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  • [00:22:46] <djlewis> hi ds2
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  • [00:24:21] <djlewis> gm all, in the locak evening...
  • [00:24:26] <djlewis> local
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  • [00:27:34] <ds2> hey djlewis
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  • [00:34:37] <djlewis> while there is little or no wind, it looks like a freiking hurricane parked over us.
  • [00:40:39] <ds2> must be in the eye ;)
  • [00:41:19] <djlewis> yep, these clouds have been spinning overhead for several days now.
  • [00:41:33] <ds2> aren't you in tornado alley?
  • [00:41:42] <djlewis> Yep :(
  • [00:42:00] <djlewis> not quiet as bad as Kansas and Oklahoms.
  • [00:42:29] <ds2> I was from IL so... :D
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  • [06:06:48] <_av500_> gm all
  • [06:07:33] <_dash_> GM
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  • [07:04:19] <_koen_> good morning all
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  • [07:06:47] <tasslehoff> morning
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  • [07:08:22] <tasslehoff> Does any linux distros have audio input and s-video output working? This page http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/BeagleBoard (last modified in february) says OE does not have support for it
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  • [07:12:50] <eFfeM> hi _koen_, all
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  • [07:13:24] <eFfeM> does anyknow know how i can get rid of this ***** beagled program on my host?
  • [07:13:41] <eFfeM> don't know hwere I got it from keeps posting nagging eInfoChips messages
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  • [07:19:55] <_av500_> uninstall beagle?
  • [07:22:24] <eFfeM> ah ok i think i mixed up two things and the problem is not related to the beagle app, somehoe something got me confused
  • [07:22:28] <eFfeM> still too early :-)
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  • [07:23:52] <_av500_> eFfeM: same here
  • [07:24:10] <eFfeM> probably need to start making coffee ....
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  • [08:13:54] <XorA> morning
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  • [09:20:30] <Voker57> Hi
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  • [10:11:44] <_av500_> mru: ping
  • [10:12:19] <siji> hi all
  • [10:12:27] <siji> I got TI's omap sdk
  • [10:12:50] <siji> now i need to enable clutter with Opengl support
  • [10:12:56] <siji> how wil do that
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  • [10:14:05] <_av500_> ask TI? :)
  • [10:14:47] <mru> _av500_: pong
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  • [10:14:58] * mru 5
  • [10:15:29] <lipengwei> hi
  • [10:15:44] <siji> Texas Instrument
  • [10:16:21] <_av500_> mru: :) quick Q from me stupid, can I "mix" stuff linked with real softfp to something compiled with vfp using soft abi?
  • [10:17:19] <mru> you can mix any code that uses the same calling convention
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  • [10:17:34] <mru> so if you have softfloat and hardfloat code both built with softfloat calls, you can mix
  • [10:18:05] <_av500_> so i wonder why it fails...
  • [10:18:15] <mru> or put differently, -mfloat-abi=soft and -mfloat-abi=softfp are link-compatible
  • [10:18:27] <mru> time to break out the disassembler?
  • [10:18:38] <_av500_> mru: right
  • [10:19:23] <_av500_> dlopen something that was compile with pure softfp fails...
  • [10:20:12] <mru> fails how?
  • [10:20:24] <_av500_> file not found
  • [10:20:49] <_av500_> i dont have more info atm, was just trying to get an idea before i can prod the guy to "look harder"
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  • [10:29:32] <mru> _av500_: are you sure the error isn't caused by something else?
  • [10:29:39] <mru> like the file not existing or so
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  • [10:30:36] <_av500_> it exists
  • [10:30:53] <_av500_> and the error goes away if the dlopening part is compiled with pure soft too
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  • [10:32:19] <mru> _av500_: diff the output of readelf -Adh on the two fiels
  • [10:32:21] <mru> files
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  • [10:33:10] <_av500_> mru: will do that once back in the shop
  • [10:41:10] <Audio_Alsa> hai
  • [10:41:13] <Audio_Alsa> guys
  • [10:42:02] <Audio_Alsa> we are having alsa drivers for audio
  • [10:42:19] <Audio_Alsa> ?
  • [10:42:22] <Audio_Alsa> right?
  • [10:44:52] <_dash_> yes
  • [10:45:59] <Audio_Alsa> are we having any ADC driver in our beagle board kernel?using for any thing?
  • [10:46:23] <_dash_> Audio_Alsa: what do u want to do ?
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  • [10:49:23] <Audio_Alsa> I want to study whole audio alsa interface....
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  • [10:56:12] <XorA> Audio_Alsa: www.alsa-project.org
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  • [11:11:10] <mru> _av500_: so the cat is out of the bag: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/16/archos_phone/
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  • [11:40:39] <siji> anybody can help me to compile clutter with openGL support
  • [11:41:02] <siji> While trying am getting error like
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  • [11:43:00] <siji> checking EGL/egl.h usability... no
  • [11:43:01] <siji> checking EGL/egl.h presence... no
  • [11:43:01] <siji> checking for EGL/egl.h... no
  • [11:43:01] <siji> configure: error: Unable to locate required GLES headers
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  • [11:53:10] <_koen_> stupid C question:
  • [11:53:51] <_koen_> if (strcmp(root_device_name, "special") == 0), that if statement will return false if root_device_name is not "special", right?
