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[02:29:09] <djlewis> emeb: ping
[02:33:10] <emeb> djlewis: pong
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[02:35:36] <djlewis> just read the whole serial of my dso
[02:35:51] <emeb> what's that tell you?
[02:35:52] <djlewis> 00.02.04.01 so it is short a rev
[02:36:24] <emeb> some concern that might behave differently?
[02:37:33] <djlewis> no, it is known and tested at least
[02:38:51] <emeb> I find it highly amusing that there is this battle between the users & mfg
[02:39:03] <emeb> over the 100MHz hack.
[02:39:29] <emeb> Rigol could stop 95% of this just by putting a hardware jumper on the board to flag the BW
[02:39:32] <prpplague> emeb: what is the latest on that?
[02:40:12] <emeb> prpplague: users found a hack, Rigol revs the firmware to block it, users find a way around, next move is Rigol's
[02:40:14] <djlewis> a hardware hack is already known if the software stops working
[02:40:31] <prpplague> emeb: ahh i didn't know they rev'd the firmware
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[02:40:48] <djlewis> prpplague: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=553.90
[02:40:49] <emeb> djlewis: yes, but most users won't mod the HW
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[02:40:57] <djlewis> I got my scope today
[02:41:01] <prpplague> djlewis: thanks
[02:41:25] <djlewis> emeb: yes, it is a little challenging
[02:41:48] <emeb> djlewis: even if it was just cutting a jumper most folks wouldn't dare open the case.
[02:42:26] <emeb> but yeah - fiddling with the varactors is even better hurdle
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[02:44:01] <emeb> djlewis: how you liking the new toy so far?
[02:44:43] <djlewis> I just got it out of the box the second time. Read the real serial thru usb, fiddling
[02:45:07] <djlewis> It is sooo far advanced from my 30+ year o-scope experience
[02:45:26] <djlewis> 30 ago that is
[02:45:41] <djlewis> I have the 20 Mhz antic Tek upstairs
[02:45:48] <djlewis> antique
[02:45:51] <emeb> how's the weight? I recall these lunchbox style DSOs feel like toys.
[02:46:19] <djlewis> the screen is plenty big and color. They squeeze a lot of info on it
[02:46:39] <djlewis> very light.
[02:46:59] <djlewis> once I carried a Tek 465B on my motorcycle to a service call.
[02:47:13] <Crofton> rofl
[02:47:17] <Crofton> I love that scope
[02:47:26] <djlewis> I did too
[02:47:46] <djlewis> I got stupid and sold it for a semester college tuition
[02:48:46] <djlewis> it is showing noise on the top and bottom of the test sq wave at 1mv
[02:48:58] <djlewis> 1V correction
[02:51:01] <emeb> 1Msample memory!
[02:51:14] <emeb> Low end Tek DSOs only have 2.5k!
[02:55:08] <djlewis> noise http://imagebin.org/112338
[02:55:46] <djlewis> emeb: te display shows interlace lines like ntsc
[02:55:48] <emeb> djlewis: fairly typical for DSOs w/ low vertical resolution
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[02:56:04] <djlewis> 8bit, right?
[02:56:07] <emeb> yep
[02:56:35] <emeb> I see that alternating red/green shading on the gray areas too.
[02:56:50] <djlewis> could be my webcam
[02:57:21] <emeb> doubt it - it seems lined up with the display, not the image boundaries
[02:57:36] <emeb> they're probably using inexpensive TV displays
[02:57:41] <djlewis> doesnt show on actual screen
[02:58:01] <emeb> might be a strobing thing then
[02:58:09] <djlewis> a freeze frame artifact?
[02:59:38] <prpplague> ho ho hum
[02:59:40] <emeb> that would be my guess
[02:59:47] <emeb> and a bottle of...
[02:59:52] * prpplague has way too many irons in the fire
[03:00:00] <emeb> never bored
[03:00:04] <djlewis> yummy yummy rum
[03:00:19] <djlewis> prpplague: you been thinking on this DSO?
[03:00:44] <prpplague> djlewis: only been reading about it
[03:01:00] <prpplague> djlewis: LA stuff tends to be more of what i need
[03:01:11] <prpplague> djlewis: just sick of windows only devices
[03:01:54] * emeb still needs to try that linux-based LA software prpplague pointed out
[03:02:23] <prpplague> emeb: indeed, i've been tinkering with it, but just too much going on to do anything big with it
[03:02:27] <emeb> sigrok..
[03:02:48] <emeb> panda keeping you busy?
[03:03:02] <djlewis> prpplague: i wanted the Rigol ds1052D with the 16 ch la
[03:03:14] <djlewis> around $1k
[03:03:27] <prpplague> emeb: more than you will ever know
[03:03:34] <emeb> not surprised.
[03:03:58] * emeb is looking at the higher-end Rigols
[03:04:17] <emeb> 4chl / 200MHz - $1900
[03:04:31] <emeb> but not today...
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[03:04:58] <prpplague> emeb: nice
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[03:05:24] <emeb> prpplague: yep - still about $600 cheaper than equivalent Tek scopes.
[03:05:24] <prpplague> emeb: 99% of my DSO needs are for power up sequences, and clock verifications
[03:05:41] <emeb> prpplague: and long record lengths are probably handy for that
[03:05:55] <prpplague> emeb: yea
[03:06:05] <emeb> a lot of these high BW scopes top out at a couple Ksamples.
[03:06:14] <emeb> but the low-end Rigol has 1Msample!
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[03:06:21] <prpplague> emeb: ahh nice
[03:06:44] <emeb> must be a break-point in the memory access speeds somewhere in there
[03:06:49] <prpplague> emeb: when you have 6 or 7 power rails that you need to sequence, it can be a pain if you only have a few k samples
[03:06:55] <djlewis> 1g sample
[03:07:30] <emeb> djlewis: you sure about that? I think that may be the sample rate
[03:07:38] <djlewis> checking
[03:08:05] <emeb> prpplague: power sequencing is tricky stuff.
[03:08:20] * emeb blew up some RF amps due to that
[03:08:37] <emeb> never apply Vgs before Vds
[03:08:44] <djlewis> emeb: 1M point deep mem, 1GSa/sec
[03:08:49] <djlewis> max sample rate
[03:09:01] <djlewis> one channel I think
[03:09:02] <emeb> djlewis: that sounds right. Still - can't complain about 1Mpt
[03:11:26] * ds2 grumbles about the bit oven's preheat time
[03:11:35] <emeb> bit oven?
