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  • [05:35:27] <new2bb> hi all, did some one has tried to install dsplink using openembedded
  • [05:35:30] <new2bb> ?
  • [05:36:41] <new2bb> while bitbake ti-codec-engine
  • [05:36:53] <new2bb> i am getting following error:
  • [05:36:58] <new2bb> ERROR: Logfile of failure stored in: /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ti-dsplink-1_1_64-r80h/temp/log.do_prepsources.9481 Log data follows: | /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ti-dsplink-1_1_64-r80h/temp/run.do_prepsources.9481: line 817: /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_200
  • [05:37:45] <new2bb> did some one has faced this problem??
  • [05:37:56] <new2bb> Log data follows: | /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ti-dsplink-1_1_64-r80h/temp/run.do_prepsources.9481: line 817: /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/ti/ti-xdctools-tree/xdc: No such file or directory NOTE: package ti-dsplink-1_1_64-r80h: task do_prepsources: Failed
  • [05:38:20] <av500> missing cdx tools
  • [05:38:23] <av500> xdc
  • [05:38:33] <av500> ti-xdctools-tree/xdc: No such file or directory
  • [05:38:40] <new2bb> yes, I have done bitbake ti-xdctools
  • [05:38:48] <new2bb> it did work fine
  • [05:38:51] <av500> well, something went wrong
  • [05:39:33] <av500> pastebin the full log of "bitbake ti-xdctools"
  • [05:42:06] <new2bb> bitbake ti-xdctools , pastebin at: http://pastebin.com/wzFkgVKN
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  • [05:45:15] <new2bb> av500, log is at :http://pastebin.com/wzFkgVKN
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  • [05:52:32] <new2bb> av500, at this location, /home/test/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2008_1/sysroots/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/ti/ti-xdctools-tree/, there is only folder name "patches"
  • [05:53:16] <av500> sorry, my knowledge of oe is limited...
  • [05:55:30] <new2bb> If you can look this link, http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/42/t/42905.aspx
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  • [06:01:28] <av500> and?
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  • [06:03:20] <new2bb> av500, Is it that xdc is not installed properly?? can i do it manually??
  • [06:03:40] <new2bb> or shud i clean xdctool and rerun
  • [06:05:13] <av500> try
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  • [08:18:39] <Seb000156> hello, I am trying to use the isp camera capture (tvp5146 with omap3530), I have my driver registered but no /dev/video0. Can someone help me? I use linux-omap-psp from arago project
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  • [08:23:15] <hvaibhav> Which release release/kernel version are u using?
  • [08:23:59] <jacekowski> Seb000156: udev?
  • [08:24:08] <jacekowski> Seb000156: or create your device node manually
  • [08:25:25] <Seb000156> I am using linux-omap-psp-2.6.32 r78
  • [08:25:50] <hvaibhav> any error message during bootup?
  • [08:25:57] <hvaibhav> related to Camera?
  • [08:27:04] <Seb000156> i2c /dev entries driver
  • [08:27:04] <Seb000156> Linux video capture interface: v2.00
  • [08:27:04] <Seb000156> tvp514x 3-005d: tvp514x 3-005d decoder driver registered !!
  • [08:27:04] <Seb000156> omap-iommu omap-iommu.0: isp: version 1.1
  • [08:27:04] <Seb000156> vpfe_init
  • [08:27:04] <Seb000156> udev: starting version 151
  • [08:27:05] <Seb000156> tvp514x: module is already loaded
  • [08:27:05] <Seb000156> Remounting root file system...
  • [08:27:24] <Seb000156> only these messages
  • [08:27:48] <Seb000156> I am a bit lost on how to register and get working the tvp5146
  • [08:27:55] <jacekowski> create device node by hand
  • [08:28:22] <hvaibhav> Try removing /etc/dev.tar and reboot the system, udev should recreate nodes again.
  • [08:28:45] <hvaibhav> Also as suggested by jacekowski, try creating device node manually
  • [08:29:22] <Seb000156> ok, I will try and come back, thank you for your help! :)
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  • [08:46:27] <gst-kaps> is dvsdk 3.0 part of latest angstrom ?
  • [08:47:14] <_koen_> angstrom doesn't thing in terms of dvsdk numbers
  • [08:47:31] <_koen_> is has working combinations of dsp/hw stuff for most TI platforms
  • [08:48:11] <_koen_> and the dvsdk numbers are generated by a random number generator, so noone knows what is in a given dvsdk
  • [08:48:30] <_koen_> e.g. dvsk 3.0 for dm355 has a different kernel version than dvsdk 3.0 for dm6446
  • [08:48:35] <_koen_> or omap3 for that matter
  • [08:49:05] <_koen_> so I go for stock answer #3 "Try and find out"
  • [08:49:34] <_koen_> a fairly recent gstreamer-ti works on beagle with angstrom
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  • [09:01:34] <Kmus> Morning all, has anyone done any Ethernet performance tests (even if its just large web or FTP downloads, etc.)
  • [09:01:52] <Kmus> I`m wondering if you can use the full 100Mb/s on a USB Ethernet device (in practice I know it will be about 80Mb/s)
  • [09:03:02] <av500> no
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  • [09:09:24] <Seb000156> One thing is strange, the behaviour is the same when I unplug the TVP5146... The driver is loaded but I think there is no detection of the TVP
  • [09:10:53] <gst-kaps> _koen_:ah I see
  • [09:12:36] <gst-kaps> _koen_:we have got some thirdparty codec combo, whose release note says install DVSDK 3.00.00.29
  • [09:12:51] <gst-kaps> hence confused as to how do I make use of these combo
  • [09:13:23] <av500> gst-kaps: just go ahead and try the comb
  • [09:13:25] <av500> gst-kaps: just go ahead and try the combo
  • [09:13:55] <gst-kaps> av500: cool will try that
  • [09:14:00] <av500> it is typical for a codec vendor to say "use release $foo"
  • [09:14:14] <av500> because that is what htey had on their evm when developing it
  • [09:14:25] <av500> it does not mean it wont work with $foo+x
  • [09:15:09] <gst-kaps> av500: I agree, thanks, I will update after testing
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  • [09:19:05] <_koen_> gst-kaps: if the combo is xdais compliant versions shouldn't matter
  • [09:19:35] <av500> _koen_: strictly speaking, the codecs inside are XDAIS compliant, no?
  • [09:19:49] <av500> not the server itself?
