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  • [00:29:49] <philo> hi
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  • [00:34:22] <robtow> Trying to get gphoto2 to run as non-root under Angstrom on Beagle; tried adding a usb group and making myself a member, then adding this line to /etc/fstab:
  • [00:34:37] <robtow> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devuid=0,devgid=64008,devmode=660 0 0
  • [00:34:49] <robtow> where 64008 is the group id of the usb group.
  • [00:35:02] <robtow> ls -l /proc/bus/usb gives this result:
  • [00:35:21] <robtow> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 001
  • [00:35:37] <robtow> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 12 16:20 devices
  • [00:35:48] <robtow> And gphoto2 does not see the canon G10 *unless* run as root, still.
  • [00:36:31] <robtow> Anyone have a suggestion?
  • [00:37:20] <mru> what's inside the subdirs there?
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  • [00:40:57] <robtow> mru - let me d a pastebin.....
  • [00:41:04] <robtow> brb
  • [00:42:01] <mru> the devxxx params apply only to files inside the subdirs bus/usb
  • [00:43:22] <philo> still no begle from digi-key ?
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  • [00:44:58] <robtow> mru: http://pastebin.com/m7ed04e68
  • [00:45:26] <rcn-ee> philo, should be in monday, like gerald says in email group...
  • [00:45:50] <maelcum> on their german website they say shipping date is somewhere around march 4th or so
  • [00:46:16] <mru> robtow: did you remount that after updating fstab?
  • [00:46:41] <robtow> mru - tried umount and mount, also rebooting.
  • [00:47:08] <robtow> The pastebin is after a reboot.
  • [00:47:09] <rcn-ee> website is just an estimate, they'll be in..
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  • [00:49:40] <mru> robtow: sorry, don't know then
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  • [00:52:25] <robtow> mru: thanks anyway :-)
  • [01:01:05] <Aditya1> aaaanyone used IMGLIB or DSPLIB with beagleboard?
  • [01:01:09] <Aditya1> or OE/angstrom in general
  • [01:03:33] <philo> rcn-ee: thanks i am not in the mailling list
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  • [01:23:38] <torusle> Aditya1, I use dsplib.. but just for fft.
  • [01:28:59] <Aditya1> I am just sort of lost when it comes to toolchain
  • [01:29:22] <Aditya1> what environment do you work in?
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  • [01:33:10] <CruNcher> hehe how funny Nexus One uses TIs PMU :P
  • [01:33:32] <Aditya1> * shrug *
  • [01:33:37] <Aditya1> everyone pretty much uses TI stuff
  • [01:34:55] <CruNcher> nah sorry not the IC is from TI strange what do they mean the Power circutry ?
  • [01:35:00] <CruNcher> http://www.isuppli.com/News/Pages/Google-Nexus-One-Carries-$17415-Materials-Cost-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx?PR
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  • [01:40:43] <CruNcher> http://www.isuppli.com/PublishingImages/Press%20Releases/iSuppli%20Google%20Nexus%20One_5.jpg
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  • [01:44:09] <CruNcher> what was the difference between the Omap3 3430/3440 ?
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  • [02:26:11] <CruNcher> wow
  • [02:26:19] <CruNcher> av500 that is crazy
  • [02:26:39] <CruNcher> 2H same playlist still 100% charge with AMC
  • [02:27:11] <CruNcher> say AMC uses the DSP ?
  • [02:27:17] <CruNcher> for Audio
  • [02:27:18] <mru> amc?
  • [02:27:27] <CruNcher> Archos Media Center
  • [02:27:46] <mru> what device?
  • [02:27:51] <CruNcher> A5 IT
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  • [02:27:58] <mru> same as mine...
  • [02:28:09] <CruNcher> mediaserver is a real energy sucker compared to the AMC :)
  • [02:28:33] <CruNcher> and AMC supports gapless playback hehe
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  • [02:30:23] <CruNcher> the only thing i miss from AMC is the Android popup interface ;)
  • [02:31:19] <CruNcher> file operations by allways going to the menu button and doing 1000 clicks isnr really user friendly
  • [02:32:22] <mru> no, not very
  • [02:32:32] <mru> but then android isn't very friendly either
  • [02:33:01] <CruNcher> but the popup way is nicer ;)
  • [02:33:14] <mru> yeah
  • [02:33:23] <mru> it's mainly the onscreen keyboard I dislike
  • [02:33:25] <torusle> mru, nice rant about the built-ins btw...
