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[00:06:23] <HT_> Hi guys. Sorry for coming to this forum but I've been banging my head against the wall with 3 new RevC3 boards I just bought.
[00:07:40] <HT_> I'm can't seem to get the serial port to work. I've read all the documentation online and tried all the tests. But I can't believe I have 3 bad boards. The problem I have is I have serial TTY output but can't type any characters.
[00:08:21] <HT_> I've tried Linux PC, XP. Both have the same problem. I've tried swapping with a null modem cable and I just get garbage output.
[00:08:26] <HT_> any ideas?
[00:08:37] <drk||Razi> what baudrate you use ?
[00:08:47] <HT_> 115200
[00:08:53] <ojn> HT_: make sure hardware handshake is off in minicom
[00:09:18] <ojn> s/handshake/flow control/
[00:09:37] <HT_> I get good TTY output. No issues. Handshake is off in both Hyperterminal (XP) and Minicom (Linux/Ubuntu)
[00:09:45] <HT_> Just can't type any characters.
[00:10:13] <ojn> Ok. that's normally the problem when you can't send. If you're 100% sure flow control is off, then I don't know.
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[00:11:33] <HT_> argh! it's something real simple, I'm sure. Can't believe I got 3 bad boards from digikey.
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[00:13:10] <drk||Razi> you sure the pc serial port works well ? :p
[00:15:02] <HT_> yeah. I tried it on another embedded platform today. works fine. XP PC is good.
[00:15:18] <HT_> Linux PC is showing same problem.
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[00:22:02] <drk||Razi> well on windows i just use putty
[00:22:18] <drk||Razi> just set the baudrate, and it works
[00:22:30] <drk||Razi> duno, test your cables w/ a multimeter ?
[00:23:16] <HT_> yeah. The cables are good.
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[00:24:20] <drk||Razi> hum
[00:24:29] <HT_> 2 different PC HW platforms and 2 different OS. Neither work against 3 brand new boards.
[00:24:30] <drk||Razi> make them loopback
[00:24:32] <drk||Razi> and see if that works
[00:24:43] <drk||Razi> (short rx w/ tx)
[00:24:51] <HT_> Loopback test works with my PCs
[00:25:04] <HT_> no problems. characters echo just fine
[00:25:32] <drk||Razi> okaay
[00:25:49] <drk||Razi> you get serial output fine from the linux/whatever you boot ?
[00:25:58] <drk||Razi> does serial input work before botting the OS ?
[00:27:11] <HT_> serial input never works except when I loop back
[00:27:47] <drk||Razi> well duno then :p
[00:28:03] <mru> could be bad cable
[00:28:03] <HT_> If I try a null modem cable. I just get garbage characters but I do get echo garbage characters. :-)
[00:28:27] <mru> exactly how is the beagle connected to the pc?
[00:28:28] <drk||Razi> i use a revB board w/ a serial cable i hacked up myself :P
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[00:29:49] <HT_> PC USB <-> USB - DB9 <-> 10pin ribbon cable <-> Beagle board 10 pin connector
[00:30:00] <mru> *exactly*
[00:30:05] <mru> pin for pin
[00:30:40] <mru> how is that ribbon cable wired?
[00:31:06] <HT_> straight through
[00:31:25] <mru> what do you mean by that?
[00:31:40] <mru> there are 10 pins on one end and 9 on the other...
[00:31:46] <HT_> Hmmm...you're making me doubt myself. Let me check
[00:31:55] <mru> and how did you number the pins?
[00:32:00] <HT_> I would have said 1 to 1 , 2 to 2, etc.
[00:32:25] <mru> on the beagle, with the power input facing you, the pins are like this:
[00:32:41] <mru> 2 4 6 8 10
[00:32:46] <mru> 1 3 5 7 9
[00:33:15] <HT_> yeah. my connections look exactly like the HW spec
[00:34:03] <HT_> pin #10 is top right. My ribbon cable is keyed. i/e. pin 10 is keyed
[00:34:40] <mru> what you describe sounds exactly like a miswired idc-dsub cable together with a straight-through db9-db9 to the pc
[00:35:17] <drk||Razi> mru: well if loopback works, how can it be misswired ?
[00:35:33] <mru> HT_: where did you test the loopback?
[00:36:01] <mru> drk||Razi: it could "work" if he thinks the pins are numbered one way but reality differs
[00:36:05] <mru> we've seen this before
[00:36:14] <drk||Razi> unless gnd somehow manages to touch rx or smth
[00:37:11] <mru> once in a while someone wires the idc as if it were numbered row-wise instead of column-wise
[00:37:38] <HT_> hold on. I've got the old ammeter out. Let me run some continuity checks here.
[00:37:38] <mru> if this happens, what you think is pin 2 is really pin 3
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[00:38:07] <mru> if you then connect to a pc with a straight cable, you have beagle tx connected to pc rx
[00:38:27] <mru> and you can receive data from the beagle
[00:38:39] <drk||Razi> well i just hacked my cable til it worked :p
[00:38:50] <drk||Razi> then used some duct tape to hold it together :>
[00:38:50] <mru> sending won't work because your tx is tied firmly to the beagle's gnd
[00:41:42] <HT_> mru. I think you called it. I'm an idiot. Need to get out the soldering iron.
