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[01:04:22] <jkridner> http://beagleboard.blogspot.com/2011/03/indiana-linuxfest-and-catcan-quadpod.html
[01:09:03] <ds2> that'd look so much better with a RevC4 ;)
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[07:29:30] <ddd> hi, av500, do you know how to define "log" function? There is an error : undefined reference to `log'. when building on GPP side. thanks
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[07:54:10] <av500> http://demisoft.altervista.org/_siti_interni/electrodroid/
[07:54:27] <Russ> ddd, its usually the opposite of 10^x :p
[07:56:27] <av500> ddd: when building what?
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[07:56:56] <av500> ddd: read the log man page
[08:00:48] <ddd> av500, building with ARM is ok, it can not be built on OMAP gpp, undefined
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[08:01:20] <av500> ddd: read the log man page
[08:03:21] <koen> the omap gpp *is* arm
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[08:05:42] <ddd> yeah, koen, i also added "#include <math.h>", but it always gives "rational.c:(.text+0x834): undefined reference to `log'" when building on omap gpp. any libs needed?
[08:06:24] <av500> ddd: since you are building ffmpeg, that project builds just fine on arm
[08:06:30] <av500> since years
[08:08:15] <ddd> yeah,
[08:08:42] <ratmice> -lm?
[08:08:56] <ddd> it is able to be built on arm , with linux pc
[08:09:17] <av500> yes, you can cross compile it from x86 for arm
[08:09:46] <ddd> av500, yeah, it is no problem with cross compile
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[08:12:41] <av500> so?
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[08:15:48] <ddd> can we build it with CE to generate a .x64p file to run on OMAP?
[08:16:24] <av500> good luck
[08:16:37] <av500> maybe in a couple of years when ti has fixed the toolchain
[08:17:27] <ddd> av500, for jm code , which can be built with CE without any problem to run on OMAP
[08:17:40] <av500> yes
[08:17:48] <av500> its "reference" code
[08:17:56] <ddd> EN , i c
[08:17:58] <av500> amd thus the most simple C
[08:18:02] <av500> and
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[08:20:23] <ddd> so , i just has a question, what will the executable file different between built with cross-compiler and built with toolchain (if it will be possible)?
[08:20:33] <ddd> i mean the code efficient
[08:21:07] <av500> a cross compiler is a toolchain too
[08:21:18] <av500> its still the same code
[08:21:22] <av500> and the same compile
[08:21:23] <av500> and the same compiler
[08:22:00] <ddd> any different built by CE and cross compiler
[08:23:15] <ddd> i.e, the file built from cross compiler is .exe file with the .x64P file built from CE
[08:23:16] <av500> CE is not a compiler
[08:23:30] <ddd> yes, it is a framework
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[08:25:15] <ddd> since both of them can be run on OMAP, which one has good performance?
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[08:29:30] <av500> ddd: CE uses the TI c compiler
[08:29:36] <av500> but it cannot compile ffmpeg
[08:29:43] <av500> ffmpeg can be compiled with gcc
[08:30:10] <av500> that is for ARM
[08:30:24] <av500> for the dsp, the ti c compiler cannot compile ffmpeg either
[08:30:26] <jacekowski> other stuff can be compiled with gcc as well
[08:30:37] <av500> and there is no gcc for the dsp
[08:30:51] <av500> ddd: so, what performance do you want to compare`
[08:30:53] <av500> ?
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[08:33:52] <ddd> which one can decode more frames per sec?
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[08:36:38] <av500> which one what?
[08:36:45] <av500> can you please ask complete questions?
[08:37:28] <ddd> in the above, i said, we can build with cross-compiler to generate a .exe file to run on omap
[08:37:47] <ddd> the other one , which is generate by CE , .x64p file
[08:37:57] <ddd> both of them can run on OMAP,
[08:38:14] <av500> both of them what?
[08:38:16] <av500> what SW?
[08:38:22] <ddd> question is, which on can decode fast?
[08:38:29] <ddd> which one
[08:38:32] <av500> what SW?
[08:39:26] <ddd> for example, set jm code an example,
[08:39:35] <av500> thats a bad example
[08:39:38] <av500> as jm is slow anyway
[08:39:53] <av500> and, why dont you try it out?
[08:41:02] <ddd> general speaking, i want to know a general case about that.
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[08:44:47] <basti> mh my hdmi output does not contain green anymore -.-
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[08:45:53] <woglinde> gm
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[08:47:29] <av500> gm
[08:47:46] <basti> gm?!
[08:48:51] <woglinde> good morning
[08:48:54] <woglinde> hi av500
[08:49:31] <basti> ah .. gm :)
[08:50:39] <koen> we can say 'moin moin', but that would confuse the US guys
[08:51:49] <av500> more than they are already?
