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  • [00:02:30] <hitlin37> can unaligned access slows the whole application,if it involves lot of AV data
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  • [00:37:46] <mru> they are however faster than aligned access and manual shifting
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  • [00:45:43] <hitlin37> http://www.alexonlinux.com/aligned-vs-unaligned-memory-access
  • [00:47:35] <hitlin37> i read this article but i 've not tested anything lik this myself.
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  • [00:49:24] <hitlin37> but it may b slow only when address is at cache boundary
  • [00:51:06] <djlewis> emeb: getting clean data off the lunchbox yet?
  • [00:53:06] <hitlin37> by the way, i was not able to do wid VSTM.S8 r2! {D0[0]D0[2]D0[4]D0[6]},what i did finally wid VST1 D0[0] [r2]! and .... so on
  • [00:53:25] <hitlin37> i was trying to store a single byte
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  • [00:54:55] <hitlin37> and VSTM is storing 2 bytes at a time,does VSTM has this limitation with not less than 16 bits of operation or did i implemented it wrongly
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  • [02:21:55] <major> there is really no INT line up through the expansion port?
  • [02:34:46] <Crofton> you should be able to use the gpios as interrupts
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  • [02:38:43] <ds2> there is the super super super NMI line on there
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  • [02:46:42] <major> not certain that will fit the bill for the I2C
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  • [03:13:07] <major> ahh, I can snag GPIO's 130 and 156 I think
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  • [03:58:04] <emeb> djlewis: haven't gotten any further on the lunchpud, but haven't been trying either...
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  • [04:06:09] <ds2> those things looks to be constipated
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  • [05:11:42] <_av500_> not enough sleep
  • [05:12:03] <tomba> av500: yep?
  • [05:16:00] <ds2> hey tomba
  • [05:16:38] <tomba> hi
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  • [05:18:08] <ds2> how goes the displays?
  • [05:19:14] <tomba> well, I'm 99% busy with nokia's display stuff, too little time for the non-nokia stuff =/
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  • [05:19:48] <tomba> I think DSS2 is not even working properly on very latest kernels, but I haven't had time to look at it
  • [05:19:48] <ds2> hints of the future? :D
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  • [05:37:12] <_av500_> tomba: i have some patches for you :)
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  • [05:37:40] <tomba> ok. they better be good! just send them =)
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  • [05:46:13] <ds2> tomba: who, if any, is accepting LCD panel patches?
  • [05:52:14] <tomba> ds2: I am, who else =). but I'm not too happy to accept new LCD drivers, until someone makes a generic driver which would work for all of these simple LCDs.
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  • [06:01:09] <ds2> tomba: what do you have in mind? The panel files are pretty bare bones right now as is
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  • [06:17:20] <tomba> ds2: an panel driver which could be used for all those normal panels. with configurations for each supported LCD.
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  • [06:30:05] <ds2> something that would take all the config from the platform data, for example?
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  • [06:39:04] <tomba> ds2: no, the panel file would contain a table, panel name as the key, and the panel configuration as the data. then you could just define the panel name in platform data, and it would use the proper configs
  • [06:45:08] <ds2> tomba: ah, that don't seem too hard to do
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  • [07:37:52] <tomba> ds2: well, there are some details that need to be thought through, but yes, it should be relatively simple
  • [07:38:26] <av500> tomba: tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git is the right one to base dss patches on?
  • [07:39:33] <tomba> no, either Linus' tree or my tree in gitorious
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  • [07:40:54] <av500> k
  • [07:41:01] <av500> right, its mainline, me stupid
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  • [09:36:31] <hitlin37> Is it possible to install angstrom on ARM versatile board cortex a9
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  • [09:51:21] <mru> I suppose so
  • [09:52:58] <av500> if you can root it
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  • [10:18:56] <hitlin37> they provide board with documentation to install debian linux.but it seems to b too slow,looks almost like BB/angstrom
  • [10:19:26] <hitlin37> even though it has four cores
  • [10:21:11] <raster> w2hat soc is that?
  • [10:22:02] <hitlin37> NEC fpga
  • [10:22:09] <raster> fpga?
  • [10:22:10] <raster> not arm?
  • [10:22:31] <raster> or its got an arm + fpga together on a single soc?
  • [10:23:02] <hitlin37> only arm sells it but main chip on daughter board is frm NEC
  • [10:23:51] <raster> hrmmm
  • [10:23:56] <raster> dont know it at all
  • [10:28:19] <hitlin37> http://www.arm.com/products/tools/versatile-express.php
  • [10:28:22] <hitlin37> this one
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  • [10:31:54] <jacekowski> ehhhh
  • [10:32:28] <av500> raster: its the arm eval platform
  • [10:32:31] <jacekowski> i2c on my bb seems to be not working
  • [10:32:37] <av500> usually they run very slow
  • [10:33:13] <jacekowski> i'm not seeing anything when i do i2c probe
  • [10:33:16] <hitlin37> may i ask why its slow?
  • [10:33:21] <av500> 400mhz
  • [10:33:37] <av500> because it uses a super high speed fpga to simulate the cpu
  • [10:33:44] <av500> or an asic
  • [10:33:53] <jacekowski> well, asic == cpu
  • [10:34:29] <av500> its what you do when prototyping a new CPU design
  • [10:34:35] <raster> av500: oooooooh
  • [10:34:35] <av500> pc sim, very slow
  • [10:34:38] <raster> that stuff
  • [10:34:41] <jacekowski> no
  • [10:34:41] <av500> fpga, slow
  • [10:34:41] <raster> gotcha!
  • [10:34:45] <jacekowski> asic == real chip
  • [10:35:00] <jacekowski> finished product in real silicon
  • [10:35:14] <jacekowski> that's why people invented fpga
  • [10:36:06] <hitlin37> 400:isn't it 600*4
  • [10:36:34] <jacekowski> no
  • [10:36:43] <av500> jacekowski: still is depends on the acic technology used
  • [10:37:12] <av500> for rapid prototyping you can go standard cell or gate array design
  • [10:37:29] <av500> and then you cannot get the same speed as if you do full custom aka cpu
  • [10:38:02] <jacekowski> it's still same silicon
  • [10:38:37] <av500> hitlin37: the pdf says 400mhz
  • [10:38:48] <hitlin37> ok
  • [10:41:19] <hitlin37> 1600 then
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  • [11:13:08] <mru> the NEC chip is real silicon
  • [11:13:24] <mru> the fgpa-like chip runs at ~150MHz top
  • [11:13:35] <mru> and has only 1.5 cores
  • [11:14:16] <mru> and I don't think they're selling those
  • [11:14:31] <mru> only a handful were ever made afaik
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  • [11:35:03] <_koen_> mru: 1.5 cores?
  • [11:35:39] <mru> one core with neon, one without
  • [11:36:03] <jacekowski> mru: fpga can run at quite high speeds
  • [11:36:04] <_koen_> ah
  • [11:36:27] <mru> jacekowski: the a9 we're talking about isn't an fpga and doesn't run faster than 150MHz
  • [11:36:51] <jacekowski> hmmm
  • [11:37:01] <jacekowski> iirc a9 was supposed to run at 600MHz+
  • [11:37:13] <mru> not the first test chip
  • [11:37:40] <mru> properly optimised silicon implementations run well over 1GHz
  • [11:51:14] <zumbi_> hi! is PM working fine on beagle?
