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[00:55:15] <viridior> success with Neuvoo-0.2.1-rc2-minimal on the Touch Book (and Beagleboard), uploading a video now on YouTube, ill drop the link when its done
[00:57:14] <viridior> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXNmbzEWHkE
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[01:40:44] <jkridner|work> cool.
[01:41:09] <jkridner|work> have you tried to emerge anything large yet directly on the touchbook?
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[01:41:55] <bobkatzz> hey! - good evening all!
[01:42:02] <jkridner|work> howdy!
[01:42:07] <viridior> jkridner|work: not yet, i have squashfs images here: http://neuvoo.org/gentoo/snapshots/ I am using the Angstrom kernel on the BB and AI kernel on the TB, both are 2.6.29+ so i think squashfs is supported
[01:42:13] <viridior> bobkatzz: hey
[01:42:14] <bobkatzz> I've been seriously AWOL
[01:42:27] <bobkatzz> new job hehe
[01:42:39] <jkridner|work> we
[01:42:51] <jkridner|work> we'll let you back without a court marshal.
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[01:43:56] <bobkatzz> hehe I've already logged 26 hurs since yesterday this week B^)
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[01:44:00] <bobkatzz> hours
[01:44:41] <bobkatzz> hey jkridner|work did you hear? my BeagleBrick Team got a Senior Design Award at Rose-Hulman
[01:45:08] <bobkatzz> a nice healthy check from TI ;P
[01:45:13] <jkridner|work> no, I missed that. fantastic!
[01:45:53] <bobkatzz> yeah they got 2 beagleboards and two SR6.3's talking togheter over an antenuator pad on 10 meters
[01:46:30] <bobkatzz> they wrote the Linux software that controls the I2C for the USB to the Si570 on the SoftRocks
[01:46:34] <bobkatzz> Kewl!!
[01:46:51] <bobkatzz> great kids
[01:47:09] <bobkatzz> they call me every Monday night and give a status report
[01:47:24] <bobkatzz> they're on break this week though
[01:48:05] <bobkatzz> huh?
[01:48:17] <bobkatzz> what's CTCP?
[01:48:34] <jkridner|work> you in the right window?
[01:49:14] <bobkatzz> also I won the kit competition which was part of the impetus for the BeagleBrick and now I'm on the 2 meter nets on my Icom 2200H which was the prize
[01:50:02] <bobkatzz> so all in all it's been a very rewarding effort - and thanks so much to everyone in here that helped with my lame-brained questions
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[01:50:28] <bobkatzz> what window?
[01:51:17] <bobkatzz> Yikes - I just delivered 65 watts to the net :P
[01:51:31] <bobkatzz> gotta reprogram that channel hehe
[01:52:00] <bobkatzz> can't do that in here unless YOU DO THIS - I GUESS B^)
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[01:52:18] <bobkatzz> how's koen? what's he up to?
[01:52:38] <jkridner|work> koen got an internship with TI.
[01:52:54] <jkridner|work> he's around the IRC channel quite frequently.
[01:53:37] <bobkatzz> yeah i heard that - that's great
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[01:54:31] <bobkatzz> yeah i've been logging a lot of time on my new job which was supposed to have me commuting 114 miles each way to work in Northern VA
[01:55:02] <bobkatzz> but they didn't have a PC for me or software - so I just work at home for now which is great
[01:56:00] <bobkatzz> it's very interesting work developing collaborative software - like a whiteboard ++ using Flash Media Server
[01:56:19] <bobkatzz> which basically rocks
[01:56:35] <bobkatzz> where's prpplague_afk
[01:56:53] <bobkatzz> and DJWillis ??
[01:56:54] <jkridner|work> afk. :)
[01:57:05] <jkridner|work> it is pretty late for all those guys to be on.
[01:57:20] <bobkatzz> hehe
[01:57:53] <bobkatzz> how bout ds2? and sakoman they're in CA right?
[01:58:03] <jkridner|work> yup.
[01:58:19] <jkridner|work> they might chime in now that you've pinged them.
[01:58:59] <jkridner|work> the channel is usually pretty dead about this time. people at dinner or asleep.
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[01:59:30] <bobkatzz> I hacked a used PC power supply for my Icom mobile unit - it delivers 500 watts of 12v, 5v, and 3.3 v superclean power - for free
[02:00:36] <bobkatzz> a nice little pot inside let me kick it up to 12.8 even though the radio likes 13.8 - but I doubt that my car delivers that from the battery so anyway - it seems happy
[02:01:12] <jkridner|work> is that a HAM unit?
[02:01:30] * jkridner|work still hasn't gotten a HAM radio.
[02:01:38] <bobkatzz> I just brought all the 12v wires to a terminal strip and ganged them together then tied that to the radio cable
[02:01:44] <jkridner|work> I think the certification is a lot easier these days.
[02:01:51] <bobkatzz> yeah Icom 2200H
[02:02:18] <bobkatzz> yeah I have my General ticket (taought the class this semester)
[02:02:32] <bobkatzz> 2 out of 3 is not bad hehe
[02:02:48] <bobkatzz> I told them to hammer the online tests
[02:02:57] <bobkatzz> and the 2 that did passed
[02:03:13] <bobkatzz> the other one missed by one question
[02:03:26] <bobkatzz> ruined my perfect record heh
[02:03:41] <bobkatzz> I taught Tech last year
[02:04:25] <bobkatzz> as I will this year - general's no fun - I like working with folks who don't know how realy amazing RF is
[02:04:56] <bobkatzz> in general they just wanna pass the test - not learn anything hehe
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[02:05:44] <ds2> yeah... no code
[02:05:44] <ds2> answer a quiz based on questions that are published with the answers
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[02:06:43] <ds2> add a fast ADC and DAC and the BB can become a QRP rig
[02:07:57] <bobkatzz> absolutely
[02:08:12] <ds2> toss in a few diodes and you have a N0N mode beacon on 2M
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[02:08:54] <bobkatzz> send me a diagram - I'll build it :P
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[02:10:31] <ds2> do you know a simple way of doing SSB/AM/CW using integer math? I seem to recall there was something called CORDIC or similar to demod those
[02:10:42] <davidwang> someone said C4 will be delivered
[02:10:51] <bobkatzz> some guy was sending bicycle icons on Hellschrieber the other day hehe - there's arcane for ya!
[02:11:57] <bobkatzz> I'd go for a Samoan Arm band tattoo!!
[02:12:14] <bobkatzz> on Hellschreiber that is :P
[02:12:22] <Brainy142> I'd go for a beagleboard netbook :D
[02:12:41] <jkridner|work> Brainy142: Like an Always Innovating Touch Book?
[02:12:59] <Brainy142> hmm...
[02:13:07] <ds2> Just build one!
[02:13:24] <Brainy142> me + build = fail lol
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[02:14:34] <Brainy142> the sad thing is the beagleboard is better than the wii on linux lol
[02:16:25] <Brainy142> wait I'm a moron, all I'd need is a screen (some way to power the screen) and a usb power supplyer thing
[02:16:44] <bobkatzz> ds2 - et al - don't know if I told you but my PC had a melt down and I lost access to my 500G drive with all my OE development (4 months worth) and my Beagle Ham Image on it
[02:17:03] <ds2> the screen problem is in theory solved but #@$@!#@#$$#!@(*$#&@!*(# parts ain;t available :(
[02:17:20] <bobkatzz> fortunately I had uploaded it to my web site for folks to dwonload and so I became one of them hehe
[02:17:20] <Brainy142> too bad about your pc
[02:17:28] <Brainy142> lol
[02:17:40] <Brainy142> back-ups for the win
[02:17:42] <ds2> bobkatzz: "cloud backup" ;)
[02:18:06] <bobkatzz> well I finally found out that the drive is fine and all the info is still there but for some reason my PC will not read it any more
[02:18:36] <Brainy142> have you tried a different pc?
[02:18:48] <bobkatzz> my older son thinks it's the drivers - it's his old box and it had some kind of funky raid system on it
[02:19:09] <bobkatzz> yeah the different PC worked
[02:19:21] <Brainy142> might be drivers or maybe fryed cable?
[02:20:14] <bobkatzz> so when he comes out for Xmas I guess he'll get that working
[02:20:36] <bobkatzz> no fried cables
[02:20:49] <Brainy142> what do you mean the "screen" problem is solved?
[02:21:58] <ds2> or a fried IDE controller
[02:22:09] <Brainy142> true
[02:22:23] <ds2> Brainy142: LCD/touch screen interface boards are available
[02:22:28] <ds2> or were ;)
[02:23:05] <Brainy142> lol
[02:23:28] <Brainy142> now all I would need is to actually be able to build stuff...
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[02:24:26] <ds2> with a screen, all you really need to build is a case and a power supply
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[02:24:37] <ds2> you can buy 5V battery power supplies off the shelf
[02:24:48] <bobkatzz> they don't go well with burgers
[02:24:54] <Brainy142> lol burgers
[02:25:07] <ds2> throw together something out of carved wood and you have a netbook
[02:25:14] <ds2> or make a case out of legos :D
[02:25:22] <ds2> or tinker toys
[02:25:23] <Brainy142> lol legos
[02:25:36] <Brainy142> hmm... seams to be more expensive to build...