  • [11:53:59] <Crofton|work> hahahahaha
  • [11:54:22] <Crofton|work> basically, the test passes if the strings are equal
  • [11:54:38] <Crofton|work> so the true case executes
  • [11:54:48] <_koen_> so strcomp returns zero on success?
  • [11:54:50] <Crofton|work> if the strings are different, the false path is taken
  • [11:54:55] <Crofton|work> correct!
  • [11:54:59] <_koen_> awesome!
  • [11:55:00] <_koen_> thanks
  • [11:55:08] <Crofton|work> yeah, that is a pretty common confusion at first
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  • [11:55:24] <Crofton|work> the classic error is leaving out the test for 0
  • [11:55:29] <Crofton|work> then it works backwards
  • [11:59:02] * _koen_ discovers that the SD card in the touchbook is only 6MiB/s
  • [11:59:12] <lcuk2> i always read == 0 checks in C as "the function returned no errors"
  • [11:59:22] <lcuk2> any other value indicates an error
  • [12:00:29] <_koen_> I read "true" as "1", so == 0 implies "false" to me
  • [12:00:38] <_koen_> (does it show that I'm not a programmer?)
  • [12:00:47] <Crofton> right :)
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  • [12:02:42] <leooo> hi there~
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  • [12:16:20] <tasslehoff> I tried downloading the unstable angstrom boot image and untar'ing it to my sd card. when I boot it gets to some sort of bootscreen with a white bar and a draw-circle-thingy, and nothing more seems to happen.
  • [12:17:16] <siji> <tasslehoff>,is that progress bar is mving ?
  • [12:17:46] <tasslehoff> siji: no, only thing happening is that the intensity of the white fields vary
  • [12:17:55] <_koen_> if the compass is pulsating, it's configuring packages
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  • [12:20:28] <tasslehoff> _koen_: ah. this is the "first boot takes a looooong time" ? :)
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  • [12:23:29] <_koen_> yes
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  • [12:33:17] <tasslehoff> It stopped pulsating a while ago, but the progress bar is not moving. More patience needed?
  • [12:34:17] <siji> <tasslehoff>, i think smthing is wrng
  • [12:38:14] <tasslehoff> siji: ok. maybe I should try the stable version instead
  • [12:38:33] <siji> have a look in syslog
  • [12:40:03] <tasslehoff> ** ECORE ERROR: Ecore Magic Check Failed!!!
  • [12:40:25] <tasslehoff> then something about naughty programmers and spanking :)
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  • [12:47:11] <siji> tasslehoff>, looks smthing related to X
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  • [12:49:25] <siji> <tasslehoff>, is your Mouse keyboard etc detected ??
  • [12:51:19] <tasslehoff> siji: I'm loading the stable version instead, I'll report back when I start it up
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  • [12:51:33] <siji> ok
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  • [12:59:42] <ldesnogu> dual core a9 at 2 GHz http://www.arm.com/news/25922.html
  • [12:59:52] <ldesnogu> sorry for the ad :-)
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  • [13:02:06] <tasslehoff> siji: hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc' : no such file or directory
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  • [13:03:32] <siji> <tasslehoff>, time is not set
  • [13:03:41] <siji> are u able to get the terminal window ?
  • [13:05:27] <tasslehoff> siji: no, it seems all dead
  • [13:06:40] <siji> try ctrl+Alt+f2
  • [13:08:10] <tasslehoff> siji: Please wait: booting...
  • [13:08:19] <siji> ok
  • [13:09:51] <tasslehoff> siji: that's what it says on screen :)
  • [13:10:17] <siji> :)
  • [13:12:47] <tasslehoff> siji: gotta run, gotta try to solve this tomorrow. thanks
  • [13:13:08] <siji> tasslehoff>, same here
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  • [13:13:23] <_av500_> ldesnogu: nice, when is the windows port available? :)
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  • [13:15:12] <ldesnogu> _av500_: you mean Xwindow? it's available :-)
  • [13:15:22] <_av500_> Ywindows?
  • [13:15:30] <ldesnogu> noone knows for sure what MS has in its bad
  • [13:15:32] <ldesnogu> bag*
  • [13:16:11] <jkridner|work> dirk2: finally put those articles you recommended in the RSS feed. should show up in a couple hours.
  • [13:16:19] <suihkulokki> ldesnogu: what's the expected time to market from pressrelease to starting deliveries of something like beagleboard? :)
  • [13:16:19] <muriani> There's a ReactOS port project for ARM, isn't there?
  • [13:16:23] <muriani> that would be odd.
