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  • [00:03:22] <djlewis> sometimes
  • [00:03:50] <ds2> it is robust for me
  • [00:03:55] <djlewis> i find it sometimes requires some persuasion
  • [00:04:05] <djlewis> to initially get it working.
  • [00:04:22] <djlewis> mine is robust too.
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  • [01:06:41] <tgabriel> Hello UT Beaglers. What teams are on-line?
  • [01:06:51] <larryz_> beagle phone
  • [01:07:11] <cruzm> Beagle probe
  • [01:07:50] <oliverz> beagle phone as well
  • [01:08:07] <oliverz> so, does anyone have experience with installing python on angstrom
  • [01:08:15] <oliverz> we were experiencing some problems with missing packages
  • [01:08:34] <hpham> team TurtleCam here
  • [01:08:39] <oliverz> since the python site doesnt have a premade tarball for angstrom or open embedded
  • [01:08:47] <oliverz> we were forced to use opkg to get python
  • [01:09:01] <oliverz> however, when trying to install and run a certain software, linphone in particular
  • [01:09:14] <oliverz> our bitbake function was broken or something in pythong
  • [01:09:19] <oliverz> stating that it was missing several packages
  • [01:09:37] <oliverz> and then we were able to manually extract some ubuntu distribution of python, and move some packages in
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  • [01:09:43] <oliverz> but we're still missing one package
  • [01:09:56] <oliverz> however, the name of that one miss package escapes me right now
  • [01:10:04] <oliverz> did anyone else have this issue with angstrom?
  • [01:10:25] <buZz> i've had all kinds of issues with angstrom ;) thats why my igep now runs plain gentoo
  • [01:10:37] <oliverz> lol
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  • [01:10:45] <oliverz> we've given up on ubuntu and android as well
  • [01:10:51] <oliverz> too slow and too buggy respectively
  • [01:10:58] <buZz> i feel that 'embedded' linux distros are much too limiting for any >1Ghz system
  • [01:11:19] <hpham> we switched from angstrom to ubuntu because angstrom didn't have the packages we needed
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  • [01:11:35] <hpham> even then we had to compile all sorts of things, including the kernel
  • [01:11:40] <jkridner|work> hello
  • [01:11:54] <cwicks> HURRRAAAAYYYYY hello jkridner
  • [01:12:14] <jkridner|work> tgabriel, cwicks: sorry a little slow on the check-in time. was on the phone.
  • [01:12:30] <cwicks> jkridner: we have oliver on the phone w/ a question if you can
  • [01:13:34] <oliverz> hey jason, sorry, can you see my previous questions i typed in
  • [01:14:03] <cwicks> UT Students if you want to join by phone: , 877.561.6828 54043628#
  • [01:16:10] <mru> people who complain about building a kernel have no business buying devboards
  • [01:17:18] <jkridner|work> oliverz: not super surprising that a few python packages are missing....
  • [01:17:34] <jkridner|work> would certainly help to be able to say which ones.
  • [01:17:49] <mru> koen has been known to package things for money...
  • [01:17:54] <jkridner|work> oliverz: you might find a more complete python on Ubuntu.
  • [01:18:03] <larryz_> we don't currently have access to our beagleboard
  • [01:18:24] <mru> then again, a snake is a snake
  • [01:18:57] <HokieTux> okay, I need a stupid check from someone. beagle board booted, X is running on :0, but not seeing video on screen using hdmi out
  • [01:18:58] <oliverz> yea
  • [01:19:02] <oliverz> we did try that
  • [01:19:10] <jkridner|work> Angstrom is pretty complete, but often targets small.
  • [01:19:12] <oliverz> we untared the ubuntu installation of python
  • [01:19:16] <oliverz> and pulled over the packages we were missing
  • [01:19:21] <oliverz> however, one was not in that installation
  • [01:19:26] <oliverz> larry, did you happen to know the name
  • [01:19:36] <oliverz> im not near the beagleboard right now, jack yen is in possesion of it
  • [01:19:42] <oliverz> it was some sort of xml package
  • [01:20:02] <cwillu_at_work> lxml?
  • [01:20:08] <jkridner|work> HokieTux: what frequency and resolution does your monitor tell you it is getting? could it be an unsupported one?
  • [01:20:46] <jkridner|work> lxml exists for Angstrom: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=python-lxml
  • [01:20:57] <mru> most monitors refuse to show the details of bad timings they're given
  • [01:21:11] * mru curses the return to 1988
  • [01:21:15] <HokieTux> argh. this damned thing is so old (the screen). I can't get it to tell me anything at all. it just keeps telling me that it is in powersave mode because there is no signal
  • [01:21:41] <jkridner|work> kernel should be able to tell you what it is putting out.
  • [01:21:53] <mru> what screen is it?
  • [01:22:18] <HokieTux> hm, looks like it is running at 640x480 @60
  • [01:22:23] <HokieTux> that ought to be supported
  • [01:22:40] <HokieTux> mru: honestly, I don't even know. it's some ancient dell screen I stole off another lab desk
  • [01:22:46] <HokieTux> it looks _ancient_ though
  • [01:23:05] <jkridner|work> how did you hook it up? it has DVI-D, right?
  • [01:23:26] <HokieTux> yup
  • [01:23:49] <larryz_> Jack says we were missing an operator python module
  • [01:25:47] <mru> HokieTux: does it display a standard PC text console?
  • [01:25:53] <HokieTux> current xorg log doesn't show anything too suspicious - tries to load some modules, fails, loads omapfb, runs in framebuffer mode, creates display section for 640x480, and then it moves on
  • [01:26:04] <mru> those are not 640x480@60
  • [01:26:31] <HokieTux> mru: what do you mean? not sure I follow
  • [01:26:50] <mru> if you connect a normal PC to the screen, does it display the bios screen properly?
  • [01:27:35] <HokieTux> Oh! separate from the beagle. i haven't tried yet... let me muck around and give it a shot.
  • [01:30:19] <HokieTux> aha. the monitor doesn't support anything other than 800x600 and 1024x768
  • [01:30:26] <HokieTux> man, this thing is a piece.
  • [01:30:35] <jkridner|work> larryz_: is that the name of the package?
  • [01:30:52] <cwicks> cruzm: BeagleProbe, how is your project going?
  • [01:31:40] <Crofton|work> I wonder what python thingy they wanted
  • [01:31:49] <mru> HokieTux: so it doesn't display the PC boot screen either?
  • [01:31:53] <mru> that's unusual
  • [01:32:16] <larryz_> yea the package is called operator
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  • [01:32:36] <Crofton|work> I am certain HokieTux is stealing crappy old monitors from peoples desks
  • [01:32:47] <HokieTux> Crofton|work: that is exactly what happened. I stole it from dinesh.
  • [01:32:48] <larryz_> lol
  • [01:32:52] <mru> Crofton|work: yours just went missing?
  • [01:32:56] <Crofton|work> no
  • [01:33:09] <Crofton|work> but HokieTux does sit at my old desk
  • [01:33:11] * HokieTux might walk across the street and steal one of Crofton|work's though, if this keeps up...
  • [01:33:25] * Crofton|work locks his doors
  • [01:33:34] <Crofton|work> steal Mousemans
  • [01:33:47] <Crofton|work> it is known to work, I think
  • [01:34:00] <HokieTux> yeah. his monitor is really nice
  • [01:34:13] <Crofton|work> he will not notice
  • [01:34:15] <Crofton|work> swap them
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  • [01:34:55] <mru> any monitor will work with the beagle
  • [01:34:58] <cruzm> Finally got all of the parts today.
