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  • [00:15:21] <djlewis> maybe the dew wont be so heavy as to run under the dome flange :)
  • [00:15:50] <djlewis> dome is about 12' high and hard to tarp.
  • [00:27:46] <gduncan> beagle_user: have you tried rolling back to the old kernel to test for failed hardware?
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  • [00:47:36] <_av500_> ah
  • [00:48:02] <djlewis> aounds better than last time.
  • [00:48:06] <djlewis> sounds
  • [00:48:12] <_av500_> :)
  • [00:48:29] <_av500_> switched to another machine
  • [00:49:05] <_av500_> next to the one that crashed and took my irc session with it...
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  • [00:52:04] <djlewis> _av500_: what was the uptime on the one that crashed?
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  • [00:56:47] <_av500_> djlewis: no ideam not my machine
  • [00:57:02] <djlewis> You at work still?
  • [00:57:10] <_av500_> he, its 3am in the morning
  • [00:57:17] <djlewis> I know.
  • [00:57:21] <_av500_> so no
  • [00:57:37] <_av500_> just came back from meeting jason
  • [00:57:54] <djlewis> I was thinking you had a bad case of had to get something done ;)
  • [00:58:03] <_av500_> nah
  • [00:58:24] <_av500_> ill have a bad cas of cant do anything tomorrow...
  • [00:58:36] <_av500_> actually, "later" :(
  • [00:58:37] <_av500_> so gn...
  • [00:58:46] <djlewis> gn
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  • [01:00:49] <djlewis> well, my EHCI dropped the hub :(
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  • [02:13:01] <denix0> sakoman, djlewis: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/26927
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  • [02:14:52] <djlewis> denix0: thank you for the info.
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  • [02:15:17] <denix0> djlewis: np
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  • [02:40:02] <sakoman> denix0: I guess reading the OE list could have saved me some time :-)
  • [02:40:18] <denix0> sakoman: :)
  • [02:41:20] <sakoman> Of course if I read it all the time it might not be net savings :-)
  • [02:41:53] <denix0> "power users never read manuals" :)
  • [02:42:08] <denix0> plus it's quite a long discussion, indeed...
  • [02:43:24] <sakoman> yeah, I guess the lesson is to search the list first when I run into an issue
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  • [02:44:41] <sakoman> doesn't look like anyone has committed a fix yet
  • [02:44:54] <denix0> nope, it's still in the works
  • [02:45:23] <sakoman> haven't read all the emails yet, thought I would look at the repo and cut to the chase :-)
  • [02:45:24] <denix0> koen has some changes in his branch
  • [02:46:13] <denix0> take a look at koen/static-libs-rework - it may not be the final version, but at least it fixes the immediate issue
  • [02:47:19] <sakoman> denix0: yeah, looking at that now
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  • [03:18:28] <RobotGuy> When I booted up my beagle last night, I got two USB devices - /dev/ttyACM0 (Beagle USB OTG) and /dev/ttyUSB0 (USB<->Serial converter, ttyS2). I could only get output to ttyS2 though.
  • [03:18:53] <RobotGuy> I could only interact with Beagle via /dev/ttyACM0. Is this normal under Linux?
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  • [11:08:06] <eFfeM> koen: is it possible to have openrd client added to the amethyst builder ?
  • [11:09:11] <eFfeM> (and is it possible to still get the classic UI one way or another; I really hate to click next, next, next, next)
  • [11:11:49] <koen> patches accepted for both :)
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  • [11:30:06] <_av500_> next
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  • [11:59:50] <YazzY> hi lads
  • [12:00:04] <YazzY> i've seen a demo of xbmc running on beagle
  • [12:00:14] <YazzY> is beagle able to decode 1080p movies?
  • [12:01:33] <mru> morning
  • [12:01:39] <mru> no
  • [12:02:25] <YazzY> i bought a multimedia box which is based on Realtek RTD1283
  • [12:02:49] <YazzY> it's an ARM as well and it has some harware acceleration letting it play 1080p movies
  • [12:06:57] <eFfeM> re
  • [12:07:32] <eFfeM> koen, will try to cook up a patch for openrd client (guess it is not that difficult)
  • [12:07:52] <eFfeM> as far as the next next next concerns: personally I just prefer the old UI
  • [12:16:13] <koen> eFfeM: me too, I just haven't found the time to implement both
  • [12:16:33] <eFfeM> ahh time
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  • [12:16:49] <eFfeM> koen, btw is it next week you have your exams?