[00:41:57] <mru> it's an easy mistake to make
[00:42:03] <mru> as I said, we've seen it before
[00:42:56] <HT_> let me play around with this for a little bit and get back to you guys later. Thanks.
[00:44:22] <drk||Razi> good luck
[00:45:07] <HT_> I'll give a full report in a little bit.
[00:48:42] <HT_> success!!
[00:48:54] <HT_> Thanks for the help guys.
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[01:39:09] <djlewis> found an old Dallas DS5000 in the junk cabinet. might play with it ome this weekend.
[01:39:17] <djlewis> ome = some
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[01:55:24] <d3fernan> i know this is a beagleboard channel, but has anyone gotten openGL ES working on a gumstix board?
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[05:30:07] <tasslehoff> After I tried out a console image of Angstrom, X doesn't start in the demo image that worked before (on another SD card)
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[05:31:47] <tasslehoff> hm. it started up in the wrong tty
[05:35:51] <Meiz_n810> anyone here with a usb-broken beagle?
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[05:47:35] <ver> hi any one has any idea about led drivers?
[05:48:04] <tasslehoff> For Angstrom, should I only have to set the bootargs to the kernel? I have tried both 1024x728@60 and 1920x1080@24, but xrandr says I have 640x480
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[05:51:43] <siji> <tasslehoff>,u havent installed the omap drivers i think
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[05:53:36] <tasslehoff> siji: gah. that would be the same error I did when testing Ubuntu. and I believe you were the one that told me then as well ... :)
[05:54:40] <tasslehoff> siji: can I install them using the package manager?
[05:56:35] <tasslehoff> siji: the Package Manager says I have x86-video-omapfb installed. is that the drivers?
[05:57:33] <siji> tasslehoff>, i just downloaded the dep package
[05:57:38] <siji> and installed
[05:59:04] <siji> but bfre doing this u need to add patches in kernel, am talking abt ubuntu
[05:59:37] <tasslehoff> siji: I'm running Angstrom.
[06:01:08] <siji> ok
[06:01:32] <siji> <tasslehoff>, but i think the procedure may be same
[06:17:30] <tasslehoff> siji: it seems to me like it is already installed on the angstrom demo image
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[06:21:54] <siji> hve u tried lsmod
[06:22:41] <vijay> hi to all, i like to do project porting debian linux and developnig application on beagle board,so can you please tell me which boards are compatible for this?
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[06:25:54] <av500> a beagleboard maybe?
[06:26:43] <tasslehoff> anyone running angstrom one beagle with higher resolution than 640x480 that have bootargs to share?
[06:26:47] <tasslehoff> siji: I'll check
[06:27:19] <ver> hi any one has any idea about led drivers?
[06:27:23] <vijay> av500, i am new to beagleboard so is there different types of beagleboard like different processor?
[06:27:37] <adj> tasslehoff: setenv bootargs console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-16@60
[06:28:41] <tasslehoff> adj: thanks.
[06:28:49] <adj> tasslehoff, siji: if you are using pre-compiled angstrom images then there's no need to install any additional drivers to get display working properly
[06:30:02] <av500> ver: at the moment there is 1(one) :-)
[06:30:09] <av500> oosp
[06:30:14] <av500> vijay: : at the moment there is 1(one) :-)
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[06:31:26] <tasslehoff> adj: I've seen omapfb.mode, omapfb.video_mode, omapfb:mode and omapfb:video_mode :)
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[06:34:26] <adj> tasslehoff: things evolve pretty fast :)
[06:36:10] <ajay> av500, can you please give me link for that..
[06:36:47] <tasslehoff> adj: yep :). I believe you had the same args as me.
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[06:37:20] <av500> ajay: see channel topic...
[06:37:46] <adj> tasslehoff: the correct form for that parameter can be found at kernel documentation (Documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS).
[06:38:12] <tasslehoff> adj: thanks
[06:39:52] <gambler_> i'm trying to preview my webcam with mplayer
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[06:40:10] <gambler_> however i get this message "MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: decode_video"
[06:40:18] <tasslehoff> adj: ah. no. I was missing the dvi:: , and now it seems to be working :)
[06:40:25] <adj> great :)
[06:40:34] <gambler_> any solution for this??
[06:42:34] <av500> gambler_: google? ( http://www.google.com/search?q=MPlayer+interrupted+by+signal+4+in+module%3A+decode_video )
[06:43:13] <gambler_> i have try, but it say it it something related to altivec support
[06:43:24] <av500> nope, it also talks about arm:
[06:43:25] <av500> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.mplayer.devel/43613
[06:43:47] <av500> and it basically says that mplayer hit an illegal instruction
[06:44:24] <gambler_> ok, let me check this out
[06:44:36] <av500> I let you :-)
[06:46:22] <tasslehoff> I have a 1920x1080 display. What's the best format I can use there? Will the beagle handle 720p60?
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[06:47:05] <ajay> av500, are there any reference links for newbies to do porting linux in beagleboard?
[06:47:58] <siji> ajay,pls go through beagleboard.org
[06:48:14] <siji> u will get enough docs there
[06:48:35] <ajay> siji, av500 thanks..
