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  • [00:03:28] <mru> happy new year
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  • [00:34:12] <djlewis> happy new year to you to mru
  • [00:36:20] <qball> new year is in 14 days and 1 month
  • [00:42:59] <ds2> happy new years
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  • [00:53:49] <mru> qball: chinese new year?
  • [00:57:59] <GrizzlyAdams> argh, http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/sid/v2.6.32.2-x2.0/patch-2.6.32.2-x2.0.diff is against 2.6.32 not 2.6.32.2 :/
  • [00:59:37] <rcn-ee> GrizzlyAdams, it's against 2.6.32.2
  • [00:59:57] <GrizzlyAdams> well huge chunks fail when i apply it to 2.6.32.2
  • [01:00:05] <rcn-ee> patch -p2?
  • [01:00:30] <GrizzlyAdams> isn't it -p1 ?
  • [01:00:54] <rcn-ee> no, i caught the error in the script after they'd been built....
  • [01:01:04] <GrizzlyAdams> O_o
  • [01:01:20] <GrizzlyAdams> ok
  • [01:01:29] <GrizzlyAdams> the ./
  • [01:02:20] <GrizzlyAdams> think maybe in the future you could add CONFIG_INPUT_JOYDEV=m ?
  • [01:02:53] <rcn-ee> the patch was generated with: diff -urN ./linux-${KERNEL_REL}-orig ./linux-${KERNEL_REL} > ... you can see where the error came from.. ;)
  • [01:03:23] <rcn-ee> i'm converting it to git, so it no more straight diff's...
  • [01:03:40] <rcn-ee> GrizzlyAdams, which kernel 2.6.32 right?
  • [01:04:21] <GrizzlyAdams> ?
  • [01:04:59] <rcn-ee> GrizzlyAdams, too add that module to the defconfig... 2.6.32 branch is: https://code.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6-dev if you want to rebuild it with that option...
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  • [01:37:25] <GrizzlyAdams> i wish someone would clear up the resolution on the pico projector, i've seen it listed as 320x240, 480x320, 640x480
  • [01:40:31] <GrizzlyAdams> sometimes all three on the same brochure
  • [01:41:27] <rcn-ee> the original (rev 1) took a "640 x 480" and down-sampled it too one of those resolutions, not sure on rev 2...
  • [01:42:46] <rcn-ee> rev 1: down-sampled it to 480x320.. (had to rewatch my youtube video to remember that..)
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  • [02:19:09] <kblin> evening folks
  • [02:22:31] <kblin> rcn-ee: btw, musb is now rock stable on both my revb and my revc beagle, still running the 2.6.31.5-x5.3 kernel. thanks again for the help :)
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  • [02:30:08] <rcn-ee> cool to hear, kblin, btw 2.6.32.2 is almost as stable as the 2.6.31.X tree... ;) btw, since your a samba coder, is there a samba file upload/download testsuite?
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  • [02:38:20] <kblin> rcn-ee: we have the smbtorture testsuite that does extensive tests
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  • [02:38:35] <kblin> I don't think we have any test uploading/downloading files
  • [02:38:46] <kblin> not real files, that is
  • [02:52:05] <ds2> pico has a 320x480 element and a converter to take a 640x480 timing signal in
  • [02:59:48] <GrizzlyAdams> is the fpga or the msp doing the scaling?
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  • [03:02:15] <ds2> fpga or asic
  • [03:02:23] <kblin> rcn-ee: you could try dbench if you want to benchmark the system
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  • [03:08:40] <kblin> actually, tbench was the one I was looking for.. or maybe smbtorture is better
  • [03:08:58] <kblin> check http://samba.org/ftp/tridge/dbench/README
  • [03:09:10] <rcn-ee> kblin, i'm actually getting some interesting benchmarking results with http://www.phoromatic.com/ the Rev C2 is kicking my old duron 750's butt.. anything to help stress test the musb/ehci interfaces.. ;)
  • [03:11:38] <kblin> rcn-ee: well, for the (crude) active directory benchmarks I did for my last samba presentation, my revc runs common AD operations at 20%-50% of the speed of my desktop PC
  • [03:12:39] <kblin> if you want to hit the filesystem over usb, dbench certainly would be a good test to run :)
  • [03:15:18] <rcn-ee> thanks kblin, yeap rootfs is on the musb port, so i'll setup that test..
