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  • [02:28:37] * Topic is 'Welcome to #beagle | Discussion about the OMAP3 Beagle Board | http://beagleboard.org | For Beagle search tools, go to #dashboard at irc.gimp.org, not here | Discussion is logged at http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs | Please read http://beagleboard.org/support/faq then ask your question'
  • [02:28:37] * Set by eFfeM on Fri Apr 03 01:09:07 CDT 2009
  • [02:29:37] <djlewis> jkridner|work: , no man, thank you. I use those logs everyday.
  • [02:30:04] <airman00> muriani: so I connect my BB's ethernet to my home internet network
  • [02:30:13] <airman00> and fire up XVNC and then it should autodetect?
  • [02:30:15] * djlewis doesn't keep a pc running IRC 24/7
  • [02:30:16] <muriani> that'd be easiest
  • [02:30:35] <muriani> plug in, make sure it gets IP
  • [02:30:49] <muriani> I dunno if xvnc autodetects local vnc servers
  • [02:30:59] <muriani> you might have to specify the BB's ip address
  • [02:36:54] <airman00> gotcha, going to try it out now. Thanks
  • [02:40:18] <joeR> Are you running linux on the laptop?
  • [02:40:39] <joeR> if so you can do ethernet over the usb
  • [02:41:21] <joeR> I tried to get it to work under XP but I couldn't get the driver configured correctly
  • [02:42:00] <joeR> but under linux it worked great
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  • [02:46:51] * djlewis has yet to get either gadget or host going on the otg.
  • [02:47:00] <djlewis> Must be my cables.
  • [02:48:03] <djlewis> though I did jumper the host mode and my Angstrom wouldnt boot.
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  • [02:59:06] * djlewis is giving it up for the night guys..
  • [02:59:13] <djlewis> later....
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  • [03:12:50] <airman00> JoeR - can you tell me more?
  • [03:15:43] <joeR> Are you running linux?
  • [03:16:27] <airman00> Ubuntu, yes
  • [03:17:35] <joeR> ok, plug in your BB in to your PC using the USB cable
  • [03:17:49] <airman00> ok
  • [03:18:04] <joeR> then do an ifconfig and see if the device usb0 comes up
  • [03:18:28] <joeR> (on the pc side)
  • [03:18:37] <airman00> it does usb1
  • [03:19:08] <joeR> then type ifconfig usb1 10.0.0.1
  • [03:19:39] <joeR> then add a default gateway
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  • [03:21:02] <airman00> wait I get ttyACM0
  • [03:21:40] <joeR> with ifconfig?
  • [03:22:41] <airman00> My setup is just BB connected to computer through USB. No serial port connection. I do dmesg to see what comes up. ANd ttyACM0 comes up. When i do ifconfig I do not see anything that looks like the device - only see eth0 and lo
  • [03:23:22] <joeR> hmm, i know you can do serial over usb too
  • [03:23:43] <joeR> what OS are you running on the BB?
  • [03:23:55] <joeR> Angstrom?
  • [03:23:55] <airman00> Angstrom
  • [03:24:03] <joeR> version?
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  • [03:25:43] <airman00> whoops this is embarassing, it wasnt in the SD card socket :P. Let me put it in
  • [03:25:56] <joeR> ha :)
  • [03:27:07] <airman00> ok now it comes up in ifconfig as eth1
  • [03:27:35] <airman00> actually scratch that- its usb0
  • [03:27:42] <joeR> cool
  • [03:28:44] <joeR> ok, now config usb0 with some ip addy (I use 10.0.0.1 on the pc)
  • [03:28:57] <airman00> ok i configured it to 10.10.10.10
  • [03:29:07] <airman00> merely because I used that as my standard :P
  • [03:29:27] <joeR> ok, can you get a serial connection to the BB?
  • [03:29:40] <airman00> already got it
  • [03:30:08] <joeR> now on the BB see if you have a usb0 when you ifocnfig
  • [03:30:26] <airman00> yep its on it
  • [03:30:46] <joeR> so now ifconfig usb0 10.10.10.11
  • [03:31:02] <airman00> you mean 10.10.10.10?
  • [03:31:21] <joeR> no
  • [03:31:31] <airman00> ok I did ifconfig 10.10.10.11
  • [03:31:41] <airman00> now what
  • [03:31:45] <joeR> then add a default GW on the beagle
  • [03:31:57] <joeR> route add default gw 10.10.10.10
  • [03:32:29] <airman00> did it
  • [03:32:33] <joeR> then on the BB ping 10.10.10.10
  • [03:32:53] <airman00> success
  • [03:33:02] <joeR> your in!
  • [03:33:20] <joeR> now you should be able to VNC in to the beagle
  • [03:33:27] <airman00> how do I stop a ping
  • [03:33:31] <airman00> ctrl-z
  • [03:33:32] <airman00> ?
  • [03:33:40] <joeR> ctrl c
  • [03:34:02] <airman00> SWEET
  • [03:34:02] <airman00> THANKS JOE!!!
  • [03:34:13] <joeR> No problem
  • [03:34:14] <airman00> mind if I post a short tutorial online? I'd give you all credit
  • [03:34:36] <joeR> sure were arte you putting it?
  • [03:34:43] <airman00> prob on my website - narobo.com
  • [03:34:51] <airman00> any weblinks of yours I should put?
  • [03:35:20] <joeR> Nope don't have any, but thanks.
  • [03:36:17] <airman00> so what are you up to now Joe?
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  • [03:38:23] <joeR> school work, but on the beagle I've been trying to get it to come up on my 42" tv.
  • [03:39:42] <joeR> like to play around with it as a media player on the tv
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  • [04:03:38] <airman00> hey still there JoeR?
  • [04:03:59] <joeR> ya
  • [04:04:31] <airman00> so I'm in VNC and I entered username and password all right
  • [04:05:17] <joeR> k
  • [04:05:34] <airman00> mouse buttons worked, keyboard worked fine. But now i'm by the language select page and I cant get passed there! I double click English and the icon mouse pointer does some animation thing, but the language isnt selecting . It doesnt work by any of the languges, even if I select german
  • [04:06:17] <airman00> nevermind im an idiot, the page was getting shrunk on my tiny laptop screen
  • [04:06:21] <airman00> I better get some rest...
  • [04:06:51] <joeR> sounds like an enlightment issue, have you logged before?
  • [04:07:06] <joeR> <logged in>
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  • [04:41:37] <JoeR> anybody know were to get a copy of the SD card they gave out at ESC boston? I muked mine up and need to fix it.
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  • [06:33:41] <Animule> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdX_OBUeHb4
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  • [08:19:18] <ynezz> hi, does anybody knows how many beagleboards have been sold already?