[03:12:14] <ds2> how else do you bake bits?
[03:12:43] <emeb> ds2: how long does bitbake console-image take for you?
[03:13:02] <ds2> emeb: *shrug* the distro I am using don't have that
[03:13:14] <ds2> if it was doing something, I'd not be grumbling about it
[03:13:20] <emeb> ah - home-grown distro?
[03:13:29] <ds2> of sorts, yes
[03:13:45] <emeb> sit & spin mode?
[03:13:48] <ds2> it is the preheat interval that was annoying
[03:13:59] <ds2> yep. that's the preheat interval
[03:14:38] <emeb> where the python scripts plow through the processes to tell you 'nothing to do here'
[03:15:10] <ds2> one would hope it won't do that here as I am messing with the bb files
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[03:15:39] <ds2> but it is a good test to see if you did the right PR magic
[03:16:13] <emeb> that's beyond my experience
[03:16:20] * emeb hasn't tweaked recipes yet
[03:16:26] <nakali> just got my bb-xm. inserted the sd card, powered up but dont see any out put on hdmi and red led is not flashing (like it is supposed to?)
[03:16:33] <ds2> they are just silly python scripts
[03:17:09] <emeb> nakali: if the red LED ever flashes you're in trouble - that's the overvoltage indicator
[03:17:32] <djlewis> used to a green led flashed after kernel load
[03:17:40] <emeb> nakali: how are you powering your new BB?
[03:17:44] <djlewis> heartbeat style
[03:17:44] <ds2> that is all relative.... the red light not flashing could be an undervoltage indicator for the red LED ;)
[03:18:10] <nakali> powerng with a 5 v ps
[03:18:14] * djlewis needs some signals to play with with new o-scope
[03:18:28] <ds2> djlewis: didn't you order an arbitrary programmable wave generator?
[03:18:30] <emeb> nakali: that's a good start - too many folks have trouble using USB power
[03:18:55] <emeb> djlewis: hook up to BB audio out & play some tunes
[03:18:59] <nakali> the stock microsd card should bootup right?
[03:19:07] <djlewis> boreing
[03:19:11] <emeb> nakali: I believe so
[03:19:21] * emeb doesn't have an xM
[03:19:49] <ds2> djlewis: turn the BB into a DDS generator
[03:20:25] <ds2> feed that back into a mixer and take the output of that as a direct conversion SW receiver
[03:20:46] <djlewis> sounds intriquing
[03:20:50] <emeb> ds2: did you seem my little TXDAC board?
[03:21:15] <djlewis> prpplague: how does one find the panda with google?
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[03:22:03] <ds2> emeb: nope
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[03:22:37] <nakali> jkridner are you there
[03:23:35] <emeb> ds2: I built a little TXDAC board to plug into the Beagle FPGA board
[03:23:49] <emeb> made a little DDS w/ it under SPI control from BB
[03:23:49] <ds2> emeb: for a DDS?
[03:24:04] <nakali> anyone running asterisk on bb
[03:24:07] <ds2> what clock rate can you get?
[03:24:17] <emeb> 50MHz sample rate with the crystal I've got on the board
[03:24:36] <emeb> there's a 68MHz osc on the board too, but it's a bit noisier
[03:24:38] <ds2> so you top out at 25MHz output?
[03:24:42] <emeb> yep
[03:25:04] <emeb> put a 23MHz LPF on it to knock down the aliases
[03:25:10] <ds2> how much energy is there above 25MHz? (spurs, harmonics, etc)
[03:25:36] <emeb> I've got a screenshot from the spectrum analyzer around here somewhere. Just a moment...
[03:26:53] <emeb> http://imagebin.org/112340
[03:27:36] <emeb> marker 1 is 2nd harmonic
[03:27:53] <emeb> higher peaks are aliases
[03:28:04] <ds2> *nod*
[03:28:15] <ds2> is it about 50dB down?
[03:28:20] <emeb> That's w/ a 12-bit ADI TXDAC
[03:28:36] <emeb> looks like just under 60 to me
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[03:28:57] <emeb> 58.41dB according to marker in upper right
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[03:29:13] <ds2> ah right
[03:29:45] <emeb> anyway - that's a simple sine DDS based on stock core from Xilinx
[03:30:00] <emeb> Could add fancy modulations, etc.
[03:30:23] <ds2> build another one and generate quad signals
[03:30:29] <djlewis> DSO dshow H/S/BperSector etc rather than thumb drive size
[03:30:33] <ds2> then use them with a DBM
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[03:33:08] <prpplague> djlewis: probably can't find too much yet
[03:33:52] <djlewis> IprpI NEED TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT IT IS ;)
[03:33:59] <djlewis> sorry bout caps
[03:34:57] <djlewis> prpplague: i need to learn wht it is
[03:35:03] <emeb> ds2: I've enough boards & parts to do just that.
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[03:35:09] <sean> hi
[03:35:15] <prpplague> djlewis: panda is an omap4 based board
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[03:35:42] <djlewis> oh, the other night I was thinking it was something else
[03:35:59] <djlewis> your new creation then
[03:36:08] <Guest23321> my PICO projector seems to show only orange screen when turning on beagle card
[03:36:23] <Guest23321> can anyone help?
[03:36:25] <emeb> djlewis: panda -> http://cuteoverload.com/2010/08/31/thhhhhhfffffbbbbt/
[03:36:44] <prpplague> emeb: hehe
[03:36:57] <Guest23321> trying to boot with SD card, but in vain so far
[03:37:16] <prpplague> djlewis: i can't take credit for panda
[03:37:20] <djlewis> Guest23321: sounds normal
[03:37:23] <emeb> prpplague: that old 'eats shoots & leaves' joke again...
[03:37:36] <prpplague> hehe
[03:39:52] <djlewis> Guest23321: i b elieve there is a orange screen during uboot.
[03:40:11] <djlewis> might be during uImage load
[03:41:18] <Guest23321> djlewis: is there any indicator when it is loaded?
[03:41:41] <djlewis> Guest23321: I have no boot with pico experience.
[03:42:08] <djlewis> is your pico using hdmi connector?
