• [00:00:13] <mru> edma accesses L3 through the mmu, iva internal mem directly
  • [00:00:35] <torusle> mru: the MMU2. It manages DSP, EDMA3 and afaik the camera.
  • [00:00:46] <mru> isp has its own mmu
  • [00:01:00] <mru> the iva and isp MMUs are identical
  • [00:01:03] <mru> but separate
  • [00:01:14] <ds2> so many different points of views
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  • [00:01:34] <torusle> One thing is for sure: We'll never run out of DMA channels :-)
  • [00:01:59] <ds2> are they prioritized so if the same aliased area of memory is accessed, there are well defined results?
  • [00:02:24] <torusle> ds2: I don't think so.
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  • [00:03:38] <mru> you may have many channels, but each dma has a limited number of read/write ports
  • [00:04:29] <torusle> true...
  • [00:04:50] <ds2> ports?
  • [00:04:56] <mru> sdma has one read port and one write port
  • [00:05:05] <mru> section 9.4 in the trm
  • [00:05:23] <torusle> afaik the EDMA3 has two ports. One for each queue.
  • [00:06:05] <torusle> hm. on the DaVinci it was possible to raise the DMA clock.. I wonder if that works on the OMAP3 as well...
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  • [00:14:13] <janneg_> is there a non-destructive way to test if given omap3 hardware (Motorola Milestone) has activated security extensions?
  • [00:15:56] <mru> attemp to use them
  • [00:15:59] <mru> +t
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  • [00:50:57] <crashovrd> i have been trying to track down the zd1211 wifi issue i am having with beagle
  • [00:51:04] <crashovrd> and not having much luck
  • [00:51:31] <crashovrd> the adaptor works fine with my Fedora 12 linux
  • [00:51:49] <crashovrd> so i grabbed the source and did a diff
  • [00:52:10] <crashovrd> but there are no changes in the firmware loader
  • [00:52:18] <crashovrd> so i thought it may be a timing issue
  • [00:52:38] <crashovrd> and i increased timeouts. but that also has no effect
  • [00:53:05] <crashovrd> so i tried using the Fedora 12 firmware, that also had no effect
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  • [00:54:25] <crashovrd> so if anyone out there has a zd1211 based wifi adaptor working with beagle, i would be interested in knowing the usb vendor and product ID reported by lsusb
  • [00:55:18] <crashovrd> actually, tbh, i would like to know if *ANY* zd1211 products work on beagle
  • [00:57:20] <crashovrd> i am also working under the assumption that Beagle runs the ARM in Little Endian mode like an x86
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  • [01:12:14] <ds2> i have a zd1211 working fine with the beagle
  • [01:12:23] <ds2> don't haveit handy to read you the ids though
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  • [01:18:06] <crashovrd> ds2, do you know what kernel version or can you point me to the source your using?
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  • [01:24:35] <ds2> 2.6.29 off L-O
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  • [01:30:29] <crashovrd> what is L-O ?
  • [01:32:04] <prpplague> linux-omap i would suspect
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  • [02:00:32] <crashovrd> i have isolated the area its failing in
  • [02:00:51] <crashovrd> and it is conditional path that does not occur on all chips in the zd1211 series
  • [02:01:55] <crashovrd> so what i need to know is you are seeing something like the following in your kernel messages
  • [02:02:03] <ds2> are you sure you have all the flavors of the firmware?
  • [02:02:10] <crashovrd> usb 1-2: firmware: requesting zd1211/zd1211_ub usb 1-2: firmware version 0x4330 and device bootcode version 0x4802 differ
  • [02:02:35] <ds2> I do not recall seeing anything like that
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  • [02:37:38] <djlewis> good evening..
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  • [03:01:49] <crashovrd> i think i am ready to throw in the towel on this one
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  • [03:02:15] <crashovrd> what happens is that since there is a firmware version mismatch, it enters in special processing
  • [03:02:24] <crashovrd> where the file zd1211_ur is sent to the device
  • [03:02:35] <crashovrd> it then reads back a status code
  • [03:02:40] <crashovrd> which returns success
  • [03:02:43] <djlewis> crashovrd, but there are so many working wifi flavors
  • [03:03:14] <crashovrd> its at this point the device appears to be locked up
  • [03:03:21] <djlewis> I pulled a wifi ckt board out of a HP desktop and it works on my BB
  • [03:03:34] <djlewis> noy a zd12xx
  • [03:03:50] <djlewis> not
  • [03:04:00] <crashovrd> djlewis, my concern is that this is symptomatic of some larger problem
  • [03:04:17] <djlewis> thunderstorms and tornado warnings heading my way. :(
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  • [03:06:58] <crashovrd> iee80211_rx_irqsafe has changed between the fedora version and the kernel version i am using on beagle
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  • [03:07:17] <crashovrd> so i am thinking the problem may actually lie outside the driver
  • [03:08:06] * djlewis opens curtain to watch lightning roll in.
  • [03:08:43] <prpplague^2> djlewis d00d
  • [03:08:45] <djlewis> crashovrd, I wonder if that ties in somehow with the connman issue?
  • [03:08:53] <prpplague^2> djlewis that storm just trashed east texas
  • [03:09:03] <djlewis> prpplague, damage?
  • [03:09:11] <prpplague^2> djlewis my sister got an excellent picture of the tornado
  • [03:09:17] <djlewis> ouch
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  • [03:09:24] <prpplague^2> djlewis probably a EF2 or EF3
  • [03:10:08] <djlewis> not too bad then ;(
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  • [03:12:42] <prpplague> djlewis sorry i was trying to kick a ghost
  • [03:13:07] <djlewis> take no prisoners :)
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  • [03:16:02] <crashovrd> the fedora kernel version is 2.6.31 and the version i am using on beagle is 2.6.32
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  • [03:16:22] <djlewis> sometimes later ver is not better
  • [03:16:38] <crashovrd> maybe i should start grabbing other distros and finding out if there is a point where it used to work
  • [03:17:29] <crashovrd> working with SD cards is rather tedious
  • [03:17:34] <djlewis> 2.6.29 is still the last stable as I know it.
