but that needs some design time to make an FPGA load to talk to it.
  • [02:44:32] <radarping> what do you do for a day job??
  • [02:44:45] <radarping> .... you can see my question mark issue..
  • [02:45:15] <emeb_mac> I design SDR equipment. ;)
  • [02:45:19] <radarping> lol
  • [02:45:27] <radarping> who for
  • [02:45:45] <radarping> I work for Raytheon Canada
  • [02:45:46] <mru> radarping: have some of my spares: ???????
  • [02:45:57] <radarping> PCB design
  • [02:46:05] <emeb_mac> subcontract to a subcontract to GD
  • [02:46:13] <radarping> thanks mru
  • [02:46:26] <radarping> ?
  • [02:46:33] <radarping> cut and past ?
  • [02:46:37] <radarping> paste
  • [02:46:43] <mru> don't waste 'em
  • [02:46:51] <radarping> I wont
  • [02:47:09] <emeb_mac> if you copy & paste you won't run out.
  • [02:47:11] <radarping> even the ' is toast
  • [02:47:33] <mru> emeb_mac: yeah, copy not cut
  • [02:47:33] <radarping> ??????? ?????????????? now I have backup
  • [02:48:24] <radarping> GD as in Dynamics?
  • [02:49:36] <emeb_mac> that's it
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  • [02:50:40] <ds2> wonder how much simplier can a SDD be compared to a SDR (i.e. drop in block that takes 455KHz signals)
  • [02:50:58] <radarping> the big boys of SDR. Dont happen to have a prc-148 laying about that I could have do you??
  • [02:51:00] <radarping> ?
  • [02:51:17] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:51:39] <radarping> ...just asking
  • [02:51:50] <emeb_mac> radarping: I don't go near actual HW. It's all system engineering & VHDL
  • [02:51:52] <radarping> they say it never hurts to ask
  • [02:52:01] <prpplague> radarping: indeed
  • [02:52:27] <prpplague> radarping: you can pick up a prc-148 surplus fairly cheap
  • [02:52:33] <radarping> there was one on ebay a month or two ago. That I am sure will cause a shit storm
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  • [02:53:01] <radarping> it had the nsa chip in it
  • [02:53:23] <radarping> shit, now I just said nsa online again.
  • [02:54:23] <radarping> cheep as in Tild 8,000 dollars?
  • [02:54:59] <radarping> I??ve lost all my none letter keys
  • [02:55:01] * prpplague has a prc-77
  • [02:55:08] <radarping> I have one two
  • [02:55:13] <radarping> right next to me
  • [02:55:16] <prpplague> radarping: ahh
  • [02:55:25] <radarping> took a long time to get the A40 module
  • [02:55:26] <prpplague> radarping: commo?
  • [02:55:40] <radarping> mil you mean? yep
  • [02:56:00] <prpplague> radarping: no i mean were you in signal corp ?
  • [02:56:17] <radarping> ah. no. Im a ham VA3SU.
  • [02:56:45] <prpplague> radarping: ahh
  • [02:56:47] <radarping> who likes mil gear. I was a weapon tech in the weekend warriers.
  • [02:56:59] <prpplague> radarping: ahh ok
  • [02:59:10] <radarping> I also have a prc47 and a prc74
  • [02:59:22] <radarping> prc-68
  • [02:59:36] <prpplague> nice
  • [02:59:37] <radarping> and a really really nice TRC-77
  • [02:59:47] <prpplague> radarping: where you pick them all up? ebay?
  • [02:59:56] <radarping> yes.
  • [03:00:13] <prpplague> cdool
  • [03:00:23] <radarping> were you mil commo?
  • [03:00:29] <prpplague> yea
  • [03:00:53] <radarping> the prc-74 came from Iraq
  • [03:01:04] <radarping> the first time around
  • [03:02:12] <prpplague> dandy
  • [03:02:37] * emeb_mac senses gearlust
  • [03:02:42] <radarping> what os flavor do you use on the bb?
  • [03:02:57] <radarping> toys are fun
  • [03:03:16] <emeb_mac> radarping: I've got a slightly customized version of Angstrom
  • [03:03:19] <ds2> cherry
  • [03:03:25] <radarping> I have some vietnam era chicom gear as well new out of the box.
  • [03:03:41] <prpplague> radarping: they have anyone refurbing the modules?
  • [03:04:04] <radarping> yes the prc-74 has the refirb label
  • [03:04:13] <prpplague> ahh interesting
  • [03:04:59] <radarping> E systems
  • [03:05:40] <radarping> I have some older prc-10s and 9s etc
  • [03:06:01] <radarping> ...im fond of radios
  • [03:06:20] <radarping> turns out you never can have too many.
  • [03:06:44] <radarping> what aps do you run on your bb??
  • [03:06:45] <radarping> ?
  • [03:06:48] * emeb_mac just has a bunch of SW & Ham gear
  • [03:07:02] <radarping> nothing wrong with that emeb
  • [03:07:14] <radarping> my main hf rig is an ic-7200
  • [03:07:31] <radarping> it has mil styling
  • [03:07:49] <emeb_mac> much of it does
  • [03:10:30] <radarping> LOL on boing boing there is a quote from some cop nazi that they have 2000, soon 3000 camers on nyc that can tell if someone drops off a package.
  • [03:10:51] <radarping> lol.now the cops can tell when someones mail gets delivered...
  • [03:11:47] <radarping> and shoot down a plane
  • [03:11:50] <radarping> they say
  • [03:12:08] <radarping> I think not. A cop BSing... nooo
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  • [03:15:24] <radarping> well. night all
  • [03:15:30] <emeb_mac> l8r
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  • [05:17:01] <hitlin37_> this Beagleboard Emulator emulate cpu at 600 MHz?
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  • [05:21:29] <devanand> hai friends, how to install gcc on Angstrom
  • [05:21:51] <devanand> opkg install ----(what to type)
  • [05:22:58] <devanand> please help
  • [05:24:27] <devanand> lan is connected
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  • [05:36:04] <_av500_> hitlin37_: what emulgator?
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  • [05:37:59] <emeb_mac> found in swamps - similar to a progadile
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  • [05:39:01] <hitlin37_> http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/09/26/beagleboard-emulator-in-ubuntu-with-qemu/
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  • [05:41:11] <thurbad> devanand: task-native-sdk
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  • [05:43:27] <hitlin37_> it says BogoMIPS : 81.39,so that's it
  • [05:45:44] <hitlin37_> it would be interesting to get it run at 600 Mha,i don't know how hard that would be...but it should b,consedering corei5-i7 laptops running ubuntu should spare 600 mhz to qemu
  • [05:47:26] <Russ> hitlin37_, ...
  • [05:47:37] <Russ> thats not *exactly* how emulation works....