  • [01:35:00] <mru> you just need to find the right settings
  • [01:35:32] <Dan__> hey is this UT beagleboard "office hours"?
  • [01:35:41] <cruzm> We've had to scale back our initial goals, but we (at least I) intend on continuing the project after the competition is through.
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  • [01:35:52] <Dan__> looks like a yes :)
  • [01:36:11] <larryz_> yea this is office hours
  • [01:36:11] <Dan__> cwicks are you there?
  • [01:36:12] * Crofton|work likes to cause troble
  • [01:36:22] <Dan__> who's the one holding office hours?
  • [01:36:26] <Dan__> i need some help
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  • [01:36:33] <Dan__> i patched a kernel to run at 1.35v
  • [01:36:38] <Dan__> but it's not improving my clocking
  • [01:36:47] <Dan__> it deadlocks at 750mhz+
  • [01:36:53] <mru> don't do that then
  • [01:36:57] <Dan__> so i'm not sure what's going on
  • [01:37:02] <cwicks> Hello Dan__ we are glad you joined us!
  • [01:37:13] <Dan__> mru: the point is to overclock it :)
  • [01:37:13] <mru> Dan__: what board are you using?
  • [01:37:16] <Dan__> C4
  • [01:37:18] <Dan__> whatever you guys gave us
  • [01:37:23] <mru> 720MHz is max for that one
  • [01:37:27] <Dan__> is that a hard max?
  • [01:37:32] <mru> apparently
  • [01:37:42] <Dan__> i can run at 730 though lol
  • [01:37:42] <mru> at least the chip you got
  • [01:38:03] <mru> the chips are tested and binned at 600MHz or 720MHz
  • [01:38:03] <Dan__> i've overclocked plenty of desktop parts, so i think this is rather pathetic
  • [01:38:18] <Dan__> usually an increase in voltage yields a lot of overhead
  • [01:38:34] <mru> 720 is already the from the best crop
  • [01:38:40] <Dan__> :/
  • [01:38:41] <mru> the lower-grade chips are sold as 600Mhz
  • [01:38:44] <Dan__> what's stock voltage?
  • [01:38:51] <Dan__> 1.2?
  • [01:38:55] <jkridner|work> larryz_: which python are you on? 2.5?
  • [01:39:44] <Dan__> rcn-ee says that many people have been able to get their C4 boards running at 800-900mhz
  • [01:39:51] <mru> that's nonsense
  • [01:40:09] <Dan__> why's that? you're increasing voltage
  • [01:40:18] <larryz_> i believe we tried 2.5 as well as 2.6
  • [01:40:37] <jkridner|work> Dan__: you *can* operate outside the specified range of the product, but it is a bad idea.
  • [01:40:52] <mru> Dan__: by that logic increasing to 12V would allow it to run at 50GHz
  • [01:40:53] <Dan__> oh well, it was just something fun that I was hoping to try
  • [01:41:00] <Dan__> um
  • [01:41:01] <mru> in actual fact, that fries it to a crisp
  • [01:41:04] <Dan__> it's diminishing returns
  • [01:41:11] <Dan__> have you overclocked a desktop component before?
  • [01:41:23] <Dan__> it's very common to overclock a 2.4GHz Intel part to 4GHz+
  • [01:41:31] <Dan__> with increases in voltage of course
  • [01:41:44] <Dan__> stock is around 1.2v or so
  • [01:41:50] <Dan__> and you can increase it to about 1.5 or 1.6
  • [01:41:56] <Dan__> before just not getting any benefits
  • [01:42:08] <Dan__> and when you go to 12V, obviously it'll fry to a crisp
  • [01:42:17] <jkridner|work> Dan__: the voltage regulator on the BeagleBoard is programmable, but if you have to get it explained here, you really shouldn't do it.
  • [01:42:19] <mru> intel parts are often sold well under what they are capable of
  • [01:42:25] <Dan__> right
  • [01:42:26] <mru> yields are higher than they need
  • [01:42:31] <mru> not the case here
  • [01:42:34] <Dan__> ah i see
  • [01:42:38] <Dan__> that makes sense
  • [01:42:39] <mru> the omap chips are much closer to the limits of the process
  • [01:42:44] <jkridner|work> mru: I don't think what you are saying is accurate.
  • [01:42:52] <mru> close enough
  • [01:42:54] <Dan__> jkridner: i've already gotten a linux kernel compiled with 1.35v
  • [01:42:56] <jkridner|work> ok, maybe.
  • [01:43:08] <HokieTux> hm, forcing omapfb to a certain resolution should just be a "setenv bootargs video=...", right?
  • [01:43:11] <Dan__> that's a good explanation, thanks
  • [01:43:14] <jkridner|work> the margin is what makes sense for the customer base.
  • [01:43:30] <mru> some people even buy 10 intel chips from different batches just to get one _really_ good one
  • [01:43:34] <Dan__> yup
  • [01:43:39] <Dan__> my friend has done that before lol
  • [01:43:44] <Dan__> and then he sells them on ebay
  • [01:43:50] <Dan__> the other 9
  • [01:44:18] <larryz_> are you just OCing for fun?
  • [01:44:19] <Dan__> anyways, that was my "fun" side project, so now for my real question
  • [01:44:21] <Dan__> yeah
  • [01:44:29] <mru> jkridner|work: is there a higher speed bin than 720?
  • [01:44:30] <Dan__> i was hoping to make my competition video about that
  • [01:44:42] <mru> I've heard talk of 800MHz versions of the 3430
  • [01:45:19] <Dan__> the ARM website seems to imply that 1GHz is pretty easy to reach for the Cortex A8
  • [01:45:27] <mru> depends on the process
  • [01:45:53] <Dan__> yeah
  • [01:46:04] <mru> an A8 manufactured in an appropriate process can reach at least 1.5GHz
  • [01:46:11] <Dan__> nice
  • [01:46:14] <mru> but not the one in the omap3
  • [01:46:30] <Dan__> do you know what process the 3430 uses?
  • [01:46:34] <Dan__> just out of curiosity
  • [01:46:40] <mru> checked the datasheet, and core voltage for 720MHz is 1.35V
  • [01:46:50] <Dan__> :(
  • [01:46:50] <mru> 3430 and 3530 are the same silicon
  • [01:47:05] <Dan__> just different bins then
  • [01:47:11] <mru> different labels
  • [01:47:34] <Dan__> ok, change of topic now: anyone got DSP working in Ubuntu?
  • [01:47:47] <Dan__> I know rcn-ee was working on this, but he's gone until Sunday I believe
  • [01:47:47] <mru> both part numbers have speed bins
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  • [01:47:55] <Dan__> (that's my real project)
  • [01:48:06] <mru> if you want faster, get a beagle xm
  • [01:48:11] <mru> that's 1GHz nominal
  • [01:48:18] <Dan__> TI wouldn't give them to us for the competition :(
  • [01:48:22] <Dan__> I already asked
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  • [01:49:01] <djlewis> aren't even the XM's clocked down to 720mHZ for some reason?
  • [01:49:09] <mru> nope
  • [01:49:12] <Dan__> yeah they need a kernel patch
  • [01:49:17] <Dan__> to enable the correct amount of voltage
  • [01:49:24] <Dan__> they're supposed to be running on 1.35v
  • [01:50:41] <cwicks> Dan__ sorry about the xm, we couldn't get them at the time we kicked off the contest...
  • [01:50:53] <Dan__> yeah i understand about the manufacturing issue :)
  • [01:51:04] <Dan__> i was gonna make a xM-lite by overclocking, but i guess that didn't work out haha
  • [01:51:15] <jkridner|work> mru: no, 720MHz is the highest broadly available specified speed for OMAP3530 today.