  • [03:17:45] <crashovrd> theres got to be a better way to boot
  • [03:18:08] <djlewis> sd is easier than reflashing nand
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  • [03:18:27] <crashovrd> my take is that SD is disposable, NAND isnt
  • [03:18:30] <crashovrd> :)
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  • [03:19:10] <djlewis> yep, I rahter chunka $8 4GB SD than the BB
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  • [03:21:58] <crashovrd> i sure will be glad when my beagle is fun
  • [03:22:26] <djlewis> hehee, sorry :(
  • [03:22:37] <crashovrd> it does make me wonder how pandora ships a product
  • [03:23:11] <djlewis> is that the one that is shippin after a loonngg wait?
  • [03:23:24] <crashovrd> i think its shipping
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  • [03:24:20] <djlewis> wow, flash+ BOOM! at same time.
  • [03:24:21] <crashovrd> to be blunt, the state of linux software i have seen on omap indicates to me its not ready for primetime
  • [03:24:56] <crashovrd> so if your going to ship, your shipping with something disabled or unused
  • [03:25:39] <crashovrd> either that or everyone is secretly hoarding thier patch sets
  • [03:25:41] <crashovrd> ;)
  • [03:25:51] * djlewis never considered it other than a dev world here in BB land.
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  • [03:32:09] <djlewis> back on laptop
  • [03:32:36] <djlewis> a thin storm wall passed, now we wait for the big one.
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  • [04:12:32] <ds2> OT... but anyone know the bitrate of an ATSC stream?
  • [04:14:55] <crashovrd> "Ultimately, transport packets are multiplexed into a constant 19.39Mb/s ATSC transport stream for over-the-air delivery of HDTV."
  • [04:15:54] <crashovrd> http://broadcastengineering.com/infrastructure/Atsc-transport-streams-20050516/
  • [04:16:43] <ds2> thanks... couldn't find a number
  • [04:16:57] <ds2> that's faster then DSL... sigh
  • [04:17:16] <crashovrd> thats why they dont make ATSC over DSL
  • [04:17:29] <ds2> trying to work around this blasted inferior and broken ATSC system
  • [04:17:44] <ds2> I know... trying to think of a way to setup a remote repeater
  • [04:18:05] <crashovrd> fiber or bonded channels
  • [04:18:13] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: mpeg resampler
  • [04:18:43] <crashovrd> or... just broadcast it over the air like it was intended
  • [04:18:53] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: the real question is how much power it requires to do that on a BB
  • [04:19:01] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: hahah
  • [04:19:07] <ds2> crashovrd: the FCC won't take too kindly to that
  • [04:19:18] <crashovrd> the FCC license was implied
  • [04:19:32] <crashovrd> also the media rights too
  • [04:19:41] <GrizzlyAdams> i don't think you have the bandwidth available on bb to push the atsc through once via usb, much less twice
  • [04:19:53] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: the ATSC crap is messed up enough that I am thinking of sticking a small box with a solar panel to relay the TV stations over a reliable medium
  • [04:20:02] <GrizzlyAdams> heh
  • [04:20:27] <ds2> Koen got it to work with DVB-T and I don't think thaat is that much more demanding
  • [04:20:56] <ds2> for this I don't have to use USB... there are other interfaces
  • [04:21:45] <GrizzlyAdams> O_o
  • [04:21:53] <crashovrd> isnt usb2 450Mb/s ?
  • [04:22:06] <ds2> 480Mb/s on paper
  • [04:22:16] <ds2> good luck getting that in practice ;)
  • [04:22:17] <GrizzlyAdams> bb has about 15MB/s limit currently
  • [04:22:21] <crashovrd> 20 * 2 = 40Mb/s in and out
  • [04:22:39] <GrizzlyAdams> i've not been able to get any better than 14MB/s myself
  • [04:22:45] <crashovrd> MB or Mb ?
  • [04:22:50] <GrizzlyAdams> big B
  • [04:22:54] <crashovrd> byte
  • [04:22:56] <GrizzlyAdams> yes
  • [04:23:19] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: which port?
  • [04:23:20] <crashovrd> 40Mb = 8MB/s
  • [04:23:23] <crashovrd> right?
  • [04:23:25] <GrizzlyAdams> try playing a mp3 from usb to bluetooth speakers, you'll quickly see my problem
  • [04:23:31] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: ehci
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  • [04:23:55] <crashovrd> or rather 5MB/s?
  • [04:24:03] <crashovrd> i cant do math atm, so someone check it
  • [04:24:17] <ds2> I know I had bluetooth speakers, A2DP, working on the OMAPs
  • [04:24:50] <GrizzlyAdams> i can get it playing great if i cache the mp3 in ram first
  • [04:24:58] <crashovrd> copy a large file from USB to /dev/null and see how fast it goes
  • [04:25:07] <sakoman> crashovrd: yeah, 40/8 = 5 :-)
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  • [04:26:58] <ds2> OTH, I was doing it with the OTG port
  • [04:27:20] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah, i might get better luck with my dongle on the otg port
  • [04:28:08] <ds2> what we need is legislation to force RTP streaming
  • [04:28:21] <ds2> truely free up some bandwidth that way
  • [04:28:42] <GrizzlyAdams> if i only knew where my OTG dongle was :/
  • [04:29:09] <ds2> probally going somewhere ;)
  • [04:30:24] <GrizzlyAdams> have to see if this works :P
  • [04:31:06] <GrizzlyAdams> nevermind the trouble i went through trying to get it to work in the first place
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  • [04:40:09] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: thx for your awesome suggestion :D
  • [04:40:50] <GrizzlyAdams> now playing 160kbit mp3 with no chop
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  • [04:42:59] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: =)
  • [04:43:58] <GrizzlyAdams> i think i'm gonna put all storage on ehci, and all the wireless on otg
  • [04:44:20] <GrizzlyAdams> now i just need to get a kickass visualizer that doesn't suck on bb
  • [04:44:46] <ds2> write one and decode the audio on the DSP
  • [04:44:51] <GrizzlyAdams> goom soaks up 95% cpu just to give me 1/10 fps
  • [04:46:11] <ds2> is that doing the mp3 decode on the CPU?