  • [13:17:44] <ldesnogu> suihkulokki: if "like beagleboard" means low-price, then I'm afraid it will take some time
  • [13:17:55] <ldesnogu> if not, it will be earlier :-)
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  • [13:20:35] <suihkulokki> ldesnogu: not necessary as cheap as beagle, but something that can be bought by entering creditcard number in a website rather than "call our sales to discuss" :)
  • [13:21:08] <_av500_> suihkulokki: arm does not sell silicon
  • [13:21:19] <suihkulokki> I am aware
  • [13:21:50] <ldesnogu> you'll have to wait for more information from ARM customers
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  • [13:22:01] <_av500_> nor has it an influence on their customers sales policies ;)
  • [13:22:08] <_av500_> (I think)
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  • [13:51:27] <jkridner|work> just added 70 more people to the mailing list.... will be on the look-out for spam
  • [13:52:36] * mru starts taking bets on the next voltage to fry a beagle
  • [13:53:07] <_koen_> mru: 13V didn't kill mine :)
  • [13:53:20] <_koen_> it is a bit more flaky, though
  • [13:53:23] <mru> I though 12V was well-established to be lethal
  • [13:53:34] <mru> and 9V has been reported to cause smoke
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  • [13:54:41] <airman00> anyone use the BB on a robot or other embedded system?
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  • [13:58:07] <_av500_> airman00: yes, djlewis, online at us business hours
  • [13:58:22] <_av500_> (for the robot...)
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  • [14:06:02] <djlewis> gm from rainy southeast US
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  • [14:07:13] <mru> morning djlewis from sunny south england
  • [14:07:40] <djlewis> Hey, Hey....
  • [14:08:18] <suihkulokki> there is a sunny part in south england?
  • [14:08:29] <djlewis> I was wondering that too.
  • [14:09:32] <mru> today is sunny
  • [14:09:36] <mru> yesterday it was raining
  • [14:09:48] <djlewis> enjoy the moments mru :)
  • [14:10:00] <mru> it's hard when stuck in a boring office
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  • [14:15:23] <jkridner|work> any java experts in here today?
  • [14:15:42] <jkridner|work> the classpath in the Angstrom distribution seems to have a bug in it.
  • [14:15:44] * mru has some expert opinions on java
  • [14:15:56] <jkridner|work> I'm not sure how well it was tested.
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  • [14:16:54] <wayne_> afternoon, from sunny fife. What do I need to do to have a Angstrom based CC in OE folder. I thought there would be a bitbale recipe but I do not seem to be able to find one.
  • [14:17:20] <Crofton|work> wayne_, I'm not sure what you mean
  • [14:17:52] <Crofton|work> jkridner|work, ask in #oe
  • [14:18:10] <Crofton|work> not sure there are any java on beagle experts here :)
  • [14:18:50] <XorA> wayne_: fife as in Scotland?
  • [14:19:05] <wayne_> dito, I am looking at a blog entry that is discussing how to cross compile with an IDE using OE. It states that there is a CC The cross compiler will be located at $OE_HOME/tmp/armv7a/bin, but I figure I have to add it
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  • [14:19:37] <wayne_> http://tinyurl.com/n8fq6y
  • [14:20:18] <Crofton> look in tmp/cross I think
  • [14:20:56] <wayne_> hmm, no cross folder
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  • [14:22:24] <bobkatzz> gm
  • [14:22:32] <wayne_> the blog states that the compiler needs to be built using OE. I am assuming this takes place when I use git clone?
  • [14:22:40] <Crofton> no
  • [14:23:00] <Crofton> you need to do something like bitbake console-image so OE can build the cross compiler
  • [14:23:06] <bobkatzz> prpplague: ping
  • [14:24:12] <bobkatzz> Ah! <<That's>> what it's doing! :P
  • [14:24:13] <_koen_> jkridner|work: I keep poking the jalimo people to merge their overlay into OE, but no response of them yet
  • [14:24:16] <prpplague> bobkatzz: pong
  • [14:24:35] <bobkatzz> hey prpplague - see the Zippy board's coming out soon
  • [14:24:37] <_koen_> jkridner|work: you could bug the bug people about their setup
  • [14:24:58] <wayne_> Thats what I was thinking, i was trying to avoid building an image because of the time it takes. Thanks Crofton.
  • [14:24:58] <prpplague> jkridner|work: d00d the CBC package docs are full of incorrect information
  • [14:25:03] <XorA> thats a whole lot of bugging
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  • [14:25:08] <prpplague> bobkatzz: yea should be shipping on friday
  • [14:25:21] <bobkatzz> sorry I haven't followed up since our conversation but I assume you've been busy too, hehe
  • [14:25:35] <prpplague> bobkatzz: indeed, been swamped with a omap3525 board bringup
  • [14:25:37] <Crofton|work> wayne_, console-image builds fairly quickly
  • [14:25:44] <_koen_> XorA: I was working on a better pun, but gave up
  • [14:26:11] <XorA> _koen_: buzz the bug people
  • [14:26:17] <bobkatzz> got some ideas for an interface that would include hitting the appropriate pins on the BB, the SR6.3 and the I2C and bring them all together
  • [14:26:30] <bobkatzz> so = no wirse
  • [14:26:49] <bobkatzz> (unless some have to be shielded and not sure how to do that on a PC board
  • [14:26:53] <wayne_> Crofton|work: Off it goes...
