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[00:10:09] * torus now grants oe a very last chance...
[00:10:28] <torus> what a horrible system..
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[00:20:04] <prpplague> torus OE grows on you like a fungus
[00:22:37] <torus> prpplague yea...
[00:23:26] <torus> prpplague I don't like it.. it takes ages and for some reason I seem to be to dumb to create an image with it that contains what I want.. receips don't match up with packages ect...
[00:23:50] <torus> last image i made was quite ok but usb was broken...
[00:24:38] <torus> and all I want is a bare console-image, working dsplink kernel module and matching gpp libraries..
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[00:40:11] <likewise> torus: there's always the do-it-yourself approach
[00:40:35] <likewise> torus: ... which reminds me OE isn't that bad :-)
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[00:41:24] <Crofton|work> doh
[00:41:32] <Crofton|work> cat must have walked across kg
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[01:45:25] <Quan-Time> anyone with a linux install on a beagle, wanna try out a piece of software for me ? before i commit to a purchase ? http://megatunix.sourceforge.net/ - the dev runs ubuntu, but im not sure it will actually work native. any insight would be appreciated. it will require GTK, which is the part i think will screw it up...
[01:45:37] <Quan-Time> anyone who is willing to test it briefly would be my hero and wins 1 internets
[01:46:04] <Quan-Time> long as the thing "loads" and spits an error about "megasquirt not detected, load ECU rom backup ?" means at least it loads..
[01:46:22] <djlewis1> Quan-Time: I been trying to reach you about your monitor
[01:46:44] <Quan-Time> oh cheers..
[01:46:46] <Quan-Time> been busy :)
[01:46:51] <Quan-Time> yup, what about it ?
[01:47:04] <djlewis1> you said you have a vga touchscreen?
[01:47:09] <Quan-Time> correct
[01:47:27] <djlewis1> you can get a beagleboard vga adapter from beagletoys
[01:48:04] <Quan-Time> ohhhh.. linky ?
[01:48:08] <Quan-Time> or am i gonna search my way to it
[01:48:33] <Quan-Time> http://cgi.ebay.com/7-VGA-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen-Monitor-for-Car-PC-GPS-A7_W0QQitemZ220500488313QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3356da7079
[01:48:38] <djlewis1> http://www.beagleboardtoys.com/
[01:48:39] <Quan-Time> thats what it looks like
[01:48:48] <Quan-Time> it does have a svideo
[01:48:55] <djlewis1> svideo sucks
[01:49:19] <djlewis1> svideo would be like a 320x200 vga
[01:49:42] <Quan-Time> yup, its why i specifically dont use it
[01:49:50] <Quan-Time> ive been told it also screws your touch setup
[01:49:57] <Quan-Time> like, its wildly inaccurate
[01:49:59] <djlewis1> well, thats the only option I know of.
[01:50:02] <Quan-Time> never honestly tried it
[01:50:17] <djlewis1> the vga adapter
[01:50:28] <Quan-Time> ive seen some HDMI -> vga converters.. most have a huge ass brick in the middle of it
[01:50:41] <djlewis1> not for $29.95
[01:50:52] <Quan-Time> i got a bunch of DVI->VGA connectors here, and a bunch of different dvi / vga cable combos.. i can only try it and se ewhat happens
[01:51:14] <djlewis1> not wise to hook analog cable to digital inputs
[01:51:15] <Quan-Time> but the $30 vga addon, you cant knock it.. seems perfect for what i awnt
[01:51:27] <djlewis1> I cant tell what it interfaces to.
[01:51:32] <djlewis1> as in connector
[01:53:22] <Quan-Time> yer same.. i can only experiment..
[01:53:39] <djlewis1> you could contact them and get the beagle-poop
[01:53:54] <Quan-Time> but im more curious about the "can beagle run megatunix"
[01:54:02] <Quan-Time> no point doing this if i cant do whati want..
[01:54:11] <Quan-Time> not fussed about the touch screen, thats more or less "wank factor"
[01:54:13] <Quan-Time> with teh gps.
[01:54:21] <djlewis1> Oh, you havent ordered a BB yet?
[01:54:31] <Quan-Time> nope
[01:54:41] <djlewis1> oh well.
[01:54:46] <djlewis1> nuff said.
[01:55:06] <Quan-Time> i WANT to.. but if i order one, and turns out i cant even run tunix on it, its a total wasted exercise..
[01:55:37] <djlewis1> I understand
[01:56:01] <Quan-Time> the current nanoITX motherboard does the job, but its inherently bulky when its on a motorbike
[01:56:25] <Quan-Time> even tho its 6" X 6". its tiny for a PC,, but its WAY overkill in terms of "power available" to process stuff..
[01:56:31] <djlewis1> in my case, that damn BB looked to cool to pass by. I knew I could make it do something useful, if not my primary objective.
[01:56:40] <raster> MUHAHAHAHAHHAHA
[01:56:48] <Quan-Time> some ppl have used palm pilots to monitor a megasquirt
[01:56:59] <Quan-Time> so its fairly low on the cycle time requirement
[01:57:07] <djlewis1> get the pico ITX and no cooling
[01:58:26] <Quan-Time> yer, ive thought about that too
[01:58:29] <Quan-Time> might be an option
[02:00:15] <Quan-Time> still gotta have a PSU on it, which i have, but a beagle would def be much cleaner / nicer.
[02:01:10] <raster> Quan-Time: just use a tablet
[02:01:17] <raster> somethnig like the smartq5
[02:01:34] <raster> comes with screen, battery, a less powerful soc than the bb tho
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[02:01:36] <raster> and its $140
[02:01:54] <raster> has wifi and bt
[02:01:59] <raster> 800x480 lcd
[02:02:03] <raster> thats damned cheap
[02:02:07] <raster> runs ubuntu our of the box
[02:02:12] <raster> mer have images for it too
[02:02:13] <Quan-Time> wow. actually, thats freakin perfect actually
[02:02:17] <Quan-Time> and the size is basically spot on
[02:02:21] <raster> yup
[02:02:25] <raster> has everything u want
[02:02:34] <raster> u'll have to deal with porting/compilign anything u want for it
[02:02:40] <Quan-Time> and can easily make a holder for it to make it "removable" so i can take it with me
[02:02:49] <raster> it has an sd card slot so u can stack in a massive sd card if u need space
[02:02:56] <raster> check it out
[02:03:04] <raster> last i checked u can get it for $140us
[02:03:07] <raster> thats the whole thing
[02:03:17] <raster> including power supply
[02:03:39] <raster> (battery, screen, touchscreen, etc.)