  • [05:48:07] <Russ> I also think you may be confused on the BogoMIPS issue
  • [05:48:25] <hitlin37_> no,i know.its kust bogus
  • [05:48:44] <hitlin37_> but emulation i totally don't knwo
  • [05:49:25] <Russ> ok, so long as you know that bogomips and mhz aren't related 1 to 1
  • [05:49:26] <devanand> @thurbad: task-native-sdk ends in error
  • [05:49:59] <devanand> 404 error
  • [05:50:14] <Russ> emulation is hard because it can not only take many cycles to do one instruction, but the register file doesn't line up, so you end up doing memory accesses
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  • [05:50:35] <thurbad> did you run opkg update first (not upgrade)
  • [05:51:08] <devanand> sorry I forgot that
  • [05:51:08] <hitlin37_> hmmmm......
  • [05:53:38] <hitlin37_> so ,do we have now this emulator as useful as real BB ,in terms of processing power or it will again be super slow(i once ran a debian image in qemu on corei5-ubuntu,and it was terrible)
  • [05:54:30] <emeb_mac> considering that the instructions suggest waiting minutes for simple things to complete, I suspect it's a bit slow...
  • [05:55:05] <Russ> hitlin37_, are you running x86_64 or i386?
  • [05:55:24] <hitlin37_> i386
  • [05:55:25] <_av500_> hitlin37_: of course it is slow
  • [05:55:32] <_av500_> in needs to "emulate"
  • [05:55:35] <_av500_> it
  • [05:55:38] <Russ> you might have a little better luck with x86_64 as it has more registers
  • [05:55:53] <_av500_> each arm intruction takes several x86 ones
  • [05:56:07] <Russ> arm is lousy with registers, i386 is stint
  • [05:57:54] <hitlin37_> hmm.....than this emulator has little usage....
  • [05:58:31] <hitlin37_> except that it says it can emulate neon(android emulator runs armv5)
  • [05:58:44] <_av500_> its not useless
  • [05:58:55] <_av500_> just dont run a full os
  • [05:59:03] <_av500_> just run the code you need to run
  • [05:59:11] <_av500_> like your leet neon code
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  • [06:08:51] <devanand> how to install opencv libraries to this compiler now
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  • [06:19:36] <tasslehoff> I'm trying to add a machine to the kernel. I've added an entry to mach-types, but what makes a board show up in "*** OMAP Board Type ***" in menuconfig?
  • [06:22:11] <thurbad> need to modify a kconfig file if I recall
  • [06:23:23] <thurbad> don't have kernel source on this machine at the moment though
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  • [06:23:51] <Russ> no jumping on the device tree bandwagon today?
  • [06:27:50] <tasslehoff> thurbad: thanks. arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig looks like the place to be
  • [06:28:51] <thurbad> you'll need to modify a makefile as well in that same directory
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  • [06:29:02] <thurbad> to actually get it to build
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  • [06:32:39] <tasslehoff> thurbad: yep, had that already. the Kconfig was (hopefully) the last piece of the puzzle
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  • [06:35:16] <_av500_> Russ: isnt that so 2010 now that we have uefi?
  • [06:35:40] <Russ> oh right, we are running all our smart phones on atom now
  • [06:35:48] <Russ> I've been in a cave
  • [06:36:08] <Russ> currently trapped under a large pile of pyparsing
  • [06:36:14] <devanand> how to install opencv libraries to this compiler now
  • [06:36:14] <_av500_> wait till M$ forces each SOC to implement mandatory secure boot
  • [06:36:57] <dm8tbr> TI will be delighte to sell everyone 1M quantities of their HS SoCs?
  • [06:37:08] <Russ> like I said, those poor movie studios are losing money hand over fist on high distribution costs
  • [06:37:35] <Russ> if we could only stop the piracy
  • [06:37:45] <Russ> won't you think of the children?
  • [06:37:49] <_av500_> of the caribean?
  • [06:38:54] <Russ> something like that
  • [06:39:05] * dm8tbr votes in favor of stopping that horrible movie series
  • [06:39:50] <_av500_> wait for the 3 part prequel
  • [06:40:11] <_av500_> and the ewoks of the caribean spinoff
  • [06:40:12] <dm8tbr> and the comic series about the link between both
  • [06:41:04] <dm8tbr> 'life in davy jones locker'
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  • [06:43:31] <_av500_> and the pirates of the caribou for em canadians
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  • [07:44:50] <NotTooDumb3> getting these errors, while bulding angstrom, http://pastebin.com/C9MGEwXM any help?
  • [07:47:40] <NotTooDumb3> http://pastebin.com/WgZqWjy4
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  • [08:04:02] <NotTooDumb3> while building angstrom from link, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom when does tmp directory get created? I followed this link and ran steps 1 and 2 and ran MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel -c compile -f -D and later found that in setup-scripts, oebb.sh sources are there and in sources directory two empty folders bitbake and openembedded are there.
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  • [08:52:40] <doublebeta> re emulators, emulators aren't designed for using as your workstation -.-"
  • [08:52:46] <doublebeta> They're for testing code.
  • [08:52:54] <av500> or to play old games
  • [08:53:27] <doublebeta> A working one would be awesome right now, so I can test this code. TBh I haven't tried hard, but I can't get qemu-arm-beagle to start (segfault lol)
  • [08:53:33] <doublebeta> (I need gcc 3.x)
  • [08:53:47] <doublebeta> av500: that too :). I meant, in context of QEMU etc
  • [08:54:03] <doublebeta> to be fair QEMU is useful for DOS games, etc. But Dosbox would be better for that.
  • [08:54:11] <av500> I tried qemu some 1.5ys ago, but back then it barfed on neon, so it was useless
  • [08:57:15] <NotTooDumb3> does followoing this link work now? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [08:58:43] <av500> it worked for me
  • [08:59:04] <tasslehoff> and for me (both the link and what the page says)
  • [08:59:10] <doublebeta> gtg, food etc.
  • [08:59:52] <NotTooDumb3> i also used it before, but now not getting any kernel source
  • [08:59:55] <av500> but is it funny: ERROR: Function 'sysroot_stage_all' failed (see /dev/null for further information)
  • [09:00:07] <av500> time to stare hard at /dev/null
  • [09:05:30] <NotTooDumb3> that error i got when i ran MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel, after that i tried to run MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel -c compile -f -D no errors, but no tmp directory at all.. do you find any errors in this? http://pastebin.com/YaxpbNKY
  • [09:06:06] <av500> NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 363 tasks of which 362 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed.
  • [09:06:12] <av500> 0 failed sounds good
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  • [09:07:35] <NotTooDumb3> but nothing got downloaded..and directories are empty..
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  • [09:09:51] <NotTooDumb3> does it make any difference if i run it as root?
  • [09:10:19] <av500> I dont know, I did not
  • [09:10:27] <tasslehoff> shouldn't have to
  • [09:10:33] <hitlin37_> what root has got to do with it?
  • [09:11:19] <NotTooDumb3> yes it should not make a difference..