[08:52:06] <woglinde> koen hm ist because of the one ti-lib you cannt distribute the opencv-dsp stuff?
[08:54:58] <koen> woglinde: distributing it would be fine AIUI, but it's not really suited for consumption
[08:55:16] <koen> I'm waiting for the TI guys to publish their opencv stuff based on c6accel
[08:56:24] <woglinde> ah okay
[08:56:45] <av500> koen: future abandonware?
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[09:06:44] <koen> av500: I really don't know
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[09:15:05] <basti> do you say moin moin in nl koen? ;)
[09:17:49] <basti> could it be that my X-loader or the boot loader incorrectly inits the graphics hardware when I have a missing green signal on my hdmi output?
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[09:19:31] <koen> basti: only when speaking to germans :)
[09:20:10] <woglinde> hm .38 has 42 section missmatches
[09:20:19] <woglinde> what the hell
[09:20:21] <basti> :)
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[09:22:32] <navin_> how do i bring up beagle board
[09:22:33] <av500> koen: which ff dep is that that pulls in x?
[09:22:33] <navin_> ?
[09:22:45] <av500> navin_: insert sdcard
[09:22:49] <av500> insert power
[09:23:07] <navin_> av500:i inserted
[09:23:19] <navin_> and made two partition of it
[09:23:29] <woglinde> av500 at compilation?
[09:23:41] <av500> woglinde: yes
[09:23:45] <woglinde> bluez
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[09:23:59] <woglinde> bluezsound->gstreamer->x
[09:24:03] <navin_> and downloaded u-boot.bin,MLo,uImage
[09:24:09] <woglinde> put gnome inbtw.
[09:24:28] <av500> woglinde: bluez? from where?
[09:24:30] <navin_> av500:what to do next?
[09:24:34] <woglinde> kernel
[09:24:44] <woglinde> if you have usb
[09:24:51] <woglinde> bluez is activated
[09:24:58] <woglinde> longstory
[09:25:01] <av500> but I did bitbake omapfbplay
[09:25:07] <woglinde> yes
[09:25:10] <woglinde> thats need kernel
[09:25:11] <av500> and I had a kernel built
[09:25:15] <woglinde> hm
[09:25:20] <navin_> any help to bring up the beagle board?
[09:25:27] <av500> dont tell me building a kernel builds X
[09:25:29] <woglinde> try bitbake -g
[09:25:41] <av500> navin_: what is wrong about reading all the documentation?
[09:25:41] <woglinde> at look at the pn-*.dot
[09:25:51] <woglinde> navin connector power to it
[09:26:07] <woglinde> thats how I do it
[09:26:36] <av500> woglinde: nah, it is building orc atm, wont disturb it at that important task
[09:27:41] <navin_> av500:i downloaded every thing whatever suggested on net but i dont now what to do next..in my terminal..which command i hav to give
[09:27:43] <av500> navin_: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
[09:28:30] <navin_> av500:i want to run some binaries of webkit on this board ..can i?
[09:28:44] <woglinde> av500?
[09:28:51] <woglinde> av500 you can a second bitbake parallel
[09:29:02] <woglinde> -g only produces the graph
[09:29:16] <navin_> av500:thnks
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[09:30:02] <av500> woglinde: you mean I can open a second shell?
[09:30:06] <av500> wontthat slow the pc?
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[09:30:40] <woglinde> you have an i7
[09:30:45] <woglinde> think about it
[09:31:00] <av500> yes, and I have 7 shells arleady opening
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[09:59:21] <av500> woglinde: and that pn- file is where?
[09:59:39] <av500> ah
[09:59:44] <woglinde> in the dir where you executed bitbake -g
[09:59:50] <av500> no
[09:59:54] <woglinde> what?
[10:00:00] <woglinde> you are using bitbake 0.9?
[10:00:01] <av500> that script executed it
[10:00:06] <woglinde> ?
[10:00:15] <av500> ./oebb.sh
[10:00:26] <woglinde> o.O
[10:00:49] <av500> i have it from the 123 simple website :)
[10:00:50] <woglinde> o.o(not too dumb)
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[10:02:25] <av500> woglinde: I see no graph
[10:02:36] <woglinde> its a .dot file
[10:02:44] <woglinde> but the .dot file is too big
[10:02:56] <woglinde> so you need to make the graph in your head
[10:03:07] <woglinde> foo -> moo
[10:03:14] <woglinde> is a dependency
[10:03:19] <av500> no really?