  • [11:53:18] <zumbi_> I get Class driver suspend failed for cpu0 :-?
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  • [12:10:15] <jkridner> good morning all. jacekowski: _av500_ was right, they are not 3V tolerant. The AM3517 has 3.3V I/O.
  • [12:11:29] <djlewis> hmmm it left memphis
  • [12:15:40] <_koen_> hey jkridner
  • [12:16:40] <jkridner|work> _koen_: I'm starting out today doing my OE rebase and trying to use Narcissus scripts.
  • [12:16:58] <_koen_> nice
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  • [12:31:37] <djlewis> gm guys
  • [12:31:52] <jkridner|work> hi djlewis
  • [12:32:32] <djlewis> jkridner: hi, getting those XM images finished up?
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  • [12:33:06] <jkridner|work> "finished"? well, there is a downloadable demo that is rebuildable via a script.
  • [12:33:30] <jkridner|work> I'm trying to clean up the instructions to use it and align the patches with mainline still.
  • [12:33:43] <djlewis> cool :) those new XM's are slowly showing up here.
  • [12:33:54] <jkridner|work> I also need to add instructions to download other distros, like Ubuntu, Android (Rowboat), MeeGo, etc.
  • [12:34:34] <av500> dont forget chrome os
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  • [12:41:47] <rs_> When i try to use printk i get <1> whatever is printed why do i get the printk level?
  • [12:43:19] <mru> because that's how it works
  • [12:43:58] <rs_> how do i print without the level?
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  • [12:45:23] <av500> edit source?
  • [12:45:30] <rs_> is this related to the newline character? am i supposed to have it at the end of each printk.
  • [12:45:38] <rs_> av500: thats not advisable
  • [12:45:42] <av500> not?
  • [12:45:49] <av500> omg
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  • [13:11:10] <siji> hi all
  • [13:11:33] <siji> am trying to create the clone of my whole sd card(Angstrom_beagleboard kernel)
  • [13:11:43] <siji> by using dd
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  • [13:12:11] <siji> but while while trying to put it back , it's giving the message that no space left in the device
  • [13:12:20] <siji> Why it's happening like
  • [13:12:32] <siji> how to solve this issue ?
  • [13:13:21] <av500> put it back?
  • [13:13:51] <siji> i mean while trying to clone it in another sdcard
  • [13:14:02] <av500> and they have the exact same size?
  • [13:14:30] <av500> what does fdisk /dev/sdX say for both of them?
  • [13:14:37] <siji> yes
  • [13:14:44] <siji> both are same
  • [13:15:00] <jacekowski> where i can get zippy2 in the uk?
  • [13:15:08] <siji> somebody told me that need to sync while using dd
  • [13:15:25] <_koen_> jacekowski: digikey or tct
  • [13:15:26] <av500> after you finish
  • [13:16:01] <siji> how?
  • [13:16:14] <av500> how what?
  • [13:16:18] <siji> i mean wht's the syntax ?
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  • [13:16:42] <av500> dm8tbr: I hope you lol as much as i do atm
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  • [13:16:47] <av500> siji: man sync
  • [13:16:53] <dm8tbr> av500: lemme see
  • [13:16:55] <siji> ok
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  • [13:17:44] <jacekowski> koen: they are not uk based
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  • [13:17:49] <dm8tbr> av500: ah, about our vulture, yes, I don't knnow what kind of drugs he's taking
  • [13:17:49] <jacekowski> koen: it will take week or more to deliver
  • [13:17:55] <av500> jacekowski: but they have UK on their map
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  • [13:18:38] <av500> jacekowski: there are faster delivery methods
  • [13:18:49] <av500> sparkfun took 2 days
  • [13:19:18] <_koen_> digikey has offices all over the world
  • [13:19:52] <_koen_> av500: for germany you could try waterott
  • [13:21:07] <jacekowski> av500: where are you?
  • [13:21:09] <jacekowski> av500: UK?
  • [13:21:11] <av500> .de
  • [13:21:19] <av500> _koen_: 7-10 day? i got sf in 2
  • [13:21:40] <jacekowski> hmm, i can order from germany or usa
  • [13:21:43] <_koen_> waterott usually takes 2-3 days for me
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  • [13:22:14] <av500> yes, but they say that can get sf stuff in 7-10
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  • [13:23:23] <av500> and its not like i order beagles every week
  • [13:23:34] * _koen_ neither
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  • [13:32:43] <jacekowski> ordered
  • [13:32:44] <jacekowski> ??70
  • [13:32:58] <jacekowski> from digikey
  • [13:33:01] <jacekowski> via ups express
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  • [13:36:47] <sakoman> koen: have you ever set up an oestats server? I'm having trouble getting mine to work right :-(
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  • [13:37:53] <_koen_> sakoman: I set up the original one and _roger_ setup the internal TI one a few months back
  • [13:38:19] <_koen_> sakoman: it needs its own vhost *or* a shitload of reconfiguration
  • [13:39:13] <sakoman> _koen_: I followed the instructions on the oestats site, but it doesn't seem to quite work
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  • [13:39:31] <sakoman> so I suspect there must be something missing from their instructions :-(
  • [13:40:02] <sakoman> looks like this: http://build.sakoman.com/
  • [13:40:28] <_koen_> your media directory is missing
  • [13:40:44] <_koen_> that's set in the apache config
  • [13:41:07] <sakoman> that was my first thought, but it is indeed in the config
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  • [13:42:07] <sakoman> _koen_: for example: http://build.sakoman.com/media/css/dashboard.css
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  • [14:42:05] <jkridner|work1> I've updated the first 2 sections of http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext
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  • [14:45:41] <_koen_> jkridner|work1: why is it on googlecode and not in gitorious next to the code or on beagleboard.org?
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  • [14:46:14] <jkridner|work1> good question.... it is really just because we originally launched with Google Code.
  • [14:48:56] * _koen_ keeps asking that question and never getting an answer
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  • [15:09:31] <jkridner|work1> koen: I don't see a bug tracker on Gitorious.
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  • [15:18:41] <jkridner|work1> koen: I was going to transfer the wiki content to gitorious, but it doesn't seem that Gitorious manages the wiki as a git repository...
  • [15:18:50] <jkridner|work1> on code.google.com, I can use git-svn.
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  • [16:36:36] <djlewis_> emeb: it arrived 9:51 central
  • [16:36:39] <djlewis_> playing now
  • [16:37:07] <djlewis_> so did your bud already get his?
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  • [16:39:01] <emeb> djlewis_: congrats! How you liking it so far?
  • [16:39:25] <emeb> my pal in CO hasn't mentioned anything yet, so I'm guessing he hasn't gotten it yet.
  • [16:39:57] <av500> djlewis_: i just got this on my desk: http://www.signalhound.com/
  • [16:40:59] <emeb> av500: interesting.