  • [09:12:42] <av500> hitlin37_: root always help
  • [09:14:04] <NotTooDumb3> nice output for me: Do not use Bitbake as root. ERROR: Command execution failed: Exited with 1
  • [09:14:45] <doublebeta> bitbake just creates an image doesn't it? should never need root :\
  • [09:15:06] <doublebeta> I hate it when people teach 'if it doubt, run as root'
  • [09:15:12] <doublebeta> it's hardly ever necessary.
  • [09:15:19] <NotTooDumb3> http://pastebin.com/AY1tLDQf
  • [09:16:06] <NotTooDumb3> doublebeta, that may be because, some things start working when run as root
  • [09:16:51] <doublebeta> yeah but it's the wrong way to do things. Often it's caused by other things. Like the serial port, it's way easier in the long run, and a better idea, to just add yourself to the 'dialout' group.
  • [09:17:04] <av500> doublebeta: but I never dial anything out
  • [09:17:10] <doublebeta> (and chmod the serial port to 'dialout' if necessary)
  • [09:17:15] <av500> and it should be the "uucp" group
  • [09:17:18] <doublebeta> av500: Do you talk to your beagleboard? You dial out.
  • [09:17:25] <av500> I dont dial anything
  • [09:17:28] <doublebeta> uucp eh? Hm, are you on debian?
  • [09:17:32] <av500> no
  • [09:17:39] <doublebeta> ubuntu?
  • [09:17:39] <av500> on coffee
  • [09:17:43] <doublebeta> sigh
  • [09:17:45] <hitlin37_> http://xkcd.com/149/
  • [09:17:51] <doublebeta> What operating system do you run?
  • [09:17:54] <av500> linux
  • [09:18:30] <doublebeta> av500: GNU/Linux, if anything. Linux'd just sit there doing fuck all without GNU. Since we're playing the smartass game.
  • [09:18:52] <doublebeta> Mm, indeed xkcd is responsible for a lot of root-screwups.
  • [09:20:07] <NotTooDumb3> i am running fedora 12, if anyone else have got this angstrom build problem on F12
  • [09:22:28] <doublebeta> http://pastebin.com/eVncEumL
  • [09:24:34] <doublebeta> does anyone uucp anymore? People do still dialout.
  • [09:24:58] <NotTooDumb3> what is dialout infact?
  • [09:25:02] <av500> NotTooDumb3: modem
  • [09:25:06] <av500> dialup
  • [09:25:09] <av500> 56k
  • [09:25:14] <doublebeta> to 'dial out' is to connect to another computer via a modem
  • [09:25:33] <doublebeta> lol. 56k? 300 baud.
  • [09:26:29] <NotTooDumb3> we see console for beagle board on /dev/ttyS0? is that like we are using dial out?
  • [09:26:38] <doublebeta> yes
  • [09:27:05] <doublebeta> Except there's no modem involved. But you can pretend there is :)
  • [09:27:36] <doublebeta> Pretend the beagleboard is a huge mainframe computer you can only dream of as an early 90s teen and that logging in as root by just typing 'root' was a hard thing :D.
  • [09:27:47] <NotTooDumb3> no modem involved? we give ttyS2 in bootargs right? what is that for? and why not S0 1 or 3?
  • [09:28:04] <doublebeta> because UART3 is what's connected to the port
  • [09:28:19] <doublebeta> UART1 = S0, 2 = S1, 3 = S2
  • [09:28:56] <doublebeta> It's rather silly. Connecting UART1 or 2 would be better, for then we could use UART3 for IrDA.
  • [09:29:19] <NotTooDumb3> so dial out is done when we login as root? kernel unpacking messages how are we seeing, before root log in?
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  • [09:29:33] <av500> no
  • [09:29:41] <doublebeta> dial out is done when you use minicom or screen to connect to the beagleboard
  • [09:29:45] <av500> dialup is to use the serial port to connect to a modem and to dial a number
  • [09:30:00] <av500> ATDT 0800BEAGLE
  • [09:30:02] <doublebeta> 'minicom -d /dev/ttyS0 -b 115200' <-- dialout 'screen /dev/ttyS0 115200' <-- also
  • [09:30:51] <doublebeta> My modem has no dialer :<. No atdt for db. You have to dial a number with your phone first, then switch the phone line over.
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  • [09:31:24] <doublebeta> don't worry too much, you don't 'need' to know. But it's good to know things. A curiosity, an interesting thing.
  • [09:33:43] <NotTooDumb3> ya how these get connected used to appear as secret for me, now got some idea about it..thank you
  • [09:34:00] <NotTooDumb3> are /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/USB0 same?
  • [09:34:14] <doublebeta> Depends on what you mean
  • [09:34:26] <doublebeta> They do the same thing
  • [09:34:37] <doublebeta> data goes from A to B over UART.
  • [09:34:54] <doublebeta> How serial works is the LEAST secret thing in the beagleboard :)
  • [09:35:07] <NotTooDumb3> in minicom i give /dev/ttyUSB0 and in boot args i give ttyS2, are they still same?
  • [09:35:13] <doublebeta> No.
  • [09:35:29] <NotTooDumb3> ok.
  • [09:35:45] <doublebeta> I assume you're using a USB->RS-232 device on your workstation/PC?
  • [09:36:18] <NotTooDumb3> yes
  • [09:36:50] <NotTooDumb3> why do i give /dev/ttyUSB0 in minicom settings and in boot args i give ttyS2 in boot args?
  • [09:37:07] <doublebeta> Because the beagleboard doesn't know anything about your device
  • [09:37:19] <doublebeta> All it cares about is the UART-connection it recieves
  • [09:37:50] <NotTooDumb3> beagleboard doesn't know anything about your device? is that device, about UART on my pc?
  • [09:37:52] <doublebeta> The beagleboard has a serial port inside it, whereas your PC doesn't and so you use a USB->serial connector.
  • [09:38:07] <doublebeta> Yes. The beagle doesn't know or care that you use a USB device
  • [09:38:08] <NotTooDumb3> yes
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  • [09:38:50] <NotTooDumb3> ok i give USB0 because my pc does not have serial..and what for S2 in boot args?
  • [09:38:57] <doublebeta> In fact it doesn't even know you're connected at all until you send something to it. The UART hardware itself might, but afaik software never knows
  • [09:39:07] <doublebeta> NotTooDumb3: S2 is a hardware serial port on the beagleboard
  • [09:39:16] <doublebeta> Your PC doesn't know/care that the beagleboard uses S2
  • [09:39:52] <doublebeta> It's like you don't know my name is Tom Jones, and I don't know your name is Fred Brown - I'm doublebeta and you're NotTooDumb3.
  • [09:40:06] <doublebeta> btw, that's not my real name :P.
  • [09:40:17] <NotTooDumb3> when i boot beagle board with SD card, i do not think i send anything from board to host PC. correct?