[03:42:22] <Guest23321> yes
[03:42:42] <djlewis> do you have a serial console connected?
[03:43:12] <Guest23321> what is serial console?
[03:43:18] <djlewis> hmmm
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[03:43:37] <djlewis> are you using a beagleboard and what filesystem>?
[03:44:05] <Guest23321> I only put in a SD card, 5v power and hdmi to PICO
[03:44:07] <djlewis> which beagleboard?
[03:44:20] <djlewis> a empty sd card?
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[03:44:33] <Guest23321> filesystem for SD part 1 is FAT32, 2nd is ext3
[03:44:41] <ds2> ~
[03:45:08] <djlewis> have you read the beginners wiki at beagleboard.org?
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[03:45:24] <Guest23321> formatted with http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ mkcard.txt
[03:45:36] <Guest23321> yes
[03:47:21] <djlewis> do you have a regular dvi monitor to try?
[03:47:39] <djlewis> a serial console could let you know if it is booting or not
[03:49:03] <Guest23321> ok, I should try that for the time being. So far there's not regular dvi monitor
[03:50:19] <djlewis> If you get a serial port hookup to your PC you can learn so much more about the state of the boot
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[04:12:01] <djlewis> emeb: i did all the checks, it r/w 's my thumb drive properly.
[04:12:13] <djlewis> now if I can just refrain from trying it.
[04:14:29] <djlewis> gn all
[04:14:31] <emeb> gn
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[04:44:02] <chang> There is no sound coming from my beagle board with android OS , running alsa application
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[04:44:19] <chang> Have anyone face such problem?
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[04:49:49] <_av500_> rowboat?
[04:49:58] <_av500_> or 0xdroid?
[04:50:51] <ds2> we turn to let the problems flow through
[04:55:20] <chang> i am using embinux images on my BB
[05:03:14] <chang> Hi av500 , i have made one alsa test application which set sound card to SR to 44100, channel 2, RE_INTERLEAVED and 16 bit LE. My application read 1.pcm file and play the content of file. This test is running successfully on linux but there is a problem while running on android. It is seeting hw and sw parameters properly, in fact test is running also but no sound is coming out from device. I don't understand where will be the problem
[05:03:29] <chang> Do you have any idea where will be the problem?
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[05:30:21] <_av500_> chang: no idea
[05:30:33] <_av500_> embinux somehow stopped supporting their android
[05:30:56] <_av500_> these days rowboat or 0xdroid might be a better choice
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[05:31:53] <beagle_user> hello
[05:31:59] <beagle_user> anyone know about dspeasy!?
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[05:34:44] <Bhargav> hello everyone
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[07:51:24] <tasslehoff> Is there a wiki/howto for installing SGX on the beagleboard and getting Qt to use it? I found http://swik.net/Trolltech/Trolltech+Labs+Blogs/Building+Qt+to+make+use+of+the+Beagle+board%E2%80%99s+SGX+GPU/da13l, but since it's almost a year old I wanted to check if there's something more up-to-date
[07:57:45] <jacekowski> it's same beagle board
[07:57:48] <jacekowski> same sgx
[07:57:51] <jacekowski> nothing has changed
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[07:59:23] <tasslehoff> jacekowski: ok. I figured perhaps something could have changed in Qt/OE/Angstrom.
[07:59:48] * tasslehoff trudges happily along
[08:17:14] <koen> tasslehoff: opkg install qt4-plugin-graphicssystems-glgraphicssystem
[08:17:17] <koen> for q/x11
[08:17:36] <koen> for qt/e: opkg install qt4-embedded-plugin-gfxdriver-gfxpvregl
[08:18:29] <koen> tasslehoff: if you go to narcissus, expand "Platform specific packages" and click on the "PowerVR SGX gfxdriver plugin for QT*" checkboxes
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[08:23:03] <tasslehoff> koen: thanks a bunch. I'm after the qt/e solution. an install in my custom own-built rootfs followed by a reboot should do it I hope.
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[08:28:31] <same> I am getting error on ALSA device open
[08:29:41] <mru> same: please don't bother people with private messages
[08:30:00] <same> sorry for that
[08:30:05] <mru> if we know the answer, we'll give it here
[08:30:07] <same> it will not happend again
[08:30:10] <mru> but first you have to ask a question
[08:30:23] <koen> mru: standard operating procedure for people from the india region of the world :)
[08:30:51] <mru> koen: but usually they pick the last person to have said something
[08:30:57] <mru> I've been silent since yesterday
[08:31:19] <mru> unless they have a designated victim from prior channel visits of course
[08:31:29] <av500> .
[08:31:34] <av500> (pm bait)
[08:32:07] <same> snd_pcm_open error "No such file or directory"
[08:32:21] <mru> anything in /dev/snd/ ?
[08:32:25] <tasslehoff> av500: everytime I wonder about dots I will pm you
[08:32:26] <same> yes
[08:32:55] <same> i am able to open in command line
[08:33:09] <same> but it is not possilble wtih android 2.2 apk file
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[08:33:30] <tasslehoff> koen: for my own rootfs.bb, adding qt4-embedded-plugin-gfxdriver-gfxpvregl and picking up the compile errors should do the trick?
[08:34:02] <av500> same: permissions
[08:34:11] <same> from my application.apk i am not able to open
[08:34:16] <av500> android apks are not supposed to talk to alsa
[08:34:20] <av500> you talk to audioflinger
[08:34:29] <av500> which flings the audio wherever you want
[08:35:18] <same> i am linking libasound.so in my application
[08:35:57] <jacekowski> good for you
[08:36:18] <mru> av500: no, wherever *it* wants
[08:36:25] <mru> av500: and you know *it*
[08:36:36] <av500> same: still your app is not allowed to talk to the alsa device
[08:36:46] <av500> imagine every apk opening alsa
[08:37:00] <same> so what will be next step for me
[08:38:04] <av500> dont talk to alsa directly
[08:38:08] <av500> or hack android
[08:41:23] <av500> same: why would you want to link to alsa?
[08:42:13] <same> I have make small apllication to play mp3 file
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[08:46:58] <same> av500 any recomendations
[08:48:13] <av500> same: I wonder how all the other android apps play music
[08:48:21] <same> for my collge i have shown wav file playback with commanline application and now I want to make apk file
[08:48:46] <av500> you made wav commandline playback?
