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  • [00:01:13] <aholler> anyway, I don't see why something like should be needed for the kernel. almost no sw-project has such a good infrastructure where people could add their stuff.
  • [00:01:23] <aholler> like yocto
  • [00:06:16] <aholler> imho the only reason why companies aren't doing this, is because it costs time and therefor money. bad hacks are cheaper.
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  • [00:09:55] <SPow> do you need mingetty to perform autologin or is there another option that does not involve installing ?
  • [00:11:03] <aholler> you could just start a shell
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  • [00:12:31] <SPow> in inittab ?
  • [00:12:42] <SPow> that would type root/root ?
  • [00:13:13] <aholler> e.g. but there is no need for init/inittab.
  • [00:14:21] <aholler> init=/bin/sh and you are done
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  • [00:15:08] <SPow> mmh yeah nice technique thanks :)
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  • [00:17:35] <aholler> it's an easy way to get root on every linux if e.g. grub isn't password protected and you can boot such a machine
  • [00:17:53] <SPow> yeah i'm reading an article about that
  • [00:18:21] <SPow> but apprently on standard systems you only get a limited system by doing so
  • [00:18:57] <SPow> this is quite a security hole :O
  • [00:19:39] <SPow> though I guess any decent sysadmin knows the trick
  • [00:20:16] <aholler> they should, but physical access as almost always a key to get root
  • [00:20:26] <aholler> s/as/is/
  • [00:23:34] <SPow> yeah, one could just reset the password anyways
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  • [01:03:38] <mru> with physical access any unencrypted system can be broken into easily
  • [01:04:53] <mru> at my university they had some linux machines with a lilo password
  • [01:05:05] <mru> the password was stored in plain text in /etc/lilo.conf
  • [01:05:12] <mru> readable for anyone
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  • [01:05:24] <ds2> was it even mode 666?
  • [01:05:31] <mru> there was just one catch: it contained some non-ascii characters
  • [01:05:40] <mru> so even knowing it you had no way of typing it
  • [01:06:04] <ds2> can you say alt-numeric keypad keys?
  • [01:06:10] <mru> no at lilo prompt
  • [01:06:13] <mru> *not
  • [01:06:26] <mru> that's a dos/windows thing
  • [01:06:43] <ds2> i am almost sure it is a bios thing
  • [01:06:47] <ds2> anyways
  • [01:07:07] <SPow> so how did the admin type his pwd ? ^^
  • [01:07:32] <mru> they didn't need to
  • [01:07:44] <mru> if necessary, they'd pull the disk I guess
  • [01:08:10] <mru> the admins were competent
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  • [01:08:17] <mru> they wouldn't be tricked by alt-numbers
  • [01:08:28] <SPow> in my school before I got the student's union's website control, the whole passwords of all the students was accessible in clear by anyone \o/
  • [01:09:05] <mru> the lilo password was "r??ksm??rg??s" btw
  • [01:09:28] <SPow> bring a norvegian keyboard
  • [01:09:32] <SPow> ^^
  • [01:09:39] <mru> that's swedish
  • [01:09:48] <mru> norwegian doesn't have all those letters
  • [01:09:58] <mru> and lilo used us english layout anyway
  • [01:10:14] <mru> you should know the keyboards only differ in the paint job
  • [01:10:40] <ds2> aren't the .. and donuts on those european keyboards?
  • [01:10:47] <mru> irrelevant
  • [01:10:49] <SPow> mru > ?
  • [01:10:53] <ds2> the bios
  • [01:11:06] <ds2> lilo at that stage should still be int 10 bound
  • [01:11:13] <mru> if lilo decides to decode the scancodes as us english, that's what you get
  • [01:11:47] <SPow> yeah but that does only make kb 'identical' in this case
  • [01:11:48] <mru> bios does not decode the raw scan codes
  • [01:12:20] <mru> and there is no code that lilo would map to ??, ??, or ??
  • [01:12:23] <mru> so it's safe
  • [01:13:41] <mru> regardless, there wasn't that much you'd be able to do by breaking into those machines
  • [01:13:51] <mru> you still wouldn't have any kerberos tickets
  • [01:14:18] <ds2> good for trojans
  • [01:16:42] <mru> they also routinely re-imaged the disks, just to be sure
  • [01:16:55] <mru> all in all, it was a reasonably secure system
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  • [01:17:03] <mru> and there wasn't much of a threat anyway
  • [01:17:47] <mru> not from physical tampering
  • [01:18:53] <SPow> arg 2:18 AM hadn't seen geez gotta wake up in 4 hours ... again
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  • [01:18:57] <SPow> gn guys
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  • [02:02:10] <nndhawan> what is the sysroots folder in your tmp directory in your oe build directory? Does changes to this folder get reflected in your compilation?
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  • [02:23:30] <jronald> Never mind I figured it out...
  • [02:24:30] <jronald> echo -n 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1/bConfigurationValue did the trick.
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  • [02:58:03] <nndhawan> what is the sysroots folder??!
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  • [05:54:01] <aarti> hi all I am able to write data to serial port of beagle-xm but not able to read it. pls help me out
  • [05:54:28] <NotTooDumb3> which protocol are you using?
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  • [06:11:33] <bernard_> aarti: sounds like you have flow control turned on
  • [06:11:43] <bernard_> (on one end, but not the other)
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  • [06:27:09] <GGuyZ> Morning
  • [06:27:45] <GGuyZ> Does anyone remember how to point opkg to the US servers of angstrom repo? The speed is awful on the european servers..
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  • [06:59:26] <thurbad> check the front page at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
  • [07:10:00] <aarti> bernard_, no I ahve disable it
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  • [08:31:52] <woglinde> gm
  • [08:32:05] <buZz> gg
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  • [08:39:19] <woglinde> hi ant
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  • [09:13:50] <GGuyZ> thurbad: Thanks. got it to work by adding us. manually
  • [09:14:18] <woglinde> hi GGuyZ
  • [09:14:27] <GGuyZ> I'm also trying to build omapfbplay, and getting 'Not display driver found'. I'm using the latest git snapshot.
  • [09:14:46] <woglinde> build?
  • [09:14:57] <GGuyZ> Compile
  • [09:14:59] <woglinde> the ipk is to old?
  • [09:15:02] <GGuyZ> And hi woglinde
  • [09:15:18] <GGuyZ> I installed the binary using opkg, that's not the issue
  • [09:15:23] <GGuyZ> I'm trying to compile the source
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  • [09:15:31] <GGuyZ> Since I'm gonna use that code as a reference
  • [09:15:44] <woglinde> ?
  • [09:15:59] <av500> GGuyZ: you have to state the drivers to use on the make command line
  • [09:16:02] <woglinde> dont forget the license
  • [09:16:06] <av500> GGuyZ: have a look at the .bb file for it
  • [09:16:16] <av500> woglinde: the licence is quite permissive
  • [09:16:23] <GGuyZ> woglinde: I'm not copying, or doing anything commercial. Just trying to learn how it works
  • [09:16:46] <woglinde> hi av500 btw.
  • [09:16:48] <av500> GGuyZ: buy mru a beer :)
  • [09:17:00] <av500> or send him HW
  • [09:17:02] <GGuyZ> av500: He wrote it?
  • [09:17:08] <av500> omapfbplay? yes
  • [09:17:13] <GGuyZ> Guinness on me then :D
  • [09:17:34] <woglinde> av500 who are now the good guys at ffmpeg/libav?
  • [09:17:50] <woglinde> guinness?
  • [09:17:57] <av500> ah, politiks
  • [09:18:04] <GGuyZ> av500: Sorry for the dumb question, where do I find the related .bb?
