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[06:05:21] <deadaim> Is it possible to use the beagleboard XM to drive a solenoid?
[06:05:38] <av500> a very tiny one maybe
[06:05:46] <av500> that runs off 1.8V and a few mA
[06:06:12] <deadaim> what about a 12V solenoid?
[06:06:28] <dm8tbr> use relays or other means of switching?
[06:06:33] <math_class_boner> run it through a relay driver
[06:06:37] <math_class_boner> ULN2003A or similar
[06:06:40] <deadaim> I realize that the bb xm powers off 5V so I'd have to have a way of providing it with enough V
[06:06:58] <av500> deadaim: please dont power the BB with 12V
[06:07:04] <deadaim> yes, I know :)
[06:07:09] <deadaim> 5V for the bb
[06:07:15] <av500> unless you want your solenoid "full on" all the time
[06:07:16] <dm8tbr> the 12V would only pass through the relay...
[06:07:19] <math_class_boner> i run bigger relays/solenoids off the 5V DIO from my little DAQ's all the time at work
[06:07:22] <dm8tbr> EE101
[06:07:40] <deadaim> how would I connect the solenoid or relay driver to the beagleboard though?
[06:07:49] <math_class_boner> even a simple transistor like a 2N4400 will work
[06:07:53] <dm8tbr> gpio?
[06:08:25] <math_class_boner> yea, something you can toggle on or off
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[06:08:48] <deadaim> dm8tbr: ah, using gpio to drive another circuit that's connected to the solenoid?
[06:09:01] <Animule> one leg of the solenoid/relay to 12v
[06:09:16] <Animule> other leg to the ULN2003A's output
[06:09:23] <Animule> ground of the ULN2003A to ground
[06:09:31] <Animule> input of the ULN2003A to the DIO line
[06:09:42] <Animule> 5V/"High" on DIO = solenoid off
[06:09:53] <Animule> 0V/"Low" on DIO = solenoid on
[06:10:00] <Animule> pretty basic electronics here
[06:10:12] <deadaim> sorry, what does DIO mean?
[06:10:18] <Animule> digital i/o
[06:10:28] <deadaim> perfect, got it
[06:10:58] <Animule> i've got dozens of these things at work: http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/201630
[06:11:07] <Animule> cheap, easy to control
[06:11:20] <Animule> the outputs will drive a solid state relay without signal conditioning
[06:11:39] <Animule> and like I said, a ULN2003A is my go-to-component for most everything else
[06:12:55] <Animule> USB-6008 if I need some analog I/O: http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/201986
[06:13:01] <deadaim> Animule: interesting.. so what exactly is it that you linked me to? That connects to the bb through usb and it's able to control the 24 relays?
[06:13:16] <deadaim> or i should say 24 lines*
[06:13:27] <Animule> you probably could, i just interface it to a PC though.
[06:13:38] <Animule> DAQmx isn't really a "lightweight" driver package.
[06:14:00] <Animule> Do know some people on the NI forums that have used those boards on *nix systems though, so i'm sure it's entirely possible.
[06:14:13] <deadaim> Animule: Well, I'm trying to build a stand alone device that uses a SOM type device
[06:14:27] <deadaim> that powers some solenoids
[06:14:28] <Animule> if you only need one or three digital outputs, just use the lines on the BB.
[06:14:47] <Animule> if you need more than the BB has, that might be an option.
[06:15:51] <deadaim> so, I'm developing a system at the moment. My impression is that the BB is not a "production board". In development, I'd only need to power 2 or 3 solenoids. In production mode, I'd need to power ~15 solenoids. When I choose a SOM, I would need to find one with several DIO pins, right?
[06:16:07] <deadaim> When I choose a SOM for production*
[06:16:17] <Animule> measurement-computing has some other DAQ/DIO solutions similar to NatInst's.... http://www.mccdaq.com/solutions/USB-Data-Acquisition.aspx
[06:17:05] <Animule> http://labjack.com/
[06:17:59] <ds2> you can drive the solenoid directly... get a 5V one
[06:18:07] <ds2> take off an LED and put the solenoid on it
[06:18:19] <Animule> http://numato.com/
[06:18:21] <deadaim> ds2: well, in production I would likely need a stronger one
[06:18:32] <deadaim> Animule: what does labjack do exactly?
[06:18:53] <ds2> what are you doing with the solenoid?
[06:19:07] <deadaim> ds2: lock something in place
[06:19:20] <deadaim> to prevent someone from taking it
[06:20:10] <ds2> ah
[06:20:45] <ds2> wonder if you can use a geared motor to drive a cam to do the locking
[06:20:53] <ds2> then you just need to put in limit switches
[06:21:28] <deadaim> sorry, I'm relatively new to electronics. What is a "cam"
[06:21:45] <av500> its mechanics
[06:21:57] <deadaim> camshaft?