  • [09:40:57] <doublebeta> That depends, does the program on the SD card tell the beagle to send things?
  • [09:41:08] <doublebeta> I believe the bootloader sends data.
  • [09:41:23] <doublebeta> 'Welcome to TI X-Loader' or whatever
  • [09:42:24] <NotTooDumb3> yes i am understanding, all print messages i see like kernel unpacking etc., come from S2 of beagle to USB0 on pc and get displayed in minicom
  • [09:42:35] <doublebeta> yep
  • [09:43:22] <NotTooDumb3> thank you..and how is RS486 or something i heard is different from RS232?
  • [09:43:31] <av500> NotTooDumb3: there is also google
  • [09:43:53] <doublebeta> av500: Harsh. This stuff would be hard to ask google.
  • [09:44:01] <av500> what?
  • [09:44:16] <doublebeta> NotTooDumb3: iirc it just uses different voltages.
  • [09:44:28] <NotTooDumb3> ok thank you
  • [09:44:39] <av500> http://www.google.com/search?q=difference+betwen+rs232+and+rs485
  • [09:44:39] <doublebeta> RS-232 uses -15 for a space, and +15 for a mark... iirc. Probably completely wrong
  • [09:44:47] <doublebeta> av500: oh that.
  • [09:46:27] <NotTooDumb3> av500, I did not infact remember that as RS485, that was long time ago. i heard other serials are also used, other than RS232 i mean..
  • [09:47:16] <av500> doublebeta: in fact RS232 is +/-5V to +/-15V
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  • [09:48:23] <av500> djlewis: did you have a writeup somewhere about the magic opkg incantation to get all the needed openCVtulu stuff?
  • [09:50:15] <djlewis> av500: gm, yes but it may be out of date
  • [09:50:59] <djlewis> last several times I installed from opkg without issues
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  • [09:51:06] <av500> djlewis: ok
  • [09:51:09] <av500> where is it?
  • [09:51:34] <djlewis> hmmm
  • [09:51:43] <NotTooDumb3> does any one here run Angstrom on Fedora 12? i tried few times till now, and sources are not getting downloaded while following Build Angstrom link
  • [09:52:08] <av500> what sources?
  • [09:52:38] <djlewis> av500: my first writeup was cause opencv in opkg was too old so I built the latest at the time
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  • [09:53:49] <djlewis> that was during 2.6.28, 2.6.29
  • [09:53:54] <NotTooDumb3> doublebeta, thank you.
  • [09:54:22] <doublebeta> no problem :)
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  • [09:56:07] <djlewis> av500: here are come of my ramblings: http://markmail.org/message/n5wfsn5clxzuk7mq
  • [09:57:01] <djlewis> av500: i believe the first is the latest.
  • [09:57:15] <av500> ok
  • [10:03:24] <NotTooDumb3> is there any document to compile mplayer from source, for beagle board?
  • [10:05:11] <av500> unlikely
  • [10:05:21] <av500> but I guess there is a recipe in oe/angstrom
  • [10:06:42] <NotTooDumb3> oh..ok. i do not have OE now..
  • [10:06:54] <av500> there is a buildroot makefile too: http://git.buildroot.net/buildroot/tree/package/multimedia/mplayer/mplayer.mk
  • [10:07:01] <av500> you could use that as a template
  • [10:07:10] <av500> of course its buildroot specific
  • [10:08:10] <NotTooDumb3> ok
  • [10:08:33] <av500> before you build mplayer, you need of course to build the dependencies
  • [10:08:37] <av500> like libav
  • [10:08:40] <av500> alsa
  • [10:09:18] <av500> but thats what oe/angstrom is for
  • [10:09:27] <av500> or buildroot
  • [10:10:10] <NotTooDumb3> ok
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  • [10:10:53] <NotTooDumb3> mplayer running with demo image, is that part of kernel or file system?
  • [10:11:24] <av500> user space
  • [10:11:44] <NotTooDumb3> means, comes with file system?
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  • [10:33:13] <koen> good morning all
  • [10:33:23] <av500> gm
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  • [10:48:41] <NotTooDumb3> is there any doc with steps to follow to get internet on beagle?
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  • [10:51:59] <av500> the whole internet?
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  • [10:54:14] <doublebeta> That'd require one bitchin' SD card.
  • [10:54:28] <doublebeta> But seriously: do you have ethernet plugged in?
  • [10:54:47] <doublebeta> 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0' and see if that hooks you up.
  • [10:55:24] <NotTooDumb3> no i do not USB to ethernet wire, yet to buy, but before that wanted to know if configuring beagle for internt is easy or not
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  • [11:39:44] <NotTooDumb3> running MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake base-image is giving me this errors, http://pastebin.com/SrX44LWa any idea?
  • [11:43:36] <av500> line 423
  • [11:45:02] <NotTooDumb3> how can i change it's permissions? and running as root is not allowed
  • [11:46:19] <av500> find out why it fails
  • [11:48:40] <NotTooDumb3> do not know how to start finding out problem or debugging this
  • [11:48:52] <av500> maybe look at the permissions?
  • [11:50:00] <NotTooDumb3> the line it's complaining at 423, that file does not exist it says..
  • [11:50:29] <NotTooDumb3> it does exist..sorry
  • [11:51:03] <NotTooDumb3> -rwxrwxrwx any problem with these permissions?
  • [11:55:06] <koen> are you building on a FAT partition?
  • [11:56:12] <av500> koen: saves you from pesky sudo all the time :)
  • [11:58:22] <koen> sude make me a sandwhich!
  • [11:58:58] <NotTooDumb3> no, it is on ext3
  • [12:00:49] <NotTooDumb3> does no space can cause this kind of problem? need to check that
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  • [12:01:49] <tasslehoff> koen: compiling angstrom in oe-core, should the angstrom mirrors take care of most/all problems with kernel.org being down?
  • [12:02:09] <koen> sadly not
  • [12:02:24] <koen> there are some issues with the oe-core git mirroring code
  • [12:03:20] <NotTooDumb3> koen, does that mean i can not build angstrom from source now? following http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom?
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  • [12:05:08] <ka6sox> koen, is this mirroring issue something I should know about?
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  • [12:44:45] <koen> ka6sox: it's being discussed on the oe-core list
  • [12:47:42] <tasslehoff> koen: is there a task-proper-tools variant hidden in oe-core as well, or is it just gone?
  • [12:48:25] <koen> iirc it hasn't been ported over yet
  • [12:48:40] <koen> and I also suspect it would need to live in meta-oe since oe-core lacks some utils
  • [12:49:23] <tasslehoff> is it too early for The Common Man to move to oe-core?
  • [12:49:50] <koen> tasslehoff: hard to say, it's close
  • [12:50:06] <Crofton|work> should be ok, as long as you do not build recipes that fetch from kernel.org :)
  • [12:50:30] <av500> was kernel.org root access also sold for 3k?
  • [12:50:45] <av500> or can be blame anonymous for it?
