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  • [00:06:11] <torus> funky.. the dsp internal memory can be written to, but you can't read it.. :-)
  • [00:06:21] <mru> can't be
  • [00:17:41] <torus> mru: don't know - does this work for you? torus.untergrund.net/strange/physmem.c
  • [00:18:22] <mru> did you bring the IVA out of reset?
  • [00:18:29] <torus> nope..
  • [00:18:35] <torus> or - well.. maybe..
  • [00:18:41] <mru> funny things will happen if you didn't get that right
  • [00:18:54] <torus> heck yes.. I've loaded the dsplinkk.ko that I can't work with..
  • [00:19:10] <torus> good point!
  • [00:19:22] <mru> dsplink should take it out of reset
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  • [00:20:30] <torus> love the fact that the boot-rom start address is documented.. When I have the time I'll save it and take a look at it..
  • [00:21:03] <mru> you can't access the boot rom
  • [00:21:16] <mru> it's only accessible in arm secure mode
  • [00:21:25] <torus> it's mapped on the L3 interconnect..
  • [00:21:26] <mru> and secure mode only executes the rom
  • [00:21:33] <mru> it's mapped but protected
  • [00:21:39] <torus> oh I see.
  • [00:21:54] <mru> unless there's a chip bug you won't get to it
  • [00:22:31] * torus gives koens updated narcissus a try..
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  • [00:26:48] <torus> btw..
  • [00:26:52] <torus> koen, you're awake?
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  • [00:40:24] <mru> morning raster
  • [00:43:40] <raster> mru: emmareww! :)
  • [00:43:49] <raster> how goeth?
  • [00:44:09] <mru> one week to freedom
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  • [00:45:34] <raster> hehehehe
  • [00:45:36] <raster> awesome
  • [00:45:49] <raster> no code you're proud of lately?
  • [00:47:12] <mru> nothing spectacular
  • [00:48:26] <raster> :(
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  • [01:17:13] <djlewis> well, the domestics are done, doing a little star gazing :)
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  • [01:35:55] * torus just got a dsp-ping with the new image...
  • [01:36:19] <torus> with my own, self-compiled dsplink binaries...
  • [01:37:51] <hyc> woohoo, congrats torus
  • [01:41:43] <torus> now comes part two: merging the matching kernel-symbols with a rootfs that I like (a old one that I've already customized to my needs)
  • [01:41:49] <torus> but thanks..
  • [01:48:15] <torus> Okay! Works!
  • [01:48:52] <torus> only remaining problem: linux starts with the wrong usb-gadget mode..
  • [01:49:16] <torus> any idea how I can fix that? If I do modprobe g_ether by hand everything is fine...
  • [01:50:13] <GrizzlyAdams> you can make one of your bootscripts do that
  • [01:50:56] <GrizzlyAdams> depending on distro you use, /etc/rc.conf, /etc/modules.autoload, or something else similar
  • [01:51:09] <torus> true..
  • [01:51:13] <torus> stupid me.. thanks..
  • [01:51:15] <GrizzlyAdams> or you can rebuild your kernel
  • [01:51:33] <torus> it's a kernel option, right?
  • [01:51:55] <GrizzlyAdams> yep
  • [01:51:55] <torus> I have to do this sooner or later anyway...
  • [01:52:12] <torus> but for the moment config-files are okay..
  • [02:00:24] <GrizzlyAdams> anyone have the beagle as an svg ?
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  • [02:09:52] <torus> GrizzlyAdams, that funny dog-image?
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  • [02:42:06] <GrizzlyAdams> yes
  • [02:42:42] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm trying to make a sticker for my case, and my skills at bmp to svg arn't that good
  • [02:42:52] <torus> true..
  • [02:43:21] <torus> I've once have seen a .svg file, but I don't remember the website anymore.
  • [02:43:24] <GrizzlyAdams> and i don't know how well the printer can handle svgs with overlapping layers
  • [02:43:48] <torus> my image works and does exactly what I want btw.. .I'm super happy.
  • [02:44:06] <torus> tomorrow I'll customize the kernel a bit and remove all the stuff that I don't need.
  • [02:51:35] <torus> have a good night everyone..
  • [02:51:44] * torus is drinking his winner-beer now!
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  • [03:14:26] <zakkm> Is this beagleboard channel?
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  • [03:16:46] <GrizzlyAdams> i feel i must resist the urge to lead you astray, but yes, this is the beagleboard channel
  • [03:16:59] <djlewis> hehee
  • [03:17:58] <zakkm> hah sorry, i remember beagle being some other linux project name too
  • [03:18:02] <zakkm> so i was unsure
  • [03:18:19] <raster> zakkm: don't listen to them. this channel is all about drugs and pornography.
  • [03:18:28] <zakkm> sweet im in the right place then :D
  • [03:18:31] <raster> the name is a smokescreen to make us look innocent
  • [03:18:46] <zakkm> raster, your irc name is familar
  • [03:19:10] <raster> i'm a familiar kind of person :)
  • [03:19:17] <zakkm> anyways i was considering getting a beagle board to replace my desktop
  • [03:19:42] <raster> REPLACe a desktop?
  • [03:19:47] <raster> thats a reach
  • [03:19:47] <zakkm> yeah
  • [03:19:53] <zakkm> its not much of a desktop
  • [03:19:53] <djlewis> I am agast!
  • [03:19:55] <zakkm> not anymore
  • [03:20:03] <raster> do u expect it to be at least as fast?
  • [03:20:08] <raster> what is it
  • [03:20:12] <raster> ?
  • [03:20:38] <raster> as i have a good idea of "about" where a bb stands relative to x86's
  • [03:21:06] <raster> the bb will generate much less heat, noise and use much less juice...
  • [03:21:07] <zakkm> its just for simple video playback
  • [03:21:08] <zakkm> and web
  • [03:21:12] <raster> but... comes at a cost
  • [03:21:23] <raster> whats your desktop?
  • [03:21:25] <zakkm> which i know the omap is enough
  • [03:21:37] <zakkm> overclocked 3.33ghz machine, 4gb ram, geforce 8500gt pci-e 512mb..
  • [03:21:40] <zakkm> hah
  • [03:22:16] <djlewis> he's a leg puller
  • [03:22:58] <zakkm> nah i dont need ti to be fast anymore, trying to sell desktop to buy a beagle board
  • [03:23:22] <zakkm> i was just wondering if you guys knew a cheaper option for one, $149 doesnt seem like alot, but it sort of is to me
  • [03:23:40] <djlewis> that and a DVI monitor
  • [03:24:20] <djlewis> Plus another 100.00 for accessories
  • [03:24:24] <zakkm> i own a 23.3" 2048x1152
  • [03:24:31] <zakkm> im aware beagle board cant go that high res though
  • [03:24:37] <zakkm> i have it wallmounted in my room
  • [03:24:42] <zakkm> 100 for accessories?
  • [03:25:17] <djlewis> usb hub, ethernet, wifi, other stuff, SD cards and writer...
  • [03:25:47] <djlewis> 5vDC power brick
  • [03:26:07] <djlewis> an d not a millivolt over 5.2
  • [03:26:24] <djlewis> :)
  • [03:26:38] <zakkm> i own a usb hub, i dont need wifi, dont need sd card storage
  • [03:26:44] <zakkm> i guess ill need 5vDC power brick
  • [03:26:58] <djlewis> the OS goes on the SD
  • [03:27:42] <djlewis> and one is never enough when trying new kernels
  • [03:28:03] <zakkm> i own a 2gb SD
  • [03:28:06] <zakkm> which would be enough
  • [03:28:53] <djlewis> and when you sell your PC what will you use for a terminal connection to bring up BB?
  • [03:29:33] <zakkm> i have a zipit z2 that probably could, i think.. and other PCs in the household
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  • [03:31:10] <djlewis> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList
  • [03:33:21] <raster> zek well the bb clocks in somewhere around a 600mhz petium-m
  • [03:33:29] <raster> maybe less in some things
  • [03:33:44] <raster> so if u are happy with that generation of machine. then thats fine
  • [03:33:50] <djlewis> maybe more in others :)
  • [03:34:00] <djlewis> the DSP and NEON
  • [03:34:20] <raster> i've accounted for neon
  • [03:34:27] <djlewis> oh :(
  • [03:34:44] <raster> dsp may make up for a weaker gfgx
  • [03:34:48] <djlewis> your numbers sound bout right on raster
  • [03:34:51] <raster> ir his card can do motion competsation on the card
  • [03:34:59] <raster> compensation
  • [03:35:22] <raster> sgx will be probably weaker than the intel i8xx and i9xx of the day (id pentium-m days)
  • [03:35:27] <zakkm> yeah thats fine
  • [03:35:38] <djlewis> I have an old p-II moma bd and proc upstairs.
  • [03:35:39] <raster> as u dont have any real 2d accel
  • [03:35:56] <raster> djlewis: wow. oldest thing i have is the pentium-m box
  • [03:36:10] <djlewis> that is hardly my oldest.
  • [03:36:14] <raster> its a 1ghz thing - but it wont manage 1ghz for more than a minute or 2 before lowerin itself to 600mhz
  • [03:36:22] <djlewis> I still have 386 and 486's in intel
  • [03:36:22] <raster> (too much heat)
  • [03:36:54] <djlewis> but my oldest is a 1978 computer
  • [03:37:25] <raster> wow
  • [03:37:30] <raster> ok - u win
  • [03:37:32] <raster> :)
  • [03:37:38] <djlewis> unless my Altair's go back farther...
  • [03:37:57] <raster> i have a vic20 somewhere in an attic
  • [03:38:07] <raster> tho thaty is still relatively new... to an altair
  • [03:38:12] <djlewis> ooh, that's recent by comparison ;)
  • [03:38:13] <GrizzlyAdams> i have an apple II+ at the end of my bed
  • [03:39:21] <raster> djlewis: i know. :)
  • [03:40:11] <djlewis> wasn't the vic early 80's?