  • [09:22:54] <gst-kaps> _koen_:ah is it, yes the vendor says its xdm complaint
  • [09:25:12] <av500> gst-kaps: yes, it better be
  • [09:25:51] <_koen_> av500: right
  • [09:26:04] <_koen_> av500: since the server will include things like bios as well
  • [09:26:26] <av500> yes
  • [09:26:46] <av500> gst-kaps: the nice thing about XDM is there are so many to chose from :)
  • [09:26:49] <Seb000156> jacekowski: I think the driver (tvp514x.ko) should detect the TVP, isn't it?
  • [09:26:51] <av500> 0.9, 1.0, 2.0
  • [09:27:03] <gst-kaps> will just add this codec server in the /usr/share/ti/ti-codecs-server/
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  • [09:27:56] <gst-kaps> can the existing cs.x64P coexists with our new.x64P ?
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  • [09:28:32] <_koen_> gst-kaps: you need to rebuild gstreamer-ti against that codec, since there is currently no way to runtime detect the codecs
  • [09:29:16] <gst-kaps> _koen_:ah , let me check how to rebuild gstreamer ti with these new codecs
  • [09:29:45] <av500> gst-kaps: you need to know the internal names of server and codecs and put them
  • [09:30:20] <gst-kaps> av500: any link/blog I can refer to do that ?
  • [09:30:37] <av500> the one you write after you did it? :)
  • [09:30:45] <_koen_> gst-kaps: patch the omap3 codec recipe in OE to use your server and rebuild gst-ti
  • [09:33:06] <gst-kaps> _koen_:ah let me try and ping you back
  • [09:33:09] <gst-kaps> thanks
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  • [09:34:08] <damiannz> hi folks, i can't clone the openembedded repository (git says fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused))
  • [09:34:19] <damiannz> my other repos on github and my own private ones work fine from this machine
  • [09:34:34] <damiannz> command is git clone git://git.openembedded.org/openembedded
  • [09:35:39] <_koen_> damiannz: use http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-setup-scripts if you want to build OE
  • [09:35:49] <_koen_> that also has support for things like proxies
  • [09:36:43] <damiannz> i don't need to use a proxy normally though
  • [09:36:51] <damiannz> it's just this repo
  • [09:39:47] <damiannz> _koen_: damian@artvertiser-damian:~/code/oe/angstrom-setup-scripts$ ./oebb.sh update
  • [09:39:47] <damiannz> Checking out bitbake
  • [09:39:47] <damiannz> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/damian/code/oe/angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/bitbake/.git/
  • [09:39:47] <damiannz> git.openembedded.org[0: 140.211.169.165]: errno=Connection refused
  • [09:39:47] <damiannz> fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused)
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  • [09:42:05] <_koen_> damiannz: so something between you and oregon doesn't like you :(
  • [09:42:16] <damiannz> sucks!
  • [09:42:21] <damiannz> what can i do about it?
  • [09:42:44] <av500> move to oregon?
  • [09:42:48] <damiannz> haha
  • [09:42:54] <_koen_> try git://gitorious.org/angstrom/openembedded.git
  • [09:43:39] <damiannz> ok that's working better, thanks!
  • [09:43:59] <damiannz> oh while i'm here
  • [09:44:17] <damiannz> has anyone had any luck getting sound to work with ubuntu on the beagleboard?
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  • [09:44:43] <damiannz> i seem to have alsa installed + working but there's just no sound output
  • [09:44:53] <damiannz> whereas my angstrom install makes sound just fine
  • [09:47:17] <jacekowski> Seb000156: but driver doesn't create device nodes
  • [09:47:22] <jacekowski> Seb000156: it's udev that does it
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  • [09:54:04] <ddd_> the parameter "BASE_BUILDOS" inside "dspplink/make/linux/omap3530_2.6.mk" seems useless, it can be ignored?
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  • [09:55:03] <av500> no
  • [09:55:13] <av500> I see it used
  • [09:55:30] <av500> BASE_OSINC := $(BASE_BUILDOS)/include2 -I$(BASE_BUILDOS)/include ...
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  • [09:58:07] <ddd_> but, whatever you set it up to any, or comments it, the result is same, no any change,
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  • [10:05:06] <new2bb> it may seems to be stupid question, just for the confirmation, can some one tell me , what is the
  • [10:05:57] <new2bb> appropriate command for doing proper clean, i mean removing all packages and dependencies, i have done bitbake -c clean and
  • [10:06:04] <new2bb> bitbake -c clean world
  • [10:06:18] <new2bb> but it didn't remove evrything
  • [10:07:34] <_koen_> bitbake -c package or rm the complete tmpdir
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  • [10:14:01] <new2bb> tmpdir is inside build , i believe its tmp-angstrom_2008_1
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  • [10:30:21] <maltanar> hi all!
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  • [10:33:19] <_koen_> hey there maltanar
  • [10:34:10] <maltanar> hail!
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  • [10:44:03] <maltanar> anyone know if CMEM allocates memory using kmalloc?
  • [10:44:20] <mru> rtfs
  • [10:44:56] <mru> yes
  • [10:44:58] <mru> a little
  • [10:44:59] <maltanar> hmm, so the virt_to_phys in asm/io.h probably wouldn't work, wouldn't it
  • [10:45:02] <mru> for some bookkeeping
  • [10:45:23] <mru> the buffers it returns are from a pre-reserved block
  • [10:45:37] <mru> it uses kmalloc only for some internal structs
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  • [10:46:05] <maltanar> okay :) thanks
  • [10:46:23] <maltanar> I want to convert physical addresses of CMEM-allocated blocks back to virtual and looking for the best way to do it
  • [10:46:54] <maltanar> CMEM_register does this, but I think it generates new mappings with each call
  • [10:47:23] * maltanar grumbles
  • [10:47:35] <maltanar> CMEM's allocated blocks are guaranteed to be contiguous and not broken into pages, right?
  • [10:47:45] <maltanar> so if I keep the initial virtual-physical matching in some data structure
  • [10:47:48] <mru> yes, that's what the c is all about
  • [10:48:30] <maltanar> I should be able to map physical addresses located in that block back to virtual
  • [10:48:37] <av500> maltanar: what are you after
  • [10:48:39] <av500> maltanar: what are you after?
  • [10:48:42] <av500> in the end?
  • [10:49:18] <maltanar> av500: I want to convert physical addresses of CMEM-allocated blocks back to virtual and looking for the best way to do it
  • [10:49:26] <av500> why back`
  • [10:49:27] <av500> why back?
  • [10:49:31] <maltanar> ah, that
  • [10:49:32] <av500> your app gets a virt adress
  • [10:49:40] <av500> and you can ask for the matching phys
  • [10:49:41] <maltanar> during DSP-> GPP RPC
  • [10:50:09] <av500> so?
