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  • [00:09:42] <CountDown> If the SD card is always going to be in the beagle board, is there any advantage other than saving space to flashing a custom u-boot to NAND instead of leaving it on the FAT32 partition?
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  • [00:13:53] <rcn-ee_> CountDown, consistency, no matter what kernel/os is on your stack of random sd cards should atleast boot..
  • [00:14:33] <CountDown> Fair enough.
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  • [00:32:44] <infrared_> hello all
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  • [00:44:50] <KadirB> hi , i ve booted my beagleboard with com port but it asks me question for password and i try to use keyboard but its not doing anything ?
  • [00:45:34] <XorA> use no flow control
  • [00:46:32] <KadirB> thnx
  • [00:46:56] <KadirB> now i want to disable framebuffer image display on boot on top bar
  • [00:47:01] <KadirB> which command ?
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  • [00:53:20] <KadirB> root@kadir:~# saveenv
  • [00:53:20] <KadirB> -sh: saveenv: not found
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  • [01:01:54] <CountDown> KadirB: You need to be at the u-boot prompt to use saveenv.
  • [01:02:31] <CountDown> When the board is booting, a message will appear in the terminal asking you press any key to stop autobooting.
  • [01:02:42] <CountDown> If you press a key, you will be put into a u-boot prompt.
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  • [04:23:21] <GrizzlyAdams> anyone here good with usb hid report descriptors?
  • [04:23:50] <GrizzlyAdams> i have one that works for windows, but isn't recognized on linux
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  • [04:46:13] <zesu> hello everyone
  • [04:48:38] <zesu> anyone knows how to buy a beagleboard in china?
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  • [05:29:17] <crwper> Hi all.
  • [05:29:53] <crwper> I asked the other day if it was necessary to rebuild u-boot in order to use UART2 on the expansion header.
  • [05:30:15] <crwper> The person who responded seemed pretty sure it wasn't, but my research seems to indicate unanimously that it is.
  • [05:30:37] <crwper> So I'm currently fiddling with u-boot.
  • [05:30:57] <ds2> DO NOT DO MUXING IN U-BOOT!
  • [05:31:04] <crwper> Why's that?
  • [05:31:10] <ds2> it is bad practice.
  • [05:31:14] <crwper> What's better?
  • [05:31:21] <ds2> do all your muxing in the kernel
  • [05:31:43] <crwper> Any specifics? I'm trying to figure out if I've toasted my BB, or if I'm just doing something else wrong.
  • [05:31:52] <crwper> Can't seem to get GPIO_168/183 to work as output.
  • [05:31:53] <ds2> the only reason to do the muxing in U-boot is if you want to move the console to a different UART or for some function that you are doing IN u-boot
  • [05:32:00] <ds2> check your revision
  • [05:32:06] <ds2> the mux'ing is different between C and B
  • [05:32:21] <crwper> Rev C3.
  • [05:32:29] <crwper> 168 and 183 are unchanged between revs.
  • [05:32:44] <crwper> IIRC, I had them working before, which is what's got me really befuddled.
  • [05:32:56] <ds2> this is why you ALWAYS do it in the kernel
  • [05:33:06] <ds2> so if you change the u-boot, you have a sane setup
  • [05:33:36] <crwper> Ah, but I hadn't changed u-boot between when it worked and when it didn't. That's mainly a response to it not working.
  • [05:33:58] <crwper> Still, I should be able to get things back to a sane setup by changing back to the old u-boot, no?
  • [05:34:18] <ds2> maybe
  • [05:34:21] <crwper> :-)
  • [05:34:46] <crwper> How can I change pin mux from the kernel?
  • [05:34:46] <ds2> bottom line is stop fiddling with U-boot
  • [05:34:50] <crwper> Okee doke.
  • [05:34:59] <ds2> depending on the version, it is slightly different
  • [05:35:24] <ds2> for older pre 30range, I have a write up... you add some defines and invoke a few functions
  • [05:35:51] <ds2> for newer stuff, following the lists
  • [05:36:11] <crwper> The lists?
  • [05:36:24] <ds2> L-O
  • [05:38:07] <crwper> Sorry, not following. Bit of a noob here.
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  • [05:39:37] <ds2> linux-omap on vger
  • [05:39:48] <crwper> Gotcha.
  • [05:40:02] <ds2> <-eatting
  • [05:45:34] <CountDown> sakoman: Here's the update I promised. I was able to modify the u-boot splash screen, mostly by following these directions: http://wh1t3s.com/2009/05/07/modifying-and-rebuilding-u-boot/
  • [05:46:15] <CountDown> I manually applied the Beagle Board logo patch to the latest u-boot code, not the older rev I originally mentioned.
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  • [05:49:29] <CountDown> The patch I manually applied was: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/attach/3416ad0648deea06/u-boot_v1_beagle_logo.patch.bz2?part=2
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  • [05:59:10] <crwper> ds2: I wonder if you can elaborate on the danger of modifying pin mux in u-boot. I'm not quite clear what the worst-case is.
  • [06:00:07] <ds2> if you want a dissertation on that, I can provided at a nominal rate of $300/hour. min 4hours.
  • [06:01:35] <crwper> ds2: Thought you might be able to elaborate is all. No need to get snitty about it.
  • [06:03:33] <sakoman> whether to do pinmux in u-boot or kernel is up to you
  • [06:04:18] <sakoman> because omap pinmux support in previous kernels was somewhat broken, many of us preferred to do it in u-boot
  • [06:05:07] <sakoman> with kernel pinmux being improved starting in 2.6.32, doing it in the kernel will likely be the preferred way
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  • [06:06:19] <crwper> sakoman: Thanks. I'm subscribed to L-O now, and have been browsing the archives, but have not yet found a digestible explanation of how to change pin mux in the kernel.
  • [06:06:33] <crwper> Is such an explanation available, or is it simply too near the bleeding edge?
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  • [06:07:03] <sakoman> I doubt that there is a good clean explanation in a single spot
  • [06:07:43] <sakoman> you'll have to look for the posts where Tony outlines the new scheme and then read the follow-on discussion
  • [06:08:34] <crwper> sakoman: That's Tony Lindgren, I assume?
  • [06:08:40] <sakoman> yes
  • [06:09:00] <sakoman> be carefull not to search too far back or you will be reading about the previous scheme :-)
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  • [06:09:11] <crwper> :-) Will start at the top, then.
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  • [06:10:41] <sakoman> gn all
  • [06:10:47] <av500> gn sakoman :)
  • [06:10:55] <crwper> sakoman: Thanks again!
  • [06:11:10] <av500> crwper: dont be afraid of kernel pinmux :)
  • [06:11:26] <CountDown> Can the number of seconds the user has to "Hit any key to stop autoboot" be changed with an environment variable, or does it require compiling a new version of u-boot?
  • [06:11:28] <crwper> av500: Plunging into it. Lots of new stuff learned in the last little while.
  • [06:11:57] <ds2> the old pinmux is not broq :P
  • [06:12:02] <ds2> I have used it
  • [06:12:10] <Aditya1> ok
  • [06:12:17] <Aditya1> so far I have an image from the online builder up
  • [06:12:25] <Aditya1> and it loaded the modules for dsp and such fine
  • [06:12:31] <Aditya1> and internet is working and so is opkg
  • [06:12:58] <Aditya1> if I am to make stuff for teh dSP , does the toolchain go on the host pC?