  • [03:40:46] <ds2> no TI 486's? :D
  • [03:40:56] <raster> djlewis: yeah.
  • [03:40:59] <djlewis> someone gave me one that I immediately gave away.
  • [03:41:31] <raster> i thoguht it was a fun little device
  • [03:41:48] <raster> announced 1980
  • [03:42:10] <djlewis> my 98 laptop seems faster than the BB and it is a pentium 260 mmx
  • [03:42:53] <raster> djlewis: "Seems" at what?
  • [03:42:56] <djlewis> p-266 (correction)
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  • [03:43:13] <raster> i thnik in compiling my p-m600 beats the bb - havent timed,. but its from memory
  • [03:43:27] <djlewis> well it loads w98 and several apps at same time and runs well.
  • [03:43:39] <raster> when it come to just rummaging thru memory and doing logic and ops on it.. the bb is about the same as the p-m600
  • [03:43:52] <raster> (ie benchmarked)
  • [03:43:58] <raster> so going off actual numbers there
  • [03:44:37] <djlewis> I have had a planetarim, program reading my telescope pos data and driving my dome while imaging with a specia; camera
  • [03:44:51] <raster> the p-m600 gets about 80 something as a scor, the bb around 60 - but the p-m has mmx and see to help it along
  • [03:45:08] <raster> so i'm accounting for that and raising the bb's score
  • [03:45:39] <djlewis> apples to apples. it takes multimedia app to use mmx
  • [03:46:01] <djlewis> or subtract the p-600 score
  • [03:46:40] <raster> sure
  • [03:46:41] * djlewis has been hearing from a p-400 and now to a p-m600
  • [03:46:51] <raster> i could disable the mmx/sse and see
  • [03:47:01] <raster> but from memory it should giv about 15% or so speedups
  • [03:47:08] <raster> so that brings them within spiting distance
  • [03:47:13] <djlewis> then there is cache
  • [03:47:38] <raster> sure
  • [03:47:44] <raster> there are lots of gotchas
  • [03:47:51] <raster> u cant compare 2 identical architectures perfectly
  • [03:47:51] <djlewis> the pentium has a dual pipeline to chew on instructions
  • [03:47:54] <raster> for every possible task
  • [03:48:14] <raster> its a rough thumb in the wind to see where its blowing comparison
  • [03:48:30] <ds2> is cpufreq enabled and throttling on the beagle?
  • [03:49:26] <raster> not sure
  • [03:49:46] <raster> a hile ago it wasnt
  • [03:49:49] <raster> wee a while ago
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  • [03:54:21] * djlewis isnt being fooled by the DST change. Time for sleep :)
  • [03:54:34] <djlewis> goodnight all
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  • [03:58:12] <raster> nite!
  • [03:58:22] <raster> benno: benno!
  • [04:00:13] <benno> raster: hello!
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  • [04:00:39] <benno> raster: didn't know you were hacking on this too
  • [04:01:05] <raster> well i was... and my bb died
  • [04:01:14] <raster> i hang around for the wonderful company :)
  • [04:01:36] <raster> tho i have an overo and an archos 5
  • [04:01:39] <raster> all use the same chip
  • [04:01:50] <benno> cool, yeah, it is a powerful little chip
  • [04:01:54] <raster> yeah
  • [04:02:06] <raster> tho it has been pipped by the s5pc110
  • [04:02:13] <raster> at least i've seen and play3ed with one
  • [04:02:27] <raster> tho the 36xx or 37xx (omap) might have something to say about that
  • [04:02:35] <raster> havent had one yet
  • [04:06:33] <benno> have you played with the graphics accelerator?
  • [04:07:19] <raster> i did at one point
  • [04:07:22] <raster> gles
  • [04:07:39] <raster> (no 2d - not even sure if thats possible thanks to no specs - or if the sgx has any 2d worth speaking of)
  • [04:07:50] <raster> i want impressed byt eh sgx
  • [04:07:58] <raster> not at all
  • [04:08:12] <raster> i'm awating a new working device i can fiddle with the sgx on
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  • [04:08:20] <raster> as i rewrote my gl engine
  • [04:08:42] <benno> you have your own GL engine?
  • [04:09:32] <raster> yes
  • [04:09:36] <raster> gl+gles2 in one
  • [04:09:43] <raster> it sticks to the gles2 subset of gl mostly
  • [04:09:51] <raster> and just the glx vs egl side is different
  • [04:10:06] <raster> (well linking and offline shader compilign is supported as i needed that for the s3c6410)
  • [04:10:10] <benno> oh cool, src ailable?
  • [04:10:15] <raster> software engine still trounces the gl engine in most things
  • [04:10:17] <raster> yup
  • [04:10:18] <raster> all in svn
  • [04:10:30] <raster> it SHOULd work on the sgx
  • [04:10:40] <raster> i did the main dev against the imgtec desktop emulation sdk
  • [04:10:47] <raster> leet me know if u have problems
  • [04:11:00] <benno> cool
  • [04:11:05] <benno> will try it out
  • [04:11:31] <raster> its just the gl egnine
  • [04:11:35] <raster> so set enigne to "gl"
  • [04:11:48] <raster> note... u may have problems with expedite atm as it now has test for evas's new "3d" stuff
  • [04:11:54] <raster> and i havent implemented the gl engine for that
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  • [04:11:55] <raster> only software
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  • [06:54:26] <PirCapAdi> hello all
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  • [06:56:46] <PirCapAdi> does the Angstrom demo image from 2009/06/12 have the ftdi_sio module included?
  • [06:57:06] <PirCapAdi> I am using Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2009.X-stable-20090612--beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
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  • [07:36:39] <Quan-Time_> what clock, if any, does a beagle have ?
  • [07:37:05] <Quan-Time_> any sort of RTC on it ? or is that only via addon.. if so, can i get a simple I2C and get it hooked in to work that way ?
  • [07:37:17] <Quan-Time_> mainly for time stamping log files and the like..
  • [07:37:45] <adj> several clock for different purposes. RTC is there and it is supported by linux
  • [07:38:38] <adj> afaik angstrom already uses the onboard RTC. On rev C3 you will have to solder a backup battery for it if you want to use it fully
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  • [07:52:33] <hamidparviz> hi
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  • [07:53:05] <hamidparviz> is there any one that can help me
  • [07:53:37] <hamidparviz> I need to know how I can connect an analogue video input to beagleboard?
  • [07:55:22] <adj> which way should the analogue video go? from beagle to some display of the other way around?
  • [07:57:33] <hamidparviz> No, I need to connect a camera with composite video output to beagleborad and capture the image in this device
  • [07:59:05] <adj> usb video grabber should be what you are looking for
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  • [08:03:45] <hamidparviz> I need grabber devices that give me raw data of video signal but many capturing devices give Mpeg or Jpeg format in output
  • [08:04:08] <hamidparviz> can you suggest me proper device
  • [08:05:59] <adj> sorry, no, i know nothing of such devices
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  • [08:19:33] <av500> hamidparviz: google is your friend
  • [08:20:08] <av500> http://www.google.com/search?q=usb+video+grabber+uncompressed
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  • [08:21:58] <hrw> morning
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  • [08:26:45] <jake_> hi all..
  • [08:27:07] <jake_> nand on ma BB got erased... how to restore it??
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  • [08:32:20] <adj> boot e.g. from SD card and reflash nand
  • [08:32:35] <adj> follow steps described at: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
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  • [08:37:02] <koen> good morning all
  • [08:37:22] <adj> good morning
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  • [08:37:51] <jake_> but am not getting any reponse on console
  • [08:38:13] <jake_> only one led glowing
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  • [08:39:42] <jake_> koen hi..
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  • [09:40:48] <koen> hrw: is http://patchwork.openembedded.org/project/openembedded/list/?state=*&q=oe%2CSTABLE up to date?
  • [09:45:45] <hrw> yes
  • [09:46:19] <hrw> I plan to drop tht powerpc one
  • [09:46:44] <hrw> dropped
  • [09:47:04] <hrw> I do not have powerpc devices and it was part of larger queue one time
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  • [10:50:47] <eFfeM> koen, did you by any chance have time to build the mythplugins recipe ?
  • [10:51:23] <koen> not yet
  • [10:51:50] <eFfeM> ok ,will see if i have more time for it this afternoon
  • [10:51:59] <eFfeM> first see what the backend does on beagle
  • [10:53:46] <eFfeM> beagle usb does not like my pvrusb2 card; I have to remove my usb ethernet then it gets fully initialised
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  • [10:58:03] <olekde> Hello. Could you please advise if there will be new revision of the board with more RAM available?
  • [10:58:59] <tasslehoff> In our own beagle-inspired design, we're considering throwing out the flash and use sd/microsd only. Just wanted to say it out loud in case someone says "what?? are you mad????"
  • [10:59:42] <koen> tasslehoff: saves 6 bucks :)
  • [11:01:09] <olekde> I agree ROM is not so important but what about RAM?
  • [11:01:31] <olekde> Will be some added?
  • [11:02:19] <hrw> olekde: when 512MB pop modules will be available on market then new BB probably will happen
  • [11:02:45] <tasslehoff> olekde: yep
  • [11:03:15] <olekde> Got it :)
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  • [11:03:32] <olekde> Thanks
  • [11:04:10] <av500> tasslehoff: what is so mad about that?
  • [11:05:09] <tasslehoff> av500: I think it's very sane, but I just wanted to check the more experienced beagles agree. :)
  • [11:05:25] <tasslehoff> (if)
  • [11:06:05] <av500> tasslehoff: all depends on your use case
  • [11:10:05] <koen> olekde: NAND != ROM
  • [11:10:32] <tasslehoff> av500: usually does :)
  • [11:11:06] <av500> e.g. we used to have a small 2MB rom to boot+kernel, rest was on mass storage and in ram disk....