  • [14:26:59] <bobkatzz> wires heh
  • [14:27:40] <prpplague> bobkatzz: oh yea? if you want to write up the idea and send it to danders@tincantools.com i can read over it as i have time
  • [14:28:03] <wayne_> By the way has anyone been trying to get on to directfb.org. Site has been down for a few days now
  • [14:28:08] <bobkatzz> sure - will do that - no rush right now
  • [14:28:23] <_koen_> wayne_: same problem here with directfb.org
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  • [14:30:04] <bobkatzz> I have 4 days of lugging 80lb pots of "fasulia" around at our Armenian Food Festival (koen - kufta! kufta!) - helping my wife's team in the kitchen so I'll be rather tied up during that
  • [14:30:24] <wayne_> at least I know its not a problem at this end then.
  • [14:31:29] <_koen_> bobkatzz: kufta!
  • [14:31:42] * _koen_ will make chicken chow mein today
  • [14:31:46] <bobkatzz> yeah
  • [14:31:54] <bobkatzz> that sounds good too
  • [14:32:43] <bobkatzz> koen have you had the square kufta baked in a pan with pine nuts (senne kufta)? it's Lebanese - real good
  • [14:33:18] <mru> wayne_: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/directfb.org
  • [14:33:18] <bobkatzz> usaully reallt dry though but my wife puts butter on hers - whoa!
  • [14:34:08] <bobkatzz> not something you want to eat everyday - colesterol-wise hehe
  • [14:34:31] * mru is immune to fat
  • [14:34:43] <mru> _koen_ can testify to that
  • [14:35:00] <bobkatzz> as long as you walk it's ok
  • [14:35:21] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [14:36:04] <jkridner|work> prpplague: *wrong* info?
  • [14:36:18] <bobkatzz> who's going to ESC?
  • [14:36:30] <jkridner|work> bobkatzz: I'll be there. :)
  • [14:36:41] <prpplague> jkridner|work: yea, the major one is the pbias_mmc1 and pbias_mmc1a connection information
  • [14:36:45] * mru can't go as usual
  • [14:36:45] <jkridner|work> prpplague: I'll e-mail you a contact of someone who can fix it.
  • [14:36:55] <prpplague> jkridner|work: thanks
  • [14:37:06] <bobkatzz> yeah - I saw that - I looked at trying to go but I'd have to leave Monday at 6PM and arrive at Back Bay at 7:45AM on Tues
  • [14:37:19] <bobkatzz> that's a long haul
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  • [14:38:14] <bobkatzz> thought my sons might want to come along and then we would drive since it would save us about $400 in fares - but no AC in the vehicle right now - so - pondering, pondering
  • [14:38:33] <djlewis> bobkatzz: use their car.
  • [14:38:59] <bobkatzz> haha - my older son's flying in from LA so that's not an option
  • [14:39:26] <bobkatzz> wouldn't mind going in his MR3 convertable though :P
  • [14:39:38] <djlewis> bobkatzz: go rent a hummer ;)
  • [14:39:54] <bobkatzz> yeah I actually though about renting a car too
  • [14:40:02] <djlewis> then there goes the $400.00 again.
  • [14:40:31] <edufelipe> Hi, there! What uImage and u-boot should I use with the Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2009.X-stable-20090612--beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 filesystem on Angstrom demo?
  • [14:40:37] <bobkatzz> not really - we got a Senata for an entire week in LA for like $185
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  • [14:40:45] <djlewis> I think you can seat maybe 4 people in a big ol Hummer.
  • [14:40:48] <bobkatzz> (my wife has miles!!!)
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  • [14:41:13] <bobkatzz> yeah if you have a large shoe horn, heheh - have you ever been in one of those?
  • [14:41:39] <djlewis> edufelipe: the r37's?
  • [14:41:40] <bobkatzz> it has the smallest interior of any vehicle
  • [14:42:16] <djlewis> bobkatzz: just for grins I looked in one at a dealership. I was agast at the thought.
  • [14:42:18] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: I thought the workshops looked really interesting
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  • [14:42:55] <bobkatzz> yeah eggreagious!!
  • [14:43:27] <djlewis> A real stupid wasteful vehicle for consumer use.
  • [14:43:47] <jkridner|work> bobkatzz: today is the last day to sign-up on-line.
  • [14:44:57] <bobkatzz> hmmm ok - will finalize my descision soon then - thanks for the heads up
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  • [14:46:01] <bobkatzz> the only real conflict is that my older son is here for a fews days and then his (girl) friend is coming next week - so lots to do :P
  • [14:46:16] <bobkatzz> and then that Food Festival intervenes
  • [14:46:54] <bobkatzz> I noticed that BB will not be at subsequent ESC's right? thought maybe I could get to one of those
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  • [14:47:20] <bobkatzz> so it's now or (not for a while)
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  • [14:53:50] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: YIKES! the ESC site is down!