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  • [12:17:32] <koen> thursday
  • [12:17:40] <eFfeM> last one ?
  • [12:18:42] <koen> only one :)
  • [12:18:49] <koen> bloody statistics
  • [12:19:39] <eFfeM> hmm. statistics
  • [12:19:40] * mru sympathises
  • [12:20:18] <koen> I don't have the needed hersenkronkel to understand the advanced bits
  • [12:20:23] <koen> like the quizmaster problem
  • [12:20:24] <eFfeM> if I have a vase with 12 red balls and 7 white ones, and I draw one then return it, then draw two more without returning what is the chance that all three balls drawn are red
  • [12:20:37] <eFfeM> who the f**k wants to know
  • [12:21:03] <eFfeM> if you mean with quizmaster the boxes one, that one is actually quite nice
  • [12:21:11] <eFfeM> and hersenkronkel is brain twist
  • [12:21:28] <eFfeM> anway want to wish you good luck with it
  • [12:21:55] <eFfeM> most important thing I learned: "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"
  • [12:21:57] <koen> the 3 doors one
  • [12:23:42] <eFfeM> yeah the 3 doors one, with conditional chances
  • [12:24:11] <eFfeM> actually i think the contestants never knew about it either ;-)
  • [12:28:41] <mru> statistics only made sense to me when I took the signal theory class
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  • [12:29:15] <mru> which had statistics as prerequisite but they let me take it anyway
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  • [12:34:47] <eFfeM> later ...
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  • [16:30:22] <_av500_> gm
  • [16:33:42] <djlewis> hey! _av500_
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  • [16:43:34] <eFfeM> hi all
  • [16:47:25] <mru> hi eFfeM
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  • [17:19:06] <Crofton|work> anyone understand ioremap versus ioremap_nocache
  • [17:19:24] <mru> name says it all, no?
  • [17:19:25] <Crofton|work> and why it looks like I can write more data than I see on the gpmc bus?
  • [17:19:38] <mru> write buffers enabled?
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  • [17:20:05] <Crofton> I would hope ioremap_nocache would have stopped that sort of thing
  • [17:20:31] <mru> I'm not sure what that does
  • [17:20:33] <Crofton> in other words, I do not want to buffer this block of ram
  • [17:20:36] <Crofton> heh
  • [17:20:43] <Crofton> not much from what I see
  • [17:20:44] <mru> but there are three main types of mapping
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  • [17:20:54] <Crofton> well, I suppose I should check the read case :)
  • [17:20:57] <mru> uncached, unbuffered
  • [17:21:00] <mru> uncached, buffered
  • [17:21:03] <mru> cached, buffered
  • [17:21:17] <Crofton> how do you play with these?
  • [17:21:27] <mru> don't know
  • [17:21:28] <Crofton> the read numbers are more sane
  • [17:21:30] <Crofton> hehe
  • [17:21:32] <Crofton> ok
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  • [17:22:28] <mru> uncached, buffered is good for memory-like mappings where you don't want to the complexity of cache flushing/invalidating
  • [17:22:45] <mru> a simple DMB flushes the write buffers
  • [17:22:57] <Crofton> DMB?
  • [17:23:04] <mru> data memory barrier
  • [17:23:22] <mru> or something similar
  • [17:23:23] <Crofton> I have been thinging of spinlocking things
  • [17:23:44] <Crofton> one, because if i ever see smp omap I will need to
  • [17:23:51] <mru> omap4
  • [17:23:56] <Crofton> and that appears to be the way to get mmb's
  • [17:23:58] <Crofton> yeah
  • [17:24:10] <mru> asm("dmb")
  • [17:24:16] <mru> for a quick hack
  • [17:24:20] <Crofton> ok
  • [17:24:42] <mru> see also DSB
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  • [17:24:58] <mru> it's a stronger barrier
  • [17:25:04] <mru> but also slower of course
  • [17:25:23] <Crofton> I think I will try the approaches suggested in the kernel text on mb's
  • [17:25:58] <mru> you haven't said what you're doing
  • [17:26:04] <mru> so it's hard to give sensible advice
  • [17:26:08] <mru> even if I had any
  • [17:26:08] <Crofton> heh
  • [17:26:24] <Crofton> atm I have a logic analyzer attached to the gpmc bus
  • [17:26:36] <Crofton> and
  • [17:26:48] <Crofton> I know about what my access cycle time is
  • [17:26:51] <mru> that's proper debugging
  • [17:26:59] <Crofton> so I did a large transfer to see what number cam back
  • [17:27:15] <Crofton> and the write transfer is faster than the bus timing suggests
  • [17:27:28] <Crofton> basically, I am learning by hacking
  • [17:27:31] <mru> how are you writing?