[08:48:47] <av500> wow
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[08:51:56] <same> wav playback is simple , it was intresting with alsa driver, but it will be more intresting with apk file
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[08:53:22] <av500> same: how do you imagine to share alsa between your apk and android audio framework?
[08:53:30] <av500> inb4 pulseaudio
[08:54:34] <tasslehoff> no.. probably just use qt4-embedded-gles instead of qt4-embedded
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[09:04:21] <same> av500 thanks for you help
[09:04:25] <same> i need to go
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[10:50:20] <ucasano> hi
[10:50:44] <ucasano> do you know if it is possible to run an operating system different from linux on the BB?
[10:51:00] <av500> yes
[10:51:08] <av500> the cpu does not discriminate
[10:53:04] <ucasano> could you make a few examples
[10:53:23] <ucasano> of such OS or, why not, monitor software?
[10:53:49] <ucasano> I think it is a little hard to start from linux
[10:54:11] <ucasano> first of all, I read that there are two different kernel repository
[10:54:26] <ucasano> the official at kernel.org and the unofficial at muru
[10:54:29] <ucasano> is that right?
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[11:01:53] <mru> wtf is muru?
[11:01:54] <adj> there are at least gadzillion repositories
[11:02:24] <adj> plus perhaps absurdillion repositories for different patches
[11:04:38] <adj> mru, muru.com ? http://www.muru.com/linux/omap/
[11:04:50] <mru> never heard of
[11:05:07] <mru> must be very unofficial indeed
[11:05:08] <av500> mru: you lost your "u" and are now in denial?
[11:05:24] <adj> "Some of the most recent patches are:" "Linux-2.6.27-omap1"
[11:05:31] <mru> lol
[11:06:05] <av500> well, they mention the omap4
[11:06:28] <av500> and tell people to go elsewhere
[11:06:36] <mru> and link to the tmlind tree
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[11:25:08] <koen> mru: muru.com is Tony's site
[11:25:27] <mru> still looks kinda outdated
[11:25:33] <koen> it is
[11:25:51] <koen> but if having 2 kernel tries is already too much....
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[11:56:50] <av500> omeegod: http://home.kosyak.info/archos.JPG
[12:03:14] <ynezz> shame it's by default for 800x480 and looks ugly in hd720 :)
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[12:07:20] <dm8tbr> av500: ohMeeGoD?
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[12:09:33] <av500> ynezz: well, pic shows it running in 800x480 :)
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[13:00:18] <djlewis> gm guys
[13:00:36] <av500> gm djlewis
[13:00:39] <av500> got 200mhz?
[13:00:44] <djlewis> hehee
[13:01:06] <av500> we played with the signalhound this morning, nice
[13:01:17] <av500> but the gui sw sucks
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[13:01:51] <djlewis> the gui sftwre for this DSO is a big clunky. In speed that is
[13:04:09] <djlewis> as I got a $100 coupon toward my next Rigol purchase, its got me pondering..
[13:04:27] <djlewis> this dso is the least expensive item they carry
[13:07:12] <djlewis> Crofton: are you hunkering down forhurricane earl?
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[13:24:50] <Crofton> nah
[13:24:52] <Crofton> we are inland
[13:33:03] <jkridner> good morning all
[13:33:28] <av500> gm
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[13:47:27] <djlewis> gm jkridner and Crofton:
[13:47:36] <djlewis> Crofton: this is good news
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[13:51:42] * djlewis should run out and stock up on plywood before hurricane season hits hard :(
[13:51:57] <djlewis> before cost triples and it is hard to get.
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[13:52:10] <djlewis> I have a small building to build
[13:52:18] * mru stocks up on hurricanes
[13:52:59] * av500 waits for the west coast plywood bubble to burst
[13:52:59] <djlewis> lumber vendors are probably watching the market like the fuel business. Raise it just because :P
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[14:06:05] <Kmus> in a good way or bad :)
[14:06:08] <koen> why are you talking about miss Bardot?
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[14:06:26] <mru> koen: she likes dogs, no?
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[14:19:15] * djlewis just got his little female hound back in the yard.
[14:19:25] <djlewis> little digger :(
[14:19:56] * mru imagines a set of filthy paws
[14:20:16] <djlewis> yep, just about describes her
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[14:26:10] <jack__> where can i get android application information
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[16:09:20] <ben_kludged> hey ya'll
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[16:13:44] <djlewis> Hi Ho... Hi Ho... Its...(sing along)
[16:14:11] <av500> Its not Friday....
[16:14:18] <mru> soon it is
[16:14:42] <mru> and /me is in beer-land
[16:15:02] <av500> true
[16:15:36] <djlewis> no no, off to work i go, gotta admire those little dwarves
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[16:16:38] <djlewis> but, friday coming along is good too :)
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[16:18:31] <djlewis> osicillator... ...
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[16:18:50] <djlewis> cant even spell tht :P
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[16:19:04] <mru> and av500 can't add them
[16:19:14] <av500> heh
[16:19:28] <mru> or he's very good at it
[16:19:30] <mru> not quite sure
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[16:25:20] <ben_kludged> i did several bitbake builds,,, think task-base was the first,,, got lots of errors,,, fixed em and got a complet build,,,, 12 hours later,,, and a lot of used up disk space,,,how do i clean,, start over?
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[17:13:20] <Drumpi> good afternoon
[17:13:23] <Drumpi> ho are you?
[17:13:43] <jkridner> hi Drumpi. Doing something fun with a BeagleBoard?
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[17:14:04] * jkridner should make a bot ask that question.
[17:14:14] <Drumpi> yes, i'm doing my own BB guide
[17:14:44] <Drumpi> so i'm looking for some information
[17:14:58] <Drumpi> this time Matlab related
[17:15:28] <Drumpi> so i may someone can help me
[17:15:35] <Drumpi> *hope
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[17:16:27] * jkridner goes back to work instead of waiting forever for a question.
[17:16:52] <Drumpi> a question?
[17:17:03] * djlewis_ just got to work with his 2lb burrito
[17:17:20] <jkridner> ben_kludged: you can delete your tmp folder entirely to start fresh.
[17:17:45] <jkridner> are you using rm_work? It could help you save disk space.
