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  • [00:00:39] <DanaG> And I'm going to try to get that damn TI stuff to compile.
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  • [00:16:44] <Drumpi> Hello, good evening
  • [00:17:35] <Drumpi> there are someone who works with BB DSP?
  • [00:19:25] <Drumpi> there is someone? lol
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  • [00:45:18] <DanaG> eh, I just gave up on DSP. The makefiles for the stuff were too confusing and broken.
  • [00:47:12] <Drumpi> hi, DanaG
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  • [00:47:45] <Drumpi> broken? i don't think so, i could compile and run one of the examples
  • [00:48:16] <Drumpi> but just one of them (sometimes the first, sometimes the second...)
  • [00:49:19] <Drumpi> i was triying it since 1 week
  • [00:56:53] <DanaG> I'm still trying to get even the dsp-link thing to compile...
  • [00:58:15] <Drumpi> i did it with OpenEmbedded
  • [00:58:27] <DanaG> Can you use OpenEmbedded on Ubuntu?
  • [00:58:35] <Drumpi> yes
  • [00:58:36] <DanaG> The target on the beagle is running Ubuntu.
  • [00:59:02] <Drumpi> and if you use it, you get a complete toolchain
  • [00:59:02] <DanaG> And I can't even find out how to build the freaking dsplink module without building a whole new kernel.
  • [00:59:20] <Drumpi> i did it
  • [00:59:52] <Drumpi> just for get the toolchains
  • [01:00:05] <DanaG> forget... one word, or just "to get"?
  • [01:00:10] <Drumpi> and then you can bitbake ti-dsplink or else
  • [01:00:31] <DanaG> Doesn't that require me to be running Angstrom on the beagle?
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  • [01:03:08] <Drumpi> i did it in my PC
  • [01:03:49] <Drumpi> i built the .ko m??dules and copy to my SD with angstrom
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  • [01:03:52] <djlewis> why bnot just install it guys?
  • [01:04:04] <djlewis> s/bnot/not
  • [01:06:30] <djlewis> seems lots o folk just like doing it the hard way ;)
  • [01:06:36] <Drumpi> i got it installed in my angstrom, DanaG want's to compile herself
  • [01:07:12] <Drumpi> i only want to compile DSPlink examples for my developers guide
  • [01:08:06] <djlewis> cool
  • [01:09:08] <djlewis> I use OE to build large things, smaller things locally on BB
  • [01:09:18] <Drumpi> but i cannot compile those examples
  • [01:09:44] <Drumpi> the GPP code works fine, but DSP give me a fault
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  • [01:10:28] <Drumpi> DSP-side configuration mismatch/failure
  • [01:11:21] <Drumpi> i found the same error in http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Troubleshooting_DSPLink_configuration_issues
  • [01:11:30] <djlewis> can't say I have done more with DSP than install it and run the samples.
  • [01:11:31] <Drumpi> but i can solve it
  • [01:12:07] <Drumpi> binary samples runs OK (i tried them with my GPP binaries)
  • [01:12:33] <Drumpi> by the way, are you djlewis from gp32x?
  • [01:13:09] <djlewis> no. I only frequent this group
  • [01:15:06] <Drumpi> i think you worked on Pandora, i must mistaken you ^^U
  • [01:15:38] <djlewis> I cant imagine another with my name, nut I bet I have had it the longest ;)
  • [01:15:47] <djlewis> s/nut/but
  • [01:16:55] <Drumpi> hehehe
  • [01:17:21] <Drumpi> so, you didn't compiled for DSP before?
  • [01:18:11] <djlewis> sorry, no, I do more with gst , ffmpeg, mplayer and such for my needs
  • [01:18:28] <djlewis> I do need to get my head around DSP though
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  • [01:21:26] <Drumpi> and they use DSP lol
  • [01:21:44] <Drumpi> everybody can use DSP but me
  • [01:21:51] <djlewis> yea, but I am talking more directly address DSP
  • [01:21:54] <Drumpi> and there's no help on the net
  • [01:22:10] <djlewis> just learn it like you did C
  • [01:22:19] <djlewis> add it to your knowledge base
  • [01:22:33] <djlewis> aas I tell my self the same :P
  • [01:23:36] <djlewis> there was talk this ummmer of some folk adapting OpenCV with DSP, i wonder how that turned out?