[02:25:37] <bobkatzz> I'll check that out right now - that's the next phase of the BeagleBrick project
[02:25:50] <ds2> create and build.... have fun at it
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[02:26:17] <ds2> bobkatzz: evrytime you say that I think of boat anchors
[02:26:17] <bobkatzz> my chat's not scrolling - wierd
[02:26:20] <Brainy142> I'd make mine a tablet
[02:26:30] <bobkatzz> hey I've got a bunch of those
[02:26:38] <bobkatzz> SB-101 NC300
[02:27:04] <Brainy142> sad thing is the beagle board has a better gpu than my computer *crys*
[02:27:13] <bobkatzz> HW-7
[02:27:36] <bobkatzz> yeah ain't that just the cat's pajamas?
[02:27:46] <bobkatzz> (?)
[02:28:21] <Brainy142> although my cpu is better :)
[02:28:21] <ds2> how high of a voltage are the plate supplies on those?
[02:28:41] <ds2> Brainy142: better at keeping you warm and cozy in the winter?
[02:28:44] <bobkatzz> the SB-101?
[02:28:51] <ds2> either of those
[02:28:58] <bobkatzz> not sure but one has to be very careful
[02:29:10] <bobkatzz> that's why I like QRP hehe
[02:29:11] <Brainy142> no my xbox 360 does that ds2
[02:29:12] <ds2> trying to figure out if the space charged technology drifted over to the ham stuff
[02:29:44] <bobkatzz> have you all seen the "triode" youTube?
[02:29:55] <ds2> the home made one?
[02:30:02] <bobkatzz> you gotta watch it - it's 17 min long but a real hoot!!
[02:30:13] <bobkatzz> yeah - French
[02:30:20] <ds2> saw that before
[02:30:42] <ds2> but then I went through the same thing with a transistor before ;)
[02:31:20] <Brainy142> the 300 for the touchbook doesn't seem that bad now :)
[02:31:31] <ds2> heheheh
[02:31:40] <Brainy142> but then again.... I could get a netbook for that price.....
[02:33:16] <Brainy142> does the beagleboard just run the apps from the ubuntu arm respitory?
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[02:37:33] <bobkatzz> ds2 - my Christmas project - http://www.klikhome.com/dwgs/reel005.jpg
[02:37:40] <bobkatzz> http://www.klikhome.com/dwgs/reel006.jpg
[02:37:45] <bobkatzz> http://www.klikhome.com/dwgs/reel007.jpg
[02:38:07] <bobkatzz> reel-y fun!
[02:38:24] <Brainy142> what program do you use for 3d
[02:38:44] <bobkatzz> Rhino 4
[02:38:56] <bobkatzz> the parts are being cut out this week
[02:39:07] <bobkatzz> lasered out of 6061 T6
[02:39:18] <bobkatzz> then glass tumbled
[02:39:37] <bobkatzz> then sent to Hillock Anodizers in Philly
[02:40:04] <bobkatzz> for some outrageous colors
[02:40:16] <Brainy142> how does it compare to 3ds max 7?
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[02:41:44] <bobkatzz> well 3D Max is an animation program but does good rendering too - but Maya and Lighwave are better
[02:42:05] <bobkatzz> I think Lightwave got absorbed by some other group
[02:42:27] <bobkatzz> Blender rocks if you've got 3 years for the learning curve hehe
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[02:42:45] <Brainy142> 3 yrs man by that time a new program will be out...
[02:43:05] <bobkatzz> I was trained at AutoDesk in 3DMax in '97
[02:43:34] <bobkatzz> has not essentially changed since then
[02:43:50] <bobkatzz> just more "features" B^)
[02:43:51] <Brainy142> I'm learning 3ds at my high school
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[02:43:59] <bobkatzz> kewl
[02:44:34] <bobkatzz> I did 20+ Circuit City Express Stores with that and the first 5 CarMax stores
[02:44:43] <bobkatzz> all the fixtures and interiors
[02:44:52] <Brainy142> nice
[02:44:58] <Brainy142> I'm making joan of arc
[02:45:02] <bobkatzz> lots of fun
[02:45:13] <bobkatzz> heh
[02:45:25] <bobkatzz> I held myself in check :P
[02:45:57] <bobkatzz> so- a full body model? that's pretty huge
[02:46:07] <ds2> the non parametric style of Rhino can get irritating
[02:46:37] <bobkatzz> I took 8 semesters of figure drawing and I don't think I'd want to tackle that :)
[02:46:45] <Brainy142> Right now I'm making the body
[02:46:51] <bobkatzz> yeah but nurbs rule !!
[02:47:07] <bobkatzz> 3 lines and you've got a Farrari
[02:47:23] <bobkatzz> + two boolean subtractions
[02:47:25] <Brainy142> all I need to do is the torso, bust, hair, face,
[02:47:31] <Brainy142> oh and arms
[02:47:42] <bobkatzz> I could use those as well hehe :P
[02:47:43] <ds2> yes but if you want to go back and play with different sizes....
[02:48:21] <Brainy142> lol
[02:48:41] <bobkatzz> parametrics are like sticking your hand down your throat to scratch your ass - it works - but it's painful :P
[02:49:04] <Brainy142> then I'm not sure but I might be doing clothing after
[02:49:12] <bobkatzz> but there are times that it's really necessary
[02:49:33] <bobkatzz> hey tone it down over there Brainy
[02:49:41] <bobkatzz> :P
[02:49:53] <Brainy142> lol
[02:50:45] <bobkatzz> hmmm I must not have the right PL tones for the repeater tonight - usually it "chortles" back to you when you key down
[02:50:58] <bobkatzz> and I can't get a response
[02:51:10] <bobkatzz> sometimes they turn those off
[02:51:26] <bobkatzz> and go simplex (not as in Herpes)
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[02:54:35] <bobkatzz> ok guys - time to call it a night - been loggin some haevy hours and now that the delivery date has been met I think I'll go to beddy bye early for the first time in 2 weeks hehe
[02:54:57] <bobkatzz> catch you all on the flip side :P
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[02:55:10] <bobkatzz> stay out of trouble ds2
[02:55:31] <Brainy142> have a good day
[02:55:51] <bobkatzz> you too - good luck on your ambitious project
[02:56:11] <bobkatzz> my son's doing an iPhone game so I know how it is
[02:56:34] <bobkatzz> good luck
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[04:16:39] <NWL_BB> I don
[04:17:12] <NWL_BB> I don't know if Im doing this properly but is this a chat where I can ask questions about the beagleboard?
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[04:32:37] <Beagle1> I came across specs for the beagle board, and the last time i worked with a portable processor was highschool. i would like to make a tiny desktop to stream web content for my living room. is this possible?
[04:33:44] <Beagle1> i have read that angstrom has a web browser as part of the image, does that version of mozilla suport Flash?
[04:34:35] <Beagle1> Thanks and please forgive the elementary questions.
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[04:37:53] <djlewis> Beagle1: hi
[04:43:49] <Beagle1> hi djlewis
[04:44:10] <djlewis> streaming content, huh?
[04:44:33] <Beagle1> yeah, and please let me know if im in over my head. i have not touched anything like this since highschool
[04:44:34] <djlewis> Flash is not quite there for BB yet.
[04:45:11] <djlewis> But streaming content like movies and music is doable.
[04:45:15] <Beagle1> maybe have to wait for Flash support on Android perhaps?
[04:45:34] <Beagle1> Yeah streaming movies and music would be perfect.
[04:45:47] <djlewis> that is a simple file server.
[04:45:58] <djlewis> I dont think MythTV isup yet.
[04:46:32] <djlewis> I expect you want to do it gui style where BB is the control center?
[04:47:07] <djlewis> select from menus and tada...
[04:47:24] <GrizzlyAdams> does it still need X ?
[04:47:34] <djlewis> only project for BB I know of is the James project.
[04:47:51] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: hi dude.
[04:48:06] * GrizzlyAdams is a lurking ninja
[04:48:28] <Beagle1> Not quite sure, I was thinking i can use the board as a minidesktop, fanless, that i can attach to my tv.
[04:48:31] <djlewis> What? not out wrestling grizzly's?
[04:48:35] <Beagle1> Didnt think past that yet.
[04:48:47] <djlewis> Beagle1: true
[04:49:16] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: I used to enjoy that tv show, btw.
[04:49:21] <GrizzlyAdams> heh
[04:49:25] <Beagle1> I can put movies and music on a flash drive and play it on the beagleboard, out to the tv
[04:49:39] <djlewis> or a hard drive on usb
[04:49:50] <Beagle1> yes.
[04:50:02] <djlewis> I have hooked a laptop drive to mine and watched movies.
[04:50:14] <Beagle1> yeah, that
[04:50:32] <Beagle1> is what i was thinking.
[04:50:34] <djlewis> sakoman__: has used a dvd player on the usb and watches movies.
[04:51:01] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm gonna go get a usb hdd tomorrow, been borrowing a 120gb from my xbox 360 (yes i backed up the bits that says its a microsoft approved drive :P)
[04:51:16] <djlewis> It would be simple to come up with a gui catalog / menu system
[04:52:09] <Beagle1> so before i pull the trigger i check with the experts to see if im in over my head. i know i can just buy a computer but i want to build something. something tiny.
[04:52:11] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: heh, i'm sorta making a gui catalog menu for my arcade project
[04:52:41] <djlewis> the shoot everything that moves ans ask questions later game :)
[04:52:43] <GrizzlyAdams> i just gotta fiddle with directfb again
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[04:53:29] <djlewis> Beagle1: gumstix is even tinier ;)
[04:53:54] <Beagle1> 3X3 inch little box, Svideo out to TV, plug in stereo speakers, all in 1 little guy for 150.