[17:17:47] <Drumpi> ok, i want to know if you have some tutorial of using Matlab and Simulink to generate C code for BB DSP
[17:18:15] <Drumpi> all i can find it's about connecting Matlab with CCS
[17:18:23] <jkridner> Drumpi: ah, something I can Google for.
[17:18:32] <jkridner> well, you can use CCS with a BeagleBoard.
[17:18:47] <Drumpi> but i don't want to use CCS
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[17:19:18] <Drumpi> i just only need C code because i got toolchains ready to use out of CCS
[17:19:23] <jkridner> I think folks have used Matlab and Simulink to create code for a BB DSP, but I haven't been pointed to a tutorial yet.
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[17:20:29] <koen> does matlab know about the pragmas?
[17:20:38] <koen> if not, wouldn't the regular C export work?
[17:20:41] <ben_kludged> ah, that's simple enuf.... i just added INHERIT += "rm_work" to local.conf,,, this will keep it clean?
[17:21:20] <Drumpi> i just follow some links to here: http://www.mathworks.com/products/target-package/?s_cid=0909_webg_9b_c6000_trans_268513
[17:21:31] <Drumpi> but is a pay package
[17:22:23] <jkridner> ben_kludged: it is still possible to "mess up" the tmp folder with bad recipes, but it will remove many bits no longer needed during the build to save space.
[17:22:33] <koen> ben_kludged: if you use http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-setup-scripts then rm_work is enabled by default
[17:23:44] <ben_kludged> thanks,,, i think i need to revisit the setup-scripts... thanks again
[17:25:36] <Drumpi> i just lookin for how to put blocks on Simulink, their names, an the steps for make C code without needing CCS
[17:26:15] <Drumpi> Beagleboard's C64x+ blocks
[17:27:04] * mru suggests "making" C code with a text editor
[17:27:09] <jkridner> I think c6run could be helpful, if you can get simulink/matlab to produce optimized C6000 C code.
[17:27:10] <mru> emacs and vim are popular choices
[17:28:33] <koen> normally I would laugh when someone says "<cpu> optimized C"
[17:29:29] * emeb uses matlab & simulink, but never for code generation
[17:29:41] <Drumpi> C6000 matlab blocks supossed make optimiced DSP C code
[17:30:15] <koen> so it knows where to sprinkle the pragmas
[17:30:28] <Drumpi> and use Simulink, placing blocks and lines is easier than writing CODECs by code lines
[17:30:34] <djlewis_> the suggestion mru made insures better learning of it.
[17:30:54] <Drumpi> sorry, i don't know what pragmas are
[17:30:55] <jkridner> koen: should I say pragma-optimized C?
[17:31:14] <jkridner> Drumpi: doesn't matter if you know what they are as long as they are there. :)
[17:31:42] <jkridner> without them, inner loops won't be very well optimized on the C6000.
[17:32:24] <jkridner> you need to have the compiler do some loop unrolling with preludes and epilogs (or whatever the right terms are).
[17:32:38] <Drumpi> i don't wanna learn about making codecs, i looking for make easier developement of BB
[17:32:47] <koen> epilog makes now nice lasercutters
[17:33:29] <mru> "I want to make awesome stuff without knowing how"
[17:33:38] <Drumpi> i think using simulink optimiced blocks is a good choice to develop, because they was made by TI
[17:33:53] <mru> lol
[17:34:24] <mru> TI is a hardware company
[17:34:29] <mru> I wouldn't trust them with software
[17:34:33] <Drumpi> mru, don't mistake me, i'm writing a developement guide, not a programming guide
[17:35:01] <Drumpi> i writing about alternatives to code writing
[17:35:02] <mru> "if you can, do; if you can't, teach"
[17:35:24] <Drumpi> mru, i'm still an student
[17:35:30] * djlewis_ used that line on a lot of 'teachers' at his last university
[17:35:41] <emeb> djlewis_: how far did that get you?
[17:35:41] <mru> Drumpi: then you should be learning, not teaching
[17:35:51] <mru> emeb: all the way here
[17:36:02] <djlewis_> Oh, didn't you hear I won the mr popularity award?
[17:36:09] <Drumpi> if TI is HW company, who made CGTools or XDCtools?
[17:36:21] <mru> TI, and it shows
[17:36:40] <djlewis_> hehee
[17:36:59] * jkridner is still a bit proud of our compilers.
[17:37:06] * mru wouldn't be
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[17:37:27] * jkridner may be stuck in 1990.
[17:37:40] * mru considers publicly shaming the TI compilers on FATE
[17:37:44] <Drumpi> ok, i'm writing a guide as my final test for obtain my university title
[17:38:12] <emeb> Drumpi: it's a good thing to do
[17:38:35] <koen> cgt doesn't like custard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vla
[17:38:56] <jkridner> mru: I thought that you were raising issues with Roger to fix any CGT short-comings you saw.
[17:38:58] <mru> koen: that's not the worst part
[17:39:01] <Drumpi> and they give me a CD with mathworks information of how make signal processing using Simulink and a test borad, but not BB
[17:39:08] <emeb> your question seems to be essentially "How to integrate Matlab/Simulink development for the C64x with BB"
[17:39:08] <mru> I've got rid of most of the VLAs
[17:39:28] <mru> jkridner: I've raised a number of issues
[17:39:41] <mru> some have been fixed
[17:39:42] <mru> some not
[17:39:47] <Drumpi> emeb: yes, but not using CCS because i lost my license
[17:39:54] <mru> and some remain to be discovered
[17:40:05] <jkridner> well, if I need to light a fire under them again, let me know.
[17:40:19] <jkridner> I'd love to see them resolved and I think the compiler team is motivated to fix them.
[17:40:33] <emeb> Drumpi: so that boils down to "How to get raw C code for the C64x out of Matlab/Simulink"
[17:40:45] <emeb> which you can then compile with the free TI compiler
[17:40:54] <Drumpi> exactly
[17:41:03] <jkridner> Drumpi: CCS is available without a fee (ie. free as in beer) if you don't need the higher end emulator support.
[17:41:04] <emeb> This sounds like a question for the Matlab experts
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[17:41:32] * koen denies knowing anything about matlab
[17:41:51] * mru used it a long time ago in uni
[17:41:53] <emeb> Drumpi: in other words - your not likely to find a good answer on this chl :)
[17:42:04] <jkridner> I'd still want to tie the answer up to c6run, because if you just get compilable C code, then how do you load and run it on the BeagleBoard?