  • [14:55:06] <bobkatzz> says down for maintenance
  • [14:56:12] <djlewis> oops, there goes you r chance to opt in for the door prise :P
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  • [14:57:08] <bobkatzz> should be back up soon they said (depending on their definition of soon)
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  • [14:57:21] <bobkatzz> and the doorprize is ?
  • [14:57:43] <djlewis> a hearty slap on the back for showing up
  • [14:58:07] <djlewis> just kidding man, I havent looked
  • [14:58:11] <bobkatzz> well hell's bells - hate to miss that
  • [14:58:24] <bobkatzz> another BB? :D
  • [14:59:07] <djlewis> yep, I need another to get across my stereo vision doodoo.
  • [14:59:36] <bobkatzz> oh that reminds me - will all the current development run on the "B" version of the BB?
  • [15:00:01] <bobkatzz> stereo vision - whoa
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  • [15:00:30] <bobkatzz> can we then wear funny glasses when viewing to see in 3D?? :P
  • [15:01:00] <djlewis> who ever placed 'mkcard.sh.txt' on 'http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/' got the permissions wrong.
  • [15:01:27] <djlewis> bobkatzz: works by stareing at it x-eyed :)
  • [15:02:22] <bobkatzz> like those posters where you stare off into space and then at the poster and you see a 3D image?
  • [15:02:32] <bobkatzz> I can do those
  • [15:02:36] <djlewis> not those squirrely yhings.
  • [15:02:42] <djlewis> things.
  • [15:02:48] <bobkatzz> my niece gave me a whole book of them
  • [15:03:45] <djlewis> in my experiments I can place the two images side by side and slightly cross the eyes until the image becomes one then I get that 'reach out and touch someone' sensation.
  • [15:04:04] <djlewis> not good for the head long term though :(
  • [15:05:24] <djlewis> ping XorA
  • [15:05:38] <eFfeM> re
  • [15:06:14] <djlewis> hmm, eFfeM - XorA?
  • [15:07:55] <djlewis> Oh name before ping..
  • [15:08:13] <djlewis> XorA: ping
  • [15:08:42] <djlewis> been working on my sonar algorithm too long..
  • [15:08:44] <XorA> djlewis: gnop
  • [15:09:02] <djlewis> gnop? working on it... hmmm.
  • [15:10:31] <djlewis> XorA: oh. so did you see my msg bout mkcard.sh.txt above?
  • [15:10:48] <koen> http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/16/arms-cortex-a9-beats-atom-n270-too-bad-its-not-2008/
  • [15:10:55] <djlewis> I am thinking it must be yours.
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  • [15:12:13] <XorA> djlewis: I didnt put it on a-o.org
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  • [15:12:35] <djlewis> Oh well.. thanks..
  • [15:12:53] <eFfeM> djlewis: just coincidence
  • [15:13:10] <XorA> I should just stick it in angstrom/contrib in OE
  • [15:13:27] <eFfeM> koen, thanks for the link
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  • [15:13:57] <djlewis> XorA: that wouldnt help the newbies.
  • [15:14:15] <eFfeM> hope A9 does not have usb issues
  • [15:14:20] <djlewis> I see the link to your site is on the wiki though.
  • [15:16:06] <djlewis> n ow, if only the newbie would read BeagleBoardBeginners first. I did :)
  • [15:16:27] <edufelipe> djlewis: Thanks! Do I need to put the kernel modules on the fs image, or they are already there?
  • [15:16:55] <djlewis> edufelipe: I copied them to the / and tar'd them there
  • [15:17:07] <djlewis> ext3 root
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  • [15:17:53] <edufelipe> djlewis: Ok. untar the modules on ext3 root.
  • [15:18:24] <djlewis> I think " to know the process is to understand the process' ;)
  • [15:18:25] <edufelipe> djlewis: Are you using that stable image? Does it boot properly?
  • [15:18:32] <djlewis> no docs on it I am aware of.
  • [15:18:58] <djlewis> I played with it just to see it work. It worked for me.
  • [15:19:57] <djlewis> edufelipe: it worked better after I installed the modules ;)
  • [15:20:16] <edufelipe> djlewis: I bet it did. Thanks!
  • [15:23:02] <djlewis> edufelipe: seems like a step by step 'README.1st' would be handy at DEMO.
  • [15:24:56] <edufelipe> djlewis: Indeed. Cause the README.txt is outdated. And I'm a newbie, so while the tutorials explained what to do with uImage and u-boot they never said what to do with modules. I was thinking I should put them on the FAT32 partition, not the ext3 root.
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  • [15:28:30] <djlewis> edufelipe: Yes, and the old mystery of where to get the MLO from. Keep using the old or.... many unanswered newbie questions.
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  • [15:42:51] <linuxpenguin> has anyone here had any experience with power management (APM) on the beagleboard?
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  • [15:46:36] <airman00> what kind of APM
  • [15:46:41] <airman00> regular 5V regs from DC?
  • [15:46:52] <airman00> or like swtiching on power supplies, etc.?