  • [04:46:37] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm probably gonna just do a fft since that runs decently, and hack together a little spectrum with some wide bands
  • [04:46:47] <GrizzlyAdams> quite likely
  • [04:47:10] <ds2> sounds like at the least an opportunity to learn about NEON
  • [04:47:26] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah, i just have to find the time
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  • [04:52:33] <GrizzlyAdams> i gotta order this carnetix powersupply next to power everything
  • [04:52:45] <ds2> what's special about it?
  • [04:53:16] <GrizzlyAdams> it outputs regulated 12v and 5v, and can sustain a engine crank
  • [04:53:28] <ds2> oh
  • [04:53:37] <GrizzlyAdams> 7.5v dc to 18vdc
  • [04:53:44] <ds2> buck/boost on 12V?
  • [04:53:58] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah
  • [04:54:10] <ds2> how many amps?
  • [04:54:15] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm putting a bb in my car, with tons of stuff
  • [04:54:24] <GrizzlyAdams> 6.3A on the 12V side, 3A on 5V
  • [04:54:36] <ds2> nice
  • [04:54:39] <ds2> how much is it?
  • [04:54:52] <GrizzlyAdams> $95
  • [04:54:54] <GrizzlyAdams> usd
  • [04:55:57] <ds2> not bad.. been looking for something like thing to power the eeePC in the vehicle but that's waning as the eeePC seems to be on its last legs
  • [04:56:05] <GrizzlyAdams> :O dave letterman just bought $1040 of girlscout cookies
  • [04:56:43] <ds2> did he get it delivered on his show?
  • [04:56:46] <GrizzlyAdams> nah
  • [04:57:14] <GrizzlyAdams> random audience member was asked something and she said she was a girlscout troup leader trying to sell cookies
  • [04:57:39] <GrizzlyAdams> he bought 20 boxes from each of her 13 kids, $4 a box
  • [04:58:08] <ds> "are they made from real girl scouts?"
  • [04:58:16] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: http://www.carnetix.com/CNX_1290.htm thats the PSU i'm gonna buy
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  • [04:59:08] <ds2> open frame in a car???
  • [04:59:21] <GrizzlyAdams> nah, the box is shown open for display purpose
  • [04:59:50] <GrizzlyAdams> the part on the left with the fan is the top cover
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  • [05:00:27] <ds2> ah yes, I see it
  • [05:00:36] <ds2> that's about the volume of 3 BB's ;)
  • [05:00:52] <GrizzlyAdams> i've got a uC thats gonna do the car radio interface, obd II interface, power control
  • [05:01:09] <GrizzlyAdams> (propeller chip in case you wonder)
  • [05:01:37] <ds2> which OBD II?
  • [05:01:43] <ds2> elmscan based?
  • [05:01:50] <GrizzlyAdams> since it doesn't rely on interrupts all the tasks can execute independently and schedule interaction with the bb
  • [05:02:21] <GrizzlyAdams> lol, nah, i am implementing the OBD II busses in the prop.
  • [05:02:46] <ds2> which of the 4 flavors are you attempting?
  • [05:02:51] <GrizzlyAdams> they are all low speed busses and just need voltage conversion
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  • [05:03:27] <ds2> seems easier to drop in an elmscan and do the other work on the BB
  • [05:03:34] <GrizzlyAdams> J1850 VPW single wire
  • [05:03:42] <ds2> or use a BT-OBD II
  • [05:03:50] <ds2> GM, right?
  • [05:03:54] <GrizzlyAdams> might consider one of those options
  • [05:03:56] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah
  • [05:04:01] <GrizzlyAdams> 98 cavi
  • [05:04:12] <GrizzlyAdams> its got really dumb obdII
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  • [05:04:48] <ds2> timing I think is the only tricky part with that, IIRC
  • [05:05:41] <ds2> what are you using to do the higher level processing?
  • [05:05:48] <GrizzlyAdams> iirc its well within the prop's capabilities
  • [05:06:02] <GrizzlyAdams> nothing really yet.
  • [05:06:17] <ds2> will it be BB based at least?
  • [05:06:24] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah
  • [05:07:00] <GrizzlyAdams> the prop will just decode the bus, stream it over to the bb via rs232
  • [05:07:45] <ds2> what about mounting it all? how are you planning that?
  • [05:08:13] <GrizzlyAdams> box next to the radio inside the glove box
  • [05:08:35] <GrizzlyAdams> (my glove box is 2/3 full right now with an aftermarket radio)
  • [05:08:42] <ds2> what about the screen?
  • [05:08:55] <GrizzlyAdams> thats going in a double din panel in place of the factory radio
  • [05:09:32] <ds2> Nice
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  • [05:09:42] <GrizzlyAdams> with slot-load dvd hidden away behind it.
  • [05:09:48] <ds2> post pictures when you get it physically mounted!
  • [05:09:52] <GrizzlyAdams> i plan to
  • [05:10:07] <GrizzlyAdams> big part of the entire project is stealth
  • [05:10:24] <GrizzlyAdams> when its done it will look like i have no radio
  • [05:10:26] <ds2> I been thinking of doing something like that but in a 1 DIN case and a slide out screen
  • [05:10:38] <ds2> Oh so the 2DIN panel is removeable/foldable?
