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  • [00:15:57] <ds2> does anyone else see a broken www.ti.com page?
  • [00:29:23] <mIKEjONES> yea
  • [00:29:29] <mIKEjONES> no stylesheets
  • [00:29:50] <mIKEjONES> lol
  • [00:29:53] <mIKEjONES> someone probably got fired
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  • [00:30:52] <ds2> search also fails
  • [00:31:03] <ds2> webserver or loadbalancer is probally fried
  • [00:31:15] <ds2> maybe an overheated x86 part? :D
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  • [00:43:07] <ds2> for the people asking about rev info, here's an example -
  • [00:43:13] <ds2> Hardware : Nokia RX-51 board
  • [00:43:13] <ds2> Revision : 2101
  • [00:43:13] <ds2> Serial : 0000000000000000
  • [00:44:15] <ds2> and that is rendered in arm common code
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  • [01:08:35] <astro73|derial> I'm curious about a/v codec support with existing beagle tools. I'm looking at using the beagleboard for a project
  • [01:09:26] <astro73|derial> How is codec support? Is there a list of supported codecs? Or is it "most of them"?
  • [01:16:40] <ds2> "supported"?
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  • [01:25:58] <astro73|derial> like, can be decoded at reasonable performance
  • [01:26:47] <ds2> there is supported and then there is functional
  • [01:27:07] <ds2> there is a lot of functional codecs
  • [01:27:23] <astro73|derial> I'm looking at making a networked media device, so having a wide range of codecs available is important
  • [01:29:56] <astro73|derial> so I guess I'd have to go track down each individual codec?
  • [01:31:40] <djlewis> astro73|derial: for Angstrom you can go here and search for codec and dig deeper.
  • [01:31:42] <djlewis> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
  • [01:31:58] <djlewis> like look into libavcodec
  • [01:33:07] <astro73|derial> djlewis: is it basically the gstreamer list? or is it a subset?
  • [01:33:17] <djlewis> similar
  • [01:34:33] <thurbad> rev info is only 3 bits on the beagle...
  • [01:35:32] <thurbad> so it's probably not talking about the same revision
  • [01:37:38] <astro73|derial> djlewis: I know PC gstreamer can be considered "complete" for my purposes, i guess I'll have to look through my library and make a list
  • [01:38:01] <djlewis> and look into the good, bad and ugly plugins as well
  • [01:38:48] <djlewis> astro73|derial: does your nick apply to actual astronomy?
  • [01:39:22] <astro73|derial> djlewis: no, astronouth7303 is my standard name online. Derrial Booke is my current computer
  • [01:39:45] <djlewis> just checking as it is a major hobby of mine
  • [01:39:56] <astro73|derial> funfun
  • [01:40:03] <thurbad> I don't have time for hobbies anymore ~.~
  • [01:43:11] <djlewis> thurbad: chasing money?
  • [01:43:40] <ds2> gstreamer or the ffmpeg stuff or mplayer or ....
  • [01:43:51] <djlewis> thurbad: or married with children ;P
  • [01:43:56] <ds2> lots of choices but if you really really need 'support', that becomes a much shorter list
  • [01:46:42] <thurbad> career chasing, I suppose
  • [01:47:09] <astro73|derial> ds2: can you clarify "support"?
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  • [01:48:48] <ds2> astro73|derial: an entity that will answer questions, fix bugs on a timely manner, make mods (maybe), etc
  • [01:48:57] <thurbad> right now I need to chase up some food
  • [01:49:16] <ds2> vs functional where you get code that someone believes will work and you can try it.
  • [01:50:27] <astro73|derial> ds2: just checking
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  • [02:10:51] <djlewis> astro73|derial: man mplayer for Desc of compatibility
  • [02:11:59] <djlewis> astro73|derial: but here in the embedded world we either help each other or figure out things on our own :)
  • [02:15:28] <astro73|derial> djlewis: thanks, i'm compiling a list of codecs currently in my library
  • [02:15:45] <astro73|derial> and by compiling, I mean "running a script that repeatedly calls ffmpeg"
  • [02:16:55] <djlewis> ffmpeg -formats
  • [02:17:32] <astro73|derial> i mean, what's currently used, not what's available on my system
  • [02:17:41] <djlewis> oh
  • [02:18:20] <astro73|derial> off-hand, I think it's mostly divx, xvid, and mpeg4
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  • [02:18:45] <thurbad> libavcodec is forked from ffmpeg if I understand the relationship
  • [02:19:29] <thurbad> so if ffmpeg handles your needs libav is very likely to as well
  • [02:19:39] <astro73|derial> the question, as i understand it, is less "is this code available" as "does it run well enough on the beagle or has it been ported to the dsp"
  • [02:20:23] <thurbad> if you want dsp support you're probably not looking for libav
  • [02:21:32] <thurbad> there's not a lot in the free space that has been converted to dsp, aside from a couple of TI codecs
  • [02:21:50] <astro73|derial> honestly, i care less about using the DSP and more about having it play videos smoothly; if that requires using the DSP then so be it
  • [02:22:06] <thurbad> what dimensions?