  • [01:23:42] <Drumpi> but when i learn C, i didn't learned toolchains, crosscompiling, makefiles, etc
  • [01:24:12] <djlewis> dont need makefiles for simple programs
  • [01:26:45] <Drumpi> but you need to learn how to configure them to work with DSP, because you need to change two config files, adding paths to CGTools, XDCtools and BIOS source... and options for compilers, linkers...
  • [01:40:02] <Drumpi> ok, i'm going to sleep
  • [01:40:14] <djlewis> later
  • [01:40:35] <Drumpi> see you, good night!!!
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  • [02:00:47] <killring> grr... still messing around with video settings on my xm. why, oh why did I have to buy such a finicky tv?
  • [02:01:12] <djlewis> throw out the tv ;)
  • [02:01:24] <killring> not gonna do it :-)
  • [02:02:08] <killring> I imagine that part of the issue is that the docs/wiki don't have any info yet on the xm so I'm poking around pretty much in the dark
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  • [02:03:36] <killring> the good news is that I've verified most of the functionality related to the ports on the board and things are working, now I just need to get to the point where I know how to tweak it on the s/w side to get it set up how I want
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  • [02:04:23] <killring> (I should say most of the ports *I* care about :-)
  • [02:04:35] <killring> there are a lot of freakin' ports on this thing
  • [02:09:16] <jcalkins> is the xm your first beagleboard?
  • [02:09:24] <killring> yep
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  • [02:10:12] <jcalkins> about to buy my first one. i need ethernet, so i guess xm is the way to fly
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  • [02:10:57] <killring> similar situation here. I debated for a long time re: the original bb but the additional features of the xm convinced me to wait
  • [02:12:19] <killring> getting into the basics of using the bb-xm were much smoother than I expected based on problems people were reporting with the bb. it's been largely plug and play for me
  • [02:12:44] <killring> the monitor issue isn't a new one... every computer I've ever plugged into this thing has been a pain to get properly configured
  • [02:13:07] <jcalkins> vga or hdmi?
  • [02:13:25] <killring> dvi... it's a 6 year old hdtv
  • [02:13:38] <killring> it doesn't really like computer display frequencies
  • [02:14:25] <killring> so I basically need to figure out the right combination of settings that both work and address overscan
  • [02:17:28] <jcalkins> which distro are you running?
  • [02:17:41] <killring> just running the validation image right now
  • [02:18:18] <jcalkins> so it really is pretty much plug & play ... that's cool
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  • [02:18:38] <killring> I'll be switching to the full angstrom image shortly but I'm waiting for another order to ship before I can do that (my ancient sd card reader doesn't like hc cards... see a pattern here re: me and ancient hardware? :-)
  • [02:18:45] <killring> yep
  • [02:19:22] <jcalkins> ya can't be throwing that old stuff away
  • [02:19:52] <killring> while the dvi out isn't entirely usable, I've been able to ssh in to the board via ethernet since powering it up and usb is recognizing everything I'm plugging in etc.
  • [02:20:35] <killring> what I was hoping to do in the short term was to get everything going via svideo but the docs I've found so far don't work on the xm
  • [02:21:52] <jcalkins> does your project idea work with svideo?
  • [02:23:01] <killring> my original plan was to run it headless as a home/home automation server. but I've been so impressed by the performance I've seen so far that I'm thinking about getting a 2nd xm for use as a htpc which is why I want to get the video sorted out
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  • [02:23:51] <killring> I don't really care about 1080 i/p and looks like 720p is quite doable on the device
  • [02:28:27] <jcalkins> my first project is headless, just logging and altering some ethernet traffic. kind of a waste when the device will run @ 1080. need to come-up with a video project
  • [02:29:16] <killring> these are some neat little boards... I'm sure you'll enjoy it
  • [02:31:19] <killring> one cool thing is that even with my somewhat messed up video setup, I was able to try a bunch of different video formats (out of the 5 I tried, only one had a problem using the validation image)
  • [02:34:00] <jcalkins> is your tv compensating for different formats?
  • [02:36:00] <killring> not at all. basically I currently have picture but overscan makes it all but unusable as an interactive display
  • [02:36:37] <killring> so via ssh I'm able to play back the various video files on the main display
  • [02:37:08] <killring> but I haven't figured out yet how to either play them back via svideo and/or switch the main display output to svideo
  • [02:37:51] <jcalkins> do you think it's easy to get X up and running?