[04:54:11] <djlewis> plus accessories.
[04:54:20] <Beagle1> gumstix requies the palo board attachement....which brings us to over 200, nettop price.
[04:54:35] <djlewis> just a tiny reference :)
[04:54:43] <GrizzlyAdams> 320gb for $50... too good to pass
[04:54:54] <djlewis> BB will drive hdmi monitors/TV's
[04:55:14] <Beagle1> i was looking at gumstix too, but great suggestion, the footprint would be bigger than beagleboard right?
[04:55:22] <djlewis> I got a used 500GB for $30.
[04:55:29] <djlewis> just sata
[04:56:01] <djlewis> the palo board is bigger than the stick of gum
[04:56:13] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: i don't buy used hdds.
[04:56:22] <djlewis> wise man
[04:56:27] <Beagle1> im waiting for solid state drives to come down to sata price range....
[04:56:33] <GrizzlyAdams> i prefer to find the bad sectors myself :D
[04:56:35] <Beagle1> by then, i
[04:56:50] <Beagle1> will also have grandkids
[04:57:10] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: I did run a manufactors diag on it first
[04:57:43] <djlewis> Beagle1: I'll make you a great deal on some core memory..
[04:58:00] <GrizzlyAdams> LOL
[04:58:35] <Beagle1> I dont get it. So is the mini desktop a bad idea for the beagleboard?
[04:58:49] <djlewis> depends on your ambitions
[04:59:08] * GrizzlyAdams is scared by how core memory works
[04:59:13] <GrizzlyAdams> Beagle1: beagleboard is more of a machine than i ran linux on in highschool.
[04:59:30] <djlewis> I have thoughts of making a internet radio , TV and movie.music server from one.
[05:00:09] <GrizzlyAdams> if you're just surfing, emailing, a bit of music / video you should be fine. heck it even plays games and emulators decently (about as good as the previous generation game consoles)
[05:00:24] <djlewis> it is somewhere in the Intel P-III 600Mhz class.
[05:01:04] <GrizzlyAdams> in my opinion its comparable to a gamecube with a ton of extra memory
[05:01:06] <Beagle1> i am using ubuntu on my laptop, and i saw some threads on running ubuntu on the beagleboard. i figure if i can at least duplicate that i would be happy.
[05:01:34] <djlewis> Ubuntu is coming right along. THough I run Angstrom and Gnome.
[05:01:51] <GrizzlyAdams> Beagle1: ubuntu is easy enough to get on beagle, you'll probably have to compile your own kernel or hack some bootscripts to get the clock to work right (assuming you solder a clock battery on to your beagle)
[05:02:23] <GrizzlyAdams> i run debian on mine with no X server, just DirectFB / SDL / ggi apps
[05:02:27] <Beagle1> i have not soldered anything since highschool.
[05:02:32] * djlewis 's RevC2 no have battery backup
[05:02:57] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: :( add one with a i2c clock chip
[05:02:58] <Beagle1> so i need to keep the thing plugged in if i want the clock right?
[05:03:14] <GrizzlyAdams> Beagle1: not if you have a C3 with clock battery
[05:03:36] <Beagle1> I dont know what a C3 is. So....am I in over my head?
[05:03:42] <djlewis> I think the C4 will keep the battery backup too.
[05:04:01] <djlewis> C3 = present BB, C4 next gen
[05:04:04] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: can't you carefully solder wires to the resistor pads?
[05:04:23] <djlewis> I would if it meant enough to me ;)
[05:04:27] <Beagle1> oh got it, version, sorry.
[05:05:13] <djlewis> GrizzlyAdams: I use ntpdate automatically anyway.
[05:05:41] <Beagle1> does the one from digikey have the clock battery
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[05:06:13] <GrizzlyAdams> djlewis: its a pain cause you have to do that before you fsck or disable the fsck date > today thing
[05:06:16] <djlewis> it is ready for it but you buy separately
[05:06:52] <Beagle1> okay. so am i in over my head?
[05:06:54] <rcn-ee> GrizzlyAdams, actually it's a smaller problem if you tweak: /etc/e2fsck.conf
[05:06:58] <djlewis> What, beagles never trash files, dont need no frikin fsck ;)
[05:07:06] <GrizzlyAdams> rcn-ee: i couldn't ever get that to work
[05:07:33] <rcn-ee> Really? it's working on all 3 of mine.. (usb harddrive based)
[05:08:01] <ds2> gstreamer can stream
[05:08:44] <ds2> the Beagle boards from special computing have the battery soldered in so...
[05:09:04] <rcn-ee> GrizzlyAdams, just for reference, this is what i had come up with: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Bugs_.26_Workarounds I'd be interested to know your setup to see if i could replicate it..
[05:09:28] <Beagle1> i figure buy the board, have ubuntu or angstrom on the MMC card, plug in Svideo cable, USB hub for keyboard and wifi, and be all set.
[05:11:44] <Beagle1> im looking at the special computing version c, and i dont see a battery.
[05:11:59] <ds2> Beagle1: all the ones they sell have the battery mounted on it
[05:12:45] <Beagle1> oh i see, it
[05:12:47] <djlewis> if they have any in stock.
[05:12:58] <Beagle1> it's labelled rtc battery and nand image
[05:13:02] <ds2> it isn't a stock thing; it is a cost thing ;)
[05:13:10] <Beagle1> its 199
[05:13:15] <djlewis> there is a high demand for BB's now.
[05:13:35] <ds2> willing to pay $500/each? ;)
[05:13:38] <ds2> HEHEH
[05:13:39] <Beagle1> i was hoping black friday sale on digikey
[05:13:59] <djlewis> ds2: I saw that the other day
[05:14:06] <rcn-ee> ds2, give everyone another month and maybe... ;)
[05:14:21] <ds2> rcn-ee: :D
[05:14:53] <ds2> the missing parts that is preventing the units from shipping are available
[05:14:58] <ds2> just not at a normal price
[05:15:10] <Beagle1> so building a small 'net top' all in for <$200 not possible?
[05:15:19] <djlewis> i erspect Gerald for trying to keep the cost down.
[05:15:24] <djlewis> respect
[05:15:33] <ds2> Beagle1: if you build about 1million peices, sure
[05:16:14] <djlewis> Beagle1: yes
[05:16:17] <Beagle1> i was thinking of building 1 for myself.
[05:16:37] <ds2> it isn't that hard to do it
[05:18:23] <Beagle1> so my plan of buying a bb from digikey this week, and loading ubuntu on mmc, and picking up a usb hub for keyboard and wifi dongle not doable? I have the power supple, usb hub, usb-ethernet, and svideo cable already. i consider everything by the board ...free
[05:18:57] <Beagle1> maybe throw in a wifi dongle for $20, used.
[05:19:04] <ds2> doable.... except it isn't available :/
[05:19:33] <Beagle1> ds2, you mean bb is on back order and not available now?
[05:19:39] <ds2> Beagle1: yes
[05:19:58] <Beagle1> do you know what the back order time is?
[05:20:13] <ds2> not accurately
[05:20:25] <Beagle1> digikey gave options for 30, 60, 90 days I
[05:20:31] <Beagle1> would be willing to wait.
[05:20:52] <ds2> there are industrial issues
[05:21:03] <Beagle1> which i thought was just lead time policy (like dell and hp) didnt know it was just plain not available
[05:21:28] <ds2> there is a reason why I am offering to make things available for $500 ;)
[05:21:50] <Beagle1> oh, gotcha
[05:21:52] <Beagle1> well that
[05:22:03] <Beagle1> is not within my budget.
[05:22:08] <ds2> supply and demand :D
[05:22:13] <Beagle1> thanks for the offer.
[05:22:18] <ds2> not in a hurry to dump things
[05:22:38] <Beagle1> i guess they are not in a hurry to build things either.
[05:22:47] <ds2> no, there is a parts issue
[05:23:11] <Beagle1> are any of the clones having an issue?
[05:23:42] <ds2> depends
[05:24:00] <ds2> TI parts are evaporating left and right :(
[05:24:03] <rcn-ee> Beagle1, there is a parts shortage for one of the components.. http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/f5f14f4ec66ab45d
[05:24:31] <Beagle1> oh thanks rcn-ee
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[05:24:56] <gaurang> i have build kernel using code sourecery tool chain for beagle board.Can I use Angstrom file system for that?
[05:24:58] <Beagle1> im in not hurry, i can wait a month or two. i wanted to do some research before i buy.
[05:26:33] <Beagle1> assuming i can pick a bb up. would putting an image on the mmc be all i need to do to get the bb ready to surf web and do email?
[05:27:08] <Beagle1> would svideo and stereo audio work? i read that i need to pick up a usb to serial cable?
[05:27:44] <Beagle1> i see this project as a learning experience for myself as well.
[05:28:30] <djlewis> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/f5f14f4ec66ab45d
[05:28:40] <djlewis> topic on availability
[05:29:08] <djlewis> hehee... I was off and didnt notice
[05:29:25] <djlewis> rcn-ee: didnt mean to duplicate ya.
[05:29:27] <rcn-ee> djlewis, might have to sticky that for the next month...
[05:30:33] <rcn-ee> i wonder if we can get gerald to make a c3's' (server) variant without the dvi chip...
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[05:33:06] <djlewis> I'm surprises he is coming out with a external camera version
[05:33:13] <djlewis> surprised
[05:33:18] <gaurang> how to create root file system using codesourcery tool-chain
[05:34:40] <Beagle1> any thoughts?