[06:22:02] <av500> as in double overhead cam shaft
[06:22:04] <ds2> an cam is just that, a cam
[06:22:21] <ds2> does the term 'eccentric' make more sense?
[06:22:36] <av500> ds2: yes, it describes you nicely :)
[06:22:40] <ds2> :P
[06:23:06] <deadaim> and what are "limit switches"?
[06:24:46] <deadaim> nvm, I googled that one ;)
[06:25:08] <deadaim> ds2: intersting.. I'll research further on your suggestion. thanks!
[06:25:47] <deadaim> Animule, av500, ds2: thanks for your inputs -- you've been a lot of help. I'll research further into what's been suggested.
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[06:42:52] <JLaurin> Hi, I have a strange error occuring when building X-Loader, i still manage to make a u-boot, here is a pastebin of the building procedure and occuring error: http://pastebin.com/NYSFPCyn
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[12:07:58] <koen> that stuff tries to be clever, but turns out to be the village idiot
[12:08:59] <koen> having foo-arm-linux-gcc in /something/toolchain and doing PATH=$PATH:/something/toolchain won't work
[12:09:20] <koen> since xdc insists that 'bin' needs to be in there somewhere
[12:10:14] <av500> haha
[12:10:18] <koen> av500: funnily enough c6accel can't be built in /home/arubin :)
[12:10:36] <koen> since andy's name will confuse the regex
[12:11:23] <av500> i doubt he builds much code these days
[12:11:40] <koen> since you can't download android anuymore
[12:12:36] <av500> you can always download openmoko
[12:13:23] <koen> brokenmoko?
[12:13:35] <koen> av500: btw, avxxx!
[12:15:29] * koen guesses ffmpeg development mainly involves writing perl scripts to munge libav patches nowadays
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[13:11:13] <ynezz> hm, since when you can't download android?
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[13:11:20] <ynezz> koen: ^
[13:11:53] <av500> ynezz: honexcomb
[13:11:56] <av500> honeycomb
[13:11:59] <ynezz> ah
[13:12:20] <av500> koen has a pet obsession about that
[13:15:03] <koen> yes
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[13:29:10] <siji> hi all
[13:30:25] <siji> anyone tried with ( http://www.chipsee.com/beagleboard-xm.html ) LCD/Ts interface board ?
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[14:57:01] <koen> av500: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:10590
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[14:58:24] <av500> koen: nice
[14:59:03] <koen> the spherical mapping sounds like a nice task for the dsp or imcop
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[15:18:00] <arcanescu> is there a way to set bootargs via a shell script? or something automated?
[15:18:34] <av500> boot.scr
[15:18:39] <av500> uEnv.txt
[15:19:37] <arcanescu> these are in uboot?
[15:20:38] <av500> these are used by uboot
[15:21:20] <arcanescu> ummm
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[15:23:51] <arcanescu> do you know the locations?
[15:24:13] <av500> locations?
[15:24:27] <arcanescu> as in these two files? where would they be?
[15:24:44] <av500> on your sdcard?
[15:24:58] <av500> why didnt you just enter them in google and see for yourself?
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[15:25:51] <arcanescu> hmmm ok got it
[15:26:21] <joelagnel> arcanescu, put a uEnv.txt in the FAT partition. It could look something like this:
[15:26:22] <joelagnel> https://gitorious.org/~joelf/beagleboard-validation/validation-scripts/blobs/master/flashing/uEnv.txt
[15:27:03] <arcanescu> joelagnel: thanks.... what about the other file mentioned by av500?
[15:28:20] <joelagnel> arcanescu, I don't use boot.scr, I'm not sure what the state of its usage is
[15:28:29] <av500> its the "old" way
[15:28:36] <joelagnel> Also if you're interested in how/why about uEnv.txt, check:
[15:28:40] <joelagnel> https://github.com/joelagnel/u-boot/blob/beagle-2011.06/include/configs/omap3_beagle.h#L307
[15:28:54] <arcanescu> thanks joe
[15:29:01] <joelagnel> np
[15:29:13] <arcanescu> and av500
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[18:41:12] <djlewis_> gm :)
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[19:36:24] <arcanescu> im preparing to update my u-boot and i get this on creating a disk for it http://pastebin.com/VHe84dcw
[19:36:33] <arcanescu> any clues to what this means ?