  • [10:50:09] <maltanar> DSP needs phy addresses so I translate CMEM allocated blocks addresses and pass them to the DSP in that manner
  • [10:50:16] <av500> sure
  • [10:50:23] <av500> and you forget the virt?
  • [10:50:43] <maltanar> when the DSP does some RPC involving pointers, I need to translate back the addresses to virtual, so GPP funcs can work with them
  • [10:51:12] <maltanar> that's what I was thinking, I can keep track of the virt<->phy matchings on my own
  • [10:51:42] <av500> you mean, if the dsp says phys + 1234, you need to get virt + 1234?
  • [10:52:07] <maltanar> not sure if I can assume that - is the virtual memory block guaranteed to be contiguous as well?
  • [10:52:20] <av500> maltanar: yes, very much
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  • [10:52:29] <av500> thats is the whole idea of virtual memory
  • [10:52:50] <av500> but I still dont get why you need to reverse map anything
  • [10:53:02] <av500> the app that allocated cmem buffer knows virt
  • [10:53:54] <maltanar> okay, let's say I allocated some block with CMEM with virtual address 0x400 and phy address 0x800
  • [10:54:03] <av500> ok
  • [10:54:04] <maltanar> so I pass this 0x800 to the DSP, which copies some string into that buffer
  • [10:54:09] <av500> yes
  • [10:54:14] <av500> the virt is stil 0x400
  • [10:54:40] <maltanar> and then, let's say the DSP wants to printf part of the string by doing printf("%s", 0x810)
  • [10:54:50] <maltanar> I pass this 0x810 back to the GPP directly
  • [10:54:54] <maltanar> to the unmarshaller, that is
  • [10:55:02] <maltanar> it knows it's a buffer parameter and that it needs translation
  • [10:55:26] <maltanar> since we need to do print("%s", 0x410) on the GPP, and not 0x810
  • [10:55:41] <av500> the offset is the same on both 0x10
  • [10:55:53] <maltanar> yup, I wasn't sure about that though :)
  • [10:55:55] <maltanar> thanks
  • [10:55:58] <av500> and you better make sure it is < sizeof(cmem buffer)
  • [10:56:14] <av500> maltanar: is is *C*mem
  • [10:56:18] <av500> maltanar: is is *C*mem
  • [10:56:25] <av500> c=continuous
  • [10:56:49] <maltanar> I'll keep track of all the allocated blocks' base addresses & sizes, so I can locate the relevant base addy and do the delta accordingly
  • [10:57:35] <av500> maltanar: but still I find printf("%s", 0x810) very strange
  • [10:57:44] <maltanar> though I was wondering if I could use phys_to_virt directly, instead of keeping the table myself
  • [10:57:54] <maltanar> erm, why is it strange?
  • [10:57:57] <av500> what if the dsp wants to print something from his own memory?
  • [10:58:16] <av500> or is all what you do inside one big cmem block?
  • [10:58:27] <maltanar> that's what we assume for RPC for now
  • [10:58:39] <maltanar> C6Run's own C I/O can take care of printing from DSP's own memory
  • [10:58:41] <av500> well, but then you have one big block only anyway
  • [10:58:45] <maltanar> since it copies all the buffers
  • [10:58:54] <av500> so all you need is the offset anyway
  • [10:59:04] <av500> your marshaller app knows virt and phys
  • [10:59:09] <av500> and can add offset as needed
  • [10:59:30] <av500> basically you define a new memory space that goes from 0x00 to sizeof(cmem block)
  • [10:59:43] <av500> gpp adds virt
  • [10:59:46] <av500> dsp adds phys
  • [11:00:10] <maltanar> exactly :)
  • [11:00:29] <av500> so, the reverse map of offset_x is offset_x :)
  • [11:00:57] <maltanar> though it's a problem if the user wants to print some string alloc'd from the DSP heap or stack
  • [11:01:13] <av500> int reverse_map( int ofs ) { return ofs; }
  • [11:01:28] <av500> maltanar: of course
  • [11:01:40] <av500> how do you handle that?
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  • [11:02:30] <maltanar> we don't, at least not for now :) we ask that all RPC calls involving pointers should have those buffers alloc'd using rpc_malloc
  • [11:02:34] <maltanar> which uses CMEM
  • [11:03:12] <av500> so, back to one gib cmem
  • [11:03:15] <av500> big
  • [11:03:27] <maltanar> I haven't been able to come up with any brilliant solutions to that problem, unfortunately.
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  • [11:04:21] <av500> maltanar: it will always involve some kind of shared mem
  • [11:04:26] <maltanar> if we assume we know the size of everything (let's say, force the user to declare that) then we can manually copy the buffers into somewhere shared
  • [11:04:32] <av500> sure
  • [11:04:57] <maltanar> but that's one big assumption to make :)
  • [11:05:34] <maltanar> DSP/Link funcs PROC_read and PROC_write can read/write to the DSP memory space, but then we'd have to map all GPP-side mem read/write calls to those
  • [11:05:37] <av500> well, or you have a rule that says that dsp call to gpp assume that the mem involved is from shared
  • [11:05:59] <maltanar> yes. it's much cleaner to implement that way, so katie and daniel suggested we go for that for now.
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  • [11:06:45] <av500> dping stuff like printf that can involve a random amout of mem cleanly is hard
  • [11:06:48] <av500> doing
  • [11:07:33] <av500> maltanar: hmm, but this means you cant do a simple printf("hello\") from the dsp
  • [11:07:42] <av500> coz that "hello" is in dsp mem
  • [11:07:45] <av500> not shared...
  • [11:08:20] <av500> or?
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  • [11:08:41] <maltanar> well
  • [11:08:51] <maltanar> C6Run's existing I/O handles that
  • [11:08:56] <maltanar> so you can still do that
  • [11:09:09] <maltanar> but if you actually want to call the RPC printf
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  • [11:18:07] <av500> RPC printf?
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  • [11:29:00] <Kmus> Anyone messed with the audio in/out features of the beagle? wondering how good the quality is?
  • [11:29:49] <mru> probably about as good as you'd expect from a dinky little DAC/ADC sharing chipspace with a power regulator
  • [11:30:27] <jacekowski> Kmus: well, i saw better audio
  • [11:30:33] <_koen_> you see audio?
  • [11:30:34] <_koen_> wow
  • [11:30:59] <mru> _koen_: synesthesia
  • [11:31:39] <mru> or maybe he's just running a spectrum analyser
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  • [11:32:44] <Kmus> jacekowski - so you think the quality is ok?