  • [06:13:09] <Aditya1> or do people usually just work on the bboard?
  • [06:13:20] <av500> the dsp rc is not for the BB
  • [06:13:24] <av500> it is x86 only
  • [06:13:27] <av500> rc->tc
  • [06:13:45] <av500> ds2: nothing to be broken, maybe more awkward to use...
  • [06:14:28] <ds2> av500: I donno about awkward... it made sense
  • [06:16:34] <av500> ds2: made sense for us since a long time
  • [06:16:42] <av500> just add your defines and use them,
  • [06:18:16] <ds2> yes
  • [06:19:02] <av500> the fun starts with offmode...
  • [06:19:09] <ds2> sane people don't go around screwing with the bootloader
  • [06:19:34] <Aditya1> av500: can you expand on what RC and TC are?
  • [06:19:38] <CountDown> Hey now.
  • [06:19:43] <ds2> it is rediculous that we have kernel images that can't run because it depends on u-boot to bless the board in some obscure way
  • [06:19:47] <Aditya1> < beginner... trying to do more with the bboard
  • [06:19:53] <av500> Aditya1: tc = toolchain
  • [06:19:56] <av500> rc = typo
  • [06:20:09] <Aditya1> ah ok
  • [06:20:34] <Aditya1> so use toolchain on PC -> compile through cross-compile -> stick executables on bb -> run on bb?
  • [06:20:43] <av500> Aditya1: I see no reason to write either arm or dsp code on the BB
  • [06:20:46] <CountDown> I'll continue to do horrible things to the bootloader tomorrow. G'night all.
  • [06:20:47] <ds2> if you want to do it in u-boot, why not just screw with the CM registers directly... it is "convenient"
  • [06:21:08] <av500> ds2: /dev/mem :)
  • [06:21:18] <ds2> no /dev/mem in kernel
  • [06:21:25] <av500> but them why have this bloated kernel at all
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  • [06:22:00] <av500> its not even stable for a day...
  • [06:22:06] <Aditya1> av500: What do you mean? there is another way to write apps? or you just mean you dont see a point to edit the source files on the bb itself
  • [06:22:40] <ds2> indeed
  • [06:23:44] <ds2> the more you see other code, the more you realize the rules/guidelines in the kernel are a good thing
  • [06:24:38] <ds2> av500: did you had the pleasure of looking at the earlier manufacture supplied kernels?
  • [06:28:06] <av500> ds2: ti ones?
  • [06:28:21] <av500> Aditya1: I see no point to edit on the BB
  • [06:28:32] <Aditya1> ok yeah
  • [06:28:33] <av500> the pc is much faster/better to edit/compile
  • [06:28:37] <ds2> av500: yes
  • [06:28:42] <av500> and you can prototype 99% on the PC as well
  • [06:28:56] <av500> even though I work on omap3, I work 90% on the PC actually
  • [06:29:09] <Aditya1> is there a way to actualyl setup the toolchain on the PC without having like an OE build going?
  • [06:29:11] <av500> ds2: I have seen a lot of them
  • [06:29:22] <Aditya1> (I just used the online builder to get my rootfs)
  • [06:29:32] <av500> Aditya1: yes, but why? oe will make you a nice toolchain
  • [06:29:41] <Aditya1> because OE fails to build :(
  • [06:29:47] <Aditya1> and no one at #oe seems to know why
  • [06:29:56] <crwper> Aditya1: How did the build fail?
  • [06:30:42] <crwper> (Just finished building everything myself, so I'm curious. Hope it's not too OT.)
  • [06:30:43] <Aditya1> ERROR: '/home/aditya/oe/openembedded/recipes/binutils/binutils-cross_2.18.50.0.7.bb' failed
  • [06:31:02] <Aditya1> there is no debugging info wit this one unfortunately :(
  • [06:31:09] <crwper> Hmm, not as informative as I'd hoped.
  • [06:31:14] <Aditya1> yeah
  • [06:31:27] <ds2> if you want informative, do not use OE
  • [06:31:35] <Aditya1> it failed in do_populate_staging
  • [06:31:40] <ds2> figure out the incantation to ./configure for gcc/binutils/etc
  • [06:32:01] <ds2> you will either outright fail or be very informed.
  • [06:32:51] <Aditya1> meh
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  • [06:38:32] <Aditya1> so there isn't a way to build applications for the bboard without having a wokring OE build
  • [06:38:33] <Aditya1> ?
  • [06:38:44] <av500> of course there is
  • [06:38:56] <Aditya1> av500: how?
  • [06:39:01] <crwper> Aditya1: CodeSourcery?
  • [06:39:44] <crwper> http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm
  • [06:40:10] <crwper> The "Getting Started" guide will get you started.
  • [06:40:50] <crwper> I'm pretty new to this, but have built a few simple programs this way on Ubuntu, then copied over to the BB.
  • [06:42:43] <Aditya1> and you've been able to use the DSP and such with it?
  • [06:43:01] <crwper> I have not used the DSP. 'Fraid I can't help you there.
  • [06:43:41] <Aditya1> and your image is a pre-compiled one?
  • [06:44:04] <crwper> It has been up until I started messing with u-boot. :-)
  • [06:44:24] <crwper> Just copied the compiled app straight from Ubuntu to the ext3 partition on my SD card.
  • [06:49:54] <Aditya1> hmm nifty
  • [06:49:59] <Aditya1> guess I should start somewhere
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  • [06:56:12] <Aditya1> so in the online image builder
  • [06:56:17] <Aditya1> I selected "beagleboard demos"
  • [06:56:24] <Aditya1> does anyone know where these go?
  • [06:56:30] <Aditya1> cuase I dont see anything in my rootfs
  • [06:56:38] <Aditya1> well anything that looks like a demo
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  • [07:18:57] <Beagle0> hi everyone after launching ti gstreamer application for video playback my socket calls to local process are failing. why is this happening??
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  • [07:42:47] <builder> Good morning everbody
  • [07:42:50] <builder> everybody
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  • [07:45:41] <builder> I've read a post http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/40b0161a4d3d64ef how to Patch to boot over USB cable . And I need to make u-boot.bin. (by make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- )So, what compiler do I need? OpenEmbedded or CodeSourcery?
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  • [07:47:38] <crwper> builder: I'm a bit new to this, but have been playing with building u-boot.
  • [07:47:42] <crwper> You'll need OE.
  • [07:48:24] <crwper> These are the directions that got me started:
  • [07:48:25] <crwper> http://wh1t3s.com/2009/05/07/modifying-and-rebuilding-u-boot/
  • [07:49:21] <crwper> (Though, I just realized, this method used bitbake, instead of make, so may not apply in your case.)
  • [07:51:08] <crwper> I'm off. Night, all.
  • [07:53:11] <builder> crwper, thank you very much. Good night
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  • [08:22:44] <builder> ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- . Are ARCH and CROSS_COMPILE standart make options , or it is something like PATH variables?