[02:03:44] <raster> u'll find its a s3c6410 in there
[02:03:53] <Quan-Time> holy crap, thats freakin perfect actually
[02:03:56] <raster> its armv6y - so (arm11) previous gen of arms to the omap3
[02:03:59] <raster> so not as beefy
[02:04:16] <Quan-Time> a 500mhz eeePC runs what i need, in winxp,, ive tried it
[02:04:24] <Quan-Time> so as i said, the requirements are REALLY low
[02:04:30] <Quan-Time> long as i have a screen...
[02:04:36] <raster> it will clokc in at 532 mhz by default - but you can actually clock it up to 800mhz - if i fiddle with the kernel etc.
[02:05:01] <Quan-Time> pfft, no care..
[02:05:07] <Quan-Time> cheers heaps for that,, ill look into it
[02:05:13] <raster> np
[02:05:16] <Quan-Time> but i still think the beagle is awesome for what it is..
[02:05:32] <Quan-Time> ive held off on arduino for ages, mate has one, i borrow it heaps..
[02:05:36] <raster> considering the price - its probably one of the best toys for anyone to get if u want a portable "embeddeD" system with a screen and battery already there
[02:05:40] <raster> its not stylish or pretty
[02:05:43] <Quan-Time> but i think the beagle + ard would be awesome for the rest of my project
[02:05:47] <Quan-Time> to control things properly
[02:05:49] <raster> not sure u even get a warranty worht talking about
[02:05:52] <raster> but its cheap. and open.
[02:05:58] <Quan-Time> pfft, warrenty ? sif not void that instantly
[02:06:05] <raster> the beagle is far more powerful
[02:06:09] <Quan-Time> 1st thing i do is void warr's :)
[02:06:12] <raster> 2-3x more cpu grunt alone
[02:06:12] <Quan-Time> yer, beagle seems cool..
[02:06:33] <Quan-Time> if i can find a willing person with ubuntu on a beagle, to install megatunix and see if it loads, then im golden..
[02:06:37] <raster> smartq5 is a deifferne device
[02:06:45] <raster> i just got it for hacking fun
[02:06:57] <Quan-Time> yer, would be cool.. can use it as a PDA too
[02:07:01] <Quan-Time> which is nice acutally
[02:07:01] <raster> yup
[02:07:05] <raster> so its not money wasted anyway
[02:07:08] <Quan-Time> anyway,, food is calling
[02:07:12] <raster> cool
[02:07:19] <Quan-Time> bah,, you can never waste money on cool gadgets ;)
[02:07:24] <raster> hehehee
[02:07:30] <Quan-Time> i got 3x revomaze cos its "cool".. not money wasted ;)
[02:07:32] <raster> well after u have 10+ of them floating on your desk
[02:07:40] <raster> u beign to realise just how much money in gadgets is sitting there
[02:07:49] <raster> and u only really fiddle with 1 or 2 at a time
[02:08:50] <Quan-Time> heh true..
[02:08:58] <Quan-Time> umm,, smartq5 has english firmware now ?
[02:09:09] <Quan-Time> review i just read said it was not official ?!
[02:09:18] <raster> well i didnt need chinese to figture it out
[02:09:21] <raster> its got english - yes
[02:09:28] <raster> wel the one i did had it
[02:09:37] <raster> even so - i instanrtly put qi on an sd card
[02:09:51] <raster> and stuck a mer testing image on it (mer is a tabletised version of ubuntu)
[02:10:05] <raster> i just boot off the sd card
[02:10:15] <raster> as iots easy to swap in and out and re-image from a pc if i cant get onto wifi
[02:10:39] <Quan-Time> and it can run USB devices providing you have a OTG cable for it ?
[02:10:50] <raster> i havent tried
[02:10:52] <raster> that i dont know
[02:11:24] <raster> http://www.akigor.com/413
[02:11:26] <raster> apparently so
[02:12:07] <Quan-Time> awesome.. seems like its the thing for me
[02:12:35] <raster> imho the bb gus shoudl do a bb like this
[02:12:42] <raster> a bare-bones simple device
[02:12:51] <raster> with screen, wifi and battery
[02:12:57] <raster> otherwise nothing fance
[02:12:59] <raster> fancy
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[02:30:48] <Quan-Time> raster: from a mate
[02:30:49] <Quan-Time> <johntramp> i tried passing gcc --target=cortex-a8 when compiling mtx and it seemed to cross-compile okay
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[02:31:05] <Quan-Time> mtx = megatunix.. so it should work on a ARM processor
[02:31:20] <raster> unless its written badly - it shoudl work
[02:31:25] <Quan-Time> the smartq5 seems the thing tho.. already has a touch in it, and you know the drivers work
[02:31:26] <raster> u can also compile ont he device if u wantot
[02:31:30] <raster> u dont have to cross-compile
[02:31:49] <Quan-Time> djandruczyk is a good coder, he is fairly fussy actually.. (creator of mtx)
[02:32:00] <Quan-Time> oh sweet.. that should work awesome then
[02:32:20] <raster> sure
[02:33:24] <raster> i compiled several things on the smartq
[02:33:29] <raster> a few "bewares"
[02:33:44] <raster> 1. u can run ot of ram in compiling. this is bad. mostly the gui that mer ships gobbles up ram
[02:33:58] <raster> kill it and.or install something leaner (i compiled and put e17 on)
[02:34:04] <raster> 2. it will be SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[02:34:08] <raster> (compiling)
[02:34:25] <raster> what takes 5 mins on a desktop takes many hours on the device
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[02:45:14] <Quan-Time> whats the leanest OS to install ? and obviously openbox would be the leanest GUI ?
[02:47:08] <raster> depends what you want
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[10:01:38] <Quan-Time> raster: you still around ?
[10:02:24] <Quan-Time> the smartq5 is basically a gimped ARM processor compraed to the beagle.. correct ? and you can install *nix to a beagle.. so technically, i should be able to do what i want, on a beagle, with a VGA adapter thinggie..