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  • [11:37:20] <Kmus> mru - I accept the chip used isn't exactly pro-audio, but this product is for cheap end consumers :)
  • [11:37:50] <av500> so u are fine
  • [11:38:15] <jacekowski> Kmus: no that was me saying very diplomaticaly that it's shit
  • [11:38:46] <mru> jacekowski: and Kmus said he's ok with his end users having that
  • [11:38:48] <jacekowski> Kmus: i mean - cheap SB live! can do much better sound that beagle board
  • [11:38:57] <jacekowski> than*
  • [11:39:13] <jacekowski> but well, most people are deaf and don't notice a difference
  • [11:39:26] <mru> at least it shouldn't pick up noise from the dram interface like the onboard sound on an computer I had
  • [11:39:59] <jacekowski> but anybody with half decent hi-fi system would be able to pick up difference between beagle board DAC
  • [11:40:07] <jacekowski> and usb sound blaster for example
  • [11:40:44] * mru uses optical output fed to a proper receiver
  • [11:41:24] <av500> hmm, the beagle has a blinkable LED, no?
  • [11:41:30] <mru> two
  • [11:41:45] <av500> stereo!
  • [11:41:51] <mru> bitbang spdif?
  • [11:42:04] <av500> sure, I have the frame code here :)
  • [11:43:55] <jacekowski> i doubt you could bitbang spdif with these leds
  • [11:44:06] * mru too
  • [11:44:11] <av500> gpio speed is prolly to slow
  • [11:44:13] <jacekowski> but i would buy you a crate of beer if you would
  • [11:44:38] <mru> simpler to hook an spi to an spdif interface chip
  • [11:44:51] <mru> and a level shifter of course
  • [11:45:02] <av500> mru: always a level shifter (from TI)
  • [11:45:08] <mru> level shifters are to TI what ink is to HP
  • [11:45:13] <av500> yep
  • [11:45:18] <av500> but we beat the system
  • [11:47:07] <jacekowski> yeah, transistors do the same thing
  • [11:47:13] <av500> no
  • [11:47:15] <av500> well yes
  • [11:47:46] <av500> we found that for the number of pins we needed, it was cheaper to use a small fpga than level shifters
  • [11:47:57] <av500> and the fpga could level shift itself
  • [11:48:56] * mru patents self-shifting signals
  • [11:48:58] <jacekowski> i would just don't use level shifter at all
  • [11:49:04] <Kmus> so I`d be safer (even in a consumer market) to spin my own hardware with analogue inputs and digital SPDIF hardware (via SPI)
  • [11:49:11] <jacekowski> and have everything running on 1.8V
  • [11:50:00] <_koen_> mru: gcc question: how can I instruct gcc to use vfpv3 for doubles and still be able to compile neon stuff?
  • [11:50:20] <_koen_> mru: I guess doing gcc -mfpu=neon -mfpu=vfpv3 won't work as I intend
  • [11:50:36] <mru> no, that will give you vfpv3 only
  • [11:50:49] <mru> hold on, let me check the source code
  • [11:52:50] <_koen_> I still need to verify the report at whetstone getting a 2x boot with -mfpu=vfpv3 myself, but I would like to know my options :)
  • [11:53:03] <mru> that's ridiculous
  • [11:53:12] <av500> raster: in france yet?
  • [11:53:14] <mru> whetstone spends 103% of the time in libm calls
  • [11:53:24] <mru> make sure you use hardfloat abi
  • [11:53:36] <_koen_> yes, it's about building libm with vfpv3
  • [11:53:39] <mru> otherwise you'll be spending all your time moving stuff from vfp to arm regs
  • [11:53:55] <_koen_> hardfloat is not an option currently, but will be in the future
  • [11:54:12] <mru> what do you mean by that?
  • [11:54:17] <mru> recent gcc supports it
  • [11:54:23] <mru> glibc works fine
  • [11:55:08] <mru> ah, -mfpu=neon implies vfpv3
  • [11:55:16] <_koen_> I currently need to stay compatible with stuff out there
  • [11:55:32] <mru> I meant for benchmarking only
  • [11:55:35] <av500> _koen_: falling into the vendor kernel trap, are we?
  • [11:55:37] <_koen_> mru: it implies vfpv3 for gcc 4.4 I suspect
  • [11:55:46] <mru> I'm looking at gcc 4.5.0 source
  • [11:55:47] <_koen_> I wonder what 4.3 does
  • [11:55:56] <_koen_> 4.4.0 added -mpfu=vfpv3
  • [11:56:01] <_koen_> av500: sadly, yes
  • [11:56:06] <av500> tsk tsk tsk
  • [11:56:39] <mru> _koen_: -mfpu=vfpv3 selects vfpv3 without neon
  • [11:56:46] <mru> "vfp" means vfpv2
  • [11:57:21] <mru> you can't have neon without the high regs
  • [11:57:48] <mru> gcc is missing an option for integer-only neon though
  • [11:58:49] <jacekowski> well, arm core can do integer stuff as fast as neon
  • [11:58:57] <mru> untrue
  • [11:59:06] <mru> neon can do 16 8-bit ops per cycle
  • [11:59:15] <mru> arm can only do 4
  • [11:59:25] <_koen_> and neon runs in parallel to arm
  • [11:59:25] <jacekowski> but you have to push data to neon as well
  • [11:59:34] <mru> you have to push data to arm too
  • [11:59:46] <mru> and neon load/store moves 16 bytes per cycle
  • [11:59:49] <mru> arm only 8
  • [12:00:46] <_koen_> mru: thanks for the info!
  • [12:03:00] <mru> btw I tried building ffmpeg with the c6x compiler again
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  • [12:12:17] <_koen_> he's at lunch
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  • [13:59:03] <Redb3ard> Guys, the serial port on the BeagleBoard, it's /dev/ttyS0 right?
  • [13:59:16] <av500> S2?
  • [13:59:30] <Redb3ard> Is it? That'd explain why I couldn't get shit.
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  • [13:59:38] <Redb3ard> What are 0 and 1 then, though?
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  • [14:01:42] <mru> not connected to the header on the board
  • [14:01:59] <Redb3ard> There are two? I thought there was only 1 like that.
  • [14:02:07] <Redb3ard> Anyway, thanks, av500.
  • [14:02:41] <mru> the chip has at least 3 rs232 interfaces
  • [14:03:14] <av500> mru: it has 3 UARTS
  • [14:03:18] <Redb3ard> Well, that much is clear.