  • [05:12:06] <GrizzlyAdams> the screen slides away into the top pocket and covers the slot-load drive with a small bezel plate
  • [05:12:40] <ds2> how is it secured while vehicle is moving?
  • [05:13:18] <GrizzlyAdams> velcro for right now
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  • [05:14:20] <ds2> that's a TS, right?
  • [05:14:24] <nilly> hi Does file system size effect the boot up time?
  • [05:14:28] <GrizzlyAdams> ts?
  • [05:14:34] <GrizzlyAdams> oh yeah
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  • [05:16:52] <GrizzlyAdams> the cheapo screen is temp also, its a crappy 320x224 ntsc composite deal that was meant for use with a gamecube
  • [05:16:53] <ds2> touch screen
  • [05:17:01] <GrizzlyAdams> oh no, not touch screen
  • [05:17:09] <GrizzlyAdams> i thought ts = temp solution
  • [05:17:12] <ds2> how do you interact with it?
  • [05:17:19] <GrizzlyAdams> getting a powermate
  • [05:17:27] <GrizzlyAdams> but mouse right now while its on my desk
  • [05:17:46] <ds2> so you set up is going to be very desktopish?
  • [05:17:54] <GrizzlyAdams> not when its done
  • [05:18:32] <GrizzlyAdams> the powermate is a encoder wheel + button
  • [05:19:33] <ds2> what is the perm display if the gamecube thing is temp?
  • [05:19:56] <GrizzlyAdams> i plan to get a liliput or similar touchscreen with dvi
  • [05:20:09] <GrizzlyAdams> but they are crazy expensive right now, around $700
  • [05:20:35] <GrizzlyAdams> i could actually make a 17" touchscreen with dvi cheaper
  • [05:20:52] <ds2> you can build a LCD interface cheaper then the liliputs
  • [05:20:58] <GrizzlyAdams> but it would be crazy huge
  • [05:21:05] <ds2> no
  • [05:21:07] <ds2> 7" TSC
  • [05:21:14] <ds2> 7" w/TSC
  • [05:21:15] <GrizzlyAdams> i mean the 17"
  • [05:21:33] <GrizzlyAdams> i know i can build my own module cheaper than the liliput
  • [05:21:39] <ds2> 17" screen in your vehicle might raise a few eyebrows by your state troopers
  • [05:21:43] <GrizzlyAdams> heh
  • [05:22:01] <ds2> I really should finish the 7" design
  • [05:22:01] <GrizzlyAdams> i've seen folks with two 7" in their dashboard, and a 19" center console
  • [05:22:16] <ds2> oooh a MFD
  • [05:22:42] <ds2> are the 7"s running a movie while the car is on the freeway? :D
  • [05:22:49] <GrizzlyAdams> they had "police mode" that locked out all the controls, hid everything, leaving just speedo and tach on the dash
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  • [05:24:24] <GrizzlyAdams> under normal use they had controls for the radio, all the lights (including illegal cutoffs), added gauges, gps, etc
  • [05:25:12] <GrizzlyAdams> gah, work in the morning :(
  • [05:25:26] <GrizzlyAdams> night everyone
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  • [07:05:29] <av500> gm
  • [07:05:32] <gaurang> Does Xulrunner support on bb?
  • [07:06:34] <javaJake> gaurang: yes, at least in Gentoo
  • [07:06:58] <CruNcher> gm av500 :)
  • [07:07:38] <gaurang> javajake:what about angstrom?
  • [07:08:41] <javaJake> gaurang: I don't use it, but it's worth it to tias
  • [07:08:56] <javaJake> Likely it works
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  • [07:36:02] <mobidev> hi to all
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  • [07:56:16] <srv> has anyone tested libertas on 2629
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  • [09:15:54] <gaurang> koen:i have used console image build by online builder from angstrom website
  • [09:17:39] <gaurang> koen:when i run OGLES demos using PVRShell on beagle board,my beagle board hang.
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  • [09:19:11] <gaurang> koen:why beagle board hang?
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  • [09:41:49] <XorA> morning
  • [09:49:47] <av500> has broken
  • [09:50:41] <XorA> not yet it hasnt
  • [09:50:49] <XorA> my gaffa taoe patch holds
  • [09:59:22] <gaurang> koen:i have used console image build by online builder from angstrom website
  • [09:59:38] <gaurang> koen:when i run OGLES demos using PVRShell on beagle board,my beagle board hang.
  • [09:59:59] <gaurang> koen:what can I do?
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  • [10:07:57] <adj> determine the cause of the hang and fix it
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  • [10:19:23] <gaurang> how to install xulrunner on beagleboard
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  • [10:36:25] <adj> download sources, compile and run?
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  • [10:36:52] <XorA> morning _koen_
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  • [12:07:23] <leslie_> Hi, i have a usb-to-ethernet converter, what options should i add in kernel configure to enable it?
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  • [12:23:06] <FJ_Sanchez> Hello
  • [12:23:21] <FJ_Sanchez> Can someone help me understanding USB OTG working?
  • [12:23:30] <FJ_Sanchez> I cannot connect anything to this port on my board
  • [12:23:48] <FJ_Sanchez> It doesn't recognise whatever I connect to it
  • [12:24:33] <buZz> seen the ID pin discussion?
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  • [12:24:44] <FJ_Sanchez> I've tryedwith booth
  • [12:24:51] <FJ_Sanchez> I've a mini AB cable
  • [12:24:54] <buZz> see http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#OTG
  • [12:25:10] <FJ_Sanchez> When I plugin the cable pin 5 get grounded
  • [12:25:31] <FJ_Sanchez> I've tested the continuity in jumper J6
  • [12:25:50] <buZz> so pin 4 and pin 5 are shorted on your connector?