  • [02:33:50] <mru> I liked DJ's comment
  • [02:33:54] <mru> about the bswap
  • [02:34:42] <torusle> yea.. .I know.. I read the gcc-dev list since two years..
  • [02:34:58] <mru> isn't that depressing?
  • [02:35:01] <torusle> there is *so* much stuff that never makes it into the mainline.
  • [02:35:21] <mru> do you have any idea why?
  • [02:35:58] <CruNcher> mru their are alot of replacements for the keyboard allready
  • [02:36:00] <torusle> yep. They are busy fixing bugs for 1st tier platforms (x86, ppc)...
  • [02:36:33] <CruNcher> newest way is the path gesture typing way :P
  • [02:36:43] <CruNcher> said to be very efficient
  • [02:36:48] <mru> so I heard
  • [02:36:52] <mru> so where does one get it?
  • [02:36:56] <ds2> hey mru, what version of gcc would you suggest compiling ffmpeg with on x86? the version I used causes it to moan and complain about stack not being aligned and it being miscompiled
  • [02:37:13] <mru> ds2: what _are_ you using?
  • [02:37:17] <mru> I use 4.3.latest
  • [02:37:18] <ds2> let me check
  • [02:37:24] <ds2> 3.2
  • [02:37:28] <mru> ooooh
  • [02:37:35] <ds2> gcc 4 blows up on things so I never upgraded
  • [02:37:39] <mru> that's really antediluvian
  • [02:38:14] <CruNcher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xczma380w4M
  • [02:38:16] <ds2> I do build qemu every now and then ;)
  • [02:38:51] <ds2> would gcc 4.1 do any better?
  • [02:39:55] <mru> I'd recommend 4.2 or 4.3
  • [02:39:55] <CruNcher> http://droidmuff.in/downloads/swype-preview/
  • [02:40:27] <mru> CruNcher: you know, I hate having to pay extra to get something that's bearable to use
  • [02:40:41] <mru> grr, brain doing phonetic typing again
  • [02:41:10] <mru> and half the cool stuff is only available through the google market
  • [02:41:14] <mru> which doesn't work on archos
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  • [02:43:27] <CruNcher> you wanted to add (officialy) ;)
  • [02:43:50] <mru> so how do I get it unofficially?
  • [02:45:23] <mru> if I buy a gadget, I expect it to be usable without resorting to unofficial hacks
  • [02:45:40] <mru> guess that's why I don't buy many "consumer" gadgets
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  • [02:48:44] <CruNcher> http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=29508
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  • [02:56:14] <mru> looks complicated
  • [02:56:26] <mru> that keyboard thing doesn't seem to do anything
  • [02:56:57] <GrizzlyAdams> market isn't that hard to install
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  • [03:11:22] <torusle> bye
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  • [03:16:26] <CruNcher> mru you need to activate the keyboard in the settings after installing it
  • [03:16:36] <CruNcher> then change the input mode
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  • [03:17:36] <CruNcher> and come on following those easy instructions in your possition to call complicted hmm ;)
  • [03:18:27] <mru> way more complicated than it should be
  • [03:18:36] <mru> the damn thing should f*cking WORK when I buy it
  • [03:19:00] <CruNcher> agreed though industry politics dont allow that :P
  • [03:19:53] <CruNcher> if the commercial IT world would be just that easy :)
  • [03:20:07] <CruNcher> no one would need todo such stuff in the first place
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  • [03:58:32] <CruNcher> 4H are reached :)
  • [03:58:50] <CruNcher> saving of 20% discharge amazing :)
  • [03:59:55] <CruNcher> on the other side it means that the used decoder on Android isnt the same as in the AMC which on the other side is splitting the experience again :(
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  • [04:01:44] <CruNcher> i hope Archos decides for thighter hardware decoder integration into Android itself :)
  • [04:03:07] <CruNcher> the supplied Android decoder seem to be really bad
  • [04:03:42] <CruNcher> AAC SBR Android 4H = -30%
  • [04:04:01] <CruNcher> AAC SBR AMC 4H = -10%
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  • [09:04:38] <_av500__> CruNcher: it is also the fact that android knows nothing about hdd pwr management
  • [09:12:23] <ds2> Mmmm the fresh smell of userland wars
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  • [11:50:59] <Tej> hello all
  • [11:51:08] <Tej> is anyone there?