  • [09:18:05] <woglinde> av500 ah not really
  • [09:18:20] <woglinde> oe git server
  • [09:18:31] <GGuyZ> http://www.robertgapfrost.com/media/blogs/Wine/beer/guinness.jpg
  • [09:18:32] <koen> woglinde: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=a96b9ad7525812574d7b719241472fc0e9e95b83
  • [09:19:07] <woglinde> args
  • [09:19:29] * woglinde shakes fist at the dsl line
  • [09:19:42] <woglinde> I am back in 30 secs
  • [09:20:23] <NotTooDumb3> av500, is there anything wrong if i do #define CONFIG_ARCH_OMAP1 before #ifdef of it to get omapfb to work in place of omapfb2? why can't i define it in .h and .c files only at 3 places it was #ifdef..compilation failed when i did this change
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  • [09:21:11] <koen> NotTooDumb3: not if you buy an omap1710
  • [09:21:17] <woglinde_> re
  • [09:21:18] <av500> NotTooDumb3: you are not supposed to change any .c or .h files
  • [09:21:24] <av500> just change the kernel config
  • [09:21:31] <woglinde_> GGuyZ I like killkenny more
  • [09:21:46] <woglinde_> koen ah right
  • [09:21:51] <woglinde_> I saw the commit
  • [09:21:59] <NotTooDumb3> i did not find options like omapfb or omap2fb in menuconfig only framebuffer i found in menuconfig, which anyway was selected
  • [09:22:11] <woglinde_> 2.2.12?
  • [09:22:20] <NotTooDumb3> koen, i only have C3..so i can not do that now
  • [09:22:48] <woglinde_> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/ffmpeg/omapfbplay-cmem_git.bb
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  • [09:24:51] <koen> GGuyZ: have a look at http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/ffmpeg/omapfbplay.inc
  • [09:24:54] <dm8tbr> http://www.ergotron.com/Products/tabid/65/PRDID/196/Default.aspx - something for the animal-board-wall
  • [09:26:05] <GGuyZ> woglinde_: Different strokes... Irish beers ftw
  • [09:26:46] <koen> dm8tbr: we tried something like that
  • [09:26:53] <koen> dm8tbr: that will last one tradeshow
  • [09:27:16] <av500> dm8tbr: the current TI wall will outlast TI by a decade
  • [09:27:21] <GGuyZ> koen & av500: thanks. Maybe I'm missing something, but I tried doing 'make OMAPFB=y NETSYNC=y -e'
  • [09:27:27] <NotTooDumb3> av500, is it arch/arm/Kconfig the one i need to change to change the kernel config?
  • [09:27:33] <dm8tbr> yes, the TI wall at FOSDEM looked a lot more sturdy
  • [09:27:34] <av500> NotTooDumb3: no
  • [09:27:55] <av500> NotTooDumb3: you are supposed to use google and find out how a linux kernel is configured
  • [09:28:02] <koen> dm8tbr: but I must admit that the dell screens we used were *heavy*
  • [09:28:20] <GGuyZ> I'm now receiving 'no pixel converter found'
  • [09:29:01] <dm8tbr> koen: ah, ok
  • [09:29:20] <dm8tbr> I must say I liked the Ad-hoc design by av500 though :)
  • [09:29:25] <GGuyZ> I guess it's something to do with OMAPFBPLAYVARIANT ?= "${PN}" ?
  • [09:29:57] <koen> that;s just for packaging
  • [09:30:21] <av500> dm8tbr: mine fits in a suitcase, TIs fits into a bus
  • [09:30:44] <av500> at least the bus is self powered :)
  • [09:31:37] <GGuyZ> I'm not sure how to further read these recipes. How do I define a pixel converter using simple 'make' (if that's possible)
  • [09:32:17] <NotTooDumb3> av500, it must be using make menuconfig or make ARCH=arm menuconfig..is this correct?
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  • [09:32:48] <av500> NotTooDumb3: that is one way, yes
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  • [09:34:18] <NotTooDumb3> is that the preferable way? other way might be we can directly edit .config file
  • [09:35:32] <av500> editing the config file will not resolve the dependencies
  • [09:36:11] <NotTooDumb3> ok..
  • [09:37:00] <av500> NotTooDumb3: to be blunt, not having the slightest clue about how linux kernel development works is not a good prerequisite for what you are up to
  • [09:37:09] <av500> and this channel is not #linux_for_newbies
  • [09:37:56] <woglinde_> av500 automatic generatic driver tool is for newbies or not?
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  • [09:39:09] <NotTooDumb3> ok, i agree i am going through linux book too, but i need some practice to learn linux..is there anyway to revert the changes done to the angstrom source or config files without doing from beginning? like defconfig kind of thing
  • [09:40:01] <woglinde_> http://bec-systems.com/site/456/capture-oe-source-changes
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  • [09:41:22] <NotTooDumb3> woglinde_, thank you
  • [09:41:56] <woglinde_> hms
  • [09:42:15] <woglinde_> git send-mail does not what I want
  • [09:43:44] <GGuyZ> Alright, got it, thanks guys
  • [09:44:01] <GGuyZ> make ARCH=arm OMAPFB=y NETSYNC=y -e
  • [09:44:03] <GGuyZ> works
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  • [09:46:49] <woglinde_> no CROSS_COMPILE= ?
  • [09:47:23] <GGuyZ> wasn't required. I was compiling on the device
  • [09:48:37] <av500> GGuyZ: yes, neon pixconv is pulled in by arm
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  • [09:49:16] <GGuyZ> av500: I guess that makes sense since neon is part of arm's architecture :P
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  • [09:54:58] <av500> GGuyZ: not every arm, but omapfbplay assumes it
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  • [09:56:06] <GGuyZ> It was just a figure of speech. Generalizing it to ARM completely is like generalizing a specific ISA to all x86 processors
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  • [09:56:49] <av500> we like tio nitpick here :)
  • [09:56:51] <av500> to
  • [09:58:05] <koen> hmmm
  • [09:58:05] <aholler_> are there omaps without arm or why is that ARCH for _omap_fbplay needed? ;)
  • [09:58:14] <koen> do I send a mail to Linus saying he's wrong or not
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  • [09:59:02] <appleh4t> Will a SEIKO 70WVW1TZ3 work on a beegleboard-xm?
  • [09:59:04] <av500> aholler: because it runs on X86 as well
  • [09:59:15] <av500> koen: url?
  • [09:59:16] <woglinde> appleh4t whats that?
  • [09:59:36] <koen> av500: the merge thread on l-o
  • [09:59:36] <appleh4t> a 7inch Touch Screen - they sell it for the IGEPv2
  • [09:59:43] <koen> av500: netra has the same ip block
  • [09:59:51] <av500> gimme a topic
  • [10:00:05] <koen> GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window
  • [10:00:15] <koen> appleh4t: if you have an adaptor board, yes
  • [10:01:03] <av500> koen: ah, in l-a here
  • [10:01:32] <koen> av500: cross posted to a lot of lists
  • [10:01:58] <koen> av500: netra has the same IP block, but the netra kernel team isn't keen on upstreaming their code
  • [10:02:21] <woglinde> appleh4t it should work
  • [10:02:34] <woglinde> appleh4t usb?
  • [10:02:35] <appleh4t> http://shop.igep.es/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_5&products_id=41
  • [10:02:44] <appleh4t> thats the screen
  • [10:03:10] <woglinde> ah hm
  • [10:03:20] <appleh4t> Im pretty sure I could get a Xanarc screen thats USB and make it work, but a screen that runs off the LCD connectors would be better (and cheaper)
  • [10:03:22] <woglinde> sorry
  • [10:03:29] <woglinde> not shure about the connectors
  • [10:04:10] <woglinde> Compatible with: IGEPv2 - Expansion board
  • [10:04:13] <woglinde> so no
  • [10:04:21] <GGuyZ> Alright, duty calls. Thanks for the help again av500, koen, woglinde :)
  • [10:04:42] <appleh4t> The project I want to build would run android, and having brightness controlls and stuff from inside the android system would be best
  • [10:04:45] <GGuyZ> Cya later
  • [10:04:54] <woglinde> android?