  • [01:51:18] <djlewis> in your dreams :P
  • [01:51:38] <djlewis> ^^ Dan__
  • [01:51:43] <mru> jkridner|work: is there an 800MHz bin available to special customers?
  • [01:51:47] <Dan__> haha it seems to be that way...
  • [01:51:50] <mru> 3430 or 3530?
  • [01:51:58] <mru> or 3440 or whatever you want to call it
  • [01:52:02] <jkridner|work> mru: I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.
  • [01:52:04] <Dan__> my project was gonna be some sort of infrastructure to make the DSP easy to use, but it seems like even getting the DSP running is gonna be a challenge
  • [01:52:18] <djlewis> AND THE PLAY IS IN MOTION
  • [01:52:22] <djlewis> oops
  • [01:52:26] <Dan__> lol
  • [01:52:26] <jkridner|work> There is a lot that goes into determining those numbers.
  • [01:52:34] <mru> because if so, it's unlikely that a 720-rated chip will run at 800 or more
  • [01:52:39] <mru> since then it would have been in that bin
  • [01:53:10] <Dan__> it's interesting that the part is frequency limited rather than power
  • [01:53:11] <djlewis> surely TI doesnt place procdessors in bins like Intel
  • [01:53:16] <djlewis> processors
  • [01:53:17] <jkridner|work> mru: reasonable point. I'm not aware of any existence of a higher bin.
  • [01:53:20] <mru> djlewis: they do
  • [01:53:39] <jkridner|work> devices do occasionally get binned.
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  • [01:54:03] <jkridner|work> I'd say in general we try to avoid multiple "passing" bins.
  • [01:54:52] <jkridner|work> you bin different failures to keep track of why things fail in the manufacturing process.
  • [01:56:07] <oliverz> its when we try to use bitbake when the python fails to find the module
  • [01:56:20] <oliverz> has no one in the channel run into that problem?
  • [01:56:25] <Dan__> what module?
  • [01:56:33] <larryz_> operator
  • [01:56:37] <Dan__> huh
  • [01:56:39] <Dan__> nope
  • [01:56:41] <Dan__> sorry
  • [01:56:56] <jkridner|work> oliverz: oh, so this is on the host machine?!?
  • [01:57:05] <oliverz> bitbake linphone on the beagleboard
  • [01:57:16] <oliverz> is the command we try to run to use linphone
  • [01:57:20] <jkridner|work> you are trying to run bitbake on the BeagleBoard?!?
  • [01:57:36] <oliverz> yea, does it not work?
  • [01:57:43] <jkridner|work> not likely.
  • [01:57:44] <oliverz> originally it would say a whole bunch of stuff was missing
  • [01:57:51] <oliverz> but i opened up python 2.5 for ubuntu
  • [01:57:55] <oliverz> and found almost everything it needed
  • [01:58:07] <oliverz> except the one last module that was not in the 2.5 for ubuntu
  • [01:58:19] <jkridner|work> running 'bitbake' on ARM is definitely new turf as far as I am aware.
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  • [01:58:23] <cwillu_at_work> oliverz, the whole idea is to use the infrastructure to build a cross-compiler on your fast intel-based hardware, and then cross-compile everything there instead of doing it native
  • [01:58:38] <oliverz> mhmm ok
  • [01:58:46] <jkridner|work> yeah, bitbake is intended for cross-compilation.
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  • [01:59:31] <Dan__> ok last ping about this: does anyone know anything about getting DSP to work in Ubuntu?
  • [01:59:42] <cwillu_at_work> Dan__, been to #ubuntu-arm?
  • [01:59:48] <Dan__> nope
  • [01:59:58] <Dan__> i do know that rcn-ee is making progress on it, and i can replicate his results
  • [02:00:00] * cwillu_at_work suggests going to #ubuntu-arm :p
  • [02:00:04] <Dan__> ok :p
  • [02:01:47] <Dan__> cwicks: any chance at a competition extension? :o
  • [02:02:02] * cwillu_at_work gives up on today
  • [02:02:21] <Dan__> #ubuntu-arm is dead haha
  • [02:02:44] <cwillu_at_work> judging from your timestamps, I doubt you've been in there long enough to tell
  • [02:02:54] <cwicks> Jkridner, any suggestions for Dan__ on Ubuntu/DSP?
  • [02:02:56] <larryz_> lol
  • [02:03:03] <Dan__> lol true
  • [02:03:09] <cwillu_at_work> or are you one of those people who joins channels, asks a question, and leaves 3 minutes later? :p
  • [02:03:48] <cwicks> Dan__ good question on extension_ I can pose it to the powers that be...
  • [02:03:50] <Dan__> hey, i idle on #beagle!
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  • [02:04:44] <Dan__> cwicks: thanks
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  • [02:05:12] <Dan__> ok i'm out, thanks for the help guys
  • [02:05:39] <jkridner|work> Dan__: I'm sure you've seen http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Ubuntu_%26_DSP_From_Sources
  • [02:05:45] <Dan__> yup
  • [02:05:48] <Dan__> it's out of date
  • [02:05:49] <Dan__> doesn't work
  • [02:05:56] <Dan__> rcn-ee is working on an updated one
  • [02:06:10] <jkridner|work> The #ubuntu-arm folks are more likely to be around in the morning.
  • [02:06:21] <mru> but it's always morning on irc
  • [02:06:55] <Dan__> haha
  • [02:08:02] <cruzm> cwicks: How well do you know our semester schedule?
  • [02:08:36] <Dan__> cruzm: just work on it during break :p
  • [02:08:38] <cwicks> Hi cruzm - I think the last day of finals is today?
  • [02:09:09] <larryz_> tomorrow is last day i believe
  • [02:09:45] <cruzm> It's tomorrow, and everyone who doesn't have living arrangements on campus will likely be moving back to their parents home for the break
  • [02:09:54] <cruzm> Or something of the sort.
  • [02:10:03] <Dan__> that's what i'm doing haha
  • [02:10:09] <mru> sleeping on a bench in the park
  • [02:10:28] <mru> using free wifi from mcdonalds
  • [02:11:07] <Dan__> you can work on the project in mcdonalds you know :p
  • [02:11:09] <cruzm> Our full 10-11 schedule: http://registrar.utexas.edu/calendars/10-11/
  • [02:12:26] <larryz_> why do you need an extension?
  • [02:12:26] <Dan__> you should extend it until Jan 17
  • [02:12:46] <cruzm> I'm not saying I'm not going to work on it during the break. Just thought I'd bring this up since the idea of an extension was being thrown around
  • [02:13:18] <Dan__> i only brought up an extension not because of my own time issues, but because people literally haven't gotten DSP to work yet
  • [02:13:44] <Dan__> and i'm not enough of a linux kernel hacking god to do it myself
  • [02:13:58] <larryz_> lol
  • [02:14:02] <cruzm> haha
  • [02:14:06] <larryz_> we were having issues with our project too
  • [02:14:54] <Dan__> ok heading out for real this time, good luck guys
  • [02:15:01] <larryz_> took a alternate route with a different project
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  • [02:16:52] <cruzm> Different project?
  • [02:18:59] <hpham> Dan__: the opencv-dsp project uses dsp on the beagleboard, i dunno if that will be useful for you
  • [02:19:45] <hpham> they have a wiki page that looks somewhat useful http://code.google.com/p/opencv-dsp-acceleration/wiki/GettingStarted1
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  • [02:36:39] <HokieTux> mru: jkridner|work: okay, so I successfully changed the dvimode to the proper resolution, didn't work. tried a different screen with default settings, didn't work. tried different screen with manual settings, still didn't work. further ideas?