  • [08:19:26] <av500> i have 3
  • [08:19:43] <ynezz> :)
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  • [08:27:21] <XorA> I have one
  • [08:27:24] <XorA> so thats 4
  • [08:31:41] <lifeeth> add another 6 to it
  • [08:31:46] <lifeeth> so thats 10
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  • [08:37:17] <hrw> morning
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  • [11:45:42] <tasslehoff> Are the packages I install with opkg all available in Open Embedded? I'm trying to put together my own image.
  • [11:46:16] <XorA> yes
  • [11:46:30] <XorA> the only way an Angstrom package gets built is from OE
  • [11:47:44] <_koen_> 'morning all
  • [11:48:06] <hrw> hi koen
  • [11:50:22] <_koen_> it isn't even 7 am yet!
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  • [11:58:24] <XorA> heh
  • [11:58:32] <XorA> thats what you get for being wrong side of the world
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  • [12:03:34] <hrw> haha
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  • [12:05:13] <hrw> heh, fun...
  • [12:06:11] <hrw> I ordered some components from online shop, paid over net so they got cash in <5 minutes. now they sent package (=gave it for courier company). but why tracking number will be tomorrow? :D
  • [12:06:24] <mru> hi _koen_, where are you? texas?
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  • [12:11:54] <av500> hrw: thats not unusual
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  • [12:17:29] <hrw> koen: please remove binutils 2.19 from angstrom 2008 feeds
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  • [12:18:42] <mru> hrw: which version is good?
  • [12:19:18] <hrw> mru: 2.18.50.0.7 was used for 2008 angstrom
  • [12:19:43] <hrw> and that one is build when stable/2009 is used
  • [12:20:08] <mru> I've no issues with 2.19
  • [12:20:20] <mru> 2.20 is trouble, but not because of itself
  • [12:20:27] <mru> glibc refuses to build with 2.20
  • [12:20:37] <mru> it looks for version 2.1[4-9]
  • [12:20:45] <mru> idiots
  • [12:20:45] <hrw> simple fix
  • [12:21:00] <mru> simple in the autohell sense, yes
  • [12:21:03] <av500> mru: btw, I applied this locally here to make sure I dont fall into the fPIC trap: http://www.nabble.com/Detect-ARM-MOVW-MOVT-relocations-in-shared-library-links-p23266269.html
  • [12:21:06] <hrw> mru: binutils refuse to build with makeinfo >2.10 in some versions
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  • [12:23:33] <mru> av500: thanks
  • [12:23:53] <mru> av500: btw, it seems like recent gcc versions use these instructions
  • [12:24:17] <mru> someone really needs to fix the linkers to allow it
  • [12:24:56] <av500> mru: yes, saw it with 440/441
  • [12:25:42] <mru> I don't understand why the PTBs won't allow non-pic shared libs when it's so easy to do it
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  • [12:26:22] <av500> no idea...
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  • [12:47:01] <_koen_> mru: dallas
  • [12:47:12] <_koen_> hrw: hrm, 2.19 shouldn't be in there at all :(
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  • [12:53:43] <hrw> indeed
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  • [13:09:58] <Crofton> not even 7 AM here ....
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  • [13:13:10] <mru> morning Crofton
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  • [13:23:04] <Crofton> \gm
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  • [14:20:15] <DaveDave1port> koen: ping
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  • [14:40:34] <Crofton> DaveDave1port, he is in Texas, where they make instruments
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  • [14:40:43] <Crofton> he might be in and out for a few days
  • [14:41:19] <DaveDave1port> owh ok
  • [14:41:40] <DaveDave1port> I have a utterly stupid question
  • [14:42:04] <DaveDave1port> I haven't used my Beagle board in 2 months. I attach it, run opkg update opkg upgrade.. and tehre are no updates.. so I wondered if the feed changed or so
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  • [14:44:13] <av500> Crofton: what would that be, bullhorns?
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  • [14:53:40] <Crofton> DaveDave1port, I am not sure
  • [14:54:19] <DaveDave1port> just confused me utterly
  • [14:54:28] <DaveDave1port> I kinda expected a updated kernel and so
  • [14:54:57] <hrw> DaveDave1port: you have 2008 or unstable feeds?
  • [14:55:04] <DaveDave1port> 2008
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  • [14:55:35] <DaveDave1port>
  • [14:55:36] <DaveDave1port> Angstrom 2009.X-stable
  • [14:55:46] <hrw> 2008 passed - no updates for those feeds
  • [14:56:18] <DaveDave1port> is there a 2009 feed then?
  • [14:57:55] <hrw> yes - unstable one
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  • [14:58:28] <DaveDave1port> I read a post (From koen I think) saying that 2008 feed was still updated..
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  • [14:58:31] <DaveDave1port> a well old post then
  • [14:58:43] <hrw> ok, it can be updated from time to time
  • [14:58:55] <hrw> I will not be surprised if new kernel will appear there soon
  • [14:58:57] <DaveDave1port> so how do I switch?
  • [14:59:06] <DaveDave1port> to unstable
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  • [15:28:20] <prpplague> koen: ping
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  • [15:32:21] <av500> prpplague: koen is in TX...
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  • [15:32:30] <muriani> oh?
  • [15:32:37] <prpplague> av500: i know, i'm about to go have lunch with him
  • [15:32:38] <muriani> maybe he and I should meet for lunch, lol
  • [15:32:41] <muriani> haha
  • [15:33:00] <muriani> except I have no vehicle, which makes meeting anyone for lunch fairly difficult.
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  • [15:34:50] <muriani> speaking of the devil... :p
  • [15:34:55] <prpplague> _koen_: greetings
  • [15:35:46] <_koen_> hey prpplague
  • [15:36:10] <_koen_> prpplague: small change of plans, could you pick me up from 12500 TI blv, "north lobby"?
  • [15:36:23] * _koen_ was trying to figure out how to get an outside line to call Rusty
  • [15:36:43] <prpplague> _koen_: rusty is on his way, i'll give him a call
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  • [15:37:15] <_koen_> prpplague: thanks
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  • [15:37:38] <_koen_> prpplague: it's about 2 miles from the hotel, so thankfully not a big detour
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  • [15:38:06] <prpplague> _koen_: ok, i'll head out now to pick you up
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  • [15:38:45] <_koen_> prpplague: that would be a bit early
  • [15:38:54] <_koen_> prpplague: AIUI the plan was 12::00
  • [15:39:03] <prpplague> _koen_: i'm over an hour away
  • [15:39:06] <_koen_> ah :)
  • [15:39:24] <muriani> prpplague: you're up on the north side of town, right?