  • [02:38:48] <killring> the validation image (what ships with the board) doesn't include it but I believe the the full angstrom image includes it
  • [02:40:06] <killring> once I've figured out the settings for the fb and get my 'other' order (micro sd card and reader), that's the next order of business for me
  • [02:40:54] <djlewis> yes the Angstrom Demo image includes a GUI
  • [02:41:34] <djlewis> ther eare other options as well. Narcissus builds can come with gnome
  • [02:41:58] <djlewis> there is sakoman's gnome
  • [02:42:12] <djlewis> Ubuntu is being used by several
  • [02:42:29] <djlewis> I dont know about Ubuntu and XM yet
  • [02:42:44] <killring> is narcissus another linux distro? (I've heard it mentioned, just not quite sure what it is)
  • [02:42:47] <djlewis> should work fine
  • [02:42:50] <jcalkins> i live in KDE at work, but probably need to drop that bad habit
  • [02:43:11] <djlewis> narcissus is a pick it and eat it farm of Angstrom for BB
  • [02:43:15] <jcalkins> dunno about narcissus
  • [02:43:39] <killring> kde isn't bad but the world seems to have largely moved to gnome
  • [02:43:57] <djlewis> koen: put together a packaging system called narcissus that lets you pick and choose hat you want in your image.
  • [02:44:13] <killring> ah
  • [02:44:15] <djlewis> haven't seen kde for BB
  • [02:44:31] <djlewis> s/hat/what
  • [02:45:17] <djlewis> after making your selections in narcissus it then builds your image
  • [02:45:30] <djlewis> stick it on your SD and go
  • [02:45:35] <jcalkins> i really need the minimal this first go round, so narcissus may be the bomb
  • [02:46:05] <djlewis> it does have a very minimalist option
  • [02:46:53] * djlewis is trying to talk himself into a digital storage scope purchase :(
  • [02:47:41] <djlewis> I emailed a supplier tonight in NJ and they responded. Didnt expect that
  • [02:47:44] * killring is too busy going broke buying arm systems and supporting devices
  • [02:47:46] <jcalkins> i vote "yes" for the new scope
  • [02:47:55] <djlewis> hehee
  • [02:48:09] <djlewis> I need to have a electronics garage sale.
  • [02:48:43] <djlewis> how many scsi flatbed scanners can you use ;)
  • [02:49:27] <djlewis> great deal on a Dell poweredge dual proc server
  • [02:49:34] <djlewis> you get the picture ...
  • [02:49:45] <djlewis> tons
  • [02:50:06] <jcalkins> i think craigslist could come to the rescue
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  • [04:56:50] <htns> when the omap goes into suspend (mem), does the state of gpio get preserved? so if i set a gpio to off (sinking current) so that an led is lit, will the led stay on when the omap is in suspend?
  • [05:07:00] <ds2> I think so
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  • [05:48:08] <reklipz> Hey all. I'm trying to install Squeeze on my BeagleBoard. Is anyone here familiar with this process?
  • [05:48:13] <mIKEjONES> what do I have to include in an image to be able to build kernel modules on the beagle?
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  • [05:52:41] <mIKEjONES> halt
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  • [06:17:29] <_av500_> go
  • [06:18:55] <reklipz> whew, thanks av500
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  • [06:19:30] <_av500_> ?
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  • [06:27:09] <ds2> System halted.
  • [06:34:55] <_av500_> sys 64738
  • [06:35:30] <reklipz> anyone know how I go about making/getting a rootfs for the beagle?
  • [06:35:40] <reklipz> I need one for debian squeeze
  • [06:38:33] <ds2> you start by planting a seed and...
  • [06:39:36] <reklipz> I hope I don't need sunlight, it's dark out.
  • [06:39:54] <ds2> nope, just lots of manure ;)
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  • [06:42:47] <reklipz> but seriously
  • [06:43:02] <reklipz> I'm either misunderstanding, or this really is a chicken and egg type situation
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  • [06:44:31] <ds2> it is a straightfoward procedure
  • [06:45:30] <reklipz> can you enlighten me?