  • [02:41:50] <jkridner|work> did you confirm that the video settings took? did it get to the point where the monitor will tell you anything about what it sees as the video signals?
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  • [02:42:23] <HokieTux> jkridner|work: I confirmed that the video settings took, and X thought it was outputting the correct resolution+rate to :0
  • [02:42:30] <HokieTux> monitor still won't tell me anything though
  • [02:43:01] <ds2> what resolution are you trying?
  • [02:43:10] <HokieTux> 1024x768MR-16@60
  • [02:44:52] <ds2> and are you sure you typed that correctly?
  • [02:45:07] <HokieTux> yup. double checked it in dmesg and Xorg.0.log
  • [02:45:16] <ds2> i.e. not accidentitally setting it to 1024x600 :D
  • [02:45:21] <HokieTux> hahah yeah =)
  • [02:45:35] <ds2> has this monitor ever worked with the board?
  • [02:45:44] <HokieTux> nope
  • [02:45:46] <HokieTux> brand new board
  • [02:45:48] <HokieTux> stole the monitor
  • [02:45:53] <HokieTux> (from a co-worker)
  • [02:46:09] <ds2> what brand? some are very picky about the timing
  • [02:46:14] <HokieTux> dell
  • [02:46:22] <HokieTux> both monitors I've tried are dell, actually
  • [02:47:02] <ds2> is the monitor turned on and configured to use the connector you have a cable on?
  • [02:47:21] <HokieTux> yup. I confirmed that by plugging it into my laptop instead of the bb-xM. came up immediately
  • [02:47:48] <ds2> and your laptop is setup for 1024x768?
  • [02:48:09] <HokieTux> no, but it auto-resized to it once I plugged it in
  • [02:48:31] <HokieTux> confirmed by checking screen resolution once the monitor was mirroring my laptop
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  • [02:49:43] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [02:49:52] <HokieTux> yeah, I'm stumped at the moment
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  • [02:50:24] <ds2> what are you using for cable/converters? or are you feeding the HDMI input on the dell monitor?
  • [02:50:47] <HokieTux> the cable is hdmi on one end and dvi-d on the other
  • [02:50:54] <HokieTux> so monitor is getting dvi-d input
  • [02:51:16] <HokieTux> the cable has worked with previous beagle boards, so I'm hoping thats not the problem
  • [02:51:22] <HokieTux> although I'm running out of ideas
  • [02:52:40] <HokieTux> one sec...
  • [02:53:16] <HokieTux> okay
  • [02:53:25] <HokieTux> ds2: jkridner|work: relevant xorg log: http://pastebin.com/WpNzQTMF
  • [02:53:37] <HokieTux> see anything suspicious that I'm missing?
  • [02:55:30] <ds2> I find the 16bpp suspicious
  • [02:55:33] <ds2> I'd try 24 or 32
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  • [02:56:24] <HokieTux> okie dokie
  • [02:56:40] <jkridner|work1> HokieTux: can you provide the kernel boot text as well? (dmesg)
  • [02:57:24] <HokieTux> jkridner|work1: no problem. rebooting with 24 bpp.
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  • [03:00:22] <HokieTux> last bit of dmesg log (the fb stuff happens a few lines from the top): http://pastebin.com/QH6xvLtT
  • [03:01:42] <HokieTux> annnd, jkridner|work1 ds2Q: the entire xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/Y6fJRFGe
  • [03:02:18] <Crofton|work> hmmm
  • [03:02:49] <Crofton|work> who needs a monitor anyway, as long as ssh works
  • [03:02:52] <HokieTux> *ds2
  • [03:03:14] <HokieTux> Crofton|work: I would agree with you, but project 'PIs' do not
  • [03:03:21] <ds2> bah, as long as JTAG works...
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  • [03:05:28] <jkridner|work1> hmmm... seems it is really 1024x768.... gonna try 800x600?
  • [03:05:29] <HokieTux> stupid X
  • [03:05:45] * jkridner|work1 must shut down.
  • [03:06:07] <jkridner|work1> good night all.... I'll look on the logs in the morning HokieTux.
  • [03:06:08] <HokieTux> jkridner|work1: I'll tinker with it further, and ping you and ds2 tomorrow, if you guys don't mind
  • [03:06:12] <Crofton|work> gn
  • [03:06:14] <HokieTux> thanks so much, jkridner|work1
  • [03:06:16] <HokieTux> gn
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  • [04:29:59] <djlewis> Apex Electronics, surplus heaven :)
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  • [10:21:15] <VR-Bug> Hi, I just managed to create an actual angstrom beagleboard-demo-image but it stopps booting with: "Error. Cannot create canvas. Abort." - any hint?
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  • [11:52:37] <ksinkar> av500: how much time does it take to boot?
  • [11:52:53] <av500> it was autoupdating and such
  • [11:52:58] <av500> no idea how long
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  • [11:53:18] <av500> its on my pc monitor, so i have to switch all the time
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  • [12:50:44] <mbonnin> av500: did you setup irblaster ?
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  • [13:16:15] <av500> nah
  • [13:16:26] <av500> mbonnin: in fact i did
  • [13:16:31] <av500> for a random box
  • [13:16:39] <mbonnin> :)
  • [13:16:50] <av500> mbonnin: its amc all over
  • [13:16:57] <av500> custom websites in a grid
  • [13:17:07] <av500> and the ui is damn slow
  • [13:17:14] <mbonnin> ah, amc like acg :)
  • [13:17:23] <av500> yeah
  • [13:17:25] <av500> just like that
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  • [13:18:15] <av500> mbonnin: speaking of boxes...
  • [13:18:27] * mbonnin expected that :)
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  • [13:24:57] <PiRANiA_> Hello. What do I need to do to get serial output from my beagleboard-xM? I installed ubuntu 10.04.1 (after this guide: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLucid ). There is no output at all (neither on the serial nor the hdmi (to a TV))
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  • [13:30:19] <PiRANiA_> Anyone ? :)
  • [13:31:08] <aholler> check the cable
  • [13:31:30] <aholler> and boot.scr for the correct console=
  • [13:32:26] <PiRANiA_> is boot.scr on the SD card?
  • [13:33:24] <aholler> I assume so, don't know if ubuntu uses it.
  • [13:33:28] <PiRANiA_> Oh, and the TV says: "Niet-ondersteund videoformaat", which is dutch for 'Unsupported video format', should I buy a DVI-HDMI connector and try it on s 'normal' screen?
  • [13:33:41] <aholler> change the resolution
  • [13:33:42] <PiRANiA_> will try checking the boot.scr, thnkas for that :)
  • [13:38:44] <PiRANiA_> setenv bootargs console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ro vram=${vram} omapfb.mode=dvi:${dvimode} fixrtc buddy=${buddy} mpurate=${mpurate}
  • [13:39:00] <PiRANiA_> is what it says :). What can I do with this information?
  • [13:39:09] <PiRANiA_> also [ setenv dvimode 1280x720MR-16@60 ]
  • [13:49:12] <aholler> console looks ok. it seems your monitor doesn't support 1280x720, so you have to change that.
  • [13:50:17] <mru> chances are the monitor does support proper CEA-861 720p60 mode
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  • [13:50:42] <mru> which is quiet different from VESA reduced-blanking mode
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  • [13:51:44] <mru> hdmi obviously can't use reduced blanking since there'd be no room for audio there
  • [13:52:03] <av500> it can be in pixel lsb :)
  • [13:52:13] <mru> the display could still support those modes w/o audio but manufacturers are idiots
  • [13:52:33] <aholler> my sony-tv doesn't like that mr.