  • [15:39:42] <prpplague> muriani: naw, i'm over in the ft.worth area
  • [15:39:47] <muriani> oh
  • [15:40:05] <muriani> heh, I thought TI here in houston, doh
  • [15:40:29] <prpplague> _koen_: see ya shortly
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  • [15:45:06] <Crofton> it sounds like prpplague_afk needs to drive from one end of the Netherlands to the other to get _koen_
  • [15:45:46] <hrw> Netherlands are so small? :D
  • [15:45:54] <_koen_> Crofton: californ-eye-a is starting to affect you :)
  • [15:46:09] <Crofton> yeah
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  • [15:46:21] <Crofton> time to walk over to Ettus Galactic HQ
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  • [16:05:00] <ghoti> So ... I bought a 4GB NAND+2GB DDR chip with my bgb. No instructions for installing came in the box, and I'm having difficulty finding any on beagleboard.org. Can someone point me in the right direction? Is the System Reference Manual hiding these instructions somewhere?
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  • [16:05:52] <ghoti> I understand I need to pop off the existing memory from the CPU before installing the bigger chip ... but I don't want to break anything.
  • [16:06:08] <av500> ghoti: ???
  • [16:06:23] <ghoti> Well, that's what I was told by someone else.
  • [16:06:28] <av500> ???
  • [16:06:34] <ghoti> But details were scarce. :)
  • [16:06:34] <av500> what did u buy with the BB?
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  • [16:06:54] <av500> the BB is not a PC where you "pop" memory in and out...
  • [16:06:57] <ghoti> I have this thing labelled "IC MCP 4GB NAND 2GB DDR 168VFBGA".
  • [16:07:16] <mru> av500: but the nice man sold me some PoP memory...
  • [16:07:19] <ghoti> hence the question.
  • [16:07:56] <av500> ghoti: get some acrylic and make a nice keychain....
  • [16:08:15] <ghoti> So I'm replacing an 8WA98/JW256 that came with the board with an 8VA98/JW295.
  • [16:08:23] <ghoti> av500, nice, thanks for your help. Next?
  • [16:08:57] <av500> ghoti: well, I'd guess you start shopping around for a BGA rework station....
  • [16:09:26] <Zygo> can the CPU even address that much RAM?
  • [16:09:26] <av500> e.g. http://cgi.ebay.com/Jovy-Systems-RE-7500-BGA-Rework-Station_W0QQitemZ250391946805QQcmdZViewItem
  • [16:09:39] <mru> Zygo: that's 256MB ram
  • [16:09:46] <av500> Zygo: 4GB is 512MB...
  • [16:09:58] <mru> so 512MB nand, 256MB ram
  • [16:11:11] <ghoti> av500, http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=557-1436-ND
  • [16:12:11] <av500> ghoti: yes, so?
  • [16:12:24] <ghoti> so, I'm wondering how to install it.
  • [16:12:36] <ghoti> If you're saying it can't be installed, I'll call up digi-key and ask for a refund.
  • [16:12:45] <ghoti> or at least, ask for further information.
  • [16:12:45] <av500> geee, u dont install it, a highly skilled manufacturer does that for u
  • [16:13:04] <av500> well, digikey sells parts
  • [16:13:53] <av500> resoldering the pop mem on an omap3 is very hard to do
  • [16:14:10] <mru> av500: can that machine you linked do it?
  • [16:14:14] <ghoti> So this is a resoldering job? That certainly wasn't made clear by the documentation.
  • [16:14:18] <ghoti> pre- or post-sale.
  • [16:14:20] <av500> mru: I think not
  • [16:14:29] <av500> 2500 is on the low end :-)
  • [16:14:46] <av500> the problem is how to desolder the pop without desoldering the omap3 itself...
  • [16:15:11] <av500> my hw guy says that u normally solder pop to omap3 1st, then both together to the pcb...
  • [16:15:29] <mru> or both in one go
  • [16:15:34] <av500> ghoti: if digikey told you that you can "install" that chip, they deserve a severy spanking!
  • [16:15:53] <av500> mru: I'll ask the guys in china...
  • [16:17:44] <hrw> basically resoldering pop memory is doable. at least in theory.
  • [16:18:31] <mru> yeah, all you need is a 4D ray gun
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  • [16:20:02] <av500> hrw: everything is "doable", question is who can do it
  • [16:20:35] <hrw> yep
  • [16:20:38] <av500> last year, we had problems to find anybody in europe that would solder .4 BGA...
  • [16:20:57] <av500> ended up doing prototypes in china....
  • [16:21:08] <hrw> av500: I wonder how many omap3 boards do not use pop at all
  • [16:21:28] <av500> all our gen6 products...
  • [16:21:38] <av500> e.g.
  • [16:21:55] <mru> pop should make pcb routing a bit simpler though
  • [16:22:01] <av500> mru: YES!
  • [16:22:28] <hrw> mru: but what if you want 4GB nand and 512MB ram?
  • [16:22:57] <mru> bribe someone to do a pop device
  • [16:24:00] <ghoti> So ... if it can't be used, why would memory be listed as a normal accessory at http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/mkt/beagleboard.html ?
  • [16:24:44] <mru> for people who have the necessary machines of course
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  • [16:29:15] <ghoti> Okay, BB customer service confirms that Digi-Key should be spanked.
  • [16:30:29] <ghoti> Having hard-to-find documentation is one thing. Having none at all is just bad.
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  • [16:33:59] <falkk_> I'm pretty much a newby and would like someone to suggest me the more convenient deelopment environment for the beagleboard intended to be used as embedded controller
  • [16:34:28] <falkk_> As far as now I'm running for Eclipse+QTOPIA+CodeSourgery
  • [16:34:41] <av500> ghoti: I agree that listing these parts as "add-on" is somewhat missleading...
  • [16:35:03] <av500> CodeSurgery :-)
  • [16:35:11] <_koen_> CodeSlavery
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  • [16:35:42] <av500> jkridner|work: ping, pls remove the POP memory from http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/mkt/beagleboard.html
  • [16:35:49] <av500> or at least add a notice....
  • [16:36:30] <falkk_> ya CodeSurgery, but still anything more convenient? why should I have all the DSP stuff to use Qtopia??
  • [16:37:20] <av500> what is inconvenient about a compiler?
  • [16:40:08] <mru> it is, sadly, the best free one available
  • [16:40:40] <falkk_> Sorry, I don't mean the toolchain to be incovienient at all. But the whole architecture. Say I'm currently using AT91SAM9261,m,,
  • [16:41:00] <falkk_> busybox and QTopia to get the graphics
  • [16:41:27] <falkk_> if I were to switch to a DSP capable HW I'd like to expliot it
  • [16:41:52] <falkk_> and I don't see how still using the 'old' Eclipse+QTopia+..
  • [16:42:36] <mru> eclipse is of course highly inconvenient
  • [16:43:06] <ghoti> vi is my ide...
  • [16:43:38] <falkk_> what is the communty using as dev IDE??
  • [16:43:49] <ghoti> vi.
  • [16:43:51] <mru> linux
  • [16:43:52] <av500> falkk_: what has that to do with the DSP?