  • [06:49:51] <reklipz> debootstrap
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  • [07:05:17] <ds2> I don't bother with distros
  • [07:06:58] <reklipz> I see
  • [07:07:26] <ds2> easier to just assemble it from source and don't bother with all the other crap
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  • [07:18:52] <_av500_> reklipz: what about googling beagleboard and debian
  • [07:22:39] <kblin> reklipz: you can add site:elinux.org to narrow it down further
  • [07:22:53] <reklipz> I've been reading the articles on the wiki
  • [07:23:10] <reklipz> using rcn-ee's script
  • [07:23:21] <reklipz> it just doesn't work, it fails to create the rootfs and partition
  • [07:23:31] <reklipz> I managed a work around that I think is working, we shall see
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  • [07:26:28] <kblin> I think qemu-arm on lucid is broken, it keeps segfaulting for me as well
  • [07:26:53] <kblin> might be the same issue on whatever debian release ubuntu took it from
  • [07:28:15] <reklipz> heh, and now issues with usbnet and dhcp
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  • [08:00:46] <reklipz> with minicom, how can I send the alt key to the beagle board?
  • [08:00:53] <reklipz> or is this possible?
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  • [08:06:50] <kblin> reklipz: could be your WM captures the alt key
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  • [08:07:21] <reklipz> it passes the alt key to minicom no problem, minicom captures this as it's "macro" key or soemthing
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  • [08:07:30] <reklipz> but even with that off, i dont think it would work still
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  • [15:10:39] <buZz> oops, nmind
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  • [16:14:07] <Drumpi> hi everyone
  • [16:14:28] <emeb> hey - wassup?
  • [16:14:50] <Drumpi> finally, i can compile and run DSP examples!!!
  • [16:15:10] <emeb> cool - that's something I want to try too.
  • [16:15:13] <Drumpi> damnit lpm utils!!!
  • [16:15:25] <emeb> any suggestions for starting out?
  • [16:15:43] <Drumpi> yes: use openembedded
  • [16:15:49] <emeb> check
  • [16:16:09] <Drumpi> use some tutorials, like ossie
  • [16:16:26] <emeb> ossie?
  • [16:16:44] * JoeSchmo is now known as JoeSchmo2
  • [16:17:01] <emeb> ah - http://ossie.wireless.vt.edu/trac/wiki/BeagleBoard
  • [16:17:13] <Drumpi> http://ossie.wireless.vt.edu/trac/wiki/BeagleBoard_CodecEngine
  • [16:17:40] <Drumpi> don't need to install nothing if you use openembedded
  • [16:18:04] <Drumpi> but bios, bios are restricted from TI
  • [16:18:16] <emeb> hmmm - I thought that you had to at least install the c64 compiler by hand?
  • [16:18:25] <Drumpi> so you must download from their web
  • [16:19:12] <Drumpi> XDCtools and CGTools are installed on openembedded using bitbake
  • [16:19:47] <emeb> kewl - thanks for suggestions. I'll bookmark that for when I can get some time to play with it...
  • [16:19:53] <Drumpi> bitbake ti-codec-engine
  • [16:20:03] <Drumpi> and very very important
  • [16:20:20] <Drumpi> install lpm utils on angstrom
  • [16:20:46] <emeb> why?
  • [16:20:59] <Drumpi> they must be on /usr/share/ti/ti-lpm-utils
  • [16:21:57] <Drumpi> because you must run lpmON.xv5T and lpmOFF.xv5t BEFORE ANY DSP PROGRAM
  • [16:22:22] <emeb> interesting
  • [16:22:35] <emeb> seems non-intuitive
  • [16:22:41] <Drumpi> this is why i had errors last week
  • [16:23:02] * JoeSchmo2 is now known as JoeSchmo
  • [16:23:25] <Drumpi> it comes in one DSP installation guide from TI, but not in DSP-examples package
  • [16:23:50] <emeb> aha - sekrit handshake for insiders only
  • [16:24:18] <Drumpi> looks like there are some troubles with buffer cache or something who needs to be manually restored
  • [16:24:28] <djlewis> gm guys
  • [16:24:35] <emeb> djlewis: gm
  • [16:24:42] <djlewis> good progress since yesterday Drumpi
  • [16:24:44] <Drumpi> gm
  • [16:25:01] <Drumpi> yesterday? it was a week work!!!
  • [16:25:02] <Drumpi> lol
  • [16:25:23] <emeb> Drumpi is overclocked
  • [16:25:34] <Drumpi> now i can write my guide!!
  • [16:25:40] <emeb> please do!