  • [16:41:15] <av500> yeah
  • [16:41:18] <emeb> 240kHz instantaneous BW would be nice for some NB stuff
  • [16:41:40] <emeb> API exposure for coding yer own is good
  • [16:41:49] <av500> and 5mhz, no?
  • [16:42:37] <emeb> Yeah - I'm trying to square that 5MHz RBW with with the 240kHz...
  • [16:42:47] <emeb> not getting anywhere...
  • [16:42:57] <emeb> Looks like WinXX only tho...
  • [16:43:15] <av500> yeah
  • [16:43:25] <av500> buy a small netbook with it
  • [16:43:25] <emeb> djlewis_: what firmware rev on your unit?
  • [16:44:22] <emeb> av500: true. Can't hook it to GnuRadio w/o some work tho
  • [16:45:42] <emeb> that -140dBm noise level looks pretty nice
  • [16:46:04] <emeb> even ds2 might approve (he's looking for something that
  • [16:46:12] <emeb> 's good down to -180 or so)
  • [16:47:20] <djlewis_> emeb: the warmer I get to it the more I like it. customers are interrupting my playing ;)
  • [16:47:52] <djlewis_> av500: cool instrument you got there :)\
  • [16:48:06] <av500> not mine, loaner from a friend
  • [16:49:56] <djlewis_> emeb: 00.02.04 off screen, no hookup yet
  • [16:50:21] <djlewis_> av500: well, less costly that way
  • [16:50:45] <emeb> djlewis_: OK, so you'll have to downgrade the firmware to do the 100MHz hack
  • [16:51:33] <djlewis_> most likely. I read all about it before I purchased. I want to see more of others success before I go voiding the warranty.
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  • [16:52:17] <emeb> djlewis_: wise
  • [16:52:56] <emeb> av500: looking at the manual for the signalhound - they've got a separate 5MHz log-amp in the IF chain for that RBW setting
  • [16:53:03] <av500> k
  • [16:53:06] <emeb> all else goes through the digitizer
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  • [16:53:37] <emeb> looks fairly well designed & multifunctional.
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  • [16:57:38] <djlewis_> I been reading where people are scrambling there sets just a bit. So if that happens it is easy to detect tampering.
  • [16:57:55] <djlewis_> and if it needs warranty repair and wont run for you after an upgrade, ....
  • [16:58:18] <av500> djlewis_: what did u pay?
  • [16:58:21] <djlewis_> I'll sit on it until I am dying for 100Mhs
  • [16:58:29] <djlewis_> $399
  • [16:58:34] <av500> emeb: yes, nice part, my coworker will not let me open it though :(
  • [16:58:36] <av500> :)
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  • [17:01:12] <emeb> av500: some people - no sense of adventure
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  • [17:02:17] <av500> ill do it anyway of course
  • [17:02:55] <av500> damn, screw under stickers that scratch easily
  • [17:04:54] <djlewis_> emeb: your pal should get a vinyl bag with his, A Salig bag. that would be nice for toting.
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  • [17:07:03] <djlewis_> scope cal date on 05-jun-2010
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  • [17:09:35] <emeb> djlewis_: yep - the bag was what pushed him to Saelig.
  • [17:09:49] <emeb> av500: sometimes those stickers don'
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  • [17:10:04] <emeb> t scratch as easily as they're supposed to...
  • [17:10:49] <av500> well, its the faceplate
  • [17:10:54] <av500> or the backplate
  • [17:11:05] <av500> and its from a friend of a friend
  • [17:11:12] <av500> so nobody i directly know
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  • [17:11:25] <av500> ill just ask company to buy one :)
  • [17:11:32] <emeb> ah - better not get the man-in-the-middle in hot water
  • [17:12:10] <emeb> "It's needed to test WiFi - yeah, that's the ticket..."
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  • [17:12:27] <av500> emeb: exactly that is what it is for
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  • [17:30:44] <gnuyuva> hi #beagle, i have some issues with beagleboard
  • [17:31:15] <gnuyuva> i supplied power using usb cable, and attached rs232 to beagle-C4
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  • [17:31:58] <gnuyuva> its continuously displaying "Texas Instruments X-loader 1.4.2 ...."
  • [17:32:13] <gnuyuva> i tried pressing `RESET' button, but no luck :-(
  • [17:32:39] <gnuyuva> any pointers?
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  • [17:35:10] <jkridner> sounds like the fat file system is no longer clean for x-load to read u-boot.
  • [17:36:09] <djlewis_> or wrong u-boot
  • [17:36:12] <jkridner> x-load is pretty picky (ie. has some bugs) and requires that the FAT file system not have any deleted files or certain funny names that cause it to miss finding u-boot in the path.
  • [17:36:24] <jkridner> that's possible too....
  • [17:36:57] <jkridner> I'd say, rebuild your SD card or remove it to boot the u-boot that is in the flash on a C4.
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  • [17:37:23] <gnuyuva> well, i didn't put any SD card
  • [17:37:30] <gnuyuva> im just following instructions in C4 doc
  • [17:37:51] <jkridner> in the BBSRM?
  • [17:37:58] <gnuyuva> under `12.0 Board Verification' section
  • [17:37:59] * jkridner looks at what instructions are there.
  • [17:38:06] <gnuyuva> yep
  • [17:40:39] <jkridner> is this a new board?
  • [17:40:47] <jkridner> have you done any steps to flash it before?
  • [17:40:47] <gnuyuva> yep, C4 ver
  • [17:40:58] <gnuyuva> no, i didnt do any
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  • [17:41:27] <jkridner> no "Loading u-boot.bin from nand" output then?
  • [17:41:46] <gnuyuva> yes, no such message
  • [17:42:30] <gnuyuva> its continuously displaying that first message "Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.2 (Feb 19 2009 - 12:01:24)"
  • [17:42:43] <jkridner> how are you powering the board?
  • [17:42:57] <gnuyuva> using USB cable, connected to OTG port
  • [17:44:46] <jkridner> do you have a 5V supply? it seems to be coming up more frequently that some boards are consuming too much power for some USB ports.
  • [17:45:53] <gnuyuva> no, i dont have 5v supply
  • [17:46:09] <jkridner> I don't guess you have any other USB cables either?
  • [17:46:12] <gnuyuva> you mean my PC is rejecting to provide that much power to beagle?
  • [17:46:16] <jkridner> sometimes the cable can make the difference.
  • [17:46:31] <jkridner> more or less, yes.
  • [17:46:53] <gnuyuva> i have one more, i'll check with that!
  • [17:47:07] <gnuyuva> btw, should i insert SD card?
  • [17:47:16] <jkridner> no
  • [17:48:30] <gnuyuva> i'll try other USB ports on my PC
  • [17:49:54] <gnuyuva> well, no luck! is there a chance that my beagle got damaged?
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  • [17:50:45] <djlewis_> not likely
  • [17:51:16] <jkridner> yes, there is a chance, but I am much more suspicious that it is just taking too much current and it keeps triggering reset.
  • [17:51:40] <gnuyuva> oh, ok
  • [17:52:26] <gnuyuva> i'll try getting one 5V supply
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  • [17:57:36] <gnuyuva> @jkrinder have you seen any issues like this lately?