  • [11:13:56] <tasslehoff> av500: I'm thinking sd with 4 partitions. /boot with MLO, u-boot.bin and uImage. root file systems in /image1 and /image2, and a /data partition for storage.
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  • [11:17:14] <av500> tasslehoff: sure
  • [11:18:58] <olekde> koen: Thank you I know what is the difference between RAM and ROM :) but I was curios about when the RAM boost will happen on Beagle Board
  • [11:19:40] <mru> when bigger chips are available I guess
  • [11:20:07] <mru> price might be a factor too
  • [11:20:17] <mru> hopefully not a factor two
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  • [11:20:38] <olekde> mru: hope not :)
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  • [11:21:59] <av500> mobile DDR2 has the not so nice feature of staying expensive...
  • [11:22:57] <eFfeM> tasslehoff: mind the performance, not sure about read/write speed of internal nand vs sd and also not sure about the extra boot time (not sure for sd, but over usb that is not too nice as you need to init usb)
  • [11:26:33] <av500> eFfeM: a small system could live happily all in RAM, so SD would just be used to boot and store data...
  • [11:28:16] <mru> sd is as fast as internal nand if figures people posted here are accurate
  • [11:28:28] <mru> depends on the sd card of course
  • [11:30:10] <tasslehoff> we will be quite picky when we choose the sd card :)
  • [11:30:33] <eFfeM> av500: i know, but in a previous life i had a job making sure that our system booted fast
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  • [11:31:43] <mru> why do people fret so much over boot times anyway?
  • [11:31:58] <av500> eFfeM: sure, but again depends on whether you boot X11+ooffice or a small industrial app...
  • [11:32:03] <tasslehoff> eFfeM: That will be quite important here
  • [11:32:05] <mru> most of my stuff reboots at most once a month
  • [11:32:13] <mru> a second this way or that doesn't really matter
  • [11:32:41] <av500> mru: I reboot when /dev/usbTTYxx reaches 3 digit figures...
  • [11:32:47] * av500 curses USB and FTDI
  • [11:33:00] <mru> it doesn't unregister properly?
  • [11:33:36] <av500> yes, N disappears, but is still locked inside the kernel, so it comes up as N+!
  • [11:33:38] <av500> +1
  • [11:33:48] <mru> I use pl2303 serial ports
  • [11:34:02] <mru> they have their glitches, but not that one
  • [11:34:04] <av500> pl2303 supports 1mbit?
  • [11:34:10] <mru> don't know, don't care
  • [11:34:16] * av500 cares
  • [11:34:18] <mru> I can't type faster than 115200 anyway
  • [11:34:35] <av500> neither can I, but debug output can
  • [11:34:54] <mru> I don't need debug output, I write correct code
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  • [11:42:47] <tasslehoff> why is the uImage stored in the primary fat partition and not taken from /boot of the rootfs? because we want it in a nice place with a filesystem we know u-boot likes?
  • [11:43:19] <mru> uboot doesn't like ext2/3 much
  • [11:43:25] <koen> what mru said
  • [11:43:37] <mru> and it likes more exotic filesystems even less
  • [11:43:58] <av500> zfs ftw!
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  • [11:47:18] <tasslehoff> ok. I'm thinking on how to switch to the new software after upgrade. does this sound ok: image1 receives a tar.gz with the new software, unpacks it to /image2, copies the new uImage over to /boot/uImage2 and somehow changes bootcmd and bootargs in u-boot to select the correct uImage and rootFs.
  • [11:47:41] <eFfeM> tasslehoff: if you want fast boot go for nor flash (but it will cost you an additional $ )
  • [11:47:48] <hrw> tasslehoff: s/somehow/by using uboot-utils/
  • [11:48:58] <mru> or by using boot.scr
  • [11:50:20] <av500> tasslehoff: so a "ping pong" update scheme :-)
  • [11:50:24] <tasslehoff> eFfeM, hrw, mru: thanks
  • [11:50:31] <tasslehoff> av500: exactly :)
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  • [11:51:14] <mru> I'd try to include some mechanism to fall back on the old one if the update fails
  • [11:51:17] <tasslehoff> in case something goes bad I want to have a good image to go back to (unless the bad image has ruined the good one)
  • [11:51:31] <tasslehoff> mru: yep, that's the reason for the elaborate scheme :)
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  • [11:53:40] <hrw> tasslehoff: keep one kernel-with-initramfs for updating/rescue + second for device use
  • [11:53:52] <hrw> tasslehoff: and never update first one in field
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  • [11:55:52] <tasslehoff> hrw: I _almost_ understood that, but I need to read up on initramfs (my building embedded linux systems is still not opened)
  • [11:56:28] <mru> might be possible to do all you need with u-boot
  • [11:56:47] <hrw> might be
  • [11:56:56] <mru> the trick is how to detect an update is broken and revert back
  • [11:58:10] <av500> e.g. the kernel fails to boot through...
  • [11:58:16] <mru> can u-boot delete files from fat?
  • [11:58:28] <av500> mru: it can be taught to do that...
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  • [11:59:22] <av500> maybe just renaming one char is enough to mark as "bad!
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  • [12:02:36] <hrw> before VFAT all you needed was change first char of filename to 0xa9 iirc
  • [12:03:30] <kblin> you probably need to break both the long name and the short name for vfat
  • [12:04:27] <av500> hrw: and you dont want to free the clusters?
  • [12:06:31] <mru> renaming the file would work too
  • [12:06:42] <mru> almost any alteration of the filesystem would work
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  • [12:07:10] <mru> here's my idea:
  • [12:07:33] <mru> 1. old system unpacks update and places a marker on the boot partition
  • [12:07:53] <hrw> av500: that you can do with fsck later
  • [12:07:57] <mru> 2. u-boot notices marker, deletes marker, and boots the new image
  • [12:08:09] <mru> 3. new image makes itself default if booted successfully
  • [12:08:25] <mru> 4. if unsuccessful, u-boot will boot old system again on next boot
  • [12:08:40] <tasslehoff> mru: I like that one :)
  • [12:09:06] <mru> step 3 should be the very last thing you do in the boot process
  • [12:09:19] <mru> possibly after some validation
  • [12:09:43] <mru> include some user interaction for extra safety
  • [12:09:46] <av500> mru: ask the user "did the system just boot: YES|NO"...
  • [12:09:54] <mru> yeah, like that ;-)
  • [12:10:10] <mru> but maybe "do you want to make this version the default?"
  • [12:10:14] <kblin> hehe
  • [12:10:28] <av500> mru: and "don't show me this message again [ ]"
  • [12:10:38] <kblin> "huh? I see no boot here" [X] No [ ] Yes
  • [12:10:40] <mru> that would be implicit...
  • [12:11:32] <av500> kblin: ja, you have to get a good translation for all languages: "hat das system ein stiefel?"
  • [12:12:17] <koen> heh
  • [12:12:18] <koen> cute
  • [12:12:28] <mru> can you verb nouns in german? "ist das system gestiefelt?"
  • [12:12:37] <kblin> yeah
  • [12:12:39] <av500> of course
  • [12:12:46] <kblin> but that's too correct to work
  • [12:13:06] <kblin> the translation from the original chinese question has to look like done by a korean
  • [12:13:21] <mru> can't be... it's over 10 years since I studied german
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  • [12:13:56] <tasslehoff> where can I find the i2c addresses used on the beagle?
  • [12:13:59] <av500> mru: so you was a good student
  • [12:14:21] <mru> me good? sounds contradictory..
  • [12:14:37] <av500> sorry, outstanding :)
  • [12:15:01] <mru> yes, standing outside, not studying ;-)
  • [12:15:31] <kblin> mru: :)
  • [12:15:40] <mru> av500: btw, did you see the fatelf thread on lkml?
  • [12:15:55] <mru> alan cox completely dismissed it
  • [12:16:01] <av500> did he
  • [12:16:47] <mru> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/908229
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  • [12:18:57] <av500> "- Now we are getting desperate." nice
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  • [12:20:14] <koen> "So why exactly do we want FatELF. It was obsoleted in the early 1990s
  • [12:20:15] <koen> when architecture handling was introduced into package managers."
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  • [12:52:30] <WeCool> Hey all
  • [12:52:49] <WeCool> I gotta little question concerning the muxing
  • [12:52:58] * av500 hides
  • [12:53:17] <WeCool> if I want a uart on gpios
  • [12:53:54] <WeCool> I change the mode
  • [12:54:27] <WeCool> for example in mode 4 I got the GPIO 140
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  • [12:54:42] <WeCool> and in mode 1 the uart
  • [12:54:48] <WeCool> I change to mode 1
  • [12:55:00] <WeCool> and on GPIO 140 I got a UART ?
  • [12:55:16] <WeCool> (mode 1 is the uart mode)
  • [12:55:33] <av500> and the question is?
  • [12:55:36] <WeCool> lol
  • [12:55:48] <WeCool> GPIO becomes a UART ?
  • [12:57:38] <WeCool> hmmm if I change the mode from 4 to 1 where 4 is gpio140 and 1 is uart does the gpio140 becomes a uart ? or is it just disabled ?
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  • [12:58:07] <av500> WeCool: pinmux decides whether you see GPIO or UART on the pin
  • [12:58:18] <av500> it does not affect at all the GPIO or UART block
  • [12:59:36] <WeCool> av500: hmm I don't get it entirely ... If I want a UART on the GPIOs how do I do ?
  • [12:59:58] <av500> you setup the pixmux to have uart on the pin
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  • [13:01:05] <WeCool> av500: So what I said earlier was good ?
  • [13:01:33] <av500> yes
  • [13:02:00] <WeCool> av500: ok ! I was just confusing myself thank you !
  • [13:02:15] <av500> pas de probleme
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  • [13:05:58] <dekroning> hi
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  • [14:16:23] <splashote> hi, i keep getting the error code: Error: Something terrible happened --- Flush failed
  • [14:17:09] <splashote> what to do? beagle-ping does not work due to that and although beagle seems to be indexing, it keeps posting this error.