[05:35:52] <djlewis> Beagle1: well it is a DIY and inexpensive
[05:36:00] <rcn-ee> Beagle1, you might not be happy with the s-video, i've used it for years on my mythbox, but dvi is just way clearer...
[05:37:28] <Beagle1> yes the hdmi connection is also an option. i can pick a cable up. it is a diy project for myself.
[05:37:41] <Beagle1> and with help from you kind folks here.
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[05:38:31] <ds2> rumor has it that you can get better output via a special cable instead of S-Video
[05:39:37] <Beagle1> my tv has hdmi and svideo, so those are my two options.
[05:42:33] <Beagle1> does hdmi, with proper cable work out of the box?
[05:42:44] <GrizzlyAdams> yes
[05:42:53] <Beagle1> thanks grizzly.
[05:42:58] <GrizzlyAdams> svideo needs a tiny bit of config to make work.
[05:43:36] <Beagle1> is this something done at the os level on the mmc card, or the flash memory on the board?
[05:44:15] <GrizzlyAdams> kernel commandline params setup hdmi
[05:44:44] <Beagle1> forgive ignorance but what is the serial connection for if one can put angstrom or say android on the mmc card?
[05:45:27] <GrizzlyAdams> config of the bootloader, kernel debugging, etc
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[05:46:10] <Beagle1> ive never done anything like that before, does that mean i shouldnt be messing with it?
[05:46:27] <GrizzlyAdams> no
[05:46:55] <GrizzlyAdams> how else are you going to learn about this stuff without getting hands on?
[05:47:02] <Beagle1> can this be done via usb or do i need to pick up the serial cable then?
[05:47:20] <GrizzlyAdams> you can configure u-boot via usb iirc.
[05:47:24] <GrizzlyAdams> i've not done it
[05:47:26] <ds2> get the serial cable
[05:47:32] <Beagle1> okay.
[05:47:41] <GrizzlyAdams> yea i recommend serial cable aswell
[05:48:15] <Beagle1> i would need it if i want to have an image permanently on the board, instead of relying on the memory card?
[05:48:53] <GrizzlyAdams> yes / no
[05:49:05] <Beagle1> or are the images typically too big for the 256?
[05:49:13] <GrizzlyAdams> theres ways to get by without serial but i wouldn't recommend them
[05:49:33] <Beagle1> i was thinking something small like damn small linux, or android
[05:49:58] <GrizzlyAdams> i think android will fit if you find the right image
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[05:51:28] <Beagle1> so shopping list, a bb, a hdmi cable, serial to usb cable. anything else? i have power supply (car charger 5V), usb hub for keyboard and ethernet/wifi.
[05:53:39] <GrizzlyAdams> btw dont overspend on the hdmi cable
[05:53:39] <Beagle1> please let me know if im missing anything to build this small footprint low power computer i have in mind.
[05:53:51] <GrizzlyAdams> a $19 cable is just as good as a $900 cable
[05:54:00] <Beagle1> thanks.
[05:54:22] <Beagle1> is the hdmi port on the bb, a regular one ?
[05:54:46] <GrizzlyAdams> yah. its NOT the mini or micro
[05:54:51] <djlewis> and BB has a 5.25vDC input max so measure your power supply output first.
[05:55:04] <Beagle1> it
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[05:55:12] <Beagle1> thanks, for the tip
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[05:55:27] <Beagle1> i have an hdmi cable already so im glad i dont need to buy anything
[05:55:59] <djlewis> many a fine beagleboard have fried from trusting the label or not paying attention to detail.
[05:56:19] <Beagle1> my power supply is for my USB to ipod charger, i have a mini usb to regular usb that i can plug it into, figure i can use that as power.
[05:56:48] <Beagle1> but i will make sure it is not more than the 5V
[05:56:55] * djlewis uses a spare from a powered usb hub.
[05:57:30] <Beagle1> powered usb hub for power supply?
[05:58:01] <djlewis> you could do that but I just used its power brick.
[05:58:06] <GrizzlyAdams> i bought a phihong 11w 5v switching supply
[05:58:12] <Beagle1> so 1 usb port on bb for power the other for peripherals (via usb hub)
[05:58:15] <djlewis> :)
[05:58:28] <GrizzlyAdams> it feeds my usb hub, beagle board, hdd
[05:58:47] <Beagle1> genius.
[05:58:49] <djlewis> or use the DC in jack and both usb ports to two powered usb hubs.
[05:59:29] <djlewis> my most recent config
[05:59:48] <Beagle1> you mean the powered usb hub plugged into one port, and a usb cable going from the hub to the other usb port on the bb?
[06:00:25] <djlewis> the BB has a DC in jack I use. I use powered hubs on the usb ports for devices.
[06:01:17] <Beagle1> got you. my old electric razor has a 5v charger, and i got a DC jack adapters.
[06:01:39] <Beagle1> figure i could use that too.... but you
[06:01:40] <djlewis> that razor charger will be nasty to BB
[06:02:01] <Beagle1> okay, will not go on cheap and will buy a respectable power supply.
[06:02:45] <djlewis> I picked up a box of wal warts from work so I have spare regulated 5vDC 2Ampere adapters.
[06:03:50] <Animule> why is "recloseable bag" a selling point for a 6pk of socks?
[06:04:06] <Beagle1> so power supple, powered usb hub for peripherals, regular hdmi cable for video out, keyboard, mouse, and an image of ubuntu or angstrom or android on a mmc card and Im ready to surf web on bb from living room tv?
[06:04:16] <djlewis> once you wear them and they stink, put them in the bag :)
[06:04:37] <ds2> Animule: it would be too gross to buy a bag that has obviously been opened if it can't be closed?
[06:05:18] <Beagle1> and if i want to put an image os on bb without relying on mmc card, i would need the serial cable...am I even close?
[06:05:49] <ds2> that'd work
[06:06:21] <Beagle1> ds2 was that to me?
[06:07:02] <Beagle1> not that im adverse to messing with what
[06:07:36] <djlewis> time for my nite nite.. gn all..
[06:07:40] <Beagle1> not that im adverse to messing with what's preloaded on the bb, but would an image on a mmc card really be all i need to get going?
[06:07:49] <ds2> Beagle1: *nod*
[06:07:54] <Beagle1> djlewis, thanks for your help
[06:08:14] <djlewis> may the force be with you young skywalker :)
[06:08:31] <Beagle1> what do you she's my sister?
[06:09:12] <Beagle1> ds2, thanks for your help as well.
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[06:10:52] <Beagle1> ds2, would you not recommend what im doing?
[06:12:35] <Beagle1> was it something i said, things went quiet...
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[06:17:59] <ds2> no... I am on and off
[06:18:01] <ds2> bah
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[07:36:19] <_koen_> good morning all
[07:36:41] <tasslehoff> morning
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[07:42:11] <tasslehoff> _koen_: I get kernel panic using a kernel compiled with CONFIG_OMAP_MUX. An old irc log linked to http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/3a7f625695275812/fe01e7f5fbe27f98?lnk=gst&q=CONFIG_OMAP_MUX#fe01e7f5fbe27f98 where you have commented the issue. Know if there's a workaround for this?
[07:43:03] <_koen_> yeah, poke Crofton|work to finish his mux rework
[07:43:10] <_koen_> the in-kernel mux is broken currently
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[07:45:15] <tasslehoff> _koen_: thanks. has this been broken for ages, or can I go back in time to get something that works while I wait for a fix?
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[07:46:58] <_koen_> it has been for ages
[07:46:58] <ds2> Kernel mux was working
[07:47:03] <ds2> who broke it?????? :D
[07:47:06] <_koen_> pretty much everyone does it in u-boot
[07:47:26] <ds2> EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ;)
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[07:54:25] <tasslehoff> found the elinux page with instructions, so I'll try doing it in u-boot
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[08:00:29] <GrizzlyAdams> ooh, sparkfun to have a free-day on jan 7th
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[08:01:31] <siji> hi
[08:01:46] <siji> How to connect RAW Lcd panel to beagle board
[08:02:54] <siji> in revision C2 it's mentioned that "add interface for raw LCD's
[08:03:00] <siji> what does it mean
[08:03:18] <GrizzlyAdams> you need a buffer board to convert the 1.8v i/o to what your lcd expects
[08:04:02] <siji> U mean LCD controller ?
[08:04:06] <GrizzlyAdams> no
[08:04:28] <GrizzlyAdams> i mean a level converter
[08:04:32] <siji> ok
[08:05:06] <siji> so is the lcd controller is inbuilt in RecC2 board
[08:06:14] <adj> there is a DVI framer onboard, if that's what you mean. In addition to using DVI, C2 provides you direct access to OMAP's raw digital display signals
[08:07:27] <ds2> no, the LCD controller is built into the OMAP
[08:07:52] <siji> ok
[08:08:35] <siji> then what does mean by buffer board ,which has been mentioned by <GrizzlyAdams>
[08:09:14] <adj> I have several nice 4.1" LCD with resistive touch panels just waiting to be connected to the BB. They even are 1.8v displays so no buffers/converters are needed
[08:09:27] <siji> ok grt
[08:09:35] <ds2> adj: so do it ;)
[08:09:36] <siji> that's wht am looking for
[08:09:57] <GrizzlyAdams> the omap i/o is 1.8v you need 3.3v to talk to most lcds, so you must convert the signal voltages
[08:10:20] <siji> GrizzlyAdams, got it
[08:10:22] <GrizzlyAdams> if you are lucky you can find a 1.8v display
[08:10:28] <siji> ya ture
[08:10:35] <siji> understood
[08:10:39] <adj> ds2: yep, I will, as soon as our RF gurus get the 30-watt RF switching circuitry working
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[08:12:06] <siji> so this C2 board is having standard interface for connecting Raw LCD right?