  • [13:52:46] <mru> very few TVs tolerate that mode
  • [13:53:11] <mru> does that kernel have "hd720" in it's modedb?
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  • [13:54:46] <PiRANiA_> cool, replies, let me see
  • [13:54:59] <PiRANiA_> The TV is a philips 32PFL5403D
  • [13:55:17] <mru> try setting dvimode to hd720
  • [13:55:19] <PiRANiA_> I changed the resolution to 1024x768, that did not seem to change the situation
  • [13:55:29] <PiRANiA_> okay
  • [13:55:37] <aholler> or try to remove the MR
  • [13:55:46] <mru> you could hook a PC to the TV and query the EDID
  • [13:55:53] <mru> but I'd try hd720 first
  • [13:56:03] <PiRANiA_> 'EDID' hmmm?
  • [13:56:24] <mru> extended display identification data
  • [13:56:46] <PiRANiA_> which I should be able to query on my TV?
  • [13:56:49] <PiRANiA_> setenv dvimode hd720
  • [13:56:58] <PiRANiA_> is the line now, okay?
  • [13:57:06] <mru> yes, try that
  • [14:03:01] <PiRANiA_> no change, I changed the language of the TV to English, now it says "Unsupported video format", which tells me the beagleboard does at least something...
  • [14:03:15] <PiRANiA_> so hd720 did not do the trick
  • [14:03:53] <PiRANiA_> [The TV I am working on is a Philips 32PFL5403D by the way]
  • [14:05:25] <PiRANiA_> Do you think there is a chance it will work? I am going to see how I should check the EDID
  • [14:05:50] <av500> no need, this TV does support 720p for sure
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  • [14:06:26] <PiRANiA_> ok, thanks. So I am doing something wrong ;)
  • [14:07:25] <aholler> how do you power the beagle?
  • [14:08:07] <koen> I think we knew you were doing something wrong when you mentioned "ubuntu"
  • [14:08:10] <PiRANiA_> It's a 5 volt adapter from Farnell. LED's are blinking happily on the board (I don't know what it means, but it seems OK)
  • [14:08:25] <av500> it means they are blinking because they are happy
  • [14:08:46] <aholler> try 1024x768-16@60
  • [14:08:56] <PiRANiA_> This is how I change the boot.scr: http://pastebin.com/HZPCh4Ve
  • [14:09:28] <av500> somebody remind me again why one needs to process a text file?
  • [14:10:25] <aholler> u-boot by default wants a header and no one has written soemthing to live without that header ;)
  • [14:10:35] <av500> want a header for what?
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  • [14:10:42] <av500> to parse a text file?
  • [14:10:51] <aholler> to identify the file as text-file
  • [14:11:24] <aholler> don't know the reason behind that. might be historical
  • [14:11:24] <av500> you mean, boot.scr could be xml as well?
  • [14:11:28] <PiRANiA_> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Beagle_xM
  • [14:11:35] <PiRANiA_> I followed that guide
  • [14:11:59] <PiRANiA_> "Unsupported video format" on the line you gave me aholler :{
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  • [14:13:23] <PiRANiA_> Would another OS be better for the Beagleboard(-xM)? Instead of ubuntu (10.04.1)?
  • [14:13:23] <aholler> the reason might be, because it is loaded to ram and nothing adds a trailing zero. so you need the header to get the length
  • [14:13:38] <aholler> of the string.
  • [14:14:02] <aholler> isn't there ubuntu 10.10 alread?
  • [14:14:21] <PiRANiA_> There is, but this was better documented... I could try 10.10...
  • [14:14:41] <aholler> first try to get something over the serial.
  • [14:14:52] <aholler> at least some output from u-boot
  • [14:15:04] <PiRANiA_> yeah, I'd like something over my serial connection.
  • [14:15:08] <PiRANiA_> anything ;)
  • [14:15:51] <PiRANiA_> minicom -D `ls /dev/ttyUSB*` -b 115200 -8 -w
  • [14:16:00] * _koen_ pokes jkridner|work again
  • [14:16:09] <av500> _koen_: let him |work
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  • [14:16:34] <jkridner|work> sorry, in a team meeting all day. :(
  • [14:16:43] <_koen_> ah
  • [14:16:54] <mru> sounds like a good time to be on irc
  • [14:16:58] <_koen_> playing musical chairs?
  • [14:17:28] <jkridner|work> not much rearranging.
  • [14:18:54] <PiRANiA_> hmmmmmm.... I did not do the "For Serial Port Users add: (to use default user/pass ubuntu/temppwd) --use-default-user" in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLucid
  • [14:19:14] <PiRANiA_> that might be the reason I don t get anything over serial?
  • [14:19:17] <av500> PiRANiA_: you should see MLO/uboot serial logs
  • [14:19:45] <PiRANiA_> Yeah, I kind of expected that...
  • [14:20:05] <PiRANiA_> But I don't see anything
  • [14:20:29] <av500> then your serial setup is wrong
  • [14:20:39] <av500> dont use a nullmodem cable on the XM
  • [14:20:54] <PiRANiA_> THAT could be it
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  • [14:21:25] <PiRANiA_> WOOHOO! output!
  • [14:21:35] <PiRANiA_> thanks av500
  • [14:21:57] <av500> jkridner|work: can you make a bot say "check your cabling" every 15min?
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  • [14:22:53] <PiRANiA_> I use my serial cable daily, i would have never thought removing the nullmodem-thing (which I spent hours on searching for it) would be the problem ;)
  • [14:23:26] <buZz> solution
  • [14:23:37] <PiRANiA_> solution*
  • [14:24:08] <buZz> ;)
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  • [14:24:50] <PiRANiA_> cool, so it works (which i was affraid it didn't), I am logged in :)
  • [14:25:10] <PiRANiA_> thanks for getting me here :)
  • [14:25:35] <mru> we got you in, now it's up to you to get out
  • [14:26:03] <mru> imagine yourself as indiana jones or something, towards the end of the film
  • [14:26:22] <av500> sitting on top of that giant marble?
  • [14:27:02] <mru> the part where the old ruin is collapsing while the undead attack
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  • [14:41:13] <PiRANiA_> ubuntu@omap:~$ ifconfig eth0 >>>>> eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
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  • [14:44:00] <PiRANiA_> -nvm, usb1 appears to be eth0
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  • [16:06:02] <djlewis> gm
  • [16:06:06] <av500> gm
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  • [16:13:41] <muriani> morning djlewis
  • [16:13:58] <muriani> popped a couple excedrin for the headache, and also for the ZING
  • [16:14:14] <muriani> wish I had some decent coffee
  • [16:14:19] <djlewis> muriani: good morning, get a new SD card?
  • [16:14:31] <muriani> not yet.
  • [16:14:39] <muriani> may have to wait until tomorrow
  • [16:15:48] <supernaut> does SGX still only work in 1024x768-16 or will it work in 720p?
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  • [16:17:28] <koen> in angstrom the sgx driver works at any resolution
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  • [16:18:49] <jkridner|work> Jefro: ping
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  • [16:18:59] <jkridner|work> hmmm... not there.
  • [16:19:35] <supernaut> koen: thanks
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  • [16:20:05] <jkridner|work> hi jonmasters.... happy to see you on #beagle. didn't you attend a couple of the BLEP calls? I have an all day meeting today and won't be able to dial in. :(
  • [16:21:00] <jkridner|work> I haven't made any progress for being on vacation for 3 weeks and have to get caught-up before making progress again. I think we are getting close to a task list, but still need to break down a few things I can request to be done at TI.