  • [14:20:06] <koen> see topic
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  • [14:22:11] <splashote> sry, thx
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  • [14:40:55] <BitBass> morning
  • [14:41:35] <BitBass> Anyone awake at this point?
  • [14:41:48] <Crofton|work> maybe, depends who is asking
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  • [14:42:04] <BitBass> hehe...well, I'm new to the club
  • [14:42:26] <BitBass> just curious about some Beagleboard capabilities
  • [14:43:08] <av500> Curiosity killed the cat
  • [14:43:20] <BitBass> good thing I'm not a cat
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  • [14:44:32] <BitBass> looks like BB doesn't support digital audio for surround sound. Am I reading that right? Is there a plan to implement that?
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  • [14:45:21] <adj> external usb sound thingy should work
  • [14:45:34] <av500> I guess you mean sound via HDMI?
  • [14:45:35] <BitBass> hmm...ok
  • [14:45:58] <av500> you can of course decode any "digital" sound on the BB and output as analog
  • [14:46:12] <av500> or there are USB->SPDIF thingies maybe
  • [14:46:50] <av500> http://www.hagtech.com/hagusb.html
  • [14:47:47] <BitBass> ouch...spendy...looks like it might do the trick though
  • [14:49:01] <BitBass> not necessarily via HDMI although that would be nice too...the SPDIF is more like what I was looking for
  • [14:49:39] <BitBass> considering a media front end (I know I'm not the first) but the digital audio is pretty important
  • [14:49:41] <av500> you could maybe use some of the omap3 signals to create a SPDIF signal...
  • [14:49:47] <BitBass> thanks for the tips
  • [14:49:52] <BitBass> hmm
  • [14:50:14] <BitBass> and output it how? a custom adapter?
  • [14:50:30] <adj> terratec has some cheap devices with s/pdif output. They are around ~20 euros even here
  • [14:50:49] <av500> you could use the I2S McBSP ports to do that, the only issue is to have the proper clock
  • [14:51:01] <av500> that would need to come from outside maybe
  • [14:51:51] <av500> yep, @19.99 here
  • [14:51:53] <av500> err ???
  • [14:58:57] <BitBass> thanks guys...you've given me some ideas to think about
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  • [15:02:50] <Kaptah> http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/62537-usb-spdif-converter.html
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  • [15:16:55] <dual> Hey guys http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/02/xbmc-arm-port-teased-will-manage-hd-playback-from-pocket-sized/
  • [15:17:09] <dual> Beagle board is on engadget :)
  • [15:18:09] * av500 wonders how "proper HD" will be achieved :)
  • [15:18:46] <dual> It'll be interesting to see
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  • [15:20:18] <_koen_1> brijesh: good morning!
  • [15:20:38] <brijesh> _koen_1: hey morning koen
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  • [15:22:34] <_koen_1> brijesh: can I do mem=99M now with your initscript?
  • [15:23:13] <brijesh> _Koen_1: u r asking abt gst-ti boot script? if so then yes
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  • [15:23:55] <_koen_1> brijesh: yes, about that one :)
  • [15:24:01] <sammi> hello i want to use the gpio but i cant get it to work. i followed Laurents tutorial exactly (http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/db4accfabf02d986/c623a16637625685?lnk=gst&q=gpio+driver&utoken=oEM0py4AAADt1MNSQyAzza8h7Om2E8emWJX0y57wkie6p0U_N5LhtHDU1xfQ1uDPnPr_NCovE4o) and i can get the leds to work using the first example but not the gpio. can somebody help please?
  • [15:25:52] <adj> how's your pin muxing?
  • [15:27:57] <sammi> not sure i follow. i was just trying to get control over a single pin. i cant even make the leds work using the gpio method
  • [15:28:37] <adj> before you can control the pin you must set its muxing values correctly to enable it
  • [15:29:00] <adj> iirc, by default all gpios are configured as inputs
  • [15:29:58] <adj> you must configure it as an output first if you want to control it
  • [15:30:33] <_koen_1> brijesh: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=447e30da5d5555f702f147f31f7960a80fbc3181
  • [15:31:14] <sammi> adj: okay. erm some of the pins are high and some are low by default. is this okay?
  • [15:31:31] <av500> sammi: depends on how they are configured and connected
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  • [15:32:32] <sammi> adj: well with no configuring. just took a few multimeter readings and some of the pins are 1.8v some are 0v. is this normal?
  • [15:33:18] <adj> < av500> sammi: depends on how they are configured and connected
  • [15:35:00] <sammi> adj: okay il take it as fine for now. so how would i go about making some of them into outputs?
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  • [15:39:13] <adj> you will need either custom u-boot or a custom kernel for that
  • [15:40:15] <adj> i prefer modifying u-boot but some wiser people say it's a job belonging to the kernel
  • [15:40:46] <av500> I think the BB should come with 8 gios on LEDs and a knight rider theme...
  • [15:42:04] <sammi> how would i modify u-boot to make a few gpio pins be outputs?
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  • [15:46:13] <Crofton|work> has anyone built beagle-demo-image recently?
  • [15:46:27] <av500> not me :)
  • [15:46:28] <eFfeM> av500, knight rider is sooo 20th century :-)
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  • [15:49:41] <eFfeM> anybody experience with qt4 and mysql? I get
  • [15:49:46] <eFfeM> /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so: undefined symbol: mysql_server_init
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  • [15:50:29] <eFfeM> only solution i found on the web is add -lmysql when invoking qmake, but we do not seem to have a libmysql
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  • [15:51:27] <torus> hello everyone
  • [15:52:31] <av500> eFfeM: cant you tell at4 to not use mysql
  • [15:52:45] <koen> Crofton|work: I built it 2 days ago
  • [15:52:46] <av500> eFfeM: qt4
  • [15:53:03] <av500> torus: tach
  • [15:53:03] <eFfeM> av500: i'm trying to get mythtv to work and that wants qt4 with mysql
  • [15:53:45] <eFfeM> guess mythtv does want to use its database
  • [15:54:22] <koen> eFfeM: don't you mean either libmysqld or libmysqlclient?
  • [15:55:49] <Crofton|work> koen, so you are the freak :)
  • [15:55:54] <eFfeM> koen, will try those i was not sure which one I needed thougth I needed qt4-plugin-sqldriver-sqlmysql after that got the above error when starting the backend
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  • [15:56:03] <eFfeM> and before it said it did not know how to connect
  • [15:57:27] <eFfeM> i've installed mysqlclient
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  • [16:02:36] <koen> Crofton|work: which freak?
  • [16:03:49] <Crofton|work> of the three people trying to build beagle-demo-image, it only works for you :)
  • [16:05:00] <prpplague> Crofton|work: koen is freaky no matter what
  • [16:05:09] * prpplague jokes with koen
  • [16:05:34] <koen> :)
  • [16:05:46] <koen> NOTE: Running task 10093 of 10096 (ID: 11, /OE/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/images/beagleboard-demo-image.bb, do_rootfs)
  • [16:05:57] <koen> that was 2 minutes ago :)
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  • [16:06:55] <hrw|gone> koen: can you review 854, 1199, 1200 in patchwork?
  • [16:07:00] * hrw|gone is now known as hrw
  • [16:07:01] <hrw> re
  • [16:07:42] <koen> hrw: 854 can have my ack
  • [16:07:58] <hrw> thx
  • [16:08:02] <koen> 1199 as well
  • [16:08:18] <koen> 1200 as well
  • [16:08:24] <koen> I'll reply to 1199 and 1200
  • [16:08:27] <torus> does anyone knows where to get the sources for the CMEM module?
  • [16:08:32] <hrw> thx
  • [16:08:40] <hrw> koen: pshing 854 then with your ack
  • [16:08:49] <hrw> will wait for mails for 1199/1200
  • [16:09:57] <av500> torus: TI website
  • [16:10:16] <torus> av500 thanks. will have a look...
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  • [16:12:37] <confused> hi i am confused. can somebody explain to me what the mux number is about for the expansion header as described in the system manual?
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  • [16:21:10] <orbarron> morning all
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  • [16:26:06] <_koen_1> hey orbarron
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  • [16:30:34] <Berco> av500, mru : I'm looking at the memcopy arm neon optimized function in assembler. I don't understand what ",:128" does in the instruction "vld1.64 {d0-d3},[r1,:128]!". Do you know?
  • [16:30:53] <mru> it promises that r1 is a multiple of 16
  • [16:31:54] <Berco> mru - thanks
  • [16:32:25] <mru> it saves one cycle in the vld1 instruction
  • [16:33:15] <av500> mru: and if the promise is broken?
  • [16:34:42] <hrw> koen: opkg upgrade takes eons after distro-pr bump
  • [16:36:09] <mru> av500: then you die
  • [16:36:30] <av500> i guess that is the "undocumented" part....
  • [16:36:50] <av500> trustzone etc..
  • [16:36:54] <mru> you get sent to heaven or hell as determined by your die ID
  • [16:37:25] <confused> how does u boot configure gpio?
  • [16:37:57] <koen> hrw: I know, my beagle is still muching upgrades
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  • [16:42:08] <confused> i keep reading things about "arch/arm/plat-omap/mux.h" but where actually is it?
  • [16:42:22] <av500> in the linux kernel
  • [16:42:29] <av500> linux/arch/arm/plat-omap/mux.h
  • [16:42:57] <confused> how do i access it?
  • [16:43:06] <koen> vi
  • [16:43:10] <mru> emacs!
  • [16:43:22] <koen> jed </raster>
  • [16:43:27] <hrw> nano
  • [16:43:31] <mru> ugh
  • [16:43:57] <mru> I think I'll name some app ugh...