[08:12:16] <ds2> adj: what's the relationship with the RF stuff?
[08:12:24] <siji> or need to go for a base board for it?
[08:12:34] <ds2> there is no "standard" raw LCD interface
[08:12:38] <ds2> each one is different
[08:12:49] <siji> ds2,oh ok
[08:13:07] <siji> then how wil connect it to beagle
[08:13:15] <ds2> depends on your LCD
[08:13:27] <ds2> usually you wire it up with an intervening level converter
[08:13:48] <ds2> some are more complex and might require you to wire in the SPI or the I2C stuff
[08:14:01] <siji> ok ok
[08:14:57] <adj> ds2: the final device will be a digital 440 MHz amateur radio tranceiver built around beagle and TI's CC1101
[08:15:04] <ds2> the OMAP LCD controller is pretty flexible
[08:15:20] <ds2> adj: ah i see... what's the 900MHz ISM xceiver for?
[08:15:32] <siji> ds2, ok
[08:16:24] <adj> ds2: CC1101 is quite flexible and operates well at 440 MHz also
[08:17:10] <ds2> adj: I thought all the 11xx parts are 900MHz, 24xx are 2.4G and some other set of numbers is @ 440MHz?
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[08:19:06] <adj> hmm, I don't know details about the numbering logic of TI, I'm just reading the data sheet :)
[08:20:23] <ds2> are you feeding the CC1101 into a linear for more power?
[08:22:35] <adj> CC1101 feeds an amplifier of some sort but it will be implemented as an separate block and I will leave all the scary stuff like RF to the Gurus
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[08:25:26] <adj> I'm already having hard time understanding the 30-watt capable PIN diode switch schematics which I just got this week. And the layout stuff for that, aargh.
[08:26:32] <ds2> ahhhh
[08:26:49] <ds2> the PIN diode is probally a T/R antenna switch, I assume?
[08:26:55] <adj> yep
[08:27:22] <ds2> nice... will you be able to do non digital modes?
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[08:29:24] <adj> sadly no. Propably only GFSK/MSK and stereo audio coded using GSM and AMR(-WB) codecs
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[08:33:07] <ds2> isn't CW possible?
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[08:36:10] <adj> that propably could be possible, at 1200 bauds :)
[08:38:20] <ds2> the CC chips can generate a plain carrier
[08:38:31] <ds2> they have a sample app for it
[08:38:55] <ds2> so it should just be a matter of keying the N0N mode
[08:40:10] <adj> ah, then it should work. Thanks for the tip and idea!
[08:40:40] <ds2> been swimming in the CC stuff lately :(
[08:41:26] <ds2> great parts, hope they don't evaporate like the other stuff
[08:42:25] <av500> ah, ham talk
[08:42:40] <adj> they seem pretty hard to get. Digikey and Farnell have been out of stock for months now, only occasionally having them in stock
[08:43:31] <adj> I just got my first delivery of those, 4 chips with one physically damaged (missing 1/4 of the pins)
[08:43:44] <ds2> hmmm
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[09:20:32] <hrw> morning
[09:21:17] <_koen_> hey hrw
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[10:03:42] <mru> morning
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[10:07:45] <_koen_> hey mru
[10:08:15] <av500> gm
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[11:33:33] <SplasH> Is there a way to get a compiled version of the ARM OpenMax Library?
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[11:34:49] <av500> gcc?
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[11:36:08] <likewise> gm
[11:36:52] <SplasH> av500, I want to use it with gcc
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[11:40:32] <av500> and these libs are source only?
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[11:42:44] <hibari> hello
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[11:43:53] <av500> SplasH: yes, source only, but most of it in .s files...
[11:43:57] <SplasH> On the arm page I get optimized functions for the Cortex-A8. But these are only assembler files which can be compiled with a special compiler of arm. But I don't have this compiler.
[11:45:06] <SplasH> And in the readme is said, that using a different compiler isn't recommend..
[11:45:44] <av500> SplasH: you dont need a "special" compiler for assembly files
[11:45:58] <av500> its machine code already, just in human readable form
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[11:49:53] <SplasH> okay, I will try it. Do you know an other way to decode jpeg images(mjpeg) fast? I use the v4l2 api for my webcam and it decodes the mjpeg stream of my camera, but then I have very high cpu load. So I thought, that the optimized libs will be better.
[11:50:18] <av500> decodes jpg using what?
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[11:52:46] <SplasH> decoding jpeg using beagleboard and c(++). I don't know if there is any simple way to do that with the dsp..
[11:54:02] <av500> SplasH: what sw is used to decode jpg in your use case?
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[11:56:55] <SplasH> at the moment I use the video4linux2 api to read image form the webcam. this api does jpeg decoding too
[12:00:45] <SplasH> I think the api uses tiny jpeg to decode the images
[12:20:26] <Crofton|work> _koen_, I need to go read the patches proposedon the list a while ago
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[12:21:13] <av500> SplasH: so 1st step could be to use a faster jpeg decoder there
[12:21:18] <av500> e.g. ffmpeg or so
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[13:44:30] <jkridner|work> for the Beagle lab book, should we do the text in a wiki, cnx.org, or something else (like a simple git tree)?
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[14:03:07] <jkridner|work> anybody tried this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager
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[14:03:50] <prpplague> jkridner: greetings earthling
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[14:04:01] * jkridner|work would expect there to be a Linux version.
[14:04:32] <prpplague> jkridner|work: hehe, isn't the linux version called "dd"
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[14:06:38] <jkridner|work> true enough.
[14:06:50] <jkridner|work> but I haven't seen a gui for dd.
[14:06:58] <jkridner|work> (spoken by someone who prefers not to have guis)
[14:07:37] <jkridner|work> but, I would like them to be available for the people that do want guis on their systems.
[14:07:59] <prpplague> jkridner|work: indeed
[14:08:23] <av500> there is a gui
[14:08:29] <av500> it is called xterm
[14:09:05] <Crofton|work> rofl
[14:09:55] <florian> re
[14:11:35] <jkridner|work> yeah, I can't put xterm under 'screen', so it qualifies as a GUI and thus my dislike.
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[14:13:01] <av500> jkridner|work: and that from the guy that tried to force flash and real on me....
[14:15:24] <jkridner|work> hehe....
[14:15:27] <jkridner|work> only flash....
[14:15:33] <jkridner|work> and, only to prove a point.
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[14:15:47] <jkridner|work> you were supposed to be my neigh sayer.
[14:16:05] <av500> I never got the link to the flashy one :(
[14:16:30] <jkridner|work> well, if you go to the lightning talk page now, the links shown there are to a flash player archive.
[14:16:55] <av500> I prefer the PDFs :)
[14:19:28] <prpplague> jkridner|work: got your email
[14:19:33] <mru> neigh sayer == horse?
[14:19:36] <prpplague> jkridner|work: sent a response
[14:19:44] * mru wonders what jkridner|work wants with av500...
[14:21:58] <jkridner|work> nay, a disagreeable horse.
[14:22:13] * av500 sulks
[14:22:53] <mru> love those homonyms...
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[14:24:39] <jkridner|work> did you create those aspects of your language in your ever reaching attempts to humiliate? :)
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[14:25:09] <mru> "you ... your", I'm speaking of english here
[14:25:12] <djlewis> gm
[14:25:24] <av500> gm djlewis
[14:25:24] <mru> jkridner|work: or are you finally admitting that american is a lesser language than English?
[14:25:37] <mru> yo djlewis
[14:25:39] <mru> wassup?
[14:25:45] <av500> it's a language?
[14:25:48] <jkridner|work> There is no American language.
[14:26:04] <mru> wow, he's gone whole hog
[14:26:11] <mru> I wasn't expecting that so quickly
[14:26:12] <djlewis> gm mru: , me, I couldnt sleep in. :(
[14:26:17] <jkridner|work> but, it might have been a good idea for us to make one. :)
[14:26:48] <av500> I wonder why you dont have a big NIH about that anyway....
[14:26:59] <mru> they did alter the spelling a bit
[14:27:01] <djlewis> there is arkansas and texan languages ;)
[14:27:03] <av500> using the language of your former opressors...
[14:27:04] <mru> and drop the complicated words
[14:27:26] <mru> or shall we say the eloquent ones
[14:27:26] <av500> compilicated?
[14:27:55] <mru> thus creating a simpler language for a simpler people
[14:28:13] <av500> american binary
[14:28:41] <jkridner|work> Am I meant to feel insulted by being called simple?
[14:28:43] <mru> is that what they they thing the ambi- prefix means?
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[14:28:57] <mru> jkridner|work: no, just being made fun of
[14:29:17] <mru> it's a little pastime we occasionally indulge in over here
[14:29:24] <jkridner|work> Then I won't point out the proper use of prepositional phrases. :)
[14:29:43] <mru> oh come on, this _is_ irc...
[14:29:56] <jkridner|work> Indeed. :-D
[14:30:43] <mru> you don't believe I'm like this in real life too, do you?