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  • [03:15:55] <GrizzlyAdams> i see a problem with the current dss2 driver, but can't figure out how to fix it.. the driver assumes you want svideo and not composite
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  • [03:19:36] <GrizzlyAdams> unless i'm really missing something
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  • [03:30:02] <GrizzlyAdams> i guess this covers it: http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/68544/
  • [03:33:13] <GrizzlyAdams> just lacks runtime config
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  • [04:55:33] <wandern> anyone know if the Tobi can be powered by USB like the beagle?
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  • [05:02:26] <nilly> hi guys gm
  • [05:03:40] <nilly> i am not able to connect keyboard and mouse on beagle
  • [05:03:44] <jackman> wandern: just out of curiousity, what is tobi?
  • [05:04:30] <wandern> expansion board for the gumstix overo
  • [05:04:40] <wandern> not quite beagle ::cough:: but still omap3530 processor
  • [05:05:10] <wandern> picked one up to play with while beagles were out of production... made the assumption that it could be powered via USB like the Beagle
  • [05:07:01] <GrizzlyAdams> even on beagle the usb power isn't something to rely on, you really need a 5v regulated wallwart
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  • [05:08:40] <wandern> a powered usb hub should power the beagle with no problems
  • [05:08:47] <wandern> unless theres an expansion board
  • [05:09:32] <wandern> grizzly: have you run into a power problem?
  • [05:14:10] <GrizzlyAdams> yea, with just dvi + audio when running from usb power
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  • [05:16:57] <nilly_> hi
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  • [05:19:14] <wandern> Hmm.. that's annoying
  • [05:19:39] <wandern> as I expected to need a usb hub for ethernet/bluetooth, I hoped to use just one adapter for both of them
  • [05:19:52] <wandern> could it be the hub not supplying enough power?
  • [05:19:54] <wandern> i.e, cheap hub?
  • [05:20:10] <nilly_> on Beagle B7 do i need to short pin4 pin5 If i want to use usb otg If i want to connect keyboard?
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  • [05:25:16] <GrizzlyAdams> gumstix is way too expensive
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  • [05:40:33] <GrizzlyAdams> gah, my kernel has been building for 4 hours
  • [05:41:07] <mIKEjONE1> are there any binary distros for beagle?
  • [05:41:09] <wandern> oe bitbake or compile from scratch?
  • [05:41:22] <GrizzlyAdams> cfs
  • [05:41:23] <wandern> mikejone1: yes, angstrom distribution
  • [05:41:28] <mIKEjONE1> that might be a bit too much to ask for maybe since it's such a small niche
  • [05:42:10] <mIKEjONE1> hmm
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  • [05:57:40] <mIKEjONE1> I'm away from my CAD computer atm but does anyone know off the top of their heads if the beagle board uses blind/buried vias?
  • [05:58:42] <prpplague> mIKEjONE1 pretty much have to with the pitch and count of the bga pins
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  • [06:00:12] <jkridner|work> Happy New Year
  • [06:00:12] <jkridner> Happy New Year
  • [06:04:18] <mIKEjONE1> prpplague: unfortunately you're right :[ thanks though
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  • [06:11:41] <mIKEjONE1> actually... blind and buried vias are defined but they're never used
  • [06:12:47] <prpplague> mIKEjONE1 i'm like you, don't have it right in front of me
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  • [06:13:29] <prpplague> mIKEjONE1 but the two other omap3530 boards i've done, i had no choice but to do blind/burried vias
  • [06:16:17] <mIKEjONE1> so you've fabed your own boards?