  • [12:26:09] <FJ_Sanchez> I've the proper cable to do this
  • [12:26:18] <FJ_Sanchez> Also
  • [12:26:30] <buZz> ah yeah J6, just read it
  • [12:26:38] <buZz> then i have no clue, sorry
  • [12:26:55] <FJ_Sanchez> When I plug an USB hub in the 2.0 HSUSB i get dmesg info
  • [12:27:08] <buZz> yeah same here
  • [12:27:12] <buZz> but nothing on the OTG pin
  • [12:27:15] <buZz> (on my IGEP)
  • [12:27:16] <FJ_Sanchez> But when I try to connect anything to the hub or simply lsusb it gets disconnected
  • [12:27:25] <FJ_Sanchez> are you from Spain?
  • [12:27:31] <buZz> netherlands
  • [12:27:34] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok
  • [12:27:41] <FJ_Sanchez> I know IGEP is a spanish platform
  • [12:28:00] <FJ_Sanchez> So your USB also fails in the HS port?
  • [12:28:08] <buZz> oh no
  • [12:28:26] <buZz> i have a usb flashdrive connected to it, and use it for loopback filesystems
  • [12:28:27] <FJ_Sanchez> the OTG porT?
  • [12:28:33] <buZz> just the OTG port
  • [12:28:38] <buZz> nothing is seen on it, it seems
  • [12:28:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmm
  • [12:28:47] <buZz> but my OTG adapter cable might not connect these pins
  • [12:28:52] <buZz> still have to investigate that
  • [12:29:01] <FJ_Sanchez> Do you have a tester at hand?
  • [12:29:06] <FJ_Sanchez> It's very easy to test it
  • [12:29:16] <buZz> yeah i do, lets see
  • [12:29:20] <FJ_Sanchez> Just check continuity on JP6
  • [12:29:58] <buZz> i have no JP6 :P
  • [12:30:09] <FJ_Sanchez> Upps, sure
  • [12:30:11] <FJ_Sanchez> it's a IGEP
  • [12:30:28] <FJ_Sanchez> You can try just at the back of the connector
  • [12:30:37] <FJ_Sanchez> maybe you can access the 5 pins
  • [12:31:14] <buZz> ah
  • [12:31:18] <buZz> seems they are shorted
  • [12:32:17] <FJ_Sanchez> How many buses do you get when lsusb?
  • [12:32:44] <buZz> 2
  • [12:33:39] <FJ_Sanchez> I just get one...
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  • [12:36:33] <buZz> there is some OTG configuration options in the kernel btw
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  • [12:42:12] <kzrana> hi there
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  • [12:42:31] <kzrana> I need some help regarding beagle USB OTG configuration as a host
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  • [12:43:39] <kzrana> is there any linux port available for beagle USB OTG configuration as a host?
  • [12:44:09] <kzrana> anyone?
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  • [12:46:22] <buZz> kzrana: i saw some configuration stuff on it in the kernel
  • [12:48:04] <_av500_> kzrana: config the kernel for host only
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  • [12:53:56] <kzrana> is there any guide available on how to configure kernel to host only mode
  • [12:53:57] <kzrana> ?
  • [12:54:22] <kzrana> basically I am a newbie and haven't got experience of Linux
  • [12:54:31] <kzrana> kernel
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  • [14:04:48] <crashovrd> i am in too if we can throw X11 in there
  • [14:05:11] <av500> sure
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  • [14:05:32] <av500> :)
  • [14:07:00] <mru> x11 is good
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  • [15:01:15] <wandern> Morning, Beaglers
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  • [15:04:37] <hrw> morning
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  • [15:21:55] <javaJake> Morning :)
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  • [16:25:50] <mru> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/21/arm_vs_intel_mids/
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  • [16:29:25] <crashovrd> i think a port of Moblin to arm would be cool
  • [16:30:08] <crashovrd> well, more specifically to beagle
  • [16:30:27] <XorA> crashovrd: you mean like OE does :-D
  • [16:30:40] <crashovrd> i thought they just ported the connection manager
  • [16:30:46] <crashovrd> they brought the UI too?
  • [16:30:55] <XorA> I think most of Moblin is in there
  • [16:31:06] <XorA> it certainly was in the past
  • [16:31:25] <crashovrd> it needs to be in the drop down "X11, Xfce, Moblin"
  • [16:31:56] <XorA> crashovrd: someone just needs to complete the image
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  • [16:32:04] <XorA> crashovrd: and upgrade anything that is still missing
  • [16:32:11] <XorA> remeber moblin started from OE
  • [16:32:21] <XorA> OE->poky->moblin
  • [16:32:29] <crashovrd> i did not know that. i know it was Intels pet project for a time
  • [16:32:48] <XorA> Intel bought openhand to get their expertise :-D
  • [16:34:07] <crashovrd> its very reminiscent of the 80's when everyone made a home computer and none of them worked with stuff for the other one
  • [16:35:04] <crashovrd> i think what i like most about embedded is that we get to start over on something
  • [16:35:25] <crashovrd> OpenGL ES cut out a lot of obsolete stuff that desktop GL will never
  • [16:35:55] <crashovrd> they deprecated stuff in deskto gl 3.x, but nvidia stated they will never remove it
  • [16:36:51] <crashovrd> and i like all the framebuffer stuff that is working outside X11
  • [16:36:58] <crashovrd> not fond of X11 at all
  • [16:40:39] <MacGrumpy> years back, matrox card + directfbX was very very nice
  • [16:40:42] <MacGrumpy> to run
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  • [17:18:09] <wandern> Mwahahahaha!
  • [17:18:13] <wandern> Victory is mine!
  • [17:18:17] <wandern> Digikey has delivered!