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  • [16:25:51] <Drumpi> and can obtain my teleco title
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  • [16:26:11] <Drumpi> i'm going to become engineer!!, lol
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  • [16:26:42] <emeb> "six months ago I couldn't even spell ingineer - now I are one"
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  • [16:27:02] <Drumpi> maybe you can have some troubles with this guide
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  • [16:27:18] <emeb> I can have troubles with _anything_ :)
  • [16:27:40] <Drumpi> it will going to be write in spanish ^^U
  • [16:28:01] <emeb> ah - my spanish is pretty rusty.
  • [16:28:13] <Drumpi> the first spanish guide for BB
  • [16:28:27] <emeb> I only get to practice it on billboards and television around here...
  • [16:29:09] <Drumpi> i had same troubles with english
  • [16:29:17] <emeb> we all do... :)
  • [16:29:40] <Drumpi> but i learned more english in 4 months than last 10 years
  • [16:29:59] <emeb> what's the secret?
  • [16:30:14] <Drumpi> read, read, read... and write
  • [16:30:38] <Drumpi> and have a dictionary near... or google translate :P
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  • [16:33:43] <emeb> djlewis: how's the quest for test equipment going?
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  • [16:37:51] <Drumpi> Just a question, maybe so noob
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  • [16:38:19] <Drumpi> code generation tools are compiler and toolchains for beagle DSP
  • [16:38:55] <Drumpi> so what are XDCtools? C to assembler tools?
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  • [16:40:04] <emeb> where do you see XDCtools referenced?
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  • [16:40:39] <emeb> http://rtsc.eclipse.org/docs-tip/Overview_of_RTSC
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  • [16:44:10] <Drumpi> As i read, it's for what i said and package codecs and optimize for it, didn't it?
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  • [16:51:42] <_av500_> Drumpi: xdc is hell
  • [16:51:45] <_av500_> run from it
  • [16:51:54] <_av500_> xdc is the build environment from ti
  • [16:52:03] <_av500_> makefiles in javascritp
  • [16:52:16] <koen> if we add some css we can market it as html5
  • [16:53:20] <Drumpi> ah, ok, it sounds clear to me
  • [16:53:40] <Drumpi> but makefiles are good, don't they? lol
  • [16:54:12] <koen> in a sense that 'make' can be considered a standard tool, yes
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  • [16:55:13] <Drumpi> ok, thank you
  • [16:55:50] <Drumpi> programming it's too hard for me
  • [16:56:19] <Drumpi> i just want to write code, press a button, and debug
  • [16:56:46] <Drumpi> maybe i can compile usind two simple commands, but no more
  • [16:56:52] <Drumpi> :D:D:D
  • [16:58:40] <Drumpi> ok, i'm going to write all now
  • [16:58:51] <Drumpi> before i forgot it
  • [16:59:12] <Drumpi> a lot of thanks to you, bye!!
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  • [17:17:19] <PuffTheMagic> any of you have kexec working on armv7?
  • [17:18:13] * dm8tbr has to try again with the nokia n900 patches
  • [17:18:34] <dm8tbr> esp. it seems important to execute kexec as early as possible
  • [17:19:20] <PuffTheMagic> n900 patches?
  • [17:19:29] <PuffTheMagic> i've tried just about every patch i can find
  • [17:19:39] <PuffTheMagic> and none seem to help me
  • [17:19:44] <dm8tbr> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/kexec
  • [17:21:15] <PuffTheMagic> ahh yes those
  • [17:21:45] <PuffTheMagic> well i guess if there are still kexec/arm probs .33 i will never get it working on .26
  • [17:27:15] <djlewis> emeb: yep, almost talked myself into it.
  • [17:27:35] <djlewis> emeb: company came so I got distracted for a bit.
  • [17:27:36] <buZz> i think i have kexec running in .26
  • [17:27:44] <buZz> with angstrom on a zaurus
  • [17:28:02] <koen> buZz: zaurus isn't cortex-a8
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  • [17:28:14] <buZz> clearly :)
  • [17:28:21] <buZz> koen: wouldn't that be a blast though :D
  • [17:30:26] <koen> the netwalker is an a8
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  • [17:30:35] <bkero> I just ordered one of those :D
  • [17:30:48] <bkero> koen: You have experience with one?