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  • [06:16:38] <prpplague> two so far
  • [06:16:42] <mIKEjONE1> nice
  • [06:16:57] <prpplague> techincally just finishing my second one
  • [06:17:06] <prpplague> hardware is done, finishing up on the software now
  • [06:17:44] <mIKEjONE1> I'm looking at doing the same for a uni project, and I'd really like to stay away from blind/buried vias because of the near tripling of manufacturing costs
  • [06:19:07] <prpplague> mIKEjONE1 there are number of really good 3530 modules that are really good to use
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  • [06:20:15] <mIKEjONE1> like the CUB package? that caught my attention
  • [06:20:51] <prpplague> i'm fond of the KBOC modules, basically a beagleboard without the peripherals
  • [06:25:25] <GrizzlyAdams> argh, now i can't write kernel to /dev/mtdblock3 :/
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  • [06:32:27] <bobkatzz> snappy new year all!
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  • [06:52:14] <GrizzlyAdams> i get done, booting the kernel.
  • [06:52:17] <GrizzlyAdams> then nothing
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  • [10:28:17] <eFfeM> happy newyear beaglers
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  • [10:33:08] <Ganny> hi all
  • [10:33:28] <Ganny> is anyone working on omap3 on beagle board, for SPI?
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  • [14:33:51] <Thunderbird> right now the gcc offered by google for android doesn't support the neon fpu
  • [14:34:10] <Thunderbird> do you think I can use the beagleboard compilers for android?
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  • [17:48:30] <elmood> yes
  • [17:48:38] <torusle> exactly!
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  • [19:43:30] <BobCochran> Hi, can a BeagleBoard be interfaced to an iRobot Create?
  • [19:46:31] <BobCochran> Also, are there resources for implementing BeagleBoards in robotics?
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  • [20:08:12] <GrizzlyAdams> still trying to figure out why a known good uImage kernel hangs after decompression
  • [20:08:34] <cwillu_at_work> GrizzlyAdams, you sure its hanging?
  • [20:08:52] <GrizzlyAdams> well theres no output on the console, no video, and no heartbeat
  • [20:09:15] <cwillu_at_work> what bootargs?
  • [20:10:05] <crashovrd> the load address
  • [20:10:12] <crashovrd> you are decompressing over itself
  • [20:10:13] <GrizzlyAdams> console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/sda1 rootwait rootfstype=ext3 ro
  • [20:10:38] <GrizzlyAdams> crashovrd: thats very possible
  • [20:10:54] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm using 80300000
  • [20:11:09] <crashovrd> try 8200 0000
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  • [20:11:57] <crashovrd> (without the space, i only put it there for read ability)
  • [20:12:44] <GrizzlyAdams> nope
  • [20:12:46] <GrizzlyAdams> still hangs
  • [20:14:04] <elmood> ok mr. lister
  • [20:14:06] <cwillu_at_work> wait, /dev/sda1?
  • [20:14:10] <GrizzlyAdams> yes
  • [20:14:31] <cwillu_at_work> what's your boot device?
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  • [20:14:45] <GrizzlyAdams> it worked fine until i compiled my own kernel, then tried to boot it, now even with the kernel i used before it still hangs
  • [20:14:48] <GrizzlyAdams> usb hdd
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  • [20:15:17] <cwillu_at_work> so it's not a kernel problem?
  • [20:15:31] <GrizzlyAdams> it didn't start until i booted my own kernel
  • [20:16:43] <cwillu_at_work> but if it's still broken with the old kernel now, then something else actually broken
  • [20:16:57] <GrizzlyAdams> thats whats got me baffled
  • [20:18:29] <crashovrd> what is the last line output on the debug port?
  • [20:19:01] <GrizzlyAdams> debug port or console port? cause i have nothing wired to ttyS3 (linux's default debug port)
  • [20:19:13] <crashovrd> oic,
  • [20:19:24] <crashovrd> yeah ttyS3 is the one i mean
  • [20:19:38] <crashovrd> u need to hook something up there to read it
  • [20:19:40] <GrizzlyAdams> http://pastebin.drunkencoders.com/p/NcJFxl.html <- thats my boot log
  • [20:19:51] <crashovrd> it will probably tell you exactly what is wrong
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  • [20:21:02] <GrizzlyAdams> kgdboc=ttyS2,115200n8 should set the debug port to ttyS2, right?