[10:02:31] <Quan-Time> providing i can get the USB touch screen working
[10:10:08] <Quan-Time> ive been thinking of something like GPSDrive or NavIT, providing i can get my USB GPS to connect, failing that, get a compatible one.. No biggie.
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[10:20:50] <raster> Quan-Time: yes. here
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[10:20:59] <Quan-Time> read up
[10:21:05] <raster> reading
[10:21:39] <raster> as for smartq - it's an arm too - just slower
[10:21:44] <raster> the beagle is about 2-3x as fast
[10:21:51] <raster> and otherwis e just different
[10:22:02] <raster> the beag;e has a sgx 3d and dsp
[10:22:11] <raster> the smartq is a s3c6410 instead of an omap3530 in the bb
[10:22:46] <raster> it has no dsp, but it has a hardware h263/4 unt, a samsung 3d unit (different to sgx) jpeg decode hardware etc.
[10:23:01] <raster> it has an open documented 2d acceleration unit, unlike the bb
[10:24:05] <raster> the smartq5 is pretty fast as-is
[10:24:12] <raster> the bb is just faster
[10:24:54] <raster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pncV4dKOZt0
[10:25:02] <raster> for example - thats a software 3d engine i wrote years ago
[10:25:12] <raster> not using 3d hw
[10:25:13] <rsv> In dss2: i try to add new lcd driver, i get omapfb omapfb: no displays, i enabled debug option, i dont see any print, i want to print what devices are registered
[10:25:16] <raster> 800x480 screen
[10:25:18] <rsv> any idea on this
[10:25:29] <raster> so thats not bad considering the cpu is pumping all the data around
[10:25:36] <raster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZCl7OaiQk
[10:25:45] <raster> is a toolkit for finger-driven ui
[10:26:00] <raster> u can see it runing too - just an idea of how fast it is.
[10:28:26] <Quan-Time> yer, i guess its not too shabby
[10:28:41] <Quan-Time> id be more inclined to the BB, as its a great device, and has WAY more options for later on
[10:28:53] <Quan-Time> plus, the 4.3" is a touch tiny for my purposes..
[10:29:13] <Quan-Time> id LOVE a 5.4" or there abouts, but yer.. 7" is good, bit tight if anything..
[10:29:20] <Quan-Time> not much room left.. but still.. does the job nicely
[10:29:36] <Quan-Time> so yer,, bb + vga adapt.. i think its prolly the solution for me.
[10:29:49] <Quan-Time> tough decision.. but yer,, long run, prolly better
[10:32:10] <Quan-Time> saying all this,, the smartq5 would be inherently "ready to go" basically.. just compile a bit of stuff on it, and should be workin fairly fast
[10:32:16] <Quan-Time> bb has a bit of dev time behind it..
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[10:35:46] <raster> Quan-Time: the bb is indeed a gerat device. the problem is - its a large raw board
[10:36:11] <raster> no extra io (screen, ts panel, speakers, wifi, bt, etc.)
[10:36:19] <Quan-Time> yer.. Its basically "do i want a 7" or a 4.3" screen as a dash for my motorbike"
[10:36:20] <raster> and no power (ie battery)
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[10:36:46] <Quan-Time> 4.3" is enough for a tacho (rpm) and thats about it.. but still ok for a GPS via the touch function
[10:36:58] <raster> so you get a much faster SoC, but less "extra components" for about the same $
[10:37:15] <raster> nb
[10:37:18] <raster> thheres a smartq7
[10:37:19] <Quan-Time> yer.. thats the $ VS production
[10:37:22] <raster> 7" screen
[10:37:23] <Quan-Time> yer, thats too big
[10:37:24] <raster> otherwise same specs as the q5
[10:37:26] <Quan-Time> i have a 7" now
[10:37:50] <Quan-Time> ill have a think about it over the next few days..
[10:37:54] <raster> i dont really see much bigger thsn 4.3" until it gets too 7, 9 etc. normally
[10:38:06] <Quan-Time> but i LOVE the option of being able to take out a smartq5 and carry it with me..
[10:38:24] <raster> for me - a ready to go device is damned useful
[10:38:30] <Quan-Time> the bb option would mean i leave the 7" dash in the bike.. no biggie.. but you never know what retards would scratch it / damage it
[10:38:34] <raster> means i can focus right on the important bits - software
[10:38:37] <raster> ie what i write/do
[10:38:46] <Quan-Time> see, im a hardawre dude..
[10:38:54] <raster> i'd love it if the bb team did a simply ready to go device like this too
[10:38:54] <Quan-Time> its why the build would interest me :)
[10:39:02] <raster> that was also cheap, basic, yet open and flexible
[10:39:04] <raster> but there isn't
[10:39:25] <raster> all the omap3 stuff that is ready to go is expensive finished products
[10:39:25] <Quan-Time> could make your own ;)
[10:39:34] <raster> unlikely
[10:39:39] <Quan-Time> true.dat :)
[10:39:41] <raster> unless u can make your own circuit boards
[10:39:50] <raster> and also do your own case production
[10:39:52] <raster> etc. etc.
[10:40:00] <Quan-Time> and do SMD.. and the "oven trick" seriously sucks ass
[10:40:08] <raster> doign a 1 off yourself will cost more than the "ready to go products"
[10:40:10] <raster> much more
[10:40:13] <Quan-Time> it works, but its inherently touchy
[10:40:35] <Quan-Time> corse.. thats the point of production.. to reduce costs.. the biggest cost in production is actually setting up the systems
[10:40:43] <raster> aaah if u are a hw dude. things are different
[10:40:44] <Quan-Time> once everything is READY to make parts, they are spastically cheap
[10:40:46] <raster> me - i'm a sw dude
[10:41:11] <Quan-Time> yer, its why i like to tinker.. and why i LOVE the smartq5, its not.. not as fun
[10:41:16] <raster> so as long as it works well, i'm happy. i'm happy to point at "get me hw that is x, y, and z" and be specific, but i'm used to compromising
[10:41:43] <raster> up to you
[10:42:00] <Quan-Time> yer.. even if the smartq5 fails, i have a awesome device to look geeky with
[10:42:10] <Quan-Time> and then get to play with the BB
[10:42:14] <Quan-Time> so its almost win-win..
[10:42:18] <Quan-Time> almost.. except the pocket
[10:42:21] <raster> yeah
[10:42:30] <raster> its up to u
[10:42:40] <Quan-Time> id have huge fun making t...