  • [15:47:34] <linuxpenguin> Well, like sleep mode...specifically reducing the current draw of the board during suspend to ram
  • [15:47:49] <linuxpenguin> I'm trying to get an idea of what the board draws while in suspend mode but I haven't been able to get the kernel compiled with APM support yet
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  • [15:56:45] <maelcum|konv> suspend to ram, could the beagle actually do that?
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  • [15:57:24] <maelcum|konv> it looks like something one would like to have in a phone/mobile device so it's not unlikely, but the question is if the rest of the hardware supports it.
  • [15:57:45] <maelcum|konv> rest == not the omap system-on-chip
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  • [16:03:47] <linuxpenguin> The hardware does support sleep mode--from the schematics I can see that the beagleboard was definitely designed with it in mind...I'm trying to integrate a beagleboard into a vehicle so I need the low power sleep while the vehicle is off to prevent draining the battery
  • [16:04:29] <maelcum|konv> hm... turning it off is not an option?
  • [16:05:11] <maelcum|konv> the latest recommended linux-omap-whatever branch's name ends with "-pm", so it looks like advanced power management is work in progress.
  • [16:05:53] <linuxpenguin> It would be, but we need it to start up in under 10 seconds since it tracks gas mileage (fuel burned) instantly once the vehicle turns on...Can I build the powermanagement branch from bitbake (open embedded)?
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  • [16:15:44] <gt1> Hi, I am working on Angstrom on Zoom2. I have been trying to load this on the LO kernel from the TI sync tree that has DSS2 support. I get some display errors. The UI doesn't load correctly, flickers few times and hangs. Has any one seen this behavior of Angstrom on any kernel with DSS2? But the same kernel works fine for Poky. Is anyone aware of how Poky and Angstrom handle the frame buffer. Any help appreciated!
  • [16:17:17] <djlewis> linuxpenguin: try http://markmail.org/message/5hvb4pery7js3zt5
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  • [16:19:04] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: is there a special code for your session for registration?
  • [16:19:15] <bobkatzz> the site's back up
  • [16:19:26] <ds2> morning
  • [16:19:51] <ds2> linuxpenguin: are you taking about APM or just power management in general?
  • [16:19:59] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: it's asking for a promotional code
  • [16:20:40] <djlewis> morning ds2
  • [16:20:47] <linuxpenguin> I was talking about APM specifically, like suspend to RAM
  • [16:21:06] <ds2> the normal PM interface can do suspend to RAM
  • [16:21:35] <ds2> that works but I tried it on a special tree not the stock L-O tree or even the K-O tree. Haven't tried the APM emulation interface
  • [16:21:56] <ds2> but then suspend is the easy part.... the wake up could get "interesting"
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  • [16:23:44] <djlewis> ds2: rain resolution, see my weather page for a example of the granularity.
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  • [16:26:18] <ds2> what's the URL?
  • [16:26:38] <djlewis> http://weather.djlewis.us/
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  • [16:32:01] <djlewis> the dim red line at the bottom right of the graphic.
  • [16:33:57] <djlewis> ds2: the detail was better before it rescaled itself from a 2" GRID EARLIER.
  • [16:34:04] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: ping
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  • [16:48:56] <jkridner|work> pong
  • [16:49:48] <ds2> djlewis: it is definitely better then what I get but I donno if it is wview doing it or the sensors
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  • [16:58:00] <djlewis> ds2: yep, could be software sampling/reporting.
  • [16:58:37] <djlewis> ds2: there are lots of links off the wview site you might compare your readings to.
  • [17:01:14] <ds2> djlewis: my issue is it shows dead zero when in reality if I walk outside and stand for more then 10minutes,I am soaking wet
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  • [17:04:52] <djlewis> ds2: the mist issue I dont know about. I think there might be more evaporation at some level causing poor reporting.
  • [17:05:35] <djlewis> mine doesn't seem to respond well to mist either, even in our heavy humidity.
  • [17:08:33] <ds2> I'd almost call it a light drizzle but I guess mist could be another description
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  • [17:09:10] <ds2> if I hold a cup out, I can see accumulation on it but maybe surface tension is preventing it from flowing down to the cup
  • [17:09:26] <bobkatzz> jkridner|work: ok - I'm signed up - all I have to do now is SHOW up :)
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  • [17:11:21] <bobkatzz> I have multiple modes of tranny to consider - including leaving today and doing full body prostrations all the way from here to Boston :P
  • [17:11:47] <bobkatzz> a pilgrimage of sorts ;)
  • [17:13:16] <ds2> bobkatzz: train?
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  • [17:22:19] * djlewis is heading off to the place of making income.
  • [17:22:42] <djlewis> bbl....
  • [17:31:57] <mru> my condolences
  • [17:33:09] <djlewis> you guys help me find a way to earn a good livin from home :)
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  • [17:35:23] <mru> I don't care whether it's from home or from some other place, as long as it isn't full of idiots
  • [17:38:32] * sakoman feels like he's in a room full of idiots even when he's alone :-(
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  • [17:40:23] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [17:40:27] <Crofton|work> I ahve that issue
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  • [17:53:07] <_koen_> sakoman__: don't login to IRC :)
  • [17:56:07] <ThomasEgi> _koen_, ... epic...