  • [10:04:59] <koen> has android been ported to the beagle already?
  • [10:05:14] <appleh4t> Rowboat
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  • [10:05:47] <av500> koen: it will be all GPL soon too
  • [10:05:56] <koen> av500: so I've read
  • [10:06:31] <woglinde> on #openjdk yesterday we discussed how many stuff dalvik steals from jamvm
  • [10:07:19] <woglinde> appleh4t the question is rather why you need android?
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  • [10:10:22] <appleh4t> Because Im building an android device? =P
  • [10:10:24] <woglinde> appleh4t make a nice gui with qt quick and thats it
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  • [10:11:37] <av500> woglinde: and write an application framework from scratch?
  • [10:11:40] <av500> sure
  • [10:11:54] <appleh4t> Thats the main reason my project needs android
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  • [10:12:00] <appleh4t> I want to build a car radio (headunit)
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  • [10:12:11] <woglinde> o.O
  • [10:12:35] <appleh4t> And having Pandora and Google Navigation - not to mention 100 other useful apps - are the entire point of the idea
  • [10:12:42] <woglinde> av500 the correct answer would be "my colleagues can only eclipse"
  • [10:15:04] <NotTooDumb3> I have LDD book in my hand, going through it, still it really does not make me happy or not getting confidence that it will help my current work
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  • [10:15:19] <appleh4t> a PandaBoard may be a better option for what im wanting to do
  • [10:15:50] <woglinde> LDD?
  • [10:16:05] <av500> linuxdriverdec
  • [10:16:07] <av500> linuxdriverdev
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  • [10:16:30] <woglinde> ah from grk?
  • [10:16:58] <woglinde> problem with this books they are outdated to fast
  • [10:17:23] <av500> the concepts are not
  • [10:17:42] <av500> and since I am sure it does not contain the word OMAP at all
  • [10:17:44] <woglinde> how often the gpio api changed?
  • [10:17:50] <av500> he has to extrapolate anyway
  • [10:18:01] <woglinde> platform drivers?
  • [10:18:37] <woglinde> args
  • [10:18:40] <woglinde> stupid mailer
  • [10:18:44] <av500> while he reads it, he is quiet on irc
  • [10:20:18] <woglinde> *g*
  • [10:20:36] <woglinde> av500 he already said he gives up reading it
  • [10:21:29] <av500> i gave up on him too
  • [10:22:10] <woglinde> at least he learned something
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  • [10:25:35] <woglinde> hi drakkan1000
  • [10:25:41] <woglinde> so now the uclibc patches send
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  • [10:32:05] <drakkan1000> woglinde, hi
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  • [10:39:12] <woglinde> hm were is my coverletter gone
  • [10:39:16] <woglinde> stupid mailer
  • [10:40:47] <koen> woglinde: I've asked _roger_ to take a look at your patches
  • [10:40:57] <koen> hopefully he has some time this week
  • [10:41:02] <woglinde> sure
  • [10:41:08] <woglinde> its only a niche
  • [10:41:23] * koen stabs QT for needing >2GB of ram to link
  • [10:41:33] <woglinde> ugh
  • [10:41:48] <woglinde> how many on the disk?
  • [10:41:56] <woglinde> qemu needs over 700MB
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  • [10:52:47] <koen> 2GB of ram used, 1.2GB of swap currently
  • [10:53:06] <woglinde> ugh
  • [10:53:10] <woglinde> its webkit nor?
  • [10:54:37] <koen> qt4/e
  • [10:54:38] <av500> 2GB? you are linking in your swap partition?
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  • [11:08:23] <aholler> thats likely webkit, you could use LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads -Wl,--no-keep-memory"
  • [11:09:12] <mru> or maybe someone used -Wl,gobble-all-ram
  • [11:09:29] <aholler> newer binutils got better linking for arm too
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  • [11:09:37] <mru> koen: wasn't there something about a forgotten debugging stack dump in some PM code?
  • [11:09:47] <mru> aholler: binutils 2.21 suck
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  • [11:10:28] <mru> something doesn't mark all code as code, so disassembly is unreadable
  • [11:10:57] <aholler> I almost never read such
  • [11:11:15] <mru> how do you get anything done then?
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  • [11:11:30] <woglinde> mindcraft
  • [11:11:35] <mru> by far the quickest way to see what's going on
  • [11:13:19] <aholler> i have some special gcc-flags you don't like to generate asm with comments if I really need that, which happens about twice in 5a
  • [11:13:37] <mru> gcc asm output is practically unreadable
  • [11:13:48] <mru> too much noise
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  • [11:22:42] <rsv> how to find out where u-boot is loaded and running
  • [11:23:01] <rsv> i want to run memtest and cant find out where should i start and end
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  • [11:34:44] <koen> mru: in the panda kernel, yes
  • [11:35:03] <koen> mru: comment out the dump_stack(); (AIUI)
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  • [11:37:04] <mru> yes, this was panda
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  • [11:52:06] <NotTooDumb3> Hi all, I am really tired of reading through many materials to configure the kernel to change the default omapfb to be used as omapfb instead of omap2fb, every doc says make config(not suggested to use as we have give y or n for everything), menuconfig, gconfig, xconfig...i can see framebuffer related options but not exactly which driver to insert, am i missing to understand something really important?
  • [11:53:32] <mru> NotTooSmart3: and we're tired of people who refuse to read the good and plentiful documentation available to them and instead demand having every answer fed to them with a silver spoon
  • [11:55:08] <tasslehoff> what does MSC stand for in EV_MSC (linux/input.h)
  • [11:56:15] <NotTooDumb3> mru, I am reading materials, but really not getting confidence if i will be able to do it, as documentations say really generic and to the level of enabling frame buffer but not all beyond that
  • [11:57:22] <rsv> NotTooDumb3: why dont you try and see if it works, if it doesnt try another....
  • [11:59:00] <NotTooDumb3> rsv, True. I am annoying people around me here. but then there are no multiple things there..i see only one option..i will only have to try all options one after the other, if i have to
  • [12:00:10] <mru> he who dares not try will never learn
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  • [12:00:31] <mru> NotTooDumb3: do you know how to ride a bicycle?
  • [12:01:36] <NotTooDumb3> yes
  • [12:02:02] <mru> good, did you receive a set of instructions which allowed you to do it perfectly the first time without falling over?
  • [12:03:18] <NotTooDumb3> ok i will try all the options and learn from that, if anyone know i would like to if it's the correct path for me, DeviceDrivers->GraphicsSupport->Support for frame buffer devices ->..If any idea offhand..
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  • [12:03:56] <NotTooDumb3> mru, I agree i will have to fall if i have to say that if i have to learn...
  • [12:04:01] <mru> framebuffer options are under there, yes
  • [12:04:23] <hitlin37> maybe..he's in too hurry to finish things.......
  • [12:04:49] <mru> being in a hurry doesn't speed up learning
  • [12:04:52] <drakkan1000> Hi, I'm having some problems compiling python c extension in angstrom here is the relevant error: /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/include-fixed/limits.h:122:61: error: no include path in which to search for limits.h any hints?
  • [12:05:16] <NotTooDumb3> mru, rather it slows down learning..True..
  • [12:05:23] <hitlin37> that what's he NEEDS to understand
  • [12:05:29] <mru> drakkan1000: broken compiler or broken flags
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  • [12:06:06] <drakkan1000> mru, limits.h is in /usr/include and on the same board I compiled pyqt
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  • [12:06:26] <mru> drakkan1000: are you running this on a beagle?
  • [12:06:33] <drakkan1000> mru, yes
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  • [12:06:36] <woglinde> drakkan1000 you need to stick with gcc-4.3.3?