[10:42:43] <raster> i wish they had a read-to-go that wasnt the price and size of the zoom2
[10:42:49] <raster> ie a smartq level thing
[10:42:55] <raster> but alas... no such luck
[10:43:00] <Quan-Time> OMG.. smartq5.. i could make a holder for the bike, AND have one in my car.. jsut get another GPS dongle..
[10:43:09] <Quan-Time> so i can have a in-car GPS there too.. and media player
[10:43:18] <Quan-Time> yer,, the smartq5 seems more and more appealing
[10:45:12] <raster> i like the ready-made thing myself
[10:45:29] <raster> if it had an omap3530 in it.... it''d be almost the best thing u could want to get
[10:45:33] <Quan-Time> ive been thinkin of doing a in-car GPS / media system
[10:45:45] <raster> only 1 soc i have found beats the omap 3530 in performance
[10:45:46] <Quan-Time> rip out my current huge ass stereo.. its a double DIN thing
[10:45:53] <Quan-Time> so a LCD would fit in there nicely
[10:45:57] <raster> i like performance :)
[10:46:09] <Quan-Time> all software guys like performance..
[10:46:09] <raster> yeah
[10:46:16] <raster> it'd make for a useful device or such a thing
[10:46:17] <Quan-Time> its why i make hardware fairly overkill if i can
[10:46:18] <raster> hehehe
[10:46:19] <raster> of course
[10:46:22] <raster> performance is good
[10:46:43] <raster> u can onyl go so far sacrificing features etc. etc. from software before u "cant go further"
[10:46:48] <Quan-Time> thing i REALLY hate is soon as you put extra stuff in, SW guys always seem to absorb it..
[10:46:57] <raster> either u just dont like it anymore, or is ceases to do its job
[10:47:02] <Quan-Time> look @ microsoft.. soon as PCs get uber ram, awesome video cards, etc..
[10:47:09] <raster> and u can only optimise so much before u hit diminishing returns
[10:47:23] <Quan-Time> they bloat the shit out of everything.. i like very minimal setups, so everything is "snappy" and the hardware isnt lagged out
[10:47:26] <raster> true
[10:47:31] <raster> i like to absorbe new hw
[10:47:37] <raster> but... i focus on making it lean to begiin with
[10:48:12] <raster> so invariably for the same hw cost instead of a simply scrolling list - it has mutliple parallax layers of alpha bleended scrolling on the same hw
[10:48:23] <raster> ie... i absorbe the extra power byt making it look sexy
[10:48:24] <raster> :)
[10:48:26] <raster> sexy is good
[10:48:55] <raster> the code underneat it can be rather evil
[10:49:21] <raster> i think most people run scared from it as it looks impossible to maintain or work on... mostly because its optimised heavily and thus is tricky and evil
[10:49:23] <raster> :)
[10:49:28] <Quan-Time> i messed with a GP2X for a while.. was great for EMU and stuff,, but got bored of it quickly
[10:49:34] <Quan-Time> and i cant really do bugger all with the hardware
[10:49:48] <Quan-Time> i CAN do some things, but ive yet to find a ... "useful" solution
[10:50:06] <Quan-Time> wanted to make a home automated system with it, but it required WAAAY too much
[10:50:15] <Quan-Time> the smartq5 would honestly be better suited to it
[10:50:29] <Quan-Time> hell, a mobile phone would !! least it can send SMS and stuff..
[10:50:56] <raster> Quan-Time: u should try get a openpandora
[10:50:58] <raster> it might get u both
[10:51:01] <raster> its a 3530
[10:51:09] <Quan-Time> like.. detect you are within 1km / 1mile of your home via your location, it auto msg your home with a keyword or wahtever, to turn on your aircon, or somethin like that
[10:51:09] <raster> with 4.3" 800x480, wifi , 2x sd card slots
[10:51:11] <raster> etc.
[10:51:20] <raster> its just hitting the last pre-production stages now
[10:51:24] <raster> its not too cheap
[10:51:38] <raster> but it has an omap3530 AND screen, wifi, and even a kbd and more
[10:51:40] <raster> ready to roll
[10:51:46] <raster> u might like that instead of the smartq5
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[10:52:07] <Quan-Time> nice.. wifi.. could do some funky stuff with taht
[10:52:17] <Quan-Time> the GP2X had usb, but it was inherently gimped
[10:52:30] <Quan-Time> and i dont have the SW skill to make it usable for dongles and stuff
[10:52:56] <raster> heheh
[10:52:59] <raster> well try the paandora
[10:53:02] <raster> it may also suit u
[10:53:15] <raster> as u now get the case, screen, and a kbd to boot
[10:53:22] <raster> but oits on the inside lappy-style
[10:53:24] <raster> may not be for u
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[10:53:40] <Quan-Time> makes me think of a evil villan from a bond movie..
[10:53:43] <Quan-Time> all cheesy..
[10:53:46] <raster> hahaha
[10:53:48] <Quan-Time> "we need to hax the main frame"
[10:54:17] <Quan-Time> breaks some 2048bit cypher with a hand held.. and the main frame is a cluster of like 17 kazillion machines..
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[10:54:26] <Quan-Time> i love that shit.. makes me giggle
[10:54:40] <raster> i hope my pandora arrives soon
[10:54:57] <raster> the next 3 weeks or so... i hope
[10:55:31] <Quan-Time> oh you got one ? nice
[10:56:39] <Quan-Time> hmm... anyway.. couch time..
[10:56:44] <Quan-Time> beagle = fun haxin time..
[10:57:14] <Quan-Time> smartq5 = works, and can have it in my car + bike.. or a personal geek device.. which gives me like +9 attack rating
[11:06:26] <raster> Quan-Time: not yet. waiting for it
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[11:37:54] <koen> raster: boo!
[11:42:20] <raster> koen: big ko!
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[11:43:54] <koen> raster: watcha working on?
[11:45:27] <raster> koen: fixingh up the 3d code in evas
[11:45:34] <raster> makign it also do goaud shading
[11:45:43] <raster> (ala what u use in gl to get smoothly shaded surfaces0
[11:45:52] <raster> amade it do linear filtering fast
[11:46:06] <raster> and made the code have more optimal quick paths
[11:46:07] <koen> not phong?