  • [16:44:14] * av500 programs the dsp without ide...
  • [16:44:27] <mru> butterflies?
  • [16:44:33] <ghoti> falkk_, I'll be building stuff based on existing linux images.
  • [16:45:00] <av500> mru: yeah, didn't master emacs...
  • [16:45:36] * av500 commands a flock of butterflies in unstable climate zones
  • [16:45:46] <falkk_> av500 I mean, I'll use the beagleboard as a system controller, running periodic tasks, IOs and an attractive GUI, mcuh better that my AT91SAM9261 can
  • [16:46:04] <falkk_> so make use of the DSP in my code is a must
  • [16:46:28] <falkk_> Qtopia relise on the qws to
  • [16:46:30] <av500> falkk_: yes, so?
  • [16:46:38] <falkk_> write into the framebuffer
  • [16:46:39] <Zygo> people who rely on IDEs can't understand how people can develop without one, and people who don't use IDEs can't understand how people can develop with one
  • [16:46:40] <av500> I still dont get what that has to do with the "IDE"
  • [16:46:53] * ghoti is in the latter camp
  • [16:47:32] <falkk_> how can I use the DSP isntructions and so on if I don't have X server but only qws server?
  • [16:47:54] <av500> but u understand that the DSP is a separate CPU?
  • [16:48:03] <falkk_> sure I do
  • [16:48:12] <av500> so it runs its own SW
  • [16:48:26] <falkk_> that's the point
  • [16:48:52] <falkk_> how can I let Qtopia use it?
  • [16:49:30] <av500> 1) you pick your favorite arm to dsp framework
  • [16:49:36] <av500> 2) you write your dsp code
  • [16:49:51] <av500> 3) you write arm side code to interface your dsp code using the framework from 1)
  • [16:50:15] <mru> 4) you develop a dislike for the framework from 3)
  • [16:50:25] <mru> 5) you pick the next framework from the list
  • [16:50:26] <av500> whether you use X, qtopia or eclipse is irrelevant
  • [16:50:31] <mru> 6) goto 2)
  • [16:50:45] <muriani> hahaha
  • [16:50:59] <av500> mru: you can actually resuse some code on the dsp side :-)
  • [16:51:20] <av500> but you repeat 2a) make your dsp code run in the framework of course ...
  • [16:51:29] <falkk_> LEt's keep eclipse out of this discussion, it's only a mean to get a convenient and reliable
  • [16:51:38] <av500> sure
  • [16:51:39] <falkk_> GUI builder integrated
  • [16:52:06] <mru> eclipse is a convenient and reliable way to use up every ounce of ram on your system
  • [16:52:34] <av500> mru: it even ues the scratch byte in the 16550 uart?
  • [16:52:38] <av500> uses
  • [16:52:38] <falkk_> I do cross compile, so ram is not an issue
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  • [16:53:09] <av500> falkk_: haha
  • [16:53:17] <falkk_> :)
  • [16:54:10] <ghoti> If I wanted the bgb to power a relay, where would be the best place to connected? An line on the expansion header? Seems like it would be easier just to use a signal on the serial port, like RTS.
  • [16:54:16] <falkk_> I understand I'll use the existing DSP bridge and code, or even better gstreamer + Angstrom
  • [16:54:38] <av500> ghoti: I'd use a GPIO on the exp header
  • [16:55:02] <av500> just make sure you have the right glue between it and a 120/220V relay...
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  • [16:55:13] <ghoti> ya, of course. ;)
  • [16:55:31] <av500> but then, exp header has a number of GPIO to try and burn...
  • [16:55:35] <falkk_> and forget about busybox kind of stuff, so wasting some of the resources for unuseful tasks
  • [16:55:56] <av500> falkk_: ???
  • [16:56:34] <falkk_> av500, I don't think Angstrom +X +... is a minumal build is ti?
  • [16:56:43] <falkk_> it
  • [16:57:34] * av500 still does not get what falkk_ is aiming at...
  • [16:58:21] <ghoti> so, um ... my background is more sysadmin than programming... How would I control the a GPIO? Would the result be that GPIO-to-GND is 1.8v? Ideally (for my development purposes) I'd want a command-line tool that would report and change the state of the line. Sort of like `stty` would for the serial port. :)
  • [16:58:30] <ghoti> sorry for newbie questions...
  • [16:58:36] <hrw> falkk_: you can run anything on BB and still be able to use DSP part
  • [16:59:31] <falkk_> I'm aming at developing stand alone applicationsm that can be easily debugged, that run pretty much real time and can be eventually easily certified for medical applications ISO 60601.. and still exploit the fantastic opportunities if the OMAP + DSP
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  • [17:00:21] * ghoti has aspirations much more modest than falkk_'s
  • [17:00:57] <falkk_> what I am used to do is to cut everything not needed, my linux system (kernel +busybox) is typ. 700 kBm than qws and so on make everything in the 5MB region
  • [17:01:22] <av500> falkk_: you can do that on the BB too
  • [17:01:30] * mru is frightened by the prospect of medical equipment based on omap3
  • [17:01:39] <av500> ghoti: search the ML archives, ppl have asked about controlling GPIOs before...
  • [17:01:39] <falkk_> all right
  • [17:01:59] <av500> mru: why not have a nive 720p video while you take your last breath?
  • [17:02:03] <av500> nice
  • [17:02:18] <av500> or have that encoded in 720p?
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  • [17:02:25] <av500> or both, on omap4
  • [17:02:33] * mru would use nothing more complicated than an arm9 for medical stuff
  • [17:03:00] * av500 prefers a doctor with arm1 and arm2, both steady
  • [17:03:04] <falkk_> av500 : because the GUI needs to be attractive, consider your endoscope images overlay with your application, and the whole is recorded for insurances
  • [17:03:18] <av500> falkk_: you can do that too
  • [17:03:36] <mru> av500: not a fan of doc ock then?
  • [17:03:47] <av500> didnt have the pleasure yet
  • [17:04:02] <falkk_> yes and what is in the end your proposed development environment?
  • [17:04:41] <av500> as in IDE? whatever you prefer
  • [17:04:50] <falkk_> We don't have 1000 developers in our company and we need to rely on industry standard tools..
  • [17:05:00] <av500> as in app and dsp frameworks, whatever you can master
  • [17:05:09] <av500> if you know QT, make the UI in QT
  • [17:05:15] <mru> it's the other way around
  • [17:05:34] <mru> if you're fewer than 1000 people, you're not forced to slave under industry standard tools
  • [17:05:52] <mru> you can use stuff that actually works instead
  • [17:06:03] <av500> mru: dont ever go in automotive :-)
  • [17:06:25] <falkk_> mru : try to get oyur software, kernel, libraries and so on certified by medical ISO...