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  • [17:59:42] <jkridner> yes
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  • [18:01:36] <jkridner> gnuyuva: a USB Y-cable should also resolve the issue.
  • [18:02:06] <gnuyuva> ok, i have one, i'll try that!
  • [18:02:32] <gnuyuva> should i connect both the ports of Y cable?
  • [18:03:22] <koen> jkridner: doesn't the TSP limit the current coming from the otg port?
  • [18:03:32] <koen> ehm
  • [18:03:33] <koen> TPS
  • [18:05:24] <gnuyuva> well, it worked!
  • [18:06:02] <jkridner> how?
  • [18:06:46] <gnuyuva> i used that USB Y cable!
  • [18:07:13] <gnuyuva> but, i have other problems i suppose, there are error messages
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  • [18:11:37] <gnuyuva> hm, no problems, its showing the messages as provided in the manual
  • [18:11:50] <_av500_> jkridner: you are under attack, fruit company bb competitor is $99 only
  • [18:12:31] <gnuyuva> i was misled with the msg "ERROR: can't get kernel image!", and i came to know its ok!
  • [18:12:42] <jkridner|work1> hmm.
  • [18:13:05] <jkridner|work1> _av500_: isn't that a *closed* system?
  • [18:13:09] <gnuyuva> @jkrinder, thanks for that `Y' cable tip!
  • [18:13:09] <russ> that isn't an open device
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  • [18:14:39] <_av500_> :)
  • [18:17:24] <koen> russ: I have a dremel, I can open it for you
  • [18:18:04] <koen> jkridner|work1: I wonder why you need to keep reminding the canonical guys to keep an eye on the validation repo to get the patches they need
  • [18:18:44] <koen> _av500_: I guess Joe now has a better idea on what the osd3 should be
  • [18:18:49] <russ> koen, cool, I just have them fax me some schematics then
  • [18:18:50] <Spicerunner> Has anyone successfully used sysfs on the Angstrom ditribution to manage the GPIO brought out to the expansion header?
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  • [18:24:23] <GatorBoz> Anyone used the U-Boot Beagle configuration as a base for a port to a new board?
  • [18:25:26] <Spicerunner> Has anyone successfully done anything with the expansion board GPIOs?
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  • [18:29:16] <ds2> done lots of thingswith the GPIO's
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  • [18:35:28] <Spicerunner> I'm using an out of the box Angstrom distribution and have no problem manhandling the user led's (the distro had specific sysfs folders for them. However, when I try to manipulate the other GPIOs going out the header I can't get them to change state.
  • [18:35:54] <Spicerunner> I can export 168 for example...the sysfs folder structure is correctly created but nothing happens.
  • [18:36:19] <Spicerunner> I'm not married to sysfs...but I really need to read a discrete input and drive a few LEDs.
  • [18:36:51] <Spicerunner> ds2, did you use the angstrom distro?
  • [18:37:16] <ds2> Spicerunner: nope.
  • [18:40:01] <koen> Spicerunner: you can only export GPIOs that aren't used as anything else
  • [18:40:24] <koen> Spicerunner: I can control the GPIOs on my trainer expansion board with sysfs just fine
  • [18:41:23] <Spicerunner> I know. I broke the link of the USR led's to the mmc and I could control them with the beagleboard led sysfs folders...but no chance with the GPIO on the expansion board. No idea what the deal is.
  • [18:42:53] <DesktopMa> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/apple_tv?mco=MTM3NTM1Nzk
  • [18:43:01] <DesktopMa> is this gonna be the cheap "hack it" beagle board?
  • [18:43:10] <DesktopMa> seems like good value for the hardware
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  • [18:44:45] <sklnd> except for the part where getting something like a beagleboard gets you something that's open
  • [18:44:48] <sklnd> with hardware specs
  • [18:45:05] <sklnd> and supports dudes who make open hardware
  • [18:45:41] <DesktopMa> well if this os runs out of the box that's more than I could say with my experience with the beagle board
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  • [18:51:42] <russ> apple might be selling it at a loss
  • [18:51:53] <russ> in which case they definately would not want you hacking it
  • [18:52:09] <killring> heh... apple doesn't sell anything at a loss
  • [18:52:22] <russ> I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of trusted boot
  • [18:53:10] <_av500_> russ: at a loss, no
  • [18:53:21] <_av500_> its one soc, a wifi and bit of glue
  • [18:53:58] <_av500_> you can have wifi routers for less than $99
  • [18:55:00] <killring> also keep in mind that apple is operating at economies of scale that allows them to hit price points that smaller device companies can't even break even at
  • [18:55:45] <_av500_> true
  • [18:56:03] <_av500_> but $99 is doable
  • [18:56:28] <_av500_> its not at a loss
  • [18:56:43] <jacekowski> well, o2 was selling joggler for ??49
  • [18:56:55] <jacekowski> and that's full x86 based pc with memory and lcd and touchscreen
  • [18:57:06] <_av500_> oteher hd streamers sell for round $99 as well
  • [18:57:21] <_av500_> wd tv life
  • [18:57:27] <_av500_> or what it is called
  • [18:57:33] <jacekowski> just wondering what is inside of it
  • [18:57:36] <jacekowski> is it arm based something
  • [18:57:39] <_av500_> a4
  • [18:57:44] <jacekowski> how do you know?
  • [18:57:45] <_av500_> same is iphone 4
  • [18:58:01] <_av500_> it makes sense
  • [18:58:02] <DesktopMa> or read the spec page :P
  • [18:58:04] <jacekowski> slow piece of crap then
  • [18:58:15] <_av500_> jacekowski: yeah, nobody will buy it
  • [18:58:23] <jacekowski> but i'm surprised that they sell it so cheap
  • [18:58:28] <_av500_> it wont run gimp and openoffice
  • [18:58:33] <_av500_> hence utter crap
  • [18:58:38] <DesktopMa> eh isn't
  • [18:58:42] <DesktopMa> wops
  • [18:58:49] <jacekowski> apple ussualy sells their stuff for much more than competition sells similiar device
  • [18:59:05] <_av500_> jacekowski: the also tend to surprise people
  • [18:59:08] <_av500_> they
  • [18:59:23] <_av500_> cable in us will have that box
  • [18:59:27] <DesktopMa> they want people into the apple eco system
  • [18:59:33] <jacekowski> i suppose they hope to make most of profit on itunes
  • [18:59:38] <DesktopMa> so better to sell twice as many at 99 than at 199
  • [19:00:25] <_av500_> DesktopMa: this $99 boyx is just for them to get to your tv
  • [19:00:35] <DesktopMa> yep
  • [19:00:37] <_av500_> even before google tv gets there
  • [19:00:42] <_av500_> and it works with any tv
  • [19:00:47] <jacekowski> if joggler would have hdmi and could decode hd easily
  • [19:00:48] <DesktopMa> just waiting for it to get hacked so I can use it for other stuffs :P
  • [19:00:54] <_av500_> jacekowski: if
  • [19:01:04] <_av500_> DesktopMa: yeah
  • [19:01:09] <jacekowski> besides, it can't have a4
  • [19:01:12] <jacekowski> a4 is too slow for HD
  • [19:01:18] <_av500_> no
  • [19:01:19] <DesktopMa> not with a hardware decoder
  • [19:01:25] <_av500_> jacekowski: iphone4 does hd
  • [19:01:29] <jacekowski> it would need external decoder
  • [19:01:29] <DesktopMa> yeah
  • [19:01:34] <_av500_> stop spreading fud
  • [19:01:49] <jacekowski> av500: and iphone displays hd as well?