[14:30:50] <av500> I do
[14:31:01] <mru> av500: but you've met me IRL
[14:31:08] <mru> you have unfair advantage
[14:31:23] * av500 will tie on hand behind his back from now on
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[14:31:24] * _koen_ is still scared of saying 'sidewalk' in mru's presence
[14:31:26] <av500> one
[14:31:46] <jkridner|work> I think people IRC and drive like they actually are. It is face to face where they are fake.
[14:32:06] <mru> I think there's some truth to that
[14:32:24] <av500> so it's fake to fake then :)
[14:32:28] * jkridner|work wants to be quoted for that. :)
[14:32:59] <mru> we should make a "best of #beagle" list
[14:33:13] <_koen_> did google go down in bangalore?
[14:33:19] <av500> _koen_: :)
[14:33:23] <av500> I had the same thought
[14:33:26] <av500> err doubt
[14:33:49] <_koen_> I bet it works for khasim since he's behind the TI firewall that end in the US
[14:33:57] <av500> maybe google never went to bangelore...
[14:34:00] <Drago> Hi guys, I have a BeagleBoard, assembled by me. I am trying to unbrick it, but without a sucess. I have tried the Uart guide http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecover , but wit just a minor sucess. Can somebody help?
[14:34:12] <_koen_> you can't brick a beagleboard
[14:34:25] <av500> _koen_: he made it himself...
[14:34:52] <_koen_> in that case some gaffatape and tiewraps are needed
[14:34:58] <av500> Drago: define minor success
[14:35:05] <mru> perhaps he made a mockup of red clay
[14:35:15] <_koen_> or mashed potatoes
[14:35:23] * djlewis wants a BB kit too :)
[14:35:33] <av500> djlewis: send in your BB, I will return kit
[14:35:37] <mru> _koen_: then he's just missing some gravy
[14:35:40] <djlewis> hehee
[14:36:01] <mru> djlewis: just pop it in the toaster for a few minutes
[14:36:04] <Drago> mostly i have sucess with "./pserial -p /dev/ttyS0 -f x-load.bin"
[14:36:06] <mru> it will come apart nicely
[14:36:14] <djlewis> then shake upside down ;)
[14:36:22] <av500> Drago: you are aware that it can boot from MMC card?
[14:36:38] <Drago> very funny guys, you are .... but I am in a trouble
[14:36:45] <av500> _koen_: there is a "donate for TFP410" paypal account?
[14:36:52] <av500> Drago: you are aware that it can boot from MMC card?
[14:37:01] <Drago> I still do not have MMC connector/card
[14:37:05] <mru> if you're looking for trouble...
[14:37:11] <mru> you've come to the right place...
[14:37:24] <djlewis> he already has trouble :(
[14:37:29] <_koen_> av500: you're going to buy overo summit boards, rip of the tfp and send it to gerald?
[14:37:40] <av500> Drago: that xlod.bin that you upload will look for a uboot in NAND or MMC again
[14:37:55] <av500> _koen_: given the funds are sufficient...
[14:37:57] <Drago> sometimes I have success with "./ukermit -p /dev/ttyS0 -f u-boot.bin" but not always
[14:38:02] <av500> and after I recover my modest handling fee
[14:38:05] <mru> is it really only tuesday?
[14:38:14] <mru> and silliness has reached friday post-pub levels already
[14:38:21] <av500> we are improving
[14:38:32] <djlewis> its the long hours on this channel. they add up.
[14:38:34] <av500> Drago: is it that hard to get a MMC card?
[14:38:38] * mru eagerly anticipates friday
[14:38:53] <Drago> I have tried ukermit with u-boot.bin, u-boot-v1.bin and u-boot-v2.bin
[14:39:05] <av500> Drago: maybe you know somebody with a digital camera.... hint hint
[14:39:37] <Drago> usually using v1, there is some command prompt when connecting via minicom
[14:39:44] <av500> good
[14:39:48] <Drago> but don't know what next
[14:39:58] <mru> we looove the command prompt
[14:40:07] <av500> well, you could boot from .... MMC :)
[14:40:09] <mru> the feeling of control it conveys
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[14:40:39] <Drago> I tried "nand unlock" as well as "nand erase", but the both are unknown for the BB
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[14:41:08] * av500 wonders what command prompt that is
[14:41:16] <mru> or SD, for the ultimate Secure Digital boot experience
[14:41:32] <mru> maybe he got a commanding prompt by mistake
[14:41:41] <mru> and now *he* has to obey *it*
[14:42:12] <djlewis> did mru get any sleep last night?
[14:42:29] <mru> I slept quite well, actually
[14:42:37] <mru> guess I'm just in a good mood
[14:42:37] <djlewis> :)
[14:42:45] <jkridner|work> Drago: what prompt are you at? if you are in u-boot, it is unlikely that 'nand' is an unknown command.
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[14:43:06] <mru> and I like it, so don't you dare piss me off!
[14:43:13] <djlewis> mru: of the girl thing worked out ?
[14:43:24] <djlewis> of = ok
[14:43:30] <mru> djlewis: no change there
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[14:43:37] <mru> but a guy can always hope...
[14:43:37] <djlewis> :(
[14:43:53] <av500> she not into BBB?
[14:44:05] <djlewis> hah
[14:44:06] <mru> haven't brought it up
[14:44:10] <av500> good!
[14:44:16] <Drago> OMAP3 beagleboard.org <http://beagleboard.org> #
[14:45:16] <mru> at least she hasn't told me to sod off
[14:45:24] <Drago> there is "help" command. it lists many other commands too. but don't know what to do then
[14:45:31] <mru> see, another fantastic british expression
[14:46:00] <mru> if this is indeed the commanding prompt, that means it's asking for help
[14:46:05] <mru> that's your chance to take over
[14:46:16] <djlewis> "sod off" is that like to plow earth with nose?
[14:46:40] <mru> it's like f*** off but not quite as rude
[14:46:49] <djlewis> jejee
[14:46:56] <mru> english is all about nuances
[14:46:57] <djlewis> s/j/h
[14:47:29] * djlewis got to work with an English stage crew once. Couldnt understand a word.
[14:47:47] <av500> understandable
[14:47:54] <mru> I can make sense of most of the dialects
[14:48:03] <mru> some of the scottish ones are difficult
[14:48:17] <av500> the language they speak too :)
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[14:49:03] <Drago> ok then ... which prompt has the "nand" command ?
[14:49:20] <djlewis> well I understood the meaning of the one when I turned his audio mixer down.
[14:49:42] <av500> Drago: could you pastebin that help output?
[14:50:00] <av500> Drago: and why cant you get a MMC card?
[14:50:03] <jkridner|work> you might also type 'version' to get the output of that.
[14:50:03] <Drago> it is very long
[14:50:10] <av500> pastebin.com
[14:50:12] <jkridner|work> use pastebin.com
[14:50:26] <Drago> MMC/SD is not an issue at the momment. I need it working from the NAND
[14:50:48] <av500> you could use MMC to get in into the NAND :)
[14:51:42] <av500> you can of course upload xloader, uboot and a kernel over serial...
[14:51:57] <av500> just that not many ppl do that here...
[14:52:06] <av500> most boot from ..... MMC :)
[14:52:52] <Drago> how to upload the kernel? and how to write it to the nand, so that I dont have to do it every time I power it up?
[14:53:05] <mru> "forget about that sd and that serial, today we're all booting from the nand"
[14:53:47] <av500> Drago: I just told you that few ppl do that here at all, so help will be sparse
[14:56:33] <Drago> http://pastebin.com/m32e8f6b8
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[14:57:27] <_koen_> disable the modem reset string in minicom
[14:57:48] <Drago> how ?
[14:57:49] <av500> I see a "nand" command there
[14:58:35] <Drago> after "nand unlock", as described in the guide, I got this "Unknown command 'nand' - try 'help'"
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[15:00:26] <av500> Drago: even if you upload the kernel, what filesystem will it run from?
[15:00:44] <Drago> have no idea
[15:00:53] <Drago> suggestions ?
[15:00:59] <av500> MMC? :)
[15:01:02] <khasim> Hello all
[15:01:09] <av500> khasim: hello
[15:01:11] <khasim> sorry for not being on IRC for long
[15:01:13] <khasim> :)
[15:01:19] <av500> still did not get my proto :(
[15:01:21] <av500> :)
[15:01:36] <khasim> no one for that matter :)
[15:01:49] <av500> I only care 'bout moi! :)
[15:01:56] <Drago> let us say, that it will be enough to make it running somehow (after powerup) and get something at the DIV output
[15:02:03] * khasim came here hunting for koen :)
[15:02:20] <jkridner|work> Drago: log the whole session with the error. google 'minicom' for answers on how to disable the modem strings.
[15:02:25] <mru> we shot him already
[15:02:34] <khasim> ha ha ha ha
[15:02:58] <av500> Drago: then just load a new uboot with a fixed bootlogo, no kernel needed at all and you have a nice 1 picture photo frame...
[15:03:12] <khasim> _koen_: I am trying to build the narcissus image for hawk, for the qt that you were demoing, what should I select in the user envir selection ?
[15:03:24] <mru> his winged angel, _koen_ is around though...
[15:03:25] <av500> "avian"
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[15:03:39] <mru> who would have thought koen would turn into an angel?
[15:03:46] <mru> my bets were on something darker
[15:03:57] <mru> now I owe someone a beer, damn
[15:03:57] <Drago> but the uboot disappear when I unplug the power. I want it to stay there ....
[15:03:58] <av500> the winged avanga?