[11:46:28] <raster> phone isnt possible as that requires you know the normals at the verticies
[11:46:33] <raster> in this case, we dont
[11:46:45] <raster> (and interpolating normals is evilly slow compared to goraud)
[11:47:22] <raster> smart objects now map too
[11:47:32] <raster> that means any edje object can be squeezed into "3d" etc.
[11:47:48] <koen> raster: just to be sure: building evas and ecore against the sgx sdk won't add any shlib deps, everythign is dlopen'ed?
[11:47:53] <raster> http://www.rasterman.com/files/hello-map.png
[11:47:56] <raster> clock is an edje file
[11:48:08] <raster> correct
[11:48:19] <raster> only the gl enging will have gl deps
[11:48:28] <raster> so u can isolate it and ALWAYS build against sgx libs
[11:48:48] <raster> when disting binary packages for people - u are safe as the gl dep is an optional runtime linked module dep only
[11:48:51] <raster> sl all good
[11:48:55] <raster> so all good
[11:51:16] <koen> awesome
[11:51:36] <raster> do u know if the beagle guys plan on doing a mroe "finished" bb?
[11:51:50] * koen refines his patch to evas_svn.bb
[11:52:12] <raster> eg like the smartq 5
[11:52:24] <raster> a finished no-frills, basic "omap3" device
[11:52:41] <raster> with touchscreen, lcd, battery, wifi in a case?
[11:52:49] <raster> (not something hyper-expensive like zoom2)
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[12:20:54] <topi_> anyone here from the Netherlands?
[12:21:14] <koen> what happens if someone says yes?
[12:21:26] <topi_> I need to buy a Beagle board here, but I cant find out if there would be an outlet that sells some?
[12:21:44] <topi_> mail order is not an option since I do not have a resident address
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[12:39:40] <topi_> damn. i need to start working on the beagle but its not something you ca buy on the grocery store
[12:39:58] <raster> topi_: most such devices are not
[12:40:07] <raster> its not unusual
[12:40:15] <topi_> anyone willing to sell one to me?
[12:40:23] <topi_> im located in amsterdam
[12:40:24] <raster> noly things that sell int he 100,000's or millions will you find at "grocery stores"
[12:40:28] <raster> or "local shops"
[12:40:37] <raster> a bit far away from me
[12:40:43] <topi_> raster, my problem is that i move faster than the mail delivers
[12:40:45] <raster> and mine died
[12:40:49] <raster> hahahaha
[12:41:21] <topi_> i am currently navigating with bloody laptop, so i want to move to open source solutions and a nice beagle with decent power consumption figures
[12:42:08] <raster> for what?
[12:42:09] <topi_> I am already able to convert bsb sea charts for use in Maemo mapper on the N800
[12:42:22] <raster> oh for maps
[12:42:34] <topi_> I am sailing around the world
[12:42:36] <raster> bb wont help much as u wont haave a screen, or any inptu devices
[12:42:40] <topi_> look here: http://lorelei.kaverit.org
[12:42:41] <raster> or a battery to work while u are out and about
[12:42:46] <raster> u'll have to build that alll
[12:42:51] * mru would not venture out in a boat without old-fashioned paper maps
[12:42:55] <raster> and it wont be small by the time you do
[12:42:56] <raster> :)
[12:43:14] <mru> actually, I'd never venture out in a boat, period
[12:43:20] * mru doesn't like boats
[12:43:33] <topi_> i was thinking of using the expansion connector to route the DSI signals out of OMAP3 and connect a 8 inch TFT
[12:44:14] <mru> topi_: you have dvi and parallel lcd signals already there
[12:44:20] <mru> those not good enough?
[12:44:30] <topi_> well I guess I should look for a parallel TFT then
[12:44:58] <topi_> it will limit the cable length to some centimeters though
[12:45:10] <raster> topi_: and why is a small laptop not useful?
[12:45:25] <topi_> theyy eat lots of amps
[12:45:32] <raster> sure
[12:45:41] <mru> topi_: it should be easy to fit an lvds transmitter
[12:45:49] <topi_> the Macbook fared best, and even it ate almost 10W WHILE IDLE
[12:46:05] <raster> u dont hve enough power on the boat?
[12:46:16] <topi_> I want to idle at around 100 mW maximum
[12:46:17] <mru> you need to harness the power of electric eels
[12:46:35] <mru> is that with or without display?
[12:46:37] <topi_> I harnessed the sun but the bloody solar panel was not eough to run the laptop
[12:46:41] <raster> if i wer u.. i'd just use your n800
[12:47:12] <topi_> mru, display can be off while you dont watch it, but the software needs to keep on running on to save the track and so on
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[12:47:47] <topi_> raster, the N800 is exactly what I have been using so far, but it has its problems too
[12:47:56] <raster> whats the problem?
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[12:48:07] <raster> too slow?
[12:48:07] <topi_> for route planning, i want a bigger display
[12:48:13] <raster> aaah ok
[12:48:25] <raster> biger displays eat power
[12:48:26] <raster> beware
[12:48:39] <topi_> I also want a system that is solely for navigation, the N800 can turn itself off at the inopportunate moment
[12:48:41] <raster> display is one of the hungriest things on a device
[12:48:47] <raster> the bigger it is - the more is eats
[12:48:56] <raster> hmm
[12:49:01] <raster> n800 can stay on permanently
[12:49:12] <topi_> basically, I would bolt the beagle and the display down to the navigation table
[12:49:22] <raster> just a configuration issue.
[12:49:31] <topi_> also, 256M of memory is a minimum
[12:49:47] <raster> u'd need to seal it to keep moisture out of it
[12:49:59] <topi_> the n800 spends a lot of time swapping pages in and out
[12:50:13] <raster> yeah. iyts not fast
[12:50:29] <raster> but u can gain aa lot of mem if u ditch the hildon ui
[12:50:32] <topi_> raster, I would rather just use an epoxy resin to seal the damn thing off completely when i am saitisfied with it
[12:50:32] <raster> run bare x
[12:50:36] <raster> or a leaner wm
[12:50:44] <raster> nothing u wont end up doing on the bb anyway
[12:51:00] <raster> not sure about heat if u do that
[12:51:04] <topi_> well hildon is gnome so it tends to start millions of processes
[12:51:13] <raster> yup
[12:51:34] <raster> i saved about 27m of ram moving from the very bare mer ui (that is less than hildon) to e17
[12:51:38] <raster> for example
[12:51:57] <topi_> ah, the rasterman will be happy
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[12:55:38] <raster> i am
[12:55:38] <raster> :)
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[14:57:02] <SeaStorm> hi everybody
[14:57:27] <SeaStorm> is there any one working win ce on beagle board?