  • [19:01:57] <_av500_> who said display?
  • [19:02:15] <jacekowski> besides, 720p is barely a hd
  • [19:02:22] <DesktopMa> it's HD by definition
  • [19:02:32] <_av500_> jacekowski: i dont care
  • [19:02:36] <_av500_> appl does not care
  • [19:02:57] <jacekowski> they have applecare
  • [19:03:09] <DesktopMa> if I can get some stuff running on it it would make a cheap store display unit
  • [19:03:26] <jacekowski> stream
  • [19:03:59] <jkridner> with the right codecs, even the BeagleBoard can do really high-quality H.264 720p--just look at the Archos media players.
  • [19:04:34] <jacekowski> 720p
  • [19:04:45] <jkridner> are you really going to stream 1080p?
  • [19:04:45] <jacekowski> that box apparently does 1080pp
  • [19:04:47] <koen> jkridner: high-q HP?
  • [19:04:50] <jacekowski> 1080p*
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  • [19:05:06] <killring> and isn't the bb issue re: 1080 more bus bandwidth than processing power?
  • [19:05:09] <_av500_> koen: who cares, appl controls the whole chain
  • [19:05:10] <jkridner> ie. with good error recoverty, etc.
  • [19:05:21] <_av500_> they can encode in just the right format anbd bitrate
  • [19:05:22] <jkridner> good loop filtering, high-profile.
  • [19:05:30] <koen> _av500_: that has a question for jkridner about codecs :)
  • [19:05:30] <_av500_> for their box
  • [19:05:36] <_av500_> koen: iknow
  • [19:06:05] <koen> I wonder if apple has an iT dept instead of an IT dept
  • [19:06:18] <_av500_> koen: but it applies to you as well, customers do not care about all that tech foo
  • [19:06:21] <DesktopMa> the new apple tv only does main profile. not sure what other companies have been able to do on similar hardware
  • [19:06:26] <_av500_> they just want their files to play
  • [19:06:37] <_av500_> DesktopMa: similar things
  • [19:07:20] <DesktopMa> it's apple so I'm sure they're releasing a dual core 1080p capable one next year :P
  • [19:07:33] <_av500_> no, in 18 month
  • [19:07:39] <koen> _av500_: I know, I get requests for weird codecs all the time when a customer encounters new stuff
  • [19:07:41] <_av500_> thats their release cycle
  • [19:08:05] <_av500_> koen: speaking of which, hows the hunting?
  • [19:08:23] <DesktopMa> av500: ah right
  • [19:10:53] <koen> _av500_: still no news, maybe jkridner nows
  • [19:10:56] <koen> jkridner: vp8?
  • [19:11:15] <jkridner> on C6000?
  • [19:12:24] <jacekowski> anyways
  • [19:12:38] <jkridner> hunting?
  • [19:12:42] <jacekowski> i connected scope/logic probe/logic analyser to i2c pin on j3
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  • [19:13:02] <jacekowski> connected 4k7 or 4k3 pull up
  • [19:13:11] <jacekowski> on clock and data
  • [19:13:24] <jacekowski> started bb and got into u-boot prompt
  • [19:13:30] <jacekowski> and then typed i2c device 2
  • [19:13:33] <jacekowski> and i2c probe
  • [19:13:35] <jacekowski> and nothing happened
  • [19:13:46] <jkridner> koen: I'm not picking up the question from the dialog.
  • [19:14:00] <jacekowski> is that correct?
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  • [19:18:24] <koen> jkridner: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/?id=20
  • [19:18:38] <koen> jkridner: vp8 codecs for c6k or iva, yes
  • [19:19:06] <koen> mru: thanks again for adding direct quote support :)
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  • [19:20:23] <_av500_> jkridner: is there vp8 for the iva?
  • [19:20:34] <_av500_> on2 says ti knows
  • [19:21:11] <mru> which iva?
  • [19:21:14] <jkridner> I copied koen on a message asking the right person.
  • [19:21:21] <mru> ivahd can probably do a lot of vp8
  • [19:21:40] <mru> iva2 less likely
  • [19:22:25] <_av500_> mru: i know ;(
  • [19:22:29] <jkridner> IVA2 would likely be mostly C6000.
  • [19:23:39] <koen> jkridner: I asked ebby last month, he put it somewhere on his list
  • [19:23:56] <koen> then I distracted him with questions about MP and HP on dm37xx
  • [19:24:08] <_av500_> this list needs sorting
  • [19:24:27] * jkridner wonders if it would be possible to raise BeagleBoard.org funds to pay mru to develop an ARM+IVA open source version of VP8 and if anyone would actually use it.
  • [19:24:38] <mru> koen: ebby is a manager, why would he know?
  • [19:24:43] <koen> I heard google is giving us $3k
  • [19:24:49] <_av500_> wow
  • [19:24:59] <jkridner> just for GSoC...
  • [19:24:59] <mru> 3k to do what?
  • [19:25:00] <koen> 6x $500 for gsoc
  • [19:25:04] <mru> oh
  • [19:25:18] <jkridner> and we'd want to give the mentors some xM hardware for their efforts, IMO.
  • [19:25:26] <koen> mru: it was a "stuff on dm37xx" call
  • [19:25:48] <_av500_> koen: patch me in next time, i can answer your question
  • [19:25:49] <_av500_> s
  • [19:25:56] <_av500_> and shout a bit
  • [19:26:04] <_av500_> a tiny wee bit
  • [19:27:25] <koen> using PCM by typing really fast?
  • [19:28:09] <mru> so who gets to go to the gsoc mentor summit?
  • [19:29:59] <jkridner> jefro, jkridner, ssc, and ds2 were the first 4 to request.
  • [19:30:12] <jkridner> (that I know about)
  • [19:30:47] <mru> what, it's decided by who monitors his email most closely?
  • [19:31:00] <_av500_> i would go too :)
  • [19:31:27] <jkridner> I really don't care who goes....
  • [19:31:39] <jkridner> do we need to get better organized about it? is there that much interest?
  • [19:32:22] <Jefro> just answering email
  • [19:32:23] <ds2> there is a cost issue
  • [19:32:35] <koen> I propose we add a layer of management for that
  • [19:32:42] <ds2> jefro and I are local (or close to it)
  • [19:32:43] <koen> and have owners for sub actions
  • [19:32:55] <koen> and then some managers for the owners
  • [19:33:04] <koen> and some managers for the management
  • [19:33:07] <ds2> koen: volunteering to maintain a MS Project files and act as a PM? :D
  • [19:33:26] <Jefro> ds2 yep - I'm not exactly local (4 hrs away) but close
  • [19:33:32] <koen> and then micromanage the shit out of everything
  • [19:33:46] <koen> that is how it works for every company in india I have seen
  • [19:33:54] <ds2> Jefro: where are you?