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  • [18:00:42] <noeska> i wonder how you deal with 'bloated' software on embedded hardware. E.g. even openoffice becomes larger every release.
  • [18:01:48] <ThomasEgi> noeska, +SD-card or -software
  • [18:02:05] <_koen_> since OOo needs 58934589 gigs of ram people just don't run it
  • [18:02:20] <ThomasEgi> there are others things
  • [18:02:26] <ThomasEgi> like abiword and simmilar
  • [18:02:55] <Zygo> noeska: "openoffice" + "beagleboard" = "funny" ;)
  • [18:03:22] <noeska> i had such an idea that would not be an ideal combination :-)
  • [18:05:02] <noeska> so abiword is an good wordprocessor. sqlite make a great database platform
  • [18:05:29] <noeska> so that leaves spreadsheet and presentations open for me ..
  • [18:06:03] <noeska> if only we could back to framework iv from ashton tate ...
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  • [18:06:38] <ldesnogu_> noeska, run an emulator :-)
  • [18:11:26] <_koen_> gnumeric is a decent spreadsheet app
  • [18:11:42] <_koen_> and latex-beamer is great for presentations :)
  • [18:12:02] <ds2> is gnumeric the emacs like spreadsheet?
  • [18:12:28] * maelcum praises latex-beamer: it looks classy
  • [18:13:01] <_koen_> ds2: no, it's the gnome one
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  • [18:17:09] <noeska> not exactly graphical editing with the latex-beamer ...
  • [18:18:11] <noeska> not good for last minute adding of sheets :-)
  • [18:19:15] <maelcum> i have, in fact, created slides in minutes and under time pressure with latex-beamer. but no images or fancy formatting were involved.
  • [18:20:06] <maelcum> actually "fancy" (read: terrible, ugly, messy) formatting is the biggest problem with slides that physicists make. they are generally horrible. powerpoint and friends kind of encourage that.
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  • [18:22:41] <noeska> maelcum: have you small diagrams with it?
  • [18:22:57] <noeska> you = you done
  • [18:25:48] <noeska> thank you for all the alternatives ... :-)
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  • [18:27:14] <djlewis> embedded inspires alternatives...
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  • [18:31:37] <ds2> embedded inspires a reality check
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  • [18:33:42] <Zygo> embedded inpires use of 10-year-old software (probably because a beagleboard is roughly equivalent to my high end Unix workstation of 10 years ago ;)
  • [18:34:13] <Zygo> or maybe 15
  • [18:35:57] <ds2> no, embedded requires working software. It is just in the last 10-15 years, software has been written to not work.
  • [18:36:02] <ds2> Examples - Firefox
  • [18:36:21] <mru> yeah, new software rarely does anything that 15 years old software couldn't do
  • [18:36:46] <mru> notable exceptions being things like h264 video
  • [18:36:50] <bkero> I'd think a beagle would be around a 700MHz P3, which would be 1999. So 10 years. :p
  • [18:37:02] <mru> the sheer complexity of that needs a faster cpu
  • [18:37:11] <bkero> Or hardware offloading
  • [18:37:24] <mru> we were talking about software...
  • [18:38:11] <bkero> ok
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  • [18:38:46] <bkero> I'd say embedded just requires not using bloated software. There's plenty of lightweight modern things.
  • [18:39:18] <djlewis> lightweight != modern
  • [18:39:18] <koen> mru: is your 'arm' branch still the best place for arm stuff, or should I track your master branch?
  • [18:39:44] <djlewis> leastwise not in the Microsloff world.
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  • [18:40:12] <ds2> MS is the worse
  • [18:40:25] <ds2> rather then fixing things, it is a pile of duct tape on duct tape
  • [18:40:47] <djlewis> wire, bondo, bandaids, duct tape...
  • [18:40:55] <djlewis> and painted over.
  • [18:41:01] <mru> koen: use master branch
  • [18:41:09] <koen> mru: thanks!
  • [18:41:29] <mru> use ffmpeg svn even
  • [18:41:34] <djlewis> takes 300MB of .net to run a c# hello world.
  • [18:41:57] <mru> my private 'master' branch may have temporary stuff I'm working on in it
  • [18:42:44] <mru> usually it gets pushed to svn within a few days
  • [18:42:49] <mru> or discarded...
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  • [18:43:54] <mru> I have a few more fft bits pending
  • [18:44:00] <mru> I hope to get them in this week
  • [18:49:00] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ping ping
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  • [20:27:34] <bkero> accel
  • [20:33:31] <bobkatzz> 5 bazillion flying ants!!!
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  • [20:33:48] <bobkatzz> invaded my otherwise peaceful and purposeful day :P
  • [20:35:21] <bobkatzz> got 'em licked and after a quick tour of the attic assertained that they were only on the outside of the domicile - thank St. Paddy!
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  • [21:27:04] <djlewis> mru is bored...
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  • [21:48:24] <ds2> wow quiet
  • [21:48:33] <mru> yeah
  • [21:49:59] <ds2> anyone know off hand if the touchbook has flash support?