  • [12:06:44] <mru> woglinde: that's not his problem
  • [12:07:20] <woglinde> ugh pyqt
  • [12:07:35] <woglinde> I gave up on it
  • [12:07:43] <drakkan1000> gcc-4.3.3 is in the unstable glibc feed and as pointed by mru this not seems the problem
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  • [12:08:54] <woglinde> lunch now
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  • [12:09:40] <NotTooDumb3> I gave / to search for options in menuconfig, / takes me to a search, but CONFIG_OMAP_FB shows no option like that which i feel is not possible...is the config option for omap something else?
  • [12:10:53] <NotTooDumb3> hitlin37, True..I completely agree with you..It's HIGH high time for me to start learning..and i am in fact..only thing is learning linux really takes some time...as it's really confusing in the beginning..and thanks for your comments btw, i NEED to learn..i too agree
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  • [12:18:10] <NotTooDumb3> is it possible that when this options is not visible in my graphics support config, still my omap2fb will be included in kernel? OMAP2/3 Display Subsystem support (EXPERIMENTAL) (OMAP2_DSS [=n])..if anyone has any idea..
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  • [12:19:09] <mru> that's the one you want
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  • [12:21:32] <koen> hmmm
  • [12:21:43] <koen> no good place for the box of liquorice
  • [12:21:57] * mru suggests the rubbish bin
  • [12:22:07] <koen> the best place would block access to the mute button
  • [12:22:35] <NotTooDumb3> mru, but my omap2fb is included by default in kernel..i am searching now to include omapfb and exclude omap2fb, and seeing OMAP2_DSS [=n] is a bit confusing for me
  • [12:24:14] <koen> colour framebuffer console in uboot, wtf?
  • [12:25:30] <NotTooDumb3> koen, i did not get you..i am not trying to do colour framebuffer console in uboot
  • [12:25:32] <woglinde> koen *g*
  • [12:25:55] <woglinde> NotTooDumb3 I will give you one last hint
  • [12:26:13] <woglinde> check the Makefile and Kconfig files in the drivers dir
  • [12:26:22] <woglinde> and you will understand some more
  • [12:26:31] <NotTooDumb3> umm..Sure
  • [12:27:10] <hwoarang> i have a question regarding the interrupt controller
  • [12:27:14] <hwoarang> INTCPS_ITR[n]
  • [12:27:25] <hwoarang> n=0->M_IRQ_ 0-31
  • [12:27:28] <hwoarang> is that correct ^
  • [12:27:59] <hwoarang> the manual says that n is for the register bank but I cant find which registers are contained to each bank
  • [12:28:01] <av500> NotTooDumb3: hint: you are allowed to *read* KConfig files
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  • [12:29:16] <NotTooDumb3> .yes..I understood it's danger some time ago..i was myself not sure what i changed but bitbake was failing, then i copied config.old to config and brought it back luckily..
  • [12:29:45] <av500> reading is never danger
  • [12:29:51] <av500> well, almost never
  • [12:30:06] <NotTooDumb3> yep...! and it does not hurt also..
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  • [12:30:11] <av500> dont try to read "howto make a bomb" in a public space....
  • [12:30:25] <NotTooDumb3> he he..good..
  • [12:32:43] <woglinde> or atom power plants
  • [12:33:18] <mru> what, not read "how to make a nuclear power plant"?
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  • [12:36:41] <drakkan1000> my problem was generated by --with-build-sysroot gcc option so I need to create the path specified by that option and symlink /usr/include
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  • [12:37:17] <drakkan1000> after that I get /usr/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots
  • [12:38:41] <NotTooDumb3> I could make bit of correlation from search in make menuconfig to drivers/video/omap/dss/Makefile and that option is CFIG_OMAP2_DSS which has to be enabled now..???
  • [12:38:49] <woglinde> drakkan1000 hm why you dont let oe handle the stuff for you?
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  • [12:40:16] <drakkan1000> woglinde, cross compile is an option however seems I found a bug, previous versions worked fine now seems gcc was builded with sysroot option and the linker not. Why I cannot choice anymore if cross compile or compile on target?
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  • [12:41:33] <woglinde> drakkan1000 ah you are compiling on the target
  • [12:43:00] <arc_mat_> you people have too much time at your hands
  • [12:43:39] <woglinde> arc_mat sometimes
  • [12:44:16] <arc_mat_> it's never occoured to me attempting to compile natively on the target
  • [12:44:33] <av500> arc_mat_: cmon, we even ship gcc :)
  • [12:44:57] <arc_mat_> yes I know ;)
  • [12:45:06] <woglinde> arc_mat you dont work for cannoical
  • [12:45:31] <NotTooDumb3> av500, just one question..If i allowed to *read* KConfig files, where exactly can i set the option to y? is that only in menuconfig? I currently do not see that option in menuconfig.
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  • [12:45:49] <arc_mat_> woglinde: that is also something that never occoured to me ;)
  • [12:45:53] <woglinde> .o(mental ignore)
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  • [12:47:07] <av500> NotTooDumb3: what option?
  • [12:47:08] <arc_mat_> woglinde: I mean, I can shoehorn an ubuntu onto a beagleboard. but what for? Just to prove that it works?
  • [12:47:10] <hitlin37> NotTooDumb3:then make it visible in menuconfig
  • [12:47:33] <av500> arc_mat_: no, to prove that is does not :)
  • [12:47:40] <av500> the proof has been made already
  • [12:48:04] <av500> http://img88.imageshack.us/i/dscf5544.jpg/
  • [12:48:11] <arc_mat_> yes, I've seen that
  • [12:48:27] <arc_mat_> a geek's evening exercise
  • [12:48:55] <woglinde> *click*
  • [12:49:29] <woglinde> not 11.04?
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  • [12:53:41] <av500> arc_mat_: can u plz come back, the coffee maker says to change filter and we are helpless?
  • [12:53:55] <arc_mat_> av500: just dring your coffee unfiltered ;)
  • [12:53:57] <arc_mat_> drink
  • [12:54:44] <woglinde> just dodnt drink coffee at all
  • [12:54:54] <arc_mat_> unacceptable!
  • [12:54:55] <av500> haha
  • [12:55:00] <koen> av500: switch to mate
  • [12:55:20] <woglinde> this prevents me from cleaning the coffee maker up
  • [12:55:20] * koen checks schedule
  • [12:55:34] <koen> still enough time to make coffee before the call
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  • [12:56:04] <woglinde> and I dont get nervous when the coffee is out
  • [12:56:28] <woglinde> and yes we get Mate sponsored at work
  • [12:57:05] <NotTooDumb3> av500, CONFIG_OMAP2_DSS, thinking now that this is the one for me to switch between omapfb and omap2fb..
  • [12:57:38] <NotTooDumb3> hitlin37, I dont know if i will be able to do that...needs more grip and understanding on kernel i guess
  • [12:57:47] <av500> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
  • [12:58:45] <hitlin37> so why actually 26+26=54.....
  • [12:59:02] <hitlin37> what's the secret
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  • [13:01:10] <av500> long story
  • [13:01:20] <av500> grep the logs for 26 and 54 :)
  • [13:02:19] <hitlin37> hmmm...
  • [13:02:33] <av500> hitlin37: its not as fun afterwards I guess
  • [13:03:45] <NotTooDumb3> av500, I will..I to someextent understood how to switch between omap and omap2fb..there is a single config option for both of them..
  • [13:05:07] <woglinde> .o(he didnt understood KConfig)
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  • [13:08:51] <NotTooDumb3> woglinde, bye..i will read more to understand better..
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  • [13:23:33] <drakkan1000> koen, hi do you plan to add the --with-sysroot configure option for future binutils build?
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  • [13:24:43] <woglinde> drakkan1000 thats more an oe question
  • [13:24:54] <koen> drakkan1000: it's already there for newer toolchains :)
  • [13:26:04] <drakkan1000> koen, ok but the actual glibc build have gcc build with that option and binutils not :-( I'm not aware of solutions different from recompiling binutils, am I wrong?