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[20:21:56] <nkh> hi I have installed gnome on lucid , on BBxM, seem it's slow ... I remmember I have watched videos which gnome is installed and is very fast , is there any special fact about this?!
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[20:29:17] <ds2> hmmm
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[20:50:43] <djlewis_> ingbird
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[21:02:49] <borillion> hey guys anyone have any experience with sound?
[21:03:12] * prpplague makes lots of sound when he eats tex-mex
[21:03:44] <borillion> ROFL
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[21:04:36] <ds2> got lighter?
[21:04:48] * borillion thinking about using an alc885 chip, but doesn't know what a codec is exaclty
[21:05:28] <ds2> a COder DECcoder
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[21:09:52] <mranostay> *sigh* more rain
[21:11:30] <ds2> but water is good for you ;)
[21:11:45] <borillion> obviously that part I get LOL, the question is more of can the beagle handle adding on a codec, do I add it to the audio McBSP2 Port, or through the main expansion header
[21:12:08] <ds2> either one
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[21:19:02] <_av500_> from the common subset of interfaces on the codec and beagle, chose the one you like most
[21:19:47] <_av500_> or pick the interface that you like most on the BB and chose a codec that matches that
[21:20:04] <_av500_> rule applies to other hardware addons too
[21:22:02] <juso> Looking for a 8-10" touch screen for beagleboard, anyone got some good links - im googling and im not getting any love =\
[21:22:24] <juso> 7-10" i will even do
[21:23:26] <borillion> kk thanks _av500_ , it just seems that the McBSP2 on the bbxm is very limited as the chip only physically supports one input and one out it seems
[21:23:37] <_av500_> ?
[21:23:42] <borillion> juso do you mind ordering from china?
[21:24:21] <_av500_> borillion: the Mc in mcbsp means multichannel
[21:24:29] <juso> as long as it works without a doubt, i dont mind - i don't want to sit and compile different drivers for a week =D
[21:24:50] <borillion> let me see if I can find you the contact I ordered from
[21:24:59] <juso> thanks man!
[21:25:25] <juso> got any pics/videos of your projects? i love seeing what people make out of a beagle!
[21:25:29] <ds2> http://www.hy-research.com/beagle_tab7.html <-- that screen + interface is available, use the estore link
[21:25:38] <ds2> juso: that is my screen.
[21:26:00] <ds2> _av500_: thought it was scottish? ;)
[21:26:30] <borillion> juso, wasn't the cheapest but http://www.chipsee.com/beagleboard-xm-exp-v2.html
[21:27:02] <juso> is that yen?
[21:27:05] <borillion> yea
[21:27:12] <ds2> FWIW, my screen is the only outdoor visible one (not many people bother with that feature it seems)
[21:27:47] <borillion> my have to get one of ds2's
[21:27:54] <juso> 16 USD?
[21:28:01] <juso> cant be that cheap.. or is it?
[21:28:07] <_av500_> no
[21:28:24] <borillion> if recall it was more like 200
[21:28:51] <juso> ok that works, trying to get the whole device in under 400
[21:29:04] <_av500_> yuan
[21:29:09] <_av500_> not yen
[21:29:11] <borillion> its ^
[21:29:17] <borillion> yea
[21:29:24] <borillion> yuan
[21:29:24] <_av500_> 200$
[21:29:24] <juso> ohh wow - ive never even heard of yaun lol
[21:29:35] <_av500_> juso: only few ppl use it
[21:29:40] <_av500_> couple of billion
[21:29:45] <borillion> with shipping it came out to about $200
[21:29:48] <borillion> LOLZ
[21:29:55] <borillion> a few :P
[21:30:19] <borillion> how do you guys thing a beagle is going to do in a car dash?
[21:30:47] <_av500_> borillion: i would strap it down so it does not impact into the dash
[21:30:57] <borillion> :P heat wise
[21:31:02] <ds2> beagle should do fine. it is the power supply and making sure the display is visible in direct sunlight (unless you are a vampire) that gets tricky
[21:31:30] <borillion> yea the screen is horrid to get right in sun
[21:31:31] <ds2> but officially, I don't think anything is "rated" for automotive
[21:32:01] <juso> getting that screen to work in linux im sure isn't going to be easy, heh.
[21:32:06] <ds2> hence the reason I choose the screens that I did ;) sick of off the shelf crap that don't work in sun :(
[21:32:12] <borillion> thats why I would try yours ds2, as soon as I get another beagle lol I had to order a replacement and a panda board
[21:32:15] <juso> maybe i will install windows ce, baaahhh!