  • [17:27:34] <Crofton> vi
  • [17:27:37] <Crofton> ah
  • [17:28:00] <Crofton> not copy_from_user
  • [17:28:07] <Crofton> copy_from_user
  • [17:28:14] <Crofton> in a driver
  • [17:28:20] <mru> what instructions end up doing the writes?
  • [17:28:26] <Crofton> dunno :)
  • [17:28:35] <mru> find out
  • [17:28:58] <Crofton> let me see what my attempts at mb's show
  • [17:29:04] <mru> on uncached mappings, suitably aligned STM instructions will generate burst writes
  • [17:29:12] <mru> plain STR will not
  • [17:29:33] <Crofton> yeah, that sort of thing may come up
  • [17:29:35] <mru> unless you have write buffers enabled and fill them properly
  • [17:29:48] <Crofton> ultimately, I think we will want to dma stuff around though
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  • [17:49:58] <Crofton|work> spinlocking/mmiowb
  • [17:50:07] <Crofton|work> seems to sovle the problem, now to do math
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  • [18:00:57] <Crofton> ok, now I need to figure out why it takes 222nS to write 4 bytes :)
  • [18:04:19] <Crofton> might have something to do with running out of system time ...
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  • [18:10:12] <Crofton> no, I was wrong ...
  • [18:10:31] <Crofton> still writing to fast
  • [18:11:59] <koen> Crofton: to your fpga?
  • [18:15:08] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [18:15:19] <Crofton|work> well, no fpga attached yet
  • [18:15:29] <Crofton|work> next week will make a test setup
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  • [18:42:35] <koen> Crofton|work: I wonder why people say "these recipes can go into OE as-is, since they have been tested and are working on $hardware" and are surprised when they need changing
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  • [18:48:44] <RobotGuy> Crofton: I finally got a BeagleBoard (RevC3). :)
  • [18:52:53] <dirk2> Could anybody scan recent OE recipes/linux directory for DSS function for function omap_dispc_set_plane_ba0() ? This is said to be needed for Maemo5 SGX on Beagle.
  • [18:53:33] <dirk2> I have an Overo OE on my disk, but no patch does contain omap_dispc_set_plane_ba0()
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  • [18:59:05] <koen> dirk2: I suspect the maemo guys use either weird kernel patches or have a weird sgx kernel module
  • [18:59:41] <dirk2> koen: :(
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  • [19:38:59] <felipec> koen: we do have our own kernel patches, but we are on the process of refactoring
  • [19:40:17] <felipec> but omap_dispc_set_plane_ba0 is dss2, isn't it?
  • [19:44:01] <felipec> dirk2: it seems to be a simple function that calls _dispc_set_plane_ba0... I can provide the patch if you want
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  • [19:54:50] <Stskeeps> felipec: trying to chase that patch down - i would be happy to get it
  • [19:57:49] <felipec> Stskeeps: http://people.freedesktop.org/~felipec/beagle/
  • [19:58:31] <Stskeeps> thanks!
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  • [20:14:06] <dirk2> Stskeeps: Let us know if this is sufficent or not (e.g. by answering to my mails at maemo developer mailing list). Else we could try the 'make Nokia kernel beagle compatible' approach.
  • [20:14:21] <Stskeeps> dirk2, will do
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  • [20:46:06] <Tof_> quick question, Whats the best distro to use on the beagle for VNCing in and using it as a basic media server?
  • [20:46:41] <superdug> Tof_: wait ... what?