  • [17:19:20] <rehsifttam> wandern, anything exciting?
  • [17:19:37] <wandern> Beagleboards!
  • [17:19:55] <wandern> What else would I want that's been backordered for months ;)
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  • [17:20:25] <rehsifttam> heh
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  • [17:28:55] <ant_work> an OpenPandora?
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  • [17:50:51] <Zoxc> you mean a Pandora?
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  • [18:40:50] <ds2> Morning
  • [18:40:53] <FJ_Sanchez> Hi
  • [18:40:57] <FJ_Sanchez> Afternoon
  • [18:40:59] <mru> morning ds2
  • [18:41:48] <FJ_Sanchez> I'm trying to get my own angstrom image working, but I'm quite lsot
  • [18:41:51] <FJ_Sanchez> lost
  • [18:42:12] <FJ_Sanchez> I've bitbaked base-image
  • [18:42:17] <FJ_Sanchez> And now?
  • [18:42:46] <ds2> let the bits soak in the juices for an appropriate amount of time, then slice and serve.
  • [18:43:24] <FJ_Sanchez> No man, seriously
  • [18:43:34] <FJ_Sanchez> Also bitbaked console-image
  • [18:43:53] <FJ_Sanchez> And I've some files in the angstron-dev directory
  • [18:44:09] <FJ_Sanchez> I think those are the images
  • [18:45:20] <FJ_Sanchez> I have no idea how to compile a custom kernel using this...
  • [18:45:41] <FJ_Sanchez> And doing it on the beagleboard could be a very long task...
  • [18:46:11] <crashovrd> why then, out of curiosity, are you compiling a distribution?
  • [18:46:34] <FJ_Sanchez> I want to make a custom system
  • [18:46:39] <FJ_Sanchez> Just want to learn
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  • [18:47:01] * ds2 defers to koen ;)
  • [18:47:07] <javaJake> FJ_Sanchez: Gentoo is perfect for that
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  • [18:47:16] <FJ_Sanchez> I've used gentoo too long
  • [18:47:20] <FJ_Sanchez> ??And it's different
  • [18:47:21] <MacGrumpy> ugh gentoy
  • [18:47:28] <javaJake> Heheh
  • [18:47:31] <javaJake> OK :)
  • [18:47:33] <mru> gentoo is nice
  • [18:47:36] <ds2> there is a gentoo/Beagle port
  • [18:47:49] <MacGrumpy> gentoy is a waste of time and energy
  • [18:48:00] <mru> not if you have an i7 to build it on
  • [18:48:00] <FJ_Sanchez> I know, but I already can use gentoo, I want to test something different
  • [18:48:00] <crashovrd> i would suggest starting with linux lab for beagle
  • [18:48:02] <javaJake> MacGrumpy: please leave the distro wars at the door.
  • [18:48:04] <ds2> better then the other cruft
  • [18:48:07] <crashovrd> to learn how to cross compile first
  • [18:48:11] <FJ_Sanchez> That's why I want to use OE
  • [18:48:14] <crashovrd> then learn how to cross compile the kernel
  • [18:48:17] <MacGrumpy> javaJake: sorry, koen is not around, so I am taking over ds2 job
  • [18:48:23] <crashovrd> then move on to busybox and a small system
  • [18:48:38] <crashovrd> then you have an understanding of what is involved and can move on to OE
  • [18:48:53] <crashovrd> i can never recall that link
  • [18:49:00] <crashovrd> they should sticky it on the beagle site
  • [18:49:11] <FJ_Sanchez> crashovrd: I've fully cross-compiled the angstrom distribution
  • [18:49:30] <FJ_Sanchez> What I want is to know how can I do things different from executing the recipes
  • [18:49:33] <javaJake> There's always http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
  • [18:49:40] <FJ_Sanchez> I hate LFS
  • [18:49:55] <ds2> the kernel is one of the absolute easiest things to cross compile
  • [18:50:00] <FJ_Sanchez> It's like reinventing the wheel
  • [18:50:06] <crashovrd> What is it you are expecting to do different than the executing scripts?
  • [18:50:20] <ds2> if you can't figure that one out, you are in for a world of hurt trying to cross compile stuff with libtools, configure, et al
  • [18:50:42] <crashovrd> its funny because i am at the opposite extreme. I want nothing to do with kernel compiling or distro building
  • [18:50:55] <FJ_Sanchez> I can do it my own way, but I want to know if there is any OE way
  • [18:51:03] <mru> crashovrd: then grab a ready-made angstrom image
  • [18:51:23] <crashovrd> mru, to date there are no angstrom images that work for me
  • [18:51:30] <crashovrd> i need the TV out working
  • [18:51:38] <ds2> kernel xcompiler is not much different from a native compile
  • [18:52:04] <_av500_> crashovrd: get your patches merged ;)
  • [18:52:19] <mru> kernel is easy since it's completely self-contained
  • [18:52:26] <mru> no pesky libs to deal with
  • [18:52:27] <FJ_Sanchez> I've a git repository in my OE enviroment
  • [18:52:48] <FJ_Sanchez> So, do I have to enter in the kernel source and do it normal way? make menuconfig?