  • [11:51:24] <Tej> i need help for Totem player running on beagle board
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  • [12:21:41] <mru> there is no help for totem...
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  • [12:24:33] <eFfeM_home> mru save your breath, he's gone already
  • [12:25:56] <mru> I wasn't talking to him
  • [12:26:10] <mru> there's no point talking to people who want to run totem
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  • [12:32:20] <eFfeM_home> true
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  • [12:49:42] <felipec> mru: it works fine on GNOME, if somebody is using GNOME on the beagleboard it might even be compilable, I think the touchbook guys use it
  • [12:50:13] <mru> if you use gnome, your standards for "fine" must be pretty low
  • [12:51:12] <felipec> mru: is there a better DE out there?
  • [12:51:31] <mru> what *is* a DE?
  • [12:51:39] <mru> what does one do?
  • [12:52:18] <felipec> mru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
  • [12:53:04] <mru> "less intuitive,[citation needed] command-line interface"
  • [12:53:54] <mru> that still doesn't explain why they're so f*ckin huge
  • [12:54:16] <mru> and why they insist on creating poor re-implementations of everything
  • [12:54:21] <mru> only to add a g or a k to the name
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  • [12:55:11] <felipec> mru: that's easily explained by the noi complex
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  • [12:55:35] <felipec> I don't approve of how GNOME guys work, but I don't see anyone doing something better
  • [12:55:57] <mru> I don't see a need for what they're doing at all
  • [12:56:01] <mru> I like my xterm
  • [12:56:12] <mru> and xemacs
  • [12:56:19] <mru> that's pretty much all I run
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  • [12:57:53] <felipec> mru: it must be tricky to browse the interwebs that way
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  • [12:58:45] <mru> I use firefox for that
  • [12:58:51] <mru> also nothing to do with g or k
  • [13:01:12] <felipec> mru: it's a g
  • [13:01:20] <felipec> since it uses GTK+
  • [13:01:55] <mru> that's borderland
  • [13:02:12] <mru> gtk is huge bloat of course
  • [13:02:39] <felipec> anyway, I wouldn't even try to compile GNOME in my beagleboard, so for me Totem is not an option, but a simple GTK+ player is
  • [13:03:01] <mru> I wrote my own little "tray" app and some system monitors to go in it
  • [13:03:25] <felipec> mru: have a screenshot?
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  • [13:05:09] <mru> felipec: http://unicorn.mansr.com/~mru/tray.png
  • [13:05:54] <mru> the tray app uses 380k ram right now
  • [13:06:19] <mru> the cpu graphs use 600k
  • [13:06:20] <felipec> mru: I meant of your desktop, but anyway, I guess to be pleasing to the eye is not one of the objectives
  • [13:06:34] <mru> to stay out of the way is the objective
  • [13:07:01] <mru> come on, it's not _that_ ugly
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  • [13:09:52] <felipec> mru: no, it's not, but even though I'm pretty far from being a designer: those color don't seem to be the best combination
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  • [13:14:42] <mru> felipec: they are easy to distinguish without hurting my eyes
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  • [16:44:14] <DaveDavenport> gtk itself is not that bad, mostly the crap surrounding it
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  • [17:31:35] <_av500__> but isn't KDE much better?
  • [17:31:41] * _av500__ fuels the flames
  • [17:33:13] <DaveDavenport> lets all use englightenment 0.17
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  • [18:57:28] <mru> ow
  • [18:57:46] <mru> yeah, I understand the problem
  • [18:57:58] <mru> I thought first someone was saying those patches improved performance
  • [18:58:04] <mru> then I realised it was about corruption
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  • [21:02:09] <SplasH> is there a c library avaiable which uses the dsp to convert from yuyv (yuv422) to rgb24? or a library which is optimised for the cortex-a8 with neon?