[06:48:55] <siji> ajay,first u decide which OS u want to put in Beagle board
[06:49:13] <ajay> siji, debian
[06:49:22] <siji> ok
[06:49:36] <siji> ajay then u can follow ubuntu docs for it
[06:49:50] <tasslehoff> the 640x480 resolution also explains why I only saw a half of Big Buck Bunny yesterday :)
[06:50:21] <siji> ajay,i suggest u will start with either ubuntu or arngstrom
[06:50:41] <siji> afterwards u can mve to debian
[06:50:47] <ajay> siji ..why any specific reason?
[06:51:03] <av500> tasslehoff: u can download a 640x480 version too :-)
[06:51:04] <siji> cose all the kernel patches and tutorial are available
[06:52:01] <siji> ajay,http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
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[06:53:08] <ajay> siji similar wiki is available http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian for debain ..but what you say that is also correct
[06:53:21] <ajay> referance doc will be more
[06:54:05] <siji> ok
[06:55:59] <ajay> siji..but required patches for vanilla kernel are available at kernel.org?
[06:56:14] <ajay> if i compile latest kernel 2.6.31
[06:56:16] <ajay> ?
[06:56:23] <siji> ajay,omap is maintaining there own kernel
[06:56:26] <siji> i used that oen
[06:56:34] <siji> *their
[06:56:37] <siji> one
[06:56:56] <siji> ajay, am not sure abt latest kernel
[06:57:14] <siji> i just begin with ubuntu
[06:57:20] <ajay> siji: sorry i am new tio this,what is this omap?
[06:57:21] <siji> now am doing more experiments
[06:57:42] <siji> omap is the processor which's using in beagle board
[06:57:49] <siji> provided by TI
[06:57:56] <siji> texas instruments
[06:58:31] <ajay> siji : from where to get omaps latest kernel?
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[06:59:36] <siji> https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/omapkernel/wiki/?pagename=Getting+Stated+with+Linux+OMAP+Kernel
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[07:00:45] <adj> uhh... is there really any good reason to use kernel from there?
[07:01:02] <tasslehoff> should omapfbplay show me the framerate while playing?
[07:02:04] <siji> adj,for me?
[07:02:12] <siji> nothing more , can save time
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[07:02:42] <siji> if we are using any kernel frm kernel.rg
[07:02:43] <siji> org
[07:02:54] <siji> we need to add patches or hve to recompile it
[07:03:12] <adj> omapzoom kernel .27? in what ways is it better than any other option?
[07:03:53] <adj> why not go for angstrom kernel, all the patches you'll propably need
[07:04:23] <adj> or if you really need bleeding edge then from tmlinds repository from kernel.org
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[07:18:42] <koen> 2.6.31 for angstrom only has 48 patches to make it work :)
[07:19:43] <av500> so at what dotrev will it be 0?
[07:19:44] <adj> how big patches? :)
[07:20:42] <av500> adj: I guess a couple of meg each :-)
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[07:28:02] <koen> adj: 1.4MB in total, but that includes about 1.2MB of BMI support
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[07:49:13] <Beagle8> hi
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[07:49:33] <Beagle8> i'm new to irc
[07:50:12] <adj> so you are one of those who still has a life :)
[07:50:44] <Beagle8> :)
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[07:50:57] <Beagle8> i need help about beagle
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[07:51:26] <Animule> twelve pounds of cake and nobody to share with :\
[07:55:05] <adj> Beagle8: type in your questin. Maybe someone who knows will answer when they check their irc client
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[08:04:19] <Beagle8> i got kernel using: git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git linux-omap-2.6 and used the default config for beagle and compile. After I run the kernel, I plugged in usb hub to the usb host port but it did not detect the hub
[08:08:13] <Beagle8> anyone who can help me?
[08:11:42] <_koen_> use the angstrom kernel, that works
[08:14:47] <siji> _koen_,Beagle8, May not be
[08:14:52] <siji> i tried with both
[08:14:57] <siji> but failed
[08:19:31] <Beagle8> so how to solve this problem?
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[08:21:14] <_koen_> siji: I know it works, since I tried it on >10 beagles
[08:22:14] <siji> _koen_,ok
[08:22:40] <Beagle8> _koen_:which version have you tried?
[08:27:06] <_koen_> of kernel or beagle?
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[08:30:56] <Beagle8> kernel and beagle
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[08:32:32] <_koen_> A0, B6, C0, C1D, C3
[08:32:33] <adj> i cannot be very mistaken if i guess "all". And i mean all versions of angstrom kernel and all versions of beagle's
[08:32:49] <_koen_> and I'm currently using 2.6.29
[08:33:05] <_koen_> but I tried 2.6.31 yesterday and that looked pretty decent as well, but needs more testing
[08:33:20] * _koen_ spend 3 hours getting beagle support back into DSS2
[08:33:28] <Beagle8> my beagleboard is rev C and i'm using linux-omap-2.6.31
[08:34:31] <_koen_> like I said, I needed 48 patches to make .31 halfway decent
[08:35:46] <Beagle8> i'm not an expert, can you show me how to get latest angstrom source code and to apply patches?
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[08:39:39] <_koen_> follow http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and that will give you the basis to do that
[08:43:32] <ver> koen any documentation on led driver?
[08:43:56] <Beagle8> is there a way other than using oe?