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  • [08:49:25] <av500> http://swiftbeagle.googlecode.com/files/beagleboard_project_hui_keji.pdf page 6 ftw!
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  • [08:57:23] <ynezz> soldering is for noobs
  • [08:57:40] <nitin> echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay1/enabled
  • [08:57:53] <nitin> does not enable video window 1
  • [08:58:11] <av500> ask your money back :)
  • [08:58:49] <nitin> av500: can you help me
  • [08:59:47] <av500> not really, my rev of dss2 does not have that /sys path
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  • [09:06:04] <nitin> tomba: can you help me with this
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  • [09:26:02] <mru> morning
  • [09:27:08] <av500> gm
  • [09:27:41] <mru> who are we trolling today?
  • [09:27:42] <tomba> nitin: you need to setup the framebuffer first
  • [09:28:35] <av500> tomba: the 2048 pixels of the VRFB is a "virtual" dimension only, no?
  • [09:28:56] <tomba> yes
  • [09:29:13] <av500> so why do ppl say VRFB needs so much more mem?
  • [09:29:17] <tomba> but not linux-framebuffer-virtual. just virtual =)
  • [09:30:07] <tomba> av500: it doesn't as such. but the memory needs to be mapped to userspace, which means we have to allocate as much "back-end" as it is possible for the user space to use, even when the user space uses the framebuffer in wrong way
  • [09:30:35] <tomba> memory mapping doesn't work on pixel basis =)
  • [09:31:43] <av500> as usual, users(pace) are to be blamed
  • [09:33:02] <tomba> or hardware. VRFB knows the exact size, but it doesn't restrict the access based on that.
  • [09:33:10] <tomba> kernel works fine!
  • [09:33:32] <av500> ok
  • [09:35:04] <tomba> DSS2 was merged =)
  • [09:36:30] <av500> \\\ooo///
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  • [09:39:27] <mru> tomba: will you be keeping new patches at the usual place?
  • [09:40:30] <tomba> mru: no, now I'll disappear, and never touch dss2 again!
  • [09:40:39] <av500> thats the spirit!
  • [09:40:57] <tomba> mru: yes, I'll keep the gitorious tree, and start adding new patches on top of the master branch
  • [09:41:13] <av500> no, start on a rewrite now!
  • [09:41:15] <mru> so no real change, just smaller patches
  • [09:41:46] <mru> tomba: oh, thanks for all the work on dss2
  • [09:42:00] <tomba> yes. and I talked with Imre just a minute ago, and I'll also take over the old driver. I hope nobody sends patches for that... =)
  • [09:42:22] <av500> i have a ton of them if you want, one uglier than the other :)
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  • [09:43:38] <tomba> my life got just so much easier, now that I don't have to carry on the half-a-megabyte patch set that touches lots of places, always having conflicts.
  • [09:44:05] <av500> tomba: thx for the work!
  • [09:44:36] <tomba> no need to thank, I got paid for it ;)
  • [09:45:02] <tomba> although not much, with these Nokia salaries...
  • [09:45:05] <mru> the TI people got paid for their junk too...
  • [09:46:05] <av500> I got paid to put junk on top of the junk :)
  • [09:46:44] <mru> you have no idea the amount of junk I got paid to make at the old job
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  • [10:00:53] <florian> good morning
  • [10:01:01] <av500> morche
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  • [10:02:32] <hrw> morning
  • [10:02:37] <mru> morning hrw, florian
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  • [10:26:15] <nitin> tomba: omapfb.vram=0:4M,1:4M,2:4M is right?
  • [10:27:27] <nitin> Actually at boot time I get "omapfb omapfb: failed to parse vram parameter"
  • [10:27:35] <nitin> /dev/fb0 sems to fine
  • [10:27:35] <mru> then it's not right
  • [10:27:50] <nitin> others did nit get memory allocated for them
  • [10:28:11] <mru> you don't normally need to pre-allocate memory nowadays
  • [10:28:13] <nitin> mru: what would be the right way if I want to enable all three of them
  • [10:28:23] <mru> what apps are you using?
  • [10:29:18] <nitin> trying to enable overlays thru sysfs as of now?
  • [10:29:28] <nitin> and trying to set their Alpha
  • [10:29:40] <nitin> I also used 4M,4M,4M
  • [10:29:48] <nitin> but that also gives me same error
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  • [10:31:04] <nitin> I did fbset -fb /dev/fb1 -xres 720 -yres 480 -vxres 720 -vyres 480
  • [10:31:05] <nitin> echo "1" > $ovl1/enabled
  • [10:31:16] <nitin> still the overlay 1 is not enables
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  • [10:36:37] <nitin> mru: any pointers?
  • [10:37:04] <tsaaps> hello all.
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  • [10:38:08] <tsaaps> i applied for membership in the BB group early this week, but don't seem to have been appoved yet. Did I do something wrong? Or is it normal?
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  • [10:38:45] <tomba> nitin: check the DSS2 documentation
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  • [10:42:33] <nitin> tomba: I will got thru it again
  • [10:42:50] <nitin> meanwhile is there a command to get the configuration like this
  • [10:42:51] <nitin> FB0 --- GFX -\ DVI
  • [10:42:51] <nitin> FB1 --- VID1 --+- LCD ---- LCD
  • [10:42:51] <nitin> FB2 --- VID2 -/ TV ----- TV
  • [10:43:06] <nitin> I mean to display a configuration in this format
  • [10:43:08] <tomba> that is the default configuration
  • [10:43:35] <tomba> if you mean a command to print it like that, no
  • [10:43:57] <nitin> Ok fine, That was just drwan in the DSS
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  • [10:44:42] <tomba> I think all you have to do to get overlays working is to 1) allocate memory, for example via fb's sysfs 2) configure the fb with fbset 3) enable the overlay
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  • [10:47:13] <nitin> tomba: thanks
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  • [10:47:54] <nitin> I will read the DSS again, try some things and then come back with any questions
  • [10:47:57] <suihkulokki> tomba: congrats for DSS2 merge =)
  • [10:48:47] <tomba> thanks =)
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  • [11:01:46] <nitin> tomba: I was able to enable the overlays
  • [11:02:00] <nitin> and set their global_alpha
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  • [13:57:49] <Crofton|work> http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/
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  • [14:05:52] <mru> die theora, DIE, DIE
  • [14:06:34] <mru> 640??360 24fps at slightly more than 100% speed
  • [14:06:35] <mru> lol
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  • [14:19:29] <djlewis> gm mru
  • [14:19:44] <djlewis> so is 640x360 someons idea of widescreen?
  • [14:19:58] <djlewis> someones
  • [14:20:00] <mru> it's my idea of a postage stamp
  • [14:20:05] <djlewis> hehee
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  • [14:20:50] <av500> i think it makes no uses of dsp hw accells...
  • [14:20:51] <djlewis> I'm gonna rip a postage stamp color display of an HP color printer for fun.
  • [14:21:14] <av500> I'm going to rip a HP color printer for fun.
  • [14:21:27] * mru thinks of Office Space and printers
  • [14:21:32] <mru> for fun
  • [14:21:59] <djlewis> gm av500 , yes that is more reasonable.