  • [16:44:01] <adj> i place my bet on pico
  • [16:44:06] <hrw> or for those who know good tools: with CygnusEd v4.2
  • [16:44:37] * mru waits for femto
  • [16:44:52] <confused> can i put another way. what exactly do i need to do (first steps) to get gpio as outputs. i need a few inputs and outputs to be controlled by a software that i will eventualy write
  • [16:46:22] <koen> hrw: I'm testing opkg r240 on another beagle to see how it handles mega upgrades
  • [16:47:32] <koen> hrw: multiple people are fixing bugs in opkg!
  • [16:47:53] <hrw> thats good
  • [16:48:15] <torus> confused, how about this:http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/02/blinking_leds_with_the_beagle_board.html ?
  • [16:51:02] <confused> torus: i will try this. thanks. ive been pulling my hair out over this gpio thing for weeks
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  • [16:52:30] <torus> confused, :-) don't we all pull out our hair?
  • [16:53:41] <confused> torus: in a bad way...
  • [16:53:47] <torus> hey - while I'm at it: The ARM-side / linux does not touch the EDMA3 at all, correct?
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  • [16:54:18] <torus> confused, noone said it's easy to get everything working ..
  • [16:54:35] <av500> torus: why not?
  • [16:55:56] <torus> av500, for someone who only used linux as a user doing all this patching/kernel-compiling/configuring stuff is hard.
  • [16:56:20] <confused> torus: it doesnt work :'( i get this error over and over gpiostrobe: line 24: can't create /sys/class/gpio/gpio/direction: nonexistent dy
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  • [16:57:50] <av500> torus: no, about EDMA3...
  • [17:00:07] <adj> confused: it will not work until you set up correct mux values
  • [17:01:06] <torus> av500, don't know. in the omap3 docs, when they talk about DMA they always refer to something called sDMA (??).. EDMA3 is only mentioned in conjunction with the DSP.
  • [17:01:44] <torus> av500, therefore I hope the EDMA3 is free for programming from the DSP side without having a linux-kernel messing up stuff on the other gpp-side of the omap3.
  • [17:01:45] <av500> torus: right, could well be
  • [17:02:22] <av500> torus: and you dont want to use an existing framework like dsplink?
  • [17:02:51] <torus> av500, I want to use dsplink... Basically anything that lets me load programs and send messages is fine.
  • [17:03:00] <confused> adj: torus: so how do i set up the mux values please?
  • [17:03:04] <av500> then link is for you
  • [17:03:07] <torus> av500 and since yesterday night I also have dsplink working :-)
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  • [17:03:37] <torus> confused, I don't now. I never had to toy around with the pinmuxing before.
  • [17:03:47] <hrw> * Package e2fsprogs-uuidgen wants to install file /usr/bin/uuidgen But that file is already provided by package * util-linux-ng
  • [17:04:11] <adj> confused: check u-boot sources and search for beagle.h
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  • [17:04:49] <av500> torus: good!
  • [17:06:21] <torus> ambitious goal for tonight: Get my program on the DSP running, take control over the McASP and do simple streaming from line-in to line-out with minimal latency (< 3ms)
  • [17:07:09] <av500> torus: there might be a shortcut in the codec itself, 0ms :-)
  • [17:08:05] <torus> av500, hehe.. yep. I know. Afaik there is a mixer that can route internally, but I want to post-process the audio in realtime later (basically I want to write my own guitar multieffect unit)
  • [17:08:30] <av500> yes of course
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  • [17:08:41] <torus> re confused_
  • [17:09:15] <confused_> torus: disconnected for a sec
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  • [17:13:00] <hrw> bye
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  • [17:14:35] <confused_> adj: how would i start changing stuff?
  • [17:15:02] <adj> did you locate the correct file with lots and lots of settings?
  • [17:16:15] <confused_> actually i could use some help finding it...
  • [17:17:02] <adj> i assume you have the sources there in front of you?
  • [17:17:19] <confused_> nope
  • [17:17:28] <confused_> i dont know where they are
  • [17:19:07] <adj> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
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  • [17:21:56] <confused_> adj: i have the actual file u-boot.bin
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  • [17:23:09] <adj> good luck with that, might be pretty hard to modify correctly :)
  • [17:23:16] <espa> algun desarrollador espa??ol?
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  • [17:24:05] <espa> alguien usa dlp como captador de imagen?
  • [17:24:15] <adj> confused_: you need the _sources_. You do have compilers working and know hot to compile stuff for beagle, don't you?
  • [17:24:41] <espa> tengo una duda
  • [17:24:43] <confused_> i can compile my c code with the codesourcery prog
  • [17:24:52] <mru> espa: ingles por favor
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  • [17:25:20] <espa> no se ingles
  • [17:25:30] <adj> confused_: good. elinux.org will tell you how to get u-boot sources and how to compile them
  • [17:25:33] <espa> xao
  • [17:25:37] <mru> hmm... anyone speak spanish?
  • [17:25:51] <av500> una cervesa por favor...
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  • [17:26:14] <adj> :)
  • [17:26:18] <mru> av500: that's not "speaking spanish", that's "drinking beer"
  • [17:26:22] <torus> av500, *lol* that's exactly the same sentence that I remember.
  • [17:26:32] <av500> gee, how did I mix that up...
  • [17:26:33] <mru> it's a universal skill
  • [17:26:45] <av500> dos helados por favor
  • [17:27:41] <av500> i don' t habla espa??ol pero el babelfish hace eso para m??
  • [17:27:55] <torus> Oh! Beagleboard is on slashdot!
  • [17:28:26] <av500> yes, the very same full HD promise....
  • [17:29:10] <torus> av500, with HD, the problem is not decoding speed but the video output capabilities, right?
  • [17:29:16] <av500> of course: "...Then there is also VDPAU. I know there isn't an ARM port (YET!). Feature Set C decodes nearly everything in HD. I was playing 1080p with 10% CPU...."
  • [17:29:29] <mru> torus: both
  • [17:29:33] <av500> torus: bith
  • [17:29:35] <av500> both
  • [17:29:55] <mru> av500: reading /.?
  • [17:30:04] <av500> when forced to...
  • [17:30:09] <mru> that's the kind of stupidity I'd expect there
  • [17:30:22] <torus> mru: I've seen HD on a DaVinci two or three years ago.. Omap3 at least feels faster..
  • [17:30:38] <av500> torus: sure, on a davinci HD....
  • [17:30:44] <mru> omap3 has faster arm, davinci has faster dsp
  • [17:30:49] <torus> av500, exactly.
  • [17:31:03] <av500> torus: well, dv HD has HW 1080 decoder...
  • [17:31:10] <av500> omap3 has not
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  • [17:31:25] <av500> omap4 will have...
  • [17:31:30] <torus> mru: but afaik the video decoder peripherials are now documented,.... (that hasn't been the case for the DaVinci)
  • [17:31:43] <confused_> adj: still cant find what im looking for. what exactly am i looking for?
  • [17:31:55] <mru> torus: no public docs (yet)
  • [17:32:08] <adj> confused_: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot
  • [17:32:12] <mru> the dsp is documented, not the video accelerators
  • [17:32:34] <torus> mru: aehm.. okay. good to know..
  • [17:33:01] <torus> seems like I have a non-public doc then..
  • [17:33:15] <av500> torus: for omap3 there are docs
  • [17:33:33] <av500> davinci/davinci HD are not documented
  • [17:33:58] <av500> but your guitar effect will manage without :-)
  • [17:34:07] <confused_> adj: im meant to do this bit? git clone git://git.denx.de/u-boot.git u-boot-main
  • [17:34:30] <adj> yes
  • [17:37:26] <torus> mru there has been some discussion about getting neon support for the theora codec lately on the theora-dev mailing list.. Someone has taken a look at the work you've already done for ffmpeg, but there are license issues..
  • [17:38:11] <torus> mru: just wondering if you would be willing to grant a compatible license for the stuff (basically Idct and a bunch of recon-loops).
  • [17:38:21] <mru> I didn't write that code
  • [17:38:26] <mru> Yuvi did
  • [17:38:28] <torus> oh. I thought so..
  • [17:38:54] <torus> then I'l contact Yuvi (hope he put his email into the source somewhere)...
  • [17:39:30] <torus> it seems silly to me to reinvent the wheel when there is already a tried and trusted implementation out there.. just to get around the differences between two open source licenses.
  • [17:39:57] <mru> it seems silly to me spend even one minute on theora
  • [17:40:04] <mru> face it, it's crap
  • [17:40:05] <av500> :)
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  • [17:41:49] <torus> mru: it has become a lot better lately.. the benefit of theora is not speed nor quality, it's the fact that you can use it without risking to get sued for patent infringement.
  • [17:41:57] <confused_> adj: aha okay i have a bunch of folders of files...
  • [17:42:29] <av500> torus: gee, ye olde argument
  • [17:42:36] <torus> :-)
  • [17:42:48] <av500> H264 costs 25c...
  • [17:43:04] <adj> confused_: good. Now check that you are able to build it as per the instructions
  • [17:45:31] <mru> "theora got better" is a blatant lie
  • [17:45:44] <mru> the bitstream format is the same
  • [17:45:51] <mru> and that's where the real problem is
  • [17:46:01] <torus> mru but they don't use the brain-dead quantization tables anymore...
  • [17:46:14] <mru> it has som many builtin deficiencies it's not even funny
  • [17:46:23] <av500> torus: there is still an upper limit of what can be achieved, they got closer to that...
  • [17:46:25] <mru> motion vectors restricted to 16 pixels...
  • [17:46:32] <confused_> adj: everything run through okay, but i cant find the bin file thats its suposed to make
  • [17:46:44] <mru> might work on qcir foreman, not much else
  • [17:46:48] <mru> qcif
  • [17:46:50] <av500> mru: so its good for slow movies :)
  • [17:47:01] <torus> hehe
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  • [17:47:43] <mru> and storing the bitstream elements in a different order than the processing order is just insane
  • [17:48:01] <mru> can you hear that cache thrashing?