  • [14:03:46] <mru> the third is wired to the 10-pin header
  • [14:03:53] <mru> one is wired to the expansion port iirc
  • [14:04:01] <mru> and the last one isn't used at all
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  • [14:21:19] <XeMa> hello all
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  • [14:21:44] <XeMa> does anyone already used ukermit to flash u-boot ?
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  • [14:22:02] <XeMa> I got this message Failed after 4 retries in sequence 0 - success send = 0 bytes Data transmit failed
  • [14:22:26] <XeMa> I used pserial without any problem
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  • [16:25:29] <Redb3ard> Anyone here read much about the Hawkboard?
  • [16:26:18] <emeb> I've got one. What's your question.
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  • [17:00:03] <Redb3ard> emeb, was just curious about it.
  • [17:00:09] <Redb3ard> I can't find a price, for one.
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  • [17:00:51] <Redb3ard> I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a better fit for our application... the single usb port makes things difficult for me, for instance.
  • [17:01:30] <jacekowski> there are better arm boards
  • [17:01:44] <jacekowski> if you just needs usb ports
  • [17:02:15] <jacekowski> http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/arm-sbc.php
  • [17:02:21] <koen> approx $80 for the hawkboard
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  • [17:02:54] <av500> Redb3ard: was that the tractors?
  • [17:02:56] <koen> ah, ts systems
  • [17:02:57] <jacekowski> koen: + tax
  • [17:03:11] <av500> unless shipped to tax haven
  • [17:03:20] <koen> or lax custom officials
  • [17:03:46] <koen> I dealt with ts in my ep93xx days
  • [17:03:54] <koen> my god, what a clueless bunch of people
  • [17:04:06] <koen> their linux bsp is bad on purpose
  • [17:04:11] <koen> their ceo is a bsd fan
  • [17:04:37] <koen> so everytime you come with a bug in their linux bsp you have to go thru the "use bsd, it's better" thing
  • [17:04:51] <av500> BSDBSP?
  • [17:06:38] <koen> that was 3 years ago, they might have improved since
  • [17:06:42] <Redb3ard> Heh.
  • [17:07:48] <koen> see http://lwn.net/Articles/230831/
  • [17:08:04] <koen> that was the ELC2007 keynote about how cirrus handled the ep93xx linux support
  • [17:08:11] <koen> (that's what the TS7200 boards use)
  • [17:08:24] <koen> "I think we will just maintain our own port for the 93xx. I am not going to want to support code not written by Cirrus Logic. So I give you kuddos for getting to the port first, but using GIT makes it easy to remove your work and add ours."
  • [17:08:32] <av500> ...In one kernel from a system-on-chip vendor, this allegedly 2.6.10 kernel had patches to about 10,000 different files...
  • [17:08:37] <koen> that's about removing drivers already in mainline
  • [17:08:43] <av500> hmm, 2.6.10 reminds me of some TI kernel...
  • [17:09:01] <koen> av500: TI didn't really have TI kernels back then
  • [17:09:09] <av500> of course
  • [17:09:12] <av500> DM6441
  • [17:09:16] <av500> we got 2.6.10 from ti
  • [17:09:19] <koen> virtio
  • [17:09:26] <av500> that too
  • [17:09:39] <av500> gen4 was based on 2.6.10
  • [17:09:42] <koen> tha 2.6.10 is 2.6.10 + MV magic + TI stuff
  • [17:09:48] <av500> sure
  • [17:11:04] <Redb3ard> jace, some of those arm boards look interesting.
  • [17:11:17] <Redb3ard> Thanks for the link, sounds dumb, but I've never found it until now.
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  • [17:18:11] <Redb3ard> The only one with 4 USB though is $139 in qty 100. I was hoping for something sub-$100.
  • [17:18:30] <Redb3ard> Dunno, that might work.
  • [17:20:36] <jacekowski> usb hub
  • [17:20:52] <jacekowski> or make your own board
  • [17:20:55] <jacekowski> it's not that hard
  • [17:21:15] <jacekowski> and they will build them cheap in china
  • [17:21:16] <Redb3ard> We're trying to get away from making our own boards.
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  • [17:30:22] <iwinulose> hello world
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  • [17:31:57] <iwinulose> I'm here because my beagleboard has stopped providing useful output over serial--it's been working for about 1.5-2 months now, but this morning I plugged the board in and only get unknown characters (which screen interprets as ?'s) back.
  • [17:32:29] <iwinulose> If anyone has any suggestions for further debugging I'd be greatly appreciative
  • [17:32:50] <Redb3ard> Baud rate.
  • [17:32:57] <Redb3ard> Set correctly on the other side of the serial cable?
  • [17:33:02] <djlewis_> protocol
  • [17:33:15] <Redb3ard> That too.
  • [17:33:27] <iwinulose> Redb3ard: I've been using 115200 for as long as I've had the board and it's worked swimmingly
  • [17:33:35] <Redb3ard> And you didn't switch cables, did you?
  • [17:33:38] <iwinulose> Redb3ard: no
  • [17:33:52] <Redb3ard> Yeh... but did you maybe reboot the computer, or did minicom's settings get changed?
  • [17:34:29] <iwinulose> The computer has been rebooted, yes.
  • [17:34:41] <djlewis_> did a mouse eat through the cable?
  • [17:34:49] <iwinulose> no xD
  • [17:35:40] <Redb3ard> If it did, then depending on the computer's init scripts, it could have set the serial port to some other baud rate.
  • [17:36:01] <iwinulose> Redb3ard: I'm using a usb-serial controller
  • [17:36:12] <iwinulose> as I don't have a machine with a serial port on it anymore
  • [17:36:18] <Redb3ard> For windows? For linux?
  • [17:36:29] <djlewis_> is this a difference than last working?
  • [17:36:39] <iwinulose> Redb3ard: osx actually.
  • [17:36:41] <iwinulose> djlewis_: no
  • [17:36:46] <Redb3ard> Hmm.
  • [17:36:56] <iwinulose> the only difference between it last working at ~6pm and this morning is that its 14 hours later
  • [17:37:00] <djlewis_> hmmm
  • [17:37:00] <Redb3ard> Well, if you had more than one, it's anyone's guess which port it comes up as.
  • [17:37:08] <Redb3ard> But you probably only have one.
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  • [17:38:59] <iwinulose> Redb3ard: Well there are two terminals that show up in /dev/, cu.usbserial and tty.usbserial
  • [17:39:02] <iwinulose> both have worked in the past
  • [17:39:11] <iwinulose> and both exibit the same behavior now :-/
  • [17:40:08] <Redb3ard> USB-serial cables are always flaky for me.