[17:42:05] <emeb> s/your/you're/
[17:42:10] <Drumpi> so no-one worked with mathlab here?
[17:42:29] <koen> I got pissed off when they changed the API
[17:42:31] <jkridner> not typically. I also used it in school.
[17:42:33] * mru spends his days writing asm
[17:42:34] * emeb doesn't generate code with Matlab/Simulink
[17:42:41] <mru> because compilers aren't good enough
[17:43:00] <koen> mru is gcc in the cloud
[17:43:02] <Drumpi> jkridner: i used DSPLink and some C code to load DSP code
[17:43:20] <mru> koen: I reported 3 armcc bugs last week
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[17:43:39] <Drumpi> and use XDCTools an CGTools and OpenEmbedded to make executables
[17:44:00] <Drumpi> in dsplink package is good documentation
[17:44:14] <Drumpi> and ossies wiki
[17:44:44] <Drumpi> http://ossie.wireless.vt.edu/trac/wiki/BeagleBoard_CodecEngine
[17:47:19] <Drumpi> so, i had installed full CCS and now i don't have license, now i must uninstall it if i want to use a free CCS version?
[17:49:18] <jkridner> Drumpi: I don't think so. I think you can install the limited license without a full uninstall, but I'm not certain.
[17:49:28] * jkridner searches wiki
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[17:52:01] <jkridner|work> Drumpi: which version do you have installed?
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[17:52:58] <Drumpi> i'm not sure, is in other PC, but CD sais "Platinum edition"
[17:53:11] <Drumpi> i think is CCS4
[17:53:29] <buZz> gnu <3
[17:53:51] <Drumpi> is just a lend for this guide, i must return it when I finish
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[17:54:20] <mru> buZz: you like large ruminants?
[17:54:31] * jkridner|work reads http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ccstudio.html
[17:56:22] <jkridner|work> Drumpi: what exactly is CCS doing when it says the license has expired? I believe that may only be a warning and may only prevent use of the high-speed emulators.
[17:58:35] <Drumpi> I don't remember, but i don't know why i cannot open the "XDAIS compilance" program to check some CODECS
[17:59:06] <buZz> mru: if they write free and open code, i would love any animal, no matter what appereance
[17:59:08] * jkridner|work reads http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/License_Server_Administration_for_CCS
[17:59:14] <Drumpi> and it is a XDCTools utility
[17:59:46] <mru> just hack the licence and be done with it
[18:00:53] <Drumpi> it's an idea
[18:01:03] * jkridner|work reads http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Download_CCS
[18:01:25] <Drumpi> i will check the license when i can use the other PC
[18:01:32] <Drumpi> thanks for the info
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[18:03:06] <mru> __av500__: what's with the extra-long wings?
[18:03:19] <__av500__> _av500_ is going to reboot
[18:03:28] <__av500__> or rather go offline
[18:03:42] <__av500__> so im migrating my virtual self
[18:06:37] * Drumpi working with new Matlab information
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[18:16:39] <djlewis_> welcome back _av500_
[18:17:17] <_av500_> hi
[18:19:34] <mru> wing-clipped!
[18:21:24] <ds2> morning
[18:21:31] <mru> morning ds2
[18:21:51] <mru> I see the friday crew is all gathered
[18:21:56] <mru> does that mean it's friday?
[18:22:13] <jkridner> +1
[18:22:18] <ds2> friday? uh...err...
[18:22:26] <_av500_> <<=1
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[18:22:36] <ds2> now if you can convince the folks that I have a call with that it is friday... ;)
[18:22:44] <djlewis_> hi ds2
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[18:22:56] <_av500_> ds2: patch me in and its done
[18:22:56] <emeb> ...they'll wonder why you didn't talk to them yesterday...
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[18:23:20] * jkridner prefers *=2 for clarity and trusts compilers to do the wrong thing.
[18:23:36] <ds2> when in doubt, use assembly ;)
[18:23:40] <emeb> +1
[18:23:46] <ds2> if your assembler is broq then....
[18:23:48] <_av500_> jkridner: oh you mean the little per script?
[18:23:52] <_av500_> perl
[18:24:03] <mru> ds2: then you're not giving him enough beer
[18:24:07] <emeb> ...have another beer?
[18:24:24] * emeb and mru are reading from the same page
[18:24:43] <ds2> they need to start with ever clear shots
[18:24:59] <jkridner> += 151
[18:25:26] <emeb> so smooth
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[19:03:14] <torusle> hi folks
[19:03:28] <_av500_> hi torusle
[19:03:33] <torusle> hi av500
[19:03:51] <torusle> emeb, are you awake?
[19:04:41] <emeb> yep
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[19:05:09] <__av500__> dont ask
[19:05:17] <torusle> emeb, I forgot the part-number of the one codec chip that works with 1.8v digital... it was WD-something.. do you still have it?
[19:05:25] <emeb> WM8731
[19:05:29] <torusle> thnx..
[19:05:34] <torusle> <-- gotta place an order.
[19:05:49] <emeb> make sure to get the right package
[19:06:03] <torusle> the WhatNot4030 chip is to strange for me.
[19:06:16] <emeb> the tssop devices are easier to use but the csp/qfn packages are more common
[19:06:34] <emeb> TWL4030 is a strange beast
[19:06:42] <emeb> too much going on in that part
[19:07:11] <torusle> emeb. In the worst case I have to bribe some workmate from the hardware department to solder the chip on a converter-board...
[19:07:34] <emeb> buy converter boards too - all available from Mouser
[19:07:50] <emeb> a panel of scored adapter boards is like $45
[19:07:56] <emeb> overkill - yes
[19:07:57] <torusle> emeb, You've mentioned that someone had a problem with the chip doing strange things on the lower cycle of the sine, didn't you?
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[19:08:28] <emeb> Somewone here was having trouble with the TWL4030 headphone outputs mangling the waveform
[19:08:30] <torusle> futurelec has nice (and much cheaper boards= as well.
[19:08:36] <torusle> heck yes..
[19:08:51] <torusle> I have a sample of a clean sine that I send via McBsp... wanna see it?