  • [21:03:28] <_av500__> SplasH: look af omapfbplay
  • [21:03:43] <_av500__> ah, no that has 420 to 422 only
  • [21:03:44] <mru> not really
  • [21:04:11] <mru> there's hardware yuv to rgb conversion
  • [21:04:54] <_av500__> there is also that "questionable" OMX IL stuff from arm...
  • [21:05:03] <_av500__> err, OMD DL
  • [21:05:09] <_av500__> OMX DL
  • [21:05:50] <_av500__> SplasH: I know no free dsp codec that does yuv to rgb, but what for?
  • [21:06:12] <_av500__> as mru said, using a hw video overlay will give you that for free...
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  • [21:10:10] <SplasH> I will use the beagle for image processing. From my usb camera I get images in yuyv. But I can use the image only if it is in rgb. And converting from yuyv to rgb takes much cpu time.
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  • [21:11:24] <SplasH> I think openmax from arm uses the arm c compiler/assembler and not gcc
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  • [21:12:01] <mru> I have a yuv to rgb converter I can sell you ;-)
  • [21:12:50] <_av500__> SplasH: still it is valid arm assembly code, should be easy to port
  • [21:14:16] <SplasH> but I dont't know much about assembler... that's the problem
  • [21:14:37] <_av500__> you dont know, they wrote it already :)
  • [21:14:46] <_av500__> you dont have to know, they wrote it already :)
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  • [22:19:06] <buZz> ahhhh, people <3
  • [22:19:20] <buZz> at least more then in #omap :P
  • [22:19:43] * buZz trying to get serial output from a IGEPv2 board, but everything i try just gives me gibberish
  • [22:20:00] <mru> wrong settings?
  • [22:20:19] <mru> wrong bitrate can give garbage
  • [22:20:19] <buZz> maybe, all i found was that i should do 115200-8N1
  • [22:20:31] <buZz> for both uboot and linux itself
  • [22:20:33] <mru> that's fairly typical
  • [22:20:43] <buZz> but neither is giving me something typical in the terms of output
  • [22:20:54] <buZz> it doesn't even match 100% from different powercycles :(
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  • [22:23:04] <ssvb> buZz: are you using a serial cable bought with your board?
  • [22:23:40] <buZz> no, a random one i found in my part bin
  • [22:25:10] <buZz> confirmed working in a PC with a serial mouse
  • [22:28:39] <ssvb> AFAIK there can be different types of cable pinout, you need "AT/Everex": http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#RS232
  • [22:29:14] <mru> if he's getting garbage that's not the problem
  • [22:29:21] <mru> or not the only problem
  • [22:29:37] <mru> wrong wiring will give either nothing or one-way comms
  • [22:34:36] <ssvb> buZz: does gibberish look like repeated strings of similar characters?
  • [22:36:37] * DaveDavenport had the fun that updating u-boot changed serial port speed, took me a while to figure out (was on a nxp board)
  • [22:37:31] <buZz> ssvb: sometimes yeah, i see a lot of '1;2c'
  • [22:38:01] <buZz> DaveDavenport: yeah, this one is brand new out of the box
  • [22:38:08] <buZz> haven't updated or flashed anything
  • [22:38:21] <ssvb> I happened to have (similar?) problem with "a random cable taken out parts bin", but maybe it was just defective and not had a wrong wiring
  • [22:38:56] <mru> hmm.. that looks like part of an ansi escape sequence
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  • [22:48:54] <ssvb> buZz: in any case, I would recommend checking cable pinout with multimeter or trying to find another cable to test
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  • [23:32:51] <philo> hi
  • [23:33:02] <philo> any feedback on the devkit8000?
  • [23:34:55] <DaveDavenport> yeah, but the feedback killer took care of it
  • [23:35:41] <mIKEjONES> what is the SPI voltage on OMAPs?
  • [23:35:43] <mIKEjONES> 3.3?
  • [23:37:24] <DaveDavenport> isn't it 1.8V
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