  • [17:40:21] <Redb3ard> Especially if it's that cp2101 chipset.
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  • [18:54:39] <djlewis_> simply plugged in a usb flash stick and BOOM! it shutdown the computer
  • [18:56:29] <b7500af1> when using zmodem/minicom to transfer files to the bb, all I get is "root@beagleboard:/# ???**B0600000000cd85
  • [18:56:29] <b7500af1> -sh: ???**B0600000000cd85: not found "
  • [18:56:35] <_av500_> djlewis_: fun fact: make any removable media with a file with a ":" in the filename
  • [18:56:39] <b7500af1> I can't rz
  • [18:56:43] <_av500_> and plug into e.g. win2k
  • [18:57:16] <prpplague> b7500af1: probably need to install the lrzsz package
  • [18:57:21] <_av500_> win2k gave instant blue screen
  • [18:57:35] <b7500af1> prpplague, did that
  • [18:57:56] <djlewis_> _av500_: hi, interesting trivia
  • [18:58:11] <ds2> _av500_: thanks... I'll remember to create a file called 'A:' on every thumb drive I have ;)
  • [18:58:16] <_av500_> yeah
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  • [18:58:25] <prpplague> b7500af1: if you have the package installed on your beagle root file system, you need to issue the rz command to receive the file
  • [18:58:30] <_av500_> in my case it was a date/time name
  • [18:58:38] <_av500_> dunno if xp is the same
  • [19:00:36] <b7500af1> it says it can't find the rz command..
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  • [19:00:59] <prpplague> b7500af1: then i suspect you don't have the package installed
  • [19:01:39] <b7500af1> prpplague, opkg list-installed has lrzsz-dbg
  • [19:02:16] <prpplague> b7500af1: might want to check and see if the dbg package actually contains anything
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  • [19:06:33] <b7500af1> koen, when I do opkg list | grep lrzsz, I get the lrzsz-dbg.. but I don't see that in the feedbrowser on ang-dist. Similarly, I see a lrzsz-dev on the feedbrowser, but not in opkg on my bb..
  • [19:08:02] <b7500af1> prpplague, if the package installed correctly, I should have a rz exe in my /usr/bin (which I do..), correct?
  • [19:08:54] <prpplague> b7500af1: yes, and the permissions of the rz ?
  • [19:08:58] <prpplague> b7500af1: 755?
  • [19:13:50] <b7500af1> prpplague, 777
  • [19:14:18] <b7500af1> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jun 19 00:34 ./rz -> lrz
  • [19:14:26] <b7500af1> what does the "./rz -> lrz" mean?
  • [19:14:47] <prpplague> b7500af1: it is a link to lrz, you need to see if lrz there as well
  • [19:15:06] <b7500af1> nope
  • [19:16:00] <b7500af1> well, it's in usr/bin/.debug..
  • [19:17:48] <prpplague> b7500af1: you really should have installed the standard package
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  • [19:20:47] <djlewis_> all the clouds and showers around and only .27" rain this month
  • [19:21:16] <ds2> djlewis_: isn't your area suppose to be pretty humid now?
  • [19:21:45] <djlewis_> only 81%
  • [19:22:03] <ds2> all that w/only 0.27"
  • [19:22:11] <djlewis_> yep.
  • [19:22:13] <ds2> it doesn't drain quickly?
  • [19:22:48] <djlewis_> I need a slow sprinkle at my place. These thunderstorms that drop an inch in 15 minutes just run off.
  • [19:23:02] <djlewis_> But I am not even getting those
  • [19:24:01] <ds2> i miss the random summer showers
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  • [19:24:42] <djlewis_> I love the distant long rolling rumbling thunder with showers while sitting on the porch.
  • [19:25:31] <djlewis_> the smell of fresh acid rain and the peace and quiet, hard to beat ;)
  • [19:26:19] <djlewis_> Actually we dont get much in acid rains, not a industrial area within several states. Unless the coal fire Power plantes provide.
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  • [19:28:10] <ds2> I'd like some acid rail out here
  • [19:28:22] <ds2> wash off all the @#$!@!@%#$!@#$!@# lime deposits from the ground water
  • [19:28:33] <djlewis_> would Purple Rain suffice?
  • [19:28:44] <ds2> transparent preferred
  • [19:28:44] <AlTheKiller> Is there a more uptodate guide to enabling i2c2 in uboot?
  • [19:28:59] <AlTheKiller> I think I have the pinmux right but no multibus support
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  • [19:30:30] <b7500af1> prpplague, thanks for the help.. sorry for the newb questions.
  • [19:30:46] <prpplague> np
  • [19:32:40] <ds2> hmmmmm the kernel pinmux would solve things quite nicely
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  • [19:35:00] <_av500_> nah, do pinmux in ROM code
  • [19:36:22] <djlewis_> I like my pinmux'x with fries
  • [19:39:32] <prpplague> djlewis_: i used to get mine with fries, but i am trying to go lite so now i get a side salad
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  • [19:44:52] <djlewis_> :)
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  • [19:57:20] <djlewis_> another reason to get some micro SD cards, my new phone uses them for mp3
  • [19:58:33] <djlewis_> oh, minimum size = 32mb
  • [19:59:00] <buZz> i wonder when storage will be small enough to fit the entire western library of media in a glass
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  • [19:59:49] <mru> http://xkcd.com/691/
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  • [20:47:03] <iwinulose> Hey all: if anyone is curious about the problem I was having earlier (getting garbage over serial with the proper baud rate, driver config, etc) here's the answer: don't let other people touch your beagleboard
  • [20:47:22] <iwinulose> someone had decided to look at it and put the serial lead on backwards
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  • [20:52:26] <Redb3ard> Haha.
  • [20:52:37] <Redb3ard> Glad it was an easy fix for you.
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  • [20:52:57] <prpplague> iwinulose: s/beagleboard/stuff
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  • [20:53:08] <prpplague> RoHS: hey hey
  • [20:53:14] <RoHS> howdy
  • [20:53:19] <prpplague> RoHS: what;s cookin the land of gadgets?
  • [20:53:25] <RoHS> soldering class tonight
  • [20:53:32] <RoHS> preparing to stream it online.
  • [20:53:54] <prpplague> RoHS: oh oh, i have some good advice for the class
  • [20:54:09] <iwinulose> Redb3ard: "easy" still cost me 4 hours I'd rather be debugging code than hardware xD
  • [20:54:10] <RoHS> what's that?