  • [17:06:41] <falkk_> it's a nightmare
  • [17:06:46] <mru> av500: it's probably a good thing I don't drive
  • [17:07:08] <av500> mru: not really, but its no fun to write that SW...
  • [17:07:13] <mru> I'm also never ill...
  • [17:07:20] <mru> av500: misra etc?
  • [17:07:21] <av500> they have these nice "safe" C subsets
  • [17:07:40] <falkk_> unfortunately I make my living out of that..
  • [17:08:13] * mru prefers to make a killing
  • [17:08:30] <falkk_> I'd rather go fo it too
  • [17:08:39] <falkk_> thanks guys,
  • [17:08:45] <mru> get your medical apps right and you might do it...
  • [17:08:51] <mru> or was that wrong?
  • [17:09:05] <falkk_> see you next time
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  • [17:09:42] * av500 wonders what his exec summary will be....
  • [17:10:15] <av500> "boss, lets not use OMAP3, there only crazy ppl around it...."
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  • [17:10:28] <mru> ;-)
  • [17:10:51] <mru> looking at the errata lists, omap3 is *not* good for medical stuff
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  • [17:12:07] <av500> mru: luckily it's still the doc that actually handles the endoscope :-)
  • [17:12:25] <ghoti> also lucky that falkk_ left before you said that. :)
  • [17:12:49] <av500> endoscope.forward(1000mm);
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  • [17:14:22] <ghoti> What's the name for the plug type that the JTAG and serial ports use? It's not DIP, because that's wider spaced and for chip packages....
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  • [17:14:47] <av500> idc something
  • [17:15:15] <av500> same pitch as DIP, 2.54mm
  • [17:15:39] <ghoti> Hmm. Would it be sensible to solder a 28-pin one of those plugs onto the expansion header, for easier access? Is the expansion header the right size?
  • [17:15:48] <ghoti> THAT solder job is something I could manage...
  • [17:16:12] <av500> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulation-displacement_connector
  • [17:16:53] * ghoti hands av500 a cookie
  • [17:18:31] <av500> what u want on the BB is a male pin header
  • [17:18:58] <ghoti> like the others, ya, that makes sense...
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  • [17:20:40] <roy_vanegas> hi folks
  • [17:21:03] <roy_vanegas> so, i was here last week asking about getting gcc to work on the beagleboard
  • [17:21:14] <av500> http://www.colinkarpfinger.com/images/interconnects/pinheader.jpg
  • [17:22:00] <ghoti> av500, ya, that's what I'll install. Thanks again.
  • [17:23:25] <roy_vanegas> i still can't seem to get gcc installed successfully on the beagleboard.
  • [17:24:36] <roy_vanegas> i'm going to switch computers.
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  • [17:26:06] <roy_vanegas> has anyone successfully installed gcc on their beagleboard?
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  • [17:29:43] <roy_vanegas> I know that I can pre-build a kernel using narcissus (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus), but there is not option to pre-install gcc.
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  • [17:33:13] <av500> not even under "dev packages->toolchain"?
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  • [17:36:19] <roy_vanegas> av500: under the section marked "Development packages" at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus, there is an option for "Toolchain"
  • [17:36:36] <roy_vanegas> av500: is that what you mean?
  • [17:36:40] <av500> yes
  • [17:36:53] <roy_vanegas> av500: gcc is in that toolchain?
  • [17:37:05] <av500> I'd guess so
  • [17:37:49] <roy_vanegas> av500: do you have gcc installed on your beagleboard?
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  • [17:40:39] <av500> no, i dont use my BB...
  • [17:40:56] <av500> and i compile on the PC, not the omap3 platform...
  • [17:43:41] <roy_vanegas> av500: That sounds much easier, actually. Compiling my executable on a Mac, then running that executable on the Beaglboard is the most ideal situation.
  • [17:44:29] <roy_vanegas> And that's what i'm trying to do.
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  • [18:01:50] <ds2> Morning
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  • [18:02:41] <roy_vanegas> Is anyone cross-compiling C programs between a Mac and the Beagleboard?
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  • [18:05:54] <roy_vanegas> More specifically, has anyone carried out the process for cross-compiling at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ, under "MacOS X/ x86"?
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  • [18:19:39] <DaveDave1port> neat after many hours my upgrade failed horridly
  • [18:19:49] <DaveDave1port> don't have ls anymore :D
  • [18:23:35] <djlewis_> oh my, linux is lonley without 'ls'
  • [18:23:39] <djlewis_> lonely
  • [18:26:05] <ds2> BAH
  • [18:26:08] <ds2> who needs ls
  • [18:27:48] <djlewis_> ;) morning ds2:
  • [18:28:09] <av500> gm djlewis_ ds2
  • [18:29:06] <ds2> djlewis_: really... been w/o ls in many situations. one learns to make due after the first few times
  • [18:30:25] <djlewis_> 'ls' my eyes to the fs....
  • [18:30:42] <ds2> there are ways to see the fs w/o ls
  • [18:31:06] <ds2> ways that do not require a fs (accessing the fs can be fatal at times)
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  • [18:35:03] <jkridner|work> av500: I'll ping the Digi-Key guys. Why does it need to be removed?
  • [18:35:37] <av500> somebody ordered the 512/256 pop mem, thought he could just "snap" it on...
  • [18:35:53] <DaveDave1port> man this is frustrating.. no core utils
  • [18:36:02] <av500> [18:05] <ghoti> I understand I need to pop off the existing memory from the CPU before installing the bigger chip ... but I don't want to break anything.
  • [18:36:05] <DaveDave1port> and installing coreutils fails because well it needs ls,rm etc
  • [18:36:22] <av500> DaveDave1port: why not make a new image?
  • [18:36:30] <DaveDave1port> what was koen site?
  • [18:36:51] <av500> [18:05] <ghoti> So ... I bought a 4GB NAND+2GB DDR chip with my bgb. No instructions for installing came in the box, and I'm having difficulty finding any on beagleboard.org. Can someone point me in the right direction? Is the System Reference Manual hiding these instructions somewhere?
  • [18:36:55] <av500> jkridner|work: ^^^^^^^^^^
  • [18:37:17] <av500> DaveDave1port: this one: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus
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  • [18:38:25] <DaveDave1port> thanks
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  • [18:39:11] <jkridner|work> oh.... wow. Instructions for replacing the RAM!
  • [18:39:16] <av500> yep
  • [18:39:25] <jkridner|work> guess that does need to be corrected for impression.
  • [18:39:38] <av500> the pop mem is on the same page as stuff that "install" easily, like usb cables :-)
  • [18:40:01] <DaveDave1port> lol.
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  • [18:40:52] <Zygo> until today I didn't even know there were two separate parts there
  • [18:41:22] <av500> take a small blade and "pop" it off :-)
  • [18:41:59] <av500> dont!