  • [02:22:18] <thurbad> and frame rate and such
  • [02:23:10] <astro73|derial> that would require another trawl through my media library
  • [02:24:44] <djlewis> just tell him what it does not do so well ;)
  • [02:25:25] <astro73|derial> the codec list is paste2.org/p/1438183
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  • [02:29:56] <astro73|derial> (although i could probably get by with much less)
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  • [02:33:45] <astro73|derial> are there known "fail" codecs?
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  • [02:35:54] <thurbad> probably some wmv and mov codecs, I haven't tested wmv too recently but I know linux support used to be rather lacking for it at good quality
  • [02:36:23] <astro73|derial> hm. I'm making up a histogram now, so I guess I'll find out shortly
  • [02:36:26] <djlewis> my weather cam is wmv and plays well
  • [02:36:52] <thurbad> that's possible but wmv is not just a single codec
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  • [02:37:43] <thurbad> if it works well in linux in general it's probably supported though, in some form
  • [02:38:18] <thurbad> as long as the bitrate, dimensions, and framerate aren't too high
  • [02:38:33] <astro73|derial> thurbad: I know, which is why I have such a time making these lists
  • [02:39:32] <thurbad> for instance native 720p... good luck with video playback
  • [02:39:39] <astro73|derial> my top codecs are mpeg4, h264, and msmpeg4 (with mp3, vorbis, ac3, and aac)
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  • [02:41:47] <astro73|derial> i have relatively few files of everything else
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  • [02:52:05] <astro73|derial> yeah, i'm mostly looking at TV resolutions
  • [02:54:01] <ds2> you will need to define that
  • [03:01:26] <astro73|derial> out of 1867 files, only 43 are of a height of 720px or higher. 550 of them are between 400 and 576px (most common being 480px). The remaining comes to 1286 files, the most common being 352px, 320px, and 240px.
  • [03:02:31] <astro73|derial> is that well enough defined?
  • [03:12:37] <astro73|derial> 352px and 480px are by far the most common, with 432, 368, 320, and 240 trailing
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  • [03:16:46] <ds2> so you need 720p decodes?
  • [03:17:20] <astro73|derial> just h264 and mpeg4
  • [03:17:26] <djlewis> man! that's a lot of porn ;)
  • [03:36:26] <prpplague> djlewis: naw, you should see av500 's stash
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  • [03:47:25] <astro73|derial> pivot tables are officially my friend
  • [03:48:05] <astro73|derial> anyways
  • [03:48:36] <astro73|derial> 720p on h264/mpeg4?
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  • [04:42:40] <_av500_> wuz?
  • [04:43:18] <_av500_> astro73|derial: h264 720p only with commercial codecs
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  • [04:44:47] <_av500_> off to home depot
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  • [05:11:22] <astro73|derial> _av500_: can you clarify? example?
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  • [05:21:18] <thurbad> pretty sure there are codecs using the dsp that can handle 720p for gstreamer, but they're not free
  • [05:23:53] <astro73|derial> ok, like what? And what's the usual pricing scheme?
  • [05:26:12] <dm8tbr> you buy a license for 10k units or sthg like that
  • [05:27:13] <astro73|derial> oh
  • [05:27:17] <astro73|derial> that's unfortunate
  • [05:30:34] <astro73|derial> so pretty much for commercial production only
  • [05:30:47] <astro73|derial> or bruce wayne
  • [05:32:56] <dm8tbr> I'd be surprised if you'd manage to buy one codec for one device
  • [05:32:59] <thurbad> there are some free ti codecs available, but only a couple, not sure if h264 is one of them or not at this point
  • [05:33:31] <astro73|derial> i think an email in one of the groups mentioned it was?