  • [20:21:21] <crashovrd> i have no idea
  • [20:21:25] <crashovrd> i am not a kernel guru
  • [20:22:12] <crashovrd> oh, my bad
  • [20:22:20] <crashovrd> i see it in your log
  • [20:22:24] <crashovrd> its ttyS2
  • [20:22:47] <GrizzlyAdams> well i get nothing out of console or kdbg
  • [20:22:53] <crashovrd> ... let me turn on my beagle to see what its supposed to be
  • [20:22:59] <crashovrd> i had a drink since i last used it
  • [20:23:00] <crashovrd> ;)
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  • [20:24:26] <crashovrd> yeah, its ttyS2
  • [20:25:18] <crashovrd> its in NAND?
  • [20:25:24] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah
  • [20:25:34] <crashovrd> try booting it from MMC
  • [20:25:38] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm about to try writing it out to mmc right now
  • [20:25:43] <crashovrd> does it work from that?
  • [20:26:00] <GrizzlyAdams> i've not tried booting my uImage from it, but debian netboot installer works from it
  • [20:26:44] <GrizzlyAdams> i can use the netboot as a rescue disk
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  • [20:31:09] <GrizzlyAdams> same result
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  • [20:31:41] <cwillu_at_work> zapped your beagle?
  • [20:31:44] <hrw> hi
  • [20:32:29] <GrizzlyAdams> somehow i have broken uImages that won't boot
  • [20:32:32] <crashovrd> i would suggest trying to boot with a known good image freshly downloaded from the beagleboard google page
  • [20:33:08] <crashovrd> grab the uboot and umage
  • [20:33:16] <crashovrd> put them on an empty MMC card
  • [20:33:39] <BobCochran> Hi, I'm new to Beagleboard, thinking of buying one. I'd like to use it in a robotics app. For example interfacing it to an iRobot Create. Is this possible?
  • [20:33:53] <crashovrd> anything is possible!
  • [20:34:21] <BobCochran> Would you say the system reference manual is accurate?
  • [20:34:40] <crashovrd> you can check the beagleboard.org site to find the wiki and projects list
  • [20:35:24] <BobCochran> Thanks, I will.
  • [20:35:34] <crashovrd> as far as i know, there are no glaring innacuracies in the manual
  • [20:35:44] <crashovrd> but its all use-at-your-own-risk
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  • [20:36:07] <BobCochran> Thanks.
  • [20:36:19] <crashovrd> beagleboard is not a end use product, its more like a open beta test
  • [20:36:36] * crashovrd pretends he used 'an' above
  • [20:36:53] <BobCochran> Okay, I understand better.
  • [20:36:57] <prpplague> BobCochran: there are no "robotics" accessory boards as of yet for the beagle, the primary problem with using the beagle for robotics is that all the gpio's are 1.8v based
  • [20:37:30] <prpplague> BobCochran: that is not to say that i could not be used for robotics, just that it is has a higher development curve for the hardware interfacing
  • [20:38:26] <prpplague> BobCochran: the beagleboard trainer board will be available at the end of january - http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
  • [20:38:35] <BobCochran> Thanks for telling me that. Much appreciated. Do you think beagleboard is a good way for a beginner in robotics to start? Or is there a better platform?
  • [20:38:58] <BobCochran> prpplague: thanks very much, I'll look it over.
  • [20:39:14] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, how much is that expected to go for?
  • [20:39:17] <prpplague> BobCochran: for beginners there are much better platforms for learning robotics
  • [20:39:48] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we haven't set the exact price as of yet, but it will be less than $60
  • [20:43:13] <crashovrd> GrizzlyAdams, i just noticed your uboot version is dec 2, 2009
  • [20:43:30] <crashovrd> you may want to try an earlier version to see if that solves the issue
  • [20:44:10] <GrizzlyAdams> but it booted 2.6.32.2 before!