  • [12:50:50] <av500> we
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  • [12:51:50] <tasslehoff> Crofton|work: I have convinced most of them to look other places :)
  • [12:55:52] <doublebeta> Off the shelf 'exploit' -> Yep it was Anonymous.
  • [12:55:56] <av500> tasslehoff: there is always /dev/urandom
  • [12:56:29] <doublebeta> Woo. Just finished my x86 experimental worm. http://paste2.org/p/1674770
  • [12:56:35] <av500> but since anonymous is now in jail, we are safe....
  • [12:56:56] <doublebeta> you do know it's not just one person right?
  • [12:57:16] <doublebeta> It's a whole lot of script kiddie wannabes.
  • [12:57:29] <tasslehoff> av500: yep. if one must look in /dev/null for logs, one might as well use /dev/random for sources
  • [12:58:15] <av500> tasslehoff: /dev/urandom outputs valid perl code....
  • [12:58:26] <tasslehoff> :D
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  • [13:18:02] <tasslehoff> koen: have you got a working mirror/alternative for cpufrequtils?
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  • [13:25:01] <av500> koen: heard of: http://www.missinglinkelectronics.com ?
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  • [15:34:02] <rect> hi anyone there
  • [15:34:15] <rect> i just bought BB xm
  • [15:34:23] <rect> i dont have a display
  • [15:34:48] <rect> just installed ubuntu natty in sd card and booted in BB
  • [15:35:17] <rect> thought of doing VNC but ifconfig in mincom shows no ethernet or serial port
  • [15:35:23] <rect> what is the prob
  • [15:35:55] <rect> this is the output of ifconfig in minicom ifconfig lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
  • [15:36:48] <rect> anyone
  • [15:37:14] <dm8tbr> try ifconfig -a instead?
  • [15:37:22] <dm8tbr> and please consider pastebin
  • [15:37:26] <prpplague> rect: please don't paste here, please use something like pastebin.com for anything more than one line
  • [15:37:44] <rect> okie
  • [15:37:56] <_av500_> prpplague: what would you do to isolate a 1.8V uart
  • [15:38:04] <_av500_> as in optocoupling or so
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  • [15:38:21] <prpplague> _av500_: depends on how much isolation you actually need
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  • [15:38:44] <_av500_> i lose usb2serial constanly when plugging e.g. dc-in to the units
  • [15:38:53] <_av500_> totally hangs the ftdi
  • [15:38:58] <rect> dm8tbr:it shows now :) how to do vnc..my lap also has ubuntu 11.4
  • [15:38:59] <_av500_> and the minicom
  • [15:39:09] <_av500_> i have to unplug the ftdi
  • [15:39:17] <_av500_> and linux loses another ttyUSBx
  • [15:39:22] <_av500_> im at 23 now
  • [15:39:31] <a1cypher> so I am the proud new user of a freshly minted beagleboard xm. When I try and boot from the included microsd card I get a kernel panic. any ideas ?
  • [15:39:34] <prpplague> _av500_: yea that is common with the ftdi when using TTL
  • [15:39:48] <_av500_> so i need a remedy
  • [15:40:03] <thurbad> a1cypher: how are you powering it?
  • [15:40:04] <amar> Hi all..irrespective of in any path i try to download Angstrom source code, and build, is it like source gets downloaded in home directory also?
  • [15:40:04] <prpplague> _av500_: i normally use a TXS0102 with lots of bypass caps
  • [15:40:08] <dm8tbr> _av500_: I had such stuff with my X31 stinkpad, but not with the T62p stinkpad, same usb-uart board ;)
  • [15:40:13] <a1cypher> powering it through usb otg
  • [15:40:22] <prpplague> _av500_: 0.1 , 1 and 10 uF on each power rail side
  • [15:40:32] <rect> dm8tbr: ??
  • [15:40:43] <_av500_> prpplague: so ftdi then 0102?
  • [15:40:48] <thurbad> a1cypher: use a barrel connector if possible
  • [15:40:49] <_av500_> right 0102 is level shift only
  • [15:40:50] <prpplague> _av500_: yea
  • [15:40:57] <a1cypher> =(
  • [15:41:06] <_av500_> and they are bga?
  • [15:41:12] <dm8tbr> rect: it probably doesn't have an IP address, besides you'd be better off in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-arm
  • [15:41:20] <prpplague> _av500_: you can get it in microbga if you want
  • [15:41:23] <a1cypher> Is it likely a power problem you think? I dont have a 5V adapter with barrel
  • [15:41:39] <_av500_> prpplague: i prefer not too
  • [15:41:47] <prpplague> _av500_: right
  • [15:41:49] <prpplague> one sec
  • [15:42:02] <_av500_> im on 2g, so please no tiff files
  • [15:42:10] <prpplague> _av500_: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=296-21931-1-ND
  • [15:42:12] <thurbad> powering through otg has been a common problem with kernels >= 2.6.32
  • [15:42:15] <a1cypher> I have a 7.5V adapter for an FPGA kit that fits the same connector.. but I'm not sure if that is safe. I somehow dont think so
  • [15:42:16] <rect> dm8tbr: sorry i dont get i am newbie
  • [15:42:36] <thurbad> no, don't use anything but 5V
  • [15:42:40] <a1cypher> ok..
  • [15:42:52] <amar> thurbad, why?
  • [15:43:00] <thurbad> amps can vary a bit, but not the volts
  • [15:43:20] <_av500_> thurbad: is 5V 1000A ok?
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  • [15:43:28] <amar> oh..ok. again why is it like that?
  • [15:43:30] <a1cypher> amps are drawn not pushed.
  • [15:43:41] <a1cypher> so anything with more than the power requirements of the beagle would be fine I would imagine
  • [15:43:55] <thurbad> _av500_: talking to a1cypher about powering the beagle
  • [15:44:02] <_av500_> there is a voltage flow of 5 ohm
  • [15:44:40] <a1cypher> so is there a specific reason why it wont boot from usb power? What if I modify a cable so that its only power and no data?
  • [15:44:49] <_av500_> prpplague: and for real isolation?
  • [15:44:49] <rect> dm8tbr: sorry i dont get i am newbie
  • [15:45:01] <_av500_> alancam_: get a 5v power supply
  • [15:45:05] <thurbad> a1cypher flaky otg driver I believe
  • [15:45:24] <rect> how to do vnc??laptop ubuntu and BB running ubuntu
  • [15:45:27] <a1cypher> well that kinda sucks.
  • [15:45:29] <_av500_> much simpler
  • [15:46:39] <prpplague> _av500_: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/784
  • [15:46:46] <prpplague> _av500_: good optoisolator
  • [15:46:54] <prpplague> _av500_: specially for prototyping
  • [15:48:14] <_av500_> it does 1.8v?