  • [05:34:00] <thurbad> I seem to recall that it was but not with any certainty
  • [05:34:15] <astro73|derial> bottom line is that I shouldn't be expecting HD out of even a bb-xm
  • [05:35:25] <ZeZu> I know some of those codecs are/were available for free (for non-commercial use) ... I recall the orig. BB running open source movies @720p using OpenMAX codecs from TI
  • [05:35:47] <thurbad> if you're looking for 720p decoding on the fly yoou may want to look into the pandaboard instead of the beagle, it's about $25 or so more but has a more powerful CPU
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  • [05:37:04] <thurbad> it claims it can do 1080p even, but I haven't tried it yet
  • [05:37:18] <astro73|derial> that might be a better call
  • [05:40:35] <thurbad> as far as I'm aware the beagle won't even display 1080p graphics at all
  • [05:41:23] <thurbad> I didn't try on the xM but with the C4 it resulted in a refresh speed that was too low for most LCDs
  • [05:44:02] <thurbad> http://www.pandaboard.org/
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  • [05:53:09] <astro73|derial> i don't think this display does 1080p
  • [05:53:26] <astro73|derial> but probably means it can handle lesser codecs better
  • [05:54:17] <AlTheKiller> Eh, pretty sure presentation isn't your problem.
  • [05:54:21] <AlTheKiller> decode will be
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  • [05:55:03] <astro73|derial> oh, right. you still have to decode the whole video before adjusting for size
  • [05:55:25] <AlTheKiller> Scaling will probably be a problem too
  • [05:55:45] <astro73|derial> sounds like i should just go for a panda
  • [05:55:52] <astro73|derial> still cheaper than an actual computer
  • [05:56:34] <AlTheKiller> If all you want is a mediacenter, get an nvidia ION system.
  • [05:57:12] <astro73|derial> can you suggest a board?
  • [05:57:33] <thurbad> I can get display if I play a 640x360 video at 2x scaling on the beagle, doesn't look that great though
  • [05:57:34] <AlTheKiller> I have 3 zotac ones deployed, all fine.
  • [05:58:08] <AlTheKiller> 640x360? What is this, 1998?
  • [05:58:36] <thurbad> heh
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  • [05:59:26] <thurbad> how much are atom/ion systems to custom produce?
  • [05:59:47] <AlTheKiller> Is that what we're talking about doing?
  • [06:00:02] <thurbad> no, that's what I'm doing though
  • [06:00:40] <AlTheKiller> What do you mean by "custom produce" ?
  • [06:01:06] <thurbad> started with a beagle spec and modified the hardware to be easier to produce and fit our needs
  • [06:01:07] <astro73|derial> hm, ion's not a bad choice, but i don't like that creeping price point, esp since I'd still need VGA and RS-232
  • [06:02:12] <AlTheKiller> Intel d510 or d525 with a broadcom crystalhd decoder is cheaper.
  • [06:03:07] <AlTheKiller> Assuming w/e SW you wanna run can use the card.
  • [06:04:09] <astro73|derial> and a beagleboard (certainly a pandaboard) will do what I want
  • [06:04:28] <thurbad> my next purchase is probably going to be another netbook with a dual-core atom
  • [06:04:41] <AlTheKiller> The HW might beable to do it.
  • [06:04:57] <AlTheKiller> Whether the drivers are in any shape for it, another story entirely.
  • [06:05:10] <AlTheKiller> Let alone what's actually available w/o and NDA.
  • [06:05:17] <AlTheKiller> s/and/an
  • [06:08:20] <astro73|derial> yeah, i haven't heard anything real definitive one way or another on beagle performance
  • [06:09:13] <av500> astro73|derial: indeed, HD is not for the BB
  • [06:10:20] <AlTheKiller> AFAIK it can do 720p mpeg4 at some low br, with the tuned DSP codecs
  • [06:10:32] <av500> yes
  • [06:10:46] <av500> if you control the content you can do some 720p
  • [06:10:52] <thurbad> but is that watchable?
  • [06:11:01] <av500> sure
  • [06:11:06] <AlTheKiller> So long as the br is low enough.
  • [06:11:11] <thurbad> or all pixelatexd
  • [06:11:12] <astro73|derial> with the audio codec, too?
  • [06:11:14] <AlTheKiller> Well that depends on watchable too :)
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  • [06:11:54] <av500> i have a 720p mpeg4 dsp codec
  • [06:12:00] <av500> leaves all the cou for audio
  • [06:12:07] <av500> cpu
  • [06:12:35] <AlTheKiller> Well you still gotta demux ;)
  • [06:13:04] <av500> thats like <1%
  • [06:13:13] <AlTheKiller> depending on container
  • [06:13:24] <av500> not much
  • [06:14:45] <astro73|derial> the stuff I found is saying the xm can handle 720p h264/mpeg4 (TI's docs)
  • [06:15:12] <av500> yes, h264 base profile
  • [06:15:17] <AlTheKiller> Again, depending on br.