  • [17:30:53] <koen> no
  • [17:31:00] <koen> I only have a c700
  • [17:31:04] <koen> somewhere in a box
  • [17:31:18] <buZz> netwalker is too big though
  • [17:31:21] <buZz> compared to a zaurus
  • [17:31:46] <koen> buZz: I'm going to try putting a beagle + pico + battery + webcam into http://wiki.makerbot.com/cyclops
  • [17:32:16] <koen> something like a netwalker or pandora would be nice to view the resulting 3d point cloud
  • [17:34:23] <prpplague> koen: greetings
  • [17:34:49] <_av500_> ho
  • [17:36:29] <koen> prpplague: hi!
  • [17:36:57] <prpplague> koen / _av500_ what's cookin?
  • [17:37:23] <prpplague> koen: i'll be coming into heathrow on the morning of the 24th
  • [17:39:39] * koen still needs to plan his trip
  • [17:40:49] <_av500_> koen: btw, that happened to our elce sponsoring?
  • [17:41:34] <prpplague> koen: i gotta find sme plae tos tay
  • [17:41:56] <prpplague> koen: doh, touch typing doesn't work when you miss your home keys
  • [17:42:09] <koen> _av500_: no news, I'll ask next week
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  • [17:42:30] <prpplague> koen: going to try taking the train to cambridge
  • [17:42:35] <prpplague> mpoirier: greetings
  • [17:42:47] * prpplague needs to get with mpoirier about DVI support on the panda
  • [17:42:57] <mpoirier> greetings
  • [17:43:11] <mpoirier> prpplague: I don't have a panda...
  • [17:43:33] <prpplague> mpoirier: like i said, i need to get with you on that
  • [17:43:43] <mpoirier> ok
  • [17:44:56] <mpoirier> prpplague: how do you want ot proceed ?
  • [17:45:47] <prpplague> mpoirier: i can get with you on monday to discuss it, robclark and i want to get you on the early adopter program
  • [17:46:25] <mpoirier> prpplague: sure, Monday will do.
  • [17:46:56] <mpoirier> prpplague: do you have a time/place in mind ?
  • [17:47:50] <prpplague> mpoirier: not particularly at the moment, you saw you were online, best guess would be on irc tomorrow
  • [17:48:29] <mpoirier> indeed, I'll get on tomorrow all day.
  • [17:49:00] <prpplague> mpoirier: dandy
  • [17:49:30] <prpplague> koen: http://www.acornguesthouse.co.uk/index.html
  • [17:51:37] <koen> looks like a typical B&B
  • [17:53:40] <prpplague> koen: where had you planned to stay?
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  • [17:54:24] <prpplague> koen: ask me about a hotel anywhere in the bahamas or west indies and i can tell you, but in the UK i have no clue
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  • [17:56:06] * koen neither
  • [17:56:19] <koen> my plan was to do that next week
  • [17:56:35] <koen> and see if I can get some more TI UK people to attend
  • [17:56:56] <koen> there, beaglejuice is powering beagle + pico now
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  • [18:00:27] <prpplague> koen: the wife just found the 100 beer bottle caps i put in her jewlery box
  • [18:02:00] <koen> did she make a necklace out of it?
  • [18:02:31] <prpplague> koen: hehe, no, i suspect i will find them again soon in something like my pillow
  • [18:03:02] * prpplague goes to grocery store to get meat to grill
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  • [18:45:36] <Crofton_|work> is the program for elc up?
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  • [19:44:15] <koen> Crofton_|work: not sure, Michael was still confirming speakers last week
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  • [20:07:36] <jd823592> Hello, i know i must be irritating already but what kind of connector is on BB-xm for pover supply?
  • [20:07:58] <jd823592> is it RJ45
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  • [20:09:14] <koen> same as the other beagleboards
  • [20:09:17] <koen> it's all in the manual
  • [20:09:36] <Crofton_|work> which non of us have read :)
  • [20:09:46] <Crofton_|work> we just know the answer is in there
  • [20:09:49] <jd823592> i am trying to understand it but i dont know the terms in english and some of the abbreviations
  • [20:09:50] <djlewis> wellit is huge
  • [20:09:58] <killring> 2.1mm I.D x 5.5mm O.D. x 9.5mm center positive
  • [20:10:33] <jd823592> killring: those it have any name?
  • [20:10:53] <klaas__> isn't RJ45 just an ethernet plug?