  • [19:33:59] <jkridner> well.... I'd be OK with giving up my spot, but I thought that it was "generally preferred" that I attend (and it is a great chance to meet up with a bunch of project maintainers).
  • [19:34:17] <ds2> I can also drop out and just meet folks afterwards
  • [19:34:21] <Jefro> ds2 I live in Mendocino, about 200 miles north
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  • [19:34:44] <jkridner> I think we want to try to spend the $$$ to pull in someone from Europe (and I'd have TI pay for my travel).
  • [19:34:52] <Jefro> I will likely be in town Sunday evening no matter what (for a class starting Monday morning), so even if the waitlist doesn't reach me I'd be happy to meet up with folks then
  • [19:34:56] <jkridner> we were talking about trying to use it to bring in ssc.
  • [19:35:02] <ds2> Jefro: yikes... GG bridge traffic to contend
  • [19:35:21] <Jefro> ds2 yes - it was easier when I had an airplane. ;)
  • [19:35:33] <ds2> Jefro: and land in SFO? ;)
  • [19:35:34] <jkridner> consensus is met at the point that people stop bugging me about it.
  • [19:35:37] <Jefro> _av500_, where are you at?
  • [19:35:41] <mru> I wouldn't mind going, but I won't the terribly upset if I don't get to
  • [19:35:46] <Jefro> ds2 no, Palo Alto or RHV
  • [19:35:53] <Jefro> mru where are you located?
  • [19:35:57] <ds2> heh I see
  • [19:36:01] <mru> uk
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  • [19:36:31] <jkridner> do we know where Google will cap attendees?
  • [19:36:36] <Jefro> hmm... checking hipmunk.com for flight times & rough price estimates
  • [19:36:43] * ds2 watches elinux.org go up in smoke as wmat gets distracted ;)
  • [19:36:44] <Jefro> google caps attendance at the summit at 300 I believe
  • [19:36:50] * jkridner looks forward to hearing about wmat's experience.
  • [19:36:53] <mru> jkridner: there was an email on the mentors list a while ago
  • [19:36:58] <Jefro> but carol said there are many teams that only send 0 or 1 person
  • [19:37:11] <ds2> Jefro: all of us going up is better... the redwoods are better meeting place }:-)
  • [19:37:18] <jkridner> so, they will fill the wait-list up to the 300?
  • [19:37:30] <Jefro> yes - but not until 2 weeks before the event
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  • [19:37:49] * mru wouldn't mind a sponsored trip to CA w/o google visit...
  • [19:37:55] <jkridner> will people on the wait-list get travel funds?
  • [19:38:03] <Jefro> I could talk to Carol and let her know that we have a LOT of mentors interested in going
  • [19:38:06] <russ> are we talking about the embedded linux euro conference
  • [19:38:21] <Jefro> I believe they have $2000 for each group that we can spend as needed
  • [19:38:22] <koen> elc-e is the week after the mentor summit
  • [19:38:23] <ds2> Are we allow to swap people at the last minute?
  • [19:38:24] <mru> that's in cambridge, so I can easily attend that
  • [19:38:25] * russ 's friend just got a free android phone of his choosing for sending in a security fix to google
  • [19:38:29] * jkridner would have an easier time generating sponsored trips to TX.
  • [19:38:40] <wmat> ds2: heh, I hope not. I'm about to switch over the DNS to OSUOSL
  • [19:39:10] <Jefro> ds2 - I don't think they would have a problem with swapping people in if travel plans change
  • [19:39:11] <russ> I'd be awesome to make it out to the cambridge conference
  • [19:39:15] <wmat> well, in the next day or so anyway
  • [19:39:24] <wmat> everyone should go to ELCE
  • [19:39:42] <Jefro> I'd also love to go to elc-e, been meaning to do so for several years but have no travel funding for it - I go to too many conferences already :)
  • [19:40:03] <Jefro> and the US ELC is in SF, just around the corner
  • [19:40:04] <ds2> Jefro: if that is the case, if I get through the wait list, I don't mind being swapped out for someone else at the last minute
  • [19:40:10] <mru> hmm, would I pass as hobbyist at elce?
  • [19:40:24] <russ> when is ELC-SF?
  • [19:40:24] * wmat wants an ELCC (C == Canada ;)
  • [19:40:42] <Jefro> russ: ELC-SF is in april, co-located with the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit.
  • [19:40:42] <wmat> ELC-SF is typically in April
  • [19:40:48] <mru> otherwise I'll only go if someone sponsors me
  • [19:41:00] <russ> but does ELC-SF have wookie?
  • [19:41:07] <Jefro> ds2 that sounds good. my understanding is that nearly everyone on the waitlist gets in.
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  • [19:41:37] <koen> ELC in california is pretty nice
  • [19:41:44] <wmat> prpplague: are you good to go to ELC-E?
  • [19:41:46] <koen> need to go there again
  • [19:41:57] <russ> wmat, I think he is one of the speakers
  • [19:42:08] <Jefro> keep in mind when planning that the Google Mentor Summit is going to be all about how to make GSOC better, not about anything technical
  • [19:42:09] <wmat> yes, I thought I knew that, just making sure
  • [19:42:21] <russ> "Board Bringup: Methods and Utilities"
  • [19:42:26] <wmat> right!
  • [19:42:29] <wmat> russ: thx
  • [19:42:35] <wmat> can't wait for the video
  • [19:42:37] <russ> and the OMAP3/4 BoF
  • [19:43:10] <russ> I've been to the UK, my wife would not
  • [19:43:18] <Jefro> russ - any idea whether the sessions will be recorded?
  • [19:43:22] <russ> she'd kill me if I went there for a conference and didn't take her
  • [19:43:32] <mru> so take her
  • [19:43:38] <russ> Jefro, no idea, I just know what I read on embeddedlinuxconference.com
  • [19:43:43] <ds2> russ: tell her she shouldn't miss the humidity
  • [19:43:48] <russ> mru, one round trip from AZ is already enough money
  • [19:44:11] <russ> She's been to the rest of Europe, and so I've tried to tell her she isn't missing anything
  • [19:44:12] <mru> if you fly economy it's not too bad
  • [19:44:17] <wmat> Jefro: ELC-E is typically recorded more than ELC is
  • [19:44:18] <russ> $982
  • [19:44:24] <wmat> as the free-electrons guys are closer
  • [19:44:27] <Jefro> elc-e is usually recorded by Free Electrons, who is based in France
  • [19:44:28] <mru> russ: for two?
  • [19:44:32] <russ> 1
  • [19:44:41] <mru> sounds way too much
  • [19:44:45] <mru> what airline was that?
  • [19:44:49] <ds2> The plasma folks are recording things? :D
  • [19:44:49] <russ> BA
  • [19:45:02] <russ> the only flight from my airport that leaves north america
  • [19:45:32] <mru> which airport is that?
  • [19:45:35] <tasslehoff> I've compiled my own angstrom-based rootfs for the Beagle and run Qt in an X-less environment. I compile from clean OE git. Does that mean the SGX is not helping me out with my Qt-workload?