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  • [16:21:31] <supernaut> and with a narcissus build, if i include the drivers in the build, are they ready to go out of the box?
  • [16:21:46] <jkridner|work> kevinsc: remind me to catch you up on BLEP while I'm in town.
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  • [16:23:32] <jkridner|work> supernaut: doesn't hurt to expand the modules again, but I'm pretty sure it is already done and ready to go.
  • [16:24:29] <Belna> is Magic SysRq working with new ttyO-interface?
  • [16:24:38] <mru> should
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  • [16:24:59] <mru> send a break character followed by the code you want
  • [16:25:08] <mru> like for any serial console
  • [16:25:14] <Belna> i use kermit
  • [16:25:25] <Belna> and if i send ctrl+\ B h
  • [16:25:30] <Belna> i get i ?h
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  • [16:28:26] <Belna> CONFIG_SERIAL_OMAP is active
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  • [16:29:39] <Belna> ctrl+\ L also makes no sysrq
  • [16:29:46] <Belna> only ?
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  • [16:30:26] <av500> CTRL-A F here
  • [16:30:34] <av500> in minicom
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  • [16:38:26] <jkridner|work> hi calculus.... you going to SCALE again?
  • [16:38:55] <cwicks> jkridner|work are you going to join our Linux Education call 877-561-6828x96817682# ??
  • [16:40:21] <cwicks> We would be so happy if you could join :)
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  • [16:45:55] <jkridner|work> cwicks...
  • [16:46:03] <jkridner|work> unfortunately, I'm in an all day meeting. :(
  • [16:46:27] <jkridner|work> I was just on IRC a few minutes earlier saying I wouldn't likely be on... :(
  • [16:46:57] <djlewis1> jkridner|work: lets hope they feed you :)
  • [16:47:48] <jkridner|work> we were just discussing that in the meeting actually. looks like someone is going to have to talk between bites.
  • [16:50:33] <aholler_> if someone wants to get rid of using mkimage for loading boot.scr, I've just learned that the new u-boot has "env import". Together with fatload it should be possible to use a plain text file instead of a .scr
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  • [16:51:47] <av500> aholler_: noooooo, all our cargo cult gone
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  • [16:52:47] <aholler_> here is reference at how to use that: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-September/077035.html
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  • [17:03:45] <aholler_> av500: we'll keep the secrets about using musb ;)
  • [17:03:52] <av500> ok
  • [17:06:04] <aholler_> s/we/they/
  • [17:08:27] <aholler_> just for verification, it is possible for the hw to detect a mini-a-cable without an attached device, correct?
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  • [17:09:49] <av500> not sure
  • [17:09:58] <av500> I think we have the ID pin on a GIO as well
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  • [17:17:30] <HokieTux> gm
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  • [17:35:38] <djlewis1> happy HAPPY Monday !! :-D
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  • [17:43:11] <aholler> av500: in the schematic it is only connected to the tps65950.
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  • [17:48:50] <aholler> so the question is how to get the state of the id-pin from the tps65950
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  • [17:54:53] <_av500_> aholler: i did not mean the bb :)
  • [17:58:09] <aholler> ah, ok
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  • [17:59:06] <aholler> so you are holding it right ;)
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  • [18:02:45] <aholler> currently I'm lost reading the driver. have to find out how MUSB_DEVCTL corresponds to the id-pin.
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  • [18:05:18] <aholler> anyway it's just a fault by the driver to use the actual state of that to decide how to respond to transfer occured in the past
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  • [18:27:03] <calculus> jkridner|work: yes, I plan to attend SCALE again
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  • [18:27:55] <calculus> jkridner|work: are you doing a booth and/or talks?
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  • [18:45:45] <HokieTux> jkridner|work: mru: ds2: I tried a 3rd screen and a brand new cable, and it is working.
  • [18:50:26] <HokieTux> I can't test the new cable with the old screen
  • [18:50:35] <HokieTux> because its so fat it doesn't fit up against the back of it to put it in the port
  • [18:52:11] <mru> I doubt the cable has anything to do with it
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  • [19:08:43] <djlewis_> hmmm, only one laptop and no desktops to work on today..
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  • [19:22:38] <Crofton|work> http://www.amazon.com/UM-720S-Screen-Powered-Swivel-Display/dp/B002QFP4Z8
  • [19:22:48] <Crofton|work> would one of these work on a "beagle"
  • [19:23:16] <_av500_> yes
  • [19:23:24] <_av500_> displaylink
  • [19:23:28] <Crofton|work> k
  • [19:23:33] <_av500_> koen tried it
  • [19:23:35] <Crofton|work> HokieTux, see above :)
  • [19:23:52] <_av500_> not this one but the samsung u70
  • [19:24:24] <Crofton|work> and listen to _av500, no me
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  • [19:25:27] <Crofton|work> on ebay @ 100usd
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  • [19:26:48] <HokieTux> interesting
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  • [19:30:08] <jkridner|work> calculus: I'm trying to get Tiemen to do a talk. could probably use a volunteer or two for a table.
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  • [19:34:43] <aholler> Crofton|work: I have such a mimo, works
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  • [19:56:49] <jkridner|work> HokieTux: hurray!
  • [19:57:02] <HokieTux> mmhm =)
  • [19:57:03] <HokieTux> very happy
  • [19:57:10] <HokieTux> (that it wasn't the board or the image)
  • [19:58:42] <HokieTux> thanks for working through it with me, jkridner|work, ds2, and mru
  • [19:58:44] <HokieTux> I appreciate it
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  • [20:13:02] <tasslehoff> when x-loader looks for MLO on mmc, does it look in a specific block, or in a given position of first partition?
  • [20:13:12] <tasslehoff> sorry, when the OMAP looks ...
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  • [20:24:35] <calculus> jkridner|work: is beagleboard doing a table with pandaboard? jayabharath has also been interested in SCALE
  • [20:25:33] <jayabharath> calculus: havent yet gotten around to planning for scale yet myself...
  • [20:27:02] <jayabharath> need to touchbase with jkridner|work to learn their plans.
  • [20:27:19] <jkridner|work> my plans are pretty loose so far....
  • [20:27:28] <jkridner|work> just a great show and want to have a presence.
  • [20:28:02] <jkridner|work> trying at least to get someone from TI in the region out there, but I'm not currently planning on traveling for it.
  • [20:28:19] <jayabharath> Same here..
  • [20:30:49] <tasslehoff> Is there a bootmode/bootsequence document out there? I can't find what I'm looking for in the TRM.
  • [20:31:49] <sakoman> tasslehoff: it looks for the filename MLO in the first partition (which must be fat format of course)
  • [20:33:10] <tasslehoff> sakoman: I seem to recall that if I copied MLO, u-boot.bin and boot.scr in the wrong order, things would not boot.
  • [20:33:40] <sakoman> tasslehoff: urban legend has it that mlo must be the first file created on the fat partition
  • [20:34:10] <tasslehoff> sakoman: and mythbusters have proven it false?
  • [20:34:19] <sakoman> but during development I rewrite mlo many times on existing sd cards with no issue
  • [20:34:34] <koen> sakoman: you still remain incognito: https://lwn.net/Articles/419643/
  • [20:35:00] <sakoman> every once in a while though the boot rom will get confused and I *will* have to reformat the fat partition and write mlo first
  • [20:35:23] <sakoman> then I can rewrite mlo for weeks and weeks with no issue
  • [20:36:06] <tasslehoff> ok. I'm considering putting my u-boot environment in mmc, and from what you're saying it seems I can leave some space for it at the beginning of the card, in front of the first partition.