  • [17:48:02] <adj> confused_: if there are no errors u-boot.bin should appear
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  • [17:48:26] * mru had a computer once where he could hear the cache thrashing
  • [17:49:14] <torus> I've used theora for a couple of video-games in the past, and it just worked (something I cannot say about all the third party codecs that came for the consoles). Therefore it still like it.. It saved weeks of debugging.
  • [17:49:22] <torus> mru: cache trashing on the headphones?
  • [17:49:39] <mru> yeah
  • [17:49:56] <torus> mru: I know. my last desktop system had the same "feature":.
  • [17:52:00] <torus> okay - gotta go.. till later.
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  • [17:53:52] <confused_> adj: seems to be doing better this time around (seems i forget to set the PATH last time...)
  • [17:54:58] <confused_> okay i have a bunch of new u-boot files in the folder i dwnloaded. one is u-boot.bin :)
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  • [17:59:08] <adj> now search for beagle.h and see how it could be changed to match your setup
  • [18:00:22] <confused_> adj: thats the only file that i need to do anything with to make my gpio pins work as outputs and inputs?
  • [18:00:32] <adj> yep
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  • [18:02:03] <confused_> so i find what i need, change it to suit me. recompile the whole project. stick my new u-boot.bin on the SD. problem solved? :D
  • [18:02:24] <adj> hopefully :)
  • [18:05:10] <confused_> adj: i really appreciate all this help. thank you. the file is /include/configs/omam3_beagle.h ??
  • [18:05:18] <confused_> #omap3
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  • [18:06:35] <adj> umm, no. Within that file you can do several different things to tune your u-boot experience
  • [18:07:41] <adj> ./board/ti/beagle/beagle.h
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  • [18:08:51] <confused_> adj: thank youuu!
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  • [18:11:19] <confused_> adj: your gonna kill me... what do i do next? beagle.h open
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  • [18:16:02] <adj> which gpio do you want to configure as an output?
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  • [18:18:50] <adj> which ever it is, you can copy the values from a line which configures gpio 149 and 150 to the relevant lines
  • [18:19:13] <confused_> adj: hmm i hadnt thought that far ahead. ill probable go for half inputs half outputs
  • [18:19:39] <confused_> adj: because gpio 149 and 150 are already configured as outputs?
  • [18:20:06] <adj> yes. They are connected to the transistors which control the onboard leds
  • [18:20:46] <confused_> okay theyre under 'modem interface' in the .h file
  • [18:21:40] <adj> yeah, right after "bluetooth" :)
  • [18:22:53] <confused_> got them. which bit means gpio149? uart1_rts? and the rest means output
  • [18:24:57] <adj> uart1_rts just refers to the function which the pin has when it's configured to Mode 0
  • [18:25:27] <adj> description for the rest of those lines is at the beginning of the file
  • [18:27:24] <confused_> adj: ah got it. so i just need to change the last 4 pieces for each of the gpio i want to use?
  • [18:27:42] <confused_> IEN, PTD and the rest
  • [18:28:50] <adj> propably you only need to change IEN --> IDIS and EN --> DIS. M4 means that the pin is in GPIO mode
  • [18:30:21] <confused_> adj: M4 refers to the column in the table in the ref manual? the gray ones in the table are for revC boards right? i have C3 so i have grey ones?
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  • [18:31:00] <confused_> PTD PTU are for the input tied low or high?
  • [18:31:54] <confused_> adj: i think i have enough now :D thank you for all your help
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  • [18:34:06] <adj> yep, PTU and PTD are for input. The complete table for pin mux modes can be found at OMAP3 TRM (http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spruf98d/spruf98d.pdf) at page 833. I guess that the beagle SRM mode table is a subset of that
  • [18:34:52] <av500> confused_: err, you did not read the TRM up to page 833 yet? :-)
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  • [18:46:12] <confused_> adj: av500: i havent read it yet. i havnt started work on it yet. just been rushed to do things in house at mo. Your going to tell me that theres a catch arent you?? :s
  • [18:48:19] <av500> no catch
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  • [18:52:52] <confused_> av500: phew. ill get to it shortly :)
  • [18:53:05] <confused_> cheers guys :)
  • [18:53:10] <ds2> morning
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  • [19:20:00] <djlewis_> gm all.. :)
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  • [19:23:21] <av500> gm djlewis_
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  • [19:54:32] <Tw|sT> Good afternoon everyone. Is there anyone selling BeagleBoard based systems... just something that has the beagleboard pre-mounted in an enclosure?
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  • [19:59:52] <Crofton> Tw|sT, check specialcomputing.com
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  • [20:02:26] <djlewis_> that would be http://specialcomp.com/
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  • [20:06:36] <confused_> adj: av500: im going to try my new u-boot ...
  • [20:09:38] <av500> good luck
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  • [20:10:44] <djlewis_> twinkly little gpio lines all a flutter :)
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  • [20:11:43] <djlewis_> I'm still waiting for that nice one chip 1.8 to 5vDC bidirectional buffer IC.
  • [20:12:06] <Cooleo> Ive got a few questions about BeagleBoard, Can anyone help? :)
  • [20:13:13] <Cooleo> 1. Has anyone got the beagle board running off batterys instead of mains? Its what 5~ volt, So 4 AA batterys should do it?
  • [20:13:15] <koen> hmmm, someone reset the topic
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  • [20:14:41] <confused_> cooleo: wouldnt recomend using 4 AA batterys to make 5V. Probably better using a 6V battery and a 5V regulator
  • [20:15:00] <djlewis_> Cooleo: the topend on the BB DC in is 5.2vDC
  • [20:15:21] <Cooleo> Ah
  • [20:15:47] <Cooleo> and Im looking to buy one of these and attach a small LCD. Possibly 4/5inch. Anyone done anything similar?
  • [20:16:34] <ThomasEgi> isnt there a regulator on the beagle board itself?
  • [20:16:47] <ThomasEgi> or is that one for the 3,3v only?
  • [20:17:15] <djlewis_> no built on input regulator
  • [20:17:49] <djlewis_> there is a onboard system regulator that will not accept more than 5.2vDC input.
  • [20:18:01] <ThomasEgi> oh. then 6v is a bad idea :P
  • [20:18:37] <djlewis_> bad, Bad, BAD! idea.. but it might run longer than with 9vDC ;)
  • [20:19:10] <Cooleo> Im just thinking it might be worth while for a small portable PC
  • [20:19:16] <Cooleo> with the power to output HD
  • [20:20:07] <djlewis_> Cooleo: ome here have done LCD interfacing and batteries. They may not be on at present.
  • [20:20:12] <djlewis_> ome = some
  • [20:20:48] <Cooleo> Ah k
  • [20:21:03] * djlewis_ won't name names :P
  • [20:21:14] <Cooleo> Hmm, a PSP battery is 3.7 volt, so two of them with a regulator might make it last a while
  • [20:21:41] <confused_> ThomasEgi: regulate the high voltage down to 5V before it reaches the board
  • [20:22:26] <djlewis_> with a 6V battery a diode in series might do it.
  • [20:22:26] <prpplague> Cooleo: power wise, its best to use a battery source higher than 5v and use a buck switcher to drop down to regulated 5v
  • [20:22:32] <prpplague> Cooleo: two 18650's in series works very well
  • [20:22:56] <djlewis_> prpplague: hi, what is a 18650 other than a uart IC>
  • [20:23:17] <confused_> adj: av500: ...i have outputs :D *throws party*
  • [20:23:51] <prpplague> djlewis_: thats a specific battery size, kinda like saying "double A"
  • [20:24:00] <av500> confused_: now, wasnt that easy? :-)
  • [20:24:02] <djlewis_> oh that, i knew that :P
  • [20:24:06] <djlewis_> tnx
  • [20:24:18] <Cooleo> prpplague: http://www.qualityflashlights.co.uk/termekekmain.php?csoportid=77 Like that one?
  • [20:24:27] <av500> Cooleo: a PSP battery is not 3.7V
  • [20:24:35] * prpplague looks
  • [20:24:50] <Cooleo> av500: Mine is?
  • [20:24:50] * djlewis_ waits for the result.
  • [20:25:02] <confused_> av500: only taken me 5 weeks. got more information tonight then the past month! now i can start making my robot :)
  • [20:25:03] <av500> Cooleo: no, it is a LiIon battery, that goes from 3.5 to 4.2V
  • [20:25:04] <prpplague> Cooleo: yep, but i look to use battery packs with a pcb for protection as well
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  • [20:25:13] <prpplague> Cooleo: http://www.batteryspace.com/li-ion18650battery74v2600mah1924whbatterypackmodulewithpcbprotectionic.aspx
  • [20:25:31] <Cooleo> av500: Oh, Mine said 3.7v on it, so I believed it
  • [20:25:36] <Cooleo> Thanks for the info though :)
  • [20:25:41] <prpplague> Cooleo: don
  • [20:25:41] <djlewis_> confused_: cool, another robot in the making :)
  • [20:25:46] <Cooleo> prpplague: Intresting
  • [20:25:49] <av500> Cooleo: yes, that is the mean voltage between 3.2 and 4.2...
  • [20:25:54] <prpplague> Cooleo: don't forget you'll need a buck switcher to drop down to +5v
  • [20:26:13] <confused_> djlewis: mines gonna earn me a degree lol
  • [20:26:19] <av500> LiIon goes from 3.2=empty to 4.2=full
  • [20:26:22] <Cooleo> prpplague: How would I got about charging it?
  • [20:26:30] <Cooleo> *go
  • [20:26:46] <av500> it's not like NiCad or NiMh that stays around 1.2 for most of the time...
  • [20:26:54] <Cooleo> av500: Oh, Didn't know that.