  • [15:48:16] <prpplague> _av500_: the other issue might be your ground plane, if they aren't isolated with some ferrite beads you can get some issues due to that as well
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  • [15:49:00] <rect> prpplague:
  • [15:49:02] <_av500_> hmm
  • [15:49:10] <NotTooDumb3> Hi all..irrespective of in any path i try to download Angstrom source code, and build, is it like source gets downloaded in home directory also?
  • [15:49:26] <_av500_> no
  • [15:49:40] <prpplague> _av500_: yea you can run it at 1.8v with no issues
  • [15:49:51] <thurbad> dpends on where you issue the initial git command from
  • [15:50:09] <NotTooDumb3> i completely had removed angstrom from home dir and was download in some other path, but noticed that source was getting downloaded in home also..i did not know why
  • [15:50:32] <_av500_> ok
  • [15:51:21] <thurbad> your environment script probably wasn't changed
  • [15:51:32] <_av500_> prpplague: if i go the 0102 way, where do i get 1.8v from?
  • [15:52:00] <_av500_> i guess proving 3.3 to both sides defeats the prupose
  • [15:52:13] <prpplague> _av500_: well i assume since your ftdi device is interfacing at 1.8v already, there is most likely a 1.8V rail on your board
  • [15:52:19] <_av500_> no
  • [15:52:25] <_av500_> i have a 3.3v ftdi
  • [15:52:30] <_av500_> the ompas do not mind
  • [15:52:35] <_av500_> omaps neither
  • [15:53:07] <_av500_> hmm, or might just short the dc-in GND to usb gnd with a thick wire
  • [15:53:21] <prpplague> _av500_: hmm are you building up something new? or did i misunderstand, i thought you were already using it at 1.8v
  • [15:53:28] <_av500_> nah
  • [15:53:31] <_av500_> out of spec
  • [15:53:38] <_av500_> at 3.3 :)
  • [15:53:40] <prpplague> _av500_: ahh
  • [15:54:26] <_av500_> maybe i should get 5V from the PC as well .)
  • [15:54:50] <prpplague> _av500_: are you trying to use some stuff you already have, or do you want to order some parts?
  • [15:55:19] <_av500_> no idea
  • [15:55:20] <_av500_> i want this train to arrive
  • [15:55:29] <_av500_> its cooking me
  • [15:55:47] <NotTooDumb3> thurbad, do i need to change env script?
  • [15:56:01] <_av500_> 1st class seems to means more space to sweat
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  • [15:57:38] <thurbad> NotTooDumb3: if you want it to put the stuff in a new location, I believe so, or just nuke ~/.OE/environment.sh
  • [15:57:44] <NotTooDumb3> thurbad, which one is env script?
  • [15:58:25] <NotTooDumb3> ya i was getting some message like recommended to run ~/.OE/environment.sh and not to use bitbake wrapper
  • [15:58:40] <NotTooDumb3> what does nuke do?
  • [15:58:44] <prpplague> _av500_: one sec
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  • [15:59:17] <thurbad> NotTooDumb3: I just meant remove it, it's not an actual command
  • [15:59:30] <prpplague> _av500_: 1.8V levels and has some esd protection, you just need to solder up the end to match your interface - http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=768-1070-ND
  • [15:59:52] <NotTooDumb3> thurbad, does that get created again? i mean when i download?
  • [16:00:13] <prpplague> _av500_: tested and works well with omap3/omap4
  • [16:01:22] <thurbad> NotTooDumb3: it should get recreated if you call oebb.sh again and the environment script is missing
  • [16:03:25] <NotTooDumb3> ok..and is it possible that, i did not remove this env script and when i tried to download at non-home location, a lock file got locked in home directory and i was getting no permissions to that file error and download was ending up with that error
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  • [16:05:39] <NotTooDumb3> thurbad, did you get what i was facing?
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  • [16:06:18] <_av500_> prpplague: haha i have a bunch of them
  • [16:06:49] <_av500_> but i assumed theyd be as bad...
  • [16:07:40] <_av500_> ill try
  • [16:08:06] <thurbad> NotTooDumb3: what's the error?
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  • [16:29:03] <prpplague> _av500_: if the 1.8v ttl version?
  • [16:29:09] <prpplague> _av500_: of the 1.8v ttl version?
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  • [16:31:41] <_av500_> prpplague: yes
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  • [18:10:37] <_av500_> Russ: them arrived at my us relay point
  • [18:12:34] <mru> smuggling stuff again?
  • [18:13:42] <koen> still in memphis?
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  • [18:15:47] <_av500_> mru: yes, teo out of boston
  • [18:15:51] <_av500_> tea :)
  • [18:17:43] <Russ> who is them?
  • [18:19:23] <mru> his accomplices
  • [18:20:21] <_av500_> Russ: em 15Cs
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  • [18:57:38] <flyer-xplorer> Morning all! How would I go about modifiying the kernel build with open embedded? The configuration changes I make do not seem to stick, or even work (eg, items compiled in as modules do not show up in /lib/modules/<version>/kernel/drivers as expected
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  • [19:24:29] <flyer-xplorer> Morning all! How would I go about modifiying the kernel build with open embedded? The configuration changes I make do not seem to stick, or even work (eg, items compiled in as modules do not show up in /lib/modules/<version>/kernel/drivers as expected
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  • [19:28:27] <thurbad> can you pastebin the steps you're taking?
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  • [19:30:28] <flyer-xplorer> bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel (edit crap, save, exit); bitbake virtual/kernel
  • [19:30:58] <thurbad> what are you saving the defconfig as?
  • [19:31:02] <tasslehoff> flyer-xplorer: you have to manually copy the generated .config
  • [19:31:54] <flyer-xplorer> thurbad: that I am not sure. I am not sure what command bitbake is running to save the config, nor where the .config should be placed
  • [19:32:16] <thurbad> and rather than doing bitbake virtual kernel... use the 2 steps bitbake -f -c compile virtual/kernel; bitbak -c deploy virtual/kernel
  • [19:32:28] <tasslehoff> it will be in <path-to-workdir>/beagle<something>/linux<something>/git/.config after your menuconfig is done.
  • [19:32:30] <ds2> you can save it whereever you like
  • [19:33:09] <tasslehoff> I take that file and copy to beagleboard/defconfig in the kernel-recipe I'm using
  • [19:33:23] * tasslehoff hopes he is making sense
  • [19:33:44] <thurbad> the full bitbake virtual/kernel runs an rmwork scritpt at the end
  • [19:33:52] <ds2> Mmmm kernel recipes... making cream corn?