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  • [20:36:52] <lixian> Hello
  • [20:36:52] <lixian> I just got my beagleboard xM yesterday.
  • [20:37:18] <lixian> I don't have a 5V power supply.
  • [20:37:18] <lixian> I am worried I fucked it up.
  • [20:37:49] <lixian> So, I planned to buy one.
  • [20:38:09] <lixian> to see the size of jack.
  • [20:38:09] <lixian> So, I pull another power supply's jack into the board without power.
  • [20:38:26] <sakoman> tasslehoff: yes, you can do that. look at the u-boot implementation for sdp4430 for an example of how it stores u-boot env on emmc
  • [20:38:31] <lixian> And then D13 turned red.
  • [20:38:52] <lixian> And I tried connect ethernet pin to laptop.
  • [20:39:12] <lixian> No LED on ethernet pin turned on.
  • [20:39:12] <lixian> Does that mean my board is dead?
  • [20:39:13] <lixian> Thank you.
  • [20:39:37] <djlewis_> did you use a crossover ethernet cable?
  • [20:39:57] <mru> isn't that the overvoltage indicator?
  • [20:40:05] <djlewis_> the D13?
  • [20:40:09] <_av500_> sakoman: there was one fat32 bug fixed recently in uboot
  • [20:40:18] <lixian> I used this cable to talk to other board.
  • [20:40:18] <lixian> It works.
  • [20:40:18] <lixian> Yep.
  • [20:40:18] <lixian> mru: Yeah.
  • [20:40:29] <_av500_> tasslehoff: there is such a doc but it is not public
  • [20:40:38] <lixian> djlewis_: Yes.
  • [20:40:54] <tasslehoff> _av500_: ok. so long as I get my fix here :)
  • [20:41:02] <_av500_> tasslehoff: i have it
  • [20:41:30] <djlewis_> lixian: BB runs on 5vDC did you measure the supply before connection it?
  • [20:42:27] <sakoman> av500: yeah there were a couple fixed in October, and a big code cleanup back in July (iirc)
  • [20:42:36] <tasslehoff> My only persistent storage is a 16GB uSD, so I want to put the u-boot env at the beginning, and then have fat, ext3, ext3, ext3 on the rest of the card.
  • [20:42:51] <_av500_> tasslehoff: you can chose any start sector for the boot partition
  • [20:43:11] <_av500_> it can be 1
  • [20:43:13] <_av500_> or 63
  • [20:43:15] <_av500_> or 54
  • [20:43:16] <ds2> just rework it to have NAND :D
  • [20:43:22] <_av500_> or anything
  • [20:43:28] <tasslehoff> _av500_: and 42?
  • [20:43:30] <tasslehoff> :)
  • [20:43:42] <_av500_> ds2: no scooby snacks?
  • [20:43:48] <lixian> djlewis_: I didn't connect that power when I connect jack into the board.
  • [20:43:48] <lixian> I just put jack inside without power.
  • [20:44:09] <lixian> djlewis_: I want know whether that jack fits the board.
  • [20:44:16] <tasslehoff> ds2: heh. it actually has nand, but we're considering throwing it out.
  • [20:44:17] <_av500_> ds2: putting in a nand to store a few bytes of kernel cmdline is a bit of a waste
  • [20:44:31] <lixian> That's it.
  • [20:44:53] <mru> if something lit up, something provided power...
  • [20:45:02] <ds2> _av500_: I'd argue the reverse... putting in another ARM to hide NAND is a waste :D
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  • [20:45:26] <_av500_> lets agree to disagree
  • [20:45:30] <tasslehoff> does the fw_setenv tools work with environment in mmc?
  • [20:45:43] <_av500_> tasslehoff: its SW, make it
  • [20:45:51] <ds2> heheh
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  • [20:46:12] <_av500_> sector = address/512
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  • [20:46:39] <_av500_> thats all the magic behind mmc :)
  • [20:46:40] <ds2> there are different ways you can do it in emmc; some ways makes it harder to fix up fw_setenv
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  • [20:47:03] <sakoman> tasslehoff: there are some patches I posted to the list that extend the fw_tools to allow them to write to regular files in addition to mtd devices
  • [20:47:08] <_av500_> since uboot pretends to be able to read files, it could be a file
  • [20:47:31] <_av500_> what sakoman said
  • [20:48:04] <sakoman> tasslehoff: they haven't been accepted upstream yet, but they are in my omap4-exp branch
  • [20:48:22] <sakoman> I'll probably get around to implementing the suggested changes later this week
  • [20:48:33] <ds2> sakoman: that only works if the is stored in the normal area. wouldn't it make more sense to store u-boot info in the boot area instead?
  • [20:48:35] <_av500_> sakoman: its of course in a branch :)
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  • [20:48:56] <_av500_> ds2: define boot area
  • [20:49:07] <sakoman> ds2: feel free to submit patches to do so :-)
  • [20:49:08] <ds2> _av500_: the area before the MBR
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  • [20:49:14] <mru> _av500_: feet and ankles
  • [20:49:25] <ds2> sakoman: after I finish my current stuff
  • [20:49:35] <tasslehoff> thanks for the info. I'll go sleep on it now :)
  • [20:49:44] <_av500_> nite nite
  • [20:49:53] <sakoman> av500: I always make my submitted patches available in a branch
  • [20:50:00] <_av500_> sakoman: :)
  • [20:50:06] <sakoman> makes it easier for people to grab
  • [20:50:08] <tasslehoff> likewise
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  • [20:50:54] <sakoman> I've had pretty good luck with things only sitting there for a couple of weeks before going upstream
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  • [20:57:04] <sakoman> koen: missed that link!
  • [20:57:31] <sakoman> I'm almost making you incognito too :-)
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  • [21:18:28] <koen> sakoman: :)
  • [21:18:46] <koen> sakoman: did you see http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/419642/a553dfa4bf72fb63/ yet?
  • [21:19:30] <sakoman> koen: no I hadn't seen that yet
  • [21:20:15] <_av500_> tl;dr
  • [21:20:55] <mru> design by committee never worked before, why should it now?
  • [21:24:18] <_av500_> koen: what are the changes needed to be done to oe that poky does not need?
  • [21:24:24] <_av500_> wrt commercial
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  • [21:29:51] <tharvey> cbrake, I'm still digging into the MUSB VBUS chargepump control issue - you had stated that to disable the TPS VBUS supply you make sure the MUSB_DEVCTL_SESSION bit is cleared in MUSB_DEVCTL register. Where did you find documentation on musb? seems to be outside the realm of the TI TRM
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  • [21:33:59] <cbrake> tharvey: musb documentation can be obtained from TI through NDA
  • [21:34:21] <cbrake> tharvey: is mostly undocumented in the TRM
  • [21:35:16] <tharvey> arg...
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  • [21:41:15] <cbrake> tharvey: I was able to get the docs through my local TI rep (right before that project was cancelled)
  • [21:41:22] <cbrake> tharvey: so you might want to try that route
  • [21:41:53] <tharvey> ya, composing an e-mail now. I can't believe this is so difficult - seems like a very common thing to do to provide external VBUS
  • [21:43:36] <tharvey> clearly unsetting MUSB_DEVCTL_SESSION does disable the charge-pump, but I'm not clear why. I've also found that the twl4030-usb.c driver never modifies the OTG_CTRL register that has the DRVVBUS bit that according to the TRM enables the chargepump
  • [21:44:12] <tharvey> so I'm thinking there is something undocumented in the PMIC TRM thats enabling the chargepump a different way
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  • [22:23:05] <jkridner|work> my 430 launchpad shipped.