[19:08:56] <emeb> I never saw his code so I don't know if it was his algo or the hw
[19:09:02] <emeb> sure
[19:09:36] <torusle> My code *does* has a bug. I skip blocks.. but otherwise it's super strange..
[19:09:43] <torusle> <-- uploads
[19:11:29] <torusle> http://torus.untergrund.net/code/test.wav
[19:11:32] <torusle> should work.
[19:11:49] <torusle> The codec ran at 8khz at the moment btw..
[19:13:12] <torusle> that ought to be a clean sine-wave..
[19:13:12] * emeb installs audacity to view a .wav
[19:13:17] <torusle> *lol*
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[19:14:05] <torusle> in the meantime I can write my current thoughts:
[19:14:20] <torusle> I write to the McBSP (via L4 interconnect) using the EDMA4.
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[19:15:17] <torusle> On the OMAP3530 you can't use the SAM and DAM anymore (that was a feature where you stream from one address and write the data to a single memory location... like the transmit register of the McBSP for example).
[19:15:22] <emeb> torusle: that's certainly not a sinewave.
[19:15:30] <torusle> I know..
[19:15:45] <torusle> the positive halfwave is chunky...
[19:15:45] <emeb> looks like the top half of a sinewave but out of order
[19:16:12] <torusle> the strange thing is:
[19:16:13] <emeb> like there are chunks missing
[19:16:20] <torusle> there are chunks missing.
[19:16:40] <emeb> but then the bottom half is completely gone
[19:16:45] <torusle> but the strange thing is: I send the exact data-rate to the codec.
[19:16:55] <torusle> otherwise I would get an over- or underflow..
[19:17:01] <torusle> so the numbers of samples is right..
[19:17:13] <emeb> maybe the DMA isn't getting stuff in the right sequence?
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[19:17:53] <torusle> and the data I send is fine as well. I changed my code to stream not into the McBSP register but into a free 16mb of data.
[19:17:54] <emeb> you're doing this from the DSP, right?
[19:18:08] <torusle> later I saved that memory-region and the data looks perfect.
[19:18:11] <torusle> yes.
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[19:18:51] <torusle> I have the feeling that the McBSP is sometimes seening byte writes, and sometime seeing dword writes..
[19:19:15] <emeb> hmm - I'd expect more distortion for word/byte confusion
[19:19:17] <torusle> and it always takes whatever it sees, puts that into the internal buffer and ignores the writes to the uppe bytes.
[19:19:31] <torusle> emeb, yes..
[19:19:46] <torusle> I would expect worse things as well.
[19:19:58] <torusle> fun fact: The bug changes with the frequency of the test-signal.
[19:20:06] <emeb> kewl
[19:20:18] <torusle> and it is independent on my DMA-buffer size.
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[19:21:50] <torusle> to bad that I can't tap the McBSP2 signals... I have GoLogic analyzer at work, and if the pins would be accessible someow I could simply hook it up, do a capture and see if I mess up on the digital side or if the Codec does strange things.
[19:22:15] <emeb> try sending it to one of the other McBSPs & capture that?
[19:22:16] <_av500_> use thin needle and steady hand?
[19:22:33] <emeb> or buy an xM with McBSP2 exposed
[19:22:37] <torusle> av500 that would be doable.
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[19:23:20] <torusle> next try will be to hook up one of those "to simple to mess up with" codecs (the WD thing) and give it another try.
[19:24:01] <torusle> but streaming to a unused McBSP is a clever idea!
[19:24:31] <torusle> <-- will ask his boss if it's okay if I borrow some super-expensive test-equipment over the weekend..
[19:25:00] * emeb installs gerbv to look at the BB layout
[19:27:10] <torusle> emeb, btw, and to close this problem: I tried each and every TWL4030 register so far, and it seems that the problem somewhat changes if I mess up with the anti-klick and soft volume registers..
[19:27:32] <torusle> but I have verified that I write exactly the same thing into the chip as the Linux ALSA driver does..
[19:27:40] <emeb> torusle: not surprising
[19:27:43] <torusle> it's a strange beast..
[19:27:56] <torusle> it's not?
[19:28:06] <emeb> agree
[19:28:08] <torusle> emeb, tell me more please!
[19:28:42] <emeb> The anti-click etc features do some funny processing on the audio
[19:28:58] <emeb> no telling what happens when they're not set up right
[19:29:17] <emeb> or if something else is set up wrong and they screw things up further
[19:29:24] * _av500_ chose well not to use the TWL
[19:29:39] <emeb> _av500_: best to use something simpler
[19:29:45] <torusle> good to know..
[19:29:47] <emeb> what did you use
[19:29:51] <_av500_> WM
[19:29:53] <torusle> maybe I'm not all that stupid.
[19:30:05] <emeb> yay Wolfson
[19:30:14] <_av500_> we looked at TWL, and a) the audio was crap
[19:30:20] <emeb> nod
[19:30:23] <_av500_> and b) the PMIC part was not enough
[19:30:51] * koen wonders who thought it was a good idea to put audio into a PMIC
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[19:31:05] <_av500_> koen: a middle manager?
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[19:31:30] <emeb> "audio is analog, power is analog - let's put them on the same die!"
[19:31:48] <_av500_> yeah
[19:31:49] <torusle> I knew that the TWL is not hifi, but to get things up and running it ought to be good enough. I never had thought that I burn weeks into getting even basic playback running (capture works like a charm btw..)
[19:31:54] <emeb> and don't get started on the key scanner
[19:32:05] <emeb> and USB phy
[19:32:10] <emeb> and... and...
[19:32:59] <emeb> torusle: part of the problem is that for efficient audio power amps they do some crazy stuff.
[19:33:06] <emeb> so output is more complicated than input
[19:33:39] <torusle> <--- will place an order for a WD codec tonight.
[19:33:48] <torusle> enough is enough :-)
[19:34:01] <emeb> my hat's off to sakoman for getting the TWL working as well as it does...
[19:34:10] <torusle> absolutely.
[19:34:46] <emeb> torusle: don't forget - WM8731, not WD. :)
[19:35:21] <torusle> emeb, cut'n'pasted.. thanks
[19:35:35] <emeb> lunchtime...