  • [20:11:03] <killring> that pretty much is the name I think
  • [20:11:15] <killring> yeah, it's not rj45
  • [20:11:45] <jd823592> you are right RJ45 is internet plug indeed sorry
  • [20:11:48] <killring> you can also power it using the mini usb connector if you can supply enough power (1A min which is 2x what a standard powered usb port provides)
  • [20:12:34] <koen> if you use miniusb the TPS will limit the power intake
  • [20:12:42] <koen> to less than 400mA iirc
  • [20:12:47] <koen> (it's in the manual as well)
  • [20:12:58] <killring> the general name for the power plug is a barrel connector but that's not specific enough as there are many sizes
  • [20:13:04] <_av500_> just use the power supply of any random TI EVM you have around
  • [20:13:19] <jd823592> killring: in the manual there is 12V max from DC adapter.. i was told i need 5V .. i have no idea how many Watts or what.. i really would love to see an example of the adapter so that i can create an idea about it
  • [20:13:20] <djlewis> yeah like we all have those
  • [20:13:22] * _av500_ has tons of these
  • [20:13:23] <killring> many usb power adapters work also
  • [20:13:48] <killring> I just grabbed one from a hub I had sitting around that had the same physical dimensions
  • [20:13:57] <djlewis> me too
  • [20:14:10] <koen> the *old* linksys wifi routers are compatible as well
  • [20:14:15] * _av500_ made a $1000 EVM miss its power supply for a BB :)
  • [20:14:16] <killring> jd823592: you definitely need 5v
  • [20:14:20] <koen> where "old" is "before they switched to +12V"
  • [20:14:27] <djlewis> poor little evm
  • [20:14:56] <jd823592> i have no idea what TI EVM is
  • [20:15:10] <_av500_> jd823592: ignore it
  • [20:15:22] <jd823592> :D? ok
  • [20:15:22] <_av500_> didnt i send you a digikey link to a suitable power supply?
  • [20:15:23] <killring> you need at least 1a up to about 3.5a if you have a lot of devices (esp. powered usb and daugterboards) to plug in
  • [20:16:22] * koen is starting to grow fond of the beaglejuice
  • [20:16:24] <jd823592> you did but after that you told me not to trust anyone what he says .. so i read the manual and now i am trying to sort things out in my head cause i am confused
  • [20:16:42] <_av500_> jd823592: you can always trust me :)
  • [20:16:49] <killring> section 7.3 (page 32) of the xm manual talks about the power requirements
  • [20:16:52] <jd823592> :D oh ok then :D
  • [20:16:58] <koen> _av500_ knows *it*
  • [20:17:48] <emeb> koen: what's good about beaglejuice?
  • [20:18:08] <_av500_> gn
  • [20:18:35] <jd823592> killring: you are right, sorry, i noticed just few other lines that mentioned power supply but this relevant piece of information i simply overlooked :D
  • [20:18:55] <djlewis> later _av500_
  • [20:19:38] <koen> emeb: it is powering a C4 + pico and looking good
  • [20:19:48] <killring> jd823592: no problem... it is a pretty thick manual with lots of information
  • [20:20:04] <emeb> koen: nice - any idea of the battery life on that?
  • [20:20:07] <koen> emeb: need to do a rundown test with cpuidle enabled to see how long it lasts
  • [20:20:46] <emeb> sounds like a project...
  • [20:21:08] <koen> emeb: it's going to look like http://wiki.makerbot.com/cyclops
  • [20:21:15] <koen> but without the laptop attached :)
  • [20:21:32] <emeb> Ah yes - you were talking about that
  • [20:21:42] <jd823592> _av500_: from what do you judge that the adapter you recommended me has the right connector
  • [20:22:16] <_av500_> same dimensions
  • [20:22:18] <koen> emeb: since I already have the eyecam, beagle, pico, battery, etc :)
  • [20:22:52] <emeb> koen: what kind of scanning resolution is that capable of?
  • [20:26:14] <koen> emeb: I suspect 480x320-ish
  • [20:26:24] <koen> enough for tradeshows
  • [20:26:57] <emeb> "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from..."
  • [20:27:07] <emeb> a) magic
  • [20:27:11] <emeb> b) a rigged demo
  • [20:27:19] <emeb> c) all of the above
  • [20:27:25] <Crofton_|work> c
  • [20:27:55] <prpplague> djlewis: food should be ready in about 20 minutes
  • [20:27:58] <koen> I would do b), but customers want all those beagleboard demos running on their omap3 hw
  • [20:28:15] <emeb> djlewis: can you pick me up on your way there?