  • [22:23:27] <djlewis_1> jkridner|work: how many months?
  • [22:23:28] <jkridner|work> I'd almost forgotten that I ordered it.
  • [22:23:40] <djlewis_1> so they treat their own the worse :P
  • [22:23:46] <jkridner|work> I ordered it September 14th.
  • [22:24:07] <jkridner|work> 9/14/2010 5:32:17 PM
  • [22:24:18] <jkridner|work> I'm just happy to be getting it.
  • [22:24:44] <djlewis_1> i pulled mine out and played with it using Ubuntu, was it yesterday?
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  • [22:32:43] <tharvey> cbrake, interesting - I find that if I clear OTG_CTRL[5]:DRVVBUS in drivers/usb/otg/twl4030-usb.c (via a procfs interface) something within milliseconds elsewhere sets the bit again - yet no kernel code writes to that register via i2c
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  • [22:51:45] <lixian> Can anyone tell me that why I cannot see any uboot information from minicom?
  • [22:52:15] <djlewis_1> dserial connections wrong?
  • [22:52:17] <tharvey> flow control? no rx connected?
  • [22:52:43] <tharvey> I like to use screen for serial as you can specify serial port attributes on cmdline: screen /dev/ttyUSB 115200,cs8
  • [22:52:47] <djlewis_1> wrong serial device selected on PC
  • [22:53:13] <djlewis_1> lixian: which board?
  • [22:55:21] <Ceriand|work> tharvey: the musb module is probably writing that via the ULPI
  • [22:56:23] <lixian> djlewis_1: xM
  • [22:56:39] <tharvey> yes, thats what I'm assuming as well... I'm not clear how ULPI writes are done though
  • [22:56:43] <lixian> tharvey: I tried screen. Nothing, either.
  • [22:56:44] <djlewis_1> straight through cable?
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  • [22:57:02] <lixian> djlewis_1: Yeah, usb to RS232.
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  • [22:57:42] <lixian> tharvey: I set both hardware and software control as none.
  • [22:57:45] <tharvey> I'm assuming thats whats in the MUSBHDRC documentation that I don't have. I find that after I clear the OGT_CTL[5]:DRVVBUS bit musb_core gets an musb_stage0_irq which sets MUSB_DEVCTL=0x91 which I believe is what re-enables the chargepump
  • [22:57:46] <kblin> lixian: XM revA2 board?
  • [22:58:38] <tharvey> Ceriand|work, you think musb MUSB_DEVCTL register ends up writing ULPI?
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  • [22:59:27] <lixian> kblin: I saw Rev B on the box.
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  • [22:59:34] <lixian> I just got it yesterday.
  • [22:59:46] <lixian> Where can I exactly see the board's version?
  • [23:00:20] <kblin> hm, the pre-XM beagles had a sticker...
  • [23:00:54] <mru> as do the XMs
  • [23:01:46] <kblin> mru: I figured
  • [23:01:55] <lixian> I think it is Rev B.
  • [23:02:01] <lixian> I saw a 'B' sticker.
  • [23:02:10] <kblin> ok, sounds like it then
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  • [23:02:17] <lixian> Any difference?
  • [23:02:28] <Ceriand|work> tharvey: probably
  • [23:02:39] <kblin> not sure :) the manual should cover that ;)
  • [23:03:02] <lixian> Ok. So, why cannot I get anything from uboot?
  • [23:03:05] * djlewis_1 is waiting for the big answer as to how the rev makes a difference to serial console output
  • [23:03:13] <djlewis_1> :)
  • [23:04:05] <lixian> djlewis_1: You sounds like one of my friends who always say so to push me work hard.
  • [23:04:45] <kblin> djlewis_1: well, the newer XMs don't have a NAND-based uboot, I heard some of the early ones had
  • [23:05:02] <lixian> If so, that make sense.
  • [23:05:02] <mru> the early (sold) ones had nand, yes
  • [23:05:11] <kblin> mine sure hasn't :)
  • [23:05:14] <djlewis_1> hmm, so if the sd is barf'd there might be no outut?
  • [23:05:14] <mru> but only because those were the only pop chips they could get
  • [23:05:22] <lixian> I saw this http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext
  • [23:05:31] <lixian> It skipped NAND part.
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  • [23:05:45] <mru> you should always get some gibberish including "60" on the serial
  • [23:05:46] <kblin> djlewis_1: well, I think you still get a "60"
  • [23:05:58] <kblin> mru: I just got "60" when I tried
  • [23:06:14] <mru> that means your cabling is good
  • [23:06:16] <kblin> but I sure had a board that had no serial output whatsoever :)
  • [23:06:18] <mru> at least in one direction
  • [23:07:02] <kblin> no voltage between the board's TX and GND pins on the serial connector
  • [23:07:35] <kblin> lixian: but just to make sure, you've got an SD card in the board?
  • [23:08:46] <lixian> Yep.
  • [23:08:52] <lixian> It came with that.
  • [23:09:15] <Guest36647> hey all How can get a nick name?
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  • [23:09:50] <YOUR_NAME> /nick YOUR_NAME
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  • [23:09:59] <lixian> lol
  • [23:10:26] <kblin> lixian: do you happen to have another one?
  • [23:10:28] <lixian> /msg nickserv register <password>
  • [23:10:38] <lixian> Another what?
  • [23:10:42] <jkridner|work> Just saw http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-beagleboard-xm/ came out.
  • [23:10:44] <kblin> SD card
  • [23:11:02] <lixian> I could get one.
  • [23:11:21] <tharvey> Ceriand|work, that does seem to be the case - the IRQ musb receives is a VBUSERROR and as a result it tries to restart the session which must enable the charge pump
  • [23:12:05] <kblin> lixian: just to grab your own copy of the validation image to test if this isn't some broken sd card messing you up
  • [23:12:34] <kblin> oh, and you might want to try if you get that "60" output if you start without the sd card
  • [23:12:35] <lixian> kblin: Aha. Good idea.
  • [23:12:47] <lixian> How shall I try to get 60?
  • [23:13:07] <djlewis_1> power cycle
  • [23:13:13] <kblin> just eject the sd card and power cycle the board
  • [23:13:17] <mru> don't worry if you only get 54 or so at first
  • [23:13:35] <djlewis_1> or 26+26
  • [23:13:37] <kblin> yeah, it's easy to add 6 later ;)
  • [23:13:40] <lixian> lol
  • [23:13:49] <lixian> I will see 60 from minicom?
  • [23:14:02] <kblin> that's the theory
  • [23:14:10] <djlewis_1> the rom in the omap emits the 60
  • [23:14:50] <mru> card or not
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  • [23:15:13] <djlewis_1> oops
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  • [23:16:09] <lixian> I didn't see anything printed out.
  • [23:16:16] <lixian> :(
  • [23:16:32] <djlewis_1> back to cables, adapters, protocol etc
  • [23:17:49] <djlewis_1> out-a-here, later.
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  • [23:28:27] <HokieTux> jkridner|work: Crofton|work just pointed me to you on Twitter. You should see bhilburn follow you in a moment.
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  • [23:33:10] <cwicks> jkridner|work or anyone, do we have an WLAN hardware solution for BeagleXM?
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  • [23:41:22] <cwicks> what I'm really asking is if anyone has connected TI's WiLink??? 6.0 (WL1271) solution to the BeagleXM yet?
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  • [23:50:11] <jkridner|work> cwicks: a board exists... not sure when it will launch.
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  • [23:50:55] <cwicks> so options today include the OMAPEVM + WL1271 or a Gumstix
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  • [23:52:16] <cwicks> This is a robot application