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[08:44:51] <ver> or any one has any idea or any info about led drivers?
[08:48:59] <_koen_> ver: the led driver is like 4 lines of code, look in the Documention/ folder in the kernel tree for docs about the complete led subsystem
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[08:50:27] <ver> on beagle are we using backlight interface to led?
[08:51:06] <_koen_> no, leds-gpio
[08:51:53] <ver> ok
[08:52:43] <ver> files are in /driver/leds/ only right?
[08:52:50] <ant_work> _koen_: Angstrom wiki still links to the /unstable /unstable/autobuild dirs. Will these be populate in the future?
[08:53:55] <Beagle8> koen, we may not prefer to use open embedded, so may we know where to get the 48 patches? I dont really need all, only those related to usb host.
[08:55:04] <_koen_> ant_work: if machine mentors wish to do so, yes
[08:55:26] <_koen_> Beagle8: if you don't wish to use OE you're pretty much on your own
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[08:56:23] <Beagle8> when will the 2.6.32 be release?
[08:56:48] <ant_work> _koen_: wachine who? lol
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[08:59:32] <ver> _koen_: so instead of gpio if i want to use backlight interface than ?
[09:01:43] <XorA> _koen_: I think my ssh key is wrong to popular those directories these days :-)
[09:02:13] <_koen_> XorA: all ssh keys got moved over, so yours should still work
[09:02:31] <XorA> _koen_: I think its the pre debian fuckup all ssh keys one though
[09:02:38] <Beagle8> koen: if we use open embedded, are we free to add drivers and edit source codes on our local copy?
[09:02:57] <ant_work> _koen_: what about one single link to /unstable called 'Sources and testing images'
[09:04:09] <Beagle8> koen: and use the same commands from open embedded to build an image?
[09:04:14] <XorA> although my images are using cutting edge toolchain stuff :-)
[09:09:53] <_koen_> ant_work: how about pointing people to narcissus and have the people and angstrom-devel help fix bugs instead of moaning
[09:11:22] <ant_work> _koen_: I still see usefulness in the autobuilder images
[09:11:48] <ant_work> btw I'm moving the Narcissus link at #1
[09:12:08] <ant_work> (knowing the wiki is not soo visited ;)
[09:12:33] <Beagle8> Is there anyone who can help me find a solution to USB Host problem aside from using angstrom?
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[09:14:59] <Christos_N|Work> Beagle8: for alternatives to oe, there is a buildroot initiative, look here -> http://www.aptasys.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=33
[09:17:52] <jkridner|work1> good morning all.
[09:17:58] <ant_work> _koen_: http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/CompilingYourOwnCode
[09:18:02] <jkridner|work1> can I get some votes for contest winners today?
[09:20:56] <florian> hi jkridner|work1
[09:23:03] <_koen_> jkridner|work1: sure, I will look at it later today
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[09:25:12] <Beagle8> Christos_N|Work: I am able to build Linux-omap-kernel for beagle without using oe, my problem now is that my usb hub is not detected when plugged in USB Host port
[09:25:22] <tasslehoff> Is it possible to get omapfbplay to show framerate while playing?
[09:26:49] <av500> printf?
[09:28:48] <XorA> hmm, would be so nice to be able to squash the zoom2 kernel down to linux-omap and use same rootfs on both devices
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[09:34:52] <_koen_> tasslehoff: it prints framerate to the console
[09:35:30] <_koen_> XorA: same rootfs should already work, that's what I do when "bringing up" new TI boards
[09:36:13] <XorA> _koen_: MACHINE = omap3 would e cool though :-)
[09:39:07] <_koen_> XorA: sakoman is running the same uImage on overo and beagle
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[09:40:04] <XorA> _koen_: yeah for all devices with decent linux-omap support it shouldnt be an issue
[09:40:48] <_koen_> XorA: the only big problem I've encountered is different DEBUG_UARTs, so some board might lose serial console
[09:41:14] <XorA> _koen_: that should only be a problem for bootloader setup
[09:41:33] <XorA> _koen_: the DEBUG_LL uart is defined in the board.c file
[09:42:03] * _koen_ looks at the omap3evm where uboot and linux output to different ports
[09:42:36] <XorA> that would be a bug then
[09:42:53] <ver> are we using the back light for LCD also ?
[09:42:58] <ver> backlight interface?
[09:44:39] <_koen_> using the backlight class is a good idea
[09:44:53] <_koen_> I wish someone would push the omap pwm driver upstream
[09:45:26] <ver> hmm
[09:47:56] <ver> _keon_ : than how we are adjusting the brignrss of LCD & LED?
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[10:39:30] <jkridner|work1> _koen_: I've never gotten this Composite network driver working. I'm sure it works fine with Linux hosts, but there must be some work-around for Windows hosts.
[10:39:58] <jkridner|work1> I was given a kernel that has it hard coded and it is driving me nuts. I just want my comfortable g_ether driver again.
[10:40:19] <jkridner|work1> I don't have the kernel sources to rebuild it. :(
[10:40:33] <_koen_> jkridner|work1: in angstrom kernels all the gadget drivers are modules
[10:41:17] <mru> is possible to run nfs-root over g_ether?