  • [19:45:39] <russ> Sky Harbor (PHX)
  • [19:45:42] <ds2> fly from Sky Harbor out to LAX
  • [19:45:46] <ds2> or SFO
  • [19:46:01] <_av500_> Jefro: germany
  • [19:46:09] <mru> many choices from lax or sfo
  • [19:46:30] <Jefro> _av500_ ok, thanks - looks like $800 min
  • [19:47:27] <_av500_> yeah
  • [19:48:05] <Jefro> russ I found a few PHX -> LON in the $850 range, not a big help
  • [19:48:09] <jkridner> tasselhoff: you can use SGX with Qt and the framebuffer, but it only accelerates functions that use 3D hardware. The SGX isn't a 2D accelerator.
  • [19:48:19] <russ> from SFO, the flights start at $756
  • [19:48:21] <jkridner> s/tasselhoff/tassleoff/
  • [19:48:29] <russ> so really, it isn't much difference since I'd have to get to SFO
  • [19:48:35] <ds2> russ: what about via ORD?
  • [19:48:45] <jkridner> tasslehoff: there are different Angstrom preferences to build in the SGX code.
  • [19:49:12] <_av500_> tasslehoff: ppl have found that sgx does not really help qt
  • [19:49:24] <_av500_> including the qt people
  • [19:49:36] <_av500_> raster: rant
  • [19:49:50] <_av500_> damn, hes not online
  • [19:50:31] <_av500_> otoh, it did make android more snappy in direct comparison
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  • [19:51:07] <russ> ORD prices are similar to PHX prices, and I don't see any non-stop
  • [19:51:23] <russ> I'd just have to suck it up if I choose to go
  • [19:51:31] <ds2> oh
  • [19:51:41] * mru likes living in range of LHR
  • [19:51:48] <mru> lots of flights to choose from
  • [19:51:51] <_av500_> koen: im getting the beast back from berlin, how bout elc-e
  • [19:51:57] <_av500_> mru: same for fra :)
  • [19:52:11] <mru> _av500_: lhr has more flights
  • [19:52:18] <_av500_> pah
  • [19:52:32] <ds2> isn't there a smaller airport near LHR?
  • [19:52:50] <mru> london city
  • [19:52:54] <mru> and gatwick
  • [19:52:58] <tasslehoff> jkridner: _av500_: thanks for the info. I'm a very 2-dimensional person atm, so maybe it's not so important :)
  • [19:53:27] <mru> there's also my local airport, but they only fly to europe
  • [19:53:43] <ds2> oh
  • [19:53:44] <jkridner> tasslehoff: there are some NEON-optimized routines available that *will* provide 2D performance improvements...
  • [19:53:57] <dm8tbr> _av500_: I think that heizer2 guy does some nice 3d accelerated Qt stuff on the A5IT. he promised to show it.
  • [19:54:10] <_av500_> make him
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  • [19:54:30] <Jefro> So it sounds like there are two potential BeagleBoard gatherings in late October, one in California and one in Cambridge. California has limited seating, but is at least partly sponsored by Google. ssc and jkridner are on the list to go, ds2 and I are on the waitlist but I can jump off if needed.
  • [19:54:31] <jkridner> I'm not sure if TI (even though I work at TI) is publishing those routines yet (they are closed source :( ), but they should be in the "DVSDK" soon.
  • [19:54:40] <Jefro> Several other folks have expressed interest - anyone who is *serious* about trying to get to Calif. on the Google waitlist, raise hands. If there are enough I will go to Carol to see if we can get at least one more guaranteed slot.
  • [19:55:02] <mru> I'll go if I'm given a slot
  • [19:55:05] <Jefro> Someone else will have to organize the Cambridge meet-up, but I will drink a Guinness in remembrance
  • [19:55:08] <_av500_> same for me
  • [19:55:44] <mru> I should try to get someone to pay for me at elce...
  • [19:56:10] <_av500_> mru: i thought you and me are down as beast wranglers?
  • [19:56:19] <_av500_> koen: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  • [19:57:04] <Jefro> ok, anyone else? ssc doesn't appear to be around today, he may have purchased tickets already. just trying to get an idea about costs.
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  • [20:00:31] <Jefro> I'm seeing prices in the $800 range for LON -> SFO, and I believe that is about what ssc was looking at. Probably similar from Germany.
  • [20:01:06] <jkridner> Jefro: well, you know I'm willing.
  • [20:01:37] <_av500_> jkridner: i think you as beaglemom have to go
  • [20:01:46] <jkridner> :)
  • [20:02:01] <Jefro> jkridner yup, and I agree that you should totally go (and that we should have a beaglemom t-shirt made for you).
  • [20:02:09] <_av500_> +1
  • [20:02:12] <jkridner> why do I have to play the mommy?
  • [20:02:19] <_av500_> coz gerlad is beagledad
  • [20:02:20] <jkridner> :)
  • [20:02:30] <_av500_> and he did all the hard work
  • [20:02:58] * mru would prefer to fly BA or Virgin
  • [20:03:19] <mru> they're both around ??450 last I checked
  • [20:03:24] <_av500_> i would fly cargo if needed
  • [20:03:39] <russ> I think there might be more legroom there
  • [20:03:44] <_av500_> unless tom hanks is in the same plane
  • [20:03:45] <russ> it'd probably cost more
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  • [20:07:20] <Crofton> I can go to CA, but it depends on when I need to be there for work ...
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  • [20:08:07] <mru> gsoc and elce in close temporal proximity will take a little planning...
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  • [20:09:12] <djlewis_> remote program on DSO works well though sluggishly
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  • [20:16:21] <Crofton> can we build Android with OE yet?
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  • [20:20:58] <_av500_> lol
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  • [20:22:40] <Jefro> So, the issue with GSOC Mentor Summit is that they ask us to designate 2 mentors to attend. When everyone has responded, then they go over the waitlist to fill up remaining slots. I have asked Google about guaranteeing us an extra slot if possible, and extending funding a bit. I'll report back when I know more.
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  • [20:28:18] <Jefro> hey, is anyone other than jkridner and gerald and myself going to the Open Hardware Summit in NY next month?
  • [20:28:39] <Jefro> just realized that would be another good opportunity for a meetup
  • [20:28:42] <jkridner> Jefro: you might find some folks on #buglabs
  • [20:29:00] <Jefro> yes, I think they are a sponsor
  • [20:29:00] <mru> more than one event in the US in the same month would be tight for me
  • [20:29:14] <jkridner> BeagleBoard.org is a sponsor now!
  • [20:29:21] <Jefro> mru you said it. is it just me or are there now too many conferences?
  • [20:29:28] <Jefro> jkridner that's fantastic! I didn't know that
  • [20:29:34] <jkridner> there are too many conferences.
  • [20:29:38] <mru> when is the OHS?
  • [20:30:00] <Jefro> http://openhardwaresummit.org is on Sept 23 in Queens, near La Guardia airport. 2 days before Maker Faire NY.
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  • [20:30:40] <mru> that means both of those are out of the question for me
  • [20:31:07] <Jefro> I'm going for OHS, but NY is too expensive to stay for MakerFaire on my own nickel
  • [20:31:34] <Jefro> I went to MF in the SF bay area this past spring - 35,000 people, it was a total zoo
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  • [20:36:12] <djlewis_> time for a outside svc call....