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  • [20:47:21] <Tof_> I basically want the beagle for tinkering, but for starters I wanna control it through VNC
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  • [20:47:47] <Tof_> So i was wondering whats the best Distro to run on the beagle itself
  • [20:47:50] <superdug> SSH would be a happier medium
  • [20:47:59] <Tof_> never really used SSH before
  • [20:48:18] <RobotGuy> I'm starting out with Angstrom, which seems to be the defacto for Beagle at present.
  • [20:48:26] <superdug> Tof_: Ubuntu Armel 9.10 isn't too bad
  • [20:48:35] <Tof_> whats angstrom based on?
  • [20:48:46] <superdug> RobotGuy: yeah, but angstrom falls short on so much
  • [20:48:53] <Tof_> Oh wow, I didn't know the Ubuntu Arm was up to 9.10 yet
  • [20:48:58] <RobotGuy> How does it fall short for you?
  • [20:49:10] <superdug> RobotGuy: the 2 hours initial boot for one
  • [20:49:17] <Tof_> o_O
  • [20:49:38] <RobotGuy> 2 hours? That can't be right.
  • [20:49:53] <RobotGuy> Why would it take so long on the initial bootup?
  • [20:49:54] <Tof_> thats a long time... I think I'd shoot myself
  • [20:50:01] <mru> I think 5 minutes is more accurate
  • [20:50:03] <Crofton> superdug, ?
  • [20:50:05] <superdug> I dunno why it does ... it just does
  • [20:50:21] <Crofton> superdug, I think you are making stuff up
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  • [20:50:25] <superdug> isn't angstrom the one that initializes the distro on first boot?
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  • [20:50:36] <Crofton> um
  • [20:50:38] <adj> err, what?
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  • [20:50:43] <Crofton> most distros have a first boot operation
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  • [20:50:52] <Crofton> what is the big deal?
  • [20:50:53] <superdug> right but angstroms takes forever
  • [20:50:59] <RobotGuy> I still can
  • [20:51:20] <RobotGuy> I still can't imagine Beagle taking 2 hours, even on an initial bootup.
  • [20:51:49] <Crofton> takes forever is wildly exagerated
  • [20:52:03] <Crofton> superdug, who are you trolling for?
  • [20:52:21] <adj> like mru said, 5 minutes is closer to the thruth
  • [20:52:23] <mru> Crofton: ubuntu by the looks of it
  • [20:52:25] <Tof_> whats the typical boot time with the Arm ubuntu?
  • [20:52:31] <Crofton> ah
  • [20:53:12] <mru> ubuntu isn't built for armv7 afaik
  • [20:54:23] <Crofton> frak
  • [20:54:45] <Crofton> I have to use copy_to_user in kernel space
  • [20:54:55] <Crofton> in case the user page is swapped out?
  • [20:55:49] <RobotGuy> Is it normal to get both ttyS2 and a separate USB serial console with Beagle connected to a Linux box?
  • [20:56:42] <RobotGuy> I get output to ttyS2, but can't interact. I have to interact via ttyACM0.
  • [20:58:26] <Tof_> I wish I knew why I'm so obsessed with getting an embedded system. Everytime I have $200 to play with I end up staring at the beagle board wiki for hours.
  • [20:58:59] <Tof_> has anyone messed with other similiar systems?
  • [21:00:20] <RobotGuy> Beagle is probably the most reasonable platform for embedded Linux at present, at least from my point of view.
  • [21:00:37] <mru> it's cheap and powerful
  • [21:00:53] <RobotGuy> I'd say inexpensive and powerful. :)
  • [21:00:59] <Tof_> It looks to be the best for someone like me whos just starting to want to tinker.
  • [21:01:11] <mru> yeah, it's easy to use too
  • [21:01:17] <Tof_> specially since it has video and sd
  • [21:01:23] <mru> unbrickable and all
  • [21:01:49] <RobotGuy> I've bricked the unbrickable before. ;)
  • [21:02:05] <RobotGuy> Hopefully I won't be able to do that with Beagle though.
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  • [21:02:30] <Tof_> is the acrylic case really good to have? or do most of you just leave it out at first (or forever, lol )
  • [21:03:02] <adj> i have one of my beagles mounted on top of an acrylic case :)
  • [21:03:44] <RobotGuy> I need to get a new SD card reader/writer for SDHC. I bought an 8 GB SDHC card for my Beagle. What's a good and reliable reader/writer that handles SD and miniSD?