[10:03:21] <woglinde> so search libx11 ->
[10:03:30] <woglinde> sorry
[10:03:35] <woglinde> but its better than nothing
[10:03:45] <woglinde> and when you used it few times
[10:04:03] <woglinde> its getting quicker and quicker
[10:04:06] <woglinde> pastebin it
[10:04:15] <woglinde> I will tell you where xorg comes from
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[10:06:07] <av500> http://pastebin.com/9GidajK6
[10:06:09] <av500> woglinde: ^^
[10:08:38] <koen> av500: looks like sdl drags it in
[10:09:02] <av500> ah
[10:09:06] <woglinde> mesa
[10:09:36] <woglinde> drags it in
[10:10:07] <woglinde> but no hint why mesa is dragged in
[10:10:11] <woglinde> hm
[10:10:29] <koen> it's jarjar
[10:10:37] <av500> yes, what drags mesa in?
[10:11:05] <av500> the cat?
[10:11:21] <woglinde> hm some hardcoded stuff maybee
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[10:12:55] <av500> "readline-native" -> "ncurses-native"
[10:12:57] <av500> wtf?
[10:13:05] <woglinde> ?
[10:13:48] <woglinde> Depends: readline-common, libc6 (>= 2.3), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3)
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[10:13:56] <woglinde> Package: libreadline5
[10:14:01] <av500> yes
[10:14:06] <av500> I understand the deps
[10:14:14] <av500> I just wonder what all gets dragged in
[10:14:24] <av500> "python-native" -> "sqlite3-native"
[10:14:31] <woglinde> jupp
[10:14:48] <woglinde> think about a minimal buildserver
[10:15:17] <av500> I asked for omapfbplay
[10:15:38] <woglinde> and you dont have this many deps
[10:15:48] <woglinde> should a fast build
[10:16:01] <woglinde> be lucky not to fight with java or qt
[10:16:26] <av500> there is no fight
[10:16:37] <av500> nuke from orbit and be done
[10:18:20] * woglinde remembers one cebit where the archos qt devices were turned off
[10:18:31] <av500> ?
[10:18:36] <woglinde> ;)
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[10:36:40] * aholler_ suggests graphviz
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[10:38:22] <av500> no such binary
[10:38:25] <av500> :=
[10:38:27] <av500> :)
[10:39:02] <woglinde> aholler the graph is to dense
[10:39:09] <woglinde> no chance with graphivz
[10:40:07] <av500> ah, dotty
[10:40:13] <aholler> your picture is too small
[10:40:53] <woglinde> o.O
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[10:46:34] <BB_Bgn> Hi, What would cause uboot to hang at "I2C: ready", i think my bootargs are ok but I may be wrong
[10:47:09] <woglinde> to old xloder
[10:47:14] <woglinde> ups xloader
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[10:48:30] <BB_Bgn> woglinde: I can get past it if I hold down 'user' button
[10:48:55] <woglinde> put the right xloader on your sd-card
[10:49:32] <BB_Bgn> ok thanks, will have a hunt for it
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[11:03:33] <BB_Bgn> woglinde: sorted, thanks for the tip
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[12:33:42] <chethaan> need pre-compiled python for beagle board
[12:34:09] <woglinde> opkg update
[12:34:16] <woglinde> opkg list | grep python
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[12:37:57] <chethaan> Thank you. Reference to any link will be very helpful
[12:38:09] <chethaan> I am a beginner.
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[12:39:16] <woglinde> chethaan -> opkg update
[12:39:24] <woglinde> opkg list | grep python
[12:39:35] <woglinde> opkg install the_python_package_i_want
[12:41:27] <chethaan> board is not connected to Internet.
[12:41:50] <basti> do it via usb :)
[12:41:51] <woglinde> connect it
[12:42:33] <woglinde> its faster as downloading all ipk's and transfer them over via sdcard
[12:43:21] <chethaan> ok.
[12:44:23] <av500> woglinde: do you know if I can force xdc to be "verbose"?
[12:44:32] <av500> i.e. see the commands called?
[12:44:47] <av500> or make the generated makefile show them
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[12:57:19] <koen> make -n ?
[12:57:58] <Maallard> Hi guys, I've built a new beagleboard (this is my first time) and I installed a linux system on a SD card that I inserted... but when I plug the power all I have is the power led light up but nothing else the two other led never blink and I got no signal at all from Hyperterminal... could it be a hardware problem or is my system no installed correctly? it is pretty weird, because I though that even if I messed up my installation I t
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[13:03:22] <av500> koen: nvm, I found it
[13:04:01] <av500> koen: I had to understand that "clem3" means "cl470"
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[13:06:15] <koen> heh
[13:06:33] <koen> jkridner: ping
[13:07:12] <jkridner> pong
[13:07:18] <jkridner> dialing in
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[13:38:11] <koen> I must have killed a lot of kittens in a previous life
[13:38:52] <koen> http://blogs.freescale.com/2011/03/01/an-arm-for-an-arm-a-robotic-arm-controlled-by-the-freescale-i-mx53-quick-start-board/
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[13:47:48] <aholler> reads like they've done it right, easy usage, no cross-compiling ;)
[13:49:31] <av500> atroller: right
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[13:50:52] <Crofton|work> ask me about native building large crap on omap3 :)
[13:51:12] <Crofton|work> works, but can take ages
[13:52:04] <aholler> and you have to do that all the time
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[13:52:26] <av500> aholler: daily patches to openoffice :)
[13:52:39] <aholler> and ubuntu is slow, and ...