  • [18:52:49] <crashovrd> _av500_, i was under the impression that the kernel that narcissus builds in is old
  • [18:53:03] <crashovrd> so it would not matter what patches were available unless i was building it myself
  • [18:53:09] <ds2> to xcompile a kernel, you just pass it 2 more params (or environs)
  • [18:53:34] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok, but this is not what I want
  • [18:53:59] <_av500_> crashovrd: in your case, I would check out oe, let it build and then patch the kernel and rebuild it
  • [18:54:01] <FJ_Sanchez> What I want is this kernel in the bitbake generated images
  • [18:54:17] <FJ_Sanchez> This is what I don't know how to do
  • [18:54:18] <crashovrd> :)
  • [18:54:26] <crashovrd> which puts me back at "<crashovrd> its funny because i am at the opposite extreme. I want nothing to do with kernel compiling or distro building"
  • [18:54:45] <_av500_> crashovrd: maybe you dont *want* that , but now you need to
  • [18:55:04] <ds2> what you want is irrelevant. what you need is relevant. ;)
  • [18:55:05] <_av500_> you dont have to build a distro, you just need to type make
  • [18:55:10] <crashovrd> well, i said it before and i will say it again
  • [18:55:36] <crashovrd> it would be nice if there was a weekly, monthly or other recent auto build of Angstrom
  • [18:55:49] <crashovrd> that one could just grab and dump on a SD card
  • [18:55:55] <_av500_> crashovrd: sure, join the oe effort and make it happen :)
  • [18:56:05] <ds2> crashovrd: the narcasis (sp) thing is close
  • [18:56:09] <crashovrd> narcissus has no way to indicate what has changed if anything since you last built it
  • [18:56:22] <crashovrd> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt
  • [18:56:33] <crashovrd> just depends on if you get it on a good day
  • [18:56:49] <_av500_> crashovrd: again, checkout a stable oe release, patch the kernel and e happy
  • [18:56:59] <_av500_> submit the patch and enjoy it forever after
  • [18:57:02] <crashovrd> dont require monthly 'stable' , but montly unstable would be nice
  • [18:57:26] <ds2> or just go through the process of getting into the main kernel
  • [18:57:50] <ds2> post to the appr list, don on an absbestos suit and wade thru it
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  • [18:57:53] <FJ_Sanchez> So, how can I change kernel options in openembedded for angstrom? I want that the generated images contains my custom kernel...
  • [18:58:36] <_av500_> FJ_Sanchez: are you and crashovrd the same person? :)
  • [18:58:43] <FJ_Sanchez> ??
  • [18:58:45] <crashovrd> nope!
  • [18:58:48] <FJ_Sanchez> Sure not
  • [18:58:54] <crashovrd> i already said i dont want to compile a kernel
  • [18:58:55] <crashovrd> :P
  • [18:58:59] <FJ_Sanchez> And I want
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  • [18:59:09] <_av500_> ah, you are a split personality
  • [18:59:10] <ds2> maybe 2 halfs of the same person ;)
  • [18:59:15] <crashovrd> i dont find pain emjoyable and generally do what ever is possible to avoid it
  • [18:59:19] <FJ_Sanchez> WTF?
  • [19:00:10] <crashovrd> picture my vision! its a vision of the future! life in the 21st century: you buy a beagle, you download a SD image, insert the SD card and *EVERYTHING* works
  • [19:00:13] <crashovrd> ;)
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  • [19:00:34] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok, but I don't want it
  • [19:00:35] <_av500_> crashovrd: and then you wake up and have to go to school/work....
  • [19:00:40] <ds2> crashovrd: it is here. done. you can even buy a beagle w/a ready to go SD card and iamge on it
  • [19:01:07] <crashovrd> ds2, there are no images out there where everything works
  • [19:01:07] <FJ_Sanchez> I win a beagleboard, I want to learn and experiment... but I cannot progress on myproject because the lack of documentation...
  • [19:01:07] <_av500_> ds2: not quite, he wants svideo
  • [19:01:12] <crashovrd> some work better than others
  • [19:01:18] <crashovrd> but they are all deficient in something
  • [19:01:29] <crashovrd> which is funny to me because beagle is fixed hardware unlike the PC
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  • [19:01:44] <ds2> _av500_: there are.
  • [19:01:52] <FJ_Sanchez> crashovrd: but it missed some drivers
  • [19:01:57] <FJ_Sanchez> And other are improving
  • [19:02:22] <ds2> crashovrd: everything is not possible but a reasonable subset, yes
  • [19:02:26] <crashovrd> i know! i am actively helping it to improve
  • [19:02:31] <FJ_Sanchez> And the video isn't the same in all the boards (I think)
  • [19:02:40] <ds2> _av500_: I generated those images for the guy so, yes, s-video works.
  • [19:02:45] <ds2> even for SGX
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  • [19:03:02] <FJ_Sanchez> Hi ppotera
  • [19:03:06] <FJ_Sanchez> Here again...
  • [19:03:27] <wandern> FJ_Sanchez: there are embedded linux labs at free-electrons
  • [19:03:47] <wandern> covers cross compiling, using crosstool-ng, busybox, and all that good stuff.
  • [19:04:14] <crashovrd> thats the one!
  • [19:04:16] <crashovrd> post that link
  • [19:04:33] <FJ_Sanchez> wandern: so that doesn't use openembeddeD?
  • [19:04:36] <wandern> training slides and lab materials are available
  • [19:04:38] <wandern> http://free-electrons.com/blog/beagle-labs/
  • [19:04:44] <crashovrd> someone should staple, glue or epoxy that link on the beagleboard stie
  • [19:04:47] <crashovrd> site
  • [19:04:48] <wandern> I believe they have a seperate course on open embedded
  • [19:05:02] <wandern> but the beagle-labs don't cover it... as OE has a steep learning curve
  • [19:05:31] <ds2> OE's learning curve is not that steep. just remember it is a big python kludge
  • [19:05:47] <ds2> some people write build systems out of sh scripts, OE just happens to be a python script
  • [19:05:50] <wandern> was steep enough for me... and figuring out how to fix a cludge
  • [19:05:56] <wandern> *kludge
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  • [19:08:53] <FJ_Sanchez> That link is very usesful, but not what I'm looking for just now
  • [19:09:29] <crashovrd> all you want is your own kernel on an OE distro?