[10:41:21] <mru> *it
[10:41:38] <jkridner|work1> I believe there was a blog post on that in the last several weeks.
[10:41:50] <_koen_> mru: it is
[10:41:52] <jkridner|work1> not sure if it was doing it as a module though...
[10:41:56] <jkridner|work1> would assume not.
[10:42:01] <mru> yeah
[10:42:05] <mru> static is fine by me
[10:42:13] <_koen_> jkridner|work1: try 'usb-gadget networking'
[10:42:25] <mru> nfs-root is just so darned convenient
[10:42:55] <_koen_> nfs-root makes people not notice the SD driver isn't working
[10:43:06] <_koen_> *cough* omap3evm 2.6.29 *cough*
[10:43:14] <mru> but with g_ether my fear is there will be some race condition between the pc configuring its end and the beagle trying to mount
[10:43:33] <mru> nfs-root saves the day when sd driver isn't working ;-)
[10:43:56] <_koen_> mru: nfs-over-g_ether worked fine 2 years ago on pxa 270 :)
[10:43:59] <av500> mru: so add a wait or so
[10:44:15] <jkridner|work1> _koen_: read all that... my issues are with kernel module loading. g_ether.ko doesn't show up in /lib/modules.
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[10:44:36] <mru> av500: yeah, rootdelay might do it
[10:44:50] <mru> assuming the pc reacts in a timely manner
[10:44:54] <jkridner|work1> and with Windows dealing with composite drivers.
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[10:45:54] <_koen_> jkridner|work1: yeah, windows is a pain
[10:46:23] <jkridner|work1> looking at http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/linux-usb/2009/1/24/4803014/thread now
[10:46:24] <_koen_> jkridner|work1: that's why all gadgets are modular in angstrom and you can set a preference in /etc/default/usb-gadget
[10:48:13] <jkridner|work1> where are the kernel modules kept? /lib/modules (I would assume)?
[10:49:25] <_koen_> yes
[10:49:32] <_koen_> /lib/modules/<kernel ver>/
[10:51:06] <jkridner|work1> k. don't know why 'opkg install kernel-modules' doesn't grab g_ether.ko.
[10:54:42] <jkridner|work1> ah, all the modules are broken out into their own packages.
[10:56:30] <jkridner|work1> argh.... kernel-module-g-ether isn't build for the beagleboard in the Angstrom repo. :(
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[10:59:23] <jkridner|work1> _koen_: I think http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo isn't lying. g_ether.ko isn't built.
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[11:13:34] <koen> jkridner|work1: not all machine feeds are indexed by the repo
[11:13:42] <koen> jkridner|work1: which machine are you looking at?
[11:14:03] <koen> jkridner|work1: if it's an angstrom machine you should be able to check /proc/config.gz
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[11:46:29] <Crofton|work> Today's nostalgia topic "Bubble Memory"
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[12:05:45] <_koen_> jkridner|work1: it looks like Robert is merging in the java bits you were after :)
[12:10:57] <jkridner|work1> cacao ended up working fine for me this time, whereas jamvm was dead. jamvm+classpath used to be in better shape.
[12:11:09] <jkridner|work1> Hopefully Robert's stuff will fix JamVM.
[12:11:24] <jkridner|work1> I can check config.gz.
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[13:53:51] <prpplague> _koen_: the doghouse prototypes just arrived!
[13:53:57] <av500> pics!
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[13:54:25] <av500> free samples!
[13:54:30] <prpplague> av500: gotta test them first
[13:54:40] <av500> I take a tested sample
[13:57:11] <_koen_> prpplague: yay!
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[13:58:58] <Zagrophyte> !
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[14:00:12] <Crofton|work> prpplague, we can't see if it works from the pics!
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[14:14:59] <prpplague> _koen_: well a few minor issues but over all looks good
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[14:50:21] <ver> hi
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[15:14:31] <_koen_> prpplague: that's good news!
[15:14:33] <_koen_> prpplague: any pics?
[15:22:03] <prpplague> _koen_: painting the case right now, since it is the generic white for SLS's
[15:24:49] <av500> damn, i wanted a white one
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[16:18:35] <Zagrophyte> Selective Laser Sintering, that sounds awesome
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[16:32:13] <prpplague> koen: ping
[16:32:18] <prpplague> koen: pictures are up - http://www.elinux.org/DogHouse
[16:33:58] <Zagrophyte> prpplague: nice
[16:34:27] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: thanks, probably go for production on tuesday or wed.
[16:34:44] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: they will be available for $30 through the TinCanTools website along with the zippy
[16:34:55] <Zagrophyte> cool
[16:35:54] <Zagrophyte> RE: Zippy, does it need any special drivers for the ethernet? Or is it drop-in? I'm having issues with my usb eth due to the EHCI issues on RevC, and was wondering if it would be any better.
[16:37:52] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: the support is already in the main OE tree, they were added about 3 weeks ago
[16:38:13] <Zagrophyte> ok great, that's mainly angstrom-only right?
[16:38:14] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: the current angstrom builds support the zippy
[16:38:34] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: yea mostly the angstrom, but no reason you couldnt use something else
[16:38:38] * Zagrophyte will have to suck it up and get used to e17
[16:38:43] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: all the drivers are part of the mainline kernel
[16:38:53] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: ??