[15:04:01] <av500> the winged avenger?
[15:04:08] <_koen_> khasim: "qt/e embedded" would be a start :)
[15:05:01] <av500> Drago: then you need to flash the loadr and uboot to NAND, again this is all in the docs, but using MMC....
[15:05:19] <Drago> :(
[15:05:41] <av500> from serial it might be similar, but again, not many ppl do/did that
[15:05:54] <Drago> ... going to brick my head in the wall ...
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[15:06:24] <av500> progress, at last... :)
[15:07:20] <mru> hmm... hold on... _koen_, stop right there, don't go higher, those wings are wax
[15:07:35] <mru> I knew there was something wrong here
[15:10:46] <khasim> _koen_: you mean Opie
[15:10:57] <khasim> ?
[15:11:12] <hrw> bye
[15:11:17] <av500> bye
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[15:11:30] <av500> have a nice weekend... err
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[15:12:22] <mru> did we scare him?
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[15:13:14] <djlewis> hmm. the coffee does not seem to be working this morning.
[15:13:14] <mru> btw, would you like to see a winged _troll_?
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[15:13:36] <_troll_> maybe you need a double dose
[15:14:17] <av500> a double decaf!
[15:14:30] <khasim> bye all,
[15:14:41] <djlewis> yep :) and sitting in this dark living room with a dog snoring beside me doesnt help
[15:14:52] <_troll_> give the dog some coffee too
[15:14:57] <_troll_> he'll stop snoring then
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[15:15:17] <djlewis> He wont drink it, I tried :P
[15:15:26] <av500> the BB makes snoring noises?
[15:15:46] <_troll_> usually snoring computers are caused by dust on the fan
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[15:17:03] <djlewis> short week with the turkey day holiday,
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[15:17:18] <djlewis> Spose I;ll get ready to head into the big city for some work.
[15:17:51] <el_chapo> hello everyone :)
[15:18:02] <djlewis> howdy.
[15:18:05] <av500> yes
[15:18:27] <el_chapo> I've got the problem running bitbake with arago-project
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[15:20:09] <el_chapo> when run task 20 (for coreutils_native_7.2 - it says that SHA256 sum is wrong and quit
[15:20:52] <_troll_> could be a bad download
[15:21:03] <_troll_> delete the file with the wrong checksum and try again
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[15:27:29] <gst-kaps1> any idea where I can get a beagleboard in India
[15:27:41] <gst-kaps1> especially Pune ?
[15:28:34] <mru> there are definitely resellers in india
[15:28:38] <mru> don't remember the names
[15:28:43] <mru> have you tried google?
[15:29:00] <gst-kaps1> I am doing that, parallel asked here
[15:29:26] <mru> the parallel universes are converging
[15:29:53] <mru> must a non-euclidean geometry
[15:30:34] <mru> *be
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[15:32:57] <gst-kaps1> nop isnt finding anyone in Pune
[15:33:12] <el_chapo> what does it mean: /home/user/oe/arago-bitbake/lib/bb/COW.py:29: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated
[15:33:14] <mru> you'll probably have to order it online
[15:33:29] <gst-kaps1> yep that is an sure option
[15:33:45] <mru> el_chapo: it means the python people are planning to remove that module some time
[15:33:53] <mru> nothing to worry about
[15:34:12] <el_chapo> ok, thanks :)
[15:34:30] <mru> gst-kaps1: you'll want to order it from an indian reseller
[15:34:43] <mru> they take care of all the silly us export stuff
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[15:34:58] <gst-kaps1> mru:yep
[15:35:00] <gst-kaps1> thanks
[15:35:09] <NCommander> Is there a version of Angstrom linux compiled for Thumb2 mode?
[15:35:49] <mru> you probably wouldn't want that
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[15:39:17] <NCommander> mru, Ubuntu being compiled for ARMv7+Thumb2 these days
[15:39:20] <NCommander> mru, why won't I want that
[15:39:39] <mru> I don't trust thumb2
[15:39:44] <NCommander> mru, trust?
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[15:40:16] <mru> put it this way, a thumb2-built ffmpeg kills the cortex-a8 on the beagles
[15:40:45] <mru> there's a hardware bug the compiler needs to work around
[15:40:50] <mru> afaik gcc doesn't
[15:41:02] <NCommander> mru, fair enough
[15:41:23] <NCommander> mru, so to answer my original question, angstrom linux isn't available for thumb2 :-)
[15:41:35] <el_chapo> I've tried several times to download coreutils, but still the error message is the same: sh: /home/user/oe/arago-tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/oe_sha256sum: cannot execute binary file
[15:41:35] <mru> I suppose it could be built that way
[15:41:41] <mru> maybe _koen_ knows
[15:42:05] <mru> _koen_: another one for you I think
[15:42:12] <_koen_> no, that's arago
[15:43:35] <_koen_> el_chapo: if you're building for beagle use angstrom, not arago
[15:44:15] <el_chapo> ok, will try
[15:49:49] <Drago> I thinkg I have made the situation worse... After the x-load.bin I am getting "Did not read asic ID ret = 1" and nothing else :(
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[15:52:38] * djlewis recalls ascii vs binary data transfers..
[15:56:21] <djlewis> time to transport, bbl...
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[16:11:43] <SIARE1> ANYONE KNOW WERE I CAN FIND GERBER FILES FOR THIS BOARD
[16:11:59] <_koen_> your keyboard is broken
[16:12:02] <mru> DID YOU CHECK THE MANUAL?
[16:12:24] <SIARE1> I DID BUT NOT THE ACUTALL GERBER
[16:12:54] <mru> TURN OFF THE DAMN CAPSLOCK
[16:13:25] <SIARE1> ANYONE KNOW WERE GET THE GERBERS?
[16:13:44] <_koen_> you do know shouting is considered rude, right?
[16:13:54] <_koen_> and using all caps is shouting
[16:14:10] <SIARE1> CAPS IS STUCK ON MY KB SORRY
[16:14:25] <mru> so fix it
[16:15:07] <av500> just press the little [x] button in the top right corner
[16:15:17] <SIARE1> HAVE NOT GOT TO THAT YET. ANYWAY DOES ANYONE KNOW?
[16:15:29] <mru> not until you fix your keyboard
[16:15:32] <av500> fix kbd 1st, then come back
[16:15:59] <SIARE1> fixed! now?
[16:16:02] <av500> or cut and paste small letters from a website :)
[16:16:14] <mru> I once made a mistake with some keyboard mappings, mapped all the letter keys to digit 1
[16:16:25] <mru> nobody on irc understood what I was saying
[16:16:38] <SIARE1> gerbers anyone?
[16:16:39] <mru> 111 1 11 111 11111 111 1 111111111 1 11
[16:17:15] <av500> 1111 1111, 1111!
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[16:19:09] <linkcom> Hi does anyone know were I can find the gerber files for this board?
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[16:19:59] <el_chapo> have you looked into eLinux wiki? it's there
[16:20:34] <linkcom> no I haven't I will try that. thanks
[16:21:50] <el_chapo> u r welcome, it's just the 2nd link on the beagleboard.org :)
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[16:24:03] <linkcom> The only thing I can find is the service manual. The manual does have veiws of the gerbers but not th actual gerber. Traces are not clear in these layers
[16:24:56] <linkcom> never mind. I found them. Thanks
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[16:36:42] <el_chapo> koen: DL_DIR in local.conf specifies the folder to download all the files, correct? Does it use a full path?
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[16:58:13] <linkcom> does anyone know the the part number for the OMAP processor used on this board
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[16:59:40] <linkcom> does anyone know the the part number for the OMAP processor used on this board
[16:59:55] <mru> the guys who mount it probably do
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[17:26:12] <el_chapo> hello again,please advise what does it mean: ERROR: Task /home/user/angstrom/openembedded/recipes/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb (do_rm_work) has circular dependency on /home/user/angstrom/openembedded/recipes/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb (do_rm_work_all)
[17:27:37] <mru> what it says
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[18:13:52] <ds2> morning!
[18:17:34] <ds2> THe part number should be in the BOM posted for the board
[18:18:23] <mru> morning ds2
[18:19:48] <el_chapo> even it is a late evening here, good morning :)
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[19:23:37] <armin76> mru: what hw setup do you have on the beagle?
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[20:14:29] <djlewis_> havent been able to use my work computer for any fun today :P
[20:14:48] <djlewis_> its been all tied up cloning hard drives.
[20:17:05] <alcy> Folks is it possible to use a s/w hack for making beagle work in host mode ? I can't get around doing the cable hack properly :|
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[20:22:29] <ds2> yes, it is possible
[20:22:38] <_av500_> djlewis_: rig a bb to clone hds :)
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[20:32:05] <GrizzlyAdams> _av500_: thats easy
[20:32:13] <GrizzlyAdams> *too* easy
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[20:32:30] <_av500_> it will just take aGES
[20:32:39] <GrizzlyAdams> not really
[20:32:51] <GrizzlyAdams> we clone using usb docks at my work all the time
[20:33:09] <_av500_> sure
[20:33:30] <_av500_> we dont get more than 15mb/s over usb on omap3...
[20:37:06] <ds2> _av500_: which port can you get 15Mbs on?
[20:37:25] <_av500_> musb for sure, ehci i need to check
[20:38:28] <ds2> are you using big enough frames to ensure everything is DMA'ed on the MUSB block?