  • [21:50:45] <mru> as in adobe flash?
  • [21:53:29] <ds2> yeah
  • [21:55:11] <mru> don't know
  • [21:55:18] <mru> don't really care either
  • [21:55:46] <ds2> i am trying to be fair and see how bad of an impact is flash on battery life on another platform
  • [21:55:57] <ds2> on the nokia n800, flash is a battery killer
  • [21:56:12] <mru> flash pegs the cpu
  • [21:56:17] <mru> of course it kills the battery
  • [21:56:26] <janneg> it's also a battery killer on x86 notebooks
  • [21:56:44] <ds2> that's part of being fair... I want to give it another change to prove it can do better
  • [21:56:58] <mru> it can't
  • [21:57:04] <mru> I have proof
  • [21:57:11] <ds2> as in source or?
  • [21:57:14] <mru> yep
  • [21:57:26] <mru> flashlite at least
  • [21:57:37] <mru> a credible source tells me the full thing is even worse
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  • [21:58:17] <ds2> oh
  • [21:58:42] <ds2> the other thing I was going to blame is firefox...
  • [21:58:55] <ds2> i hate plugins as it makes it easy to point fingers
  • [21:58:57] <mru> flash is just horrendously inefficiently written
  • [21:59:42] <janneg> ds2: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/info.htm mentions youtube support
  • [22:00:05] <mru> that could be using some flash clone
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  • [22:00:14] <mru> youtube isn't *that* hard to support
  • [22:00:58] <janneg> and further down for the 1.0 release "A full Adobe Flash solution"
  • [22:01:27] <mru> my solution to adobe flash involves a shotgun...
  • [22:01:43] <janneg> so it's probably one of the os reimplementations
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  • [22:04:49] <ds2> janneg: Hmmm
  • [22:06:26] <ds2> janneg: that's advertising... I wonder if the currently delivered unit has it
  • [22:06:51] <bkero> The touchbook doesn't have flash support.
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  • [22:07:28] <bkero> It *might* eventually. Right now it's using gnash 0.8.4.
  • [22:07:38] <ds2> Ahh
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  • [22:30:12] <brummik> Hi! Where do I find any info on upcoming hardware releases / plans ?
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  • [22:33:47] <Beagle7> .
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  • [22:42:33] <djlewis> while{rain... downpour,,, 5 min break... downpour...}do repeat
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  • [22:52:01] <djlewis> or would that be.. while clear { downpour(lots); pause (5000); } do
  • [22:52:49] <prpplague> zippy's are here, doing QC
  • [22:54:15] <florian> prpplague: which cms did you decide to use in the end?
  • [22:54:45] <prpplague> florian: ??
  • [22:54:57] <prpplague> florian: for which item?
  • [22:55:19] <florian> prpplague: for the business website
  • [22:56:05] <prpplague> florian: ahh, i just have generic stuff up at the momment, i've got a web guy doing the "official pages" , should be up first part of next week
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  • [22:56:34] <florian> prpplague: ah good
  • [22:56:45] <prpplague> florian: i've been working like a mad man on 4 omap3 board bringups, so the pages aren't complete: http://www.rad-tech-labs.com
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  • [22:57:04] <prpplague> bbiab
  • [22:57:06] <florian> prpplague: wow
  • [22:57:21] <prpplague> florian: wow to what part?
  • [22:57:22] <florian> prpplague: sounds like you are in business :)
  • [22:57:31] <prpplague> florian: hehe, trying to be
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  • [22:57:41] <florian> prpplague_afk: great
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  • [22:57:55] <prpplague_afk> florian: gotta run, the boss lady has errands for me, bbiab
  • [22:58:01] <florian> :-)
  • [22:58:06] <florian> prpplague_afk: cu
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  • [23:53:49] <legion`> would the beagleboard be an appropriate platform for an undergraduate digital signal processing class
  • [23:54:08] <legion`> or are the tools too convoluted atm
  • [23:54:30] <mru> is it a class on signal processing or dsp programming?
  • [23:55:01] <legion`> both
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  • [23:55:31] <legion`> we've already had classes in signal processing
  • [23:56:47] <legion`> our professor is evaluating new platforms for the class and i dont want to suggest something thats not ready
  • [23:57:03] <mru> my point is that if the primary goal is to study signal processing algorithms, there is no need to use a dsp
  • [23:57:43] <legion`> the point is to use a dsp we've done tons of matlab
  • [23:57:46] <legion`> in other courses
  • [23:57:49] <mru> otoh, if you're already familiar with signal processing concepts and algorithms, and want to study real-world implementations, the beagleboard could certainly be an option
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  • [23:58:55] <mru> throwing a beagleboard at someone who's never heard of an fft would probably result in him learning neither of them
  • [23:59:18] <ds2> throwing one might result in him never hearing anything else ;)
  • [23:59:24] <legion`> the point of the class seems to be to prove your design in a language like matlab, transform the difference equations and convolutions into c code and translating that x86 code into DSP code