  • [18:42:09] <DaveDave1port> ha ha
  • [18:42:47] <Zygo> why not? what could possibly ha
  • [18:42:48] <Zygo> ;)
  • [18:42:52] <jkridner|work> what installation instructions that are available are at http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/spraav2/spraav2.pdf
  • [18:43:42] <ds2> Mmmmm DIY POP replacement
  • [18:44:30] <ds2> anyone writing up working instruction that do not require a >US$100 machine needs to get a free board ;)
  • [18:45:57] <mru> http://unicorn.mansr.com/~mru/beagle_toaster.jpg
  • [18:46:18] <av500> thats the machine to get it off...
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  • [18:49:13] <ds2> getting it off is "trivial" ;)
  • [18:49:54] <ds2> you can probally get a 100watt soldering gun on top of the POP and heat it til the balls melt
  • [18:50:26] <Zygo> blowtorches work too
  • [18:50:36] <Zygo> not much works afterwards, but a blowtorch _will_ get the chips off. ;)
  • [18:50:39] <mru> rayguns ftw
  • [18:51:10] <mru> high-voltage discharges can work too
  • [18:51:32] * mru has seen holes blown in PCBs by angry flash capacitors
  • [18:51:33] <ds2> Mmmm EDM'ing off a chip
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  • [19:21:15] <cjp> gurus ... anyone know how to view system memory from within bash. e.g. mem / kmem
  • [19:21:29] <cjp> or within busybox ...
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  • [19:29:26] <hrw> cjp: vi /proc/mem?
  • [19:30:16] <Crofton> cat /proc/mem
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  • [19:31:31] <bkero> You mean /dev/mem
  • [19:31:44] <bkero> or /dev/kmem
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  • [19:34:00] <hrw> ok
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  • [19:34:54] <bkero> Although merely viewing them can cause them to change, which sometimes doesn't work to your advantage.
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  • [19:37:55] <hagna> so does beagleboard support usb otg through linux?
  • [19:38:06] <hrw> does
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  • [19:39:12] <hagna> hrw: in additing to supporting it does it work?
  • [19:39:29] <hrw> hagna: I used g_ether for some time with BB
  • [19:39:50] <hagna> hrw: cool
  • [19:40:05] <hagna> ok I'll get one maybe unless there is something cheaper that runs linux and supports otg
  • [19:40:28] <hrw> hagna: living in US or EU?
  • [19:40:29] <hagna> US
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  • [19:41:35] <auto_mitch> hello everyone
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  • [19:42:15] <auto_mitch> can you help me i am newbie and i dont know how can i create a dual-boot sd card for my BB through windows can you help me?
  • [19:43:09] <auto_mitch> is there any way or i must have linux to follow the known procedure
  • [19:43:11] <auto_mitch> ???
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  • [19:43:17] <adj> i think you mean dual partition card
  • [19:43:40] <auto_mitch> yes man
  • [19:43:51] <auto_mitch> can you help me please?
  • [19:43:53] <adj> there might be some software which can handle other filesystems than fat and ntfs in windows
  • [19:44:05] <adj> with windows default utilities it's impossible
  • [19:44:19] <hrw> auto_mitch: boot linux livecd...
  • [19:44:36] <auto_mitch> i want to follow the instructions in the following site http://www.hbrobotics.org/wiki/index.php5/Beagle_Board but i dont know how to do this
  • [19:45:37] <auto_mitch> Should i use vmware virtual pc is this a good solution?
  • [19:46:03] <hrw> we should start SD cards for BB
  • [19:46:14] <midcon1> they already do that somewhere
  • [19:46:20] <midcon1> someone was in here talking about it the other day
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  • [19:48:04] <midcon1> has anyone else had problems with some of the functions in the GLES 1 headers?
  • [19:48:19] <midcon1> i keep getting implicit declaration warnings for glOrthof and glOrthox
  • [19:48:30] <midcon1> but they're both definitely defined in the headers
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  • [19:57:58] <hrw> _koen_: gcc 4.3.0 stuff is present in 2008/armv6 feeds...
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  • [20:01:08] <DesktopMa> midcon1: are you using c++? are they c++ safe?
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  • [20:02:36] <mru> is c++ safe?
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  • [20:02:55] <arte> hi, I am having troubles with getting my USB stick to work. I get the "port 2 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling..." error. Found a thread about it but no solution, anyone has any news about this?
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  • [20:10:35] <hrw> arte: provide more power to hub?
  • [20:17:33] <jkridner|work1> cool... just saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSec8qMeYw4 (Chrome on the BeagleBoard)
  • [20:18:22] <arte> hrw: Do you think that is the issue?
  • [20:18:41] <arte> hrw: According to the thread they got the same problem with a 2A lab PSU
  • [20:18:42] <hrw> arte: do you power that hub at all? or just plugged it into BB?
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  • [20:18:51] <arte> hrw: Using a Hub
  • [20:19:09] <hrw> arte: powered hub or not powered one?
  • [20:19:16] <arte> hrw: Powered
  • [20:19:29] <hrw> then no idea. I would test other hub
  • [20:20:02] <arte> hrw: Ok, but it should work? Small files are ok but bigger files fails
  • [20:21:02] <cjp> hrw, crofton, bkero: thanks for ptr. I have /dev/kmem to hand. What's the format of usage? I'm just wanting to hunt around a little to check settings - take on the point that certain reads won't be helpful
  • [20:21:17] <b4car> Hi guys, we're looking to hire someone to work on integrating the beagleboard power management kernel branch with an automotive display system we are developing. Anyone here know anything about that?
  • [20:21:23] <hrw> arte: no idea sorry
  • [20:21:50] <arte> hrw: ok, thanks anyway
  • [20:21:51] <cjp> b4car: ds2 knows his onions.
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  • [20:22:20] <cjp> If you're not from England - then that's a positive recommendation :-)
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  • [20:22:35] <b4car> any idea how I can contact ds2?
  • [20:22:48] <cjp> you could try speaking to him on this channel ...
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  • [20:23:54] <b4car> very well, ds2 or anyone else who is knowledgable about beagleboard power manangement--we are interested in hiring someone to help us interface the beagleboard to an automotive display. We'd need some assistance with the PM kernel. Anyone interested?
  • [20:27:45] <florian> koen: Is it just me or does gnome-bluetooth Angstrom wants to have requires a newer GTK than the Angstrom fixed version?
  • [20:28:06] <hrw> florian: angstrom from .dev uses gtk 2.18 iirc
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  • [20:32:04] <florian> hrw: yes true, looks like latest update fixed it :)
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  • [20:54:13] <hrw> koen: 2.6.31 beaglebug + uboot patch soon
  • [20:56:58] <Crofton> I forgot my power supplies
  • [20:57:32] <hrw> Crofton: spend few $$ in local radioshack or how you call those electronic shops
  • [20:57:40] <Crofton> yeah
  • [20:57:51] <Crofton> Ettus has piles, just need to work out wiring
  • [20:57:55] <hrw> just do not forget soldering iron
  • [20:57:57] <Crofton> for this logicpd board
  • [20:57:59] <Crofton> hehe
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  • [21:03:37] <Crofton> mru, these guys are across the street
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  • [21:04:14] <hrw> bye
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  • [21:06:15] <mru> Crofton: what guys? was that meant for someone else?