  • [06:15:26] <av500> as said, if you control the content its ok
  • [06:15:41] <av500> but for a medai center that has to play what you throw at it it does not work
  • [06:15:46] <astro73|derial> ok
  • [06:16:12] <astro73|derial> so either pandaboard or netbook-level pc
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  • [06:17:26] <AlTheKiller> I dunno if the panda can even do *all* 720
  • [06:17:42] <av500> panda does h264 HP 1080p
  • [06:17:45] <AlTheKiller> Then again it can probably dip into base level 1080.
  • [06:18:02] <AlTheKiller> With open codecs?
  • [06:18:04] <av500> same for mpeg4, mpeg2 and wmv/vc1
  • [06:18:22] <av500> AlTheKiller: with binary codecs, so for mpeg4 and h264 are available
  • [06:18:26] <av500> so far
  • [06:19:17] <AlTheKiller> Gotta use that gstreamer stuff for those thought, no?
  • [06:19:37] <astro73|derial> how is gst a problem?
  • [06:19:47] <av500> AlTheKiller: no
  • [06:19:51] <av500> astro73|derial: it is :)=
  • [06:20:23] <av500> AlTheKiller: that is what they want you to believe
  • [06:20:53] * astro73|derial is pretty much expecting to be using gstreamer, since he's already going to be using gtk
  • [06:21:17] <av500> 2x 1080p, no gst involved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI9tJlHyoNE
  • [06:21:28] <AlTheKiller> Well linking to the bins isn't gonna be gpl compliant I'm guessing.
  • [06:21:40] <av500> AlTheKiller: they run on a separate HW unit
  • [06:22:05] <av500> like dsp codecs on BB
  • [06:22:25] <av500> so unless your last name is stallman, it should be fine
  • [06:22:28] <thurbad> don't have to worry about gpl when it's personal use
  • [06:23:18] <thurbad> astro73|derial, are you planning on distributing anything?
  • [06:23:37] <astro73|derial> thurbad: nope, and if I do, it's not going to be with codec code
  • [06:23:48] <av500> angstrom distributes dsp codecs and gpl code, so i'd say it's covered
  • [06:23:54] <astro73|derial> all the code I'm doing is UI stuff
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  • [06:26:44] <astro73|derial> gstreamer plus: binary codecs with licensing even stallman couldn't argue with
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  • [08:12:22] <sijp> Hi, I'm trying to setup ubuntu on BeagleBoard Rev C
  • [08:12:53] <av500> follow the instructions
  • [08:13:11] <sijp> My ethernet card gives me a few issues
  • [08:13:31] <av500> maybe try #ubunut-arm
  • [08:13:31] <sijp> I successfully worked with Rev B so far
  • [08:13:35] <av500> maybe try #ubuntu-arm
  • [08:13:45] <sijp> ok tanks
  • [08:13:48] <sijp> thanks*
  • [08:27:56] <koen> and #swap-on-ssd-on-gpmc
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  • [12:42:40] <koen> hmmm
  • [12:42:49] <koen> I failed at counting today
  • [12:43:16] <woglinde> 24+24?
  • [12:43:20] * koen will pretend his patches started at 0 instead of one
  • [12:43:42] <koen> woglinde: I sent a patch v2 to the kernel list while is was v3
  • [12:43:54] * av500 reverts koen back to primary school
  • [12:43:59] <av500> or was it secondary?
  • [12:44:16] <mru> nullary
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  • [13:05:25] <Crofton> heh
  • [13:05:27] <Crofton> must pack
  • [13:07:12] <woglinde> crofton use xz
  • [13:07:48] <av500> just add __attribute__ ((__packed__))
  • [13:08:54] <koen> Crofton: tell the people at the airport that your suitcase is loaded
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  • [13:09:02] <koen> Crofton: TSA will pack it for you then
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  • [13:15:34] <Crofton> driving home
  • [13:15:53] <Crofton> I have a lot of toys
  • [13:16:09] <av500> dont toy and drive
  • [13:16:12] <Crofton> I should take a photo
  • [13:16:18] <Crofton> two boats
  • [13:16:18] <av500> toying with your life there
  • [13:16:25] <Crofton> yeah
  • [13:16:43] <Crofton> I should've taken the nexus one out on the windsurfer yesterday
  • [13:17:58] <ant_work> koen: are you fixing base-files in oe-classic too?
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  • [13:36:50] <koen> ant_work: no, classic is a dead end
  • [13:44:36] <ant_work> how long will Narcissus do builds from oe-classic?