  • [20:26:56] <prpplague> Cooleo: scroll down on the page, they have a matching charger
  • [20:26:58] <av500> Cooleo: dedicated LiIOn charher
  • [20:27:11] <prpplague> Cooleo: http://www.batteryspace.com/smartcharger12afor74vli-ionpolymerrechargeablebatterypack--ullisted.aspx
  • [20:27:31] <av500> basically a CV/CL
  • [20:27:46] <Cooleo> Ah, So its not beyond human realms to make the beagle board portable
  • [20:28:01] <av500> Cooleo: no, mine fits into my jacket pocket :)
  • [20:28:01] <prpplague> nope
  • [20:28:21] <Cooleo> Intresting. Pay day is in 3 weeks, I should look into this
  • [20:28:49] <Cooleo> Can anyone point me in the direction of a regulator?
  • [20:35:29] <prpplague> Cooleo: you'll want a nice switcher that can handle up to around 12v just for safety sake
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  • [20:35:47] <Cooleo> prpplague: Ah
  • [20:35:56] <prpplague> Cooleo: lm3485 is a pretty decent one
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  • [20:37:26] <Cooleo> Hmm, According to DigiKey UK its ?65.24.
  • [20:37:29] <Cooleo> That seems an awful lot
  • [20:37:36] <Cooleo> Nearly as much as the beagleboard itself
  • [20:38:12] <finseteb> prpplague: you are associated with zippy, correct?
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  • [20:39:06] <prpplague> finseteb: yep
  • [20:39:21] <prpplague> Cooleo: i think you are looking at an eval kit
  • [20:39:47] <Cooleo> prpplague: Oh, I'm not used to building hardware :) I'm more of the programming side
  • [20:40:26] <prpplague> Cooleo: converting the beagle to a portable system is a hardware item, unless you are comfortable with a soldering iron, don't bother
  • [20:40:42] <finseteb> prpplague: are you familiar with the software side - the zippy kernel patches?
  • [20:40:55] <prpplague> finseteb: yep
  • [20:41:22] <Cooleo> prpplague: I'm comfortable with a soldering iron :P I built myself a small cockpit for X-Plane/FSX
  • [20:42:13] <finseteb> i'm trying to get zippy support into the omap3droid kernel. I've modified board-omap3beagle.c and omap3_beagle_android_defconfig based on your zippy and puppy openembedded patches
  • [20:42:35] <finseteb> but so far, i'm not seeing the mmcblk1 enumerate
  • [20:43:12] <prpplague> can you pastebin your board-omap3beagle.c and config files?
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  • [20:43:54] <finseteb> hrm, i'm not sure how to do that with irrsi.
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  • [20:44:15] <prpplague> finseteb: http://www.pastebin.ca
  • [20:44:34] <finseteb> okay, one sec
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  • [20:46:23] <finseteb> okay: board-omap3beagle.c is http://www.pastebin.ca/1653692
  • [20:47:10] <finseteb> defconfig is http://www.pastebin.ca/1653693
  • [20:48:09] <finseteb> i'm not concerned with the RTC right now, so i did not turn it on in the defconfig
  • [20:48:34] <prpplague> one sec, let me look it over
  • [20:48:46] <finseteb> thanks, i appreciate it
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  • [20:52:27] <Crofton|work> _roger_, gm
  • [20:52:29] <koen> florian: could you poke apache2 on discovery?
  • [20:53:01] <prpplague> finseteb: can you pastebin your bootlog?
  • [20:53:05] <_roger_> hey Crofton|work!
  • [20:53:06] <Crofton|work> florian, you need to make an irc script koen can message when somrething needs poking
  • [20:53:28] * koen is too lazy to email
  • [20:53:45] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [20:53:48] <florian> done :)
  • [20:54:11] <koen> thanks
  • [20:54:11] <av500> email is only for old people...
  • [20:54:17] <Crofton|work> ok, verilog task done, now to make reserations
  • [20:54:37] <finseteb> prpplague: of course, it will be one minute while a do a fresh boot
  • [20:54:52] <prpplague> finseteb: i'm not seeing anything jump out at me as an issue, you tested your board first with the demo images?
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  • [20:57:35] <finseteb> prpplague: no, i can do that in a few minutes
  • [20:58:26] <finseteb> here is the boot: http://www.pastebin.ca/1653723
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  • [20:59:12] <likewise> gm
  • [21:01:29] <prpplague> finseteb: you have a problem with the regulator stuff,
  • [21:01:34] <Crofton|work> _roger_, I will be in England Wednesday AM
  • [21:01:51] <finseteb> okay
  • [21:02:16] <finseteb> if you can point me at a patch somewhere, i'll fix it
  • [21:03:05] <prpplague> finseteb: there are a number of discussions on the issue but you can start here - http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/14400/
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  • [21:03:52] <finseteb> prpplague: thanks
  • [21:07:37] <finseteb> prpplague: that patch is for evm board and the changes exist in my board-omap3beagle.c already
  • [21:07:52] <finseteb> i'll look for other regulator issues
  • [21:08:04] <finseteb> but if you have another place to start that would be appreciated :-)
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  • [21:11:09] <prpplague> finseteb: you still have a problem with your regulators, probably have a typo or mismatched label
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  • [22:10:17] <white_sheep> hi
  • [22:10:29] <white_sheep> can i make a question?
  • [22:11:54] <djlewis_> the great genie grants you a question ;)
  • [22:12:38] <djlewis_> but i'm not the great genie :(
  • [22:13:11] <white_sheep> i want buy a beagleboard but there isn't a ethernet port.
  • [22:14:02] <white_sheep> witch component can i buy to add this port?
  • [22:14:17] <white_sheep> ( sorry for my BAD english.. )
  • [22:14:53] <dekroning> sjees, ordering a beagle board from out side of the US you need to fill in a form, which basically asks if i'm a terrorist, pfff freaking american's
  • [22:17:28] <djlewis_> white_sheep: lok for the zippy addon
  • [22:17:34] <djlewis_> look
  • [22:17:43] <white_sheep> there is a italian shop
  • [22:18:20] <white_sheep> djlewis_, zippy addon are a 10 Mb ethernet :(
  • [22:18:40] <djlewis_> white_sheep: ether a usb to ethernet or wifi or tincantools.com
  • [22:20:22] <white_sheep> djlewis_, i see this : http://beagleboard.org/project/Micrel_Ethernet/
  • [22:20:27] <prpplague> white_sheep: even with a usb->ethernet dongle you are not going to get very high transfer rates
  • [22:20:43] <white_sheep> prpplague, i know
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  • [22:21:06] <prpplague> white_sheep: the 10Mb on the zippy is pretty darn good for what most applications need it for
  • [22:21:33] <prpplague> white_sheep: zippy gets about 7.5Mb/s xfers, and the zippy2 gets about 13.5Mb/s
  • [22:22:02] <prpplague> white_sheep: the best i've gotten out of a usb->eth is about 18Mb/s
  • [22:22:52] <white_sheep> prpplague, i saw, on project page, this http://beagleboard.org/project/Micrel_Ethernet/, but i did not undestand
  • [22:23:30] <white_sheep> there is a aggiuntive module, like zippy, or a chip?
  • [22:23:57] <prpplague> white_sheep: i am sorry i did not understand your statement
  • [22:24:27] <white_sheep> XD i'm sorry.. but i'm italian and my english is so bad
  • [22:25:06] <white_sheep> i want add, on my bb, an ethernet port.
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  • [22:25:24] <white_sheep> only one
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  • [22:25:46] <dase> hi all
  • [22:25:50] <prpplague> white_sheep: there are only two choices enc28j60 (zippy) or the micrel ks8851 (zippy2)
  • [22:26:04] <dase> looking for some info on usb cameras are supported on the beagleboard
  • [22:27:33] <white_sheep> prpplague, micrel ks8851 is a 10/100 Mbit?
  • [22:30:52] <djlewis_> dase: there are quite a few both UVC and standard.
  • [22:31:08] <prpplague> white_sheep: it is 10/100Mbit interface, but the xfer rate is only 13.5Mb/s
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  • [22:31:22] <white_sheep> shit
  • [22:31:41] <prpplague> white_sheep: what is it you need 100Mb for ?
  • [22:31:43] <white_sheep> ok.. i will use usb :D
  • [22:31:46] <dase> k, I assume the compression of images off the camera is still done on the CPU?
  • [22:31:51] <Cooleo> Is 0xdroid really this easy to install?
  • [22:31:51] <Cooleo> or dummies:
  • [22:31:51] <Cooleo> - Format the first partition over than 100MB with VFAT on a SD card.
  • [22:31:51] <Cooleo> - Download the installer uImage.bin into SD card
  • [22:31:51] <Cooleo> - Download the 0xkernel-beagle.bin
  • [22:31:51] <Cooleo> - Download the android-beagle.ubi
  • [22:31:51] <djlewis_> white_sheep: one is hard pressed to get more than about 30mbit from a 100BT connection.
  • [22:31:53] <Cooleo> - Copy the installer uImage.bin image into the first partition of SD/MMC card
  • [22:31:55] <Cooleo> - Copy two files 0xkernel-beagle.bin and android-beagle.ubi into the first partition of SD/MMC card
  • [22:31:57] <Cooleo> - Plug the SD card in beagleboard SD slot and restart the beagleboard
  • [22:31:59] <Cooleo> - Wait for UI installer over. The installer would perform NAND flashing and u-boot environment setup.
  • [22:32:01] <Cooleo> - Unplug SD card from the Beagleboard and reboot
  • [22:32:03] <Cooleo> - Enjoy!
  • [22:32:05] <prpplague> white_sheep: usb is only marginally better
  • [22:32:14] <prpplague> Cooleo: bad bad bad bad
  • [22:32:20] <prpplague> bad Cooleo
  • [22:32:21] <Cooleo> prpplague: Why so?
  • [22:32:23] <Cooleo> D:
  • [22:32:29] <Cooleo> Android would be nice
  • [22:32:34] <djlewis_> white_sheep: and thats on a fast PC.