  • [19:34:25] <flyer-xplorer> thurbad: now THAT is one useful piece of information. let me try the 2 step process
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  • [19:35:00] <ds2> the FM and the logs do have things to say about it
  • [19:35:01] <thurbad> it should most of the compilation work if you need to change configurations later
  • [19:35:15] <ds2> prehaps you R it
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  • [19:36:31] <flyer-xplorer> tasslehoff: yes, that makes sense, but im not sure where the basedir for beagleboard/defconfig is located
  • [19:37:11] <tasslehoff> flyer-xplorer: recipes/kernel/linux/linux-omap-2.6.39/beagleboard/defconfig for me in "OE classic"
  • [19:37:39] <flyer-xplorer> ds2: FM? my logs dont show much of anything toehr than noise
  • [19:38:16] <ds2> the log shows where it is getting stuff from
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  • [19:41:03] <flyer-xplorer> how would I upgrade the kernel from 2.6.32 to something more recent like 2.6.39 or 3.0.1?
  • [19:42:58] <flyer-xplorer> sorry for the rather boring questions. my struggle is more with the build system configuration rather than something really technical.
  • [19:44:22] <ds2> have you considered asking in the channe; that deals with the specific manner at hand?
  • [19:44:42] <tasslehoff> flyer-xplorer: http://www.openembedded.org/index.php/Kernel_Building
  • [19:44:54] <tasslehoff> flyer-xplorer: yeah. come join us at #oe :)
  • [19:45:08] <tasslehoff> ah, you're there already
  • [19:45:43] <flyer-xplorer> lol ill pose the questions there. I followed that, but started with http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [19:46:14] <flyer-xplorer> so I am not sure if that is pure OE, or angstrom's take on OE
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  • [19:46:49] <tasslehoff> pure OE
  • [19:47:18] <tasslehoff> with added convenience :)
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  • [19:48:17] <flyer-xplorer> well, thats a good first step.
  • [19:49:19] <tasslehoff> flyer-xplorer: I think I went to a newer version by setting PREFERRED_VERSION for linux. Angstrom does it in one of its config files, and you can override it in your local.conf.
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  • [20:07:08] <flyer-xplorer> is beagleboard-xmc a sub-target of beagleboard, or are they strictly different?
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  • [20:30:42] <radarping> To install Angstrom on a new sd card all I had to do was use win32diskimager on my windows machine a "flash" the .img file onto the disk. Where can I find an android image where I can do the same... Please.
  • [20:31:24] <radarping> a = and where found before "flash"...
  • [20:32:47] <radarping> Anyone?
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  • [20:36:29] <muriani> I don't know of one for Android.
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  • [20:37:27] <prpplague> radarping: http://www.linaro.org/linaro-blog/2011/09/27/11-09-linaro-android-release-candidates-are-available/
  • [20:38:38] <radarping> Thanks prpplague
  • [20:38:52] <prpplague> no, thank pfefferz
  • [20:39:15] <muriani> interesting
  • [20:39:53] <pfefferz> :)
  • [20:40:57] <radarping> So me being very new to linux... (super new) I can see three files on that website. the boot,system and user data
  • [20:41:01] <radarping> do I need them all?
  • [20:41:07] <radarping> I've downloaded the boot
  • [20:41:14] <radarping> and see it has several files
  • [20:41:22] <prpplague> radarping: the complete instructions are posted
  • [20:41:39] <radarping> thanks,,, i'll be reading
  • [20:41:46] <pfefferz> Basically
  • [20:41:54] <pfefferz> if you put an SD card into a card reader
  • [20:42:01] <pfefferz> type dmesg on a command line
  • [20:42:17] <pfefferz> you should see something like sdc: sdc1, etc..
  • [20:42:26] <pfefferz> then you run the commands on the website
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  • [20:43:17] <pfefferz> https://android-build.linaro.org/builds/~linaro-android/beagle-11.09-release/
  • [20:43:27] <pfefferz> insert the SD card into beagle
  • [20:43:31] <pfefferz> and you're ready to go
  • [20:43:33] <pfefferz> :)
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  • [20:44:17] <flyer-xplorer> is there a good reason to put android on the beagleboard?
  • [20:44:33] <flyer-xplorer> so you get the whole SDK / deployment environ?
  • [20:44:45] <pfefferz> flyer-xplorer, for fun
  • [20:44:58] <pfefferz> flyer-xplorer, you can compile each part form scratch
  • [20:45:10] <pfefferz> flyer-xplorer, we have also used GCC 4.6
  • [20:45:15] <radarping> for the life of me I can't see the instructions...
  • [20:45:16] <pfefferz> flyer-xplorer, and have an updated kernel
  • [20:45:19] <flyer-xplorer> lol oOo
  • [20:45:36] <radarping> I dont have a linux machine to do anything on, just the bbxm and my windows
  • [20:45:44] <flyer-xplorer> sorta like gentoo/funtoo on embedded hardware
  • [20:46:10] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: it might be easiest if you get what is called a "livecd" to run off temporarly.
  • [20:46:30] <muriani> yup
  • [20:46:38] <radarping> yes... I'm getting that impression. I'll grab one of those.
  • [20:46:44] <muriani> your standard ubuntu install cd will work for that
  • [20:46:45] <flyer-xplorer> find some old junker PC with a CD rom drive (you dont need much else) and boot of the CD
  • [20:47:07] <pfefferz> actually that a really good point
  • [20:47:15] <pfefferz> we do need a windows installation option
  • [20:47:21] <pfefferz> and OSX
  • [20:47:25] <pfefferz> I'll file a BP
  • [20:47:28] <radarping> hmmm. can I use my bbxm running angstrom?
  • [20:47:29] <pfefferz> blueprint
  • [20:47:31] <muriani> OSX probably isn't too hard
  • [20:47:58] <muriani> osx doesnt' include wget by default, although it does include curl
  • [20:48:07] <flyer-xplorer> when you plug in a MMC to USB card reader, it should show up as /dev/sda
  • [20:48:17] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: yes. Thats what Im doing now
  • [20:48:32] <radarping> k.
  • [20:48:38] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: er. yeah, but it will have to be using the USB to talk to a second SSD
  • [20:48:48] <muriani> although the sd creation script might be troublesome
  • [20:48:50] <flyer-xplorer> er MMC. i keep tying the wrong TLA
  • [20:49:31] <radarping> K. I'll keep it simpler...
  • [20:50:01] <pfefferz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-android/+bug/860897
  • [20:50:09] <pfefferz> for anyones whop's interested
  • [20:50:35] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: honestly, to keep it stupid simple, a stripped down machine with no hard drive, some ram, a CDROM drive and USB ports should make it easy
  • [20:50:58] <radarping> yep, thanks flyer
  • [20:51:19] <radarping> that and learn linux...
  • [20:51:43] <flyer-xplorer> boot of the CD, when all the text stops for a bit, and you get somethink looking like "# " or "livecd >" looking command prompt, plug your USB reader in and proceed with the instructions
  • [20:52:03] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: all in due time, for now you just want to get somethign working, not get a working knowledge of linux :-)
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  • [20:53:38] <flyer-xplorer> heck, I still remember learning to use linux. it was a bit of a paradigm shift (for the better)
  • [20:54:20] <pfefferz> flyer-xplorer, me to...course I'm still learning
  • [20:54:53] <flyer-xplorer> pfefferz: yeah. Im not expert. Just talking to people in #funtoo makes me realize how little I actually know
  • [20:55:03] <radarping> Well I have angstrom "working" apart from wifi... And I should really just be happy and go but android looks shiny and it's distracted me.