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[14:00:00] <BeagleVictory> how to start X11 and Gnome on Angstrom? I've downloaded angstrom with preinstalled Gnome and X11
[14:00:19] <woglinde> BeagleVictory start gdm?
[14:00:39] <BeagleVictory> start not found
[14:01:43] <woglinde> install it
[14:02:04] <mru> that sound you heard was probably my palm impacting on my face
[14:02:04] <BeagleVictory> ok :)
[14:02:07] <BeagleVictory> ill try
[14:03:02] <woglinde> rmu what happend?
[14:03:16] <woglinde> you met lennard?
[14:03:27] <mru> I read this channel
[14:03:42] <woglinde> yeah
[14:03:49] <woglinde> its fri.. aeh tuesday
[14:03:56] <mnemoc> :)
[14:05:55] <BeagleVictory> ehm, opkg says: Unknown package 'start'
[14:06:07] <av500> start as in launch?
[14:06:21] <av500> how do you start Winword?
[14:06:39] <av500> not with start.exe
[14:06:39] <BeagleVictory> i have not tried to start Winword
[14:06:49] <BeagleVictory> on Angstrom?
[14:07:00] <av500> never mind
[14:07:31] <woglinde> ugs
[14:07:40] <woglinde> now I facepalm too
[14:07:56] <woglinde> opkg opkg
[14:07:58] <woglinde> args
[14:08:03] <woglinde> opkg update
[14:08:08] <woglinde> opkg list | grep gdm
[14:08:32] <BeagleVictory> ok, i'll install gdm
[14:09:05] <BeagleVictory> thought it was preinstalled together with x11 and gnome from Narcissus
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[14:10:09] <jkridner> this train wreck is drawing me in....
[14:10:36] * mnemoc now wonders if wine runs of armv7
[14:10:40] <mnemoc> on*
[14:10:54] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: if you have an image that has them pre-installed, they will start at boot-up. Can you provide a copy of your bootlog by pasting it in http://pastebin.com and providing a link?
[14:11:43] <jkridner> mnemoc: even if it did, what would you be able to run with it? Would you also run some kind of x86 instruction emulator, such as dosbox or qemu?
[14:11:58] <woglinde> mnemoc should now
[14:12:43] <jkridner> mnemoc: I believe the OpenPandora guys have dosbox running Win 3.1 directly emulated x86 instructions. doubt they ever use wine.
[14:13:11] <aholler> wine is an api, no emulator. so it's useless on arm
[14:13:16] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: I don't respond to direct messages requesting support... I only reply here.
[14:13:20] <mru> run wince apps :)
[14:13:41] <BeagleVictory> ok, sry
[14:14:36] <BeagleVictory> how do i see the bootlog?
[14:14:37] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: hook up to the serial port using a terminal emulator program, such as minicom.
[14:14:53] <BeagleVictory> ok, and then i need to reboot it?
[14:16:13] <jkridner> get the serial connection working first, then reboot it, yes.
[14:16:53] <BeagleVictory> okok, i will after installing gdm is finished
[14:16:58] * jkridner reserves the right to step away from the keyboard at any time without notice (and is considering running from it right now)
[14:17:19] <BeagleVictory> haha, why?
[14:17:43] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: how are you typing in commands right now? via the serial port or with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor?
[14:18:11] <BeagleVictory> with a keyboard mouse and monitor, as well as SSH
[14:19:00] <BeagleVictory> i started the installation before you wrote about the bootlog
[14:19:57] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: k, great. so, it is just going with a text console and not X11?
[14:19:59] <aholler> how without start? ;)
[14:21:15] <BeagleVictory> it boots up and shows the console and that's it.. yes, but i chosed X11 and Gnome when i assembled the image..
[14:23:58] <BeagleVictory> jkridner, will harm anything when it is installing gdm from opkg?
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[14:30:42] <BeagleVictory> nothing happens after configuring libgnome-2-0, should i cancel it? or should i wait? :)
[14:30:43] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: I wouldn't expect any.
[14:31:14] <av500> maybe a small kitten might be bruised...
[14:31:17] <jkridner> probably makes little difference. hopefully you still have the SD card image that you downloaded you can use to start over again if you misconfigured anything.