  • [20:54:10] <iwinulose> but yes
  • [20:54:20] <mru> hold the soldering iron by the plastic end
  • [20:54:22] <prpplague> RoHS: "after having a six pack of beer, never solder while only wearing your boxer shorts"
  • [20:54:58] <RoHS> I'll be sure to toss that tidbit out there to the people attending the class.
  • [20:55:05] <Redb3ard> I know, but somedays you're just glad to figure something out. Be grateful.
  • [20:55:11] <Redb3ard> You might have spent 12 hours on it.
  • [20:55:31] * djlewis_ says, never solder with Weller 8200 over your legs while wearing polyester pants
  • [20:55:32] <prpplague> RoHS: useful info
  • [20:56:08] <Redb3ard> Guys, are SD cards generally cheaper than compact flash of the same capacity?
  • [20:56:19] <djlewis_> yep, that was a long long time ago in another universe...
  • [20:56:30] <prpplague> Redb3ard: these days yes
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  • [20:56:54] <ebond> Hey I was wondering if anyone knows what happened to the two BeagleBoard carputer projects? Like Beagle Traveler?
  • [20:56:57] <prpplague> Redb3ard: i'd be surprised if you can find a 2gb cf card
  • [20:57:38] <Redb3ard> I found an arm sbc I like, but it's CF.
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  • [20:57:51] <Redb3ard> First I've seen like that. Everything else is sata and/or sd.
  • [20:58:02] <prpplague> Redb3ard: which board?
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  • [20:58:19] <Redb3ard> http://www.embeddedsys.com/subpages/products/sbc1626.shtml
  • [20:58:39] <Redb3ard> More than enough USB ports for my purposes.
  • [20:58:51] <Redb3ard> There are a few use cases where I need 5 or 6.
  • [20:58:53] <ebond> Does anyone need an Interface Designer for their projects by any chance?
  • [20:59:09] <ds2> what's so rare about 2G CF cards?
  • [20:59:31] <ds2> 6G, 8G, etc are at one point reasonably common
  • [20:59:51] * prpplague hasn't seen any at the stores in awhile
  • [21:00:00] <prpplague> ds2: guess they probably are available online
  • [21:00:25] <ds2> prpplague: the microdrive variants would be one option
  • [21:00:25] <ojn> amazon has plenty of them to choose from
  • [21:01:05] <Redb3ard> I've seen $12 for 8gig micro SDs when I looked.
  • [21:01:20] <ojn> SD != CF
  • [21:01:21] <Redb3ard> And if I pare down my install, I can do 2gig fairly easily.
  • [21:01:25] <ojn> SD has much higher volumes
  • [21:01:29] <ojn> (these days)
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  • [21:01:36] <Redb3ard> But I'm seeing much higher prices for compact flash.
  • [21:01:40] <ds2> SD is still ramping up.. CF is ramping down
  • [21:01:43] <Redb3ard> Hell, I didn't even know anyone made it, really.
  • [21:01:54] <ds2> but CF is nice in that you can get rotating media in that formfactor
  • [21:01:55] <ojn> Hm, I take that back. most hits on amazon are actually for larger cards. but they are available.
  • [21:01:58] <koen> ds2: if you push hard you can fit a cf in an sd slot
  • [21:02:10] <Redb3ard> Rotation means energy wasted on physically moving something.
  • [21:02:14] <Redb3ard> Solid state is nice.
  • [21:02:16] <ds2> koen: I am a weakling, so that ain't an option ;)
  • [21:02:25] <ds2> Redb3ard: rotating is better if you need swap space
  • [21:02:35] <robtow> rotating is bad for mobile devices.
  • [21:02:37] <koen> Redb3ard: solid state moves electrons
  • [21:02:47] <ojn> ds2: why get moving media if you can avoid it?
  • [21:03:12] <ds2> ojn: problem is being able to avoid it... wear leveling is a pain for stuff like swap
  • [21:03:19] <koen> If I put an sd card on another desk, does it become moving media as well?
  • [21:03:38] <ojn> ds2: sure, but swapping to one of those microdrives is bound to be painful no matter how you do it. Design your system with enough ram instead.
  • [21:03:50] <ojn> koen: depends on how big of a smartass you are. :)
  • [21:03:54] <robtow> OMAP processors have decent RAM.
  • [21:03:56] <Redb3ard> I'm not convinced wear leveling is that important.
  • [21:04:03] <ds2> ojn: tell the Si makers to add more chipselects and address lines ;)
  • [21:04:04] <prpplague> koen: hey question, what airport should i fly into if i'm headed to cambridge?
  • [21:04:24] <ojn> ds2: or choose your software to fit your hardware.
  • [21:04:43] <ojn> alternatively, choose your hardware to fit your software, if you prefer. and go with a vendor that gives you what you need.
  • [21:04:50] <ds2> ojn: the number of app developers outnumber the number of nerf bats available
  • [21:05:01] <Redb3ard> Hell, I don't even think I bothered to put a swap partition on this sd card.
  • [21:05:13] <Redb3ard> It's not like I'm running Firefox on it. ;)
  • [21:05:19] <koen> prpplague: I suspect luton, but let me check
  • [21:05:51] <ds2> prpplague: getting an honorary PhD?
  • [21:06:09] <prpplague> ds2: just planning ahead for CELF-EU
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  • [21:06:27] <robtow> <--has not put swap partition on any of my SD cards, and have been doing image processing on 12.7 megabyte images, on Beagleboard and Overo boards (OMAP 3450).
  • [21:06:46] <robtow> What application do you have that *needs* swap?
  • [21:07:03] <Redb3ard> It's not so much any single application needing swap...
  • [21:07:09] <Redb3ard> But the sum total going overboard.
  • [21:07:16] <ds2> ones that do calloc(0xffffffff);? :D
  • [21:07:18] <koen> prpplague: stansted looks closer
  • [21:07:35] <robtow> DO you have an existance proof of the need?
  • [21:07:37] <Redb3ard> How much ram does a C4 have anyway?
  • [21:07:57] <prpplague> koen: hmm, i tried stansted , but it keeps showing no flights available
  • [21:08:05] <ds2> Redb3ard: depends on how much is used and if a Ram is near by when you press the button? :D
  • [21:08:11] <robtow> 512MB
  • [21:08:16] <prpplague> koen: i bet i am going to have to go in through heathrow
  • [21:08:50] <koen> cambridge has an airport as well
  • [21:08:54] <robtow> <---detests Heathrow
  • [21:09:04] <Redb3ard> Yeh... top says I have 180megs of ram free.