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[16:39:08] <Zagrophyte> the gnome image I've been playing with lacks some drivers I'm used to in the OE build
[16:39:21] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: the enc28j60 driver has part of the mainline kernel since around 2.6.24
[16:39:51] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: ahh, well you should be able to add it in really easy
[16:39:56] <Zagrophyte> as a module?
[16:39:58] <Zagrophyte> or recompile
[16:41:21] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: you'd have to recompile the kernel to add support. how are you building your kernel currently?
[16:41:48] <Zagrophyte> I'm a major noob at the low level stuff, I haven't gotten to building my own kernels yet
[16:42:08] <Zagrophyte> using demo images for now
[16:42:28] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: ahh, the lastest demo images have all the support needed for the zippy
[16:42:39] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: no need to do anything
[16:42:40] <Zagrophyte> good to know
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[16:43:04] <Zagrophyte> the USB eth I have uses an ASIX chipset, and it doesn't seem to be supported everywhere
[16:43:35] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: surpport is available, just hard to find
[16:43:36] <Zagrophyte> plus the USB port dying out every so often, trying to wean myself off of it as much as possible, put VNC on there and use eth
[16:43:53] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: yea the enc28j60 is rock solid
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[16:52:04] <sakoman> Zagrophyte: what drivers would you like to see in the gnome image?
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[16:55:32] <Zagrophyte> sakoman: There's a 3-in-1 hub that is shipped from specialcomp.com, I could not get eth to come up on it in r9: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/DSCN0394.JPG
[16:56:02] <Zagrophyte> I even tried using gnome with OE kernel, but it just caused other compat issues (due to kernel version mismatch I think)
[16:56:20] <Zagrophyte> that one is the ASIX88something, let me get exact chip
[16:56:35] <Zagrophyte> AX88XXX
[16:57:09] <Zagrophyte> http://www.asix.com.tw/products.php?op=pItemdetail&PItemID=86%3B71%3B101 possible match
[16:58:32] <Zagrophyte> it's possible I was hitting some other issue that further complicated things, but lsusb confirmed it recognized it
[16:59:01] <koen> Zagrophyte: angstrom is a distro, o you're free to uninstalling e-wm and install something like metaciy, fluxbox, etc
[16:59:45] <Zagrophyte> koen: Thanks, I might try that next time I dive in
[16:59:55] <koen> prpplague: neat
[17:00:24] <koen> sakoman: I broke overo in OE's 2.6.31 with the ehci patches, but Ajay is looking at fixing it
[17:00:53] <koen> sakoman: Ajay has also been despairing how long it takes to get ehci fixes upstream
[17:01:04] <Zagrophyte> koen: Is that the patch that fixes usb dying until reboot?
[17:01:11] <sakoman> koen: indeed, it is slow
[17:01:32] <sakoman> but no worries, EHCI is working for me in 2.6.31
[17:01:47] <sakoman> I still need to track down the reboot segfault and then I will be happy
[17:02:47] <koen> Zagrophyte: no, it's make ehci behave better when using 2 ethernet adapters and a harddisk
[17:02:57] <Zagrophyte> koen: ah
[17:03:43] <sakoman> Zagrophyte: CONFIG_USB_NET_AX8817X=y is set in my build, so I don't know why it doesn't work for you
[17:03:57] <koen> sakoman: you might also have notices that dss2 lacks overo and beagle support nowadays
[17:04:15] <Zagrophyte> sakoman: hmm, weird
[17:04:19] <sakoman> koen: yeah, I noticed that a few weeks ago
[17:04:31] <koen> sakoman: tomba will merge it in once dss2 gets upstream
[17:04:43] <sakoman> I added patches for overo and some new panels
[17:05:11] <koen> I hacked beagle support back in yesterday
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[17:07:12] <sakoman> koen: it is a pain chasing multiple moving targets
[17:08:00] <sakoman> my dss2 for 2.6.31 will remain as it is. I'll start chasing again in 2.6.32
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[17:09:25] <sakoman> Zagrophyte: if you could send me the gnome image dmesg output related to your ethernet enumeration it might give me a clue
[17:11:08] <Zagrophyte> okay, do you have an email address I could send it to? I'll be on vacation next week, but I'll send it when I get back
[17:11:47] <Zagrophyte> reload the gnome image with matching bootloader, etc
[17:12:54] <Zagrophyte> that was my only real problem I had on the r9 image, otherwise was pretty stable
[17:13:34] <sakoman> Zagrophyte: I sent email addr via pm
[17:13:45] <sakoman> thanks for your help!
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[17:16:41] <Zagrophyte> thank you as well!
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[17:34:19] <koen> jkridner|work1: my vote is in
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[17:35:51] <jkridner|work1> koen: thanks!
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[17:39:49] <prpplague> jkridner|work1: http://www.elinux.org/DogHouse
[17:39:59] <prpplague> jkridner|work1: not going to be able to send one for ESC
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[18:09:43] <prpplague> pretty quiet today
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[18:42:25] <prpplague> http://www.elinux.org/DogHouse - feedback would be appreciated
[18:42:43] <_av500_> wrong color
[18:42:58] <prpplague> _av500_: what color would you prefer?