  • [20:28:15] <djlewis> prpplague: hehee
  • [20:28:24] <djlewis> cool, a party
  • [20:28:25] <_av500_> prpplague: pizza or he wont come
  • [20:28:39] <djlewis> i'll bring cheap beer
  • [20:29:03] <_av500_> i figured
  • [20:29:10] <_av500_> gn(2)
  • [20:29:11] <djlewis> :)
  • [20:29:16] <prpplague> djlewis: chicken, steaks, vegetablel kaboobs , bratwerst, bacon/cheeder burgers
  • [20:29:34] * djlewis is salivating
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  • [20:33:03] <emeb> koen: once you get cyclops working you should try scanning your guinea pig
  • [20:33:20] <emeb> if he'll sit still long enough...
  • [20:33:26] <jd823592> if i understand it correctly the cards used with BB are microSD.. are they limited in the capacity/
  • [20:33:40] <koen> emeb: too furry I would guess
  • [20:34:06] <emeb> there's that
  • [20:34:26] <Crofton_|work> jd823592, micro SD cards can be huge
  • [20:34:48] * emeb had a 16GB uSD
  • [20:34:50] <jd823592> i mean would the board support them?
  • [20:35:04] <emeb> worked fine on a C4 BB...
  • [20:35:10] <jd823592> ok
  • [20:35:19] <emeb> for about 2 days before it died (the uSD card)
  • [20:36:42] <jd823592> :D? why did it die :D?
  • [20:37:18] <emeb> jd823592: beats me. Bad card?
  • [20:37:37] <jd823592> i search digi-key for the BB-xm case without success .. it probably isnt there, or have anyone seen it there?
  • [20:37:42] <emeb> I've seen that happen a few times - SD cards suffer from poor quality control
  • [20:38:40] <koen> jd823592: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/xm.htm ?
  • [20:38:47] <emeb> jd823592: I don't think digi-key sells the case
  • [20:40:07] <jd823592> does any one know whether and under what circumstances does specialcomp deliver in europe?
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  • [20:47:26] <koen> usps and approx $40
  • [20:47:29] <koen> but ask Bill
  • [20:47:52] <koen> I traded a few beaglecoasters for an xM case :)
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  • [21:01:47] <jd823592> given that i want BB but i dont have much knowledge about hardware, arm architecture would you recommend me not to get one?
  • [21:02:02] <jd823592> or do you think its the best thing to dive in
  • [21:02:36] <buZz> well, x86 is dying, you should better move on to stay ahead
  • [21:02:41] <emeb> learn by doing
  • [21:02:49] <buZz> arm is a very good direction
  • [21:03:44] <jd823592> x86 is dead for me.. its just that i squeeze the last drops of life out of it :D
  • [21:04:35] <jd823592> x86 is very ugly architecture..that much i have learned during my assembly language lessons
  • [21:04:56] <jd823592> but i dont know much about arm as i have said
  • [21:05:32] <emeb> x86 is a patch on a kludge held together with gum and paper clips
  • [21:05:50] <emeb> but it's the dominant architecture now
  • [21:06:15] <emeb> arm is arguably cleaner
  • [21:06:32] <emeb> if you're coding in assembly then arm might be easier to understand
  • [21:06:49] <emeb> if you're coding in C or higher then it probably doesn't matter
  • [21:08:29] <jd823592> i dont code in assembly anymore.. i have experimented with it, i have implemented simple programs like archiver based on huffman coding.. and then i only experimented with SSE instructions during the lecture.. thats all
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  • [21:09:58] <jd823592> but i am interested in Hurd project as well if you know about it.. and i would like to see it ported to arm .. i might even try to do something about it.. but it is unlikely i will accomplish this task
  • [21:10:11] <emeb> if you're doing critical SIMD stuff then the consensus seems to be that assembly is required.
  • [21:10:51] <jd823592> emeb: but i am not :)
  • [21:10:59] <jd823592> fortunatelly
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  • [21:29:39] <prpplague> koen: xm case?
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  • [21:37:35] <koen> prpplague: acryllic case for the xm
  • [21:37:50] <koen> prpplague: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/xMcase1.JPG
  • [21:38:16] <koen> or rather http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4885504398/
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