  • [14:22:13] <av500> having a deskjet 550C convinced me never to use an inkbased printer again...ever
  • [14:22:33] <djlewis> ever never, final and forget it!
  • [14:22:50] <djlewis> inkjet sucks for long term none use.
  • [14:23:08] <av500> given the money I spent on ink cartidges that just dried up while you looked at them, I could have had picasso make the images cheaper
  • [14:23:28] <av500> djlewis: inkjuet just sucks
  • [14:23:31] <djlewis> ooh, my daily Ubuntu security patches notice just popped up.
  • [14:23:58] <djlewis> yes but good color laser is too rich for my budget.
  • [14:24:27] * djlewis has a Samsung color laser sitting for 2 years that ran out of toner.
  • [14:24:51] <djlewis> toner costs more than laser printer like ink is to inkjets.
  • [14:25:13] <mru> if you need to print high-quality photos inkjet is probably better
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  • [14:25:23] <av500> at least you can leave it unused for 1 month :)
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  • [14:25:54] <djlewis> yep ;) I expect I might get some colour out of the Laser even now.
  • [14:26:10] <av500> it will burn in nice red and yellow tones
  • [14:26:12] <djlewis> If I shake the printer vigorously enough
  • [14:26:29] <mru> do colour lasers have one red, one green, and one blue laser?
  • [14:26:36] <djlewis> hehehe
  • [14:26:39] <djlewis> no
  • [14:26:51] <djlewis> yello, cyan, magenta
  • [14:26:56] <djlewis> black
  • [14:27:03] <av500> black laser, cool
  • [14:27:04] <av500> want one
  • [14:27:08] <djlewis> mix it all together and voila
  • [14:27:26] <av500> it projects highly convergent darkness
  • [14:27:44] <djlewis> cuts black holes
  • [14:28:26] <mru> is that what they're building at cern?
  • [14:28:45] <av500> no
  • [14:28:59] <av500> at cern they are building a reality changer
  • [14:29:02] <av500> and it works
  • [14:29:12] <mru> I assume they intend to bring it down in size at some point
  • [14:29:18] <mru> carrying around an alp is a bit inconvenient
  • [14:29:31] <av500> each time a fuse burns out there, we can do here things that were before physically impossible
  • [14:30:22] <djlewis> suppose they have a ups so they dont loose accelleration during a brownout?
  • [14:30:35] <mru> djlewis: this is europe
  • [14:30:39] <mru> we don't do brownouts
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  • [14:30:49] <av500> and I dont trust ups to deliver anything, least of all power
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  • [14:31:10] <av500> friday ftw!
  • [14:31:17] * djlewis is 60 miles from a Nuke plant and my power flickers all the time.
  • [14:31:40] <av500> 60 miles of telephone wire tend to wear out :)
  • [14:31:41] <mru> I haven't had a single glitch during the 4.5 years I've lived here
  • [14:31:50] <av500> mru: same here
  • [14:32:08] <djlewis> uh, yep, sure... what ever you two say ;)
  • [14:32:15] <av500> our paris office has them all the time though :)
  • [14:32:29] <av500> but them they too have a lot of nuke power...
  • [14:32:51] <mru> I never had problems in stockholm either
  • [14:32:58] <djlewis> if the wind gets over 5mph I get flickers.
  • [14:33:04] <mru> lots of nuclear there
  • [14:33:20] <av500> but less workers on strike :)
  • [14:33:23] * djlewis has ups's in most every room.
  • [14:33:49] * djlewis uses a laptop most time as it has built in ups.
  • [14:34:43] <djlewis> 100 miles another direction is a coal fired power plant.
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  • [14:35:45] <djlewis> I dont think our local power plants sell to our state. We get ours from Texas and Oklahoma
  • [14:35:56] <djlewis> while they get some from us. go figure...
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  • [14:52:31] <djlewis> gm prpplague
  • [14:52:47] <prpplague> djlewis: greetings
  • [14:52:53] <prpplague> djlewis: what's cookin today?
  • [14:53:26] <djlewis> prpplague: oh, more work at the office.
  • [14:53:36] <prpplague> djlewis: lovely
  • [14:53:44] <djlewis> yep.
  • [14:54:59] <djlewis> prpplague: you getting that trainer built?
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  • [14:57:33] <prpplague> djlewis: yea we have about 4 built up for testing, just haven't gotten around to going to production on it
  • [14:57:39] <prpplague> djlewis: hopefully next week
  • [14:59:53] <prpplague> djlewis: why you wanting one?
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  • [15:13:44] <djlewis> prpplague: I have a strong interest in one..
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  • [15:32:52] <CountDown> Will a u-boot.bin stored on the SD card honor the bootdelay value set in the bootargs environment variable? Or is that only honored if u-boot.bin has been flashed to NAND?
  • [15:34:45] <ojn> should be honored both ways
  • [15:36:27] <CountDown> Hmm. I can't get bootdelay to have any effect. Does this look correct?:
  • [15:36:28] <CountDown> setenv bootargs 'bootdelay=1 psplash=false console=ttyS2, 115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=2 rootfstype=ext2 rw omapdss.def_disp=tv omapfb.mode=tv:ntsc'
  • [15:37:09] <CountDown> All other bootargs seem to be having the expected effect.
  • [15:37:40] <adj> have you tried 'rootwait' instead of 'rootdelay=x'?
  • [15:38:16] <CountDown> No, not yet. Actually, I don't even know what rootdelay is for. What is that? Is it the same as bootdelay?
  • [15:38:58] <adj> rootdelay=x has been superseded with rootdelay. No idea what bootdelay is :)
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  • [15:39:28] <CountDown> adj: You mean superseded with rootwait?
  • [15:40:34] <adj> sorry, yep, exactly
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  • [15:42:05] <CountDown> I'm looking in the main.c of the u-boot I baked and I see:
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  • [15:42:09] <CountDown> #if defined(CONFIG_BOOTDELAY) && (CONFIG_BOOTDELAY >= 0)
  • [15:42:09] <CountDown> s = getenv ("bootdelay");
  • [15:42:09] <CountDown> bootdelay = s ? (int)simple_strtol(s, NULL, 10) : CONFIG_BOOTDELAY;
  • [15:43:49] <djlewis> bbl guys...
  • [15:43:55] <prpplague> djlewis: see /msg
  • [15:44:06] <djlewis> ok.. back
  • [15:44:48] <CountDown> digging through vsprintf.c now...
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  • [16:24:25] <CountDown> D'oh. bootdelay isn't a bootarg, it's its own environment variable.
  • [16:24:34] <av500> yes
  • [16:24:37] <CountDown> That took me way too long to figure out. :/
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  • [16:24:45] <av500> bootarg are for the kernel
  • [16:25:04] <CountDown> Yeah, that's totally obvious, but I just didn't think about it.
  • [16:25:28] <CountDown> But hey, now I really understand simple_strtoul. :)
  • [16:26:06] <CountDown> av500: What does rw (rootwait?) do?
  • [16:26:24] <av500> no idea
  • [16:26:48] <mru> rw means mount rootfs read/write
  • [16:26:52] <mru> you don't normally want that
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  • [16:31:30] <CountDown> mru: Why don't you normally want that?