  • [21:06:28] <Crofton> opentv.com
  • [21:06:35] <Crofton> doh
  • [21:06:38] <Crofton> www.opentv.com
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  • [21:10:37] <mru> Crofton: ah, the ex-competition
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  • [21:20:08] * ghoti wonders...
  • [21:20:26] <ghoti> Is it really all that useful to use ext3 on a memory-based disk?
  • [21:20:40] <_koen_1> are there non memory based disks?
  • [21:20:55] <_koen_1> and if so, are there something else than april fools pranks?
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  • [21:21:09] <ghoti> depends on your definition of memory, I suppose... I'm thinking of SD vs spinning platter...
  • [21:21:31] <ghoti> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat recommends ext3, but I'm wondering what benefit that would have over ext2.
  • [21:21:42] <_koen_1> journaling
  • [21:21:44] <ghoti> I mean, a journal just takes more CPU...
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  • [21:21:57] <prpplague> _koen_1: you get heartburn yet from the bar-b-q?
  • [21:22:05] <_koen_> prpplague: nope
  • [21:22:08] <ghoti> Is a journal useful in this scenario? I'd have thought it would just be a waste.
  • [21:23:23] <Kevin`> ghoti: the journal serves it's original purpose of repairing filesystem errors without a check every boot (well, every boot the system is unclenly shutdown)
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  • [21:24:02] <ghoti> Okay, speeding up the boot process is a valid reason I guess. :)
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  • [21:24:31] <Kevin`> it's true such a filesystem is not ideal for flash, but I don't think there's any better option available for flash that hides it's layout from the system like sd/cf/ssd
  • [21:24:54] <ghoti> I was thinking UFS2 with SoftUpdates would be good.
  • [21:25:04] <hyc> I've been sticking with reiserfs
  • [21:25:06] <ghoti> But the FreeBSD port to bgb isn't ready to go yet.
  • [21:25:57] <hyc> but I would have expected JFS to be pretty good for the purpose too
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  • [21:26:54] <ghoti> Is it possible to extend an ext2/ext3 filesystem into unused space on the device? I'm thinking it would be handy to make a small image that automatically grows itself to the size of the media it's dd'd onto.
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  • [21:27:41] <hyc> man resize2fs
  • [21:27:47] <hyc> ghoti: the short answer is yes
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  • [21:28:26] <DesktopMa> anyone know if palm is planning to do 3d on the pre soon? from what I heard even all of the gui is software rendered
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  • [21:29:38] <hyc> ghoti: but I'm not sure it's necessary to build this into the image. Just provide a wrapper script to dd the image onto media and take care of it in the script.
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  • [21:36:20] <_koen_> hyc: good morning!
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  • [21:39:14] <hagna> should it be possible to make a keyboard of my beagleboard?
  • [21:39:24] <hagna> a usb keyboard?
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  • [21:41:25] <hyc> hiya _koen_
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  • [21:42:39] <prpplague> hagna: not sure we understood your question, can you rephrase it with more details?
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  • [21:43:39] <prpplague> was there someone looking for a canadian zippy retailer?
  • [21:44:12] <hagna> prpplague: yeah, I want to make the beagleboard simulate a usb device like a keyboard or mouse to the host machine it is connected to
  • [21:45:12] <prpplague> hagna: you can develop any number of usb gadget devices, however currently there isn't a HID-gadget driver in the main kernel tree
  • [21:45:46] <prpplague> hagna: it has been suggested before, but no one has actually written one(or made it public)
  • [21:45:48] <hagna> prpplague: dang ok that's what I wanted to know
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  • [21:46:40] <prpplague> hagna: the usb gadget framework allows for emulation of many different types of USB devices, but you have to have the "driver" for that specific device written
  • [21:47:08] <prpplague> hagna: most common right now are storage(i.e. usb thumb drive), ethernet, and uart
  • [21:47:17] <_koen_> there's also the "userspace" gadget, where you can write a userspace lib to do that
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  • [21:47:32] <hagna> prpplague: ahh ok
  • [21:47:47] <prpplague> bah , who needs userspace
  • [21:47:52] <Crofton> mru, I'll get a photo of the opentv office across the street
  • [21:47:59] <hagna> well I've seen USB HID devices in embedded stuff maybe it's portable
  • [21:48:33] <_koen_> the ptp-gadget code is using that
  • [21:48:33] <_koen_> I forget the name of the kernel gadget to do that
  • [21:48:54] <hagna> prpplague: what the relevant dir in the kernel source?
  • [21:49:00] * mru doesn't care about opentv, not being paid to do so
  • [21:49:10] <ghoti> hyc, thanks, I'll look in to that.
  • [21:49:14] <mru> well, I guess I am for another month...
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  • [21:49:44] <Crofton> mru, for amusement
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  • [21:51:00] <prpplague> hagna: drivers/usb/gadget
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  • [21:54:30] <hagna> prpplague: ok is there a howto on writing an HID gadget for the kernel?
  • [21:54:34] <hagna> :)
  • [21:54:49] <prpplague> hagna: yep, its under the docs dir
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  • [22:12:09] <hyc> _koen_: how goes the patch merging... are you just merging into oe git, or submitting upstream?
  • [22:12:13] <sakoman> Crofton: welcome to the left coast!
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  • [22:13:52] <Crofton> thanks
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  • [22:23:30] <stephenbeattie> hi everyone, just wondering how easy it might be to set up the beagleboard as a touchscreen device. I'm a web developer with no hardware experience but have discovered that there is a port of Flash Lite for the beagle board and want to prototype something for a client. Will I run into major difficulties do you think?
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  • [22:56:00] <_koen_> hyc: merging into OE is the first step, and gregoire hasn't arrived yet :)
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  • [22:58:38] <hyc> ah...
  • [22:58:49] <hyc> yeah, I just asked him for his current kernel tree.
  • [22:59:01] <hyc> the last one he sent me still fails with the current rootfs
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  • [22:59:36] <_koen_> 6 o'clock, time to punch out
  • [22:59:47] <hyc> _koen_ ttyl
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  • [23:01:43] <djlewis_> later _koen_
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  • [23:18:27] <Crofton> sakoman, how does the lcd panel interface work on the overo?
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  • [23:19:21] <sakoman> Crofton: quite well ;-)
  • [23:19:27] <Crofton> er
  • [23:19:31] <sakoman> heh
  • [23:19:46] <Crofton> I mean like the pins come from the connector and the tobi ruotes them to a connector?