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  • [13:27:33] <drakkan1000> koen, unstable glibc feed I mean
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  • [13:35:09] <supjigator> Hi.
  • [13:35:33] <supjigator> Is there a way to set the LCD sync polarity from dss2?
  • [13:36:14] <av500> over sysfs?
  • [13:37:10] <supjigator> preferably
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  • [13:37:47] <supjigator> But I'll take any method I can get. I see the register but having trouble finding how it would be set in userspace.
  • [13:38:00] <av500> you can add it to sysfs if needed
  • [13:38:55] <supjigator> Does dss currently just default it to positive? I don't see it in any of the panel drivers?
  • [13:39:28] <av500> I would have to look it up :)
  • [13:40:24] <spow_> is sakmona's gnome code public ? I think I donwloaded it once but can't find it anymore
  • [13:41:11] <supjigator> av500: Thanks for the info. I'll dig thru the code I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something already there that wasn't obvious.
  • [13:41:13] <mru> it's a nice trolling technique, put some nice but not quite working code online, wait for people to download it, then take it down again
  • [13:41:19] <spow_> the R11 I did find but not the R12, it brings me to the script page
  • [13:41:50] <av500> http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=board/ti/beagle/beagle.h;h=b0e26e5081ac48430b9e6184c09205d5362ac2f0;hb=refs/heads/gnome-r12
  • [13:43:31] <woglinde> mru *g*
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  • [14:24:56] <spow_> I'm trying to have the UART2 to work on my rev C4 and only got RX to work though I was told TX is also enabled, could someone double chack what I did ? In the BBSRM page 96 the mux pinout says that RX is on exppin 8 and TX on exppin 6, so i placed a wire between both and then did 'cat & /dev/ttyS1 > test.txt' (which gives me a permission denied error but the process keeps running) and then 'echo hello > /dev/ttyS1' but nothing is written in
  • [14:24:56] <spow_> test.txt
  • [14:26:49] <spow_> I know RX on pin 8 works for sure because I plugged a PIC onto it and got the correct output
  • [14:26:51] <mru> that's because that command doesn't do what you think it does
  • [14:27:06] <spow_> cat ?
  • [14:27:09] <mru> yes
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  • [14:28:17] <spow_> but /dev/ttyS1 could be considered as a buffer which means I should be able to cat it (i've done that with a pic and a PC before)
  • [14:29:05] <mru> yes, but the & is in the wrong place
  • [14:29:37] <spow_> oooooh
  • [14:30:16] <spow_> thanks it works now !
  • [14:30:48] <spow_> just out of curiosity, what was the command doing with the background symbol at the wrong place ?
  • [14:31:18] <mru> it ran a plain "cat" in the background, the tried to execute /dev/ttyS1
  • [14:31:21] <mru> *then
  • [14:31:44] <mru> since /dev/ttyS1 (hopefully) doesn't have execute permission, you got a permission denied error
  • [14:32:14] <mru> the > redirect operator still created test.txt since that's done by the shell before executing the command
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  • [14:33:24] <spow_> I see, thanks for pointing it out I was getting crazy over this simple matter
  • [14:34:09] <mru> the & ends the command
  • [14:34:12] <mru> just like ; does
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  • [14:34:43] <spow_> this does explain a lot ^^
  • [14:35:10] <woglinde_> >&1
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  • [14:35:37] <mru> woglinde: that & is different
  • [14:35:42] <woglinde_> sure
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  • [14:35:47] <woglinde_> but often made wrong too
  • [14:35:55] <woglinde_> including myself
  • [14:36:11] <mru> yeah, order matters when doing things like >/dev/null 2>&1
  • [14:36:34] <spow_> this is the one to concatenate stdout and stdin right ?
  • [14:36:42] <spow_> or stderr
  • [14:36:47] <mru> that one puts both stdout and stderr in /dev/null
  • [14:37:04] <mru> 2>&1 >/dev/null puts stdout in /dev/null and stderr on stdout
  • [14:37:14] <mru> useful for grepping stderr while discarding stdout
  • [14:37:51] <spow_> yeah ran accross that in a script once, tough to figure out what it means the first time
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  • [14:39:00] <mru> if you want to confuse, you can open another dozen file descriptors and redirect them into each other in elaborate ways
  • [14:40:28] <spow_> as in if you create a new file descriptor it will take 'ID' &3 ?
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  • [15:37:57] <Jesse__> Has anyone ported Android over to the XM version of the board?
  • [15:38:10] <woglinde> why?
  • [15:39:09] <Jesse__> Clean lightweight GUI built for touch
  • [15:41:16] <av500> android? many have
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  • [15:41:47] <BlInK311> TI has a prebuilt android for the xm. mostly works
  • [15:43:54] <hyrbid> Back working on embedded platforms <dusting off revC3 board> BB has come so far looking forward to getting hold of a xm.
  • [15:43:59] <koen> there really is an android port for beagle?
  • [15:44:14] <koen> why are people still porting it?
  • [15:44:32] <av500> koen: for portable things
  • [15:44:54] * koen screws on a handle
  • [15:44:58] <koen> there, portable
  • [15:45:09] <av500> the correct term is "tactical"
  • [15:45:18] <koen> tactile?
  • [15:45:43] <koen> I have some body armour here, so I can make it 'tactical' as well
  • [15:45:59] <dm8tbr> av500: and if you port android to omap5 it's a 'future disruption'?
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  • [15:47:20] <av500> koen: "tactical" means it can be brought to the enemy, "strategic" means it can be air dropped :)
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  • [15:48:29] <koen> heh
  • [15:48:57] <koen> av500: I have a type-M kind of situation in confcalls
  • [15:49:16] <koen> people know that I've dialed in from the makerbot sounds in the back
  • [15:49:16] <av500> nuke 'em
  • [15:49:33] <av500> ah
  • [15:49:36] <av500> make 'em
  • [15:50:09] <av500> koen: you still have not made me my eagleboard case!!! :((((
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  • [15:50:31] <koen> you need a case?
  • [15:50:44] <koen> I thought the board would hover in the air automatically
  • [15:53:34] <mru> koen: it's called soaring when eagles do it
  • [15:53:47] <koen> right
  • [15:53:59] <koen> soar in the air automagically
  • [15:54:50] <mru> does it give off so much heat it generates an updraught?
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  • [15:59:15] <av500> mru: almost 720p at 1ghz
  • [15:59:19] <av500> elefants dream
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  • [15:59:40] <mru> av500: doing what else?
  • [15:59:46] <av500> audio
  • [15:59:51] <mru> what audio?
  • [15:59:51] <av500> and blinking cursor
  • [15:59:56] <av500> mru: vorbis
  • [16:00:25] <av500> your perf includes yuv conv or not?
  • [16:00:48] <mru> which file are you playing?
  • [16:01:03] <av500> Elephants_Dream-720p-Stereo.webm
  • [16:01:09] <mru> and where does one find that?
  • [16:01:14] <av500> hmm
  • [16:01:27] <av500> some vp8 showcase iirc
  • [16:02:02] <av500> http://lachy.id.au/lib/media/elephantsdream/Elephants_Dream-720p-Stereo.webm
  • [16:02:11] <mru> I just googled the same url
  • [16:02:17] <av500> :)
  • [16:02:29] <av500> so you have the same google as we have
  • [16:02:46] <mru> 4th result
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  • [17:19:13] <ds2> *splat*
  • [17:20:01] <sakoman__> ds2: was that a rain drop I heard?
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  • [17:26:28] <jkridner|work> mru, Crofton|work, RP__, _av500_, dvhart, sakoman: just caught up on yesterday's Yocto & OE discussion. I'm in the "we can make commercial and community coexist" camp and look forward to working out a lot of the details at ELC. it is good that people are speaking frankly and I suspect that the important stuff will be worked out over beers!