  • [16:32:49] <mru> it's just a good idea to start read-only in case something is wrong
  • [16:33:00] <mru> you can't fsck a read/write filesystem
  • [16:33:35] <CountDown> And when you say rootfs, do you mean something like uImage on the FAT32 partition of the Beagle Board?
  • [16:33:50] <mru> when I say rootfs I mean rootfs
  • [16:33:55] <CountDown> Er, I guess that's the kernel.
  • [16:33:56] <mru> if I meant uimage I'd say uimage
  • [16:34:17] <CountDown> That's clear enough.
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  • [16:44:20] <Christos_N> Hi, question: has anyone tested the BB audio with angstrom regarding stereo channel L/R swapping upon xruns?
  • [16:45:58] <av500> no, but somebody lese here had the same issue
  • [16:46:00] <av500> iirc
  • [16:46:08] <av500> or that was you? :)
  • [16:47:54] <Christos_N> I asked before but didnt got an answer at the time
  • [16:48:03] <Christos_N> :-)
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  • [16:48:52] <av500> my conclusion it is dma handling in alsa driver
  • [16:48:57] <av500> that goes wrong
  • [16:49:18] <av500> but have to ask coworker again for exact cause
  • [16:49:20] <av500> monday
  • [16:50:11] <Christos_N> I did some extensive testing with arecord | aplay and always get L/R swapping..
  • [16:50:54] <Christos_N> btw, I also did the same test in avr32/ap7000 and got the same result too.. so it might be ageneric thing
  • [16:52:01] <av500> hmm
  • [16:53:35] * XorA has tested it
  • [16:53:35] <Christos_N> also did something 'heretic' :-) , tested wince on dk8k with waverec/wavplay and it was ok..
  • [16:53:49] <Christos_N> hi XorA !!
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  • [16:54:07] <XorA> I beleive lrg found a hardware bug with the omap3 audio
  • [16:54:07] <av500> heretic and useless
  • [16:54:44] <Christos_N> 8-)
  • [16:54:50] <XorA> I had omap3 working 99% of the time until nokia merged their audio patches then it all went wrong
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  • [16:55:28] <XorA> I dont think there is actually anything wrong with their patches
  • [16:55:37] <XorA> just they expose bugs in the hardware more
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  • [16:57:03] <av500> XorA: pointer to patches?
  • [16:58:25] <Christos_N> XorA: it was looking like some core part of the alsa dma did not kept a sequence of -first left-then right-L-R etc when it started
  • [16:59:10] <Christos_N> when it started, it started randonly on any channel
  • [17:00:45] <Christos_N> XorA: Hardware bug... the question is, can it be patched?
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  • [17:01:10] <Christos_N> and yet again, why does it work ok in WinCE?
  • [17:05:20] <XorA> Christos_N: if they dont use the fifo I think it doesnt show up-
  • [17:05:27] <XorA> nokia patches started to use the audio fifo for the first time
  • [17:06:02] <XorA> I think its pretty safe to say, arm designers suck at audio interfaces
  • [17:07:04] <XorA> probably better of on most devices just to hook up a usb audio chip
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  • [17:14:35] <CountDown> I'm running Angstrom and outputting NTSC to the s-video. The psplash screen and subsequent X windows all appear in the proper location, but a plain terminal and mplayer movies all appear shifted to the left by about 80 pixels. Is this a timing issue? Anyone else see this problem?
  • [17:17:54] * prpplague jokes with CountDown
  • [17:18:10] <prpplague> CountDown: maybe you don't have enough shielding for the chronotron particles in your area
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  • [17:18:50] <CountDown> My tachyon deflectors should filter out chronotrons, I thought.
  • [17:19:04] <CountDown> Unless my flux capacitor is shot, that is.
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  • [17:25:33] * Christos_N thinks that the LHC in Cern has affected many here..
  • [17:25:49] <ds2> p
  • [17:26:57] <mru> like that black hole over norway the other day
  • [17:27:05] <mru> russian missile is just a cover story
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  • [18:35:34] <mo_munich> hey guys
  • [18:35:55] <mo_munich> my beagle hdmi output just stoped working
  • [18:36:08] <mru> did you do something?
  • [18:36:12] <mo_munich> didn't change anything.
  • [18:36:23] <mo_munich> monitor just went energy saving
  • [18:36:39] <mo_munich> beagleboard is still working fine (ssh)
  • [18:37:04] <mru> maybe it's just the screen blanking
  • [18:37:23] <mo_munich> :-) unfortunately not
  • [18:37:43] <mru> how do you know?
  • [18:37:48] <mo_munich> did try everything
  • [18:37:50] <mru> what linux are you running?
  • [18:37:54] <mru> and what did you try?
  • [18:37:54] <mo_munich> did try different monitor
  • [18:37:57] <mo_munich> did reboot
  • [18:38:00] <mo_munich> everything
  • [18:38:15] <mru> reboot should have woken it up again
  • [18:38:23] <mo_munich> even the beagleboard logo doesn't show up (booting without sd card)
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  • [18:38:47] <mo_munich> no like i said, it seems the dvi chip is gone.
  • [18:39:26] <mo_munich> but in addition to that, i don't get an usb-tty interface when connecting usb-to miniusb cable to the usb otg port
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  • [18:39:58] <cool0crash> hi all
  • [18:40:09] <cool0crash> anyone ther?
  • [18:40:10] <CountDown> Anyone know which framebuffer is the TV out? Is it /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics/fb2?
  • [18:40:26] <mru> CountDown: it doesn't work like that
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  • [18:40:28] <CountDown> mo_munich: Is anything at all working? LEDs?
  • [18:40:31] <jkridner|work> mo_munich: can you pastebin your u-boot environment vars? USBTTY requires some specific vars.
  • [18:40:58] <mo_munich> CountDown: yes sure, i can do everything through ssh. just the output is gone -- and my usbtty
  • [18:40:59] <CountDown> mru: Ah. How does it work?
  • [18:41:12] <mru> read the documentation
  • [18:41:14] <CountDown> mo_munich: Oops, missed that part.
  • [18:41:23] <CountDown> mru: Sure. Where's the documentation?
  • [18:42:37] <mo_munich> CountDown: no problem.
  • [18:42:57] <cool0crash> hey i have a dumb question... I'm a beginner to work with beagleboard & i like programming the board with assembly language rather than using gpp compilers...
  • [18:43:18] <cool0crash> can you give me any suggesstions on where to start with?
  • [18:43:42] * prpplague wonders who will try to answer that question
  • [18:43:48] <Christos_N> 00000001
  • [18:43:55] <mru> cool0crash: do you know arm assembler already?
  • [18:44:00] <Christos_N> 00000010
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  • [18:45:05] <mo_munich> Any Ideas what to try to confirm the death of my dvi chip?
  • [18:45:07] <cool0crash> i was able to finish a project on ultrasound sonography using davinici 6446
  • [18:45:33] <cool0crash> i thought beagle board programming would also be similar
  • [18:45:37] <cool0crash> :P
  • [18:46:01] <mru> that doesn't answer the question
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  • [18:46:25] <CountDown> mo_munich: Do you have an oscilloscope available?