  • [13:45:23] <koen> narcissus doesn't do builds
  • [13:45:41] <ant_work> s/do/base
  • [13:45:55] <ant_work> s/from/on
  • [13:46:30] <koen> as long as 2011.03 is supported
  • [13:46:52] <koen> btw, narcissus already does OE-core builds, just change the release in the dropdown
  • [13:47:09] <ant_work> yes, I've seen, just great
  • [13:47:53] <ant_work> I'll refresh last things in oe-core and ask JaMa to pull those in the temporary layer you're supporting
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  • [13:48:20] <ant_work> this one will be replaced reasonably soon by meta-handhelds
  • [13:48:52] <mru> what's a meta-hand?
  • [13:49:05] <ant_work> still an idea afaik
  • [13:49:53] <ant_work> to group 'palmtop' devices
  • [13:50:05] <av500> palmtop?
  • [13:50:16] * av500 wonders what he missed
  • [13:50:29] <mru> coconuts?
  • [13:50:33] <ant_work> only marketing wording ;)
  • [13:51:09] <av500> what mkt dept is that?
  • [13:51:17] <mru> does this look like #beagle-marketing to you?
  • [13:51:41] <av500> handhelds and palmtops are both terms from the last century
  • [13:52:09] <ant_work> gosh..never thought this word could have been such big lure
  • [13:52:34] <mru> whatever happened to wearables anyway?
  • [13:52:50] <av500> ant_work: I'm just curious
  • [13:52:57] <av500> mru: got worn out
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  • [13:55:45] <ant_work> av500: if we find enough people we will try to support those old toys. For the moment only some ipaq's, simpad and zaurus have some support behind.
  • [13:56:25] <ant_work> but generally speaking armv4 and armv5 devices
  • [13:56:37] <ant_work> plus some old strongarm
  • [13:56:40] <koen> sa1100 ftw
  • [13:56:46] <ant_work> exactly
  • [13:56:59] <av500> ok, so name it meta-wasteoftime :)
  • [13:57:08] <koen> the sa1100 feel a lot faster than the pxa25x ones
  • [13:57:27] <ant_work> he...most of the dev time is about naming it
  • [13:57:30] <koen> the pxa25x ones has a really narrow bus to the framebuffer
  • [13:57:39] <koen> had*
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  • [13:58:54] <woglinde> hehe simpad with uclibc and opie feels as fast as an android cellphone
  • [13:59:32] <woglinde> bah replacement company wants 68 euros for a simple isdn connector
  • [13:59:42] <av500> replace the company
  • [13:59:57] <Crofton> must drive home
  • [14:00:05] <woglinde> bye crofton
  • [14:00:16] <Crofton> see you all in a bit
  • [14:00:17] <av500> Crofton: CTRL-POS1
  • [14:00:29] <Crofton> I need to transporter
  • [14:00:55] <woglinde> av500 I only need the connector and the plug socket
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  • [14:01:06] <woglinde> from old hp omnibook 6100
  • [14:01:07] <av500> on what?
  • [14:01:42] <woglinde> my alix board fax-machine
  • [14:01:49] <woglinde> ups wrap
  • [14:01:52] <woglinde> not alix
  • [14:02:19] <av500> hmm, do you need a PIII laptop?
  • [14:02:29] <woglinde> no
  • [14:02:31] * av500 looks at the gericom brick here
  • [14:02:39] <av500> damn, nobody wants it
  • [14:02:49] <mru> send it to diego
  • [14:02:51] <av500> it can play CDs too
  • [14:02:57] <av500> mru: he did not want it
  • [14:03:10] <woglinde> I still have the gericom mediamarkt derivat
  • [14:03:10] <mru> then it must be really bad
  • [14:03:27] <woglinde> but the power socket plug is broken
  • [14:03:38] <av500> you have a tendency to break sockets
  • [14:03:53] <woglinde> av500 no no for the fax machine I only got the card cheap
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  • [14:04:15] <woglinde> but without socket plug and connector
  • [14:04:54] <woglinde> and the problem with the laptop is, its getting to hot and this end so the plastic is melting and breaks
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  • [18:07:31] <NotTooDumb2> Hello woglinde
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  • [18:54:50] <djlewis_> gm
  • [18:55:11] <djlewis_> av500: i might trade you a pentium 266 laptop for it if you talk real nice to me ;)
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  • [18:55:57] <djlewis_> hmm, nevermind the nice talk, that just didnt sound quite right.
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  • [19:03:03] <djlewis_> \:)
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