[19:39:15] <torusle> On the positive side: I do *lot* if I??C at work, and the I??C blocks on the OMAP3530 are exquisite. The client I communicate with misbeaves a lot on the I??C, but the OMAP block always recoverd internally... Heads up for those who designed that part.
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[21:02:53] <mru> _av500_: http://blogs.arm.com/smart-mobile-devices/product-scalability-archos-leverages-the-arm-ecosystem-to-enable-choice/
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[21:19:32] <ds2> geeze...being able to read docs is a dependency now?!
[21:20:07] <emeb> what - you don't want to pull the entire LaTex system in when you need docs?
[21:20:12] <jkridner> mru: just tweeted/rss-feeded that article. I didn't find much meat in it.
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[21:20:30] * emeb browses the Archos site - nice new toys
[21:20:41] <mru> jkridner: of course not, it's not the kind of post that tells you anything
[21:21:04] <mru> I only pasted the link to feed av500's ego
[21:22:16] <_av500_> mru: : lol and thanks
[21:22:35] <_av500_> its from an arm marketroid, but still, nice :)
[21:23:18] <ds2> anyone here going to the ARMcon?
[21:23:30] <mru> there are too many cons
[21:23:34] <emeb> _av500_: I seen the uSD slot is available on the 43 model
[21:23:37] <_av500_> floodcon
[21:23:43] <_av500_> emeb: yep
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[21:23:53] <sakoman> ds2: too much $$
[21:24:08] <_av500_> does one get to shout at arm there, i might go...
[21:24:10] <mru> sakoman: the idea is to get someone else to pay
[21:24:24] <ds2> sakoman: not even the exhibits only pass?
[21:24:43] <mru> when is it btw?
[21:24:54] <sakoman> mru: teach me how to do that :-)
[21:25:02] <emeb> Looks like the HD camera is better than the one the fruit company provides on their media player...
[21:25:11] <_av500_> emeb: ?
[21:25:20] <_av500_> its a 2mp or so
[21:25:26] <ars> I am looking for an stable kernel image that is compatible with Revision C3 and has support ttyS1 on expansion header. Any suggestions?
[21:25:28] <sakoman> ds2: exhibits pass + travel + lodging + meanls
[21:25:32] <dm8tbr> _av500_: why did you fall for that macrobe scam again?
[21:25:33] <ds2> emeb: that fruit company is worm... and it does have a big chunk missing
[21:25:39] <emeb> yep - specs on iPod Touch camera is .9MP
[21:25:50] <_av500_> emeb: 720p is .9mp
[21:25:53] <ds2> sakoman: nevermind... somehow I thought you were really local
[21:26:44] <koen> ars: try the angstrom kernel, that one is rock solid on my beagles and supports serial on the expansion header
[21:27:13] <ars> can i get it using narcissus
[21:30:38] <emeb> _av500_: yes - looks like Archos 2Mpx > fruitco .9Mpx. \o/
[21:32:42] <koen> ars: yes
[21:34:18] <ars> koen: ok i will try that .. i thought narcissus will only give me angstrom filesystem ..can i only get uImage
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[21:38:45] <_av500_> emeb: in cheap tiny sensors MP is moot...
[21:39:22] <mru> fewer pixels may even be better
[21:39:48] <emeb> _av500_: ah - more area/pixel = better light sensitivity?
[21:40:00] <mru> less noise
[21:40:28] <mru> there's also no point going past the diffraction limit of the optics
[21:40:45] <_av500_> mru: yep
[21:41:13] <emeb> and those tiny apertures don't give you much in that way...
[21:43:02] <mru> that said, the iphone camera is widely regarded as one of the worst phone cameras in recent times
[21:43:31] <_av500_> mru: on the 1st iphone the cam was crap.
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[21:43:43] <_av500_> but the builtin viewer app was the best
[21:44:11] <mru> for viewing on that silly screen you don't need much of a camera
[21:44:15] <_av500_> being able to slide thru 1000 images with the flick offa finger was great
[21:44:24] <_av500_> no, the viewer of the pics you took
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[21:44:37] <mru> that's what I mean
[21:44:50] <mru> the screen is like half a pixel wide
[21:45:01] <_av500_> jaja
[21:45:21] <sakoman> ds2: It's a 4.5 hour drive there for me, so more than just a simple day trip
[21:45:59] <mru> you can make the day longer
[21:46:07] <_av500_> or get a real car
[21:46:18] <sakoman> mru: not my idea of fun :-)
[21:46:21] <mru> a day can be made arbitrarily long
[21:46:33] <mru> there are two ways
[21:46:34] <_av500_> #define HOURS_PER_DAY 54
[21:46:48] <mru> _av500_: that only works if normal days have 26 hours
[21:46:57] <mru> either you follow the sun around
[21:47:05] <mru> or you watch powerpoint presentations
[21:47:20] <mru> any conf is likely to have plenty of the latter
[21:47:54] <_av500_> mru: following the sun in a car ends quickly on the west coast
[21:48:00] <_av500_> so conf it is :)
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[21:48:29] <emeb> not if you have an amphibious car!
[21:49:02] <_av500_> a segway with a snorkel?
[21:49:11] <mru> the conf is on the west coast, right?
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[22:11:33] <ars> koen: How to get only kernel image using Narcissus image builder .. i could not figure that out
[22:13:06] <ben_kludged> koen: you da man ,,, to have the patience for newbees
[22:14:26] <ben_kludged> koen: but you put together a very good devel env,,, and i give you a big 'nod
[22:14:34] <jkridner> ars: if you are only looking for a kernel, just pull it from koen's demo: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard
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[22:15:54] <jkridner> ars: Narcissus would give you the same kernel and modules.
[22:16:17] <ben_kludged> koen: sorry,, i did'nt acknowledge your team,,, ya'll get a big respectful nod
[22:16:29] <jkridner> ars: koen recently updated the demo folder to have the 2.6.32-r88 kernel, which I believe is the latest.
[22:16:44] <ars> jkridner: oh ok .. thanks for the link
[22:17:13] <ars> jkridner: does 2.6.32 supports serial port on expansion header
[22:17:31] <jkridner> that seems to be what koen mentioned previously, yes.
[22:17:56] <jkridner> I haven't tried. I've got nothing on my expansion header right now.
[22:18:05] * jkridner wonders where he put his trainer board.
[22:18:30] <ars> ok np .. i will check that out
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