  • [17:26:46] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [17:26:51] <Crofton|work> interesting discussion
  • [17:27:21] <jkridner|work> yeah, seems like some good stuff was aired. i think it is the right people involved to make it work and it is all about the people.
  • [17:29:20] <sakoman__> jkridner|work: I guess I missed the discussion! Where did it happen?
  • [17:29:20] <RP__> jkridner|work: agreed, I think we will get this all worked out and ELC seems like a good place to do it :)
  • [17:29:30] <jkridner|work> to the companies we just need to be able to stand up an say "if you get your code here: XYZ to work the way you want your customers to experience it, then you will benefit". I think we can get there. just getting basic stuff to work is a bad differentiator.
  • [17:29:45] <jkridner|work> sakoman__: here... look at yesterday's log...
  • [17:29:53] <sakoman__> will do
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  • [17:30:06] <Crofton|work> maybe some ideas for your panel
  • [17:30:07] <jkridner|work> i was on-line for part of it, but had to step away and didn't want to get in the middle if I wasn't going to be able to stick around.
  • [17:30:20] <Crofton|work> that didn't stop me :)
  • [17:30:37] <Crofton|work> ok, looking at taking the red eye coming back from elc
  • [17:30:47] <Crofton|work> trying not to lose an entire day traveling
  • [17:32:16] <ds2> sakoman__: Hopefully... are you innundated with white stuff?
  • [17:33:04] <sakoman__> ds2: no, not at all! It is almost 50F, a bit too warm for snow!
  • [17:33:32] <jkridner|work> much warmer here! :)
  • [17:33:37] <Crofton|work> sakoman__, you are at collab on Wendesday?
  • [17:33:39] <sakoman__> ds2: lots of wind & rain today though. I think snow level is at 3500ft
  • [17:33:40] <ds2> sakoman__: ah. might be headed over to SAC this weekend
  • [17:34:13] * jkridner|work is overlooking the pacific coast of Costa Rica. :)
  • [17:34:17] <ds2> jkridner|work: is the ELC session you referring to an officially scheduled session or just a gathering after the talks to hash things out?
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  • [17:34:40] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: yes, I'll be there at least on the 6th & 7th
  • [17:34:42] <ds2> jkridner|work: speaking of .cr, Diego was looking for you
  • [17:34:53] <Crofton|work> just booking oplane ticket now
  • [17:34:59] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: will be driving down on the 5th
  • [17:35:30] <sakoman__> There is supoosed to be a yocto dinner, but haven't heard which evening yet
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  • [17:36:03] <jkridner|work> Crofton|work: I'm currently scheduled to fly out at noon on April 14, so I think I should be good for ELC events.
  • [17:36:05] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: I won't be staying for ECS. Too much expense
  • [17:36:21] <jkridner|work> ddompe: ping
  • [17:36:22] <Crofton|work> I have to speak at elc
  • [17:36:27] <sakoman__> err . . . ELC :-)
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  • [17:37:20] <ds2> sakoman__: commuting back and forth for ELC?
  • [17:38:04] <sakoman__> ds2: no, I can't afford to -- neither the travel expense, nor the lost billable hours :-)
  • [17:38:27] <sakoman__> So I will just attend the Linux Collaboration Summit
  • [17:38:39] <ds2> sakoman__: doing your share to get the state out of debt? :D
  • [17:38:59] * sakoman__ is very civic minded :-)
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  • [17:42:06] <ddompe> jkridner|work: pong
  • [17:42:22] <ddompe> jkridner|work: I was picturing you should be somewhere on the beach now, not on IRC
  • [17:42:32] <mru> can't he be both?
  • [17:42:47] <ds2> or is the wireless networks lacking there? ;)
  • [17:43:10] <sakoman__> ds2: what's happening in SAC this weekend?
  • [17:43:24] <ddompe> well, is a shame to be on both, with such a beautiful weater and beach
  • [17:43:40] <ds2> sakoman__: meeting some friends there; all central valley people
  • [17:43:40] <ddompe> I would be hiking around on the national park :)
  • [17:44:16] <ds2> ddompe: is it safe to do that? (not familiar with enough to know if the jungles are safe or not)
  • [17:44:19] <sakoman__> ds2: sadly rain in the forecast for this weekend :-(
  • [17:44:37] <_av500_> jkridner|work: i read you are airlifting me the ELC? nice thx
  • [17:45:00] <ds2> sakoman: oh well
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  • [17:45:21] <ddompe> ds2: yeah, national parks are pretty safe and fun
  • [17:45:37] <ddompe> you can watch the animals (sloths, monkeys, etc)
  • [17:45:38] <Jefro> we are sending the bay area a lot of rain. I was up half the night with thunder directly overhead. (200mi north of SF)
  • [17:46:05] <ds2> sakoman__: just to throw a spanner in the works.. I was helping staff the OE booth ;) should send a very confusing message }:-)
  • [17:46:36] <ds2> Jefro: the marin county area needs to have a nice tall mountain range to stop this sort of thing :PPP
  • [17:46:54] <ds2> ddompe: so there no rebel problem in the parks?
  • [17:47:13] <mru> ds2: depends on which side you're on
  • [17:47:21] <mru> ds2: are you a govt loyalist?
  • [17:47:21] <ddompe> ds2: rebel like what? rebel monkeys?
  • [17:47:57] <_av500_> rebel ewoks
  • [17:47:58] <ds2> ddompe: like guys with guns who kidnap tourists for random (see the episode of simpsons in Brazil)
  • [17:49:08] <ddompe> ds2: ah, not likely. I think last time that happened in CR was like 15 years ago, somewhere deep on the jungle
  • [17:49:51] <ddompe> national parks are conservation areas with park keepers and open to the public during daytime
  • [17:51:01] <ddompe> around 10% of CR land are conservation areas
  • [17:51:05] <jkridner|work> _av500_: who is feeding you stories?
  • [17:52:12] <_av500_> irc
  • [17:52:24] <_av500_> and sleep deprivation
  • [17:52:24] <jkridner|work> ddompe: I'm going on an ATV and canopy tour tomorrow and the national park on Sunday before heading back to San Jose.
  • [17:52:41] <jkridner|work> _av500_: sounds like a reliable combination. :)
  • [17:52:54] <jkridner|work> _av500_: do you have time for ELC?
  • [17:53:00] <ds2> _av500_: wasn't there talks of the OMAP666 octal core you were also going to demonstrate ? ;)
  • [17:53:16] <jkridner|work> _av500_: just looking forward to the # of beers it requires to get Yocto and OE on the same page?
  • [17:53:31] * Jefro offers to buy at least some of the beer
  • [17:53:42] <mru> it'll take a lot of beer, trust me
  • [17:53:50] <ddompe> jkridner|work: sounds good
  • [17:53:53] <_av500_> jkridner|work: i think your beerfest needs customer perspective
  • [17:54:04] * prpplague will be buying some beer as well as the Rogue brew pub
  • [17:54:21] <mru> prpplague: you're buying the pub?
  • [17:54:21] <ds2> jkridner|work: no beer but I am interested in participating
  • [17:54:36] <prpplague> jkridner|work: using trainer boards for your presentation?
  • [17:54:43] <_av500_> ds2: your wieght in scooby snacks?
  • [17:54:46] <prpplague> mru: s/as/at
  • [17:54:47] <wmat> doesn't the B in BOF stand for Beer?
  • [17:54:53] <wmat> it will at mine ;)
  • [17:54:53] <ds2> _av500_: sure ;)
  • [17:55:08] <jkridner|work> prpplague: yeah, Trainer-xM + Cloud9 IDE.