  • [18:47:16] <coldlava> anyone know what's the latest of gstreamer working with TI DSP on beagleboard
  • [18:50:56] <mo_munich> CountDown: yes i do
  • [18:51:40] <CountDown> mo_munich: I'd take a look at some of the DVI output lines then.
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  • [18:53:18] <mo_munich> CountDown: o_O sure it will confirm that something is wrong :-) i just wanted to know if anyone had heard of such strange thing happening
  • [18:53:47] <CountDown> mo_munich: Ah, in that case, just chalk it up to cosmic rays. Happens all the time.
  • [18:54:08] <CountDown> (or static discharge, or humidity, or over heating, or ...)
  • [18:54:47] <CountDown> Looks like frame buffer 0 is the one I'm looking for -- this mirrors the TV display: echo '1' > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics/fb0/mirror
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  • [18:56:11] <mru> probably caused by the lhc
  • [18:56:22] <CountDown> :)
  • [18:56:49] <CountDown> All those strange-strange universe destroying interactions are bound to affect DVI chips first.
  • [18:59:35] <DaMiEn667> I hate to ask here... anyone have a CLUE as to where I can get a devkit8000 2.6.29 kernel?
  • [19:00:26] <mru> you could build one I guess
  • [19:00:36] <_av500_> CountDown: I guess that x cares for rv overscan and plain term does not
  • [19:00:41] <_av500_> err, tv
  • [19:00:52] <_av500_> and mplayer in a video overlay neither
  • [19:00:54] <DaMiEn667> mru: I wouldn't be here if I hadn't already tried
  • [19:01:20] <_av500_> olverlay position can be fiddled with via sysfs or ioctls
  • [19:01:50] <CountDown> _av500_: Great, thanks for the pointers. Now just need to figure out what that means. ;)
  • [19:02:16] <_av500_> CountDown: well
  • [19:02:50] <mru> _av500_: you're not handing out null pointers again, are you?
  • [19:02:51] <_av500_> be lucky you only have svideo and dvi to support :)
  • [19:03:13] <CountDown> _av500_: Heck, I'm not even dealing with DVI!
  • [19:03:14] <_av500_> mru: I'm clever, I mapped a page to 0x0 so i dont have to debug my code...
  • [19:03:23] <CountDown> Just trying to get the oldest technology on the board to work. :)
  • [19:03:32] <_av500_> CountDown: and the most fun one :)
  • [19:03:43] <CountDown> The two are correlated.
  • [19:04:10] <ds2> got to be efficient...got to use the lowest addresses first to save the number bits
  • [19:04:11] <CountDown> _av500_: Do you have any pointers to using sysfs or ioctls?
  • [19:04:12] <ds2> ;)
  • [19:04:13] <mru> thou shalt not follow the null pointer, for chaos and madness await thee at its end
  • [19:04:32] <ds2> mru: tell that to the 6800/6502 folks ;)
  • [19:04:58] <_av500_> mru: when we went from homebrew with flat mapping to linux and mmu, there were quite a few null pointers to be found :)
  • [19:05:03] <mru> ds2: well, look what it got them
  • [19:05:38] <ds2> it got them software that worked in less then 256bytes!
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  • [19:05:45] <_av500_> CountDown: I have 4 dvi modes, lcd and pal+ntsc to fiddle with :)
  • [19:05:57] <mru> at the old job, I always ran with a hardware watchpoint from 0 to the first valid address
  • [19:06:32] <ds2> _av500_: I'd like to see all those active at once on the BB ;)
  • [19:07:30] <CountDown> _av500_: How do you suggest I fix the offset problem? RTFM is fine, but I don't even know which one to look at.
  • [19:07:38] <_av500_> ds2: did i mention pal and ntsc on both, the builtin venc and on the actual digital lcd interface via another chip
  • [19:07:59] <ds2> _av500_: hence the interest in seeing it all active ;)
  • [19:08:12] <_av500_> well, not al of the mat once
  • [19:08:25] <_av500_> gee, i cannot tzpe any more
  • [19:08:34] <Aditya1> is it normal for stuff in the OE build to fail but then sometimes just build fine if you run bitbake again?
  • [19:08:44] <ds2> fine, NTSC, LCD, and DVI... your choice of modes on the DVI =)
  • [19:08:45] <_av500_> Aditya1: lhc again
  • [19:08:55] <Aditya1> lhc?
  • [19:09:23] <_av500_> each time they blow a fuse, it affects space time and bitbake
  • [19:09:43] <_av500_> Aditya1: could be some download failed and worked on the next retry
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  • [19:10:01] <_av500_> ds2: it all works on our hw, so why not on bb?
  • [19:10:03] <Aditya2> ah ok
  • [19:10:29] <Aditya2> so I guess I should try retrying bitbake until the package fails with like a compile error or something?
  • [19:10:32] <ds2> _av500_: try it ;) I'd be mighty impressed
  • [19:11:01] <_av500_> ds2: not enuf time :)
  • [19:11:01] <CountDown> I'm looking in U-Boot's videomodes.c and seeing setting for upper, lower, right, and left margins. Do I want to find some comparable setting for the omapfb boot param, or should I be fixing this after I boot?
  • [19:11:26] <_av500_> CountDown: thats for dvi
  • [19:11:33] <_av500_> for ntsc the timing is pretty fixed
  • [19:11:45] <_av500_> since like the 50's
  • [19:12:30] <Aditya2> _av500_: is what I said somewhat valid?
  • [19:12:32] <CountDown> _av500_: Maybe my resolution is off?
  • [19:12:32] <mru> I met the guy who invented ntsc once
  • [19:12:37] <mru> or one of them, I suppose
  • [19:12:48] <Aditya2> nifty, where?
  • [19:12:56] <CountDown> Does he watch TV?
  • [19:12:56] <ds2> mru: did he have a straitjacket on and a rubber padded office?
  • [19:12:57] <_av500_> a graveyard?
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  • [19:13:06] <mru> at the Costa Mesa hilton
  • [19:13:20] <ds2> the costa mesa hilton is rubber padded?
  • [19:13:25] <mru> in the executive lounge
  • [19:13:30] <_av500_> ds2: why should he?
  • [19:13:55] <_av500_> when it was invented, it was what was possible, cannot blame them for specing out 1080p then...
  • [19:14:01] <ds2> it is such a fine and sane standarnd...
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  • [19:14:12] <_av500_> although just accepting pal would have helped
  • [19:14:26] <mru> pal came later
  • [19:14:30] <ds2> which PAL?