  • [22:32:35] <white_sheep> prpplague, i want use bb for a little home webserver
  • [22:32:59] <prpplague> Cooleo: please do not paste more than a few lines , this causes problems with other peoples irc clients and is considered rude
  • [22:33:10] <Cooleo> prpplague: Oh whoops
  • [22:33:22] <Cooleo> D:
  • [22:33:24] <prpplague> white_sheep: 10BaseT is more than enough for most webserver apps
  • [22:33:25] <Cooleo> Sorry guys
  • [22:33:31] <Cooleo> But is it that easy?
  • [22:33:34] <djlewis_> dase: I use a logitech quickcam chat that has a jpeg out and I can see 640x480 at 18% cpu with gstreamer
  • [22:33:42] <prpplague> Cooleo: if you need to paste something larger use something like http://www.pastebin.ca
  • [22:33:52] <Cooleo> I forgot about that
  • [22:34:05] <djlewis_> Cooleo: he was lost in the moment :P
  • [22:34:08] <dase> wow, not bad at all
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  • [22:34:28] <Cooleo> djlewis_: Lol
  • [22:34:30] <djlewis_> dase: It might be different with RGB or RAW cam output. I dunno.
  • [22:34:31] <dase> I was looking into that Leopard board that appeared to do compression itself
  • [22:34:34] <Cooleo> It seems to be that easy :o
  • [22:34:40] <dase> but, 18% isn't that bad
  • [22:35:13] <djlewis_> dase: I look at that often too.
  • [22:35:35] <djlewis_> dase: ffmpeg does the same at 38% and mplayer at 74%
  • [22:36:02] <djlewis_> dase: but when you go converting the image format, cpu cycles soar.
  • [22:36:16] <dase> Yeah, that makes sense
  • [22:37:00] <white_sheep> prpplague, you advise me to take a zippy or a usb?
  • [22:37:25] <dase> of course, the arm has some good instructions for swizzling those formats
  • [22:37:45] <dase> I wouldn't rely on a compiler for that anyway
  • [22:38:02] <prpplague> white_sheep: HA, i will always advise to purchase a zippy, but i am biased
  • [22:38:48] <white_sheep> XD
  • [22:39:13] <white_sheep> ok.. i will buy a usb->eth :D
  • [22:39:20] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [22:39:46] <djlewis_> dase: there is talk of rewriting those things in NEON and DSP but I am green to that.
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  • [22:40:46] <dase> This is great, I purchased a chumby, hoping to do some robotics work with it. It ended up being a horrible platform to work with
  • [22:40:54] <dase> This board is leagues apart
  • [22:42:41] <djlewis_> I was shopping between the Surveyor platform or BeagleBoard.
  • [22:43:06] <Cooleo> Does anywhere sell the beagleboard which accepts Paypal?
  • [22:43:16] <djlewis_> I would still like to try a Leopard board.
  • [22:43:45] <dase> What's the Surveyor plaform, do you have a link?
  • [22:43:49] <djlewis_> Cooleo: DigiKey nd Mouser are it, I think.
  • [22:43:52] <dase> platform*
  • [22:44:32] <djlewis_> the surveyor stereo vision
  • [22:44:41] <Cooleo> djlewis_: Digikey dont accept paypal :/
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  • [22:44:57] <dase> ah
  • [22:45:10] <djlewis_> http://surveyor.com/
  • [22:45:40] <djlewis_> dase: its base cpu is the Blackfin
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  • [22:47:22] <dase> cool, not cheap though :-)
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  • [22:50:20] <Cooleo> djlewis_: Mouser dont accept paypal either
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  • [22:51:47] <djlewis_> bummer on no paypal..
  • [22:52:00] <Cooleo> Yeah
  • [22:52:04] <Cooleo> Means I cant get one :/
  • [22:52:09] <Cooleo> My cards hardly accepted anywhere
  • [22:52:12] * Cooleo rages
  • [22:55:46] * djlewis_ needs to load up his paypal account for purchased :P
  • [22:55:56] <djlewis_> puyrchases...
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  • [22:56:12] <djlewis_> aw you know what I mean... :)
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  • [22:57:39] <djlewis_> Cooleo: most vendors will accept a simple debit card it it has visa ot MC on it.
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  • [22:59:45] <Cooleo> djlewis_: I dont have Visa or MC
  • [23:00:01] <Cooleo> I have Maestro
  • [23:00:06] <Cooleo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maestro_(debit_card)
  • [23:00:24] <mru> that might not work too well online
  • [23:00:29] <mru> it might, but it might not
  • [23:01:02] <Cooleo> It doesnt
  • [23:01:05] <Cooleo> hence why I use paypal :)
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  • [23:03:52] <mru> why don't you get a proper credit card?
  • [23:04:42] <Cooleo> mru: I don't like credit, I use debit
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  • [23:05:23] <mru> credit cards are better
  • [23:05:34] <mru> better fraud protection
  • [23:05:37] <bkero> Yea
  • [23:05:52] <mru> if someone steals your debit card number, they can empty your bank account, and there's nothing you can do
  • [23:06:29] <bkero> There are protections against that. But there aren't protections against reversing charges.
  • [23:06:29] <mru> as long as you never spend more than you have in cash, the credit itself is no issue
  • [23:06:49] <mru> you can report the card stolen, sure
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  • [23:06:58] <mru> but by then the damage may already be done
  • [23:07:12] <djlewis_> that might not help get the money back..
  • [23:07:15] <mru> and you have no protection agains some shady online shop deciding to not send you the stuff
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  • [23:11:35] <Mike> Stupid updates
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  • [23:13:00] <jkridner|work> good morning all.
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  • [23:13:09] <djlewis_> gm jkridner|work
  • [23:13:13] <jkridner|work> anyone see the article in Engadget HD today?
  • [23:13:31] <SoulBlade> about xbmc?
  • [23:14:09] <jkridner|work> yeah.
  • [23:14:18] <SoulBlade> yea - looks cool
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  • [23:14:54] * jkridner|work enjoys seeing projects get that degree of attention
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  • [23:17:20] <Cooleo> Hmm no beagle boards on ebay either
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  • [23:20:51] * mru enjoys seeing ffmpeg-based projects getting attention ;-)
  • [23:22:08] <yogi> Cooleo: thanks for the dummies guide; do you have a link for the android on beagle
  • [23:22:32] <mru> what is it with the android hype?
  • [23:22:34] <mru> it really isn't that much fun
  • [23:22:46] <Cooleo> yogi: Sure
  • [23:22:47] <mru> it's like a cross between iphone and maemo
  • [23:22:57] <Cooleo> yogi: http://gitorious.org/0xdroid/pages/Install-Prebuilt-Images
  • [23:23:11] <Cooleo> mru: And open source with commercial support/updates
  • [23:23:21] <yogi> Cooleo: thanks!
  • [23:23:28] <mru> open source with commercial lockdown
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  • [23:23:59] <yogi> mru: my employer might pay me to make some android pastries
  • [23:24:11] <katier> yogi: an alternative is http://rowboat.googlecode.com if you're interested
  • [23:24:30] <mru> I have an android device, and I'll probably end up writing code for it
  • [23:24:39] <mru> commercial, closed-source code
  • [23:24:43] <yogi> katier: thanks! I wasn't aware of that
  • [23:26:33] <Cooleo> Anyone got a spare begal they want to sell via paypal? :D
  • [23:26:49] <yogi> does either of 0xlabs or rowboat support the latest Android 2.0?
  • [23:27:13] <katier> yogi - no, eclair source isn't quite available yet... rowboat will soon though
  • [23:27:50] <Cooleo> Oh look
  • [23:27:51] <Cooleo> http://www.dlinnovations.com/products/pico.html
  • [23:27:54] <Cooleo> This place accepts paypal
  • [23:28:36] <Cooleo> $200 inc SHipping
  • [23:28:40] <Cooleo> Thats rediciolous
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  • [23:34:54] <neverwas> Is there any reason to not use a 4gb sd card too try to boot Angstrom to a Rev C beagle board?
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  • [23:37:32] <djlewis_> I use them everyday. all I have. SDHC class 6
  • [23:38:24] <neverwas> alright well I can't get it to work after three tries just wondering if it's something weird about the card or I am missing a step somewhere
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  • [23:39:06] <djlewis_> might be either of the above ;)
  • [23:40:15] <djlewis_> neverwas: did you follow the beginners guide with a linux computer?
  • [23:41:31] <neverwas> I followed this
  • [23:41:34] <neverwas> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
  • [23:41:46] <neverwas> and I am using slackware as the host pc
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  • [23:42:15] <neverwas> I am switching to a 2gb card that I have and hopefully it will work
  • [23:42:55] <neverwas> I guess my camera can has the bigger card :-/
  • [23:43:03] <djlewis_> the card and reader must be compatible. I cant setup my SDHC cards with my laptop reader though it does not complain.
  • [23:43:21] <djlewis_> If I use the matching Trendnet reader they are fine.
  • [23:44:09] <neverwas> weird well the 4gb is a newer card and I believe it's sdhc, the 2gb is older and it isn't sdhc both of my computers read them fine
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  • [23:45:08] <djlewis_> yep, mine did too. Write fine until I try to boot.
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  • [23:46:10] <neverwas> Hm, so should I even try the none sdhc?
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  • [23:48:24] <djlewis_> I believe they are compatible. looking at the BBSRM
  • [23:49:10] <neverwas> does 250 cylinders for a 2gb card sound unreasonable?
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  • [23:50:58] <djlewis_> fdisk should tell you what it has.
  • [23:51:10] <djlewis_> half of the 4GB
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  • [23:53:42] <djlewis_> time for me to load up, head home... I'll bbl....
  • [23:53:56] <neverwas> thanks for your help
  • [23:54:22] <djlewis_> neverwas: seems to me the demo tutorial was done on a 2GB card.
  • [23:54:24] <djlewis_> later,
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