[14:31:20] <mnemoc> thanks for the clarification, I thought wine was more like an interpreter of instructions
[14:31:43] <jkridner> av500: I just put in yet-another-application to get ownership of this channel.
[14:31:49] <av500> ok
[14:31:58] <jkridner> are the admins in #freenode?
[14:32:03] <BeagleVictory> jkridner, yes i have the image stored
[14:32:06] <av500> go have a look
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[14:32:39] <mnemoc> jkridner: there is a #freenode channel full of them
[14:33:25] <mnemoc> err, misread :(
[14:33:33] * mnemoc goes for more coffee
[14:33:38] <aholler> who owns this channel?
[14:33:59] <av500> nobody
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[14:35:15] <av500> whoever created it logged out and it lost op
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[14:35:35] <aholler> hmm, yes, chanserv doesn't know #beagle
[14:36:35] <jkridner> av500: that was me.
[14:36:50] * av500 blames jkridner
[14:36:58] * jkridner accepts blame.
[14:37:04] * av500 blames jkridner even more
[14:37:42] <aholler> registering it with chanserv should avoid such.
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[14:38:48] <mru> yeah, but nobody did that
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[14:39:46] <aholler> happens ;)
[14:41:43] <mnemoc> by freenode rules it would have ended been ##beagle probably
[14:42:21] <aholler> ?
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[14:43:07] <mnemoc> they have some very annoying procedures for "official" channels
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[14:44:31] <aholler> then let it be unofficial, but some people should have the rights to get op ;)
[14:45:33] * aholler remembers times before things like chanserv
[14:47:42] <aholler> someone could disconnect all people here ;)
[14:48:02] * jkridner /boot aholler
[14:48:08] <jkridner> hmmm.... didn't work. :)
[14:48:21] <aholler> you need a big fat connection ;)
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[14:54:15] <BeagleVictory> jkridner, http://pastebin.com/x0WjvZxE the bootup log
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[14:56:01] <jkridner> ah, looks like perhaps you never waited long enough the first time you booted for the image to complete configuration.
[14:56:27] <jkridner> either that, or there is an error in one of the packages.
[14:56:51] <BeagleVictory> ok..
[14:57:49] <jkridner> koen: can you peak at the above boot log and guess why /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree-en@shaw.xml might have bad data?
[14:58:12] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: your log is also cut off here. any reason why?
[14:58:35] <BeagleVictory> jkridner, yes, it hang here
[14:58:50] <BeagleVictory> have waited like five minutes now
[14:58:50] <jkridner> BeagleVictory: I suggest reimaging your SD card and waiting for all the configuration steps to complete. The first time you boot a new image, depending on the speed of your card, it might take a few hours.
[14:59:38] <aholler> any explanation what happens during those time? isn't it possible to build a ready-to-use image?
[14:59:43] <BeagleVictory> ok, the first time it took like three minutes to boot and get the console
[14:59:49] <jkridner> might be a really slow SD card. these configuration steps are quite lengthy. after it completes the first time, it will boot quickly next time.
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[15:00:35] <koen> aholler: mostly gconftool2 populating the gnome registry
[15:01:01] <aholler> ah, that stupid registry.
[15:01:16] <av500> arent they all stupid?
[15:01:27] <jkridner> aholler: I have a demo image that is pre-booted up at http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext, but it is a bit old now.
[15:01:28] <koen> this one is xml based
[15:01:35] <koen> so it get extra stupid credits
[15:01:39] <aholler> av500: yes, nobody learned from windows
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[15:02:13] <jkridner> any way to get it to run in a cross environment to avoid the big first-time startup penalty?
[15:02:41] <aholler> offer an image where it is already done, e.g. by using qemu.
[15:02:53] <aholler> or a real beagle
[15:03:08] <av500> jkridner: just use KDE and not gnome
[15:03:18] <aholler> or that. ;)
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[15:03:53] <av500> so XML is not x86 vs arm compatible?
[15:04:30] <koen> not sure if gconftool supports sysroots
[15:05:21] <aholler> konsole is much better than the gnome-terminal ;)
[15:05:34] <koen> try crosscompiling kde
[15:05:46] <av500> koen: well, soon there will be omap5 and it will be fast for everybody...
[15:05:47] <koen> pretty much every bit needs a native copy of itself
[15:06:05] <aholler> av500: omap5 will speed up sd-cards?
[15:06:06] <koen> why use sed or tr when you can write a QT apps to do that?