[14:59:21] <SeaStorm> hello
[14:59:57] <SeaStorm> why any body didnt write somethings?
[15:00:07] <SeaStorm> merhaba
[15:00:23] <SeaStorm> neden kimse bi??ey yazm??yor?
[15:00:37] <SeaStorm> hallo!
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[15:02:32] <JTA> lol...hi
[15:02:53] <JTA> a bit late, but i wrote something, no?
[15:03:02] <mru> those impatient turks...
[15:15:21] <eFfeM> mru do I still need the no-cortex-deadlock and ffmepg-arm-update patches in mythtv 0.22rc1 ? I noticed that the asm from dpsutil_neon.c has moved to dsputil_neon_s.S by you so guess all these issues are fixed too, but ri'd like to verify (better safe than sorry)
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[15:33:58] <mru> eFfeM: where are those patches?
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[15:39:22] <janneg> eFfeM: I doubt they are still needed (as long as they aren't applied to ffmpeg too)
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[15:40:24] <janneg> eFfeM: if they don't apply anymore that's a strong hint that they aren't needed anymore
[15:42:22] <janneg> mru: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/mythtv/mythtv-0.21/no-cortex-deadlock.patch
[15:42:57] <janneg> and http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/mythtv/mythtv-0.21/ffmpeg-arm-update.diff
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[15:44:12] <mru> eFfeM, janneg: that's ancient stuff, not needed with current ffmpeg
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[15:45:05] <Bryn> Hey everyone, I was wondering if i could bounce some ideas off you and get suggestions?
[15:45:29] <janneg> yes, eFfeM those two are already in mythtv's ffmpeg copy
[15:45:57] <mru> janneg: what ffmpeg version does mythtv include?
[15:47:33] <Crofton|work> mru, seen on twitter "there's something amusing about writing a PHP to Java translator in C++"
[15:47:41] <janneg> mru: revision 19352
[15:47:56] <mru> Crofton|work: ;-)
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[15:48:28] <mru> guess he didn't have any ideas after all
[15:48:42] <djlewis> right.
[15:49:03] <djlewis> gm guys..
[15:49:12] <eFfeM> mru, janneg, thanks
[15:49:26] <janneg> Crofton|work: one question remains. will the java code be any better than the php code?
[15:49:55] <Crofton> mru, have you seen this? http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1243
[15:50:18] <mru> janneg: no, the question is can it get any worse?
[15:50:32] <Crofton|work> the question is, will it be any different
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[16:53:13] <koen> eFfeM: there shouldn't be any ffmpeg patches needed for mythtv 0.22rcX anymore
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[16:57:49] <eFfeM> koen, thanks
[16:58:43] <koen> eFfeM: if for some reason it doesn't build/work we hassle janneg to update the ffmpeg snapshot :)
[16:58:52] <eFfeM> :-)
[16:59:05] <eFfeM> he's been a great help with mythplugins too
[16:59:10] <eFfeM> recipe is almost finished
[16:59:12] * koen notes that macbook pro batteries last only 18 months
[17:00:55] <eFfeM> koen: depends a little bit on how you use them
[17:01:13] <eFfeM> but my 21 mo old dell battery is also almost dead
[17:01:29] <eFfeM> best is fully drain then reload; not dock like i always do
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[17:02:26] <koen> mine laptop is now 37 months old and I need to order battery #3
[17:02:33] <koen> or live with a 11 min battery life
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[17:03:20] <eFfeM> koen, just enough to boot and shutdown
[17:03:30] <koen> eFfeM: I moved the plugins into the main mythtv dir
[17:03:38] * koen got confused with them being seperate
[17:04:24] <eFfeM> koen, ok, thought a separate dir was better as it was a separate package and we also have myth_frontend (no idea if that is up to date though)
[17:04:40] <eFfeM> hope it does not bring me trouble; did a lot of work on plugins today
[17:07:42] <eFfeM> koen would it be easy to get an error if a file is mentioned in packages but not present?
[17:08:05] <koen> not really
[17:08:13] <eFfeM> pity
[17:08:39] <eFfeM> mythplugins has a lot of files, not sure that I have residue left
[17:09:08] <eFfeM> a lot of subpackages (like mythweather) install in the same dir
[17:09:28] * eFfeM was lazy and used the 0.21 structure from debian as a starter
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[17:18:54] <koen> eFfeM: for beagle I can give instructions on how to build an openGL enabled qt4
[17:19:03] * koen ponders on getting an openrd-client
[17:19:14] <eFfeM> koen, i'm interested but not today
[17:19:38] <eFfeM> janneg came with a good fix for mythtv opengl, now filling all the pacakges
[17:21:26] <koen> eFfeM: btw, rc2 is out
[17:21:40] <eFfeM> ah ok it was not yesterday, will give it a try tonight or tomorrow
[17:21:50] <Crofton> koen, do your patches for stable need another ack?
[17:21:52] <eFfeM> will move the rc1 recipe to rc2 no need to keep rc1 around
[17:22:53] <koen> Crofton: I wasn't sure, so I committed them today, but feel free to ack them anyway :)
[17:23:14] <Crofton> yeah, I couldn't figure out if they are "core"
[17:24:08] <koen> Crofton: I wanted to make sure the patches are in before various people return from their weekend :)
[17:24:32] <Crofton> I'll skim them
[17:24:54] <Crofton> there is a note about the ack coming from someone at a different company :)
[17:24:58] <koen> and since I'm incompetent with email I didn't ack marcins patches, but applied them
[17:26:01] <koen> Crofton: if I were someone else I'd pretend rules are only guidelines, but to be honest I forgot about the company bit
[17:26:08] <Crofton> heh
[17:26:22] <Crofton> well, we can assume you looked on your own time ....
[17:26:32] <Crofton> it says "preferred"
[17:28:31] <koen> Crofton: you're attending the cabal?
[17:35:04] <eFfeM> koen will my checksums in tmp/checksums.ini be merged automatically (or is there another way to merge them automatically?)
[17:35:43] <koen> merged how?