  • [20:44:11] <crashovrd> i think everyone is grabbing the uboot from the Angstrom distro
  • [20:44:12] <BobCochran> okay, what is a better platform for learning robotics that can still allow high-end functionality?
  • [20:44:54] <prpplague> BobCochran: there is a robotics channel on freenode
  • [20:46:05] <crashovrd> i would suggesting taking a look at the Microsoft Robotics Studio page
  • [20:47:07] <crashovrd> wow, that got me thinking about the Hero 1 from back in the day
  • [20:47:28] <crashovrd> and the horrible voice synth
  • [20:47:35] <crashovrd> iirc, it was a TI chip
  • [20:48:13] <crashovrd> the same one they used in the speak n spell. i had this horrific vision of a future where children all grew up talking like that because they learned to speak from using it
  • [20:50:19] <crashovrd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HERO_%28robot%29
  • [20:50:40] <crashovrd> that would be cool to have powered by a beagleboard
  • [20:50:51] <BobCochran> prpplague, crashovrd: Thanks!
  • [20:52:12] <GrizzlyAdams> bah, lunch time
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  • [23:21:32] <heathkid> crashovrd, it was/is a Votrax SC-01a speech synthesizer chip
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  • [23:24:04] <heathkid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votrax
  • [23:25:35] <wandern> bobcochran: the pixhawk project is robotics (ish): flying helicopters
  • [23:25:49] <wandern> http://pixhawk.ethz.ch/
  • [23:27:45] <wandern> anyone know of a local (US) source for a 5V DC power adaptor? (Radio Shack, Frys, Microcenter)
  • [23:28:29] <prpplague> wandern all of the ones you mention have them
  • [23:28:47] <wandern> Microcenter didn't seem to: Radioshack has a universal at $50 bucks
  • [23:28:55] <wandern> I'm cheap, but also impatient ;)
  • [23:29:20] <wandern> heck, could probably buy a small gadget that has one and it would be cheaper
  • [23:29:50] <wandern> I have a .35amp one that gets me to boot, but dies as soon as it activates the wifi and bluetooth
  • [23:30:00] <heathkid> The Speak & Spell used a TI voice synthesizer chip called the TMC0280, later called the TI TMS5100. The Speak & Math also used a TI TMS5110 chip for voice synthesis.
  • [23:30:23] <heathkid> and I happen to love the voice of a HERO-1. :)
  • [23:30:25] <wandern> heathkid: ugh.. that would be a nightmare
  • [23:30:38] <heathkid> what's that wandern?
  • [23:30:39] <wandern> Everyone speaking with the 'speak & spell" voice of...
  • [23:30:44] <wandern> 1985?
  • [23:31:57] <heathkid> The Speak & Spell was introduced in 1978
  • [23:32:00] <wandern> ahh, that was crash that had nightmares
  • [23:32:39] <heathkid> I still use a Votrax SC-01-A in my bots
  • [23:33:04] <prpplague> wandern iirc i have one of these at the office - http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3705878
  • [23:33:28] <heathkid> I think they sound better than the newer SSI based chips / although I've also played around with the SpeakJet and it does a really good job.
  • [23:34:25] <heathkid> but my HERO-1's just wouldn't be the same without the speech.
  • [23:34:55] <wandern> prpplague: plug looks too big... but this is for overo, not beagle (didn't realize I couldn't power from a USB hub, so didn't order their $10 adapter)
  • [23:35:25] <prpplague> ahh
  • [23:35:38] <heathkid> wandern, you working with an overo?
  • [23:35:38] <prpplague> i have bench supplies i power all my stuff from anyway
  • [23:35:45] <wandern> Hmm, Frys is open until 9pm tonight; guess I'll make a trip otu there
  • [23:36:00] <wandern> heathkid: yes, just got one.