[20:38:53] <_av500_> i think we do
[20:39:09] <_av500_> we use musb for 4ys now
[20:39:24] <_av500_> 1st on dv, now on omap3
[20:39:41] <ds2> the MUSB on DV is different from the MUSB on the OMAP[23]
[20:40:01] <ds2> IIRC, the DV has fewer hw ep's for one
[20:40:19] <_av500_> msc uses 1 ep...
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[20:42:30] <ds2> and the fifo's are smaller too, I think
[20:42:47] <_av500_> perf we see is about the same i think
[20:42:56] <ds2> and on some chips, the code doesn't use the best ep's to simplify the scheduling
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[20:43:21] <ds2> given the state of the code, I'm happy that ep0 works ;)
[20:43:29] <_av500_> hehe
[20:44:14] <ds2> have you heard any definitive plans on when/if they will collapse L-DV onto L-O?
[20:44:32] <_av500_> no
[20:44:42] <ds2> patches for musb on L-O don't seem to apply nicely to L-DV and vice versa :(
[20:44:44] <_av500_> i stopped caring for DV 2y ago :)
[20:45:03] <ds2> support the leopard and hawk folks!
[20:46:07] <_av500_> jaja
[20:46:48] <alcy> *n00b query*...will attaching a keyboard/mouse through a USB hub connected at
[20:46:58] <alcy> the EHCI port work ?
[20:47:05] <ds2> yes
[20:47:10] <kblin> _av500_: you need to tell them what "jaja" means, now ;)
[20:47:15] <ds2> IIRC, ESC/SJC was done that way
[20:47:42] <_av500_> kblin: mountain view know that if needed
[20:48:14] <kblin> hehe
[20:48:47] <alcy> @ds2 : so i dont need to have the mini-A cable just to get the keyboard working, right ?
[20:48:52] <_av500_> alcy: no
[20:49:08] <ds2> alcy: yep. just make sure it is a self powered USB 2.0 HS capable hub
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[20:49:32] <_av500_> where do i find a non hs capable hub?
[20:49:45] <ds2> thousands of places
[20:49:50] <_av500_> landfill does not count
[20:49:58] <ds2> brand new, in package
[20:50:02] <_av500_> really
[20:50:09] <ds2> aka improperly labeled USB 1.1 hubs
[20:50:16] <alcy> @av500 & ds2 : thanks...
[20:50:23] <_av500_> havent seen ony of these for decades
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[20:50:37] <ds2> _av500_: Deal Extreme has pallets of those for sale
[20:50:49] <ds2> read the comments/reviews on how many of those are really mislabeled
[20:50:52] <_av500_> right, they have pallets of landfill
[20:50:57] <ds2> :D
[20:51:18] <_av500_> i think the japanese just order from DE when they need more land
[20:51:20] <ds2> USB 1.1 hubs are useful for some things besides land fill
[20:51:40] <_av500_> museums?
[20:51:57] <ds2> USB power distribution for example ;)
[20:52:08] <_av500_> meh
[20:52:28] <ds2> for running all those USB charger cables that don't meet spec either ;)
[20:53:05] <_av500_> thats like saying coax net is still usefull to hang socks to dry
[20:53:38] <ds2> coax net is still used for networking
[20:53:54] <ds2> heard of cable modems?
[20:54:13] <_av500_> once... ;)
[20:54:56] <ds2> coax might work better then using TP to dispense the TP ;)
[20:55:02] <ds2> stiffer and...
[20:55:04] <_av500_> i bet the cable guy will look puzzled when he sees the vampire tap i installed on it :=
[20:55:51] <ds2> some of those will probally try to plug an F connector into the DB15 ;)
[20:57:20] * _av500_ used to run around uni looked for the transciever that had the collision led all the time...
[20:57:35] <ds2> MMmm storms
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[21:14:29] * GrizzlyAdams dumps a box of arcnet cards at _av500_'s door
[21:14:59] * _av500_ drives over them :)
[21:15:21] <GrizzlyAdams> nah, they are great for fucking up ppls networks :D
[21:15:30] <_av500_> right
[21:15:40] <_av500_> bring them to genius bar :)
[21:15:54] <GrizzlyAdams> cause they look like 10base2 ethernet
[21:17:27] <_av500_> does BB support laplink? :)
[21:17:52] <GrizzlyAdams> heh, you can use some usb laplink cables with usbnet
[21:18:09] <GrizzlyAdams> i had one that sucked so much i gutted it for parts
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[21:19:16] * _av500_ used to connect pcs with norton commander foo...
[21:19:43] <florian> _av500_: heh... oh well, that was ages ago :)
[21:20:04] <_av500_> florian: psst
[21:20:22] <florian> :-)
[21:20:35] <_av500_> iwe heard about it from like our granddad or so, no?
[21:20:46] * florian starts to feel old
[21:20:49] <florian> hehe
[21:21:38] <ds2> _av500_: so they were...uh... "young" ;)
[21:23:11] * _av500_ curses mc for not offering to network pcs, has to use that intertube stuff...
[21:25:21] <florian> I remember using old TV cables because of lecking RG58 for networking :)
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[21:58:28] <GrizzlyAdams> _av500_: isn't plan9fs for that ?
[21:58:31] <djlewis_> arrgh!! lots happening here at the office today...
[21:58:58] <_av500_> coffee maker broke?
[22:01:25] * djlewis_ need more coffee yep yep yep, uh huh, uh huh...
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[22:04:21] <_av500_> need sleep here, gn
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[22:10:14] <djlewis_> gn
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[22:43:22] <djlewis_> GrizzlyAdams: used to find tons of that old thick wire around a campus I was a network eng for.
[22:43:57] <djlewis_> THen I'd find tons of thin wire, then cat-3 then finally cat-5
[22:44:08] <GrizzlyAdams> 10b5 is horrid
[22:44:15] <GrizzlyAdams> waterhose it is
[22:44:53] <ds2> I'll take some 10b5
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[22:45:03] <djlewis_> Loves how you basically drove a metal stake in it to make a tap..
[22:45:12] <GrizzlyAdams> my highschool was wired for tokenring cause some moron convinced the school board that it was the future (this was 4, not 16 or 100 token)
[22:45:48] <djlewis_> That was before my networking time. Used to find these large tap boxes laying around.
[22:45:50] <ds2> djlewis_: you still do that with 10bT, just smaller
[22:46:00] <GrizzlyAdams> ds2: you mean 10b2
[22:46:05] <GrizzlyAdams> T= twisted pair
[22:46:11] <ds2> GrizzlyAdams: no, I mean 10b5
[22:46:32] <ds2> 10b2 wiring is good for test equipment if it isn't too badly made but 10b5 has other uses
[22:46:36] <GrizzlyAdams> 10b5 was garden hose, 10b2 was thinner than normat catv coax
[22:46:56] <djlewis_> thinwire was a nightmare to troubleshoot with hnudreds of feet and countless nodes tapped to it.
[22:47:01] <ds2> important key is they are both 50ohm
[22:47:12] <djlewis_> tv = 75 Ohm
[22:47:32] <GrizzlyAdams> arcnet was funny cause it was 75 or 90 ohm, with hubs being 4 bnc jacks with resistors tying them together
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[22:48:52] <ds2> most RF stuff (except for TV) is 50ohm
[22:49:09] <ds2> and the N connectors on 10b5 are nice and heavy duty unlike the flimsy BNC
[22:50:26] <GrizzlyAdams> i have some N terminated LMR400 cable from my first 802.11b card
[22:51:16] <ds> I've always wondered why TV coax is 75 ohm
[22:54:05] <djlewis_> to match the 75)hm antennae ?
[22:54:24] <GrizzlyAdams> but most tv antennas were 100ohm
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[23:19:52] <djlewis_> heading home... bbl.
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[23:43:39] <el_chapo> hello :) anybody working with arago project here?
[23:43:58] <denix> el_chapo: sure
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[23:44:58] <el_chapo> I'm trying to build coreutils 7.2 and got the following error: configure: error: in `/home/user/oe/arago-tmp/work/i686-linux/coreutils-native-7.2-r0/coreutils-7.2'
[23:45:43] <denix> el_chapo: btw, there is #arago channel and also a mailing list...
[23:45:45] <el_chapo> configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs
[23:46:12] <denix> el_chapo: looks like you don't have a native compiler... check config.log as well
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[23:46:39] <el_chapo> and what to look for?
[23:47:25] <el_chapo> here is gcc --version result: user@ubuntu:~/oe$ gcc --version gcc (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) 4.3.3
[23:47:25] <denix> open /home/user/oe/arago-tmp/work/i686-linux/coreutils-native-7.2-r0/coreutils-7.2/config.log and look for specific errors somewhere at the end
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[23:47:57] <denix> can you paste that config.log in patebin?
[23:48:10] <el_chapo> where
[23:48:15] <el_chapo> where?
[23:48:20] <denix> http://pastebin.com/
[23:49:58] <el_chapo> the whole log?
[23:51:03] <denix> do you see the error message in the log? then paste only the relevant part
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[23:55:09] <el_chapo> I pasted the log into paste bin (the same nickname)
[23:56:05] <el_chapo> see lines 4x
[23:56:24] <denix> http://pastebin.com/m6c78a694
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[23:58:00] <denix> is it for coreutils-native? that's not right, as it needs native gcc not cross
[23:58:25] <denix> configure:3742: checking for i686-linux-gcc
[23:58:29] <denix> configure:3769: result: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[23:58:51] <denix> what's your env?
[23:59:56] <el_chapo> Ubuntu, x86