  • [21:04:03] <RobotGuy> Is there room in that case for Beagle and one expansion board like the Zippy?
  • [21:04:20] <Tof_> Could you actually add on a more capable SD slot?
  • [21:04:38] <RobotGuy> What do you mean by more capable?
  • [21:05:27] <RobotGuy> You can probably add whatever you want to Beagle as far as hardware, but you might have to write a driver to get it to work.
  • [21:05:38] <Tof_> ahh
  • [21:05:46] <mru> what's wrong with the existing sd slot?
  • [21:05:57] <Tof_> robotguy mentioned SDHC
  • [21:06:15] <RobotGuy> Beagle already handles SDHC.
  • [21:06:19] <Tof_> oh ok
  • [21:06:38] <Tof_> got confused >.>
  • [21:06:56] <superdug>
  • [21:07:33] <RobotGuy> I just need to get a reader/writer that handles SDHC so I can read/write my 8 GB SDHC card on my PC.
  • [21:07:44] <Tof_> ah
  • [21:08:30] <superdug> mru: ubuntu has an arm v7 specific distro
  • [21:08:45] <Crofton> RobotGuy, I've bought a couple over the past year and both work
  • [21:09:25] <RobotGuy> I just want a reader/writer that's inexpensive and reliable. Preferrably (but not required) one that handles miniSD also without an adapter.
  • [21:10:52] <RobotGuy> I'm hoping somebody makes an adapter that brings the expansion and LCD headers to selectable 3.3V/5V levels.
  • [21:12:25] <RobotGuy> Then I just have to find somebody to solder connectors for the LCD headers on my Beagle. Those are just too small for me to handle.
  • [21:14:05] <RobotGuy> I;m going to use my current Beagle (with a Zippy when I get it) for development and testing and get a new one to put on my robot.
  • [21:14:31] <Tof_> wish i was hard core like that
  • [21:14:44] <Tof_> I'll start simple with basic server applications
  • [21:15:12] <Tof_> just a mini computer to tinker around with
  • [21:15:39] <RobotGuy> Oh, I will be starting very simple also as soon as I get a bootable SD card made for Beagle. I will just make a card with the demo Angstrom image and tinker with that for awhile before doing anything else.
  • [21:16:09] <Tof_> I saw that one shop had the 4gig ones preformatted
  • [21:16:34] <RobotGuy> I think that is Special Computing.
  • [21:16:36] <Tof_> what exactly is a "demo" image
  • [21:17:02] <mru> an installation with lots of useless stuff that looks cool
  • [21:17:14] <RobotGuy> I imagine it would be the image created by another for showing off features of the Beagle.
  • [21:17:18] <Tof_> ah
  • [21:17:38] <RobotGuy> mru: I've already built several custom images for Beagle.
  • [21:17:49] <RobotGuy> All different sizes.
  • [21:18:10] <RobotGuy> There is a downloadable Angstrom image available.
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  • [21:19:01] <RobotGuy> It was a lot easier for me to get going with OE than it was with Buildroot.
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  • [21:22:59] <LB> Hi, Has anyone developed/used a USB daq I/O card for the beagleboard? Or POS?
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  • [21:56:56] <sakoman> Crofton|work: will you be in Mt. View in early November by any chance?
  • [22:00:53] <Crofton> sadly no
  • [22:00:57] <Crofton> I'll be in cambridge though
  • [22:04:11] <mru> which cambridge?
  • [22:05:23] <Crofton|work> England
  • [22:07:10] <mru> watch out, that's almost within shotgun range ;-)
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  • [22:33:01] <mru> Crofton: feel free to drop by southampton while you're over
  • [22:33:13] <Crofton> ok
  • [22:33:27] <Crofton> I am coming in a few days early to visit my Uncle's family
  • [22:33:31] <RobotGuy> Crofton: Are you still working on an SDR project?
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  • [22:33:43] <Crofton> RobotGuy, yeah
  • [22:33:48] <mru> Crofton: when will you be in england?
  • [22:33:57] <RobotGuy> Cool. I got my ham ticket back in December.
  • [22:34:21] <Crofton> Nov 3-7 or so
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