[18:43:06] <_av500_> :)
[18:44:12] <_av500_> plexi
[18:44:44] <prpplague> _av500_: ahh
[18:45:21] <_av500_> so u can pimp it with blue ledz :-)
[18:45:21] <prpplague> _av500_: well i have a pretty decent choice of the basic roy g biv stuff
[18:45:40] <_av500_> err?
[18:45:51] <_av500_> ah
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[18:45:55] <_av500_> no alpha :-)
[18:46:14] <prpplague> not for the cost i want
[18:52:33] <orbarron> hello: I'm trying to run beagleboard-demo-image but keep getting error on libsoup-2.4_2.27.91.bb.... Has anyone dealt with this issues?
[18:52:34] <Zagrophyte> black for me
[18:52:53] <Zagrophyte> or alternately white
[18:52:54] <orbarron> BTW: i would like to see that in black
[18:53:21] <Zagrophyte> but black would look nice
[18:54:18] <Zagrophyte> or red to match BB
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[18:59:46] <prpplague> hmm, ok black seems to be where most people are going
[19:00:29] <prpplague> Zagrophyte / orbarron the doghouse allows you to mount the beagle by iteself, but without the zippy the bottom connector holes are open
[19:00:57] <prpplague> Zagrophyte / orbarron how many people do you think will want the doghouse without the zippy?
[19:01:27] <Zagrophyte> prpplague: Depending on finances I may end up in this situation, I want the zippy but $30 is easier than $100 right now.
[19:01:59] <Zagrophyte> I have an alternate enclosure though, so I might wait until I can get both
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[19:02:53] <Zagrophyte> prpplague: Is it possible to make them break-out pieces of plastic?
[19:03:16] <Zagrophyte> then you have some removal, but you can customize it
[19:03:25] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: yea thats what i'm considering, you'd need to use a razor blade, but it would be fairly easy
[19:03:39] <Zagrophyte> yeah, I'm sure most people have an X-acto knife or something
[19:04:23] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: the other option is making a small board available with .1" prototype area and the connectors
[19:04:35] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: sell for around $25
[19:04:55] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: to go along with the doghouse if you aren't getting a zippy
[19:04:55] <Zagrophyte> oh, that might be good too
[19:05:21] <Zagrophyte> another idea that may or may not be feasible, is to have a way to just use one side with maybe a baseplate
[19:05:30] <Zagrophyte> but that messes up your clamshell mechanism
[19:06:06] <prpplague> Zagrophyte: yea that isn't an option with this design
[19:06:21] <Zagrophyte> yeah
[19:06:37] <orbarron> any ideas on the .bb issue? I try moving back one....
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[19:41:03] <bobkatzz> hey all
[19:41:33] <Meiz__n810> hi
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[19:44:30] <bobkatzz> BOY! do I feel dumb - it looks like the moniker "BeagleBrick" was in use for a while before I dubbed my venture the same - hmmmm wonder why nobody caught that since it seems that the team that did (Florian Boor et al) it are major contributors to OE :P
[19:45:07] <prpplague> bobkatzz: oh? who is doing beaglebrick?
[19:45:17] <prpplague> bobkatzz: http://www.elinux.org/DogHouse - feedback would be appreciated
[19:45:59] <bobkatzz> I thought I was but look at this dated March 2009 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ndevil/3426375160/
[19:46:38] <bobkatzz> guess I should have googled it - but it seemed so appropriate that it did not occur to me that it may have been in use - hmmm
[19:47:06] <prpplague> interesting
[19:47:15] <florian> heh, this photo looks familiar :)
[19:47:39] <bobkatzz> ok - new contest - name the Beagle_xxxx "A stand-alone ham radio station and communications tool"
[19:47:59] <bobkatzz> oh - hey florian - ti's one and the same!
[19:48:04] <bobkatzz> it's
[19:48:16] <rkirti> :D
[19:48:20] <bobkatzz> so are you officially using this tag?
[19:48:47] <florian> bobkatzz: not really active... :)
[19:49:00] <prpplague> florian: hehe
[19:49:58] <bobkatzz> cuz I've been bandying it about the airwaves as such - see here: http://www.rarcpio.net/beaglebrick/BeagleBrick.ppsx
[19:50:47] <bobkatzz> so could I like "assume" the use of that name (with all due credit to previous users?) :D
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[19:51:56] <bobkatzz> BTW - very kewl idea that you did there - almost like the ReactTable - did you ever see those youTube viseos?
[19:52:05] <bobkatzz> videos
[19:54:50] <bobkatzz> hey prpplague - pretty nifty doghouse (or dagHause as they say across the pond!)
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[19:56:57] <florian> bobkatzz: yes sure no problem from my side.
[19:57:19] <bobkatzz> great! thanks a lot - did you see the slides?
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[19:58:20] <bobkatzz> florian: your project looks really interesting
[19:58:58] <bobkatzz> a good name might be BeagleBeam ?