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  • [17:55:39] <Crofton|work> oh yeah, considerable beer will be needed
  • [17:55:40] <prpplague> jkridner|work: dandy
  • [17:55:43] <Crofton|work> I may stockpile
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  • [17:56:00] <jkridner|work> ddompe: anxious for the volcano tour on Wed. I haven't booked it... looking for some help there.
  • [17:56:10] <Jefro> there is an OE gathering trying to happen Sunday evening before ELC
  • [17:56:45] <ddompe> jkridner|work: sure, arenal volcano?
  • [17:56:45] <mru> Jefro: need trolls?
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  • [17:57:15] <wmat> Jefro: where?
  • [17:57:30] <mru> boston :)
  • [17:57:41] <wmat> heh
  • [17:57:44] <Jefro> mru wmat not boston.. please, not boston...
  • [17:57:47] <ddompe> jkridner|work: would you like to book a guided tour, or would you sign up for ride with some RR folks?
  • [17:57:53] <jkridner|work> ddompe: yes and the thermal spa as well.
  • [17:57:58] <mru> Jefro: why not? we could have a tea party..
  • [17:58:13] <spow_> this seems too republican
  • [17:58:25] <Jefro> ROFL
  • [17:58:35] <mru> spow_: I'm obviously talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party
  • [17:58:54] <spow_> ^^
  • [17:59:31] <ds2> uh huh
  • [17:59:31] <spow_> friday is trollsday
  • [17:59:50] <Jefro> for the OE-ish gathering, sunday eve starting at kabuki, after that who knows
  • [17:59:55] <ds2> mru: so you will be introducing Ms Palin as the keynote? ;)
  • [18:00:29] <mru> only if she comes dressed in tar and feathers
  • [18:00:45] <spow_> so you can untar her ?
  • [18:00:51] <ds2> only in tar and feathers?
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  • [18:02:44] <_av500_> spow_: so he can zip her
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  • [18:05:10] <spow_> hehe I hope digitalization of our souls comes quickly so this becomes possible ^^
  • [18:06:47] <jkridner|work> ddompe: are you and other RR guys anxious to do a volcano tour on Wed?
  • [18:07:53] <ddompe> jkridner|work: we can, but don't want to spoils your plans. Todd and I are adventure type (kind of hiking volcano trails)
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  • [19:18:59] <ddompe> Mentoring organizations for GSoC 2011 announced: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011
  • [19:22:14] <djlewis_> hmmm
  • [19:22:17] <muriani> google-melange?
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  • [19:22:24] <muriani> are they the Spacing Guild now?
  • [19:23:18] <djlewis_> I dont see yours truely
  • [19:23:43] <muriani> ...Plan 9 is in there?
  • [19:24:12] <Jefro> I don't see beagleboard.org
  • [19:27:34] <_av500_> :(
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  • [20:02:55] <nndhawan> this requres the glib-2.0 and libglib-2.0 files on my beagleboard
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  • [20:03:32] <nndhawan> I have tried opkg install libgtk2.0-dev
  • [20:03:41] <nndhawan> with no such package returned to me
  • [20:03:59] <nndhawan> or rather the statement was "unknown package"
  • [20:04:03] <nndhawan> please help
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  • [20:25:15] <nndhawan> anyone there?
  • [20:25:30] <nndhawan> I'm really having a tough time here
  • [20:25:53] <nndhawan> google doesn't seem to give me any clues to what I should be doing
  • [20:26:04] <djlewis_> nndhawan: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ look at package browser
  • [20:26:40] <djlewis_> type in part of a search word, if the name has changed it wont pickup full name
  • [20:27:09] <djlewis_> ei; glib
  • [20:27:38] <djlewis_> then opkg install the one you want
  • [20:29:01] <djlewis_> nndhawan: and did you already install task-sdk-native ?
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  • [20:37:57] <nndhawan> djlewis_: I don't think so, is there anyway I can tell?
  • [20:38:45] <djlewis_> nnd?
  • [20:38:50] <djlewis_> nndhawan: ?
  • [20:39:19] <djlewis_> if you try to instal and it has already been then it will tell you the package is up to date.
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  • [20:39:24] <djlewis_> or type gcc -v
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  • [20:39:39] <djlewis_> nndhawan: that will dump some info
  • [20:41:29] <nndhawan> ok np, right now I'm downloading opkg install gtk+-dev so my beagle is busy ATM, also sorry for my newbieness I'm still new to this board
  • [20:42:06] <nndhawan> the package browser lies, I swear i tried opkg install libglib-2.0
  • [20:42:14] <nndhawan> which is listed...
  • [20:42:16] <nndhawan> errrgh
  • [20:42:17] <djlewis_> -0
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  • [20:42:35] <djlewis_> libglib-2.0-0
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  • [20:42:58] <nndhawan> o wait of course, i need to add an extra -0
  • [20:43:05] <djlewis_> :)
  • [20:43:27] <nndhawan> sigh...this is gonna take sometime getting used to
  • [20:43:34] <djlewis_> and get the -dev files if you are writing code
  • [20:43:45] <nndhawan> i'm definitely gonna use the package browser more often
  • [20:43:45] <nndhawan> thanks
  • [20:43:58] <nndhawan> ok
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  • [20:46:36] <djlewis_> nndhawan: good idea, names change constantly
  • [20:46:48] <djlewis_> seems
  • [20:48:20] <nndhawan> have you ever got periperials to work properly with your beagle?
  • [20:50:07] <djlewis_> yes, so far a avr on uart2 and a Nintendo Chuk on i2C2
  • [20:51:02] <djlewis_> and the same chuk on the same avr using UART2
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  • [20:51:49] <nndhawan> was it difficult?
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  • [20:52:17] <nndhawan> that's amazing
  • [20:52:21] <djlewis_> piece of cake after reading up on I2C and learning its relation on BB
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  • [20:52:42] <djlewis_> And I skipped the hardware level by ordering a TinCanTools.com Trainer board
  • [20:52:42] <nndhawan> how so, i mean I feel like my biggest issue is just figuring out how to compile....
  • [20:52:47] <djlewis_> (shameless plug)
  • [20:52:54] <nndhawan> o
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  • [20:53:16] <djlewis_> BB is 1.8V level gpio etc
  • [20:53:28] <nndhawan> but that's not a big deal
  • [20:53:35] <djlewis_> good attitude
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  • [20:54:07] <djlewis_> I was more interested in the software app than the hardware level translation
  • [20:54:18] <nndhawan> right
  • [20:54:21] <djlewis_> I am a hardware guy mostly
  • [20:54:24] <nndhawan> i'm interested at the software at the moment
  • [20:54:31] <nndhawan> I have the hardware figured out I think
  • [20:54:41] <nndhawan> I just keep getting line bus errors
  • [20:55:05] <nndhawan> I think its because the files I compile using OE aren't the ones that I have changed
  • [20:55:29] <djlewis_> OE can be confusing
  • [20:55:34] <nndhawan> true that
  • [20:55:37] <djlewis_> I build a lot locally on my BB
  • [20:55:54] <djlewis_> nndhawan: get Geany for a fair gui ide
  • [20:55:56] <nndhawan> did you do the same in terms of muxing yoru pins
  • [20:56:10] <nndhawan> at the local level?
  • [20:56:21] <djlewis_> no, I have a very smart guy do that :)
  • [20:56:26] <nndhawan> hahah
  • [20:56:51] <djlewis_> if you are dipping into various gpio then you need to though
  • [20:56:53] <nndhawan> great I have to be good as your very smart friend...::cries::
  • [20:57:58] <djlewis_> I could do it all as well, it is just a matter of learning it all.
  • [20:58:08] <djlewis_> But I figure time is precious
  • [20:58:14] <nndhawan> yea trust me its a lot of trial and error
  • [20:58:14] <djlewis_> ans we all have our specialties
  • [20:58:23] <nndhawan> hmmm true
  • [20:58:57] <djlewis_> and I am approaching the BeagleBoard more as a user than a kernel builder.