  • [23:19:51] <Crofton> no interface circuitry
  • [23:20:18] <ds2> Crofton: same as the Beagle
  • [23:20:22] <sakoman> right - there is a flex cable connector on the palo3 board
  • [23:20:28] <ds2> just a tiny bit more broken ;)
  • [23:20:38] <sakoman> palo43 that is
  • [23:20:56] <Crofton> I confuse all these board names
  • [23:21:04] <sakoman> and the board is sized so that the lcd can mount to the board with double stick foam tape
  • [23:21:13] <Crofton> yeah
  • [23:21:17] <Crofton> i remember that :)
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  • [23:22:16] <Crofton> which display does it work with?
  • [23:22:23] <sakoman> there's a new version they announced today: http://www.gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=237
  • [23:22:40] <sakoman> works with the samsung 4.3" display
  • [23:22:53] <sakoman> http://gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=195
  • [23:23:19] <Crofton> why the change?
  • [23:23:43] <sakoman> not a chnge, an addition (adds ethernet)
  • [23:23:57] <Crofton> ok
  • [23:24:00] <ds2> a faster stick ? ;)
  • [23:24:13] <ds2> quicker to get things off the tree
  • [23:24:19] <sakoman> if you look at the back view of the board you can see the flex connector
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  • [23:24:29] <Crofton> so the touchscreen support is only the connector
  • [23:24:36] <Crofton> no components?
  • [23:24:45] <ds2> Crofton: that LCD has the TS and the LCD on the same connector
  • [23:24:53] <sakoman> correct
  • [23:24:56] <Crofton> yeah
  • [23:25:06] <Crofton> just making sure no additional support parts
  • [23:25:17] <sakoman> you don't need anything other than COM, Palo43, and Smasung display
  • [23:25:31] <ds2> what's COM?
  • [23:25:47] <sakoman> what gumstix is now calling the mohterboard :-)
  • [23:25:53] <Crofton> computer on module
  • [23:26:33] <sakoman> there will be a 3.5" version "Real Soon Now"
  • [23:26:58] <sakoman> if you need smaller size and can live with 320x240
  • [23:27:02] <Crofton> 3.5" is a different display size?
  • [23:27:07] <sakoman> yes
  • [23:27:31] <sakoman> so the Palo35 board is smaller to, same mounting scheme
  • [23:28:07] <ds2> any chance they will make a Palo18 with a 640x480 or better res?
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  • [23:42:41] <koen> or a inky50 with a 5" e-ink?
  • [23:43:00] <ds2> koen: what's the interest with the e-ink?
  • [23:43:27] <_koen_> when I go on a trip books are taking up quite some space in my suitcase
  • [23:43:36] <_koen_> so I want an e-reader :)
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  • [23:43:53] <ds2> and you want to build it yourself?
  • [23:44:09] <_koen_> ideally not
  • [23:44:23] <ds2> isn't there one from Sony that runs Linux already?
  • [23:44:33] <_koen_> the new sony models suck
  • [23:44:56] <_koen_> the touchreen one isn't sunlight readable due to the ts reflecting the sun
  • [23:45:03] <ds2> oh hahahahahaha
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  • [23:45:14] <ds2> nice feature
  • [23:45:20] <_koen_> the non touchscreen one is smaller, but has problems with buggy software
  • [23:45:37] <_koen_> the new irex ones look nice, but lack epub support
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  • [23:45:55] <_koen_> (due to giving their firstborns to adobe for pdf-drm support)
  • [23:46:20] <_koen_> the kindle is evil and not available in europe
  • [23:46:39] <ds2> hmmm
  • [23:46:42] <_koen_> what's left is chinese clones which probably break after 3 weeks
  • [23:47:12] * _koen_ doesn't trust anything that's either pink or has "cooler" as name
  • [23:47:19] <ds2> 2 of which are in shipping? ;)
  • [23:48:04] <_koen_> omap is prolly overkill for an ereader
  • [23:48:12] <_koen_> an e-ink ereader that is
  • [23:48:32] <ds2> but aren't the eink folks still stuckup with not willing to sell paanels in small quantities without 4 limbs?
  • [23:48:43] <_koen_> I think so
  • [23:48:49] <hyc> sounds like a job for ovonics
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  • [23:48:57] <_koen_> the official e-ink(tm) devkit is like $5k
  • [23:49:05] <ds2> that's the gumstix thingie
  • [23:49:12] <ds2> or was the last I check
  • [23:49:36] <hyc> back in the 1980s they were showing off a flexible transparent non-volatile display. grayscale.
  • [23:49:37] <ds2> it is easy enough to build the HW if you can source the panels
  • [23:49:54] <_koen_> eink screen + gumstix earth + aluminium casing would be sweet
  • [23:50:08] <hyc> I've always liked the notion of the actual display panel being its own frame buffer
  • [23:50:31] <ds2> the update rate of the display is somewhat constraining
  • [23:50:43] <_koen_> maybe 3 buttons or so
  • [23:50:52] <_koen_> on/off, back, forward
  • [23:51:13] <_koen_> those ipod clickwheels should be pretty cheap by now
  • [23:51:19] <hyc> update rate? you don't need fast updates for an ebook
  • [23:51:41] <ds2> I had grander desires then just a ebook
  • [23:51:46] * _koen_ forgot "battery" in his list of demands
  • [23:52:29] <ds2> _koen_: isn't this early morning for you?
  • [23:52:32] <_koen_> ds2: irex has patent licenses to do smart updates, to make e.g. drawing lines with a stylus"real time"
  • [23:52:38] <_koen_> ds2: I'm in dallas
  • [23:53:04] <ds2> _koen_: ohhhhhh...
  • [23:53:11] <ds2> hit any armidilos yet?
  • [23:53:13] * _koen_ spots a proper usb connector on the chestnut 43
  • [23:53:37] <_koen_> ds2: nope, but I did lunch at a bbq place
  • [23:53:49] <_koen_> with the tincantools folks
  • [23:54:07] <ds2> _koen_: are you getting a 10gallon hat and cowboy boots ?
  • [23:54:47] <_koen_> I was thinking about a proper hat, but then I realized I can't fit it in my suitcase
  • [23:54:53] <_koen_> (ditto for boots)
  • [23:55:20] <_koen_> ehm
  • [23:55:22] <ds2> I see... screwed by the airlines again :)
  • [23:55:23] <_koen_> s/i/it/
  • [23:55:48] <_koen_> I won't fit in my suitcase either, but that wasn't what I wanted to say
  • [23:56:25] <_koen_> ds2: I decided to not give the airlines any chance to screw up, so I'm only bringing a carry-on suitcase
  • [23:56:37] * ds2 pictures koen in the suit case and a hat + boot occupying the seat
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