[19:59:10] <bobkatzz> (better google that first hehe)
[19:59:17] <florian> hehe
[20:00:35] <bobkatzz> I keep telling people that in a couple weeks of intense effort you could learn to send Morse Code almost as fast as you can type and then you don't need a keyboard - only a "Binary Input Device" or Iambic key
[20:01:01] <bobkatzz> but that's not so practical
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[20:01:36] <_av500_> you can leave hand in pocket while typing
[20:01:37] <bobkatzz> since we are all used to keyboards now - but there is no "QWERTY" on a morse key hehe
[20:02:05] <bobkatzz> yeah like the Hari Krishna's and their little bags we sued to see on the subway hehe
[20:02:11] <bobkatzz> used
[20:02:42] <bobkatzz> they were supposed to have beads in there I think :P
[20:03:13] <bobkatzz> you might attract some unwarranted attention though av500
[20:03:22] <bobkatzz> or _av500_
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[20:04:34] <bobkatzz> the Food Festival is kinda dead toady so I'm takin a breather at home for a while - made 100 lbs of rice into Pilaf last night - erhhhh!
[20:04:40] <bobkatzz> today
[20:05:06] <bobkatzz> that's 20 lbs of butter - mmmm mmm!
[20:05:11] <_av500_> bobkatzz: av500 in the city and _av500_ in the country...
[20:05:56] <bobkatzz> ah - ok - yeah I live in the county that thinks it's a city hehe
[20:07:03] <bobkatzz> Crofton|work did you see the LumenHaus (speaking of "Hauses") at Solar Decathalon? pretty kewl VATech entry
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[20:07:45] <bobkatzz> that's right about the time that koen is going to be here
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[20:11:20] <bobkatzz> prpplague: is the doghouse injction molded or vacuum-formed?
[20:11:27] <bobkatzz> injection
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[20:11:45] <prpplague> bobkatzz: the production version will be injection molded
[20:12:26] <bobkatzz> hmmmm - pretty expensive molds for those - have to have moving parts I think (going back to my classes at Pratt)
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[20:13:16] <bobkatzz> Crofton did you see the LumenHaus (speaking of "Hauses") at Solar Decathalon? pretty kewl VATech entry
[20:14:13] <Crofton> I've seen it ...
[20:14:43] <bobkatzz> prpplague: you might be able to blow mold it and then die cut it on 3 side so that it still has the hinge and opens
[20:15:04] <bobkatzz> I'd like to go see that house once they have it set up
[20:16:04] <bobkatzz> prpplague: that mold would be pretty inexpensive to make
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[20:16:18] <_av500_> I hope they dont need to run the flash demo in this house...
[20:16:43] <prpplague> bobkatzz: i am sorry i did not follow what you were saying
[20:16:46] <_av500_> they need to double the solar cells then....
[20:16:50] <bobkatzz> prpplague: but a moveable injection mold can cost in the nieghborhood of $15,000
[20:16:59] <bobkatzz> up to $100k
[20:17:26] <bobkatzz> unless there is something in production that is already using that mold
[20:17:26] <prpplague> bobkatzz: yea it can if you don't know what you are doing :) , if you do it right it is alot less
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[20:17:52] <bobkatzz> yeah lots of CNC machining
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[20:18:59] <prpplague> bobkatzz: yea, pretty familiar with it
[20:19:09] <bobkatzz> prpplague: I was saying that you could blow mould it and then die cut it on 3 sides so it would hinge
[20:19:21] <bobkatzz> would be much cheaper
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[20:19:40] <prpplague> bobkatzz: it isn't bad now
[20:19:48] <bobkatzz> very kewl though
[20:20:11] <bobkatzz> how did you make that one?
[20:21:12] <prpplague> bobkatzz: i had 5 SLS's made
[20:22:22] <bobkatzz> looks like you got it covered very well
[20:22:38] <prpplague> bobkatzz: hehe, not like it is my first project, hehe
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[20:24:24] <bobkatzz> Steroe Lithography has come a long way since it frist started - some guys wanted to set me up with a $250k machine back in 1991-2 and they would bring me modelmaking work and then I could sue it for my own projects
[20:24:57] <bobkatzz> <use> but then they decided that Richmond was not a hotbed of mfg hehe - duh!!!
[20:25:40] <_av500_> bobkatzz: it is for baklava
[20:25:58] <bobkatzz> There ya go! :P
[20:26:22] <bobkatzz> I see 4 pack of filo dough in the fridge neyahaha
[20:26:45] <bobkatzz> older son is here so I know she'll make some for him to take back to LA
[20:29:34] <bobkatzz> prpplague: what CAD program do you use for your designs?
[20:30:29] <prpplague> bobkatzz: solidworks
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[20:40:32] <koen> all my former mechanical engineering housemates were raving about solidworks
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[20:48:11] <prpplague> koen: it is pretty robust, has lots of addons you can get
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[21:11:03] <bobkatzz> prpplague: oh yeah I think you told me that before ;)
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[21:48:38] <Newbie_> I'm trying to follow the BeagleBoardUbuntu instructions and am not having any luck. I am just pulling the Demo Image down without bothering to compile.
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[21:49:22] <Newbie_> When I try to boot from MMC, I get the following output in the TTY - "Kernel panic - not syncing: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)
[21:49:40] <Newbie_> Bootloader seems OK.
[21:49:53] <Newbie_> just installation of ubuntu isn't working
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[21:50:24] <Newbie_> any ideas? I've tried the web procedure bunch of times. Same result
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[22:32:52] <prpplague_afk> jkridner|work1: did you get your zippy's ?
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