  • [20:59:36] <djlewis_> I would like for some genious among us to make the BB I/O all user mode accessable
  • [21:00:01] <nndhawan> some one worked on it on the PWM for the google code challenge
  • [21:00:07] <djlewis_> genius ( which i am not :)
  • [21:00:22] <Ceriand|work> djlewis_: devmem is use mode right :-p
  • [21:00:27] <Ceriand|work> *user
  • [21:00:37] <nndhawan> yea I was thinking you can use dev/mem
  • [21:00:41] <nndhawan> I think
  • [21:01:33] <djlewis_> so it allows changing MUX on the fly without recompiling anything?
  • [21:01:43] <Ceriand|work> word to the wise: don't try to bit bang with the omap gpio
  • [21:01:59] <nndhawan> I figured, you can control the pin muxing your dev/mem
  • [21:02:01] <nndhawan> i think so
  • [21:02:12] <nndhawan> Ceriand|work: why?
  • [21:02:19] <nndhawan> Ceriand|work: what did you experience?
  • [21:02:23] <Ceriand|work> devmem <PADCONF reg> 16 <value>
  • [21:02:47] <Ceriand|work> nndhawan: we were using it to program an fpga via jtag and the gpio module would miss edges
  • [21:03:28] <Ceriand|work> we ended up having to make our own gpio with some latches on the GPMC bus
  • [21:03:34] <nndhawan> huh and you level shifted though right?
  • [21:03:55] <Ceriand|work> the code worked some of the time
  • [21:04:36] <Ceriand|work> I actually had a test where it would pulse the gpio 8 times and wait, and set my scope to look for any long pulses
  • [21:04:57] <Ceriand|work> it definitely was missing edges
  • [21:05:17] <nndhawan> that's weird, it might be because it was through user space
  • [21:05:21] <Ceriand|work> and the first pulse was usually smaller than the others
  • [21:05:27] <djlewis_> nndhawan: here is a snippit on devmem2: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux/mmap.txt
  • [21:05:27] <Ceriand|work> we did it in kernel space
  • [21:05:27] <nndhawan> you might not be able to do it fast
  • [21:05:38] <Ceriand|work> with interrupts off
  • [21:09:27] <nndhawan> djlewis_: thanks interesting article
  • [21:09:32] <nndhawan> or post...
  • [21:10:04] <GGuyZ> mru: Just wanted to say great job on omapfbplay. It just works, and the code is so well written and easy to follow.
  • [21:10:15] <mru> thanks
  • [21:10:21] <GGuyZ> :)
  • [21:10:39] <mru> I have to confess, it was originally cobbled together for a demo run
  • [21:10:42] <djlewis_> GGuyZ: is a happy camper now ?
  • [21:10:59] <mru> if you look at early git history it wasn't quite so pretty
  • [21:11:31] <djlewis_> but mru's cobbling is better than most peoples serious attempts
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  • [21:12:03] <GGuyZ> Probably. And developing for a demo with a deadline is always somewhat messy
  • [21:12:44] <GGuyZ> djlewis_: Yes. I can finally start actually writing code
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  • [21:13:20] <GGuyZ> If I'd be able to get smooth 720p on most mpeg4 videos, I'd be even happier :)
  • [21:13:26] <djlewis_> GGuyZ: on to openCV now?
  • [21:13:32] <djlewis_> or was that someone else?
  • [21:13:39] <mru> GGuyZ: which beagle model do you use?
  • [21:13:58] <GGuyZ> djlewis_: Probably someone else
  • [21:14:02] <djlewis_> :)
  • [21:14:08] <GGuyZ> mru: C4. I might get an xM soon.
  • [21:14:23] <mru> 720p mpeg4 on C4 is tight
  • [21:14:27] <mru> xm should handle it
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  • [21:14:48] <GGuyZ> All videos or will it still be picky?
  • [21:15:36] <mru> much less picky at any rate
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  • [21:17:01] <GGuyZ> So I'll work with SD until I can put my hands on a shiny xM
  • [21:22:31] <Ceriand|work> looks like BB didn't get into GSoC this year
  • [21:22:31] <nndhawan> libgtk+-dev takes forever to installl omg
  • [21:22:51] <djlewis_> nndhawan: most likely a slow feed
  • [21:24:57] <nndhawan> i wonder if I got what I needed and can just quit the install
  • [21:25:22] <woglinde> Ceriand hm
  • [21:25:23] <nndhawan> this is ridiculous when all I want is glib...
  • [21:25:30] <woglinde> Ceriand nobody wants?
  • [21:25:49] <Ceriand|work> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011
  • [21:27:32] <woglinde> hrms
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  • [21:35:14] <nndhawan> my pwm program didn't work :(
  • [21:36:07] <nndhawan> i still get an error unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1818) at 0x4001f024
  • [21:36:33] <GGuyZ> ]
  • [21:36:45] <mru> did you turn on the clocks?
  • [21:37:04] <nndhawan> I thought I did
  • [21:37:16] <nndhawan> i edited the defconfig file in my kernel build
  • [21:37:32] <mru> and what would that accomplish?
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  • [21:38:02] <nndhawan> but I didn't follow the patch procedure I used the procedure provided in this page: http://elinux.org/ECE497_Lab03_Configuring_the_Kernel
  • [21:38:31] <mru> are you poking registers from userspace?
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  • [21:39:31] <nndhawan> mru: ? On this page: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPWM says to configure the defconfigs file to remove the CONFIG_OMAP_RESET_CLOCKS=y
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  • [21:40:05] <mru> never trust a wiki
  • [21:40:17] <mru> it's much easier to enable the clocks you need when you need them
  • [21:40:46] <mru> it's a simple matter of setting a bit in a prcm register
  • [21:40:54] <mru> all documented in the TRM
  • [21:41:08] <mru> the error you got suggests an interface clock wasn't enabled
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  • [21:50:03] <nndhawan> mru: you are correct that its easier to go through the TRM
  • [21:50:18] <nndhawan> but I don't know who to set that bit with the TI Omap
  • [21:50:27] <nndhawan> I was thinking maybe I can just use mmap
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  • [21:50:54] <mru> mmap the prcm register and write it
  • [21:51:12] <mru> and hope the kernel isn't writing it at the same time
  • [21:51:47] <_av500_> gee
  • [21:53:04] <nndhawan> how come the wiki sucks
  • [21:53:15] <nndhawan> I mean seriously, I thought anyone could edit it, but no one is improving it
  • [21:53:37] <_av500_> tragedy of the commons
  • [21:53:42] <djlewis_> someone send me a mt9p031 to experiment with
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  • [21:54:03] <_av500_> send or sent?
  • [21:54:29] <djlewis_> ship, mail, toss, transport, whatever :)
  • [21:55:11] <_av500_> thats the sensor?
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  • [22:00:30] <djlewis_> but I would prefer a CCD to cmos sensor
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  • [23:09:41] <djlewis_> looks like the sensor is on the leopardboard module LI-5M03
  • [23:10:15] <mru> yeah
  • [23:10:25] <mru> 5M is number of pixels
  • [23:12:10] <djlewis_> the mt9p031 is said to be low light sensitive and they have a version with CS-mount.
  • [23:12:45] <djlewis_> But then, I'd have to get a XM to compliment it.
  • [23:13:28] <mru> or a leopardboard
  • [23:13:52] <mru> and why can't people learn the difference between compliment and complement?
  • [23:14:31] <djlewis_> and why can't people(djlewis) learn the difference between compliment and complement?
  • [23:14:43] <djlewis_> I hate to be referred to in the third party
  • [23:15:11] <mru> you're assuming to be included in the class people
  • [23:15:39] <djlewis_> har har
  • [23:15:49] <djlewis_> you got a point there
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  • [23:21:08] <djlewis_> later guys...
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