[17:36:23] <eFfeM> well i'm a little bit tired of adding to conf/checksums.ini and then finding out there is a conflict on the next pull
[17:36:34] <eFfeM> and having to readd them
[17:37:16] <koen> I do 'git checkout conf/checksums.ini ; cd TMPDIR ; cat /OE/org.openembedded.dev/conf/checksums.ini >> checksums.ini ; python /OE/org.openembedded.dev/contrib/source-checker/oe-checksums-sorter.py checksums.ini > /OE/org.openembedded.dev/conf/checksums.ini
[17:37:20] <koen> '
[17:37:33] <koen> that adds anything I downloaded and sorts it automatically
[17:37:37] <eFfeM> someone once mentioned to me that there was another place to store them but that did not sound too solid
[17:38:04] <eFfeM> hm, might need to do something like that too
[17:38:12] <eFfeM> will sorter remove duplicates?
[17:38:18] <koen> yes
[17:38:24] <eFfeM> cool
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[17:40:50] <eFfeM> koen, just pushed my mythplugin changes, there is still an issue left with mytharchive; also some files are listed as part of a package but are still reported as not being part of any package
[17:41:01] <eFfeM> no idea what is wrong; would appreciate it if you could get a short look
[17:42:28] <eFfeM> baking mythtv 0.22rc2 atm
[17:43:15] <eFfeM> btw it is all still DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1"
[17:43:28] <eFfeM> need more target testing
[17:47:34] <koen> eFfeM: could you pastebin the output of -c package -f ?
[17:49:02] <eFfeM> koen: http://www.pastebin.ca/1651752
[17:49:37] <eFfeM> the one last part with the long paths is due to some double dipping of install dirs I think, did not solve that yet,
[17:49:56] <eFfeM> but the first ones seem odd (did not check all of them it could be a few are still missing)
[17:50:31] <eFfeM> but e.g. this one is in the image but does not make it to install (or was it the other way around)
[17:51:17] <dirk2> Where can I find a minimalistic Beagle rootfs I can use with recent kernels? I just need a console image to put i2c tools into it to get an idea what's in Zippy's EEPROM
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[17:51:46] <eFfeM> dirk2: amethyst ?
[17:51:56] <koen> dirk2: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/
[17:52:29] <koen> dirk2: then select 'i2c-tools' from the "additional console packages" section
[17:52:49] * dirk2 looks for something pre-built to just extract it to SD card
[17:53:15] <Crofton|work> koen, btw b-demo-image failed building xterm
[17:53:38] <dirk2> Most probably I only need a working busybox rootfs
[17:53:46] <koen> Crofton|work: so respond to rdays mail that you reproduced his problem :)
[17:54:07] <koen> 18:50 < koen> dirk2: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/
[17:54:07] <koen> 18:51 < koen> dirk2: then select 'i2c-tools' from the "additional console packages" section
[17:54:14] <Crofton> ok, guess I need to search for that email :)
[17:54:18] * koen feels like he's repeating himself
[17:55:45] <koen> Crofton: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.angstrom.devel/3909
[17:59:04] <eFfeM> koen should we have mythfront in a separate dir ? just two recipes that give two .sh scripts
[17:59:34] <koen> eFfeM: mythfront is from myth 0.1.ancient or so, I don't dare to touch that :)
[17:59:39] <eFfeM> ah ok
[17:59:46] <koen> s/from/for/
[18:00:09] <eFfeM> didn't expect you'd say there was something you didn't dare to touch :-)
[18:03:41] <Crofton|work> /home/balister/oe/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/install: invalid mode `755.'
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[18:13:03] <eFfeM> koen wrt openrd client: it has two disadvantages
[18:13:33] <eFfeM> 1. it has no pci-e slot, pci-e is used for the internal gfx
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[18:14:07] <eFfeM> 2. there are no recent drivers fro the gfx card yet (only for 2.6.22.18)
[18:14:24] <eFfeM> 3. einfochips is very slow in porting u-boot, audio and video drivers
[18:15:02] <eFfeM> if you want flexible gfx or other pci-e things the base board is better you can just add another pcie vid card (as far as power consumpion allows
[18:15:14] <eFfeM> gfx from client is xgi Z11
[18:15:34] <koen> it's vga, so useless for me
[18:15:41] <eFfeM> maybe you should ask TI to buy you one for competitor analysis
[18:16:03] <eFfeM> koen, then perhaps go for the base, I heard people were considering using it with a 4350 card
[18:16:16] <koen> I think our ethics guidelines wouldn't allow that
[18:16:18] <eFfeM> btw myth 0.22rc2 builds
[18:16:36] <mru> ethics? who cares about ethics?
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[18:30:45] <eFfeM> koen, after moving mythplugins I end up in the situation that it tries to find the patches in files subdir instead of mythplugins_0.21+0.22rc2
[18:30:50] <eFfeM> how to fix that ?
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[18:37:36] <koen> eFfeM: it should look in the recipes/mythtv/mythplugins/ dir
[18:38:05] <koen> eFfeM: and could you run the recipe through contrib/oe-stylize.py?
[18:38:11] <eFfeM> okie
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[18:42:19] <aemkei_> hi.. could someone plz give me a hint on howto access the TWL4030 MADC for voltage monitoring
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[18:44:48] <sakoman_> aemkei_: there is a madc driver. enable it in your kernel build and then you can write code to access it
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[20:02:39] <eFfeM> koen, updated mythtv to 0.22rc2, plugin issues are still there
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[20:03:03] <eFfeM> not really an idea any more if you have one, please let me know
[20:03:13] <eFfeM> otherwise will look into it tomorrow
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[21:48:24] <torus> hi there
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[21:57:00] <Animule> you can sit on my lap if you'd like
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[22:07:19] <torus> oe-question: Since yesterday I get 'gzip: stdout: Broken pipe' Errors during unpacking of various packages while bit-baking. Any idea what's the cause of this?
[22:07:51] <torus> and does anyone know how I can clean my oe installation without the need to rebuild the entire toolchain and do all downloads again?
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[22:08:53] <koen> leave deploy/ and downloads/, delete the rest
[22:09:36] <torus> koen.. from the folders in $OE_HOME/tmp, right?
[22:10:04] <torus> I'll give it a try .. thanks.
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[22:18:49] <torus> bitbake running.. one day I'll get myself a SDD-disk.. That should speed up things a bit.