[21:32:26] <ds2> screens are trivial to get going
[21:32:29] <borillion> juso eww
[21:32:34] <juso> exactly lol
[21:32:48] * borillion hates MS
[21:32:56] <borillion> all my stuff is linux thank you
[21:32:56] <juso> i cant STAND it
[21:33:02] <ds2> never versions of the kernel take about 40mins to get going and 30 of that is from compiling on an ancient machine
[21:33:10] <juso> if im not gaming, im on linux/mac
[21:33:25] <borillion> I got rid of my last apple item last wee
[21:33:27] <borillion> week*
[21:34:13] <borillion> I wont give my money to companies who take cheap shots to knock out the competition sorry
[21:34:34] <ds2> g *cough* g
[21:34:37] <ds2> ;)
[21:34:45] <borillion> LOL
[21:35:31] <borillion> _av500_, thanks for the MC info Ill have to pull the data sheet on that chip and look at it again
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[21:37:16] <borillion> ds2 means google :P
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[21:38:34] <borillion> ds2 have you seen any capacitive touch panels?
[21:38:43] <ds2> sure
[21:38:56] <borillion> lol where?
[21:39:02] <ds2> any I want to buy? nope
[21:39:03] <borillion> I dont like resistive
[21:39:09] <ds2> mfg's
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[21:39:32] <ds2> usually a custom job requiring NREs unless you are really really lucky
[21:39:40] <borillion> ahh I see
[21:40:01] <borillion> thats why I cant find any lol
[21:40:11] <borillion> guess Im stuck with resistive
[21:40:16] <ds2> I personally don't like cap sense
[21:41:16] <borillion> maybe I have had bad experience but it seems like the resistive needs more pressure, to the point where your almost pounding on it
[21:41:43] <ds2> tuneable
[21:42:23] <ds2> it depends on what you want to do. I want to be able to do digital capture of writing or drawing. cap sense isn;t an option for that
[21:42:58] <ds2> ify ou want to use buttons measuring 5"x5", then capsense might be fine for you
[21:44:34] <borillion> just curious ds2 what are you converting the lcd signal with? Are you going through the header or are you going out of the dvi/hdmi socket?
[21:45:44] <ds2> borillion: header. look at http://www.hy-research.com/beagle_lcd2.html... it is basically the same PCB with different options
[21:46:58] <borillion> ds2 nice, you've earned a bookmark :P
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[21:47:34] <ds2> borillion: even can do analog input if you needed to ;)
[21:50:17] <borillion> one of my first projects was to take the dvi out and put it through a ti PanelBus DVI Receiver and to a lcd panel
[21:51:47] <ds2> that doesn't work (on paper) with the smaller panels
[21:52:13] <borillion> hehe
[21:55:34] <borillion> not 100% on the terms are the panels that go 8 lines * color called 24 bit?
[21:56:00] <ds2> typically, yes.
[21:56:54] <borillion> kk, I just buy them now and not play at that level :P
[21:59:02] <ds2> I wonder how long will it take to degrade a Eink panel in UV unprotected
[21:59:38] <borillion> Id imagine its in the data sheet lolz if you can find one
[22:00:10] <ds2> most of the time, it is like - panel must be protected from UV w/o any real numbers
[22:05:21] <borillion> do u know what chemical they use?
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[22:06:11] <ds2> the real eink or the similar epaper technologies?
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[22:06:34] <borillion> either
[22:07:32] <ds2> the real one is suppose to be a wax like stuff..there are clones based off of cholestrol
[22:07:45] <borillion> ahh
[22:07:46] <borillion> wow
[22:10:08] <borillion> doesn't cholesterol turn into vitamin D or something in the sun
[22:10:19] <ds2> probally
[22:10:37] <ds2> hence the reason they say don't expose it
[22:10:40] <borillion> heh, those screens will last like a week flat without uv
[22:10:52] <borillion> protection
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[22:11:25] <ds2> makes it hard to do thin things
[22:12:04] <borillion> yea, isn't there a similar issue with OLED too
[22:12:12] <borillion> the sun light fades it
[22:13:15] <ds2> might be
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[22:16:20] * borillion thinks audio is a bit over my head
[22:18:58] <ds2> it is just a fancy serial port
[22:20:59] <borillion> yea thats how it looks
[22:22:34] <ds2> it clocks out a certain number of bits synchronously. clock the L/R to say the other channel, and repeat
[22:29:00] <djlewis_1> later...
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[22:55:03] <borillion> so is general consumer audio 24 bit?
[22:58:51] * borillion needs to do reading on audio :(
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[23:35:05] <borillion> ds2: if your curious Im going to use one of these http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320aic3253.pdf
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