  • [20:55:37] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: have you written any android apps?
  • [20:55:51] <radarping> lol i haven't even installed anything.
  • [20:56:05] <muriani> he's experimenting!
  • [20:56:06] <radarping> What should I install first?
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  • [20:56:12] <muriani> We all have that phase.
  • [20:56:44] <radarping> My first computer was an Elf II in 1978. I've been around. Just missed linux
  • [20:56:47] <radarping> til now...
  • [20:57:13] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: I dont want to be a downer, but android is exciting, but you wont be able to do much without having to write your own apps. It is linux, but very different
  • [20:57:51] <radarping> sounds good.
  • [20:59:11] <flyer-xplorer> im trying to hack up some GPS utilities in angstrom so that I can connect a GPS decoder with 1PPS -> USB -> Angstrom accurate clock
  • [20:59:52] <muriani> There's a lot of stuff for Android, but you have to sideload it or use an alternate market.
  • [21:00:27] <muriani> Also, a lot of the really cool stuff is written using an NDK for specific chipsets, so you may find some really nifty software just doesn't work on the beagle.
  • [21:00:29] <radarping> sounds interesting. flyer.
  • [21:00:49] <flyer-xplorer> muriani: yeah. its not exactly 'hard', but it requires lots of reading and poking
  • [21:00:50] <radarping> yes its a steep learning curve for sure.
  • [21:01:06] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: not as high as you think :-)
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  • [21:18:04] <radarping> flyer, what do you do with your bb?
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  • [21:23:49] <radarping> what do you guys use to connect to irc? mirc is great on windows, anything work with the bbxm?
  • [21:30:01] <mru> irssi
  • [21:33:23] <muriani> if you have X, then xchat is good.
  • [21:33:39] <muriani> although you'll find most linux users likely prefer the console-based irssi.
  • [21:34:06] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: irssi is good, but its console and requires a good manual to use easily.
  • [21:34:08] * muriani uses irssi in a remote screen session via ssh
  • [21:34:15] <radarping> k
  • [21:34:17] <radarping> thanks
  • [21:34:22] <muriani> basic usage is easy enough
  • [21:34:32] <flyer-xplorer> radarping: stick to xchat for now
  • [21:34:43] <nikarul> I use irrsi on Linux
  • [21:34:58] <nikarul> haven't found any gui client on linux that matches mIRC
  • [21:35:12] <muriani> /connect <server>, /join #channel, meta-# switches between windows or meta-cursor keys to scroll through
  • [21:35:20] <muriani> easy enough
  • [21:35:40] <muriani> there are some quirks but you learn them pretty quick
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  • [21:36:03] <muriani> and it's commonly installed on most internet-connected linux machines
  • [21:39:32] <damjan> I use konversation
  • [21:39:33] <radarping> got it installed. irssi. just getting it connected
  • [21:40:29] <damjan> looks much better to me than mIRC, but maybe that's the ugly defaults of it (and the ugly default monospaced font in windows)
  • [21:40:32] <muriani> most of the basic commands you use in irssi likely work, since they're IRC native commands
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  • [21:43:55] <radarping> so far it's a fail...
  • [21:44:31] <muriani> what are you trying to connect to?
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  • [21:45:00] <radarping> use irssi to connect to this channel
  • [21:45:34] <muriani> /connect irc.freenode.org
  • [21:45:51] <muriani> /nick <nick>
  • [21:45:51] <radarping> lol
  • [21:45:53] <radarping> easy
  • [21:46:05] <muriani> /join #beagle
  • [21:46:14] <muriani> if that doesnt' work, then you may have network issues :P
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  • [21:46:30] <radarping_linux> cool
  • [21:46:33] <radarping_linux> thanks
  • [21:46:49] <flyer-xplorer> hey hey!
  • [21:46:51] <muriani> there you go
  • [21:47:23] <radarping_linux> Just love this over kill... my bbxm is networked to my win7 machine.
  • [21:47:51] <radarping> And this is my main windows box running vista
  • [21:51:37] <radarping> "CPEc0c1c0592a28-CM0011e6f60aad.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com" doesn't look overly anonymous lol
  • [21:53:46] <flyer-xplorer> looks like you are from canada!
  • [21:54:00] <radarping> yep. Waterloo Ontario
  • [21:54:07] <flyer-xplorer> haha nice
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  • [22:05:13] <radarping> does anyone have a mkv player for the bbxm?
  • [22:06:19] <_av500_> depends
  • [22:06:35] <radarping> for angstrom
  • [22:06:46] <radarping> or stand alone...
  • [22:06:52] <_av500_> if you want to play bluray rips you are out of luck
  • [22:07:01] <flyer-xplorer> vlc should be able to play just about everything
  • [22:07:14] <_av500_> vlc has no acceleration on bagle
  • [22:07:16] <_av500_> beagle
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  • [22:07:27] <radarping> k
  • [22:07:30] <radarping> Thanks.
  • [22:07:34] <radarping> got to go ttfn
  • [22:07:38] <flyer-xplorer> that would be a problem then. what about mplayer?
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  • [22:08:23] <muriani> I think mplayer has some acceleration
  • [22:08:39] <muriani> and there's acceleratted gstreamer backends
  • [22:09:29] <_av500_> gst yes
  • [22:09:34] <_av500_> mplayer no
  • [22:09:50] <_av500_> libav is getting ce support soon hopefully
  • [22:10:02] <flyer-xplorer> ce?
  • [22:10:17] <_av500_> codec engine
  • [22:11:32] <mru> "soon"
  • [22:11:34] <flyer-xplorer> wow. ffmpeg is going obsolete in lieu of avconv
  • [22:32:05] <_av500_> mru: :)
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  • [22:38:10] <_av500_> behold the dragonboard: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Bsquare-DragonBoard/?kc=rss
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  • [23:15:08] <jkridner> ugly. huge. :)
  • [23:15:26] <jkridner> expensive.
  • [23:17:02] <_av500_> and unlikely to be open
  • [23:17:34] <_av500_> but its cheaper than the 20k$ evm the also have
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  • [23:40:06] <flyer-xplorer> how can i force oe to re-fetch sources?
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  • [23:46:22] <koen> -c cleanall to delete the sources
  • [23:56:25] <flyer-xplorer> ok. Is there a "ROMFS" slipstream point where we can place files to be gobbled up into the packaged tar.gz?
  • [23:57:20] <flyer-xplorer> eg. openwrt, and files in <buildroot>/files will be copied to the resultant image so that <buildroot>/files/etc/login will be /etc/login on the device
  • [23:57:51] <flyer-xplorer> s/openwrt, and/in openwrt, any/g
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