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  • [20:37:47] <jkridner> Jefro: could always double-up.
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  • [20:38:40] <Jefro> jkridner thought about that, but I have had too much travel this year already. plus, if I went to MF without my 13 year old he wouldn't speak to me until he was 15.
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  • [20:55:53] <koen> Crofton: I think mentor will sell you android-built-with-oe soonish
  • [20:56:10] <koen> Crofton: ask tom or chris and they won't answer ;)
  • [20:56:21] <Crofton> heh
  • [20:56:32] <Crofton> I would prefer not to deal with it
  • [20:56:50] <Crofton> I think the people that are asking about it don't understand Android
  • [20:56:57] <koen> I think TI fixed teh rowboard download so I guess I can't avoid testing it
  • [20:57:04] <Crofton> hahaha
  • [20:57:46] <koen> I got told to test it and the download link was broken
  • [20:58:06] <Jefro> I had rowboat running well on a C4 this summer, presented at OSCON - it was android 1.something but it worked great
  • [20:58:22] <Jefro> I highly doubt it was built with OE
  • [20:58:22] <Crofton> not Froyo? What's the point? :)
  • [20:58:35] <koen> Crofton: that's what I said
  • [20:58:53] <Crofton> I had froyo weeks before the Verizon crowd
  • [20:59:06] <koen> you 1337 m4n
  • [20:59:29] * Crofton has a Nexus One
  • [20:59:35] <koen> if I moved the yoghurt from fridge to freezer I'll have froyo as well
  • [20:59:48] <koen> and I can bake some gingerbread if needed
  • [20:59:56] <robtow> :-)
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  • [21:04:28] <sakoman> koen: the css issues with oestats was an incompatibility with latest django
  • [21:04:50] <sakoman> now it looks ok: http://build.sakoman.com/
  • [21:05:06] <sakoman> but still won't accept connections from build machines :-(
  • [21:05:24] <sakoman> seems that I still have some config/permissions issue
  • [21:08:45] <Jefro> jonmasters ping
  • [21:09:57] <robtow> Ha!
  • [21:10:31] <Crofton> ok
  • [21:10:47] <Crofton> I have reached a local maxima
  • [21:12:15] <mru> wrong use of plural
  • [21:12:39] <Jefro> maybe Crofton means a Nissan Maxima?
  • [21:12:49] <Crofton> heh
  • [21:12:51] <robtow> Opt Max?
  • [21:12:56] <Crofton> no, I am goig away for the holiday
  • [21:13:08] <Crofton> and should stop working now
  • [21:13:24] <_av500_> Crofton: stop working now!
  • [21:13:44] <Crofton> http://twitpic.com/2kbxth
  • [21:14:42] <mru> twin peaks
  • [21:14:46] <robtow> Holiday? That's not allowed.
  • [21:14:56] <mru> did david lynch build your spectrum analyser?
  • [21:15:22] <_av500_> didnt he biuld xbmc too
  • [21:15:33] <robtow> <---had a week long holiday last week; went ses kyaking & abalone diving :-)
  • [21:15:53] <robtow> err, "sea kyaking"
  • [21:15:54] <Crofton> awesome
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  • [21:16:12] <robtow> <--is now settling into the new gig.
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  • [21:16:53] <robtow> <--is still looking for any potential playmates at the new gig, BTW.
  • [21:17:03] <sakoman> robtow: has vikram showed up yet?
  • [21:17:22] <neeraj> sakoman: ping
  • [21:17:29] <sakoman> neeraj: pong
  • [21:17:45] <robtow> sakoman - yes; he's in the cubie next door :-) We are the only two here so far.
  • [21:17:54] <_av500_> robtow: define "here"
  • [21:18:00] <neeraj> sakoman: i am new at ubuntu on beagleboard can you give some pointers
  • [21:18:15] <_av500_> 0x3467A32C4
  • [21:18:16] <robtow> Texas Instruments in Sunnyvale. New Android group.
  • [21:18:24] <sakoman> neeraj: what kind of pointers?
  • [21:18:30] <_av500_> there is a "new android"?
  • [21:18:54] <robtow> _av500 - there are always new Android releases. LOL
  • [21:19:06] <_av500_> tell me about it
  • [21:19:12] <robtow> What is "new" is TI has a dedicated ten person Android group in Sunnyvale.
  • [21:19:28] <neeraj> sakoman: i am confused in environmental setup
  • [21:19:48] <Jefro> robtow - kayaking in Mendo? am I remembering that right?
  • [21:20:30] <robtow> jefro - yes; cottage on the headlands of the Navaro River for a week; two person sea kyak... and we returned to some fave places.
  • [21:20:32] <sakoman> neeraj: not sure what you mean by that, could you be more specific?
  • [21:20:51] <robtow> Also did some underwater photography and movies, and some ambient audio recording in sea caves.
  • [21:21:20] <Jefro> rowtow - fantastic, good weekend for it. underwater photog sounds fantastic, would love to see.
  • [21:21:38] <neeraj> sakoman: i downloaded the linux-image-2.6.35.2-l0_1.0lucid_armel.deb using rootstock
  • [21:21:45] <Jefro> there has been a blue whale back and forth across the navarro river inlet for the past week or so, according to some birders who go there a lot.
  • [21:22:10] <robtow> jefro - I guess we just missed that! Awesome
  • [21:22:25] <sakoman> neeraj: sorry, I don't use ubuntu on beagleboard, so I am afraid I can't help
  • [21:22:43] <neeraj> sakoman: k thankx
  • [21:23:43] <_av500_> robtow: have fun at new gig, if you need some insight from a consumer pov, feel free to ping me :)
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  • [21:25:29] <robtow> _av500 - always :-)
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  • [21:34:06] <koen> jkridner: as web junkie you'll like http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4949072535/
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  • [22:26:03] <major> this thing has enough mixer options to be nice and confusing
  • [22:39:57] <emeb> major: which thing? TWL4030?
  • [22:41:55] <major> I suppose
  • [22:41:59] <major> asoc on the BB
  • [22:42:19] <emeb> yep - TWL4030/TPSmumblemumble
  • [22:42:30] <emeb> pretty hairy datasheet...
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  • [22:42:52] <major> took me a while of playing to just be able to hear anything from the audio
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  • [22:43:10] <major> ended up cat'ing the kernel uImage into /dev/audio in the background while I tweaked alsactrl
  • [22:43:18] <emeb> use alsamixer & start twiddling the sliders.
  • [22:43:28] <major> alsamixer, my bad
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  • [22:44:09] <emeb> install sox/play/record & you can play real music instead of random binary junk
  • [22:44:38] <major> I know, I just wanted to get "something"
  • [22:44:46] <emeb> yep - good start
  • [22:45:20] <emeb> playing quiet audio reveals some power supply noise unfortunately
  • [22:45:23] <major> really I need to get something on here to tax video and audio at the same time
  • [22:45:53] <emeb> mplayer?
  • [22:45:58] <emeb> gstreamer?
  • [22:47:16] <major> might go for mplayer
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