  • [23:36:26] <heathkid> I'm using a fire on a summit board now and doing a daughterboard for the pinto
  • [23:36:47] <wandern> if this project goes anywhere, it'll be fire on summit
  • [23:36:56] <heathkid> cool
  • [23:36:59] <wandern> picked up pinto for wired ethernet connection in case I need it
  • [23:37:12] <wandern> preferred the $20 for 'just in case'
  • [23:37:14] <heathkid> the pinto doesn't have ethernet
  • [23:37:18] <wandern> err
  • [23:37:19] <wandern> tobi
  • [23:37:49] <heathkid> but you can power the summit/overo directly from the VBATT pin with 3.3-7v (sinlge-cell li-poly)
  • [23:38:07] <heathkid> yea, I'll need a tobi at some point
  • [23:38:20] <heathkid> doing anything with bluetooth yet?
  • [23:38:34] <wandern> don't have my electronics gear up here; hence, I need a power supply
  • [23:38:46] <wandern> haven't done much with it yet; just arrived this week
  • [23:39:07] <wandern> want to play this weekend, but need a real power supply;
  • [23:39:09] <heathkid> gust grab 3 AA batteries
  • [23:39:20] <heathkid> won't last long with wifi turned on though
  • [23:39:28] <wandern> and driving the HDMI
  • [23:42:14] <heathkid> well, getting anyone to help me with bluez 4.x has been a nightmare
  • [23:42:33] <heathkid> more specifically bluez 4.x and obexftp
  • [23:43:08] <Crofton|work> heathkid, bitch at sakoman_ :)
  • [23:43:24] <heathkid> can pair devices but only get a root directory listing... I can put a file from the overo to a device, but that's it.
  • [23:43:28] <Crofton|work> I've done what can easily be done
  • [23:43:36] <heathkid> I know Crofton
  • [23:43:42] <heathkid> and I really appreciate it
  • [23:43:54] <heathkid> now we're thinking going back to 3.36 might be the way to go
  • [23:44:24] <heathkid> but the GCC on the overo won't compile bluez 3.36
  • [23:44:32] <Crofton> yeah
  • [23:44:39] <Crofton> failing backwards is never a good thing
  • [23:44:41] <ds2> less cruft in bluez 3
  • [23:44:44] <Crofton> always try to fail forward :)
  • [23:44:47] <heathkid> but trelane's been working on getting a build environment set up
  • [23:45:15] <heathkid> didn't you try to compile the latest bluez?
  • [23:45:26] <Crofton> yeah, it compiles
  • [23:45:37] <heathkid> I didn't think it did
  • [23:45:52] <Crofton> but it won't compile on gumstix-oe due to some config file stuff I do not understand
  • [23:45:59] <heathkid> ah
  • [23:46:09] <Crofton> bascially, builds in oe upstream, but not gumstix specific
  • [23:46:15] <heathkid> gotcha
  • [23:46:24] <Crofton> this is out of anything I have worried about
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  • [23:46:39] <Crofton> if you have a buil denv going, we can point you at the differences
  • [23:46:56] <heathkid> okay, but it seems like it's going to take a while to get it running
  • [23:47:18] <Crofton> it shouldn't be that bad
  • [23:47:23] <heathkid> last I heard we were on task 1228 or so
  • [23:47:27] <Crofton> ah
  • [23:47:30] <Crofton> just takes time
  • [23:47:32] <heathkid> yep
  • [23:48:08] <heathkid> but I wish I could try bluez 3.36 on the gumstix
  • [23:48:25] <heathkid> everything works with bluez 3.36 on x86
  • [23:48:59] <heathkid> I didn't know it would be so difficult to get this working
  • [23:49:07] <ds2> that's OE for you
  • [23:49:27] <heathkid> guess so
  • [23:50:00] <heathkid> but I'm sure we'll get it going sometime...
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  • [23:53:38] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [23:53:47] <Crofton|work> need to understand the changes sakoman_ made