  • [19:09:34] <crashovrd> thats simple
  • [19:10:38] <crashovrd> 1) get and install OE distro to SD card 2) compile your custom kernel as show in that link 3) copy contents to SD card overwriting uImage and putting kernel modules in /lib/modules/yourkernelversion
  • [19:10:39] <crashovrd> done!
  • [19:11:15] <FJ_Sanchez> I want bitbake generating all this stuff for me
  • [19:11:49] <crashovrd> and i want world peace and an end to global warming
  • [19:11:52] <crashovrd> but i take what i can get
  • [19:11:53] <crashovrd> ;)
  • [19:12:35] <crashovrd> i have never built OE, but it has to work like everything else out there
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  • [19:12:42] <crashovrd> somewhere in there is a kernel source tree
  • [19:12:46] <crashovrd> overwrite it
  • [19:12:46] <FJ_Sanchez> No, you want an image with video out
  • [19:12:50] <FJ_Sanchez> LoL
  • [19:15:30] <_av500_> FJ_Sanchez: get oe, let it build, have a look at the .bb file that does the kernel and modify it to use your kernel
  • [19:15:45] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok, thank you
  • [19:15:47] <_av500_> google for oe and "rm_work"
  • [19:15:54] <FJ_Sanchez> I've done taht
  • [19:15:54] <_av500_> in local.conf
  • [19:16:14] <FJ_Sanchez> I've done all this, just need to check the .bb file
  • [19:16:18] <_av500_> k
  • [19:16:33] <FJ_Sanchez> Thank you
  • [19:16:51] <crashovrd> has anyone played with the new C4 rev? is there any noticable improvement with the faster clock?
  • [19:16:51] <_av500_> now u just need to convince your other "half" :)
  • [19:16:57] <ds2> heh... no distro wars but aliasing this channel to oe support is acceptable ;) hehe
  • [19:17:09] <_av500_> crashovrd: yes, it waits for user input faster :)
  • [19:17:35] <_av500_> ds2: call it #beagloe
  • [19:17:35] <crashovrd> what about that SGX clocking hack? is that still required?
  • [19:17:44] <FJ_Sanchez> But one question, if I change the .bb file, will it get overwrited when updating with git?
  • [19:18:35] <wandern> FJ_Sanchez: if you modify a .bb file, it will complain at the next git pull; you'll have to merge it
  • [19:18:48] <FJ_Sanchez> Upps, sure
  • [19:18:51] <wandern> or... you create your own overlay directory... so your personal files are there first
  • [19:18:58] <wandern> which is what I've done
  • [19:19:01] <FJ_Sanchez> I think I should
  • [19:20:41] <FJ_Sanchez> wandern: when you say overlay... do you mean branch?
  • [19:21:04] <FJ_Sanchez> Overlay is very gentoo like :p
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  • [19:26:00] <Edgs> Hello Everyone ! Where can we buy Expansion card for Beagle board and 4.3inch LCD Touchscreen 480x272 ?
  • [19:27:58] <prpplague> Edgs: computing solutions has one available currently for $150 iirc
  • [19:28:11] <prpplague> Edgs: the ShowDog from TinCanTools is still in development
  • [19:28:50] <prpplague> Edgs: what kind of specs/features were you looking for?
  • [19:31:59] <ds2> wandern: just branch the GIT
  • [19:32:27] <wandern> FJ_Sanchez: in the OE docs, there's talk of creating an "overlay" directory
  • [19:32:41] <wandern> that has same directories as main OE one: conf, recipes, etc
  • [19:32:43] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok, I'm going to check
  • [19:32:51] <wandern> user.collections is default name, I think.
  • [19:32:58] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmm, but this is not the same
  • [19:33:02] <FJ_Sanchez> isn't it?
  • [19:33:13] <ds2> Edgs: Special computing has that currently... they are customizeable if you need multiple of them to suit your stuff
  • [19:33:19] <wandern> OE will always check your directory first, before checking the main OE directories
  • [19:33:29] <wandern> these are regular directories; not git branches
  • [19:33:43] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok
  • [19:33:51] <FJ_Sanchez> I'm going to get it a read
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  • [19:34:00] <wandern> yes, user.collection
  • [19:34:11] <prpplague> Edgs: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/BeagleLCD2.htm
  • [19:34:14] <wandern> you mimic the directories in org.openembedded.dev
  • [19:34:20] <Edgs> Thank you all ! ;)
  • [19:34:32] <wandern> joel@xuboe:~/overo-oe$ ls user.collection/
  • [19:34:32] <wandern> conf files recipes site
  • [19:34:53] <wandern> any recipe I make/fix/update/whatever, I copy to the user.collection
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  • [19:40:17] <robinswan> Hi, I change the beagleboard kernel configuration in OE, than I lost the NFS client/server option in menuconfig.
  • [19:41:47] <robinswan> I check the depend on item "NET", it was setted yes, any config option that I should enable ?
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  • [19:44:44] <_av500_> compare it to the original kernel config
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  • [22:52:54] <djlewis_> gm
  • [22:53:09] <djlewis_> I been too busy to drop in :(
  • [22:53:21] <prpplague> djlewis_: clean up after the storm?
  • [22:53:46] <djlewis_> hi prpplague , that lightning strike took out my weather station again.
  • [22:53:55] <djlewis_> took a couple hours to piece it back together.
  • [22:53:59] <prpplague> doh
  • [22:54:22] <djlewis_> no tornadic activity, thank goodness.
  • [22:55:36] <djlewis_> That's about 4 or 5 times my weather station has gone down due to lightning in the past several years
  • [22:55:57] <djlewis_> time for opto's between the sensors and computer.
  • [22:56:19] <djlewis_> like IR's transmitting from 100' ;)
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  • [22:56:30] <djlewis_> later
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  • [23:58:24] * djlewis_ is. . . On the road again.... Feels good to be on the road again... (sing it willy style)...
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