[15:06:46] <aholler> I thought cross-compiling is easy? ;)
[15:07:04] <mru> it is
[15:07:07] <koen> it is
[15:07:10] <av500> yes, but not cross-configuring
[15:07:13] <mru> that too
[15:07:16] <koen> but kde makes it too tedious
[15:07:31] <koen> you have to build a complete native kde to cross build one
[15:07:38] <mru> perl is evil, but that's about it
[15:07:53] <mru> and kde is evil by definition
[15:08:08] <av500> mru: I meant cross-setting-up-gnome-at-first-booting
[15:08:27] * aholler uses kde all the time, since 12a or so
[15:08:47] <koen> I stopped using kde when it crashed and lost my settings
[15:09:14] <aholler> kde4 was a bit painful
[15:09:18] <koen> that was 1998 or so
[15:09:37] <koen> maybe it has improved in the past decade
[15:11:03] <av500> koen: it was verschlimmbessert like all the linux desktop foo
[15:11:04] <aholler> it still happens, e.g. when your drive is full
[15:12:31] <koen> the problem with kde back then was that all the default settings were shit
[15:12:36] <koen> *all* of them
[15:12:51] <koen> and I didn't want to spend weeks tweaking them all over again
[15:12:55] <mru> they still are afaik
[15:13:09] <aholler> and that you've never tried to use kde again speaks for you ;)
[15:13:11] <koen> and I hate that shiny "oxygen" look
[15:13:19] <mru> gnome is different, there they're not settings, just shit
[15:13:26] <koen> so I went back to afterstep
[15:13:44] <mru> heh, I used that too in the 90s
[15:13:47] <aholler> just use emacs, no need fo an additional wm ;)
[15:17:54] <koen> wtf?
[15:18:02] <koen> latest afterstep release is from January 15, 2011
[15:21:58] <aholler> oh, friday is the 1.4. ;)
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[15:35:08] <mru> koen: sometimes I get the impressions old projects merely pretend to live on by rerunning autoconf and posting a tarball once or twice a year
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[15:35:40] <koen> mru: exactly
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[15:36:05] <koen> mru: does that mean that ffmpeg is switching to autotools?
[15:36:06] <mru> the question is why
[15:36:17] <koen> (not libav, ffmpeg)
[15:36:24] <mru> heh
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[16:10:45] <_av500_> koen: nah, scons
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[16:14:07] <woglinde> re
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[16:15:42] <woglinde> I first swa kde 1997 or so and laught at it, seeing 4dwm before
[16:15:46] <ds2> mmmmm scons
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[16:18:04] <woglinde> hm yes scons
[16:18:36] <woglinde> disko-framework is using scons
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[16:29:01] <aholler> scons = ever growing cache
[16:30:44] <ds2> what do you call $OEDIR? :D
[16:31:20] <aholler> don't know that
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[16:36:09] <prpplague> jkridner: ping
[16:36:13] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ping
[16:36:53] <prpplague> jkridner|work: rev B if the trainer is nearing completion, you have any additional fixes/changes needed?
[16:37:28] <prpplague> jkridner|work: http://pastebin.com/cs1cy97r
[16:39:01] <Guest16945> hi guys, maybe somebody know the problem i'm facing a can tell me something. i flashed my beagleboard with kernel 29 and use android as file system. everything goes ok and i can boot but android cant start
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[16:40:01] <woglinde> wrong kernel?
[16:40:27] <Guest16945> i dont know
[16:40:42] <Guest16945> i can acess everything inside
[16:40:48] * woglinde either
[16:41:04] <woglinde> I dont think android is usefull on beagle
[16:41:34] <Guest16945> i use it with mmc, but tried to flash it
[16:41:40] <woglinde> why?
[16:41:41] <Guest16945> with no sucess
[16:41:45] <woglinde> sd is good
[16:42:11] <Guest16945> i was trying to eliminate the sd card from the board
[16:42:35] <woglinde> what was the nand 512?
[16:42:37] <woglinde> or 256?
[16:42:45] <Guest16945> it was 256
[16:42:49] <woglinde> thats to small for 5 android apps
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[16:44:02] <Guest16945> strange, because i did it with 0xdroid and worked, but if i try my embinux version i cant run android
[16:44:47] <_av500_> and why not ask embinux?
[16:45:26] <Guest16945> they dont know
[16:46:09] <prpplague> if anyone is using the TCT trainerboard, and has comments on fixes, now is the time: http://pastebin.com/cs1cy97r
[16:47:06] <_av500_> Guest16945: then dont use embinux
[16:47:46] <Flipo> Hello, my beagleboard started displahing over-current messages with the serial cable
[16:48:02] <Flipo> on google groups they say to request an RMA' that would be with digikey ?
[16:48:57] <woglinde> what is over-current msg?