  • [19:14:32] <mru> and he readily admitted it was better
  • [19:14:41] <ds2> there are 4 flavors, IIRC
  • [19:14:43] <mru> the requirements when they made colour tv were almost impossible
  • [19:14:55] <_av500_> ds2: like ntsc flavors
  • [19:15:04] <mru> it was to use no more analogue bandwidth, and had to be compatible with b/w tv
  • [19:15:11] <_av500_> yep
  • [19:15:33] <_av500_> all in all having it survive for 40+ years is not bad
  • [19:15:40] <ds2> it wasn't a bad idea... I just question his sanity after doing the work for it
  • [19:15:44] <Aditya2> well its not really going anywhere either
  • [19:15:54] <Aditya2> its probably going to last a good 10 more years
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  • [19:16:30] <ds2> _av500_: AFAIK, there aren't that many flavors of NTSC.... with PAL you got PAL60, PAL50 and those two with the color stuff at 4MHz and a semi compat. version at 3.57MHz
  • [19:16:44] <_av500_> ds2: was never a problem for me :)
  • [19:16:52] <Aditya2> ds2: so if he actually talked to you in a sane manner, he might have not actually worked on ntsc? :P
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  • [19:17:29] <ds2> Adityas2: no. trying to figure out if he still has anything left or did NTSC suck it all out of him
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  • [19:18:40] <mru> well, I can't say for sure that he wasn't making it up
  • [19:18:48] <mru> but he did know how the stuff works
  • [19:18:58] <mru> and that's unusual for people of that age
  • [19:19:44] <Crofton|work> we say the same thing about young punks ....
  • [19:19:58] <CountDown> Hm, cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics/fb0/modes gives me U:720x482p-50 and I'm pretty sure this is a 640 x 480 monitor.
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  • [19:20:11] <_av500_> CountDown: ?
  • [19:20:23] <_av500_> i thought you are on svideo?
  • [19:20:35] <CountDown> I am.
  • [19:20:42] <_av500_> so, ntsc is 720x480
  • [19:20:46] <ds2> 720x482 is about right
  • [19:20:57] <CountDown> Ah, didn't know that. :)
  • [19:21:01] <_av500_> there is a reason for the +2 somewhere in the trm...
  • [19:21:05] <_av500_> i forgot
  • [19:21:06] <CountDown> I thought it was 640x480.
  • [19:21:13] <CountDown> OK!
  • [19:21:16] <ds2> though I thought it was more like 525
  • [19:21:17] <_av500_> well, for a start, it is analog
  • [19:21:29] <_av500_> so, it has only lines
  • [19:21:33] <CountDown> sure, but scan lines.
  • [19:21:34] <_av500_> and a bandwidth
  • [19:21:34] <CountDown> Yeah.
  • [19:21:37] <mru> ds2: 525 is the number of horizontal sync periods per frame
  • [19:21:45] <mru> including the vblank
  • [19:21:46] <_av500_> the effective res is about 640x480
  • [19:21:58] <CountDown> Ah, maybe that's where I got that from.
  • [19:22:52] <CountDown> Well, 720-640=80, which is about how many pixels I seem to be off by. Is that a coincidence?
  • [19:22:52] <mru> I'd say effective res is much less than that
  • [19:22:58] <mru> 320x240 or so
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  • [19:23:07] <_av500_> CountDown: no
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  • [19:23:25] <_av500_> 720x480 is not square pixels, 640x480 is
  • [19:23:41] <_av500_> mru: not that bad
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  • [19:23:47] <CountDown> _av500_: What do you mean by square pixels?
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  • [19:24:02] <mru> I want round pixels
  • [19:24:04] <_av500_> i mean its time for a wikipedia break :)
  • [19:24:06] <CountDown> Oh, you mean pixels of equal height and width?
  • [19:24:11] <_av500_> yep
  • [19:24:18] <_av500_> or tv tech 101
  • [19:24:34] <CountDown> Actually, my favorite is www.lmgtfy.com.
  • [19:24:55] <_av500_> google kell factor for fun
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  • [19:25:14] <ds2> mru: ah...gotcha...hw vs software thing
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  • [19:26:02] <ds2> 525 is the number I remember having to hardware into the counters
  • [19:27:36] <ds2> come to think of it, presenting a 720x525 fb might actually be useful
  • [19:28:24] <_av500_> ds2: yes, you can put stuff into line 21
  • [19:28:34] <ds2> _av500_: *nod*
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  • [19:28:48] <_av500_> but there should be hw for that in the omap3
  • [19:29:10] <_av500_> CC, WSS, etc..
  • [19:29:57] <_av500_> and if you get the real secret TRM, you can turn on macrovision too :)
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  • [19:30:11] <ds2> bah...who in the world needs that
  • [19:30:23] * _av500_ listen to black helicopters
  • [19:30:42] <ds2> pure NTSC out..no funny stuff with syncs
  • [19:30:49] <_av500_> ds2: easy, paranoid broadcast world customers...
  • [19:31:39] <_av500_> as in: "hmm, the product has a lcd and tvout, cant we remove both for extra safety..."
  • [19:33:11] <mru> if they're so paranoid, why don't they just STOP BROADCASTING?
  • [19:33:17] <mru> it would save everybody lots of trouble
  • [19:33:48] <_av500_> mru: you worked for them :)
  • [19:33:53] <_av500_> so why didnt they..
  • [19:34:20] <_av500_> of course, the product will still show ads..
  • [19:34:36] <mru> yeah
  • [19:34:52] <CountDown> phew.
  • [19:34:56] <mru> they're shoving ads everywhere now
  • [19:35:05] <mru> like in the programme guide
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  • [19:37:39] <Aditya2> _av500_: Just wanted to make sure, if bitbake fails without any compile errors... like it fails in configure or something, can I just rerun it? because of all that multithread issue stuff you talked about?
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  • [19:40:20] <_av500_> wasnt talking about multithread
  • [19:40:37] <_av500_> im not bitb expert at all
  • [19:43:25] <ds2> blah
  • [19:43:35] <mru> foo
  • [19:43:52] <ds2> now you are wasting time learning about a tool that is suppose to save you time...why not invest that time in learning how to do it directly ?
  • [19:44:47] <Aditya2> ds2: what do you mean?
  • [19:45:14] <mru> he means he doesn't like OE
  • [19:45:17] <ds2> Aditya2: OE is a bunch of scripts that is suppose to make it easier... that has obviously failed.
  • [19:45:32] <ds2> so rather then learning a tool to use a tool, why not just go directly there
  • [19:45:38] <mru> koen and Crofton swear by it..
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  • [19:46:07] <ds2> stop fighting your tools unless your whole goal is to work on the tools
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  • [19:46:22] <Aditya2> I mean I dont really mind doing more work if the direct way will actually work
  • [19:46:29] <Aditya2> I just need some direction
  • [19:46:38] <Aditya2> are there guides to do this directly?
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  • [19:47:03] <ds2> you mean step by step spoon feeding? no. there are manuals...there is source
  • [19:47:31] <Crofton> Aditya1, you should be able to restart it it after a failure
  • [19:47:41] <Crofton> assuming you fixed something
  • [19:47:55] <Aditya2> Crofton: that's what I am doing now, it seems to go past packages that "failed" before that way
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  • [19:48:13] <Crofton> if the fix introduces a change during a step that succeeded, you may need to clean the recipe in question
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  • [19:48:16] <Crofton> what are you trying to build?
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  • [19:48:40] <Aditya2> Crofton: atleast so far, nothing's failed with error messages... the recipe just fails during configure or populate_staging(w/e that means)
  • [19:48:56] <Aditya2> and all it says is that it failed... no idea what failed exactly
  • [19:49:01] <mru> why do people always insist on guides for everything?
  • [19:49:04] <mru> where's the fun in that?
  • [19:49:06] <Aditya2> Crofton: Trying to build angstrom
  • [19:49:06] <Crofton> can you pastebin the messages?