[22:19:08] <mru> you reckon?
[22:19:21] <mru> why not get a pile or RAM and build in tmpfs?
[22:19:25] <mru> that should be much faster
[22:19:38] <torus> true..
[22:19:43] <mru> cheaper too
[22:19:56] <torus> but I build on a notebook. I don't have a desktop-machine anymore..
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[22:20:09] <mru> now that's your real problem
[22:20:12] <torus> and my ram-slots are already filled up.
[22:20:33] <mru> I just ordered another 6G for my i7
[22:20:56] <torus> wait.. I have shell access to a machine on the net somewhere... I could build there..
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[22:21:09] <torus> hm.. tempting idea..
[22:21:41] <mru> I use my laptop mostly as a fancy remote control
[22:22:24] <torus> how large does a oe installation can grow? Around 12gig, right? (have to ask the owner...)
[22:22:52] <mru> not sure
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[22:23:06] <mru> I keep my stuff fairly minimal
[22:23:46] <torus> mru: I try to do that as well... but one thing leads to another :-)
[22:24:12] <torus> all I really want is a minimal linux with net, usb and dsplink..
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[22:51:16] <hyc> my oe tree is something like 80GB. can't afford the RAM for that, thus I have a 256GB SSD
[22:52:31] <mru> I didn't mean to put the entire oe tree in ram
[22:52:32] <lifeeth> compiling on a SSD .. :\
[22:52:39] <mru> only do the builds in ram
[22:52:41] <lifeeth> it might destroy it fast
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[22:53:06] <hyc> so, why are so many addresses that depend on physical memory size hardcoded in the kernel? I had to patch a bunch of 128M references for the 256M touchbook
[22:53:22] <hyc> can't we detect RAM size at runtime?
[22:54:09] <hyc> mru: do the builds in RAM? I think I do that already, since my fs cache params are jacked up
[22:54:26] <hyc> I've set my writeback to 600 seconds
[22:54:54] <hyc> which also helps prevent the SSD from getting prematurely shredded
[22:56:11] <mru> I untar, configure, make in /tmp/... and install to some place on disk
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[22:57:42] <hyc> tmpfs requires too much manual effort. giving all your spare RAM to the filesystem cache is a lot easier
[22:57:55] <mru> tmpfs effort?
[22:58:06] <hyc> you have to copy things onto it and off of it yourself
[22:58:07] <mru> mount -t tmpfs none /tmp
[22:58:19] <mru> PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/tmp
[22:58:21] <mru> job done
[22:58:25] <mru> if you run gentoo
[22:58:29] <hyc> and you have to delete what you don't need, yourself
[22:58:30] <mru> oe has something similar
[22:58:48] <mru> gentoo does a good job of cleaning up after the build is done
[22:59:50] <hyc> hm, I haven't used gentoo. still on ubuntu here.
[23:00:14] <hyc> and I haven't really looked into the dpkg-buildpkg options much
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[23:00:43] <hyc> anyway, fs cache settings improve the entire system behavior, not just builds
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[23:03:00] <mru> I don't want to lose too much data if the system goes down unexpectedly
[23:03:40] <torus> hey - does anyone knows if the internal C64x+ ram is accessable from the ARM world? On the DaVinci it was mapped into the physical memory space somewhere near the peripherals..
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[23:04:07] <hyc> mru: good point
[23:04:13] * torus is starting plan-b and now boots the dsp the hard way..
[23:04:41] <mru> torus: yes, the sram should be visible
[23:04:55] <mru> that's how you load the code
[23:04:59] <torus> mru: great.. time to serach for the memory map.
[23:05:28] <hyc> mru: by the way, did you make any conclusions from the h264 video clips I posted before?
[23:05:44] <torus> mru: I've already found two registers for the dsp.. boot_address and boot_mode or something like that..
[23:06:21] <mru> torus: are you sure you want to go there? it is the *hard* way
[23:08:54] <torus> mru: well. I try to get dsplink running for almost two weeks now...
[23:09:01] <torus> mru: either I have dsplink or net and usb..
[23:09:06] <torus> I want all three..
[23:09:16] <mru> life ain't easy...
[23:09:22] <torus> yep.
[23:09:50] <torus> dsp is not for pussies :-)
[23:10:28] <mru> that's why that "dsp for dummies" book is so funny
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[23:11:46] <torus> I did a lot of dsplink programming over the last three years, and getting the dsplink versions, kernel-versions and userspace-lib versions right has always taken half of the project time.
[23:12:08] <hyc> indeed. that code is all a mess.
[23:12:31] <torus> oh - and then there is dspbios and codec-engine ect..
[23:12:33] <hyc> but at least it's in better shape than dspbridge.
[23:12:49] <hyc> I still haven't succeeded in making the latest dspbridge code actually work.
[23:13:06] <torus> :-)
[23:13:10] <hyc> (that's after all the struggle to get it to compile...)
[23:13:25] <torus> the sad thing is: I have a dsplinkk.ko module that loads, but I don't have the userspace libs for it... :-(
[23:13:35] <torus> life could be sooo easy..
[23:13:46] <hyc> heh... what's the problem with the libs?
[23:14:09] <torus> I've used the angstroem online image builder (narcissus)..
[23:14:36] <torus> The images absolutely rock, but for some reason you can't use the dsplink with self-compiled binaries.
[23:15:10] <torus> dsplink just refuses to load the dspcode.. (general failure or how they called the "catch all"-error)
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[23:16:28] <hyc> you have all the other modules too? cmem etc.?
[23:16:50] <hyc> yes, the error reporting in the dsplink code is practically non-existent
[23:16:52] <hyc> I filed a few bug reports about that already
[23:17:01] <koen> torus: dsplink got update in the 'stable' config for narcissus on friday, have you tried that?
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[23:18:26] <torus> koen. nope. haven't done that.. Thanks for pointing that out.
[23:19:13] <torus> will give it a try later...
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[23:27:05] <likewise> gm
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[23:31:27] <djlewis> gm likewise
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[23:41:57] <likewise> djlewis: bed time in a minute here --- time is so relative <sigh> :-)
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[23:58:35] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm turning one of these fans: http://www.loveno.be/product/1570 into a case for my beagleboard
[23:58:51] <GrizzlyAdams> http://picasaweb.google.com/grizzlytwi/DropBox#5399288024858182802 <- that is the current progress