[16:49:35] <Flipo> [ 239.230712] hub 2-2:1.0: over-current change on port 3
[16:49:46] <Flipo> repeated indifinatly
[16:49:54] <woglinde> uh intressting
[16:50:00] <woglinde> neverheard of it yet
[16:50:31] <Flipo> woglinde: it's exactely this issue: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/514999fe135f0d13
[16:50:40] <Guest16945> i tried to flash this version because i have customized drivers for some hardware, so migrating everything will get so much time
[16:51:26] <woglinde> hm ah its an Xm problem
[16:51:42] <woglinde> flipo dont know maybee jkrinder or koen can comment
[16:51:57] <woglinde> This indicates that either too much current is being consumed by whatever is
[16:52:11] <woglinde> plugged into that port or the power FET for the USB port has been damaged
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[17:07:04] <jkridner|work> prpplague: I'd suggest it ship with an SD card that has some code to talk to the AVR!
[17:07:42] <jkridner|work> I think it is likely not that difficult to talk to the AVR, but I get little 10 minute bursts of free time.
[17:08:25] <jkridner|work> that is just about the time it takes to gather up all the cables again and plug everything in and executed 2-3 commands.
[17:08:32] <prpplague> jkridner|work: not sure what type of code you are refering to, are you talking about code to upload programs to the avr?
[17:08:45] <jkridner|work> yeah.
[17:09:09] <prpplague> jkridner|work: http://www.elinux.org/Avrgal
[17:09:09] <jkridner|work> something that gets me to where I can write a dummy LED blinking app on the AVR.
[17:09:23] <jkridner|work> is that a lot better than avrdude?
[17:09:54] <prpplague> jkridner|work: it is smaller, easiest to cross compile, and hardcoded to work on the beagle talking to the avr
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[17:10:14] <prpplague> jkridner|work: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/09/playing-with-the-arduino-compatible.html
[17:10:22] <prpplague> jkridner|work: brian, descibes using avrgal
[17:10:48] <jkridner|work> I can't opkg install it. :(
[17:11:38] <prpplague> jkridner|work: iirc koen has already added that to the oe angstrom builds
[17:12:17] * prpplague looks
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[17:13:32] <jkridner|work> avrdude shows up at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/, but not avrgal
[17:13:57] <woglinde> hi djwillis
[17:14:37] <jkridner|work> my wlan connection isn't the most stable for some reason, but I have started to move to using wlan for networking on my BeagleBoards.
[17:14:50] <jkridner|work> iw seems to be much nicer to use than iwconfig.
[17:15:12] <prpplague> jkridner|work: hmm, i thought koen added it
[17:15:26] <prpplague> jkridner|work: oh well, anyway, avrgal is the easiest to use
[17:15:42] * jkridner|work looks on http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/
[17:17:08] <prpplague> jkridner|work: https://www.gitorious.net/hacks/avrgal
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[17:17:19] <prpplague> jkridner|work: looks like he added a repo for it
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[17:26:41] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i suspect koen has a recipe that he hasn't pushed
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[17:27:12] <jkridner|work> perhaps.
[17:27:22] <prpplague> jkridner|work: please note that avrgal and avrdude uploading via the uart requires a bootloader be installed on the avr
[17:27:34] <prpplague> jkridner|work: which the trainer is normally shipped with
[17:28:05] <prpplague> jkridner|work: it is easy to cross compile if you want to test it
[17:28:14] <jkridner|work> does it require the ISP to program the bootloader, or can that be done with the beagleboard?
[17:28:54] <jkridner|work> also, will hardware ship for mounting the boards together?
[17:29:00] <jkridner|work> mine didn't come with hardware.
[17:29:10] <prpplague> jkridner|work: if the avr doesn't have a bootloader it needs to be programmed via the ISP
[17:29:24] <prpplague> jkridner|work: it should have come with hardware
[17:29:29] <jkridner|work> :( would I have to make an ISP?
[17:30:17] <prpplague> jkridner|work: if you haven't erased the avr on the trainer with an ISP, it should still have a bootloader installed
[17:30:36] <prpplague> jkridner|work: all trainers(after the first 50 or so) have shipped with a bootloader pre-installed
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[17:31:28] <prpplague> jkridner|work: since you don't have an ISP, i would assume you haven't erased the bootloader
[17:31:37] <prpplague> jkridner|work: but here is the one i recommend - http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9825
[17:40:15] <prpplague> jkridner|work: let me know if you have any questions or need help
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[17:44:50] <prpplague> koen: ping
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[17:47:05] <koen> prpplague: pong
[17:47:18] <prpplague> koen: avrgal for oe? did you have a recipe?
[17:47:46] <koen> I looked at I haven't
[17:47:49] <koen> only avrdude
[17:48:00] <prpplague> koen: ahh ok
[17:48:43] <prpplague> koen: jkridner|work was concerned that he could not use opkg to install avrgal
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[17:50:42] <MAAllard> Hello guys, I just installed my first beagleboard and have a problem, so excuse me if it sound stupid... I'm booting on a SD card and the kernel seems to be loading but it get stuck on the step : [ 17.329559] Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2...