  • [19:49:16] <Aditya2> stable 2009
  • [19:49:20] <Aditya2> yah, one sec
  • [19:49:30] <Crofton> what did you ask bitbake to build?
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  • [19:50:24] <CountDown> _av500_: OK, my wikipedia break was somewhat fruitful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_aspect_ratio) and I then found /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics/fb0/virtual_size was set to 720x482. I changed it to 640x480, but that moved the right and bottom margins, so I'm still offset. I need to find where to change the aspect ratio, not the dimensions, yes?
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  • [19:51:37] <_av500_> hmm, acutally i forgot how dss handles the square vs non square pixels stuff
  • [19:51:41] <Aditya2> Crofton: base-image along with console and x11
  • [19:51:54] <Aditya2> Crofton: following the getting started guide on the angstrom website
  • [19:51:54] <_av500_> or if that can be configured
  • [19:51:58] <Crofton|work> I assume machine is beagleboard?
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  • [19:52:16] <_av500_> in the past ti chips had the option to convert
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  • [19:53:42] <Aditya2> Crofton|work: yes
  • [19:53:48] <Aditya2> beagleboard
  • [19:53:55] <Aditya2> also that last time it failed with actual error messages
  • [19:53:57] <Aditya2> here is the output
  • [19:54:04] <Aditya2> http://pastebin.com/m38d64513
  • [19:54:15] <Aditya2> my distro is ubuntu 9.04
  • [19:54:41] <Crofton|work> boy, thats an exciting failure
  • [19:54:52] <Aditya2> .. is that sarcasm?
  • [19:54:58] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [19:55:07] <Crofton|work> no, I haven't seen that one before
  • [19:55:20] <Crofton|work> I was hoping for something I could answer easily
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  • [19:55:54] <Aditya2> hmm
  • [19:56:05] <Aditya2> well that kind of sucks then
  • [19:56:08] <Crofton|work> can you post that in #oe
  • [19:56:17] <Crofton|work> and mention ubuntu 9.04
  • [19:56:38] <Crofton|work> it is failing trying to build a native recipe\
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  • [19:57:14] <Aditya2> Crofton|work: I am also trying the online image builder
  • [19:57:21] <CountDown> Aditya2: I just built Angstrom on my 9.04 machine for the beagleboard yesterday. No problems.
  • [19:57:22] <Aditya2> have you used that?
  • [19:57:38] <CountDown> I've used the image builder as well. Both worked fine.
  • [19:57:49] <CountDown> What version of Python are you running?
  • [19:57:51] <Aditya2> CountDown: do you have any notes? Did you just follow the guide?
  • [19:58:21] <CountDown> Aditya2: Which guide are you looking at?
  • [19:59:04] <Aditya2> This time I was following the guide on angstrom's site
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  • [19:59:20] <Aditya2> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [19:59:22] <Aditya2> that
  • [19:59:26] <Aditya2> also my python version is 2.6.2
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  • [19:59:48] <Aditya2> CountDown: Do you write applications for the images you built from the online builder?
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  • [20:00:03] <CountDown> Aditya2: Also, what are you really trying to do? Do you need to modify the code or do you just want to see something running?
  • [20:00:12] <CountDown> I'm also using 2.6.2.
  • [20:00:23] <Aditya2> My end goal is to write applications that use the DSP
  • [20:00:37] <Aditya2> mostly vision and speech processing
  • [20:00:46] <CountDown> Can't help you much there. I just want to play some videos and customize the splash screens.
  • [20:00:54] <Aditya2> hmm
  • [20:01:07] <Aditya2> yeha the image from the online builder works fine for the most part
  • [20:01:10] <Aditya2> like the internet works
  • [20:01:16] <Aditya2> and I can load the dsplink modules and whatever
  • [20:01:19] <CountDown> In any case, I just followed the same guide you did.
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  • [20:01:32] <CountDown> What directory did you place OE in?
  • [20:01:38] <Aditya2> but I dont know what to do afterwards, like building any apps for it seems to require OE build
  • [20:01:53] <Aditya2> /home/{user}/OE
  • [20:02:01] <CountDown> Me too.
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  • [20:02:37] <CountDown> Did the sanity checker warn you about anything?
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  • [20:04:03] <Aditya2> nope
  • [20:04:08] <Aditya2> actualy
  • [20:04:17] <Aditya2> if you have used the image from the online builder
  • [20:04:52] <Aditya2> I selected "beagleboard demos" on the online builder
  • [20:05:14] <Aditya2> but I cant for the life of me figure out where the hell tehy are
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  • [20:05:32] <CountDown> Where what are?
  • [20:05:49] <Aditya2> the so called beagleboard demos
  • [20:05:57] <Aditya2> if you go to the online image builder for angstrom
  • [20:06:05] <Aditya2> one of the package optinos is "beagleboard demos"
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  • [20:06:20] <Crofton> hmmm
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  • [20:08:01] <Crofton> not sure what is in that
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  • [20:16:18] <Aditya2> CountDown: How did you play videos and stuff?
  • [20:16:27] <Aditya2> just copy over regular AVI files and use gst-launch?
  • [20:16:33] <CountDown> mplayer
  • [20:16:48] <CountDown> I loaded all my files onto the SD card into /home/root.
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  • [20:16:59] <CountDown> gstreamer is available, but I haven't messed with it.
  • [20:17:24] <Aditya2> hmm k
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  • [20:20:39] <jkridner|work> looking to start the next lightning talks at 7AM Central time. Should be Europe friendly.
  • [20:20:51] <jkridner|work> Won't be Pacific coast friendly. :)
  • [20:21:54] <prpplague> jkridner|work: will it be alligator friendly?
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  • [20:24:53] <jkridner|work> where do the alligators live and what is their network/phone access like?
  • [20:26:07] <prpplague> jkridner|work: probably florida and australia, i'm guessing the ones in australia have government subsidized net access
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  • [20:28:14] <Aditya2> lightning talk?
  • [20:30:33] <mru> the Word of Thor
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  • [20:31:08] <Crofton|work> Aditya1, short talks on beagle related topics
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  • [20:43:01] <jkridner|work> Aditya2: http://tinyurl.com/etechlightning
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  • [21:07:08] <awozniak> anyone familiar with linux CONFIG_LEDS_OMAP_PWM ?
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  • [21:23:17] <djlewis_> hi guys
  • [21:23:26] <mru> hi djlewis_
  • [21:24:18] <sakoman> hey djlewis_
  • [21:25:34] <trelane> sakoman, your sources are far better than the gumstix stuff
  • [21:25:45] <trelane> any chance of talking you into revving GPSd to 3.90?
  • [21:25:48] <_av500_> djlewis_: gm
  • [21:27:58] <prpplague> _av500_: ended up going with dss2 anyway
  • [21:28:24] <_av500_> see
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  • [21:29:06] <prpplague> _av500_: still having a few problems setting up my panel, but it will work itself out
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  • [21:33:00] <sakoman> trelane: I don't have any gps hw to test with
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  • [21:34:56] <djlewis_> :) so busy today here ...
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  • [21:43:40] <_av500_> /win 12
  • [21:43:42] <_av500_> oops
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