  • [21:09:07] <koen> I like luton airport
  • [21:09:14] <Redb3ard> I think it's safe that I won't even need swap.
  • [21:09:23] <koen> but only because I'm there every other month
  • [21:09:25] <Redb3ard> I need to read up more on wear-leveling...
  • [21:09:50] <Redb3ard> But if this thing has 100,000 writes as the mtbf, I can't imagine needing to worry about that either.
  • [21:10:26] <koen> new chips are more like 10k
  • [21:11:11] <Redb3ard> Does ext2 keep using the same inodes, rather than just grabbing them randomly?
  • [21:11:21] <ds2> koen: SLC/MLC?
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  • [21:11:48] <koen> mlc
  • [21:12:08] <koen> Redb3ard: ext2 is written for rotational media
  • [21:12:09] <ds2> that's what I mean... SLC vs MLC life time
  • [21:12:28] <Redb3ard> I'm aware that it is.
  • [21:12:57] <Redb3ard> But unless it's doing something really pathological, where it will preferentially select some inode for writing, rather than grabbing one randomly...
  • [21:13:35] <Redb3ard> I'm trying to think of which files keep getting written to in linux, that you'd pound to hard on particular ones, and I'm sort of coming up blank.
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  • [21:14:26] <koen> most sd cards to internal wear leveling
  • [21:14:30] <prpplague> Redb3ard: just mount your rootfs as RO and see who complains
  • [21:14:33] <koen> all the sandisk cards I have to
  • [21:14:37] <koen> s/to/do/
  • [21:14:58] <Redb3ard> I've never checked.
  • [21:15:00] <arg_> hello, i am new ti this stuff but i have one question. why can not connect to BB through Spectrum Dig xds100v2 and ccs4
  • [21:15:10] <Redb3ard> But if they even do half-ass wear-leveling... then that works for me.
  • [21:15:21] <arg_> i have tried it many times but all failed
  • [21:15:38] <arg_> is it possible?
  • [21:15:53] <koen> it is possible that it fails, yes
  • [21:16:22] <arg_> yes, pity
  • [21:16:23] <Redb3ard> But then who was phone?
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  • [21:17:07] <arg_> need very expensive jtag stuff
  • [21:17:18] <arg_> hmmm..
  • [21:17:24] <prpplague> koen: you gonna have to give me the heads up on some good places to visit while i'm there
  • [21:18:33] <Redb3ard> Looks like my sd cards do some sort of wear-leveling as well.
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  • [21:20:54] <Crofton> prpplague, Bletchley park
  • [21:22:45] <prpplague> Crofton: oh i didn't realize it was nearby
  • [21:22:58] <prpplague> Crofton: they have tours and such?
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  • [21:26:26] <Crofton> there is a museum
  • [21:26:37] <Crofton> I assume you are talking about Northhampton?
  • [21:27:14] <Crofton> http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/
  • [21:27:28] <prpplague> Crofton: not sure, my knowledge of UK geography is somewhat lacking
  • [21:28:27] <prpplague> Crofton: oh lovely - http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/shop/view_product.rhtm/130864/238531/detail.html
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  • [21:28:52] <Crofton> cool
  • [21:29:03] <Crofton> They kind of let the place fall apart after the war ended
  • [21:29:14] <Crofton> it was a big secret for many years
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  • [22:10:29] <ebond> Hey everyone :) I'm wondering if it's possible to run Centrafuse or something similar on Beagle
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  • [22:15:34] <buZz> ebond: does it come with source?
  • [22:16:15] <ebond> I don't think so. It runs on WinXP, so really the question is can BB run WinXP (stupid question I'm sure :P )
  • [22:16:31] <ebond> Or should I just find an actual CarPC
  • [22:16:43] <buZz> hehe, BB can run winXP fine, as soon as microsoft ports it to arm
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  • [22:17:12] <ds2> BB should be able to run WinXP
  • [22:17:17] <buZz> there are alternatives though, check out xmbc, that has a linux version since always
  • [22:17:21] <ds2> donno how much patience you have though ;)
  • [22:17:37] <buZz> heh, in qemu? :)
  • [22:17:45] <ds2> that or bochs
  • [22:17:52] <ebond> Well really it's just kind of a fun project, if I get the car I want I want to put in a carPC with navigation, media, comm., etc
  • [22:18:34] <buZz> navigation with open software is quite iffy, although there have been big improvements lately
  • [22:19:39] <ebond> So maybe just go for a purpose-built CarPC with WinXP and put Centrafuse on it?
  • [22:19:48] <ebond> I love the Centrafuse UI
  • [22:19:58] <buZz> if you really want that one application, then go for it
  • [22:20:19] <buZz> if you want software you can change and help improve, go for the blue pill
  • [22:20:31] <ebond> Hmm
  • [22:21:03] <ebond> I'd really love to contribute to a project as a designer, like Beagle Traveler (exactly what I want) but it seems like a lot of those projects have died.
  • [22:21:58] <buZz> try emailing the authors ;)
  • [22:22:36] <buZz> usually projects like that end up dead, try looking for none-hardwarespecific software ;)
  • [22:22:49] <ebond> Ah alright haha
  • [22:23:17] <ebond> Sorry I'm new to this whole software/hardware modding thing. My first project was a theme for the Motorola Droid a few months ago haha.
  • [22:24:00] <buZz> its not modding when it's designed to be open ;)
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  • [22:24:16] <ebond> Ah indeed, that's true lol
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  • [22:24:58] <buZz> :D
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  • [22:26:19] <ebond> So what are some of the BeagleBoard projects that are more directed towards consumers? (the end result, not necessarily the build itself though)
  • [22:27:12] <buZz> i wonder what a consumer is :D
  • [22:27:35] <buZz> if you mean 'non coders' : maybe try http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM :P
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  • [22:28:10] <ds2> navigation with closed source software is also iffy
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  • [22:28:39] <buZz> hehe, clearly
  • [22:28:43] <ebond> Well I mean end-result stuff. For instance, are there large projects to build tablets, phones, security systems, carPCs, etc on BB?
  • [22:28:57] <ebond> I love the nav on my Droid :) The Google Nav
  • [22:29:17] <buZz> http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-ESK/Beagle+Embedded+Starter+Kit
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  • [22:30:25] <buZz> and check http://elinux.org/ , its a huge gathering of knowledge
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  • [22:31:13] <ebond> Nice
  • [22:31:18] <ebond> That looks cool :) Thanks!
  • [22:31:44] <ebond> Well I may be around here occasionally, so I'll see you round, thanks for the help!
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