[17:50:55] <prpplague> koen: guess i could give it a try
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[17:56:28] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i don't currently have oe installed, i'll need to get setup to do a build and test
[17:57:13] <jkridner|work> prpplague: understood. if I get a chance to try it, I'll let you know when I'm starting.
[17:57:42] <prpplague> jkridner|work: should be able to use the devmem2 recipe as a base with minimal changes
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[18:01:00] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'm going to give rusty the OK to cut revB loose
[18:01:26] <prpplague> koen: unless you have anything else - http://pastebin.com/cs1cy97r
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[18:04:05] <aholler> hmm, maybe usage of an atmel with usb. ;)
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[18:05:21] <prpplague> aholler: not sure i understand, could you explain with more details
[18:06:18] <aholler> an atmega32u4 or something like that ;)
[18:07:19] <prpplague> aholler: right i am familiar with the avr parts, but i am not sure what you have in mind as a usage case
[18:07:34] <prpplague> aholler: what would you be using the usb aspect for?
[18:08:41] <aholler> to communicate with the beagle/pc. or to get rif of the need for a serial by using an hid-bootprog.
[18:08:49] <aholler> s/rif/rid/
[18:09:40] <prpplague> aholler: how does that provide a benefit over the existing configuration? with the usb connection you lose one of your usb host ports
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[18:13:19] <aholler> yes. but you could still use rs232. the usb just gives some more flexibility. ok, not together with a beagle but for standalone stuff an atmel with usb integrated is nice. so a board on the beagle would be a good playground for a final design.
[18:13:38] <aholler> but it's usage would be limited as the beagle already has usb, thats true ;)
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[18:17:50] <prpplague> aholler: ahh
[18:18:18] <prpplague> aholler: well for revB of the trainer we've add a header so you can use the uart from either the beagle or avr via a header
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[18:21:19] <aholler> build a beagle-avr-prog-station using one atmel as isp-prog an some sockets ;)
[18:21:39] <prpplague> aholler: to what end?
[18:22:07] <prpplague> aholler: you can already get an ISP for $15.00USD
[18:22:54] <aholler> i know.
[18:23:46] <prpplague> aholler: sorry, i guess i did not understand your statement
[18:24:15] <aholler> it was just brainstorming
[18:24:33] <aholler> throwing maybe stupid ideas into the room
[18:25:13] <prpplague> aholler: ahh
[18:27:36] <_av500_> somehow i now think the next bb should have 5v ios
[18:28:03] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
[18:28:07] <_av500_> because ppl hook up an arduion over a usb2serial to get a simple adc reading to the bb
[18:28:24] <_av500_> and are proud of it
[18:28:41] <prpplague> _av500_: hehe that something someone posted?
[18:28:46] <_av500_> yes
[18:28:47] <mru> http://xkcd.com/763/
[18:28:51] <prpplague> _av500_: url?
[18:29:14] <_av500_> i think it was on bb ml
[18:29:20] <_av500_> can look it up later
[18:29:31] <prpplague> _av500_: thanks, i'll google as well
[18:29:56] <_av500_> prpplague: the simple adc was an accelero but still
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[18:33:00] <_av500_> prpplague: http://antipastohw.blogspot.com/2010/06/two-open-source-worlds-collide-using.html
[18:33:12] <aholler> 5v ios/i2c would be usefull for many things
[18:33:54] <_av500_> read the 1st comment
[18:35:12] <_av500_> AWESOME
[18:35:59] <aholler> the problem would be that would have to learn how to use gpios/i2c on the beagle ;)
[18:36:10] <aholler> s/that/that people/
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[21:51:12] <djlewis_> av500: its easier to use the trainer with its onboard avr/ard wiener
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[22:10:39] <prpplague> trainer revB is off for production
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[23:16:35] <onur_> hello, i want to use user button to start a program. how would i do that?
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[23:24:20] <djlewis_> that sounds like a school project
[23:27:51] <rcn-ee> it is that time of year, senior design's are due.. :)
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[23:28:20] <djlewis_> some of these senior design projects seem far too simple
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[23:29:37] <rcn-ee> i agree..
[23:30:36] <djlewis_> time to head home, later...
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[23:52:59] <Ceriand|work> does anyone know if the UHH_SYSCONFIG.SOFTRESET bit does nothing?
[23:53:13] <Ceriand|work> because that's what it appears to do
[23:54:54] <mru> what did you expect it to do?
[23:55:17] <Ceriand|work> according to the TRM, it's supposed to auto-clear when it's done resetting
[23:56:00] <Ceriand|work> and it doesn't appear to reset any of the registers either
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